Thank you for sharing this! We need to stand for God's word and not change it to appease man. God's word stands forever. Many out there need to know these truths, people are suffering, our society, our family and even in our churches are suffering because of the lack of teaching God's word in all areas of life. Going against the clear teachings of God's word has consequences and we need to address them. As believers we need to share the gospel to the lost so they too can be saved regardless what sin they may be in, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and God wants all to be saved and he provided the only way that they can be saved and that is through faith trusting Jesus Christ alone as their Saviour. God has proven he loves sinners if not we all be lost forever but he hates sin and what it has done, that it has consequences both now and hereafter and God wants us to know. God provided salvation so sinners could be saved through Jesus Christ. Man can choose to pay for his sins and be lost forever or man choose to trust Jesus Christ as their Saviour, who has fully paid the debt of man's sin and be saved forever. Thank God he loved us so he gave his only Son Jesus Christ to die in our place so we could be saved forever.
Amen! I have had my horrible piece in lust. It completely messes up your mind and brihgs you all kinds of anxiety. You start to associate sex as comfort when comfort should come from Holy Spirit. Those who go after pleasure in sin eventually lose pleasure and truth because their minds/brains change so that they become desensitized to it. They just want and need more and their minds become full of wanting more sin and they go deeper into sins as slaves of it. When I was playing video games under 18 it became an addiction, an idol, for me. First small stuff like gameboy and 15mins a day, then Nintendo DS and much more, then 1hr, then into playstation and more hours. My school grades worsened and I thought a lot about playing video games. Then I got into call of duty and playing over 6hrs per day. I started to throw my controller, become angry, cuss and shout. When I went to school one day I just started to hate some of my school mates just for the sake of it. My point being, as with lust also, it becomes worse and worse unless you come to Christ and He helps you to stop by the power of His Spirit to overcome flesh
The bear has consciousness.. but it lacks moral agency which is something we have because we are made in the image of God. Fantastic sermon brother, this was really helpful as i am navigating a difficult situation at work being a friend to a gay man in a Christ like manner.
My Grandaddy was a Pastor and I asked my Grandaddy when I was young, "What about someone or some tribe somewhere that's never heard of Jesus. " I meant if the Rapture happened... I lived as a homosexual for 20+ yrs. Interesting you say, "That they live in loud & boisterous way." I was ashamed, I lied & hid my lifestyle. Only my family knew, but only after my Grandaddy passed. Well actually, not until I was 31 yrs old. I had been in the lifestyle since I was 15. It gets complicated. I was sexually abused as a child. I think that confused me. TBH, I only knew 1 lesbian that had NOT been sexually abused as a child. I was convinced that I was born gay. Then I heard a Pastor say that science proved 90+ % of lesbians had been sexually abused. Anyway, soon after Jesus radically saved me and poured 🙏 out his love upon 🙏 me. It's true, the greater the sinner, the greater the grace. I don't deserve him. Anyway, I've spent the last 5 almost 6 yrs studying the word & listening to nothing but sermons & occasionally worship music. So, maybe at 48 the Lord still might be calling me into missionary work❓️ The U.N has legalized maps... man lying with beast will be legalized next‼️ MARANATHA
I have homosexual friends who believe. I often understand that all the listed sinners who will not inheret the kingdom is a broad list saying "everyone is guilty of at least one and thus offends all the law"
No. The unpardonable sin is the sin of never believing in Christ as your Savior. Believers can commit homosexuality in their flesh, but they are still spiritually saved. There are grave consequences, but hell is not one of them. - Trent
Thanks for your sermon. The question I have is how to answer someone who keeps thinking God's grace is a License to sin. I believe in free grace theology ( a.k.a biblical Christianity) I hear this argument constantly. All I know is just preach the gospel and God will sort out the rest lol. Thanks for your time. God bless brother!
