True. But that was in 2019. When 9th Wonder was coming up people still believed only nerds used computers (little did they know). There was so much emphasis on street cred in the boom bap listening community that it applied even to producers - I mean, I remember people complaining when a rap track used synth samples because that isn't "real hip hop".
Exactly man. They think it was made only for beginners and commercial artists. Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, whatever can all do the exact same stuff as FL, it's just knowing how to do it.
That’s like geezers getting upset that we have smart phones now (that do pretty much anything) instead of rotary phones (which only make calls). Technology gets created and evolves in order to make our lives easier. Being upset that something is too easy and accessible is asinine.
@@vincegreene7031 This exactly. But with true understanding and appreciation of music, what it took to do those things in the past can still be respected. It’s crazy how much easier it has gotten to do things considered extremely complex back then.
@@gremwaveit’s not gon change tho ai isn’t even a human doing it, prior to this humans have been doing shit and innovating, nobody supports ai taking over most shit
There are no "better ways" at music production. You just do what works for you, and that's it. Only insecure people that lack basic self esteem have others dictate to them on how to express their creativity.
@@djdspence Please do, it's disheartening AF to see people not getting the best out of themselves because they feel strangled into doing "what's right".
Ive been using FL for 21 years now. The disrespect was so real back in the day. Hardware heads didn't even regard fl users as real producers. FL has come a long way. Glad to see it getting the respect it deserves.
fl revolutionized the game because you could've NEVER made beats as complex as they are today on hardware the skill floor to making a good modern beat is often underestimated
@@se7ense7ense7ense7ense7en honestly man trackers and 8bit samplers on 16bit computeres like the Amiga and Atari ST were the first to bust the whole budget computer bedroom producer thing open.. in the mid late 90s liike 96+ then trackers like Ft2 and Screamtracker as well as Sonic Foundry's Acid Pro on PC as well as early Cubase/Logic on Mac os9 were just as dope as modern daw software.. just (a lot) slower :)
@@se7ense7ense7ense7ense7en additionally there are things that the ASR-10 or EPS or MPC can do that cannot be done on computers (they are all computers but u know what i mean) no matter how hard u try. It's custom circuity designed by musicians for making music, so there are some tricks and magic in some of those machiens. The real issue is keeping them alive lol
I feel like the only reason people hated on fruity loops in the beginning (I started with FL3) was because of the people using the basic default sounds that came with the program, especially the drums. Not saying the default sounds were bad, but that you started to hear the exact same sounds on different tracks with no EQing or any other changes to them and this is what let to people knowing it was a FL beat immediately and hating.
I started with FL 3 as well. Remember Acid pro?😝..I still use Audacity 😂 I came from A drum Machine. I remember those days it wasn't til later when everyone started to adopt FL and Daws is when you got all the VSTS, Drum Packs, midi packs, etc. before that it was tough making beats with FL. You had to rely on sampling heavy, damn those were the good days.❤
@@sourdiesel681 lol yes, I started on ACID Pro then “CoolEdit” before it became Adobe Audition, now Reaper. They all function the same, as long as you have support for the most common filetypes of plug-ins you can do pretty much whatever you want in any DAW
The first fl studio I ever owned was fl studio 6 and since then I've produced for Killah Priest, Sunz of Man...Wu - Tang Affiliates. One of those songs I produced, is named Marked for Death. Mic Gutz feat. Killah Priest on youtube
Peoples opinions start to lose value when you realize the most outspoken haters usually hate so passionately because, deep down, they know they can't do what you did. Even tho it seems easy and you make it look easy. They would rather take the easy road and insult you rather than take time, energy and effort to study and learn. Because learning makes my tiny little chimp brain uncomfortable and we seek "ease and comfort" over everything else.
Dude I've had some whack/bad/cringe/ignorant rappers come at me sideways, but 2 stand out. 1) The dumbass was using GarageBand on his iPad and told me that FL Studio wasn't professional enough for him to work with. 2) some whack rapper came at me saying that producers aren't needed and are irrelevant. i said "ok to prove your point, link me the best song that you produced, wrote lyrics to, recorded, mixed and mastered" and he said "oh nah i cant thats too complicated" so i said "okay well to prove your point WRONG then, here's one of my records that i made alllll from scratch in 1 day" and linked him the song and he left me on read.
Well said idd and this is definitely the polite way to put it, but if ya'll are interested in another version go check out the outro on J. Cole's applying pressure 😆 Made me think of it instantly, matter of fact, give that whole album a listen if ya haven't already. Off-Season is giga underrated.
this is so beautiful! I love this message! something i always preach in my lives too. "what are you doing it for?" if it is for a quick gain, clout and status then it won't last long.
I have an MPC2500 and an ASR10 rack. My first machine was the MPC60. I still use the 2500 and ASR10 rack all the time, but sometimes i jump back just into ProTools and do all my work in PT. I actually find it faster using PT cuz I can edit and mix while making the beat. I get bored and jump back and forth. So ya use what makes it fun for u.
Funny story, 9th was a producer based in NC, and my father, who also sequences beats, had the pleasure of meeting him. They would become acquaintances and, according to my dad, 9th had actually stepped foot inside the house that I'm living in currently (I wouldn't know because I wasn't born yet). I'm glad that you mentioned Jay-Z's Black Album because I get the chance to show everyone some secret lore about 9th Wonder that I can assure no one knows. In 03', 9th was looking for a computer that he would use for beat making. My dad had offered one to him for free and they made the exchange at my house. 9th produced one singular beat on that computer and never used it again. The instrumental for "Threat" would end up on "The Black Album" by Jay-Z. When my dad met him after the album dropped and 9th gained his notoriety, he asked 9th, "So I guess you could say that you owe your career to me?" And 9th responded, "I guess you could say that." This story is so crazy even for me; I would've never believed my dad if he hadn't shown me a piece of paper with 9th Wonder's phone number on it.
From what I remember, Fruity Loops came out in the late ninties, right around the time of Napster. I feel like it was 1998/99 when we were hanging in a friends dorm room and somehow found it online. It was laughed at by everyone, and called "fruity", but I was in love with it. The drums even hit back then and it had such a unique amazing sound. The simplicity was addictive, but also why everyone clowned it. I guess production was supposed to be "hard to do" or it wasn't authentic. First time I heard 808s too, but didn't know it at the time. I used the demo version of it for the longest and couldn't save any of my work bc of this. So I found an audio ripper and would record my finished beats that way. Eventually cracked versions hit the scene. Unreal what it's evolved into now 20 yrs later. Love seeing the younger generation take it and run it up the way they have
True but remember back then Fruity Loops was really limited. Just a drum machine basically. It was pretty much a toy compared to what it is today. Like you I enjoyed using it to. What amazes me is I bought the producer edition way back when they first offered it which as you know comes with a lifetime of free updates. I bought it having no idea what a beast of a program it would grow into and how popular it would become in the future and to this day they still honor that and I'm able to download the newest version for free.
@@hostilesavage4299 Since you're old enough to remember using original FL then I have to assume you're an Adult. Why a grown man or woman would resort to name calling over something as innocuous as the comment I made is beyond me. Anyway I didn't say Fruity Loops was a toy. I said "It was pretty much a toy compared to what it is today." And I stand by that. I'm simply pointing out how much more advanced and capable the software has become.
@@hostilesavage4299 the original release was nothing more than a drum sequencer. It was a software kids toy until it started receiving upgrades to become a DAW
@@animbot6817 Indeed, I acquired it when it was merely a step sequencer. Originating from my 1990s experience composing music in Protracker, followed by DOS Impulse Tracker, I encountered FruityLoops around the end of '98. I found it exceptional for crafting drum patterns. Subsequently, I transitioned to Reason, which was groundbreaking in 2000; yet, I continued to utilize FruityLoops for rhythm composition. When the inaugural DAW version was released, I opted for purchase, enticed by the offer of ‘unlimited lifetime upgrades’ for merely 99 USD for the full edition-a preferable alternative to procuring Reason’s upgraded version for 349.99(499.99 for full no upgrade). My initial foray into using FruityLoops as a DAW was astounding; it fulfilled my long-standing desire to employ VSTs, which Reason did not support. Later, I became affiliated with the AiRISO cracking group. We were prolific in cracking numerous VSTs at that time, and I contributed to the team that devised the Cubase 5.5 hardware dongle emulator crack. Additionally, I composed the majority of the crack music for AiR releases from 2001 to 2007. I yearn for the bygone era of the internet. I still remember what the original image-line website looked like. Black background, with spinning CDs. They were selling 2 or 3 arcade games at the time too.
