This era of comics, man... I mean, all these biceps as thick as torsos and then putting all these sown together meat slabs on top of little dainty ankles and flipper feet.
This episode is amazing, thank you so much for covering this. I was out of comics for a while by this era, I had no idea all this stuff was existed. But I was a bit fan of Jim Lee's run on Uncanny X-men, of course. Here are the swipes I found. Issue 89, page 18, bottom right corner panel, where Wolverine is raising the sword comes from Jim Lee--Uncanny X-men 268, page 20, bottom center panel, where Wolverine frees Captain America and some Russian guy guarding Black Widow, cutting their bonds with a ninja sword. Issue 89, page 19, bottom panel of the left-hand page, 2nd from the left, is another Jim Lee swipe, from Uncanny 276, bottom center panel, where Wolverine finds Jubilee's earring in the debris of an explosion and knows it's time to kill Professor X. Page 12 of issue 88, bottom center panel of Wolverine cutting up a taxi-cab door to skateboard on it, is a swipe from Uncanny 271, top of the page, where Jim Lee has Wolverine cutting through Genoshan guards to take out a brainwashed Havok.
Holy FUCK-- you guys just unlocked a KEY MEMORY and the reason why I stopped reading comics. I remember these issues and connecting the SAME DAMN DOTS in real time when this shit was new. I remember feeling a sense of being cheated as a kid reading these...it made me stop reading all comics when I was young. UGH.
DANG The amount of image information crammed into you guys’ head? Unbelievable the ability to recall art from other comics…. I am constantly blown away by the knowledge but… other level really Props for calling out the help you found from other places
In the 90's Adam Kubert came to town for a small comic show. I'm a 10ish year old kid so I brought two Wolverine issues I happened to have. Wolverine 75 on which he signed the hologram, awesome, then I asked him to sign Wolverine 89 and he promptly pushed it back and said "I didn't draw this one." Legend.
I had a very similar experience with an editor during a portfolio review, but this was for one of the big two. I was told my storytelling was good, anatomy, perspective, etc. from my portfolio. Then they told me if I wanted to get work from him I would need to copy Jim Lee, Bryan Hitch, or Greg Capullo. They didn't tell me to swipe, but they named names for the direction they wanted for sample pages they gave me a script for. I didn't copy, and I didn't get the gig.
Thee are Brigade issues heavily swiped by Fabio and Roger as well, from the same era. As you were going thru these issues i could see swipes you were missing. Pretty sure Colossus' hand from that huge money shot was swiped in the Wolverine issue.
If you want to see a real swipe-a-thon, check out an issue of DC's Star Trek that James Fry did where he swiped from like 15 issues of Nexus. It's from the "Trial of James T Kirk" arc.
I see that Wolverine/Omega Red split face fromthe Xmen #7 cover swiped on that half Wolverine face on the same page as the inverted Wolverine from Xmen 1
I remember this comic. Laguna cribbed Jim Lee almost exclusively. Those panels of Wolverine you said you thought were cribbed from Adam Kubert was actually Jim Lee Uncanny X-men 268. You weren’t kidding when you say almost every panel was a copy. There was a bunch copied from Wildcats as well.
David Campiti also recruited artists from the Philippines. Back then (and most likely to this day), Campiti's Glass House was an option if trying out for a career in comics here in the Philippines, aside from Whilce's Avalon. Funny that Ed mentioned Jinky Coronado; she had a title called "Banzai Girl." And on swiping, Battle Angel Alita's (Gunnm) Yukito Kishiro swiped Frank Miller's panels from "Elektra Lives Again" in an entry for "Gunnm Last Order." That sequence somehow broke my heart =(.
Just watched this for the first time. Hearing Ed say, not once, but several times during the video not to brigade the artist they were talking about hits hard. Ed was a pure soul.
Noticed this book in my Wolverine box with no bag and board in between a hundred other less valuable Wolverine books that are all nicely bagged and boarded. Clearly at some point I sacrificed the bag and board on this one for a newer book. Probably did that in 1997. Book's still in pretty good shape though. I'd give it an 8.0.
Hilarious! I guess when you got bills to pay and are visually challenged thinking about posterity doesn’t figure into your equation. I will say that to some extent we all ‘swipe’, often unconsciously, but this is egregious, I mean this guy could moonlight as a superhero called Lightbox!
Honestly, the demonization of drawing from reference or swiping has probably ruined a lot of prospective art careers especially when we have egos in the room like even Frazetta would talk about how he never looked at reference and it all came from his head, people I think took that as gospel and especially when it came to comics you get all these people, artists, teachers, saying that "a real artist never uses reference material" it's the biggest myth and lie that has perpetuated in the art world, and the people who say that are either liars or not artists in any capacity. I don't know how this became controversial, but an artist can't own the copyright to a human pose, or animal poses for that matter, it's ridiculous, there are only so many poses that you can put a body in where it is a) beneficial to the story telling and b) dynamic. Like its one thing if you have a style that's got Bridgman-esque anatomy and then you swipe a Kirby pose and all the sudden the anatomy in the drawing becomes Kirby anatomy, that's one thing or if it messes with the continuity of what the character looks like, but if I swipe a Kirby pose but put my own anatomy on top of that pose, that shouldn't be looked down upon as a swipe or any malpractice. It's just the most irrational argument to ever exist, now these two issues it's a lot but generally, drawing from reference is fine, and any artist that has drawn anything that is based in reality has done it whether they like to admit it or not, its a fact because in order to be able to draw something you have to know what it looks like, you can't draw a pitbull without knowing what a pitbull looks like and have it look like a pitbull, simple as that.