That's a strawman used by people who misunderstand free grace. Read Romans. Paul spends Ch 1-2 explaining sin, God's judgment of sin, and why the law doesn't save us. Ch 3 explains the Gospel grace. V 23 and 24"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins." Ch 6 v1 and 2"Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more kindness and forgiveness? Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?" Free grace means we believe we don't do anything to get it, not that we believe we get to abuse it because it's free.
Thank you Pastor for your clear, concise gospel presentations, but the New IFB does not teach that one becomes a reprobate by sinning too much. We teach that one becomes a reprobate by either hating God, or choosing not to retain God in their knowledge.
I cannot find the first video on this sermon. I have looked through your channel 4-5 times and cannot find this video or the first one anywhere. I’m not sure why it’s in my recommended but not on your channel but I wanted you to know. Others have been having issues with their videos being deleted.
If they believed in Jesus as their Savior at some point, yes, they will. Separate the flesh (doesn’t inherit) from the Spirit (will inherit). Gal. 5:16-17 - Trent
@@BibleLine but the Bible clearly states that they won't. As a matter of fact at the end of vs. 21 of Gal.5 in the passage you quoted. This is bizarre, Pastor Jessie obviously believes the same thing. The way he preached that message was so spot on and then you guys go off the rails with this conclusion. See this is what I mean about dangerous teaching. You guys are affirming people to perdition. 1st John chapter 3 is clear.
The part of them committing the sin won’t go to heaven : the flesh. The part of the believer that cannot sin and goes to heaven no matter what : the spirit. The unbeliever does not have the new spirit nature. Therefore, a believer in Christ goes to heaven based upon his faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing else. Eph. 1:12-14 - Trent
What's hard listening to this isn't that homosexuality is a sin, it's how Romans 1:26 onward relates to people in the modern day. I struggle with this problem and I never did that.
Now if you would only agree that baptism is full immersion in water. Acts chapter 2 vs 38 Acts chapter 9, 18 Mark 16 verse 16. 1st. Peter 3 vs 21. Ephesians Chapter 4, 5.
How is someone who is a practicing lesbian still obtain heaven? I admittedly try to change the word to fit my life but feel convicted. Im soo afraid of going to hell and only want to stop sinning so God will accept me into heaven but is this a work? What if i continued living willfully as a lesbian ..will i go to hell?
Going to heaven isn’t based on what sin or how much sin you commit. Salvation is free to you if you believe Jesus Christ paid for your sin by his death, burial and resurrection. Yes, we do believe homosexuality is a sin, but that sin was paid like all others. - Trent
@@BibleLine bro it is the best program for kids we had a gym in our church we'd have games in the gym everyone Wednesday when we had awanas. It was best church I ever been to but the church seperated because half the church was against tongues being spoken in the church the other half was for it but the half against it didn't want it spoken in the church because there was no one interpret they said they didn't know if someone could been trying put curses on the church which they was correct the others thought it was just because they thought the others were against it saying it wasn't biblical for this generation was saying that half was going against the scripture was sad day because other then that its was great church but when the pastor sent nt around paper to sign making people agree they wouldn't perform it in church they said they was against the gospel
Could a person's heart be hardened by God because he repeatedly refused to trust Christ and then not be able to repent and trust Him for salvation because God doesn't want him to be saved?