9th Wonder's production inspired me heavily I used to listen to his beats everyday "I see now" "The Sender" it's incredible what he did with FL and really pushed me to keep opening up a new project on FL and also sampling soul music, he chopped up the soul effortlessly and made it groovy, I noticed that he overused a certain snare which i have in my library and it's like one of those trick snares that fit on 90% of beats and also his basslines are phat, he revolutionized the game of FL beatmaking. Great video bro
I always tried to understand how the made his beats sound so phat and well-mixed. Until this day I couldn't figure out how his kick and bass sounds so perfect to each other. Its like the sits completely inside the bass.
That message x1000000. The breakdown and delivery of them people that "ain't go no friends" goes hard. I know everyone here can relate, no matter if its beats, vocals, video, photo, graphic design, you name it.
I used to get shit from my own homies for using reason while they were hardware snobs. I made so much more music than they did over the years and even made a little name for myself (Medl4) within the hip hop/beat making community, so the message of this video is very much appreciated.
Great message, you're absolutely right about the dudes who just want to feel bigger by making others small. A similar thing happens today with producers who use Splice versus producers who refuse to because it's "cheating". It's all about what you make and how it makes people feel. Splice and other sample resources are a tool and you can use it OR you don't have to. If you make things that people connect with, it really doesn't matter how you made them.
I remember those days. What's funny is 9th Wonder was also used as the justification FOR using Fruity Loops. His name came up a lot in a positive way, too. If 9th Wonder was using it, then it's absolutely legit. We owe a lot to him for being as strong as he was skilled. I always wanted to make beats, but was never able to afford an MPC. But I could afford a copy of Fruity Loops 3, which literally opened up a new world for myself and countless other people. Gotta show love to both 9th and FL. They helped pave the way.
I‘m 27 now. Started making beats on the MPC 500 because of J Dilla and Madlib.. I didn’t have the money so a 500 had to do.. I mastered the art of the drum machine after a couple years. Then i switched to FL studio for the „new“ sound as in, trap beats. It took me several more years to master Fruity. So either way you have to learn how to master the medium and learn how to put the „sauce“ on beats anyway. It’s an artform and difficult to get into either way. Love to all the beatmakers 4 real.
I started making music in FL when I was in 8th grade (it was back in 2018) and almost every time when I told people in my school that I make music on my computer, they would laugh at me. The reason for this was that they didn`t know anything about music production. They simply weren`t aware that DAWs exist and that most of today`s music is produced on computers. They had stereotype that to make music you need real instruments, expensive equipment and years of studying in musical school (I learned basic music theory by myself on the internet). So that`s why even school teachers were laughing at me while talking about how talanted was the girl from my class, that plays piano but doesn`t write her own songs. Of course not everyone was thinking that way, there were few people I was friends with, who just like me were trying different software to create something
I still use FL but I use MIDI keyboards and drum pads for my drums and melodies because it’s more fun to me than clicking in notes. For sampling I prefer the MPC because of the workflow and more performative feel of making music. I just bought an analog synth because I like turning knobs and fine tuning sounds, but I’m well aware I could’ve accomplished the mostly the same with my midi keyboard and stock FL synths. To me it’s about what’s fun.
@@swimdropsgems I got the MPK Mini mk3 and I use a custom program made by the UA-camr Al Be. I’d start with a MPK mini mk3 or mini plus. It’s a drum pad and keyboard all in one. Check out Al Be’s custom program to it basically turns FL into an MPC you can work everything from the controller.
I remember when Fruity Loops first dropped. Lots of cats were playing around with cracked versions in the early 2000s but no one took FL “producers” seriously back then. And even when 9th broke out and became well-known, I feel like his work still had a very noticeable FL vibe, if that makes sense (Jay-Z’s “Threat” is a perfect example of what I mean). I was *shocked* to learn, years later, that so many successful new producers were using FL. It’s something that was truly unimaginable in 2000, 2001.
yep. this is the exact comment i was looking for. everyone used to make fun of producers that used fruity loops back when i was in high school. people acted as if you weren’t serious about producing unless you used reason or something along those lines, smh. now EVERYONE uses FL & NO ONE uses Reason. oh, how the tides have turned 😂
His beats DID have the fruityloops "sound". Theres a specific type of sound that FL gave to drums, you could most easily hear it in the snares. You can hear it all over the early LB work. This is why everyone knew when he switched from FL to MPC.
I have far more respect for people like him than those who shoot their mouths off without creating. What those people complained about is what nearly every recording musician does now. Not only hip-hop, but elsewhere in music. Using amp sim and channel strip plugins instead of prohibitively expensive tube amps, big 4x12 cabinets, multiple mics, and huge desk consoles. Mini MIDI controllers instead of a vintage analog synth. People like setting up invisible barriers to creating music, and I'll always have respect for people that deliberately ignore them.
9th seriously deserves the world. He's able to make so much from so little, like he can use a simple sample loop for an entire beat and make it work like a fuckin genius. Super underrated.
doubling a single quarter note on someone else's genius performance is genius? Seems basic to me. Kind of reminds me of Vanilla Ice trying to explain how his "genius" contribution to Queen/Bowie's "Under Pressure" was doing a note repeat on one of the notes. These songs are successful because a talented musician wrote some amazing parts for it that would have sounded great whether including the minor alteration chops or played unaltered. .
@@AdamsOlympia Then why don't you go on and make a living by making beats better than 9th Wonder? I guarantee you have no music worth listening to yet you got so much to say about others talent. Lmfao
@@AdamsOlympialmao bums like you are hilarious. You can check old tweets from some of the greatest rappers dead or alive begging 9th wonder to make beats for him. Kendrick lamar for one. You got no idea what your talking about if you think what 9th wonder does is basic hahahaha. Otherwise why would you have rap talents like that literally begging that man for his beats he produces. Bruh
I think it was shocking to industry people who were used to big boards and studios. But what 9th did is par for the course for Indie Hip Hop, DIY approach. It’s like how people are making movies with phones for the past few years. You have nothing, you use what you have at your disposal and hopefully it works. Underground Hip Hop.
I can relate to this video just like many other producers who use FL. In the end, It’s all about what helps you create the best sounding music to you and your audience. Excellent video.
I'm from Durham, right up the street where he went to school at NCCU with Little Brother. I remember when Little Brother distinquished that new sample boom bap back pack but hard hitting edgy sound that 9th Wonder developed with his production techniques. Fruity Loops was the wave for our generation, it was hated on by the old heads back then and many still today, but a real producer can make magic with any DAW. The man makes the DAW, DAW doesn't make the man. Dope video, brought back memories.
Wow... this whole time I wasn't even aware that 9th Wonder produced on FL Studio, let alone started out with it and was able to normalize it. Funny enough I started out on FL but moved on to the MPC Live II (no particular reason, I just liked the workflow over FL's but I still use FL Studio of course; all depends on the mood, the beat I'm going for, what I wanna do, etc). I still see people like DJ Khaled hate on producers using FL Studio even in the 2020's because in his words "it's not beat making, it's telling the computer what to do" and it's such a damn shame.
I really like your take in this video I have a MPC but I can get the same feel in Fl studio with a midi keyboard and serato sample it’s not about what you use but finding what works best for you to make beats that sound good at the end of the day
I went from FL to an MPC and love it. Still doesn’t matter what you make your music on. My friend still uses FL 8 and makes 🔥. He makes the Wasp plugin sound like a really expensive hardware synth lol
Amazing video. I really like the end message. I make music using audacity which is free and i'm comfortable using it so i don't really take into consideration when people tell me to use other daws
He was hated because it was new. Same reason people used to hate on me when I was one of the first people messing with online dating. In the beginning, if you were on the original dating websites, you'd get laughed at. "You'll never find a woman online!" I used to get told! Next thing you know, my friends that talked shit, were suddenly ALL ONLINE trying to find women because I was bagging some hotties and they were struggling finding women at bars, clubs etc. Nobody likes when something new comes along until it's popularized by those that get hated on! Same thing when we went to CD's instead of tape cassettes. Same thing when we went to DVD's instead of VHS Tapes. I could share 100 other examples that are no different than why people originally hated on producers that relied on a computer!
It's the name of my Podcast. After years of producing hip hop I got tired of all the haters calling me cracker, honky, stealing black man's music etc. so rather than run away from the name, I chose to embrace it! For I... AM THE SUPER HONKY! Love your channel bro! :D @@NavieD
@Super "Nobody likes when something new comes along until it's popularized". And this is why I hate following crowds. There's many people out there who have a herd mentality. I would have called out your so called friends on their hypocrisy.
Just getting into FL and music making in general and I've already encountered the purists. Having professionals like you and 9th spreading this truth is great man.
It don't matter what you use, a dope beat is a dope beat. I just can't stand the copy and paste "producers" who take a pre-made melody loop and pre-made drum loops, slap them together and think they did something. Takes no skill, anybody can do that...
