After a few longer runs including a 195km/16000m+ multiday adventure I'm still undecided on how to feel about this pack. This pack runs really big in my opinion. I have a M/L Adv Skin 12lt pack from a few year ago that fits me perfectly. With this pack (in size S/M) despite sinching it down to the max the fit is not 100% confortable. The water bottle pouches are better in comparison to my Adv Skin but the front pockets are disappointingly very small and not forgiving. The left clip near the hip belt attachment visible at 3:47 popped off on the first use because of poor stitching and I had to sew it back on (first time having quality control issues with Salomon products). After 8h on the trails the pack at almost full capacity (around 6-7kg) started being very heavy on my shoulders causing bruises which I believe is from the awkward fit. Love the WP main compartment and the posterior cangaroo pouch. I would love 2 mesh side pockets like on hiking pack to carry 2 extra water bottles instead of using a water bladder (failed on me several times). So in conclusion I believe the pack has a huge huge potential but comes a bit short on delivery.
That's good feedback! That stitching issue sounds like something you may want to warranty, as it's pretty clearly a manufacturing defect. I agree that the pockets could be a little bigger on the front though, perhaps more like my old S-Lab Peak 20.
I would be interested in a gear list aswell. How you manage the hydration side with this pack (only 2 soft flasks, water bladder etc.) would be nice to know. Rewatching the gear and reading on the Salomon webpage I'm not quite sure which loop is designated axe holder. A random of the posterior drawstrings?
Your timing could not be better! I just got this pack this morning and I was trying to figure out exactly how all the tiny straps worked. Now I know. Thanks Dude!
I recently found even more straps hidden away inside those little open pockets on the front. You can strap your poles vertically to the front of the pack with them instead of across your chest like I showed in the video.
Great review. Im just toying with the idea of doing a 5 night fast packing adventure next year in the UK and this is the second recommendation for this pack I’ve seen.
I got this exact same pack after scanning the market for long, and I agree that salomon nailed a groundgreaking gear. The waterproof might not sound as a necessity to many but for multi day outings the likelyhood of rain climbs up and putting everything in trashbags is far from convenient/reliable so it is real value that could hardly be found anywhere. I must add that this pack compresses extremely well thanks to the lacing so that it works fine at 10L. It is also perfect for "grocery training" that is training with grocery resupply along the way ;) or running to work... An important point on this bag is the price that remains affordable compared to the Peak model ! Initially I bought it for solo unsuported multiday outings but I found myself reducing the package down to a point where my 12L packs proved enough. That was on a 96h mission around the Ecrins with alpine bonuses over the GR. The reason is that I had no sleeping bag just a puffy and space blancket bivibag with a klymit matress for nights of 3 4h in valley bottoms. BUT this pack will be perfect for my 2022 project that is "Duo Des Cimes" on Echapée Belle across Belledonne (120km, 11kD+) along a special course that implies lots of off trail, alpine terrain, snowfield and ridges with only 6 refuges for food refill. For that we are required to carry a helmet, a harness, proper via ferrata "longe" and alpine style crampons... All that gear seems excessive to me but that's the French State approach to safety. Needless to say that even with lightest gear it makes this bag a necessity for its comfy back and volume. Loïc From France, quite a fan of your channel.
@@JeffPelletier yeah it is aside the utmb crowd but this event is bubling in the ultra alpine trail niche in France. We will have François D'Haenne coming back for this special edition...
Nothing beats the Instinct XX 20-24L for fastpacking and multi-day adventures. It has so many smart features and accommodates 750ml+ bottles in the front pockets which is very handy for long adventures. Ian Corless has a great review on it.
love my out day pack. and wish it had the better vest style. this xa would be perfect if they added side pockets. Also adding at least one hip pocket would be. awesome. even if it was removable
Fantastic review . The sizing is very generous . I’m not a slim build and M/L is possibly too large . In comparison I need XL for the Salomon advance skin 12 . I’m keeping it though for any unforeseen fluctuations in weight and also for any other layers I may use . The pack feels great and fits around the body just as good as the advanced skin running vests . Can’t wait to use it .
Hi Jeff - great video, any chance you could do a video on what you pack on the multi day trips? Keen to understand the compromise you strike between comfort items and weight. Love your work and thanks for the great content👍.
Excellent review! Superb backpack, but Salomon is hiding informations about it's proper use like eastereggs ... now I'm sure it was the right decision to buy it!
Great video. Ended up going for the M/L because my gf said I look bigger (fatter) than you :D Just finished 2 days fast-packing in Spain's Picos de Europa national park. Just like expected, Salomon's quality shows. The front pockets compete with the water bottle pockets for space, but easy enough to manage.
Thanks for the review - It's been hard to find much info on the pack. Looks like I'll be needing a medium based on the video. I bought two of the 35L packs S/M & M/L to test out & returned both, because the fit on the hip belt was huge. Looks like salomon made a good pack, but the sizing is way to big for the average runner. At a 32" waist i couldn't even get the hip belt tight 35L
@@JeffPelletier There doesn't seem to be a slot for a reservoir tube from it's pocket/holder through to the shoulder straps. Am I missing it? Thank you.
I haven’t tried a bladder yet myself in this pack, but there appears to be a hole in the bottom which I’d imagine is designed for the hose. There’s at least one loop on the front that must be designed to hold the hose in place near the sternum.
@@JeffPelletier Thanks Jeff. The hole at the bottom of the bag is for reservoir leaks/overflow. I've contacted Salomon. This is a major design flaw, as the tube and suck valve have to hand upside down when treading it through the top of the bag.
@@TheRunningArtistBruceKatlin ah you're right. Just tested it out, and it looks like the hose is meant to run up and over your shoulder and through the one loop near the sternum. This is similar to the way most larger packs are designed, so perhaps it's a factor of size. My girlfriend's Ultimate Direction 30L is the same.
Great review. You mention ice axe holder at 2:28 - How do you place the ice axe on this bag? Also, would you have a tip how to carry climbing helmet on the pack? I'm trying to make this backpack work for some alpine stuff but because of these shortcomings, I'll probably use Blue Ice Reach 20.
It turns out that was a feature which was removed from the production model, but still left in the description for the pack. For alpine use, I'd probably look at a different option :)
It’s unfortunate they discontinued this. Any ideas why? More importantly, given your connections, do you know / can you share whether they have something in the works for fastpacking? Thanks for all the great info you share here!
Hey Clynton, they haven’t actually discontinued it (to my knowledge). But they seem to remove products from the website whenever they’re out of stock. I’d hope to see more inventory soon though..
This was a great review and convinced me to buy it but it looks like it was discontinued. Why do outdoor companies do this? Seems like the gear everyone raves about always gets discontinued or modified in a bad way.
Disappointing the sizing is badly implemented, I’ve been sold on this pack since I first saw the adjustment and closing systems, a perfect bag for what I’m seeking. Im 5’9 with 28 waist, from what I can guess from the consistent complaints I’ve seen about sizing I guess I can assume it’s not for me. Let’s hope they fix this in the next model!