Well Bible talks about self-hardening and judicial hardening of the heart. If an unbeliever hardens his or her own heart against God enough then God can at some point "seal the deal" by hardening his or her heart as a just result for his or her unwillingness to repent and trust in Christ Jesus. The sane happened with Pharaoh. God did not harden his heart first, Pharaoh hardened his own heart and then as a result God judicially hardened Pharaoh's heart. You don't need to do lgbtq sins to be hardened by God. If an unbeliever of any kind refuses to believe in Jesus Christ so, so, so many times, and only God knowd how far is too far, then God may give the person over to his or her ways to indulge in sin
I do not believe there is a point where a person can “never” trust Christ. There is very clearly hardening done by individuals in rejection of the gospel. It will only ever be the individual who is at fault for gardening themselves to not trust in Christ. God does allow the individual to give themselves over to this hardness, but he is ultimately gracious and will save anyone who believes in him; even the homosexual. Notice the point of the video isn’t that homosexuals can’t trust in Christ. They very well can, and we pray they do. - Trent
There is something I don't understand... _Free Grace_ says you don't turn from sin either before or after conversion. Then why are they preaching against LGBTQ if believers are not required to repent of their sin? Wouldn't preaching about LGBTQ make believers think they need to forsake sins and somehow "make it up" to God? This is just contradicting of _FGT_
The Bible teaches that no works are required for salvation. No works are required to keep your salvation either. The Bible does teach (contrary to your view of FGT) that works ARE REQUIRED to 1) Please God in your life, 2) live sanctified, 3) be a disciple, 4) be profitable, 5) win souls, and should I go on? You’re strawmanning the mess out of our content, and you can’t even see it. You pretend you can measure yourself up against the blood of Christ and succeed in saving yourself. The only way to have salvation is by believing in Jesus Christ. You on the other hand obviously believe “someone CANT be gay and go to heaven.” Assuming Christ didn’t die for the sin of homosexuality. You put his crucifixion to shame by your beliefs. - Trent
@@BibleLine no Trent, I am not pretending to "measure myself against the blood of Christ", neither I believe that "gays can't go to heaven". But I am calling out the inconsistencies of _Free Grace Theology_ where on one hand they bring down the hammer on anyone who even suggests that Christians should turn away from sin, and on the other hand FTG expects people to do the right thing. So which one is it Trent? If turning away from sin at any point means "trying to merit one's salvation", then why even contemplate the idea of telling LGBTQ folks to forsake their ways at any point? We wouldn't want our LGBTQ friends to be confused and think they need to turn from sin to be saved or turn from sin after conversion right? Being fruitful, profitable, and living a godly life are all but optional remember? from our conversation on other videos I told you that Zane Hodges, Bob Wilkin, Fred Lybrand (all FGT) reduce works to being optional. So why burden them with that?
@@BibleLine I have never pretended to "measure myself" against Christ's blood and sacrifice. Neither have I said that "gays can't go to heaven". I am pointing out inconsistencies of _Free Grace Theology_ . Let me ask you this: is Sanctification guaranteed after conversion or not?
You reduce the entirety of the scriptures to salvation into eternal life. No sanctification is not guaranteed. It’s commanded, and the believer has everything he needs to live sanctified. You say “optional.” It’s commanded that a believer should live sanctified, but many believers rebel. Do you have children? Are your children automatically sanctified to your every standard? No apostates in the family? They’d still be your kid, right? Doesn’t mean you tolerate, accept and refuse to challenge/correct the behavior. In your view, all your kids would be copycats of your standards, or at least they would “slowly grow” to that standard. God has children whom he expects to stop sinning; yes to stop being gay as well, but many refuse and rebel. They are still his kids though. - Trent
All sinners must trust Jesus Christ as their Saviour and in doing so he will being to work in their life. First salvation being saved from the debt of sin and the consequences of sin eternal loss, judgement and separation from God in Hell through faith in Jesus Christ and then there's sanctification his Holy Spirit works in our lives to conformed into the image of Christ. One must trust Jesus Christ as their Saviour or be lost forever.
Sorry Pastor new IFB does not teach a continuous sin where God will reject you or you no longer saved. They teach a continuous rejection of God. These people are different from a regular center. They don’t want to retain God and their knowledge and for that cause God gives them up. So you’re right they are the initiator. Jeremiah said it best reprobate silver is what men shall call you for the Lord has rejected you.
You can sin in lgbtq wickedness and still be a christian, yes, but Bible and God is never for that lgbtq sins. If a christian sins in those sins he or she should repent or he or she will have horrible consequences on this earth and God may take his or her life
@@NikoFinn I don't mean falling into that sin, I mean living your life practicing it. Christians can fall into egregious sin but if you practice it you are not saved. Read 1st John chapter 3.