@Dice562 I used to do that when I first got into producing and you gotta have a musical eat to a certain regard so the loops you put together sound good, but starting loops helped me learn how to mix genres so now it's been really helpful and has improved my skills
In the early 90’s we had Atari ST and Commodore Amiga computers with software like Protracker or Soundtracker. Many hiphop and house artists used software to create music. Fruity Loops is just a newer version of that. It’s not about the tools, it’s what you do with them that counts … or sounds in this case.
As a guy who made beats on Cakewalk in 1995 on my PC... i NEVER understood the hate. I moved on to Reason, like it better than FL, but either way, both could be mastered and made amazing. These days I like Reaper, less than 49mbs to run it
I got nothing against DAW producers, what people dont understand is the different types of effort they put into beatmaking! Hardware producers use hands on crafting when beatmaking including sampling and chopping them up and used for sequencing while DAW producers use software where everything is done for them and the software helps them cut corners with making beats and sometimes the beats they make may sound too perfect almost like synthetic sounding!! My favorite producers I like that may use DAWs are Statik Seleckta, Apollo Brown, Jake One. Hardware producers I like are Alchemist, Premier, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Marco Polo, Jay Dee, DJ Muggs! The real talent in producing beats and instrumentals is with hardware SP-1200s, SP-404s, MPCs!!! Because of your work dynamics and actual craft on HANDS ON BEATMAKING!! The moment you use DAWs for beatmaking its very different from using your fingers on the pads of the actual beat machines/samplers and sequencers. With DAWs you are just clicking the mouse here and there dragging and dropping beats. Its a different feel of effort being put into it!! Whats the difference between a Serato DJ and a Real DJ? Serato DJs use software that imitates real turntable scratching a cheating method where it finds the area in a song and uses dummy vinyl to pick up signals from the song from a laptop or pc. While a real DJ finds the specific part of a song on real vinyl pressed music to mix or scratch!! Its ok to use DAW with beatmaking if you dont entirely use the DAW for beatmaking IMO!! FL Studio, Studio One, Ableton are there to help with beats and designing synth sounds, effects, and other added features to your beats!!
The accuracy of this video is incredible! Quick story: When I started making beats in 2004, FL was brand new to most hiphop producers. Old school heads talked so much trash about the program(fruity loops was the og name before Kellogg said hold up lol, all of those puns included, yeah those 😢). Long story short, anyone making beats before 2005 on FL was considered a kid and not looked at as serious. Soulja Boy would come and shut up the haters. However, what people don’t credit is that DFB and D4L made the program popular before Soulja did. Coming on 20 years of beat production now, boy has times changed. (Edit, watch this: I still make beats on FL 6! Yes, all of my beats are made on FL 6 20 years later. The program is powerful enough to compete in changing times, it’s just a matter of knowing how to do it in an old school sense.)
4:20 People also seem to forget the MIXING and MASTERING process. You could recreate that beat using the exact same hardware but an engineer will know how go make those drums pop, while not compromising the quality of the sound.
Navie D makes the best educational project of its kind! I’ve been watching you for several years, almost from the very beginning, it’s nice to watch how you grow and experiment with the formats of your educational show, you do a good job and inspire a lot of people!
I started on Fruity Loops in like 2001, I used it for many, many years and love it to this day although I prefer other DAWs at this point. I dabble in FL occasionally though. That said, I always thought 9ths beats were lazy. I thought his snare was weird and a cheap imitation of Primo's snare. His beats were simple and the sound lacked a certain depth. When I saw how he treated the rest of little brother, it just made my perception of him worse. Ultimately, you can make bangers on Fruity Loops, and 9th definitely has a bunch of bangers, but unfortunately, he made a lot of mediocre lazy beats on a software that made his beats sound thin and real producers picked up on that. It wasn't just haters or traditionalist snobs. Anyway, great video as always Navie.
This happens in many manners of the creative game. Appreciate the clarity and the demonstrations. "It's all about the tools" In reality, it's about the work. Putting in the WORK. And using whatever tools you have to do the best work possible. Great vid man. 🖤
I started on hardware, then over time I found myself in pc software. About 2 years ago I moved back to mpc. I'm making music faster now, I use my ears more and concentrate less on the screen. For me workflow and getting an idea down fast is king. I'm back on pc though for the master. It's really about what works for the individual.
yo that is fucking crazy this guy i know has like 50k worth of studio shit but he dont do shit just like u said he got no friends and he tried to shit on me for using fl studio its crazy how you are so right with these types of people
The thing i like the most about software is how quick and easy you can go through things like chop a sample and things like that. Just drag and drop, stretch, etc. Using hardware is cool, but it's a pain to spend a lot preparing all to just realize the sample doesn't work as you may think. Have absolute no hate to the people who do the opposite thing, well instead i may admire their patience.
I made beats on FL back in the early 2000s. It was super shit on by default. I used to get the "you made that in Fruity loops?!". Like people didn't even want to believe that it had a sampler so you could load your own sounds and VSTs and connect it to keyboards and sound modules and play it with a MIDI controller. "Fruity" being in the title didn't help it any but the "loops" part made a lot of people think it was just MTV Music Generator and all you could do with is mix and match premade loops. The sounds that came with it were pretty cheesy though.
He inspired me to make beats with FL Studio about twenty years ago. Nothing came of it because I didn't pursue it, but I made some decent stuff and had a lot of fun. I still make a beat every once in a while.
When I started making beats at around 05 using FL Studio, I remember lots of people saying that I should get an MPC or at least some other daw like Pro Tools. So when I heard that 9th Wonder uses FL Studio I knew that I don't need to worry about those remarks.
Great video! I've been making beats for longer than I want to say starting out with two HD VCR machines and a 4 second sample time to work with! Using the VCRs to overdub my tracks because they had CD quality sound that didn't degrade very much. Use what you have and can afford and be creative with it. You might just develop a new sound just by having to do some crazy work-around.
Navie D Man I liked Your Version better than the Hardware You are a Genius when it comes to Emulations been throwing out the word out there to boost your subscribers and audience! Happy New Year 2023 and much Love! Keep doing what You do!
I too! was a Fruity Loops basher... just because of the name and so were a lot of people, haha. I would brag that I used REASON... only to ditch it for Ableton LIVE... REASON sounded so "rich". I still have version 6.5.3 and rewire it to LIVE 11. They say LIVE 11 doesn't support rewire but... it does... you have to edit the "options.txt" file an viola! Rewire reappears. So I still use THOR / Combinators / KONG and all that.
i'm 41, ive been making beats since 1998, I actually started on computer software called impulse tracker then moved to the mpc. I actually respected 9th for making his beats on fl studio because I was a fan of his beats and impressed
Maaaan. FL2 demo was my launching pad. When 9th took off with it, and Murs said "9th you made these beats on fruity loops!?" I was proud AF, like, the path was on point. Peace.
The phenomena you described applies to all crafts. Many people rather spend time picking the best tools rather than actually creating something. And although the best producers usually have amazing tools, we know that they can create something amazing using a $500 laptop with $50 software
I started making beats wayback with the computer > the first Cubase 1 on a Atari computer with a synthesizer via midi.. Than I started with FL for a short while and than Reason 1 , then 2, 3 4 5 6 7 8 and now still working on Reason 9 and Cubase 9. Haters will hate, thats their job in life :)
it does not matter what DAW or What production tool (be it hardware or software) you use, whether a track sounds professional, catchy and placement worthy depends upon the producer using the tool. It's the producer who can either make his track a hit or a flop
I find MPCs and most other standalone hardware far easier than FL. I found it counter intuitive to the way I produce. FL is far more advanced these days than when 9th Wonder started using it, it simply wasn’t fashionable back then and was seen as a bit of a toy program, like GarageBand.
in Poland (and probably most of European states that were broke) people would make beats on their PCs even back in 1990. the exampli gratia of this is the band Kaliber 44, which started their career 'officially' in 1994, but their main producer would use a Commodore PC and a piece of software even few years back and few years forward. See, that's the difference, in USA you could afford a beat machine if you saved for some time, and here, if you had a piece of electonic hardware back in the 90's, you'd be either very lucky or really, really rich, cuz that stuff's pricy.
@@NavieD I think so, but I'm pretty sure they're private property of the families. the guy I mentioned in my initial comment (producer from Kaliber 44) unalived himself in 2000. but these old 80's and 90's PCs of popular brands, like Amiga, Commodore, etc. are still available to buy in some places. I think finding a DAW for it would be more difficult, feel free to research:)
Great video. That's it, use whatever you're comfortable with and keep going. This type of hate usually comes from a place of envy, and music means much more than that. Don't fall for it
While people were busy hating, 9th Wonder was busy putting in work making beats. To be honest, the fact that 9th Wonder used FL Studio actually gave me inspiration to work more on my beats. I don't make beats for a long time now, but I never thought software was a downside, but I also didn't produce in early 2000s so I'm not influenced by hardware. I was just amazed that I used this same tool that someone whose music I liked also used. It just showed me that I don't need thousands of dollars of equipment to make music.