Would love to see your packing strategy for this. I have a lot of similar gear, and have fitment issues with this pack. I'm sure I am just doing something wrong, I am new to ultralight. It would be epic to see a video on your thoughts of how you choose gear for a video, and practically, where you make it all fit in the pack.
@@JeffPelletier Sweet! Thanks. An easy question would be, where in your XA25 does your WM Summerlite end up? I have been shoving mine in the bottom, then everything else on top. I unfortunately need a bear canister where I am (not a ursack) and I found a really small one, but it still takes up space. Other than that, funny enough, we have almost exactly the same gear. I have a Summerlite, a comparable bad from Nemo, Toaks pot, pocket rocket, same jackets, base layers, water filters. The difference may just be the bear canister.
I really like this pack butI am disappointed that it does not come in women-specific sizes. I usually wear a Women's XS in the Ultimate Direction packs. Will Salomon be looking to offer this pack in more women-specific sizes? Is there a similar Salomon pack that has more sizing options? Great review and video!
Hey Jennifer, it sounds like Salomon plans to further develop this line in the not-too-distant future, yep. Unfortunately, not much else available from Salomon at this capacity. You may want to consider the FastpackHER line from Ultimate Direction which is quite popular among my women friends, although it sounds like maybe you already have: geni.us/WUEXk
Just ordered this backpack as my 12 litre running vest is really pushing it when having to carry extra stuff like a harness and via ferrata gear etc. With the new corona rules on mountain huts and having to carry more stuff for overnight stays this seems to be the perfect size. Interesting that you're having issues with the sizing too. I also went for the larger one (like my running vest) but wasn't quite happy with it. Waiting for the smaller one to arrive now. Let's see... I'm not 100% sure yet I like the closing mechanism of the roll top yet compared to a traditional roll top...
I’d be interested to hear how the smaller one fits for you compared to the first you tried! I’ve never really owned any other roll-too packs, only those that cinch down, but so far that’s my favorite feature of the pack. I could even see attaching extra things under that top strap in a pinch like a sleeping pad.
Hi Jeff, Interesting video. A flaw that I see in this backpack is the impossibility of storing the smartphone in the front because the pockets are too narrow. Do you agree? Where do you keep it to have it at hand, to take photos or check the track?
It’s indeed difficult to store a phone securely. I typically now supplement my packs with a belt to store my GoPro and phone, something like the Salomon Pulse Belt: geni.us/3QAvBm
Nice review Jeff. I'm looking at options for a new pack sometime in the near future. I recently took my Osprey Talon 33 on a fastpacking trip in Wales (UK) which I filmed for my UA-cam channel. Not a bad pack but wouldn't mind something with running in mind. However, with my current gear I think 25l is a little small. As I upgrade my kit and get smaller and lighter gear, maybe something like this will be the way to go. However, I do also want to think about the possibility that my camera equipment may start to take up more room as I have really been enjoying learning the how to film outdoor adventure videos.
Thanks Peter. The Osprey packs seem to be pretty standard for many ultra-light hikers, but they're definitely not designed for running as you say. I hear you about the size of 25L being a tight fit - it's so hard to find that balance between weight, volume, comfort and price.
Great review and I love your videos, Jeff! Quick question: Is this bag big enough for overnights, packing ultralight tent & sleeping bag in addition to the usual gear? Contemplating the XA 25 or 35, or Ultimate Direction's new Fastpack 30....
Thanks Xavier! Use it for 2-3 day trips with a tent split between two people. The new UD 30 looks like a great option though too, in case you need a little more space..
Jeff, I just recently discovered your channel and have watched like 30 videos in less than a week, really great stuff! Quick question: I’m interested in the versatility of the Salomon XA 25 not only for fastpacking & winter trail adventures but also a possible run commuter pack where I would carry a change of clothes, shoes, laptop and lunch. Would this work well for this 3rd purpose or would something like the xa 15 work better? I currently have the UD15 but am not sold on the load feel. Thanks for your thoughts and for cranking out such compelling content! Excited for Namib day 3!
Thanks Josh! I think it would work well as a commuting pack, although it may be a little big. It kind of depends on how much stuff you need to carry. If it’s just a change of clothes then something like a 15L would probably work better, but if you want it for fastpacking then you may as well go bigger.
You think it could fit a light tent, sleeping bag and mat, gas stove, food etc for a 3-4 day fastpack adventure in rather warm weather? Maybe i should go to a shop with all my gear and just try :)
4 days is pushing it - I find this setup works for 2-3 days max worth of food, including either a bivy or half a tent (splitting a 2-person tent between two). So ideally, you’d resupply half way though a 5-day hike.
@Jeff Pelletier Thanks for the nice review! Exactly what i was looking for. You were talking about an ice axe holder. How do you mount your ice axes on this pack?
Hello, I really don't find the ice axe holder in this pack... I mean the one below, to hold the pick. Could you show us where it is? Thanks! Great review!
Anybody know if this would be a good scrambling pack? I like how light it is and no frame so it could stow in an pack for the approach. But I'm not sure if it could carry some more technical gear for certain missions like rope, helmet, ice axe, etc.
I have used this bag with a bit of alpine gear and it works up to some point : -helmet is best on the head, avoid bouncing and increase safety In my opinion -Iceaxe sits fine if short (45cm) otherwis the vest carry makes it peak in the back of your head. -The rope It is ok thank to the top buckle (but it blocks acces to main volume like most babs). - climbing gear can clip on side fitting straps that are regular 20mm so really solid, a pain if you run... - harness can be kept on the body if light and comfy My concern would be about the fabric that is far from the thick ones used in alpinism bags, this might lead to some repair...
Looks great Jeff, nice review! I'm with you on a lot of points, but I'd have to test that hip belt to see if it's worth it. What's the weight capacity I wonder?
Thanks Jeremy! I’m not sure what the weight limit would be, but in my experience once you start pushing past 16-17 pounds you’re not really running anyway. Goal should probably be 13 or less, which this pack handles fine.
For the Tahoe Rim Trail I was at about 12 lbs base weight for three days, including crampons and some other cold weather gear (check out my video on that). I found that was as heavy as I’d ever want to go when trying to run, once you add in food and some water. My goal is sub-10 base weight in the summer though. Even with expendibles that should keep me under 13 or less, especially for one-nighters. I’ve decided fastpacking doesn’t work in the winter 😅
I actually used my Slab Peak 20 for TOR. 15 might be a little tight, given the winter gear you’re required to carry, but 25 would actually be a little big. So I’d maybe go for the 15 in this case unless you see needing the much larger pack for future adventures.
Thanks Paul. This can really depend on the weather/altitude and length of trip, as well as whether I'm sharing a tent, stove, etc. with another person. I'd say somewhere between 4-6 kg on average.
