Oooooh...everyone back my kickstarter campaign for a revolutionary new 3d printer! It has 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms, in a really nice neighbourhood....er...I mean....its an amazing printer with never before seen features! Upgrade to the premium version to get an additional 2 bedroom guest house....er....I mean even more features....print food, money, metal, crypotocurrencies....
Maker's Muse , I’m not collecting money but I am going to be designing a 3D printer, literally like never before. I’m starting with making my own motors, so different than a servo and a stepper but better than both. And another feature I can’t mention here that is a game changer, my motors are going to give me less than micron accuracy with fast speed. I want your input... if your willing to keep quiet and not take my ideas
@@Reach3DPrinters been put off on the back burner (lol) I have a very inventive mind, most of my ideas I never carry out cause of no free time and or the money and time to do it. But I never forget my ideas.... I'm a truck driver,... drive,sleep,drive,sleep... No free time. If certain things happen in the stock market and I can do very well off of dividends and not have to work anymore, I'm going to build all my ideas. Oh also outside of my motor design, I thought of a printer / cnc mill design that has no linear parts, everything is radial movement. And all the parts are flawlessly symmetrical. Meaning like a slice of a pie, do you want 3,4,8,32 etc slices bolted together, less slices bolted together means larger prints/mills and more precision accuracy. ... But whats im getting at is a "parent" can create a "child" much larger than it's self.
@@davidprock904 I bought some NIO a couple months ago... it just started taking off this last couple weeks. My TSLA stock is also doing pretty well this last year! The future of locomotion is electric. These companies will take control of the auto market within 5-10 years. If you can throw a few hundred into NIO, I would recommend it while its still fairly cheap, but of course, thats the stock market, no guarantees. Tesla is a pretty safe semi long term bet though.
I enjoyed this video! I remember many of those campaigns. I have many times been tempted to "pledge", but my gut feeling and available money has stopped me. Also since many of the campaigns ships after a year or more, their sellingpoints and features might be outdated when, and if, they hit the market.
I’ve been burnt far too many times on kickstarter and indiegogo. I’ll never back another item on either of those services. Weird thing is, I actually got the 101 hero, and that was one of the few things I thought I would never get!
I never thought the 101hero would arrive either. It's such a curious machine that I'm happy with my purchase even though it sucks. To have nothing at all be delivered for some of these more expensive projects though... inexcusable.
I got my 101hero as well, and as for you guys, I didn't expect it one day ! It's a shit for sure but we can find a few tutorials on how to upgrade it, by replacing almost everything !
I picked up the Trinus, in part from your positive review. It was my first (and so far only) 3D printer. It works, I can print but I found reliability to be a big issue, which is another thing that you can't gauge for a Kickstarter campaign. Still, it was cheap enough to push me over the edge and it's been enough to get my feet wet so overall pretty happy :)
Heck Angus, as a Cetus3D MK1 owner I didn't get burnt at all and I don't think I've come across any Cetus owner that feels that they were burnt. The "problem" that you mention with the MK1 Cetus had various solutions via the community and eventually by Cetus who offerred a low-cost fix kit to the arm lowering on power down. MK1 Cetus owners burnt? definitely not! I am still so pleased with my MK1 Cetus. I'm quite shocked that you'd describe Cetus KS backers as being burnt with what they received.
I would also say while I love my Cetus I've since scrapped their CPU on my MK1 and replaced it with tinyfabs replacement smoothie based CPU. And its fantastic. My main complaints about the Cetus MK1 in stock form still relates to the MK2 and its honestly the Up/Cetus Software and slicer its so limited and constricting it makes the printer less fun to use. You can use Simplify 3d with a stock Cetus but its not a easy process for newbies and people just starting to 3d print so I would recommend if anyone who already owns a 3d printer get a Cetus they upgrade to the Tinyfab CPU as well.
jonathan anderson I think a lot of people are perfectly happy with the stock Cetus and the Cetus slicer. It’s perfectly possible to use other slicers without the tiny fab unit. I’m not knocking the excellent tinyfab option, but that’s what it is - an option for some people - definitely not an essential update.
I've been looking into getting a 3d printer and I keep coming back to the Cetus MK2. Would you recommend it for a first time 3d printer. I would be wanting to print TPU alot for my quad. I'm in NZ or I would probably get the MP mini2 but shipping is horrendous.