Some of the best beats I ever made I made on a wave editor in 1996. I had one with a feature called “paste mix”, I would get a calculator and work out how far to space hi hats, then I would alter the volume of my sample and paste mix the chops over the hats. Then I’d add kicks and snares over the top of that. I’d save the loops as different files and then copy and paste them in a the order I wanted them. My PC had tiny memory and hard disk so all the loops had to be 22khz, 8bit which gave them a very raw quality. Years later I got FL and hardware samplers, I never captured that rawness. I didn’t understand it was the limitations that made the sound. Particularly for FL there were too many options, everything I did sounded overworked. Less is more, especially for hiphop.
I remember a musician giving me grief because i recorded and produced using a DAW and VSTs, called himself a musical genius He quit music out of highschool, but I’m still mixing and mastering tracks with and for my buddies, learning something new every time and I never stopped having fun with it!
@@NavieD there’s literally no need for two SP1200’s, or multiple vintage MPC’s to be plugged up and on a desk. One SP404 with batteries can do the same thing, and a lot more! 🤣
dude 9th is that guy. Love him and his music. I rememeber searching him up and so many weirdos were like 'he's trash, he uses one drum sound, he is generic'' crazy. He stands out imo, I always know it's him when I hear it and I also hear his influence EVERYWHERE.
oh for sure haha when I make my own for fun It gotta have that head bump or it isnt right lol good rappers and good beats are like trains and tracks. I can leave some 9th on and Dilla while cleaning too and get too much done in the house haha@@BLOXKAFELLARECORDS
My knock on 9th is that he rarely switches his drums.You CAN tell a 9th beat.I NEVER repeat the SAME drums.The challenge is finding fresh drums and there's MILLIONS of drum samples.I prefer ALCHEMIST,DILLA,MADLIB,ILL MIND,BEATMINERS, ODDISEE.Nothing wrong with a "signature sound"though.
I was using Sound Forge and Acid Pro since about 1998. I remember once I started meeting with labels in 2006 I was embarrassed to go into the studio with my computer to make beats lol.
Acid Pro 2.0 was my shit!! Frfr. In high school, I was gifted a cracked version of Reason "to upgrade" and just lost interest with it. My friend swore by it, though.
Fruity loops got hate because it was like a sin to use computers to make music instead of instruments, yet some people don't realize some of the early sounds of hip hop came from artificial sounds and synthesizers, such as Zapp and Roger (Autotune started with Zapp and not T-Pain). Now most music is made via software on a computer so it's normalized. Samples and mixing were the early days and evolved on computers.
It's not just the hardware guys that are elitist. I got questioned on several occasions while opening FL to record people in the studio instead of Pro Tools. It's always some old head producer that's trying to sell me on Pro Tools too, I think their understanding of technology and technique is as outdated as the beats they make.
What an informative video man, I really loved the enormous work on your videos, always that I watch a video from yours I ended obtaining great knowledge to keep becoming a great producer and a authentic artist, thank you for that. Peace and health to you man 🙏🏻
If I ever gon make it with music, Im gon come back to this video because I started doing beats watching ur tutorial for the basics. Love your videos, hopefully you will do collab with Karim Benzema one day
I remember using FL Studio when it was still called Fruity Loops 4, and I chose it along with Adobe Audition 1.5 because it was the most affordable way to start recording. I still use Adobe Audition today because I'm very familiar with it and use it to edit some audio. Back in the day, I always felt like I wasn’t a 'real' producer because when people asked what I used for recording and I said FL Studio and Adobe, they’d look at me like I was dumb or amateur. It might have been my own insecurity, who knows. A few years later, I got a copy of Pro Tools and was hugely disappointed. I remember thinking, 'This is what everyone is using?' It seemed so counterintuitive compared to FL Studio. Even though FL Studio couldn’t record audio at the time (which is why I used the Adobe combo), I could program drums and patterns in FL and then import them into Adobe for recording. I tried other DAWs like Cubase, Cakewalk, and Sony Acid, but nothing felt as intuitive as FL Studio. Around 2008-2010, I noticed people producing hits in FL Studio, and the rap community started respecting it. Now, FL Studio is incredibly powerful, and I’m glad I stuck with it.
Maaan. I learned to make beats on that music generator! I graduated to a daw on my pc and have put out bangers. I tried FL but didn’t like it. The final product is what matters.
tbh I started with an EMU SP1200, turntable and Cubase VST (yep with that special red plugin key, I still have it). Over the years I bought into software like FL Studio and the I incorporated hardware and software (as plugins) to create. I included Logic and subbed FL in as a plugin and when MPC went to Soft Tech I used that as well with my Renaissance. I've cooked with Pro tools with My MPC live and still use a bit of everything today. There have been days where I use nothing but my synth and just play in to my DAW. I guess what I am saying is use what you know. It is beautiful anyway you do it. And P.S. Don't delete what you don't like, someone always will find their sound, even if you think it is not your preference.
Madlib produced Freddie Gibbs' whole album on an iPad... and he said it best: "If it sounds good, that's all that matters"
Neither of us are Madlib tho 😅
@@TK_Type2and we never will be lol Just do u
@@gaboon7777 your response just emphasizes my point
@@TK_Type2 but are you trying to sound just like Madlib or have your own sound ?
True. But that was in 2019. When 9th Wonder was coming up people still believed only nerds used computers (little did they know). There was so much emphasis on street cred in the boom bap listening community that it applied even to producers - I mean, I remember people complaining when a rap track used synth samples because that isn't "real hip hop".
FL gets hated on so much in general because people say it’s too easy and accessible but they’re horribly underestimating the power of FL.
Exactly man. They think it was made only for beginners and commercial artists. Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, whatever can all do the exact same stuff as FL, it's just knowing how to do it.
That’s like geezers getting upset that we have smart phones now (that do pretty much anything) instead of rotary phones (which only make calls). Technology gets created and evolves in order to make our lives easier. Being upset that something is too easy and accessible is asinine.
No cap 💯
people who are mediocre producers don't want the world to know how easy it is to make a mediocre beat.
@@vincegreene7031 This exactly. But with true understanding and appreciation of music, what it took to do those things in the past can still be respected. It’s crazy how much easier it has gotten to do things considered extremely complex back then.
They always hate the first person who goes against the traditional ways, then 10 years later they are all doing it too.
i have a feeling music production using AI will be hated on for about 10 years too
People are fickle
@@gremwaveit’s not gon change tho ai isn’t even a human doing it, prior to this humans have been doing shit and innovating, nobody supports ai taking over most shit
It because people fear the unknown
@@kwaaaySee?
There are no "better ways" at music production. You just do what works for you, and that's it. Only insecure people that lack basic self esteem have others dictate to them on how to express their creativity.
What you just said should be a quote for all music producers and artists alike. Im stealing it
#Respectfully
Truth.
💪🏽 That is so true. I have my own process of making music and it works so i stick with it. My newest upload is HERE.
@@djdspence Please do, it's disheartening AF to see people not getting the best out of themselves because they feel strangled into doing "what's right".
Your process is your process. I hate on no one that craft's a great process.
Ive been using FL for 21 years now. The disrespect was so real back in the day. Hardware heads didn't even regard fl users as real producers. FL has come a long way. Glad to see it getting the respect it deserves.
fl revolutionized the game because you could've NEVER made beats as complex as they are today on hardware
the skill floor to making a good modern beat is often underestimated
@@se7ense7ense7ense7ense7en honestly man trackers and 8bit samplers on 16bit computeres like the Amiga and Atari ST were the first to bust the whole budget computer bedroom producer thing open.. in the mid late 90s liike 96+ then trackers like Ft2 and Screamtracker as well as Sonic Foundry's Acid Pro on PC as well as early Cubase/Logic on Mac os9 were just as dope as modern daw software.. just (a lot) slower :)
@@se7ense7ense7ense7ense7en additionally there are things that the ASR-10 or EPS or MPC can do that cannot be done on computers (they are all computers but u know what i mean) no matter how hard u try. It's custom circuity designed by musicians for making music, so there are some tricks and magic in some of those machiens. The real issue is keeping them alive lol
@@lolguy-x9n ai can't truly capture the essense of what you're making music for though, just like another person than you cant.
@@lolguy-x9n? What ai are you talking about
I feel like the only reason people hated on fruity loops in the beginning (I started with FL3) was because of the people using the basic default sounds that came with the program, especially the drums. Not saying the default sounds were bad, but that you started to hear the exact same sounds on different tracks with no EQing or any other changes to them and this is what let to people knowing it was a FL beat immediately and hating.
LOL exactly.