I discovered your channel recently and love your videos ! Cheers from a fellow Vancouver hiker :) Is this bag waterproof ? Can I use it in the usual BC rain ?
Thanks! It’s water resistant but not fully waterproof. So like with any pack, I’d recommend lining the inside with a garbage bag if you’re worried about rain.
I tried it on a local 65m course as prep for moab and it worked really well. It stayed compact and mostly stationary. I need to figure out how best to protect shoulders and probably will put rock tape or something to make it better on a fully loaded pack. I saw that you hold your poles in the front and they were moving back and forth while running. Any other ways to hold the poles? Thanks for the recommendation and happy with it.
Hey, thanks for sharing your experience! I actually use tape myself whenever wearing a big pack, both on the shoulders and lower back. I started holding my poles differently than what I showed in the video - I now strap them vertically on the front which holds them better in place. There’s another loop sort of hidden in the little open pockets in the front near the shoulders.
Hey Jeff, thanks for sharing this. Im looking to fast pack / run the TMB with some friends next summer and need something runnable but also with space to carry lightweight sleeping bag, layers, etc. Would you recommend this pack for that or would you jump up to the 35?
There is. It's a separate pocket in-between the main pack and the back panel. I'm assuming it would fit Salomon's standard 1.5L bladder just fine, although I've yet to test it. I'm not a fan of using a bladder myself.
Jeff Pelletier I get dehydrated very easy - heavy salty sweater. Usually need 3L on a long outing 4-5 hours. I live in desert so no options for filling up on m runs.
Ah, yea the desert is a different ballgame. You could probably do 1.5L in the back along with 1L in the front two flasks, and possibly even a third flask secured along the top of the pack. Just note that the pack only comes with two flasks and not the bladder.
I tested it with a 1.5lt bladder. It works fine if the pack is not fully loaded. With a fully loaded pack taking out, refilling the bladder and putting it back in is a real struggle because of the items in the main compartment pushing on the bladder pocket.
@@hoosierdaddy70 As a fellow sweaty desert-dweller I'm happy to say that the pack easily accommodates my 3l reservoir. It's extremely comfortable with 1l in the front water bottles and 1.5 l in the reservoir but I tried it with the full 3l in the reservoir and it's still very doable, though not the most comfortable thing. I will say that I got a M/L despite being 5'8 and I think the extra space helps the fit with a full bladder. The only downside is that the backsweat is insane. Not sure if it's just part and parcel to vest-style packs as this is my first or if it's this pack in particular. It's actually to a point where I'm needing to consumer more water for the same amount of effort so I haven't decided yet if I should keep it.
Thanks Jeff it helped me a lot. But i supose this is not working with my hydrapak? I need this space for a bag but i also need space for my hydrapak reservoar on 3l.
I can confirm it does fit with a full 3L hydrapak and standard day-hike kit, but it does sacrifice some comfort. Once you drink it down to the 1.5-2l mark it will be very comfortable though.
I’ve found that any pack with a large load will want to move. The key is that it moves with you and doesn’t cause any problems. There’s simply no way to carry 15-18 pounds of gear and not have it want to move up and down as you run, the physics don’t allow for anything else.
@@JeffPelletier I agree, there is always some movement. I think the connection of the pack to the front is missing. It is only connected at the back. Therefore is no pulling at the top towards the front part. At your Namibia 3 Episode you can see that some packs which have this, are much less moving.
Ah yes, I see what you mean - the white Raidlight packs have the load levellers on the shoulders which might help to cinch things down a bit. That’s definitely something the Salomon pack lacks, is much in the way of customizing fit.
@@JeffPelletier I noticed this as well in your Namibia Ep 3 (BTW such excellent storytelling and videography). Did any of your fellow runners make any comments (pos or neg) about the Raidlight Revolutiv 24?
Based on your experience, which backpack would you consider as better, when those 3 additional liters wouldn’t be an issue? XA25 or Slab Peak? I’m running Tor des Geants this year and looking for the best choice on the market. Thank you in advance for your feedback
For TOR, I used the Slab Peak and would probably recommend doing the same. 25L would be overkill, and the Peak has some additional adjustments and pockets that make it more suitable for racing.
Looks like a nice size upgrade from AdvSkin12 which is starting to become a little tight. Placed an order on REI and will update after trying it out at Moab240
Thanks for the review! Im thinking of TMB 5 days fastpacking, with my own sleep system, wont be bringing food and stove/gas - will be relying on food at refuges/villages, so my carrying weight will be around 4kg (without water/pack). Not sure if Im going to fit into xa 25. What do you think is the weight limit for xa25? If I attached 1p tent and pad to the sides, I think I shoud be fine fitting into 25 L, also its will probbaly be looking as a ball :) I would normally take my osprey exos 38, but it will be overkill for 4kg of load probably. Cheers Ed
It looks like it moves around quite a bit while you’re running and seems like it’s center of balance is kinda far away from your back. Have you noticed these things to be a problem at all?
Jeff, fantastic video as always! I wanted to ask 2 questions. 1. Would you consider making a video about HOW you pack your kit into the bag in terms of accessibility, balance, etc. kind of merging your kit video with the pack video. 2. Regarding your comments on the XA 35… I’m finding that my base weight is quite low, but my volume is high. For instance, I just can’t sleep in a bivy, but my tent weighs less than your bivy (but takes up a lot more space). Would you consider the 35 a good solution? Thanks!
Thanks Sam. Yes, I've had it on my list for a while now to make a video about how I pack my kit - there are definitely some best practices and tricks. The XA 35 would probably give you the flexibility you need. I'm hoping to get my hands on one myself soon for a big run I have planned in the fall that will require me to carry a bear canister.
Hey Aleix, yea there is a spot for up to a 2L bladder inside the main compartment. But this will detract from the rest of the storage space. So you’d have to factor this in when it comes to planning and packing your gear
Hi Jeff! I've just bought the latest version from the Salomon website, don't think there is much difference. Just wondering, have you ever tried attaching an ice axe to it? It seems like it is missing a loop at the bottom of the bag for the head of the axe.
You’ve gotta use the bungee straps at the bottom which I personally find a little risky. I’ve got a plastic cover for the blade of my axe though fortunately to avoid the risk of cutting those.
This video is quite old, but I have used it a lot for running since then (probably about 2,000 km). It does sit a little low, especially on my longer torso.
As far as I know, they haven’t been discontinued - you’ll still find them on the international Salomon website. They tend to remove products from the regional sites when they’re unavailable, so that’s probably why you’re not seeing it. Your best bet would be an online reseller in Europe, like Trekkinn.com.
Hey Jeff! I've been on the prowl for the 25L option ever since you launched this video and shared your stories on the multi-day fastpacking trips. I can't find the 25 or 35L options anywhere in Canada - not even on Solomon's site. Is there a shortage or supply issue that you might know of? Thanks man!