Steve, 1 John does not say "practicing sin means you are not saved." Practicing sin is not in the picture. It's sinning or not sinning at all. Look at the Greek. The word for practice is not found... The word is better translated do or commit. Salvation happens the moment a person believes. They are sealed with the Spirit. The Spirit cannot sin, but the body of flesh always sins. This is the dichotomy presented in 1 John 3. Therefore, as a believer you SHOULD walk in the Spirit, but you still have your nasty flesh. A believer could be LGBT and still go to heaven. The consequences will be chastening and etc... but the consequence is not hellfire... Otherwise you are literally claiming that a person has to be sinless to be saved. God hates lying almost (if not) more than homosexuality... How are you doing there? - Trent
@@BibleLine not only does 1st John say it, (which you choose to explain away like its just filler or something) but JESUS clearly says it in Matthew 7:23. Word for word as a matter of fact. HE also speaks to the damning nature of sin in Matthew 18:8. (Please don't reply with asking if we should mutilate ourselves, HE means to take drastic action to rid yourself of it) I've said this to you before and I'll say it again, there is a difference between the sin that lives in us (our old nature, which we overcome by the SPIRIT ) and us living in sin (ongoing, unrepentant, willful.) I get the feeling you might have an issue with lying. Before GOD gave me victory over pornography, I projected my struggle with it on all other men, imagining that they too were defeated in this area. I can't take credit for it, but GOD has given me victory over lying as well, not that I believe I will never lie again, but it's not a struggle for me. I desire with all my heart to live a life that honors HIM and HE has granted that to me. (Not perfection but victory) What's funny is, it's more controversial in Christian circles to claim you're living in victory than to admit you're living in sin. That's why the church is losing the culture war. Most are no different from the world. We're supposed to be salt and light.... salt preserves and light dispels darkness, but our culture is dark and decayed, and it can be attributed in part to what you guys teach. You've done away with the fear of the LORD, by which we depart from evil, and are affirming the unregenerate to continue in the sin that's leading them to perdition, GOD have mercy on your souls. Mark these words!: you will one day be aghast to find out you were wrong on this issue and that you twisted the clear teaching of Scripture by beginning with a presupposition and bent HIS words to fit your narrative (eisegesis) I pray GOD reveals the truth to you before it's too late, both for your sake as well as those who hear you.
These guys have some solid teachings on the bible but their take on free grace is way off. Its like they learned from a brother of John Calvin who didnt teach the tulip god but taught something else based on John 3:16 and twisted it absolutely brutally and than started taking other scriptures to fit their theology. Even my 14 old sees just how much this is in error just like she saw how hertical reformed theolgy...tulip god..is an attack on the character of the true God and thus creating a different god just like jws and mormons.
So great full this pastor speaks truth in love and clears all the muddy waters of bad doctrine amen keep up the lords work
Thank you for speaking the truth in love.
Praise, Glory and Honour to the King of kings and Lord of lords for ever and ever Amen. Praise Jesus 🙌🏼🩵✝️
Thank you! Best sermon on this subject I have seen till now.
I am a praying mom of 2 homosekual adults. One of them estranged me...
It's sad...
Amen brother! Praise 🙏 God in the name of Jesus.
Thank you for boldly standing on the Word!
Thank you!
- Trent
Wow, wonderful teaching in this subject brother Jesse!
The word of God is truth indeed.