I started with FL 3 as well. Remember Acid pro?😝..I still use Audacity 😂
I came from A drum Machine. I remember those days it wasn't til later when everyone started to adopt FL and Daws is when you got all the VSTS, Drum Packs, midi packs, etc. before that it was tough making beats with FL. You had to rely on sampling heavy, damn those were the good days.❤
@@sourdiesel681 lol yes, I started on ACID Pro then “CoolEdit” before it became Adobe Audition, now Reaper. They all function the same, as long as you have support for the most common filetypes of plug-ins you can do pretty much whatever you want in any DAW
@@sourdiesel681 Yeah I used FL for making some loops and then acid pro for my sequencing ☺
The first fl studio I ever owned was fl studio 6 and since then I've produced for Killah Priest, Sunz of Man...Wu - Tang Affiliates. One of those songs I produced, is named Marked for Death. Mic Gutz feat. Killah Priest on youtube
Peoples opinions start to lose value when you realize the most outspoken haters usually hate so passionately because, deep down, they know they can't do what you did. Even tho it seems easy and you make it look easy. They would rather take the easy road and insult you rather than take time, energy and effort to study and learn. Because learning makes my tiny little chimp brain uncomfortable and we seek "ease and comfort" over everything else.
Great comment here!
Well said!
Dude I've had some whack/bad/cringe/ignorant rappers come at me sideways, but 2 stand out. 1) The dumbass was using GarageBand on his iPad and told me that FL Studio wasn't professional enough for him to work with.
2) some whack rapper came at me saying that producers aren't needed and are irrelevant. i said "ok to prove your point, link me the best song that you produced, wrote lyrics to, recorded, mixed and mastered" and he said "oh nah i cant thats too complicated" so i said "okay well to prove your point WRONG then, here's one of my records that i made alllll from scratch in 1 day" and linked him the song and he left me on read.
Well said idd and this is definitely the polite way to put it, but if ya'll are interested in another version go check out the outro on J. Cole's applying pressure 😆 Made me think of it instantly, matter of fact, give that whole album a listen if ya haven't already. Off-Season is giga underrated.
it's demons taking over their bodies full of envy of something they haven't got and wished they had
this is so beautiful! I love this message! something i always preach in my lives too. "what are you doing it for?" if it is for a quick gain, clout and status then it won't last long.
Absolutely! Good to see you btw Sunny
haha whats good Sunni.
small f'in world!! let's go!!! @@Trevor7
Don't let the bastards grind you down. Do what works for you.
I agree 💯
I have an MPC2500 and an ASR10 rack. My first machine was the MPC60. I still use the 2500 and ASR10 rack all the time, but sometimes i jump back just into ProTools and do all my work in PT. I actually find it faster using PT cuz I can edit and mix while making the beat. I get bored and jump back and forth. So ya use what makes it fun for u.
Great attitude to have
REAL TALK
Funny story, 9th was a producer based in NC, and my father, who also sequences beats, had the pleasure of meeting him. They would become acquaintances and, according to my dad, 9th had actually stepped foot inside the house that I'm living in currently (I wouldn't know because I wasn't born yet). I'm glad that you mentioned Jay-Z's Black Album because I get the chance to show everyone some secret lore about 9th Wonder that I can assure no one knows. In 03', 9th was looking for a computer that he would use for beat making. My dad had offered one to him for free and they made the exchange at my house. 9th produced one singular beat on that computer and never used it again. The instrumental for "Threat" would end up on "The Black Album" by Jay-Z. When my dad met him after the album dropped and 9th gained his notoriety, he asked 9th, "So I guess you could say that you owe your career to me?" And 9th responded, "I guess you could say that." This story is so crazy even for me; I would've never believed my dad if he hadn't shown me a piece of paper with 9th Wonder's phone number on it.
You love bragging about a story you weren't really born to be apart of...yet so confident it's true.
You from Durham? I’m from Durham.
how is this is a funny story?,....
@@SBG_ArsenyBruv you gotta realize these famous people are actual people that interact with other people, and these other people use the internet
its just funny how small the world is i guess@@jorgepadilla9945
From what I remember, Fruity Loops came out in the late ninties, right around the time of Napster. I feel like it was 1998/99 when we were hanging in a friends dorm room and somehow found it online. It was laughed at by everyone, and called "fruity", but I was in love with it. The drums even hit back then and it had such a unique amazing sound. The simplicity was addictive, but also why everyone clowned it. I guess production was supposed to be "hard to do" or it wasn't authentic. First time I heard 808s too, but didn't know it at the time. I used the demo version of it for the longest and couldn't save any of my work bc of this. So I found an audio ripper and would record my finished beats that way. Eventually cracked versions hit the scene. Unreal what it's evolved into now 20 yrs later. Love seeing the younger generation take it and run it up the way they have
True but remember back then Fruity Loops was really limited. Just a drum machine basically. It was pretty much a toy compared to what it is today. Like you I enjoyed using it to. What amazes me is I bought the producer edition way back when they first offered it which as you know comes with a lifetime of free updates. I bought it having no idea what a beast of a program it would grow into and how popular it would become in the future and to this day they still honor that and I'm able to download the newest version for free.
@@hostilesavage4299 Since you're old enough to remember using original FL then I have to assume you're an Adult. Why a grown man or woman would resort to name calling over something as innocuous as the comment I made is beyond me. Anyway I didn't say Fruity Loops was a toy. I said "It was pretty much a toy compared to what it is today." And I stand by that. I'm simply pointing out how much more advanced and capable the software has become.
@@hostilesavage4299 the original release was nothing more than a drum sequencer. It was a software kids toy until it started receiving upgrades to become a DAW
@@animbot6817 Indeed, I acquired it when it was merely a step sequencer. Originating from my 1990s experience composing music in Protracker, followed by DOS Impulse Tracker, I encountered FruityLoops around the end of '98. I found it exceptional for crafting drum patterns. Subsequently, I transitioned to Reason, which was groundbreaking in 2000; yet, I continued to utilize FruityLoops for rhythm composition. When the inaugural DAW version was released, I opted for purchase, enticed by the offer of ‘unlimited lifetime upgrades’ for merely 99 USD for the full edition-a preferable alternative to procuring Reason’s upgraded version for 349.99(499.99 for full no upgrade). My initial foray into using FruityLoops as a DAW was astounding; it fulfilled my long-standing desire to employ VSTs, which Reason did not support. Later, I became affiliated with the AiRISO cracking group. We were prolific in cracking numerous VSTs at that time, and I contributed to the team that devised the Cubase 5.5 hardware dongle emulator crack. Additionally, I composed the majority of the crack music for AiR releases from 2001 to 2007. I yearn for the bygone era of the internet.
I still remember what the original image-line website looked like. Black background, with spinning CDs. They were selling 2 or 3 arcade games at the time too.
I had a demo version of 5 but I just exported my Beat as a MP3 file when I was done to save it. My very 1st version of FL was 3.2
9th Wonder's production inspired me heavily I used to listen to his beats everyday "I see now" "The Sender" it's incredible what he did with FL and really pushed me to keep opening up a new project on FL and also sampling soul music, he chopped up the soul effortlessly and made it groovy, I noticed that he overused a certain snare which i have in my library and it's like one of those trick snares that fit on 90% of beats and also his basslines are phat, he revolutionized the game of FL beatmaking.
Great video bro
Them crunchy snares
I always tried to understand how the made his beats sound so phat and well-mixed. Until this day I couldn't figure out how his kick and bass sounds so perfect to each other. Its like the sits completely inside the bass.
That message x1000000. The breakdown and delivery of them people that "ain't go no friends" goes hard. I know everyone here can relate, no matter if its beats, vocals, video, photo, graphic design, you name it.
I used to get shit from my own homies for using reason while they were hardware snobs. I made so much more music than they did over the years and even made a little name for myself (Medl4) within the hip hop/beat making community, so the message of this video is very much appreciated.
Great message, you're absolutely right about the dudes who just want to feel bigger by making others small. A similar thing happens today with producers who use Splice versus producers who refuse to because it's "cheating". It's all about what you make and how it makes people feel. Splice and other sample resources are a tool and you can use it OR you don't have to. If you make things that people connect with, it really doesn't matter how you made them.
I remember they used to HATE on FL Studio back in 2002.
Look at them old music forums lol.
I remember those days. What's funny is 9th Wonder was also used as the justification FOR using Fruity Loops. His name came up a lot in a positive way, too. If 9th Wonder was using it, then it's absolutely legit. We owe a lot to him for being as strong as he was skilled. I always wanted to make beats, but was never able to afford an MPC. But I could afford a copy of Fruity Loops 3, which literally opened up a new world for myself and countless other people. Gotta show love to both 9th and FL. They helped pave the way.