Maker's Muse When friends asked me if they should back Ono, I told them : "How much will you miss your 100€ if they don't deliver?" They backed it anyway but at least they're not too bitter about it ^^
It's a shame, I actually really like the Tiko....not because of how it prints.....no...it's just....awful. Aesthetically, it's gorgeous. It's surprisingly low power and the fact that it had/has/had Wi-Fi...was pretty neat! I tore mine apart and disappointingly it uses a Texas Instruments chip which, to my knowledge, uses proprietary software you must purchase to reprogram it...so it's cheaper to make another board for it...legitimately. (I am actually doing that by the way, based off of the Duet Wi-Fi 1.03 so it maintains as much of the original aesthetics as I can manage.) I am a CNC Machinist and a passionate maker, I'm going to try to fix mine. I'm going to see if I can give it what it should have had out of the box reusing as much as possible yet quickly scrapping parts if they are not sufficient. If I'm successful I'll release all the files so those that hung onto those can fix their own...it's mainly a challenge to me. Wtf is wrong with me? 😆🤓
hansdietrich83 That's not completely true because it entirely depends on [why] it is low power. Is it low power because the motors are more efficient? Is the print environment well insulated?? A printer using a ton of power does not equal a good or high-quality machine, it could be because the components are terrible and there is a lot of friction to overcome when the machine wants to move. Not sure you thought about that. If a computer sucks up a ton of power, is that good? No, not particularly. It depends on a lot of variables.
I backed the Reach 3D Kickstarter printer in March 2016. They delivered mine in October of 2016 and eventually they delivered to every backer. I'm still using the printer.
I backed the Reach 3D Printer... and I use it daily! It’s a great Printer and has terrific support via Google+! It’s too bad Angus or Joe Telling (@3dprintingnerd) never reviewed them!
Yep, I was stung with that one, and also stung with the "ready to ship, pay shipping money now" on the same project. Kickstarter won't answer any questions on the project at all, real shame as mostly my Kickstarter experience has been great.
There is a good video by @JAT.MN in which he analyzes why the tiko3d campaign failed. What was also bad in the last time were the several mk42 campaigns. The GB located campaign was bad because the bed were mostly unusable because they were too much bent. (when you got one) And the one from @jjacobsensnake were produced but (looks like mostly) not sent out. And he stopped communicating with the backer when he got all the money. There actually some guy who want to make quick cash: www.indiegogo.com/projects/origin-prusa-i3-mk2s-clone/x/8072847#/ (he had also a mk42 heatbed campaign before) Those campaigns don't get any support because the trust in crowdfunding is gone. At the early mk42 campaigns there was no source for the mk42 but now you can get it from orballo printing in spain with a really good quality for 60€ -> AND YOU GET IT ...
Hope to receive my Snapmaker within now and a week time. I always had the same vision, I never bought the Snapmaker, but donated them and got a Snapmaker as a reward. That's what it is. And being supportive to a company would help better than the no-brain complainers expecting premium stuff.. A lot of blabla but totally 0% brain to think they've supported a new company instead of wanting and expecting the BMW under all 3D printers. I've a good relationship with people behind Snapmaker, I believe they are one of the few companies that could survive the 1st generation wave into the next generations.
Same here. Received mine last week, and other than bed adhesion issues, Its been a pretty good 3D Printer. I'm waiting for the enclosure to play with the CNC and Laser print heads. The software is also pretty good for beta quality.
I spent $1900 on the 2015 Kickstarter for the Glowforge laser cutter. It was supposed to ship in summer 2016. I just got it about a month ago December 2017 after many many delays. I'm glad I did it now, but it I knew it was going to be over a year late, I probably would not have bought it. That being said it is a great tool and it mostly does what they promised, although the instruction book is almost nonexistent. They seem to be counting on people in the forms to substitute for documention.
I've had my Trinus for about a year now, and I'm still happy with my purchase. I've used it for printing Christmas presents, knick-knacks, and normal printables. For the price, the build volume is quite small, but as long as you are inventive you can get around that limitation. The max speed is about 70mm/s, which is a lot slower than belt driven printers. The main redeeming quality for the Trinus, in my opinion, is the precision and durability of the metal parts. Prints rarely fail and if they do, its due to user error and not any quirk of the printer itself. I'd love if they came out with a size expansion for the print volume, and due to the modular nature of the printer this would be quite easy to achieve. Looking back I would have bought an Anet A8 or something a bit faster, but the Trinus is great for printing things while you are away at work, and the metal construction is less of a fire hazard.