He that trusts in the Lord I'd Free indeed.❤🎸🙏🙏🙏
Is free in deed
Poor texting on my part. Lol
Thank you for sharing this! We need to stand for God's word and not change it to appease man. God's word stands forever. Many out there need to know these truths, people are suffering, our society, our family and even in our churches are suffering because of the lack of teaching God's word in all areas of life. Going against the clear teachings of God's word has consequences and we need to address them. As believers we need to share the gospel to the lost so they too can be saved regardless what sin they may be in, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God and God wants all to be saved and he provided the only way that they can be saved and that is through faith trusting Jesus Christ alone as their Saviour. God has proven he loves sinners if not we all be lost forever but he hates sin and what it has done, that it has consequences both now and hereafter and God wants us to know. God provided salvation so sinners could be saved through Jesus Christ. Man can choose to pay for his sins and be lost forever or man choose to trust Jesus Christ as their Saviour, who has fully paid the debt of man's sin and be saved forever. Thank God he loved us so he gave his only Son Jesus Christ to die in our place so we could be saved forever.
You handle hard topics so well and according to scripture. I want to be fearless for the Lord the way you are and not tickle ears. Bless you🙏
Amen! I have had my horrible piece in lust. It completely messes up your mind and brihgs you all kinds of anxiety. You start to associate sex as comfort when comfort should come from Holy Spirit. Those who go after pleasure in sin eventually lose pleasure and truth because their minds/brains change so that they become desensitized to it. They just want and need more and their minds become full of wanting more sin and they go deeper into sins as slaves of it.
When I was playing video games under 18 it became an addiction, an idol, for me. First small stuff like gameboy and 15mins a day, then Nintendo DS and much more, then 1hr, then into playstation and more hours. My school grades worsened and I thought a lot about playing video games. Then I got into call of duty and playing over 6hrs per day. I started to throw my controller, become angry, cuss and shout. When I went to school one day I just started to hate some of my school mates just for the sake of it. My point being, as with lust also, it becomes worse and worse unless you come to Christ and He helps you to stop by the power of His Spirit to overcome flesh
The bear has consciousness.. but it lacks moral agency which is something we have because we are made in the image of God. Fantastic sermon brother, this was really helpful as i am navigating a difficult situation at work being a friend to a gay man in a Christ like manner.
My Grandaddy was a Pastor and I asked my Grandaddy when I was young, "What about someone or some tribe somewhere that's never heard of Jesus. " I meant if the Rapture happened...
I lived as a homosexual for 20+ yrs. Interesting you say, "That they live in loud & boisterous way." I was ashamed, I lied & hid my lifestyle. Only my family knew, but only after my Grandaddy passed. Well actually, not until I was 31 yrs old. I had been in the lifestyle since I was 15. It gets complicated. I was sexually abused as a child. I think that confused me. TBH, I only knew 1 lesbian that had NOT been sexually abused as a child. I was convinced that I was born gay. Then I heard a Pastor say that science proved 90+ % of lesbians had been sexually abused. Anyway, soon after Jesus radically saved me and poured 🙏 out his love upon 🙏 me. It's true, the greater the sinner, the greater the grace. I don't deserve him. Anyway, I've spent the last 5 almost 6 yrs studying the word & listening to nothing but sermons & occasionally worship music. So, maybe at 48 the Lord still might be calling me into missionary work❓️
The U.N has legalized maps... man lying with beast will be legalized next‼️ MARANATHA
Romans Chapter 1 verse 26.
I actually agreed with you preacher, wow.
I have homosexual friends who believe. I often understand that all the listed sinners who will not inheret the kingdom is a broad list saying "everyone is guilty of at least one and thus offends all the law"
Is homosexuality the unpardonable sin if it reoccurring in the life of a once saved believer?
No. The unpardonable sin is the sin of never believing in Christ as your Savior. Believers can commit homosexuality in their flesh, but they are still spiritually saved. There are grave consequences, but hell is not one of them.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Thanks for your reply, I do agree that it is a sin but not resulting in loss of salvation.
Thanks for your sermon. The question I have is how to answer someone who keeps thinking God's grace is a License to sin. I believe in free grace theology ( a.k.a biblical Christianity) I hear this argument constantly. All I know is just preach the gospel and God will sort out the rest lol. Thanks for your time. God bless brother!