Hey Cam, unfortunately the 35L never did get released in Canada and it looks like they’ve also stopped selling the 25L here online as well. But I’m pretty sure that Salomon Vancouver has a couple in stock. Tell them I sent you!
Hi Jeff, for sizing may I ask what size Salomon adv vest you normally wear? Im 6.2ft, usually have the large ADV vest, the numbers put me in the M/L category, but your review making me think I should get S/M. Thanks
I’m 6’ and normally wear a M/L vest. I decided to get the S/M because I heard this pack fits a little larger, which mirrors my experience with the Slab Peak 20 I’d been using for fastpacking previously.
Hey Matt, I’m in the same boat. What I thought was an ice axe holder I believe is designed for poles. The product specs say it includes one, but I suspect it may not have made it to the final production design, unfortunately.
@@JeffPelletier dang! I’m determined to find a way to attach it without it falling on whoever is behind me. Would make a decent fast and light alpine pack too if there’s a way..
So my workaround admittedly isn't ideal - for objectives requiring an ice axe, I'm going to use Black Diamond Distance 15, which fits two and has a sleeve for pointy ends. Not ideal because 15L isn't much space for a sleep system.
i've been looking online for this bag and its as if Salomon doesnt make it anymore! I also looked at Ultimate Direction bags, but they are all outta stock.
I recently got ahold of the XA35 which I plan on using for some of my longer adventures, especially if I need to carry a bear canister. But the XA25 I find is just right for 1-2 nights.
@@JeffPelletier thanks for your answer ,I actually wanna do the Camino Primitivo 300 km +- in 8-9 days and I wanna run as much as I can ,I am full of doubts ,the wrong backpack might ruin my plans ,thanks though
Je ne suis absolument pas d'accord avec votre avis. Après des centaines d'heures d'utilisation de ce sac à dos je lui mettrais un 3/10. +1 pour son étanchéité, +2 pour son système de serrage à la poitrine qui m'a permis de rajouter un compartiment nourriture. Pour le reste ce sac est très mauvais. 1- Défaut principal 1 : le manque de VRAI rangement pour nourriture et autres. Les poches devant sont visuellement stylées, mais avec une flasque remplie, dans la réalité tu ne mets pas grand chose. C'est une honte : c'est impossible que les concepteurs n'aient pas pu s'en apercevoir en testant ne serait-ce qu'une seule fois. C'est un énorme souci pour un sac avec lequel on est sensé être en réelle autonomie. 2- Défaut principal 2 : tu n'as pas la possibilité de mettre un coupe-vent à portée de main ou autres habits techniques. La poche derrière est inacessible quand le sac est sur le dos. Ainsi, tu dois forcément enlever le sac, prendre ton coupe vent et replacer ton sac à dos. A la longue c'est pénible. Au final ce sac à dos ne permet pas une fluidité dans tes actions : soit tu trail, soit tu t'arrêtes pour prendre un truc dans ton sac à dos. Défauts secondaires en grand nombre : remettre des nouvelles flasques oblige souvent à enlever les barres de céréales et autres que tu as mis devant.En effet a flasque ne glisse pas bien. A la longue c'est pénible. Les flasques s'effrondrent dans leur poche malgré le système de fixation dédié. L'ajustement du sac à dos n'est pas assez précis : la ceinture devant n'est clairement pas suffisante pour ajuster parfaitement le sac et notamment au niveau des épaules. Il manque clairement des poches pourtant facilement rajoutable au niveau des côtes basses. En bref ce sac à dos c'est de la daube.
Yea, Canadian retail is the worst. I know there are a couple in stock here in Vancouver at the Salomon store as well as a few other retailers. I’m not sure if they ship, but you could give them a call.
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I find any large pack will bounce when you run, there’s no way to counteract your body’s movements. The key is that the pack moves well with you.
I bought this backpack with difficulty, I'm very satisfied. Recently, I've been using this backpack almost every day!
Great review. The only thing missing is a couple of load levelers to bring that bulky top into your shoulders.
Same with UD. I went with Yama Sassafras. Literally the perfect trail running pack.
After a few longer runs including a 195km/16000m+ multiday adventure I'm still undecided on how to feel about this pack. This pack runs really big in my opinion. I have a M/L Adv Skin 12lt pack from a few year ago that fits me perfectly. With this pack (in size S/M) despite sinching it down to the max the fit is not 100% confortable. The water bottle pouches are better in comparison to my Adv Skin but the front pockets are disappointingly very small and not forgiving. The left clip near the hip belt attachment visible at 3:47 popped off on the first use because of poor stitching and I had to sew it back on (first time having quality control issues with Salomon products). After 8h on the trails the pack at almost full capacity (around 6-7kg) started being very heavy on my shoulders causing bruises which I believe is from the awkward fit. Love the WP main compartment and the posterior cangaroo pouch. I would love 2 mesh side pockets like on hiking pack to carry 2 extra water bottles instead of using a water bladder (failed on me several times). So in conclusion I believe the pack has a huge huge potential but comes a bit short on delivery.
For reference I'm 177cm for 65-70kg (depending on the time of the year :P)
Can you do a video on your packlist? What did you bring on your runs that didnt fit in the out peak? I find mine so huge 🙂
That's good feedback! That stitching issue sounds like something you may want to warranty, as it's pretty clearly a manufacturing defect. I agree that the pockets could be a little bigger on the front though, perhaps more like my old S-Lab Peak 20.
I would be interested in a gear list aswell. How you manage the hydration side with this pack (only 2 soft flasks, water bladder etc.) would be nice to know. Rewatching the gear and reading on the Salomon webpage I'm not quite sure which loop is designated axe holder. A random of the posterior drawstrings?
Your timing could not be better! I just got this pack this morning and I was trying to figure out exactly how all the tiny straps worked. Now I know. Thanks Dude!
I recently found even more straps hidden away inside those little open pockets on the front. You can strap your poles vertically to the front of the pack with them instead of across your chest like I showed in the video.
@@JeffPelletier I’m still trying to work them all out 😀
That’s he opposite. I’m 5’4” and I found the M/L fit perfectly for me.
Great review. Im just toying with the idea of doing a 5 night fast packing adventure next year in the UK and this is the second recommendation for this pack I’ve seen.
I got this exact same pack after scanning the market for long, and I agree that salomon nailed a groundgreaking gear. The waterproof might not sound as a necessity to many but for multi day outings the likelyhood of rain climbs up and putting everything in trashbags is far from convenient/reliable so it is real value that could hardly be found anywhere.
I must add that this pack compresses extremely well thanks to the lacing so that it works fine at 10L. It is also perfect for "grocery training" that is training with grocery resupply along the way ;) or running to work...
An important point on this bag is the price that remains affordable compared to the Peak model !