I‘m 27 now. Started making beats on the MPC 500 because of J Dilla and Madlib.. I didn’t have the money so a 500 had to do.. I mastered the art of the drum machine after a couple years. Then i switched to FL studio for the „new“ sound as in, trap beats.
It took me several more years to master Fruity. So either way you have to learn how to master the medium and learn how to put the „sauce“ on beats anyway. It’s an artform and difficult to get into either way.
Love to all the beatmakers 4 real.
A true artist is not limited by their tools.
HUGE FACTS!!!!
Factsss
Also they dont take shieeeetyone too
I started making music in FL when I was in 8th grade (it was back in 2018) and almost every time when I told people in my school that I make music on my computer, they would laugh at me. The reason for this was that they didn`t know anything about music production. They simply weren`t aware that DAWs exist and that most of today`s music is produced on computers. They had stereotype that to make music you need real instruments, expensive equipment and years of studying in musical school (I learned basic music theory by myself on the internet). So that`s why even school teachers were laughing at me while talking about how talanted was the girl from my class, that plays piano but doesn`t write her own songs. Of course not everyone was thinking that way, there were few people I was friends with, who just like me were trying different software to create something
that really ticked me off hearing what you said abt acting like youre not a real musician. i respect u for grinding even back then
@19tet your not a real musician a composer is not a musician u have to play a instrument to be a musician
i play drums t sax guitar n bass n clarinet but keep yappin 🤣 @@lilwoodiewood3457
I still use FL but I use MIDI keyboards and drum pads for my drums and melodies because it’s more fun to me than clicking in notes. For sampling I prefer the MPC because of the workflow and more performative feel of making music. I just bought an analog synth because I like turning knobs and fine tuning sounds, but I’m well aware I could’ve accomplished the mostly the same with my midi keyboard and stock FL synths. To me it’s about what’s fun.
What drum pad and keyboard would you recommend me
As a complete beginner
I'd like to produce in genres RnB ,hip hop and Afrobeats?
@@swimdropsgems I got the MPK Mini mk3 and I use a custom program made by the UA-camr Al Be. I’d start with a MPK mini mk3 or mini plus. It’s a drum pad and keyboard all in one. Check out Al Be’s custom program to it basically turns FL into an MPC you can work everything from the controller.
I remember when Fruity Loops first dropped. Lots of cats were playing around with cracked versions in the early 2000s but no one took FL “producers” seriously back then. And even when 9th broke out and became well-known, I feel like his work still had a very noticeable FL vibe, if that makes sense (Jay-Z’s “Threat” is a perfect example of what I mean). I was *shocked* to learn, years later, that so many successful new producers were using FL. It’s something that was truly unimaginable in 2000, 2001.
yep. this is the exact comment i was looking for. everyone used to make fun of producers that used fruity loops back when i was in high school. people acted as if you weren’t serious about producing unless you used reason or something along those lines, smh. now EVERYONE uses FL & NO ONE uses Reason. oh, how the tides have turned 😂
His beats DID have the fruityloops "sound". Theres a specific type of sound that FL gave to drums, you could most easily hear it in the snares. You can hear it all over the early LB work. This is why everyone knew when he switched from FL to MPC.
@@Niggalodeon323 YES! 🤣🤣 I was definitely a Reason user.
@@Keplerian Yep, the snare was the telltale sign!
Using BooBass and stock snares.
Best video ever. It's a matter of choosing your tools within your actual means and how to use them.
I have far more respect for people like him than those who shoot their mouths off without creating. What those people complained about is what nearly every recording musician does now. Not only hip-hop, but elsewhere in music. Using amp sim and channel strip plugins instead of prohibitively expensive tube amps, big 4x12 cabinets, multiple mics, and huge desk consoles. Mini MIDI controllers instead of a vintage analog synth. People like setting up invisible barriers to creating music, and I'll always have respect for people that deliberately ignore them.
9th seriously deserves the world. He's able to make so much from so little, like he can use a simple sample loop for an entire beat and make it work like a fuckin genius. Super underrated.
doubling a single quarter note on someone else's genius performance is genius? Seems basic to me. Kind of reminds me of Vanilla Ice trying to explain how his "genius" contribution to Queen/Bowie's "Under Pressure" was doing a note repeat on one of the notes.
These songs are successful because a talented musician wrote some amazing parts for it that would have sounded great whether including the minor alteration chops or played unaltered. .
@@AdamsOlympia Then why don't you go on and make a living by making beats better than 9th Wonder? I guarantee you have no music worth listening to yet you got so much to say about others talent. Lmfao
@@AdamsOlympia can't believe there are still dorks who listen to Pink Floyd crying about sampling in 2024
@@AdamsOlympialmao bums like you are hilarious. You can check old tweets from some of the greatest rappers dead or alive begging 9th wonder to make beats for him. Kendrick lamar for one. You got no idea what your talking about if you think what 9th wonder does is basic hahahaha. Otherwise why would you have rap talents like that literally begging that man for his beats he produces. Bruh
@@AdamsOlympia🤡🤡🫵🫵ik you just didn’t compare ice to 9th😂 let see you take a beat if it’s so easy
Love the producer stories from you! Great to know a bit of history. Cheers!
Well said - great advice - thanks for making this video!
I think it was shocking to industry people who were used to big boards and studios. But what 9th did is par for the course for Indie Hip Hop, DIY approach. It’s like how people are making movies with phones for the past few years. You have nothing, you use what you have at your disposal and hopefully it works. Underground Hip Hop.
I can relate to this video just like many other producers who use FL. In the end, It’s all about what helps you create the best sounding music to you and your audience. Excellent video.
I'm from Durham, right up the street where he went to school at NCCU with Little Brother. I remember when Little Brother distinquished that new sample boom bap back pack but hard hitting edgy sound that 9th Wonder developed with his production techniques. Fruity Loops was the wave for our generation, it was hated on by the old heads back then and many still today, but a real producer can make magic with any DAW. The man makes the DAW, DAW doesn't make the man. Dope video, brought back memories.
Little Brother? You remember Foreign Exchange? Their album Connected was a classic 🔥
Wow... this whole time I wasn't even aware that 9th Wonder produced on FL Studio, let alone started out with it and was able to normalize it. Funny enough I started out on FL but moved on to the MPC Live II (no particular reason, I just liked the workflow over FL's but I still use FL Studio of course; all depends on the mood, the beat I'm going for, what I wanna do, etc).
I still see people like DJ Khaled hate on producers using FL Studio even in the 2020's because in his words "it's not beat making, it's telling the computer what to do" and it's such a damn shame.
I really like your take in this video I have a MPC but I can get the same feel in Fl studio with a midi keyboard and serato sample it’s not about what you use but finding what works best for you to make beats that sound good at the end of the day
Absolutely! Hope you're doing well btw man
This a wonderful video 📸
I went from FL to an MPC and love it. Still doesn’t matter what you make your music on. My friend still uses FL 8 and makes 🔥. He makes the Wasp plugin sound like a really expensive hardware synth lol
i just explained this same thing with my #artists "if someone says it's not good enough, is because your doing something right".
Great one, everyone should hear that. Art is art, no matter how you create it.
Amazing video. I really like the end message. I make music using audacity which is free and i'm comfortable using it so i don't really take into consideration when people tell me to use other daws
He was hated because it was new. Same reason people used to hate on me when I was one of the first people messing with online dating.
In the beginning, if you were on the original dating websites, you'd get laughed at. "You'll never find a woman online!" I used to get told!
Next thing you know, my friends that talked shit, were suddenly ALL ONLINE trying to find women because I was bagging some hotties and
they were struggling finding women at bars, clubs etc. Nobody likes when something new comes along until it's popularized by those that
get hated on! Same thing when we went to CD's instead of tape cassettes. Same thing when we went to DVD's instead of VHS Tapes. I
could share 100 other examples that are no different than why people originally hated on producers that relied on a computer!
Your username is something else
It's the name of my Podcast. After years of producing hip hop I got tired of all the haters calling me cracker, honky, stealing black man's music etc. so rather than run away from the name, I chose to embrace it! For I... AM THE SUPER HONKY! Love your channel bro! :D @@NavieD
@Super "Nobody likes when something new comes along until it's popularized". And this is why I hate following crowds. There's many people out there who have a herd mentality. I would have called out your so called friends on their hypocrisy.
@@Stephan5916 Truly they are some. I think but I think they are afraid that their family gets disappointed fr or their idols, idk fr.
Just getting into FL and music making in general and I've already encountered the purists. Having professionals like you and 9th spreading this truth is great man.
It don't matter what you use, a dope beat is a dope beat. I just can't stand the copy and paste "producers" who take a pre-made melody loop and pre-made drum loops, slap them together and think they did something. Takes no skill, anybody can do that...
It's how you combine them that matters.