That's a strawman used by people who misunderstand free grace. Read Romans. Paul spends Ch 1-2 explaining sin, God's judgment of sin, and why the law doesn't save us. Ch 3 explains the Gospel grace. V 23 and 24"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins."
Ch 6 v1 and 2"Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more kindness and forgiveness? Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?"
Free grace means we believe we don't do anything to get it, not that we believe we get to abuse it because it's free.
Thank you Pastor for your clear, concise gospel presentations, but the New IFB does not teach that one becomes a reprobate by sinning too much. We teach that one becomes a reprobate by either hating God, or choosing not to retain God in their knowledge.
I cannot find the first video on this sermon. I have looked through your channel 4-5 times and cannot find this video or the first one anywhere. I’m not sure why it’s in my recommended but not on your channel but I wanted you to know. Others have been having issues with their videos being deleted.
Galatians Chp 5 verses 19-21.
Great sermon! Wow!. So Trent, can someone continue to practice homosexuality or any type of sexual sin and still inherit the Kingdom of GOD?
If they believed in Jesus as their Savior at some point, yes, they will. Separate the flesh (doesn’t inherit) from the Spirit (will inherit). Gal. 5:16-17
- Trent
@@BibleLine but the Bible clearly states that they won't. As a matter of fact at the end of vs. 21 of Gal.5 in the passage you quoted. This is bizarre, Pastor Jessie obviously believes the same thing. The way he preached that message was so spot on and then you guys go off the rails with this conclusion. See this is what I mean about dangerous teaching. You guys are affirming people to perdition. 1st John chapter 3 is clear.
The sins are paid for if you believed in Christ.
@@antonkoivisto2999 so I can continue to commit adultery and still go to Heaven?
The part of them committing the sin won’t go to heaven : the flesh.
The part of the believer that cannot sin and goes to heaven no matter what : the spirit. The unbeliever does not have the new spirit nature.
Therefore, a believer in Christ goes to heaven based upon his faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing else. Eph. 1:12-14
- Trent
What's hard listening to this isn't that homosexuality is a sin, it's how Romans 1:26 onward relates to people in the modern day. I struggle with this problem and I never did that.
Now if you would only agree that baptism is full immersion in water.
Acts chapter 2 vs 38
Acts chapter 9, 18
Mark 16 verse 16.
1st. Peter 3 vs 21.
Ephesians Chapter 4, 5.
Baptism can be sprinkled on or full immersion in water. It is just an expression of your faith to God
@@Str8Ripper1776
Proper Baptism is total immersion in water.
How is someone who is a practicing lesbian still obtain heaven? I admittedly try to change the word to fit my life but feel convicted. Im soo afraid of going to hell and only want to stop sinning so God will accept me into heaven but is this a work? What if i continued living willfully as a lesbian ..will i go to hell?
Going to heaven isn’t based on what sin or how much sin you commit. Salvation is free to you if you believe Jesus Christ paid for your sin by his death, burial and resurrection.
Yes, we do believe homosexuality is a sin, but that sin was paid like all others.
- Trent
Man im 40 i rember awanas as a kid my mom was one the leaders in it great times i dont see chirches around me doing it anymore
There are a few here and there. It is a fantastic program.
- Trent
@@BibleLine bro it is the best program for kids we had a gym in our church we'd have games in the gym everyone Wednesday when we had awanas. It was best church I ever been to but the church seperated because half the church was against tongues being spoken in the church the other half was for it but the half against it didn't want it spoken in the church because there was no one interpret they said they didn't know if someone could been trying put curses on the church which they was correct the others thought it was just because they thought the others were against it saying it wasn't biblical for this generation was saying that half was going against the scripture was sad day because other then that its was great church but when the pastor sent nt around paper to sign making people agree they wouldn't perform it in church they said they was against the gospel
Pastor Martinez. Where may i submit a question for you ? Thank you,
Mjd Springfield, MO
Email questions@biblelineministries.org
- Trent
Could a person's heart be hardened by God because he repeatedly refused to trust Christ and then not be able to repent and trust Him for salvation because God doesn't want him to be saved?