About 1500 backers are now receiving their MOOZ printer around the world. This is one campaign that is delivering with good results by users who know what they're doing.
Last night I dreamt that you were at a maker's faire in Norway, and you gave advice to people on how to improve their print results. But, even though I had plenty of problems with my prints, I was too lazy to walk the hundred metres to the fair to talk to you. Most exciting dream ever!
I spent around $700 on the Thingybot Delta on Kickstarter several years ago. Shortly after he announced that units would soon be shipping, he went silent. Backers got nothing but an apology years later about how everything went wrong. And more silence. However, some backers noticed how his mothers Facebook page showed him going on a cruise to Hawaii. Oh well. I’ve since gone on to buy an M3D Micro+, which was nothing but a toy; an Anet A8, which was a challenging kit that brought out the tinkerer in me and gives me phenomenal prints; and an Anycubic I3Mega-S, which is a great reliable workhorse.
Was one of the lucky few to get a Buccaneer. If you did your printers dead now anyway as it required you to log into there server to use meaning when they shut down the printer became unusable. I am currently replacing the internals to make it somewhat useable.
I've got a couple unusual 3D Printers, one that was actually an initial Kickstarter. I have a Dobot MOOZ 2. Now I did not buy it during the Kickstarter campaign but a few years afterwards buying on Amazon. Amazon had these for around $300 for a small build plate but it does 3D Printing, Laser and CNC. I do have to tell you that I have compared prints vs. a neighbor that has an original PRUSA and he is shocked that I get better prints than he does at similar CURA settings. So, for $300 I made out well. AND to top it off, not sure if I got a refurbished unit BUT I bought a second one that I have set up exclusively for Laser work, the second one I got for $189. Now the second machine I have is a Sindoh. I am not a fan of the autoloading cassette and I have had problems with that but, fortunately, they now allow for open source filament and, as long as you are careful loading the filament and you don't buy the cheapest filament the machine works well. I have had filament jams in the extruder and that requires open heart surgery where the Dobot MOOZ is much easer as all you have to do is open the print module vs. opening the side panel, removing the extruder gear assembly and then, finally clearing the filament jam. I do not have other Boden product but, I assume that filament jams are a pain in those machines as well. The Dobot is much easier when jams occur. A similar machine seems to be the snapmaker but they are very costly so I went with the Dobot.
Definitely waiting on the ONO/OLO with bated breath... that at least has a revolutionary method of light projection. Although the backers are pretty pissed at the 4 year delay.
It's still baffling to see so many people still backing kickstarter campaigns that are over-hyped but have obvious red flags. I mean, failed kickstarter campaigns have been popping out for years now... surely people should know better. A bit of patience, healthy skepticism, and online research could have saved the money they now lost to these campaigns. BTW, good video Angus. Keep up doing this series! :)
As the phrase goes, there's one born every minute. There are people who don't know about these failed campaigns, don't read up on what they're buying, and go "ooh, shiny!". They also don't pay attention to the fact that KS is not a "buy it", it's a "donate your funds and perhaps get a return".
There are things that have better track records. Board games for instance are consistent. I find many products have a few issues that make it difficult to trust though.
I agree Ninja, I have backed mostly board games and never have one been missed, some delayed but always deliver. I also enjoy seeing them on shelves, you get a sense of, I helped put them there. Video games like the 3D printers tho, grumble lol. Ezra, I think most of those tend to be noobs at it, I find that as they experience their first loss in a failed campaign they quickly learn their mistake.
Also, if a company already makes 3D printers, if they run out of money from Kickstarter, they can use additional money from their other products to finish development of their new printer.
You could make a checklist from your experiences that could be considered when starting, or financing a kickstarter project. A checklist would force the campaign to consider doing the important stuff.