There is nothing wrong with that everyone is different and create in different ways you can use samples and still make trash bro
@colnixon8989 it's still lazy, and takes absolutely no skill.
@Dice562 I used to do that when I first got into producing and you gotta have a musical eat to a certain regard so the loops you put together sound good, but starting loops helped me learn how to mix genres so now it's been really helpful and has improved my skills
@MelvinInYoHeadGang bruh that last part is garbage u didn't learn how to mix genres before u even learned how to make your own beats
The hardest beats come from your mastery over your tools keep creating
I remember getting fl 1 for free with a key generator back when they worked used FL studio ever since just for myself makin beats is therapeutic
In the early 90’s we had Atari ST and Commodore Amiga computers with software like Protracker or Soundtracker. Many hiphop and house artists used software to create music. Fruity Loops is just a newer version of that. It’s not about the tools, it’s what you do with them that counts … or sounds in this case.
As a guy who made beats on Cakewalk in 1995 on my PC... i NEVER understood the hate.
I moved on to Reason, like it better than FL, but either way, both could be mastered and made amazing.
These days I like Reaper, less than 49mbs to run it
Wow cakewalk?? Haven't heard that one in along time 😂😂
FL and reason
Me too. Cakewalk from 1995 haha! Still going strong with it to this day.
I got nothing against DAW producers, what people dont understand is the different types of effort they put into beatmaking! Hardware producers use hands on crafting when beatmaking including sampling and chopping them up and used for sequencing while DAW producers use software where everything is done for them and the software helps them cut corners with making beats and sometimes the beats they make may sound too perfect almost like synthetic sounding!!
My favorite producers I like that may use DAWs are Statik Seleckta, Apollo Brown, Jake One.
Hardware producers I like are Alchemist, Premier, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Marco Polo, Jay Dee, DJ Muggs!
The real talent in producing beats and instrumentals is with hardware SP-1200s, SP-404s, MPCs!!! Because of your work dynamics and actual craft on HANDS ON BEATMAKING!!
The moment you use DAWs for beatmaking its very different from using your fingers on the pads of the actual beat machines/samplers and sequencers. With DAWs you are just clicking the mouse here and there dragging and dropping beats. Its a different feel of effort being put into it!!
Whats the difference between a Serato DJ and a Real DJ?
Serato DJs use software that imitates real turntable scratching a cheating method where it finds the area in a song and uses dummy vinyl to pick up signals from the song from a laptop or pc. While a real DJ finds the specific part of a song on real vinyl pressed music to mix or scratch!!
Its ok to use DAW with beatmaking if you dont entirely use the DAW for beatmaking IMO!!
FL Studio, Studio One, Ableton are there to help with beats and designing synth sounds, effects, and other added features to your beats!!
The accuracy of this video is incredible! Quick story:
When I started making beats in 2004, FL was brand new to most hiphop producers. Old school heads talked so much trash about the program(fruity loops was the og name before Kellogg said hold up lol, all of those puns included, yeah those 😢).
Long story short, anyone making beats before 2005 on FL was considered a kid and not looked at as serious. Soulja Boy would come and shut up the haters. However, what people don’t credit is that DFB and D4L made the program popular before Soulja did.
Coming on 20 years of beat production now, boy has times changed.
(Edit, watch this: I still make beats on FL 6! Yes, all of my beats are made on FL 6 20 years later. The program is powerful enough to compete in changing times, it’s just a matter of knowing how to do it in an old school sense.)
4:20 People also seem to forget the MIXING and MASTERING process. You could recreate that beat using the exact same hardware but an engineer will know how go make those drums pop, while not compromising the quality of the sound.
Really important video. It just had to be said finally. Ignore the losers, snobs and know-alls. Artists pay for sounds you produce, not for equipment.
one of the best music channels on the tube.. great content!
Thanks bro it means a lot but i got literally no vids on this channels yet tho thanks tho
A wise man once told me if you have talent the gear dosent matter and if you dont have talent the gear dosent matter.
Navie D makes the best educational project of its kind! I’ve been watching you for several years, almost from the very beginning, it’s nice to watch how you grow and experiment with the formats of your educational show, you do a good job and inspire a lot of people!
I started on Fruity Loops in like 2001, I used it for many, many years and love it to this day although I prefer other DAWs at this point. I dabble in FL occasionally though. That said, I always thought 9ths beats were lazy. I thought his snare was weird and a cheap imitation of Primo's snare. His beats were simple and the sound lacked a certain depth. When I saw how he treated the rest of little brother, it just made my perception of him worse.
Ultimately, you can make bangers on Fruity Loops, and 9th definitely has a bunch of bangers, but unfortunately, he made a lot of mediocre lazy beats on a software that made his beats sound thin and real producers picked up on that. It wasn't just haters or traditionalist snobs.
Anyway, great video as always Navie.
It was the Fruityloops that gave a weird sound to his snare. If you know, you know.
This happens in many manners of the creative game. Appreciate the clarity and the demonstrations. "It's all about the tools" In reality, it's about the work. Putting in the WORK. And using whatever tools you have to do the best work possible. Great vid man. 🖤
I started on hardware, then over time I found myself in pc software.
About 2 years ago I moved back to mpc.
I'm making music faster now, I use my ears more and concentrate less on the screen.
For me workflow and getting an idea down fast is king.
I'm back on pc though for the master.
It's really about what works for the individual.
Yep, great attitude to have!
I feel it, as musical instrument the simple hardware doesn't try too much to control you, like suggesting ideas or distract with animated things
This video was a real pleasure to watch! I'm so glad I found you and subscribed!
yo that is fucking crazy this guy i know has like 50k worth of studio shit but he dont do shit just like u said he got no friends and he tried to shit on me for using fl studio its crazy how you are so right with these types of people
ollolo I think a lot of people know someone like that
Does his name rhyme with Chain Ackson?
The thing i like the most about software is how quick and easy you can go through things like chop a sample and things like that. Just drag and drop, stretch, etc. Using hardware is cool, but it's a pain to spend a lot preparing all to just realize the sample doesn't work as you may think.
Have absolute no hate to the people who do the opposite thing, well instead i may admire their patience.
I made beats on FL back in the early 2000s. It was super shit on by default. I used to get the "you made that in Fruity loops?!". Like people didn't even want to believe that it had a sampler so you could load your own sounds and VSTs and connect it to keyboards and sound modules and play it with a MIDI controller. "Fruity" being in the title didn't help it any but the "loops" part made a lot of people think it was just MTV Music Generator and all you could do with is mix and match premade loops. The sounds that came with it were pretty cheesy though.
He inspired me to make beats with FL Studio about twenty years ago. Nothing came of it because I didn't pursue it, but I made some decent stuff and had a lot of fun. I still make a beat every once in a while.
When I started making beats at around 05 using FL Studio, I remember lots of people saying that I should get an MPC or at least some other daw like Pro Tools. So when I heard that 9th Wonder uses FL Studio I knew that I don't need to worry about those remarks.
Great video! I've been making beats for longer than I want to say starting out with two HD VCR machines and a 4 second sample time to work with! Using the VCRs to overdub my tracks because they had CD quality sound that didn't degrade very much. Use what you have and can afford and be creative with it. You might just develop a new sound just by having to do some crazy work-around.
inspiring, great clearing the air on these myths.
Thank you Chris!
Navie D Man I liked Your Version better than the Hardware You are a Genius when it comes to Emulations been throwing out the word out there to boost your subscribers and audience! Happy New Year 2023 and much Love! Keep doing what You do!
Yeah, 9th is definitely the reason I started using fl studio back in 2004.
Do you also remember the hate he got for it?
I too! was a Fruity Loops basher... just because of the name and so were a lot of people, haha. I would brag that I used REASON... only to ditch it for Ableton LIVE... REASON sounded so "rich". I still have version 6.5.3 and rewire it to LIVE 11. They say LIVE 11 doesn't support rewire but... it does... you have to edit the "options.txt" file an viola! Rewire reappears. So I still use THOR / Combinators / KONG and all that.
How in the hell did the algorithm figure out i make crappy beats on fl studio to reccomend me this?
i'm 41, ive been making beats since 1998, I actually started on computer software called impulse tracker then moved to the mpc. I actually respected 9th for making his beats on fl studio because I was a fan of his beats and impressed
Maaaan. FL2 demo was my launching pad. When 9th took off with it, and Murs said "9th you made these beats on fruity loops!?" I was proud AF, like, the path was on point. Peace.
The phenomena you described applies to all crafts. Many people rather spend time picking the best tools rather than actually creating something. And although the best producers usually have amazing tools, we know that they can create something amazing using a $500 laptop with $50 software
Half true. He did get a lot of hate for using Fruity Loops, but much of the early hate was for using the same snare sound over and over again.