Or does this apply only to the homosexuals?
Well Bible talks about self-hardening and judicial hardening of the heart. If an unbeliever hardens his or her own heart against God enough then God can at some point "seal the deal" by hardening his or her heart as a just result for his or her unwillingness to repent and trust in Christ Jesus. The sane happened with Pharaoh. God did not harden his heart first, Pharaoh hardened his own heart and then as a result God judicially hardened Pharaoh's heart.
You don't need to do lgbtq sins to be hardened by God. If an unbeliever of any kind refuses to believe in Jesus Christ so, so, so many times, and only God knowd how far is too far, then God may give the person over to his or her ways to indulge in sin
I do not believe there is a point where a person can “never” trust Christ. There is very clearly hardening done by individuals in rejection of the gospel. It will only ever be the individual who is at fault for gardening themselves to not trust in Christ. God does allow the individual to give themselves over to this hardness, but he is ultimately gracious and will save anyone who believes in him; even the homosexual. Notice the point of the video isn’t that homosexuals can’t trust in Christ. They very well can, and we pray they do.
- Trent
There is something I don't understand... _Free Grace_ says you don't turn from sin either before or after conversion. Then why are they preaching against LGBTQ if believers are not required to repent of their sin? Wouldn't preaching about LGBTQ make believers think they need to forsake sins and somehow "make it up" to God?
This is just contradicting of _FGT_
The Bible teaches that no works are required for salvation. No works are required to keep your salvation either.
The Bible does teach (contrary to your view of FGT) that works ARE REQUIRED to 1) Please God in your life, 2) live sanctified, 3) be a disciple, 4) be profitable, 5) win souls, and should I go on?
You’re strawmanning the mess out of our content, and you can’t even see it. You pretend you can measure yourself up against the blood of Christ and succeed in saving yourself.
The only way to have salvation is by believing in Jesus Christ. You on the other hand obviously believe “someone CANT be gay and go to heaven.” Assuming Christ didn’t die for the sin of homosexuality. You put his crucifixion to shame by your beliefs.
- Trent
@@BibleLine no Trent, I am not pretending to "measure myself against the blood of Christ", neither I believe that "gays can't go to heaven". But I am calling out the inconsistencies of _Free Grace Theology_ where on one hand they bring down the hammer on anyone who even suggests that Christians should turn away from sin, and on the other hand FTG expects people to do the right thing. So which one is it Trent? If turning away from sin at any point means "trying to merit one's salvation", then why even contemplate the idea of telling LGBTQ folks to forsake their ways at any point? We wouldn't want our LGBTQ friends to be confused and think they need to turn from sin to be saved or turn from sin after conversion right?
Being fruitful, profitable, and living a godly life are all but optional remember? from our conversation on other videos I told you that Zane Hodges, Bob Wilkin, Fred Lybrand (all FGT) reduce works to being optional. So why burden them with that?
@@BibleLine I have never pretended to "measure myself" against Christ's blood and sacrifice. Neither have I said that "gays can't go to heaven". I am pointing out inconsistencies of _Free Grace Theology_ .
Let me ask you this: is Sanctification guaranteed after conversion or not?
You reduce the entirety of the scriptures to salvation into eternal life.
No sanctification is not guaranteed. It’s commanded, and the believer has everything he needs to live sanctified. You say “optional.” It’s commanded that a believer should live sanctified, but many believers rebel.
Do you have children? Are your children automatically sanctified to your every standard? No apostates in the family? They’d still be your kid, right? Doesn’t mean you tolerate, accept and refuse to challenge/correct the behavior.
In your view, all your kids would be copycats of your standards, or at least they would “slowly grow” to that standard.
