This is a trending subject Greg💪 From my experience with stem cells(sorry for the long read): Had a skiing accident in Jan 2023. Damaged the meniscus, damaged all 4 ligaments, completely tore the ACL. The cartlidge was crushed and the pieces were all over the knee. After a good week of research I found out that in 2022, brand new surgery practice was introduced. Instead of standard practices of using a cadaver from a deceased person, or a tendon from your own body, this surgery has them putting stem cells in your knee. Those stem cells eventually turn into cells they were programmed to be. In my case, they put cartlidge and ligament cells. First 2 months was bedridden, lost a lot of mass, especially in the lower body, due to inactivity, but now it’s been almost a year, and the recovery has been steady. I’ve been able to compete in a torunament already by June. 5 months after the accident. To elaborate on standard surgeries, the 2 main types, used all over the world: Cadaver surgeries are notorious for their complications, since not always, cadaver fits well into your body. There is a pretty high chance of rejections, infections and etc. The second type, the surgery, using your own ligament from another body area is pretty much injuring one body part, while repairing another body part. These types of surgeries are being performed all over all over the world, but soon they could be very well replaced by stems cell surgeries. My opinion on stem cells is very positive. The controvercy and somewhat slow adoption comes from a point that healthcare is a huge business and you rather fix someone up 5 times and put him on medications, than completely fix the issue and lose on your money. With the USA being a country spending more than $15 K per capita per year on healthcare, a lot of people won’t be happy to lose such a big piece of a pie. At this point public perception on the matter is much more welcoming, than the perception of the government regulators. ))
I’m so happy to hear about your recovery and good experience with stem cell therapy so far. May you continue to have good health, Turan! Currently, do you see any potential for abuse for this kind of treatment? For example, someone who is not necessarily suffering from a major injury, but is just using stem cells long term to boost their recovery levels?
@@EastsideArmWrestling Thank you very much Greg 🙏 I think we are still scraping the surface. Both in terms of benefits and disadvantages. We know that It is proven that stem cells help. For now, it is hard for me to imagine, how an athlete can abuse the stem cell use. I’ve heard/read about malpractices, with the stem cells getting rejected, causing inflamations. But that usually doesn’t happen when you work with knowledgeable specialists.
Like with every new silver bullet treatment, one has to be very cautious about potential long term effects. On paper if seem pretty good, but I'll wait a few more years before considering it safe and effective ;)
100% agree. It looks promising and has the potential to help a LOT of people, but I feel like what’s out in the market right now is a little too early.
Stem cell therapy has been confirmed safe and effective for 10 plus years now , multimillionaire athletes aren’t going to do something that compromises their health , lebron is constantly getting stem cell treatment to keep his ligaments strong
Thanks once again man! 😅 haha, I’m not sure how interesting it would be for people to watch me try to get jacked. But you did bring up a very interesting topic - hypertrophy for arm wrestling. It’s something I’ve always discussed with my students, but I don’t see being talked about in the arm wrestling circle much. Will definitely try to make a video on this topic in the future. Thanks for the idea 💡
@EastsideArmWrestling I talk about it all the time, and I'm scoffed at as if it's taboo to get bigger muscles. Hypertrophy should be talked about more in armwrestling. At the end of the day. It is a strength sport. You need to peak and building muscle is part of it.
@@Jdm5299 Exactly. In many arm wrestling circles, it’s almost like doing bodybuilding-style training is laughed at. People think just because it’s a strength sport that only strength training is important, which is not the case.
@EastsideArmWrestling every strength sport has a basis of hypertrophy/bodybuilding training. If more armwrestlers did that type of training, there would be fewer injuries and better ROM for their muscles and tendons. I just finished a comp, and now I'm going through a hypertrophy phase until I have to peak again. Armwrestlers compete too much and train too much. The training methods hold the sport back.
Slight corrections: 1. Mesechymal stem cells do not differentiate into new tissues. Instead they release exosomes to signal the body to repair. That makes them immuno-privillaged. 2. The spinal tumor case you outlined are from embryonic stem cells. They have a tendency to multiply out of a control. 3. Mesechymal stem cells from Wharton Jelly in theory adheres to the FDA rules. They just can't be multiplied and expanded in a lab unlike clinics in Mexico.
Thanks for the additional details. Could you expand on point number 3 regarding adherence to FDA ruling? And with that knowledge in mind, do you think that stem cell therapies should/should not be restricted for competitive use?