Initially I bought it for solo unsuported multiday outings but I found myself reducing the package down to a point where my 12L packs proved enough. That was on a 96h mission around the Ecrins with alpine bonuses over the GR. The reason is that I had no sleeping bag just a puffy and space blancket bivibag with a klymit matress for nights of 3 4h in valley bottoms.
BUT this pack will be perfect for my 2022 project that is "Duo Des Cimes" on Echapée Belle across Belledonne (120km, 11kD+) along a special course that implies lots of off trail, alpine terrain, snowfield and ridges with only 6 refuges for food refill. For that we are required to carry a helmet, a harness, proper via ferrata "longe" and alpine style crampons...
All that gear seems excessive to me but that's the French State approach to safety.
Needless to say that even with lightest gear it makes this bag a necessity for its comfy back and volume.
Loïc From France, quite a fan of your channel.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience! That sounds like a great adventure you have planned.
@@JeffPelletier yeah it is aside the utmb crowd but this event is bubling in the ultra alpine trail niche in France.
We will have François D'Haenne coming back for this special edition...
Nothing beats the Instinct XX 20-24L for fastpacking and multi-day adventures. It has so many smart features and accommodates 750ml+ bottles in the front pockets which is very handy for long adventures. Ian Corless has a great review on it.
love my out day pack. and wish it had the better vest style. this xa would be perfect if they added side pockets. Also adding at least one hip pocket would be. awesome. even if it was removable
Fantastic review . The sizing is very generous . I’m not a slim build and
M/L is possibly too large . In comparison I need XL for the Salomon advance skin 12 . I’m keeping it though for any unforeseen fluctuations in weight and also for any other layers I may use . The pack feels great and fits around the body just as good as the advanced skin running vests . Can’t wait to use it .
Hi Jeff - great video, any chance you could do a video on what you pack on the multi day trips? Keen to understand the compromise you strike between comfort items and weight. Love your work and thanks for the great content👍.
Thanks Alex, I’m working on a few videos about gear for multi day adventures. Stay tuned!
Excellent review! Superb backpack, but Salomon is hiding informations about it's proper use like eastereggs ... now I'm sure it was the right decision to buy it!
Great video. Ended up going for the M/L because my gf said I look bigger (fatter) than you :D
Just finished 2 days fast-packing in Spain's Picos de Europa national park.
Just like expected, Salomon's quality shows.
The front pockets compete with the water bottle pockets for space, but easy enough to manage.
Thanks for the review - It's been hard to find much info on the pack. Looks like I'll be needing a medium based on the video. I bought two of the 35L packs S/M & M/L to test out & returned both, because the fit on the hip belt was huge. Looks like salomon made a good pack, but the sizing is way to big for the average runner. At a 32" waist i couldn't even get the hip belt tight 35L
That’s what I’m hearing from so many people. I’m 6’ and have pretty broad shoulders, so give me that the S/M fits me it’s not going to fit most.
Thanks for the great video. I'm on the hunt for the perfect fastpack!
Great review! looks ideal for 4D stage races
Hi Jeff, great video. What are the items you bring on fast packing trips? A gear load out video would be great.
Thanks! I hope to have a video ready within a few weeks about my gear.
Great review Jeff. Just ordered one and will let you know my experiences.
Good stuff, definitely keep me posted about how it works for you.
@@JeffPelletier There doesn't seem to be a slot for a reservoir tube from it's pocket/holder through to the shoulder straps. Am I missing it? Thank you.
I haven’t tried a bladder yet myself in this pack, but there appears to be a hole in the bottom which I’d imagine is designed for the hose. There’s at least one loop on the front that must be designed to hold the hose in place near the sternum.
@@JeffPelletier Thanks Jeff. The hole at the bottom of the bag is for reservoir leaks/overflow. I've contacted Salomon. This is a major design flaw, as the tube and suck valve have to hand upside down when treading it through the top of the bag.
@@TheRunningArtistBruceKatlin ah you're right. Just tested it out, and it looks like the hose is meant to run up and over your shoulder and through the one loop near the sternum. This is similar to the way most larger packs are designed, so perhaps it's a factor of size. My girlfriend's Ultimate Direction 30L is the same.
Great review. You mention ice axe holder at 2:28 - How do you place the ice axe on this bag? Also, would you have a tip how to carry climbing helmet on the pack? I'm trying to make this backpack work for some alpine stuff but because of these shortcomings, I'll probably use Blue Ice Reach 20.
It turns out that was a feature which was removed from the production model, but still left in the description for the pack. For alpine use, I'd probably look at a different option :)
It’s unfortunate they discontinued this. Any ideas why? More importantly, given your connections, do you know / can you share whether they have something in the works for fastpacking? Thanks for all the great info you share here!
Hey Clynton, they haven’t actually discontinued it (to my knowledge). But they seem to remove products from the website whenever they’re out of stock. I’d hope to see more inventory soon though..
This was a great review and convinced me to buy it but it looks like it was discontinued. Why do outdoor companies do this? Seems like the gear everyone raves about always gets discontinued or modified in a bad way.
Disappointing the sizing is badly implemented, I’ve been sold on this pack since I first saw the adjustment and closing systems, a perfect bag for what I’m seeking. Im 5’9 with 28 waist, from what I can guess from the consistent complaints I’ve seen about sizing I guess I can assume it’s not for me. Let’s hope they fix this in the next model!
Would love to see your packing strategy for this. I have a lot of similar gear, and have fitment issues with this pack. I'm sure I am just doing something wrong, I am new to ultralight. It would be epic to see a video on your thoughts of how you choose gear for a video, and practically, where you make it all fit in the pack.
Hey Luke, I’ll definitely work on a video with some packing tips - seems to be a common question!
@@JeffPelletier Sweet! Thanks. An easy question would be, where in your XA25 does your WM Summerlite end up? I have been shoving mine in the bottom, then everything else on top. I unfortunately need a bear canister where I am (not a ursack) and I found a really small one, but it still takes up space.
Other than that, funny enough, we have almost exactly the same gear. I have a Summerlite, a comparable bad from Nemo, Toaks pot, pocket rocket, same jackets, base layers, water filters. The difference may just be the bear canister.
@@JeffPelletier did you end up doing this video for the XA 25?
Unfortunately, I never did get around to it. Sorry! It’s still on the list…
When I saw preview of that video I thought it's man in white sweater and with a whole red backpack on his head. But it's joke. :) Thanks for review.
😂
Looking for a larger pack. Probably not this big. Great review
Thanks! Check out the newer Salomon 20L pack. With one large compartment, it’s got plenty of room for a big day in the mountains.
I really like this pack butI am disappointed that it does not come in women-specific sizes. I usually wear a Women's XS in the Ultimate Direction packs. Will Salomon be looking to offer this pack in more women-specific sizes? Is there a similar Salomon pack that has more sizing options? Great review and video!
Hey Jennifer, it sounds like Salomon plans to further develop this line in the not-too-distant future, yep. Unfortunately, not much else available from Salomon at this capacity.
