I have the propagation discussion posted at the same time, and have it set as a nice sneak peak for members first. 6/22 at 6pm it'll switch to fully public, so feel free to wait or consider joining as a member to support us directly. Thanks either way!
We’re in zone 5 near Montreal and it winter killed back to the snow line 3 years ago when it hit -34C. Has bounced back and will fruit first time this year. I suspect it will do the same for you and survive higher up the plant with your more reliable snows in the Sault. Well worth trying.
@@StefanSobkowiak I'm from Montreal, grew up in Rosemere! I'll be looking to get several of the varieties - do they need more than one plant per variety? (please say yes bc then I have a very good reason to get more lol 😂!) Thx, blessings 🌹🕊️
Your videos are SUCH a wonderful source of calm wonder and connection. It is so important. Thank you for what you do and thank you for sharing it with us all!
I have grown red gem and scarlet for 5 years now, along with an ever bearing strawberry and a variety of rapsberries. The strawberries start to ripen in May a couple weeks before the goumi, and there is a fair amount of bird damage to the strawberries at first. Once my goumi start to ripen the birds ignore the strawberries and focus on the goumi. When the strawberries wind down for a pause June the raspberries start to ripen. Though the birds still nab some raspberries, they mostly stick to the goumi. So two goumi berry bushes in my yard basically protect hundreds of strawberries and raspberries for me. When the goumi get dark red they get sweet and tasty, but I prefer the strawberries and rapsberries, so it's a fair trade with the birds.
@@edibleacres Very easy to grow. I never water them, and they make their own nitrogen. They do need some pruning to keep them in check, but that just releases more nitrogen for other plants.
Love the gumi. We have a popular variety here in Japan called “Bikkuri Gumi” with really large fruits, about the size of a large cherry. I’ve found these super easy to propagate through the landscape by just sticking prunings into the ground. Almost always end up as new trees. Also, seems you need at least two varieties for cross-pollination for a good fruit set. I don’t (can’t) have chickens, but this will be in my arsenal for when I do.
i had goumis at my house on the west coast of BC and had tons of fruit... now i live more north and a much higher elevation and have a goumi here... it's growing but hasn't had the abundance of fruit it did down south... but not bad for a zone 2b! my hearty goji appears to finally decided to flower too this year so fingers crossed.
Something so nice about that goumi in the chicken yard, perhaps it being a complete cycle. Such a pretty and bountiful shrub, nice to know the seed has valuable nutrients. I'll see about throwing in some on my friend's land.
Since I started growing perennial fruits about a decade ago in northern WV, no few bushes have come close to producing as much readily edible fruit as productively, as easily, and as reliably. A few trees of the 3 varieties you discuss make for a kind of orchard unto themselves, each bush loaded with fruit from top to bottom, and from the edges into the interior when planted in a relatively sunny location. No fertilization, no pruning. A few spikes in places but no brambles-like thorns. Deer proof in WV, though not where I grow also in northern PA where deer browse has prevented fruiting without fencing. In WV, the 3 varieties provide a month and a half of progressively sweeter ripening, shortened to a month by bird pressure. Through most of its edible ripening stages the fruit is sweet-tart but can ripen to syrupy sweet if protected from birds. If not for the fibrous and off-putting, though nutritious, seeds, goumi season might rival strawberry, cherry, blueberry, raspberry, and grape seasons for desirability, if not too delicate to ship. Since goumi seems more hands-off, easier, reliable, and productive than each of those favored fruits, and earlier than all but strawberry, for home-growers who don't mind, or who can appreciate, the seeds, goumi season provides a dominant, almost imposing berry-size fruit crop each year. While its flavor and seed may be acquired or off-putting to some, its sheer easy, reliable production make up for a lot. A real workhorse, and a marvel. Robins especially will sit in the bushes for weeks going through the berries. A dominant very nice complement in the early season to honeyberry/haskap, and juneberry and strawberry.
I planted it at my last place but needed to move and it just fruited this year at my new place after years it didn't take. It tastes just as delicious as I remember. Like watermelon fruit roll up mixed with cherry. I only got 5 berries, but more will come in future years. My last bush was 9ft tall planted in 2005 and these are only 2 ft. I highly recommend the fruit.