@@EastsideArmWrestling The use of human tissue based products need to adhere to the two criterions of minimal manipulation and homologous use. As long as the cells aren't being multiplied in a lab it should adhere to minimal manipulation. The homologous use criteria is a bit unclear, it states that the tissue can only be used for repair, reconstruction, replacement, or supplementation of a recipient’s cells or tissues. There's an argument to be made that adult stem cells adhere to that, because we already have them in our own body. It's however unclear. Stem cell clinics in the US that offer wharton jelly derived stem cells are in my opinion treading the grey area of legality. The FDA has more or less been turning a blind eye to them.
@@KevinLuWX Thanks for the detailed explanation man. Pretty much confirmed the hunches I had regarding this gray area. I guess only time will tell how this pans out on a wider scale. I for one am totally for the use for therapeutic purposes. Though, I can see how this technology can be abused (like any other thing).
The FDA has issued explicit guidance in the last few years that companies like Vitacell Biologics are operating illegally. These stem cell and exosomal products are not allowed to be marketed and used in the way they are. The FDA has made it clear because of the “gray area” in interpretation that existed, now all these companies are doing as much as they can bedsore they are shut down. The FDA has issued a broad warning but their enforcement has lagged behind, however they have sent out dozens of warning letters to companies just like Vitacell demanding that they cease operation. this is all publically available on the FDA website. Vitacell is knowingly operating illegally and deliberately misleading consumers that their treatments are FDA approved. I can go much more in depth
Thanks so much Jevgenij 🙏 your kind words are very encouraging for a small channel like me. I promise to keep working hard to make better and better videos.
If a person can afford it, I believe they have the full right to relieve their life of chronic pain. Rich assholes will be rich assholes. But as this form of treatment gets more researched, there's a chance it might also become more accessible and much safer. As far as sports go, we don't see fresh nobodies abusing stem cells, like it's often done with PEDs. We see legends with a lot of mileage getting their broken bodies fixed.
That’s a very valid angle to take! Although, as it gets more researched, more accessible, and cheaper, I can imagine it start to become more widespread also. If it does reach that stage, do you think it should be restricted? Perhaps it can be accepted under therapeutic use exemption (TUE), such as how TRT can be used currently. But of course, this can very easily be abused as well. My main concern is if this can be used as a way to have almost “superhuman” healing on a long-term basis. But ultimately, I think people are going to do whatever it takes. And that’s something we just have to accept.
@@EastsideArmWrestling We should restrict it, if we find negative effects, consistent with overuse. For example, the tumor in the senior man's spine. Otherwise, I don't see a reason to limit it. It'd be like restricting the amount of physiotherapy an athlete can get before getting banned. People who can't get to the top won't get there with stem cells. The treatment only fixes what's already there, but has been damaged. Also, top athletes use a wide array of dangerous substances. Prohibiting stem cells would be like raiding a heroin addict's home and only taking their soda.
Rich people get better treatment, this is obviously everywhere the case. Since it is no doping and more or less a healthcare treatment, I dont see a problem with it. That armwrestlers seem to especially benefit from it helps the sport more than it damages the fair competition. The super-elite level will always find sponsors to get treatment or they have contracts with enough payments. These are my thoughts but I still understand your point of view, if the treatment would be much cheaper, it would be better for everyone.
I have no issue with using it as a healthcare treatment! However, the problem I’m thinking is when people who are not really “suffering” still take it just for the enhanced recovery it offers. Similar to how IV drips past a certain point are restricted by WADA, I think eventually there needs to be some control for this too.
Wow it's impressive how stem cells (could) make arm wrestling a little bit ,,pay to win". But I don't think that the difference is that huge. If you have pain because of an injury then it makes a huge difference for you to get rid of that pain and heal up but if someone is healthy and does stem cells, then the benefit will be very small and not worth the money anyway.
Maybe if every subscriber donates $1 to me I can get 1 injection 😂 Jokes aside, I don’t think I will be getting stem cell treatment anytime soon because of: 1) How expensive it is and 2) Not enough knowledge about the topic yet.
This is a trending subject Greg💪 From my experience with stem cells(sorry for the long read):
Had a skiing accident in Jan 2023. Damaged the meniscus, damaged all 4 ligaments, completely tore the ACL. The cartlidge was crushed and the pieces were all over the knee.