I started making beats wayback with the computer > the first Cubase 1 on a Atari computer with a synthesizer via midi.. Than I started with FL for a short while and than Reason 1 , then 2, 3 4 5 6 7 8 and now still working on Reason 9 and Cubase 9. Haters will hate, thats their job in life :)
9th wonder was the man and I always loved his beats..one of my favorites. The listener doesn't care how the beat is made lol
he's still the man
@@Crates94 you right let me edit
last part so true... the listeners that care abt that are not part of the majority of listeners
thank you for everything you do keep up the hard work!!!!
just make good beats to make people enjoy it. attitude > wallet
I like it
it does not matter what DAW or What production tool (be it hardware or software) you use, whether a track sounds professional, catchy and placement worthy depends upon the producer using the tool. It's the producer who can either make his track a hit or a flop
I read once where 9th said, "if i can score 50 points wearing Chuck Taylors, why do i need Air Jordan's? "
I find MPCs and most other standalone hardware far easier than FL. I found it counter intuitive to the way I produce. FL is far more advanced these days than when 9th Wonder started using it, it simply wasn’t fashionable back then and was seen as a bit of a toy program, like GarageBand.
in Poland (and probably most of European states that were broke) people would make beats on their PCs even back in 1990. the exampli gratia of this is the band Kaliber 44, which started their career 'officially' in 1994, but their main producer would use a Commodore PC and a piece of software even few years back and few years forward. See, that's the difference, in USA you could afford a beat machine if you saved for some time, and here, if you had a piece of electonic hardware back in the 90's, you'd be either very lucky or really, really rich, cuz that stuff's pricy.
Oh wow. Do those machines still exist? That would be a trip to try and use one
@@NavieD I think so, but I'm pretty sure they're private property of the families. the guy I mentioned in my initial comment (producer from Kaliber 44) unalived himself in 2000. but these old 80's and 90's PCs of popular brands, like Amiga, Commodore, etc. are still available to buy in some places. I think finding a DAW for it would be more difficult, feel free to research:)
Great video. That's it, use whatever you're comfortable with and keep going. This type of hate usually comes from a place of envy, and music means much more than that. Don't fall for it
While people were busy hating, 9th Wonder was busy putting in work making beats. To be honest, the fact that 9th Wonder used FL Studio actually gave me inspiration to work more on my beats.
I don't make beats for a long time now, but I never thought software was a downside, but I also didn't produce in early 2000s so I'm not influenced by hardware. I was just amazed that I used this same tool that someone whose music I liked also used. It just showed me that I don't need thousands of dollars of equipment to make music.
Some of the best beats I ever made I made on a wave editor in 1996. I had one with a feature called “paste mix”, I would get a calculator and work out how far to space hi hats, then I would alter the volume of my sample and paste mix the chops over the hats. Then I’d add kicks and snares over the top of that. I’d save the loops as different files and then copy and paste them in a the order I wanted them. My PC had tiny memory and hard disk so all the loops had to be 22khz, 8bit which gave them a very raw quality. Years later I got FL and hardware samplers, I never captured that rawness. I didn’t understand it was the limitations that made the sound. Particularly for FL there were too many options, everything I did sounded overworked. Less is more, especially for hiphop.
9th uses machine now
I remember a musician giving me grief because i recorded and produced using a DAW and VSTs, called himself a musical genius
He quit music out of highschool, but I’m still mixing and mastering tracks with and for my buddies, learning something new every time and I never stopped having fun with it!
Most people that are gear heads buy equipment for studio pics and conversation pieces. 9 times out of 10, their music sucks, or is seriously outdated.
I think in general, the people who are the loudest about how great they are, usually suck
@@NavieD there’s literally no need for two SP1200’s, or multiple vintage MPC’s to be plugged up and on a desk. One SP404 with batteries can do the same thing, and a lot more! 🤣
dude 9th is that guy. Love him and his music. I rememeber searching him up and so many weirdos were like 'he's trash, he uses one drum sound, he is generic'' crazy. He stands out imo, I always know it's him when I hear it and I also hear his influence EVERYWHERE.
Ikr definitely has the beat game on legendary status. My producers make really good beats. I can't rap on anything weak 😂
oh for sure haha when I make my own for fun It gotta have that head bump or it isnt right lol good rappers and good beats are like trains and tracks. I can leave some 9th on and Dilla while cleaning too and get too much done in the house haha@@BLOXKAFELLARECORDS
@@avgriffin foreal haha come thru bro I got some fire freestyles 🔥
My knock on 9th is that he rarely switches his drums.You CAN tell a 9th beat.I NEVER repeat the SAME drums.The challenge is finding fresh drums and there's MILLIONS of drum samples.I prefer ALCHEMIST,DILLA,MADLIB,ILL MIND,BEATMINERS, ODDISEE.Nothing wrong with a "signature sound"though.
And 9th will cop an attitude when folks tell him he uses the same drums on every track.
I was using Sound Forge and Acid Pro since about 1998. I remember once I started meeting with labels in 2006 I was embarrassed to go into the studio with my computer to make beats lol.
Acid Pro 2.0 was my shit!! Frfr. In high school, I was gifted a cracked version of Reason "to upgrade" and just lost interest with it. My friend swore by it, though.
Yet another great video. Thank you. Please do Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma. It deserves a series. I'm willing to donate
Hahah I don't even know if I could understand what the hell FlyLo was doing on that album. It has some next level magic in it
Great suggestion
Fruity loops got hate because it was like a sin to use computers to make music instead of instruments, yet some people don't realize some of the early sounds of hip hop came from artificial sounds and synthesizers, such as Zapp and Roger (Autotune started with Zapp and not T-Pain).
Now most music is made via software on a computer so it's normalized. Samples and mixing were the early days and evolved on computers.
It's not just the hardware guys that are elitist. I got questioned on several occasions while opening FL to record people in the studio instead of Pro Tools. It's always some old head producer that's trying to sell me on Pro Tools too, I think their understanding of technology and technique is as outdated as the beats they make.
Love your videos great insight as always
What an informative video man, I really loved the enormous work on your videos, always that I watch a video from yours I ended obtaining great knowledge to keep becoming a great producer and a authentic artist, thank you for that. Peace and health to you man 🙏🏻
If I ever gon make it with music, Im gon come back to this video because I started doing beats watching ur tutorial for the basics. Love your videos, hopefully you will do collab with Karim Benzema one day
The modern argument now is Beatmakers vs completely AI generated beat-makers.
Its scary
I stick to old school approach
I remember using FL Studio when it was still called Fruity Loops 4, and I chose it along with Adobe Audition 1.5 because it was the most affordable way to start recording. I still use Adobe Audition today because I'm very familiar with it and use it to edit some audio.
Back in the day, I always felt like I wasn’t a 'real' producer because when people asked what I used for recording and I said FL Studio and Adobe, they’d look at me like I was dumb or amateur. It might have been my own insecurity, who knows. A few years later, I got a copy of Pro Tools and was hugely disappointed. I remember thinking, 'This is what everyone is using?' It seemed so counterintuitive compared to FL Studio.
Even though FL Studio couldn’t record audio at the time (which is why I used the Adobe combo), I could program drums and patterns in FL and then import them into Adobe for recording. I tried other DAWs like Cubase, Cakewalk, and Sony Acid, but nothing felt as intuitive as FL Studio. Around 2008-2010, I noticed people producing hits in FL Studio, and the rap community started respecting it. Now, FL Studio is incredibly powerful, and I’m glad I stuck with it.
skill > DAW
Correct!
What does that even mean?
@@claireconor1 doesn't matter what daw you use, it's all about skill (and creativity and effort)
@@alexvanzyl_official ahhh ok 👍
@@claireconor1 you're welcome!
This was really interesting bro! 💪🏽 really needed this bro. 💯
Ive seen cats make crappy music with the most expensive equipment and heard some creative hard, dope beats on an mtv music generator.
Absolutely
You aint gotta lie aobut the mtv game thing.
@@Crates94 Nah, im too grown to speak a lie on that brugh I heard it for real in the Bronx dudes was going banana on that mtv gen 1 on a pc.
Maaan. I learned to make beats on that music generator! I graduated to a daw on my pc and have put out bangers. I tried FL but didn’t like it. The final product is what matters.
tbh I started with an EMU SP1200, turntable and Cubase VST (yep with that special red plugin key, I still have it). Over the years I bought into software like FL Studio and the I incorporated hardware and software (as plugins) to create. I included Logic and subbed FL in as a plugin and when MPC went to Soft Tech I used that as well with my Renaissance. I've cooked with Pro tools with My MPC live and still use a bit of everything today. There have been days where I use nothing but my synth and just play in to my DAW. I guess what I am saying is use what you know. It is beautiful anyway you do it. And P.S. Don't delete what you don't like, someone always will find their sound, even if you think it is not your preference.