I have a Eleagnus multiflora, bought here in Switzerland but coming from Oregon. Very interesting what you said about the seed. I like to mix Saskatoon and Goumi… they are standing next to each other and a ready together as from mid June. I have a autum Goumi in the chicken run … the chickens use it to climb… and they adore the berries in October. Always nice to listen to your experience with nature ❤ kind rgds Claudia
I have a young Sweet Scarlet goumi tucked in between a fig tree and a large birch. It gets maybe 2-3 hours of full, direct sun and it's still loaded with fruit. Wonderful plant. This season I'm trying to tip layer it for the first time. Have you had much success propagating goumi?
So curious about the fruit leather. Do you blend the seeds in? I just ran out to check my seeds, but I think they’re the bigger varieties. “Fibrous” was a good descriptor :) Would looove to be able to streamline by eating the seeds!
Wow, getting fancy with the thumbnails, eh?!? haha I'll have to try Goumi at some point, we have LOADS of great big Autumn Olive but I still would like to try Goumi. Also you're a brave soul venturing into that thicket barefoot!!
Great video and well timed! I was recently surprised by ripe fruit on the first specimen I planted (red gem) with ripe lovely berries. We eat a lot of autumn olive here and I was happy to see its cousin fruiting in the late spring/early summer (Central VT). It seems like goumi can be the "every person's" autumn olive in that it is not as tart and there are less concerns swarming a landscape. I tend to think like you in that I use the existing autumn olives as nurse trees for other fruit trees but I am concerned about saving Red Gem seed due to cross pollination. Maybe that's not an issue because their bloom times are different?
I have 2 Goumi in their 4th year and one (Red Gem) is doing great but the other (forget which variety) has shriveled fruit and partial disease on the leaves. Spots on the leaves are white/light yellow and dead. It hasn't been very hot yet this summer either. Not sure what's up with that.
This is one thing I very much disagree with in permaculture: the use of NON-native plants in the landscape. Surely there are other native plants that can be used instead! Your liking the Autumn Olive is also very questionable as it is rated as invasive in PA.
I certainly love native plants quite a bit. Goumi does a wonderful job providing an extremely nutrient dense, medicinal, enjoyable fruit that overlaps with strawberry season fixes nitrogen, is deer proof and can be a scaffold for other plants and is hardy between zones 4 and maybe 10. I'm extremely happy to have you share your native analog that does these functions and I would absolutely track it down and commit many to the landscape! As two non-native people exchanging ideas here, I'm sure we're open to a wide range of characters doing wonderful work in our landscapes.
We wouldn't have peaches, apples, pears, plums, etc. if all we did was plant natives. I feel like people go too overboard with the no non-natives debate....after all, most of us Americans aren't native either. Nature isn't static, pieces move around and adapt. All the best to you though and appreciate your input! Happy growing!
The way I see it, I have thousands of native trees, shrubs, vines, and plants on my one acre parcel, which is so much more than most people have. I have pawpaws and persimmons, serviceberries and blueberries...I grow 50 kinds of fruit and nuts. If I also have non-natives that taste good, I'll be happy with the variety of produce, and the pollinators will be (and are) happy with all of the natives that they have to choose from. There is enough that they won't go hungry because I also have non-natives. By putting some non-natives on my land, I'm not contributing to the shipping, pesticides, packaging and all of the other nonsense that goes into me buying an apple in the store. I feel that it is more ecologically sound for some non-native plants that I enjoy eating to be grown here, rather than thousands of miles away with questionable practices. I have to wonder if the "Natives only" people eat apples, peaches or oranges...and if so, if they've considered the unintended consequences that got such fruits to become available for purchase....
I have the propagation discussion posted at the same time, and have it set as a nice sneak peak for members first. 6/22 at 6pm it'll switch to fully public, so feel free to wait or consider joining as a member to support us directly. Thanks either way!
What zone does this grow in? I'm in Ontario Canada, around zone 5-6, just north of Sudbury and close to Sault Ste Marie Ontario.
We’re in zone 5 near Montreal and it winter killed back to the snow line 3 years ago when it hit -34C. Has bounced back and will fruit first time this year. I suspect it will do the same for you and survive higher up the plant with your more reliable snows in the Sault. Well worth trying.
@@StefanSobkowiak I'm from Montreal, grew up in Rosemere! I'll be looking to get several of the varieties - do they need more than one plant per variety? (please say yes bc then I have a very good reason to get more lol 😂!) Thx, blessings 🌹🕊️
Annie it’s always good to get more than one just in case one dies, so yes.