After a good week of research I found out that in 2022, brand new surgery practice was introduced. Instead of standard practices of using a cadaver from a deceased person, or a tendon from your own body, this surgery has them putting stem cells in your knee. Those stem cells eventually turn into cells they were programmed to be. In my case, they put cartlidge and ligament cells. First 2 months was bedridden, lost a lot of mass, especially in the lower body, due to inactivity, but now it’s been almost a year, and the recovery has been steady. I’ve been able to compete in a torunament already by June. 5 months after the accident.
To elaborate on standard surgeries, the 2 main types, used all over the world:
Cadaver surgeries are notorious for their complications, since not always, cadaver fits well into your body. There is a pretty high chance of rejections, infections and etc.
The second type, the surgery, using your own ligament from another body area is pretty much injuring one body part, while repairing another body part.
These types of surgeries are being performed all over all over the world, but soon they could be very well replaced by stems cell surgeries.
My opinion on stem cells is very positive. The controvercy and somewhat slow adoption comes from a point that healthcare is a huge business and you rather fix someone up 5 times and put him on medications, than completely fix the issue and lose on your money. With the USA being a country spending more than $15 K per capita per year on healthcare, a lot of people won’t be happy to lose such a big piece of a pie. At this point public perception on the matter is much more welcoming, than the perception of the government regulators. ))
I’m so happy to hear about your recovery and good experience with stem cell therapy so far. May you continue to have good health, Turan!
Currently, do you see any potential for abuse for this kind of treatment? For example, someone who is not necessarily suffering from a major injury, but is just using stem cells long term to boost their recovery levels?
@@EastsideArmWrestling
Thank you very much Greg 🙏
I think we are still scraping the surface. Both in terms of benefits and disadvantages. We know that It is proven that stem cells help.
For now, it is hard for me to imagine, how an athlete can abuse the stem cell use. I’ve heard/read about malpractices, with the stem cells getting rejected, causing inflamations. But that usually doesn’t happen when you work with knowledgeable specialists.
Like with every new silver bullet treatment, one has to be very cautious about potential long term effects. On paper if seem pretty good, but I'll wait a few more years before considering it safe and effective ;)
It's "Save and effective" don't worry :-)))
100% agree. It looks promising and has the potential to help a LOT of people, but I feel like what’s out in the market right now is a little too early.
Stem cell therapy has been confirmed safe and effective for 10 plus years now , multimillionaire athletes aren’t going to do something that compromises their health , lebron is constantly getting stem cell treatment to keep his ligaments strong
Great video! Would love to see you do a series where you go through a long hypertrophy phase for armwrestling!
Thanks once again man!
😅 haha, I’m not sure how interesting it would be for people to watch me try to get jacked. But you did bring up a very interesting topic - hypertrophy for arm wrestling. It’s something I’ve always discussed with my students, but I don’t see being talked about in the arm wrestling circle much.
Will definitely try to make a video on this topic in the future. Thanks for the idea 💡
@EastsideArmWrestling I talk about it all the time, and I'm scoffed at as if it's taboo to get bigger muscles. Hypertrophy should be talked about more in armwrestling. At the end of the day. It is a strength sport. You need to peak and building muscle is part of it.
@@Jdm5299 Exactly. In many arm wrestling circles, it’s almost like doing bodybuilding-style training is laughed at. People think just because it’s a strength sport that only strength training is important, which is not the case.
@EastsideArmWrestling every strength sport has a basis of hypertrophy/bodybuilding training. If more armwrestlers did that type of training, there would be fewer injuries and better ROM for their muscles and tendons. I just finished a comp, and now I'm going through a hypertrophy phase until I have to peak again. Armwrestlers compete too much and train too much. The training methods hold the sport back.
The new cost-cap to elite armwrestling
😂 P2W now?
Slight corrections:
1. Mesechymal stem cells do not differentiate into new tissues. Instead they release exosomes to signal the body to repair. That makes them immuno-privillaged.
2. The spinal tumor case you outlined are from embryonic stem cells. They have a tendency to multiply out of a control.
3. Mesechymal stem cells from Wharton Jelly in theory adheres to the FDA rules. They just can't be multiplied and expanded in a lab unlike clinics in Mexico.
Thanks for the additional details.
Could you expand on point number 3 regarding adherence to FDA ruling? And with that knowledge in mind, do you think that stem cell therapies should/should not be restricted for competitive use?
@@EastsideArmWrestling The use of human tissue based products need to adhere to the two criterions of minimal manipulation and homologous use. As long as the cells aren't being multiplied in a lab it should adhere to minimal manipulation. The homologous use criteria is a bit unclear, it states that the tissue can only be used for repair, reconstruction, replacement, or supplementation of a
recipient’s cells or tissues. There's an argument to be made that adult stem cells adhere to that, because we already have them in our own body. It's however unclear.