Hi! You guys are the BEST comic book reviewers in the net. One sugestión: can you review "White Thrash" by Martín Edmond it would be a great opportunity to share his unique way of drawing... Thanks a lot for your excelent Channel 6:57
You will be missed, Ed.
ed... "no internet army bullshit," 18:50 😢
Pulling from last months issue is ballsy 😂
it's over the top, like I understand deadlines but crazy the editor let that through
This era of comics, man... I mean, all these biceps as thick as torsos and then putting all these sown together meat slabs on top of little dainty ankles and flipper feet.
This episode is amazing, thank you so much for covering this. I was out of comics for a while by this era, I had no idea all this stuff was existed. But I was a bit fan of Jim Lee's run on Uncanny X-men, of course. Here are the swipes I found.
Issue 89, page 18, bottom right corner panel, where Wolverine is raising the sword comes from Jim Lee--Uncanny X-men 268, page 20, bottom center panel, where Wolverine frees Captain America and some Russian guy guarding Black Widow, cutting their bonds with a ninja sword.
Issue 89, page 19, bottom panel of the left-hand page, 2nd from the left, is another Jim Lee swipe, from Uncanny 276, bottom center panel, where Wolverine finds Jubilee's earring in the debris of an explosion and knows it's time to kill Professor X.
Page 12 of issue 88, bottom center panel of Wolverine cutting up a taxi-cab door to skateboard on it, is a swipe from Uncanny 271, top of the page, where Jim Lee has Wolverine cutting through Genoshan guards to take out a brainwashed Havok.
No way I'd fork over a hundred bones for this. The editors were sleep at the wheel. 😂
That taxi looks like it was swiped from the car McFarlane swiped from Otomo
True Detective : Kayfabe Edition
You guys marking each egregious swipe to point out where it's from is funny as hell lmaoo
$100 Jim Lee mixed tape remixed 😂🤣
Someone should make a collage with red twine pointing out the swipes.
Holy FUCK-- you guys just unlocked a KEY MEMORY and the reason why I stopped reading comics. I remember these issues and connecting the SAME DAMN DOTS in real time when this shit was new. I remember feeling a sense of being cheated as a kid reading these...it made me stop reading all comics when I was young.
UGH.
DANG
The amount of image information crammed into you guys’ head? Unbelievable the ability to recall art from other comics…. I am constantly blown away by the knowledge but… other level really
Props for calling out the help you found from other places
Wow man he didn’t even try to hide it
In the 90's Adam Kubert came to town for a small comic show. I'm a 10ish year old kid so I brought two Wolverine issues I happened to have. Wolverine 75 on which he signed the hologram, awesome, then I asked him to sign Wolverine 89 and he promptly pushed it back and said "I didn't draw this one." Legend.
That title page from 89 is a swipe of Gambit on his bike from X-men 4. Again, Jim Lee.
I had a very similar experience with an editor during a portfolio review, but this was for one of the big two. I was told my storytelling was good, anatomy, perspective, etc. from my portfolio. Then they told me if I wanted to get work from him I would need to copy Jim Lee, Bryan Hitch, or Greg Capullo. They didn't tell me to swipe, but they named names for the direction they wanted for sample pages they gave me a script for. I didn't copy, and I didn't get the gig.
8:55 I believe Carson Grubaugh from Living The Line did exactly that, although I'm not sure the comic got published.
Thee are Brigade issues heavily swiped by Fabio and Roger as well, from the same era. As you were going thru these issues i could see swipes you were missing. Pretty sure Colossus' hand from that huge money shot was swiped in the Wolverine issue.
things that I paused the video: the hundred dollar price tag and that sweet Shining Force 2 ad.
$100 freakin' bucks!!! Sweet baby Jesus!!!
Bought mine probably a couple months after the issue in a $1 bin. Wish I would of taken care of it. Worth $10 bucks if Im lucky now.
they'll be worth more next year lol
Hey yo! I would love to see/hear y’all going over some Craig Thompson, or maybe an interview! Thanks for being one of the best resources in comics. ❤
Hahaha. Nice guy Ed calling off the internet army 😂
Fabio was the original OpenAI.
These issues are fraudulent! Good job calling it out.
Wow this is crazy how much he lifted. Love the channel!
Swipes were AI art before AI art.
I loved this comic as a 90s x-kid.