God has children whom he expects to stop sinning; yes to stop being gay as well, but many refuse and rebel. They are still his kids though.
- Trent
All sinners must trust Jesus Christ as their Saviour and in doing so he will being to work in their life. First salvation being saved from the debt of sin and the consequences of sin eternal loss, judgement and separation from God in Hell through faith in Jesus Christ and then there's sanctification his Holy Spirit works in our lives to conformed into the image of Christ. One must trust Jesus Christ as their Saviour or be lost forever.
Sorry Pastor new IFB does not teach a continuous sin where God will reject you or you no longer saved. They teach a continuous rejection of God. These people are different from a regular center. They don’t want to retain God and their knowledge and for that cause God gives them up. So you’re right they are the initiator. Jeremiah said it best reprobate silver is what men shall call you for the Lord has rejected you.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
You absolutely cannot.
You can sin in lgbtq wickedness and still be a christian, yes, but Bible and God is never for that lgbtq sins. If a christian sins in those sins he or she should repent or he or she will have horrible consequences on this earth and God may take his or her life
@@NikoFinn I don't mean falling into that sin, I mean living your life practicing it. Christians can fall into egregious sin but if you practice it you are not saved. Read 1st John chapter 3.
Steve, 1 John does not say "practicing sin means you are not saved." Practicing sin is not in the picture. It's sinning or not sinning at all. Look at the Greek. The word for practice is not found... The word is better translated do or commit.
Salvation happens the moment a person believes. They are sealed with the Spirit. The Spirit cannot sin, but the body of flesh always sins. This is the dichotomy presented in 1 John 3. Therefore, as a believer you SHOULD walk in the Spirit, but you still have your nasty flesh. A believer could be LGBT and still go to heaven. The consequences will be chastening and etc... but the consequence is not hellfire... Otherwise you are literally claiming that a person has to be sinless to be saved. God hates lying almost (if not) more than homosexuality... How are you doing there?
- Trent
@@BibleLine not only does 1st John say it, (which you choose to explain away like its just filler or something) but JESUS clearly says it in Matthew 7:23. Word for word as a matter of fact. HE also speaks to the damning nature of sin in Matthew 18:8. (Please don't reply with asking if we should mutilate ourselves, HE means to take drastic action to rid yourself of it)
I've said this to you before and I'll say it again, there is a difference between the sin that lives in us (our old nature, which we overcome by the SPIRIT ) and us living in sin (ongoing, unrepentant, willful.)
I get the feeling you might have an issue with lying. Before GOD gave me victory over pornography, I projected my struggle with it on all other men, imagining that they too were defeated in this area. I can't take credit for it, but GOD has given me victory over lying as well, not that I believe I will never lie again, but it's not a struggle for me. I desire with all my heart to live a life that honors HIM and HE has granted that to me. (Not perfection but victory) What's funny is, it's more controversial in Christian circles to claim you're living in victory than to admit you're living in sin. That's why the church is losing the culture war. Most are no different from the world. We're supposed to be salt and light....
salt preserves and light dispels darkness, but our culture is dark and decayed, and it can be attributed in part to what you guys teach. You've done away with the fear of the LORD, by which we depart from evil, and are affirming the unregenerate to continue in the sin that's leading them to perdition, GOD have mercy on your souls. Mark these words!: you will one day be aghast to find out you were wrong on this issue and that you twisted the clear teaching of Scripture by beginning with a presupposition and bent HIS words to fit your narrative (eisegesis) I pray GOD reveals the truth to you before it's too late, both for your sake as well as those who hear you.
These guys have some solid teachings on the bible but their take on free grace is way off. Its like they learned from a brother of John Calvin who didnt teach the tulip god but taught something else based on John 3:16 and twisted it absolutely brutally and than started taking other scriptures to fit their theology. Even my 14 old sees just how much this is in error just like she saw how hertical reformed theolgy...tulip god..is an attack on the character of the true God and thus creating a different god just like jws and mormons.
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