Stem cell clinics in the US that offer wharton jelly derived stem cells are in my opinion treading the grey area of legality. The FDA has more or less been turning a blind eye to them.
@@KevinLuWX Thanks for the detailed explanation man. Pretty much confirmed the hunches I had regarding this gray area.
I guess only time will tell how this pans out on a wider scale. I for one am totally for the use for therapeutic purposes. Though, I can see how this technology can be abused (like any other thing).
The FDA has issued explicit guidance in the last few years that companies like Vitacell Biologics are operating illegally. These stem cell and exosomal products are not allowed to be marketed and used in the way they are. The FDA has made it clear because of the “gray area” in interpretation that existed, now all these companies are doing as much as they can bedsore they are shut down. The FDA has issued a broad warning but their enforcement has lagged behind, however they have sent out dozens of warning letters to companies just like Vitacell demanding that they cease operation. this is all publically available on the FDA website. Vitacell is knowingly operating illegally and deliberately misleading consumers that their treatments are FDA approved. I can go much more in depth
Your videos are gold, thank you
Thanks so much Jevgenij 🙏 your kind words are very encouraging for a small channel like me. I promise to keep working hard to make better and better videos.
@@EastsideArmWrestling your work is impressive, have a good luck!
If a person can afford it, I believe they have the full right to relieve their life of chronic pain. Rich assholes will be rich assholes. But as this form of treatment gets more researched, there's a chance it might also become more accessible and much safer. As far as sports go, we don't see fresh nobodies abusing stem cells, like it's often done with PEDs. We see legends with a lot of mileage getting their broken bodies fixed.
That’s a very valid angle to take! Although, as it gets more researched, more accessible, and cheaper, I can imagine it start to become more widespread also. If it does reach that stage, do you think it should be restricted?
Perhaps it can be accepted under therapeutic use exemption (TUE), such as how TRT can be used currently. But of course, this can very easily be abused as well.
My main concern is if this can be used as a way to have almost “superhuman” healing on a long-term basis.
But ultimately, I think people are going to do whatever it takes. And that’s something we just have to accept.
@@EastsideArmWrestling We should restrict it, if we find negative effects, consistent with overuse. For example, the tumor in the senior man's spine.
Otherwise, I don't see a reason to limit it. It'd be like restricting the amount of physiotherapy an athlete can get before getting banned.
People who can't get to the top won't get there with stem cells. The treatment only fixes what's already there, but has been damaged.
Also, top athletes use a wide array of dangerous substances. Prohibiting stem cells would be like raiding a heroin addict's home and only taking their soda.
@@glorytoukraine5524 😂 haha, I love the last example you gave, hilarious but also accurate.
Rich people get better treatment, this is obviously everywhere the case. Since it is no doping and more or less a healthcare treatment, I dont see a problem with it. That armwrestlers seem to especially benefit from it helps the sport more than it damages the fair competition. The super-elite level will always find sponsors to get treatment or they have contracts with enough payments. These are my thoughts but I still understand your point of view, if the treatment would be much cheaper, it would be better for everyone.
I have no issue with using it as a healthcare treatment! However, the problem I’m thinking is when people who are not really “suffering” still take it just for the enhanced recovery it offers.
Similar to how IV drips past a certain point are restricted by WADA, I think eventually there needs to be some control for this too.
Wow it's impressive how stem cells (could) make arm wrestling a little bit ,,pay to win". But I don't think that the difference is that huge. If you have pain because of an injury then it makes a huge difference for you to get rid of that pain and heal up but if someone is healthy and does stem cells, then the benefit will be very small and not worth the money anyway.
That’s a great nuanced take! I honestly do hope that what you described is the reality is. Only time will tell!
I wonder what happens if someone takes stem cells in the brain.
LOL tumor gains perhaps? Honestly not too sure…
@@EastsideArmWrestling I was expecting something like the movie Limitless.
Are you talking about embryonical or adult stem cells?
Both, really. Referring to stem cell therapy as a whole concept.
Great video! Are you looking to stem cell therapy for your wrist?
Maybe if every subscriber donates $1 to me I can get 1 injection 😂
Jokes aside, I don’t think I will be getting stem cell treatment anytime soon because of: 1) How expensive it is and 2) Not enough knowledge about the topic yet.
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Yeah buddy~ welcome all the trans humans to armwrestling! 🫶
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