I totally remember seeing same images in different books lol
If you want to see a real swipe-a-thon, check out an issue of DC's Star Trek that James Fry did where he swiped from like 15 issues of Nexus. It's from the "Trial of James T Kirk" arc.
I finally got to this on my to read stack this week. This was a very fun book. I am looking forward to Green.
Cool compilation of reviews!
Thanks Jay!
I see that Wolverine/Omega Red split face fromthe Xmen #7 cover swiped on that half Wolverine face on the same page as the inverted Wolverine from Xmen 1
I remember this comic. Laguna cribbed Jim Lee almost exclusively. Those panels of Wolverine you said you thought were cribbed from Adam Kubert was actually Jim Lee Uncanny X-men 268. You weren’t kidding when you say almost every panel was a copy. There was a bunch copied from Wildcats as well.
Woa that book is worth a hundo now?!?
David Campiti also recruited artists from the Philippines. Back then (and most likely to this day), Campiti's Glass House was an option if trying out for a career in comics here in the Philippines, aside from Whilce's Avalon. Funny that Ed mentioned Jinky Coronado; she had a title called "Banzai Girl." And on swiping, Battle Angel Alita's (Gunnm) Yukito Kishiro swiped Frank Miller's panels from "Elektra Lives Again" in an entry for "Gunnm Last Order." That sequence somehow broke my heart =(.
SHOOT INTERVIEW WITH FABIO LAGUNA PLEASE!
16:27 I think that’s UXM 268
Just watched this for the first time. Hearing Ed say, not once, but several times during the video not to brigade the artist they were talking about hits hard. Ed was a pure soul.
Always loved Wolverine. The complete v1 and v2 are the pride of my collection.
Silvestri had the best run of wolverine. Would put kubert's close 2nd.
Unreal. Haha! Didn’t know this went down in comics!
Someone swiped 😒 my childhood copy of this ages ago, and I nabbed two more in dollar bins over the years. What a nice gain.
Noticed this book in my Wolverine box with no bag and board in between a hundred other less valuable Wolverine books that are all nicely bagged and boarded. Clearly at some point I sacrificed the bag and board on this one for a newer book. Probably did that in 1997. Book's still in pretty good shape though. I'd give it an 8.0.
Man I always KNEW he was stealing. Thank you for doing the homework
Painful memories. 😂 what a mess. They had some great artists on the x line at the time, but the fill-in guys were usually abysmal.
Hilarious! I guess when you got bills to pay and are visually challenged thinking about posterity doesn’t figure into your equation. I will say that to some extent we all ‘swipe’, often unconsciously, but this is egregious, I mean this guy could moonlight as a superhero called Lightbox!
I bought this single for a $1 like 6 years ago at a free comic book day event. Nowadays I'm astounded at how I got it 😂
Like a lot of people, this is around the time I stopped collecting on going series. Utterly soulless.
Thanks Ed. Thanks Jim.
check out lee weeks Magnus Vs Predator. Batman yr 1 cribs Every where
I recently got Wolverine #88 the facsimile edition. 😀👍
Honestly, the demonization of drawing from reference or swiping has probably ruined a lot of prospective art careers especially when we have egos in the room like even Frazetta would talk about how he never looked at reference and it all came from his head, people I think took that as gospel and especially when it came to comics you get all these people, artists, teachers, saying that "a real artist never uses reference material" it's the biggest myth and lie that has perpetuated in the art world, and the people who say that are either liars or not artists in any capacity. I don't know how this became controversial, but an artist can't own the copyright to a human pose, or animal poses for that matter, it's ridiculous, there are only so many poses that you can put a body in where it is a) beneficial to the story telling and b) dynamic. Like its one thing if you have a style that's got Bridgman-esque anatomy and then you swipe a Kirby pose and all the sudden the anatomy in the drawing becomes Kirby anatomy, that's one thing or if it messes with the continuity of what the character looks like, but if I swipe a Kirby pose but put my own anatomy on top of that pose, that shouldn't be looked down upon as a swipe or any malpractice. It's just the most irrational argument to ever exist, now these two issues it's a lot but generally, drawing from reference is fine, and any artist that has drawn anything that is based in reality has done it whether they like to admit it or not, its a fact because in order to be able to draw something you have to know what it looks like, you can't draw a pitbull without knowing what a pitbull looks like and have it look like a pitbull, simple as that.
Best video ever❤
Your head isn’t wrong. Larry Hama wrote some great stuff. He did phone it in and make a lot of filler too unfortunately.
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Now day's the kids would be like who is Jim Lee 😂😂 has wolverine met miles Morales yet? 😂
That is hilarious and a little sad 😅
Dude would have been what, 18-ish, when he did these issues?
Old enough to know better.
Got rid of those comics years ago. They’re so shit. Kept the two Kubert issues either side though because they still look really good.
Bell, hit
LONG LIVE EDDIE P
Hi! You guys are the BEST comic book reviewers in the net. One sugestión: can you review "White Thrash" by Martín Edmond it would be a great opportunity to share his unique way of drawing...
Thanks a lot for your excelent Channel 6:57
Can you review Batman Zero Year next!