You may want to consider the FastpackHER line from Ultimate Direction which is quite popular among my women friends, although it sounds like maybe you already have: geni.us/WUEXk
Just ordered this backpack as my 12 litre running vest is really pushing it when having to carry extra stuff like a harness and via ferrata gear etc. With the new corona rules on mountain huts and having to carry more stuff for overnight stays this seems to be the perfect size. Interesting that you're having issues with the sizing too. I also went for the larger one (like my running vest) but wasn't quite happy with it. Waiting for the smaller one to arrive now. Let's see... I'm not 100% sure yet I like the closing mechanism of the roll top yet compared to a traditional roll top...
I’d be interested to hear how the smaller one fits for you compared to the first you tried! I’ve never really owned any other roll-too packs, only those that cinch down, but so far that’s my favorite feature of the pack. I could even see attaching extra things under that top strap in a pinch like a sleeping pad.
I wish they still sold this pack
Hi Jeff,
Interesting video.
A flaw that I see in this backpack is the impossibility of storing the smartphone in the front because the pockets are too narrow.
Do you agree? Where do you keep it to have it at hand, to take photos or check the track?
It’s indeed difficult to store a phone securely. I typically now supplement my packs with a belt to store my GoPro and phone, something like the Salomon Pulse Belt: geni.us/3QAvBm
Nice review Jeff. I'm looking at options for a new pack sometime in the near future. I recently took my Osprey Talon 33 on a fastpacking trip in Wales (UK) which I filmed for my UA-cam channel. Not a bad pack but wouldn't mind something with running in mind. However, with my current gear I think 25l is a little small. As I upgrade my kit and get smaller and lighter gear, maybe something like this will be the way to go. However, I do also want to think about the possibility that my camera equipment may start to take up more room as I have really been enjoying learning the how to film outdoor adventure videos.
Thanks Peter. The Osprey packs seem to be pretty standard for many ultra-light hikers, but they're definitely not designed for running as you say. I hear you about the size of 25L being a tight fit - it's so hard to find that balance between weight, volume, comfort and price.
Great review and I love your videos, Jeff! Quick question: Is this bag big enough for overnights, packing ultralight tent & sleeping bag in addition to the usual gear? Contemplating the XA 25 or 35, or Ultimate Direction's new Fastpack 30....
Thanks Xavier! Use it for 2-3 day trips with a tent split between two people. The new UD 30 looks like a great option though too, in case you need a little more space..
@@JeffPelletier Thanks Jeff!!
Jeff, I just recently discovered your channel and have watched like 30 videos in less than a week, really great stuff! Quick question: I’m interested in the versatility of the Salomon XA 25 not only for fastpacking & winter trail adventures but also a possible run commuter pack where I would carry a change of clothes, shoes, laptop and lunch. Would this work well for this 3rd purpose or would something like the xa 15 work better? I currently have the UD15 but am not sold on the load feel. Thanks for your thoughts and for cranking out such compelling content! Excited for Namib day 3!
Thanks Josh! I think it would work well as a commuting pack, although it may be a little big. It kind of depends on how much stuff you need to carry. If it’s just a change of clothes then something like a 15L would probably work better, but if you want it for fastpacking then you may as well go bigger.
You think it could fit a light tent, sleeping bag and mat, gas stove, food etc for a 3-4 day fastpack adventure in rather warm weather? Maybe i should go to a shop with all my gear and just try :)
4 days is pushing it - I find this setup works for 2-3 days max worth of food, including either a bivy or half a tent (splitting a 2-person tent between two). So ideally, you’d resupply half way though a 5-day hike.
@Jeff Pelletier Thanks for the nice review! Exactly what i was looking for. You were talking about an ice axe holder. How do you mount your ice axes on this pack?
Hello, I really don't find the ice axe holder in this pack... I mean the one below, to hold the pick. Could you show us where it is? Thanks! Great review!
Anybody know if this would be a good scrambling pack? I like how light it is and no frame so it could stow in an pack for the approach. But I'm not sure if it could carry some more technical gear for certain missions like rope, helmet, ice axe, etc.
I have used this bag with a bit of alpine gear and it works up to some point :
-helmet is best on the head, avoid bouncing and increase safety In my opinion
-Iceaxe sits fine if short (45cm) otherwis the vest carry makes it peak in the back of your head.
-The rope It is ok thank to the top buckle (but it blocks acces to main volume like most babs).
- climbing gear can clip on side fitting straps that are regular 20mm so really solid, a pain if you run...
- harness can be kept on the body if light and comfy
My concern would be about the fabric that is far from the thick ones used in alpinism bags, this might lead to some repair...
Looks great Jeff, nice review! I'm with you on a lot of points, but I'd have to test that hip belt to see if it's worth it. What's the weight capacity I wonder?
Thanks Jeremy! I’m not sure what the weight limit would be, but in my experience once you start pushing past 16-17 pounds you’re not really running anyway. Goal should probably be 13 or less, which this pack handles fine.
@@JeffPelletier Do you have a gear list for that weight?
For the Tahoe Rim Trail I was at about 12 lbs base weight for three days, including crampons and some other cold weather gear (check out my video on that). I found that was as heavy as I’d ever want to go when trying to run, once you add in food and some water. My goal is sub-10 base weight in the summer though. Even with expendibles that should keep me under 13 or less, especially for one-nighters. I’ve decided fastpacking doesn’t work in the winter 😅
This looks like a Great Pack. Since it’s not conducive for petite females do you have any recommendations for 25 L backs for small framed women? Thx!
Check out the Ultimate Direction ‘FastpackHer’ line 👍
what do u think about the mammut norwand trion 15 for daily use in the mountains? (5-10 hours walk)
jeff, i'm thinking of XA 15 for SwissPeaks 360. You ran Tour de Geants with 25 XA - do you think XA 15 would be adequate or should i go for 25?
I actually used my Slab Peak 20 for TOR. 15 might be a little tight, given the winter gear you’re required to carry, but 25 would actually be a little big. So I’d maybe go for the 15 in this case unless you see needing the much larger pack for future adventures.
Great video Jeff 👌 and when you pack for an overnight/weekend, what's your total weight? 4-5kg?
Thanks and have a nice weekend.
pk from Italy
Thanks Paul. This can really depend on the weather/altitude and length of trip, as well as whether I'm sharing a tent, stove, etc. with another person. I'd say somewhere between 4-6 kg on average.
thank you!!!
I discovered your channel recently and love your videos ! Cheers from a fellow Vancouver hiker :)
Is this bag waterproof ? Can I use it in the usual BC rain ?
Thanks! It’s water resistant but not fully waterproof. So like with any pack, I’d recommend lining the inside with a garbage bag if you’re worried about rain.
I tried it on a local 65m course as prep for moab and it worked really well. It stayed compact and mostly stationary. I need to figure out how best to protect shoulders and probably will put rock tape or something to make it better on a fully loaded pack. I saw that you hold your poles in the front and they were moving back and forth while running. Any other ways to hold the poles? Thanks for the recommendation and happy with it.