Your videos are SUCH a wonderful source of calm wonder and connection. It is so important. Thank you for what you do and thank you for sharing it with us all!
I have grown red gem and scarlet for 5 years now, along with an ever bearing strawberry and a variety of rapsberries. The strawberries start to ripen in May a couple weeks before the goumi, and there is a fair amount of bird damage to the strawberries at first. Once my goumi start to ripen the birds ignore the strawberries and focus on the goumi. When the strawberries wind down for a pause June the raspberries start to ripen. Though the birds still nab some raspberries, they mostly stick to the goumi. So two goumi berry bushes in my yard basically protect hundreds of strawberries and raspberries for me. When the goumi get dark red they get sweet and tasty, but I prefer the strawberries and rapsberries, so it's a fair trade with the birds.
Really great to read this as they are such an easy crop to grow and so abundant
@@edibleacres Very easy to grow. I never water them, and they make their own nitrogen. They do need some pruning to keep them in check, but that just releases more nitrogen for other plants.
@edibleacres would they grow & flourish in a Tropical climate or do they require some "chill hours"?
@@geriannroth449 From what I've read they need to be in hardiness zone 4 - 9, and require 100-450 chill hours.
@ronk4073 oh ok thanks
"They come with little handles" 😂😂
Love the gumi. We have a popular variety here in Japan called “Bikkuri Gumi” with really large fruits, about the size of a large cherry. I’ve found these super easy to propagate through the landscape by just sticking prunings into the ground. Almost always end up as new trees. Also, seems you need at least two varieties for cross-pollination for a good fruit set. I don’t (can’t) have chickens, but this will be in my arsenal for when I do.
i had goumis at my house on the west coast of BC and had tons of fruit... now i live more north and a much higher elevation and have a goumi here... it's growing but hasn't had the abundance of fruit it did down south... but not bad for a zone 2b! my hearty goji appears to finally decided to flower too this year so fingers crossed.
I would love to have one
Something so nice about that goumi in the chicken yard, perhaps it being a complete cycle. Such a pretty and bountiful shrub, nice to know the seed has valuable nutrients. I'll see about throwing in some on my friend's land.
Since I started growing perennial fruits about a decade ago in northern WV, no few bushes have come close to producing as much readily edible fruit as productively, as easily, and as reliably. A few trees of the 3 varieties you discuss make for a kind of orchard unto themselves, each bush loaded with fruit from top to bottom, and from the edges into the interior when planted in a relatively sunny location. No fertilization, no pruning. A few spikes in places but no brambles-like thorns. Deer proof in WV, though not where I grow also in northern PA where deer browse has prevented fruiting without fencing. In WV, the 3 varieties provide a month and a half of progressively sweeter ripening, shortened to a month by bird pressure. Through most of its edible ripening stages the fruit is sweet-tart but can ripen to syrupy sweet if protected from birds. If not for the fibrous and off-putting, though nutritious, seeds, goumi season might rival strawberry, cherry, blueberry, raspberry, and grape seasons for desirability, if not too delicate to ship. Since goumi seems more hands-off, easier, reliable, and productive than each of those favored fruits, and earlier than all but strawberry, for home-growers who don't mind, or who can appreciate, the seeds, goumi season provides a dominant, almost imposing berry-size fruit crop each year. While its flavor and seed may be acquired or off-putting to some, its sheer easy, reliable production make up for a lot. A real workhorse, and a marvel. Robins especially will sit in the bushes for weeks going through the berries. A dominant very nice complement in the early season to honeyberry/haskap, and juneberry and strawberry.
I planted it at my last place but needed to move and it just fruited this year at my new place after years it didn't take. It tastes just as delicious as I remember. Like watermelon fruit roll up mixed with cherry. I only got 5 berries, but more will come in future years. My last bush was 9ft tall planted in 2005 and these are only 2 ft. I highly recommend the fruit.
Fabulous information, something I can add to my food forest.
I have a Eleagnus multiflora, bought here in Switzerland but coming from Oregon. Very interesting what you said about the seed. I like to mix Saskatoon and Goumi… they are standing next to each other and a ready together as from mid June. I have a autum Goumi in the chicken run … the chickens use it to climb… and they adore the berries in October. Always nice to listen to your experience with nature ❤ kind rgds Claudia
Wonder goumi!
I enjoy mine I eat as much as I can
They are a lovely fruit to be sure
Thanks!
I have a young Sweet Scarlet goumi tucked in between a fig tree and a large birch. It gets maybe 2-3 hours of full, direct sun and it's still loaded with fruit. Wonderful plant.
This season I'm trying to tip layer it for the first time. Have you had much success propagating goumi?
I shared notes in a follow up video out tomorrow...
I had a goumi berry tree and it died this week. Sad.
So curious about the fruit leather. Do you blend the seeds in? I just ran out to check my seeds, but I think they’re the bigger varieties. “Fibrous” was a good descriptor :)
Would looove to be able to streamline by eating the seeds!
Wow, getting fancy with the thumbnails, eh?!? haha I'll have to try Goumi at some point, we have LOADS of great big Autumn Olive but I still would like to try Goumi. Also you're a brave soul venturing into that thicket barefoot!!
I want to try growing some in the hot dry sandy Nevada. Going to look for some from seed companies.
Thank you 🌻🤩👵🏻👩🌾❣️
Good luck!
Eat the seed! Ok needed that information! Mine are done fruiting here in Middle Tennessee 🖖😎
Yeah they move quick! Seeds are lovely.
Great video and well timed! I was recently surprised by ripe fruit on the first specimen I planted (red gem) with ripe lovely berries. We eat a lot of autumn olive here and I was happy to see its cousin fruiting in the late spring/early summer (Central VT). It seems like goumi can be the "every person's" autumn olive in that it is not as tart and there are less concerns swarming a landscape. I tend to think like you in that I use the existing autumn olives as nurse trees for other fruit trees but I am concerned about saving Red Gem seed due to cross pollination. Maybe that's not an issue because their bloom times are different?
Mine is going crazy with fruit right now. I eat them fresh and freeze them. I’m really interested in more ways to use them. Any suggestions?
Same here and same here. Very interested in the fruit leather idea, especially if the seeds can be blended in somehow…?
Chicken going crazy 😁🇦🇺
I have 2 Goumi in their 4th year and one (Red Gem) is doing great but the other (forget which variety) has shriveled fruit and partial disease on the leaves. Spots on the leaves are white/light yellow and dead. It hasn't been very hot yet this summer either. Not sure what's up with that.
Can you grow just 1 plant ir does it need 2 varieties?
Two for best pollinating
Is there a variety of goumi that is hardy in Zone 3?
I don't know. I believe zone 4 is pretty reasonable for them for most winters
@@edibleacres Thanks. I've been looking for a zone 3 variety but I guess it just doesn't exist outside of my dreams. 😞
His voice reminds me of the hippy teacher on Beavis and Butthead.
This is one thing I very much disagree with in permaculture: the use of NON-native plants in the landscape. Surely there are other native plants that can be used instead! Your liking the Autumn Olive is also very questionable as it is rated as invasive in PA.
I certainly love native plants quite a bit. Goumi does a wonderful job providing an extremely nutrient dense, medicinal, enjoyable fruit that overlaps with strawberry season fixes nitrogen, is deer proof and can be a scaffold for other plants and is hardy between zones 4 and maybe 10. I'm extremely happy to have you share your native analog that does these functions and I would absolutely track it down and commit many to the landscape!
As two non-native people exchanging ideas here, I'm sure we're open to a wide range of characters doing wonderful work in our landscapes.
If I only planted native fruiting perennials, I would starve.
We wouldn't have peaches, apples, pears, plums, etc. if all we did was plant natives. I feel like people go too overboard with the no non-natives debate....after all, most of us Americans aren't native either. Nature isn't static, pieces move around and adapt. All the best to you though and appreciate your input! Happy growing!
The way I see it, I have thousands of native trees, shrubs, vines, and plants on my one acre parcel, which is so much more than most people have. I have pawpaws and persimmons, serviceberries and blueberries...I grow 50 kinds of fruit and nuts. If I also have non-natives that taste good, I'll be happy with the variety of produce, and the pollinators will be (and are) happy with all of the natives that they have to choose from. There is enough that they won't go hungry because I also have non-natives.
By putting some non-natives on my land, I'm not contributing to the shipping, pesticides, packaging and all of the other nonsense that goes into me buying an apple in the store. I feel that it is more ecologically sound for some non-native plants that I enjoy eating to be grown here, rather than thousands of miles away with questionable practices. I have to wonder if the "Natives only" people eat apples, peaches or oranges...and if so, if they've considered the unintended consequences that got such fruits to become available for purchase....