Hey, thanks for sharing your experience! I actually use tape myself whenever wearing a big pack, both on the shoulders and lower back. I started holding my poles differently than what I showed in the video - I now strap them vertically on the front which holds them better in place. There’s another loop sort of hidden in the little open pockets in the front near the shoulders.
thanks your sharing
It's unfortunate Salomon doesn't make this pack anymore.
Hey Jeff, thanks for sharing this. Im looking to fast pack / run the TMB with some friends next summer and need something runnable but also with space to carry lightweight sleeping bag, layers, etc. Would you recommend this pack for that or would you jump up to the 35?
Will you be sleeping in refugios on the TMB? If so, I’d say this should definitely be enough space!
Jeff Pelletier yes in the refuges. Thanks!
Is there a setup for bladder? If so, is it a separate pocket inside the main pack and what size (1 or L)? Thanks
There is. It's a separate pocket in-between the main pack and the back panel. I'm assuming it would fit Salomon's standard 1.5L bladder just fine, although I've yet to test it. I'm not a fan of using a bladder myself.
Jeff Pelletier I get dehydrated very easy - heavy salty sweater. Usually need 3L on a long outing 4-5 hours. I live in desert so no options for filling up on m runs.
Ah, yea the desert is a different ballgame. You could probably do 1.5L in the back along with 1L in the front two flasks, and possibly even a third flask secured along the top of the pack.
Just note that the pack only comes with two flasks and not the bladder.
I tested it with a 1.5lt bladder. It works fine if the pack is not fully loaded. With a fully loaded pack taking out, refilling the bladder and putting it back in is a real struggle because of the items in the main compartment pushing on the bladder pocket.
@@hoosierdaddy70 As a fellow sweaty desert-dweller I'm happy to say that the pack easily accommodates my 3l reservoir. It's extremely comfortable with 1l in the front water bottles and 1.5 l in the reservoir but I tried it with the full 3l in the reservoir and it's still very doable, though not the most comfortable thing. I will say that I got a M/L despite being 5'8 and I think the extra space helps the fit with a full bladder. The only downside is that the backsweat is insane. Not sure if it's just part and parcel to vest-style packs as this is my first or if it's this pack in particular. It's actually to a point where I'm needing to consumer more water for the same amount of effort so I haven't decided yet if I should keep it.
Thanks Jeff it helped me a lot. But i supose this is not working with my hydrapak? I need this space for a bag but i also need space for my hydrapak reservoar on 3l.
I don’t think this would work with a 3L reservoir unfortunately, no.
I can confirm it does fit with a full 3L hydrapak and standard day-hike kit, but it does sacrifice some comfort. Once you drink it down to the 1.5-2l mark it will be very comfortable though.
This pack looks OK for hiking but not running. It is wobbling extreamly at the back. This would drive me crazy and takes a lot of energy too.
I’ve found that any pack with a large load will want to move. The key is that it moves with you and doesn’t cause any problems. There’s simply no way to carry 15-18 pounds of gear and not have it want to move up and down as you run, the physics don’t allow for anything else.
@@JeffPelletier I agree, there is always some movement. I think the connection of the pack to the front is missing. It is only connected at the back. Therefore is no pulling at the top towards the front part. At your Namibia 3 Episode you can see that some packs which have this, are much less moving.
Ah yes, I see what you mean - the white Raidlight packs have the load levellers on the shoulders which might help to cinch things down a bit. That’s definitely something the Salomon pack lacks, is much in the way of customizing fit.
@@JeffPelletier I noticed this as well in your Namibia Ep 3 (BTW such excellent storytelling and videography). Did any of your fellow runners make any comments (pos or neg) about the Raidlight Revolutiv 24?
We actually didn’t talk too much about packs. I think the general consensus is that our packs were all heavy and running with a pack sucks 😂
Bounchy..In comparision I've found the Out day 20+4 much more stable.
Really helpfull video. What about your shorts? Which modelo os that?
Thanks Ricardo. I run in the Salomon XA Training shorts: geni.us/4s932
@@JeffPelletier thanks, love your Channel..
I appreciate that! Anything in particular you’d like to see more of in the future? (Eg. Gear reviews, races, overnight adventure, etc.)
@@JeffPelletier you doing great, but i personally like overnight adventures
Jeff, could any hard bottles fit into the front instead of soft flasks?
I’m not sure, but I don’t think it would be very comfortable. Out of curiosity, is there a reason you prefer them over soft flasks?
Based on your experience, which backpack would you consider as better, when those 3 additional liters wouldn’t be an issue? XA25 or Slab Peak? I’m running Tor des Geants this year and looking for the best choice on the market. Thank you in advance for your feedback
For TOR, I used the Slab Peak and would probably recommend doing the same. 25L would be overkill, and the Peak has some additional adjustments and pockets that make it more suitable for racing.
@@JeffPelletier Thank you Jeff! I’m a big fan of yours, so appreciate the feedback even more 😊
Best of luck with the race! It’s still my favourite event I’ve ever done.
Looks like a nice size upgrade from AdvSkin12 which is starting to become a little tight. Placed an order on REI and will update after trying it out at Moab240
Nice, let me know how it works out!
Thanks for the review! Im thinking of TMB 5 days fastpacking, with my own sleep system, wont be bringing food and stove/gas - will be relying on food at refuges/villages, so my carrying weight will be around 4kg (without water/pack). Not sure if Im going to fit into xa 25. What do you think is the weight limit for xa25? If I attached 1p tent and pad to the sides, I think I shoud be fine fitting into 25 L, also its will probbaly be looking as a ball :) I would normally take my osprey exos 38, but it will be overkill for 4kg of load probably. Cheers Ed
You could also consider the XA35. I always try to avoid attaching anything large to the sides or bottom of a pack as it affects fit.
Would you recommend this for the MDS
It looks like it moves around quite a bit while you’re running and seems like it’s center of balance is kinda far away from your back. Have you noticed these things to be a problem at all?
It could definitely use levelling straps. I’ve since gone up a size which seems to fit my torso my better as well.
Jeff, fantastic video as always! I wanted to ask 2 questions. 1. Would you consider making a video about HOW you pack your kit into the bag in terms of accessibility, balance, etc. kind of merging your kit video with the pack video. 2. Regarding your comments on the XA 35… I’m finding that my base weight is quite low, but my volume is high. For instance, I just can’t sleep in a bivy, but my tent weighs less than your bivy (but takes up a lot more space). Would you consider the 35 a good solution? Thanks!
Thanks Sam. Yes, I've had it on my list for a while now to make a video about how I pack my kit - there are definitely some best practices and tricks.
The XA 35 would probably give you the flexibility you need. I'm hoping to get my hands on one myself soon for a big run I have planned in the fall that will require me to carry a bear canister.
Hi, thank you very much for your video, i have a question in site there is any pocket for the H2O like 1L hidration pack?
Hey Aleix, yea there is a spot for up to a 2L bladder inside the main compartment. But this will detract from the rest of the storage space. So you’d have to factor this in when it comes to planning and packing your gear
@@JeffPelletier thank you very much i'm planning to buy the 25L for an adventure of 3 days, 2 night. thanks
Let me know how it works out for you! 😎
how did you do it can you share with me , thank you
Hi Jeff! I've just bought the latest version from the Salomon website, don't think there is much difference. Just wondering, have you ever tried attaching an ice axe to it? It seems like it is missing a loop at the bottom of the bag for the head of the axe.
You’ve gotta use the bungee straps at the bottom which I personally find a little risky. I’ve got a plastic cover for the blade of my axe though fortunately to avoid the risk of cutting those.
@@JeffPelletier roger! 👍🏼
Looks like the weight is distributed way to low for running with it. Any experience about running?
This video is quite old, but I have used it a lot for running since then (probably about 2,000 km). It does sit a little low, especially on my longer torso.
@@JeffPelletier okay, thanks for your reply:)
Good informasi
Jeff the XA series has seemed to be discontinued as of now, any idea where I can get these packs?
As far as I know, they haven’t been discontinued - you’ll still find them on the international Salomon website. They tend to remove products from the regional sites when they’re unavailable, so that’s probably why you’re not seeing it.
Your best bet would be an online reseller in Europe, like Trekkinn.com.
Hey Jeff! I've been on the prowl for the 25L option ever since you launched this video and shared your stories on the multi-day fastpacking trips. I can't find the 25 or 35L options anywhere in Canada - not even on Solomon's site. Is there a shortage or supply issue that you might know of? Thanks man!
Hey Cam, unfortunately the 35L never did get released in Canada and it looks like they’ve also stopped selling the 25L here online as well. But I’m pretty sure that Salomon Vancouver has a couple in stock. Tell them I sent you!
@@JeffPelletier Thanks Jeff!!
This is an issue for many Salomon products. Not sure why they don't offer so much here in Canada...
Hi Jeff, for sizing may I ask what size Salomon adv vest you normally wear? Im 6.2ft, usually have the large ADV vest, the numbers put me in the M/L category, but your review making me think I should get S/M. Thanks
I’m 6’ and normally wear a M/L vest. I decided to get the S/M because I heard this pack fits a little larger, which mirrors my experience with the Slab Peak 20 I’d been using for fastpacking previously.
@@JeffPelletier Thanks Jeff. Appreciate the video too!
@@jameslester5136 what size did you go for James in the end? Also 6,2 and have the large Salomon Adv 12 pack. Cheers for the videos @Jeff Pelletier.
Jeff - do you have any insight on how to attach an ice ax? I can't seem to figure it out without it falling!
Hey Matt, I’m in the same boat. What I thought was an ice axe holder I believe is designed for poles. The product specs say it includes one, but I suspect it may not have made it to the final production design, unfortunately.
@@JeffPelletier dang! I’m determined to find a way to attach it without it falling on whoever is behind me. Would make a decent fast and light alpine pack too if there’s a way..
Agreed! I’ll update you here if I figure out something myself.
@@JeffPelletier I’ll do the same
So my workaround admittedly isn't ideal - for objectives requiring an ice axe, I'm going to use Black Diamond Distance 15, which fits two and has a sleeve for pointy ends. Not ideal because 15L isn't much space for a sleep system.
Sure would be nice if they sold this in the U.S.
i've been looking online for this bag and its as if Salomon doesnt make it anymore! I also looked at Ultimate Direction bags, but they are all outta stock.
Where are you based? I know they’re no longer available in Canada, but I think both the 25 and 35 are in the US.
@@JeffPelletier ohh. canada. thanks for the vids, really helpfull!
Check this thread here - old.reddit.com/r/fastpacking/comments/ng9l6q/whats_new_in_fastpacking_packs_salomon_xa25_and/
Can't find this pack available anywhere
It’s frustratingly hard to find in North America. The only place it’s been consistently available seems to be here in France.
Did you ever consider the Xa35 instead ?
I recently got ahold of the XA35 which I plan on using for some of my longer adventures, especially if I need to carry a bear canister. But the XA25 I find is just right for 1-2 nights.
@@JeffPelletier thanks for your answer ,I actually wanna do the Camino Primitivo 300 km +- in 8-9 days and I wanna run as much as I can ,I am full of doubts ,the wrong backpack might ruin my plans ,thanks though
Je ne suis absolument pas d'accord avec votre avis. Après des centaines d'heures d'utilisation de ce sac à dos je lui mettrais un 3/10. +1 pour son étanchéité, +2 pour son système de serrage à la poitrine qui m'a permis de rajouter un compartiment nourriture. Pour le reste ce sac est très mauvais. 1- Défaut principal 1 : le manque de VRAI rangement pour nourriture et autres. Les poches devant sont visuellement stylées, mais avec une flasque remplie, dans la réalité tu ne mets pas grand chose. C'est une honte : c'est impossible que les concepteurs n'aient pas pu s'en apercevoir en testant ne serait-ce qu'une seule fois. C'est un énorme souci pour un sac avec lequel on est sensé être en réelle autonomie. 2- Défaut principal 2 : tu n'as pas la possibilité de mettre un coupe-vent à portée de main ou autres habits techniques. La poche derrière est inacessible quand le sac est sur le dos. Ainsi, tu dois forcément enlever le sac, prendre ton coupe vent et replacer ton sac à dos. A la longue c'est pénible. Au final ce sac à dos ne permet pas une fluidité dans tes actions : soit tu trail, soit tu t'arrêtes pour prendre un truc dans ton sac à dos. Défauts secondaires en grand nombre : remettre des nouvelles flasques oblige souvent à enlever les barres de céréales et autres que tu as mis devant.En effet a flasque ne glisse pas bien. A la longue c'est pénible. Les flasques s'effrondrent dans leur poche malgré le système de fixation dédié. L'ajustement du sac à dos n'est pas assez précis : la ceinture devant n'est clairement pas suffisante pour ajuster parfaitement le sac et notamment au niveau des épaules. Il manque clairement des poches pourtant facilement rajoutable au niveau des côtes basses. En bref ce sac à dos c'est de la daube.
Can't find this product anywhere in Canada. Very disappointing.
Yea, Canadian retail is the worst. I know there are a couple in stock here in Vancouver at the Salomon store as well as a few other retailers. I’m not sure if they ship, but you could give them a call.
I have tried to find this all over the US and Canada. For a pack that has such high reviews everywhere I can’t imagine while they’d stop making it.
It’s really all about supply chain issues at the moment.
Looks pretty bouncy & unstable to me.
Thank you for this clear explanation, on my way for a third @tordesgeants :-)