Cobblebot also deserves a mention for the amount of people they screwed over, not only in the first kickstarter they had but also in the 2nd one, unhappy backers from the first campaign posted warnings to others on the 2nd kickstarter that the company hadn't fulfilled the original orders and kickstarter actually removed most of the warnings and barred users from posting complaints, a few months later backers from the 2nd kickstarter got to experience it all over again for themselves. Never used kickstarted again sice they were clearly more intereseted in making money than protecting the publics interest
Angus, I backed the Craftbot back in 2014, it finally got to me in Jan 2015, about 5 months after their estimated shipping date. Which, in all honesty, is pretty amazing. Since the printer they shipped, despite some initial issues, turned out to be a fantastic work horse. I am still using it today (it's printing right now!) But back then I had different expectation of Kickstarter projects. Nowadays, if a crowdfunded hardware campaign delivers within 1 year of their estimated date, I think that's on time. And this is frankly the problem with crowdfunding 3D printer campaigns these days. Unlike back in 2014, there are so many fantastic printers available that won't break the bank these days. Also, since most hardware campaigns are years late in delivery, chances are, whatever nifty feature that was unique in some campaign video is probably going to be standard feature by the time you actually get your campaign reward. So yeah, I totally agree that people should think of crowdfunding as just a donation.
would really like to see more SLA printers hoping in the next year costs come down on them 200-300$ range would be worth considering for me so sla kick starters would be awesome for reviews (any high def printer really but sla is the king of detail right now)
Hey, Thanks for the content I've been 3D printing for the past 3 months and your videos have helped so much, Been using a Cocoon Create. Probably the most well thought out and put together videos out there. My friend Kickstarted the SparkMaker, still waiting on that one to deliver though.
kodama basically didn't change anything... the LCD and the outer casing was already on the panowin Taobao store BEFORE the Kickstarter. I personally own one and its been my workhorse for 3 and a half years until I switched to cr-10
I backed the Printrbot Kickstarter back in 2011 for the $800 lasercut Printrbot Plus model, and while the company seems to still exist and is still doing stuff, it pretty much permanently soured me to the Printrbot company and Kickstarter. The project ran late, a lot of people started whining in the comment section until one guy threatened to commit credit card fraud if he didn't get his printer right away, so they sent it to him. The printer itself was wobbly, the Z-axis brackets were wrong and caused nasty layer rippling in prints, and the extrusion gear I got was one of their resin molded ones, which was so catastrophically warped that it couldn't even drive the extruder. The Stepper drivers they provided were the wrong kind for the motors, which led to my extrusion motor getting burned out. And I will never back another Kickstarter project because of my experience. I eventually sent the whole mess to some poor schmuck on Twitter who volunteered to pay me cost of shipping and replaced it with a $300 Maker Select V2, which, after some minor tinkering and calibration, has worked flawlessly for the last 2 years.
I backed the rigidbot about 4yrs ago I think, took a while but I eventually got it and still use it, I've just backed the Sparkmaker a few months back and they are gearing up for delivery now so I seem to be doing ok with my Kickstarters so far
Ahhh the Buccaneer, I was on the verge of buying one during the campaign. So glad I didn't! Although the Two-Up I ended up getting wasn't such a big improvement!
The TIKO delta 3d printer was the first project I've backed that failed to ship (at least, it didn't ship to me; as far as I know only a handful of backers got anything). I've backed a LOT of Kickstarters, and that was the only 3d printer I tried. I almost backed the Snapmaker 3d printer/CNC/Laser engraver, but then I discovered the CR-10.
I actually got my Moai thanks to your review when I was just about to buy a Wanhao Dup i3, I am very happy that I went with the SLA printer in the end though since I am a character artist and it can do some amazing figure prints! Thank you for that helpful review!
i got my cetus because of Maker muse, i was one of the very first 10 to get it and i freaking love it , its a wonderful machine that gets almost no love
I must have missed this video Angus so just caught it today, i also backed the 101 hero and received it (i know could not believe it !!) on opening the box i quickly shut it and put it up for sale on the web as i knew this was gonna be trouble.....on the bright side i got my money back from the sale but the recipient had to fix the board due to bad component placement although on a good thing the manufacturers did offer to send a new complete board if i wanted...
To hell with crowd funding and early access games. A person or company with zero history of success or expertise just announces that they will make something and everybody donates with no guarantee of delivery, virtually no legal rights, and no enforcable timetable of delivery. Why did consumers EVER get behind this method of purchase? Let the businesses do it the old fashioned way; raise the capital from sceptical investors, develop the product, and sell it the normal way. Anything else is madness from a purchaser perspective.
I think for cheap printers, a kit one is the way to go. I got an Anet A8 on a site when it was on sale for $133 (and no, surprisingly it wasn't a scam) and it prints really well. There are probably other great kit ones out there, too. They also have a much bigger printing area than those $300 "toy" ones.
Well the OLO/ONO is what brought me to your channel (to correct you on some things you got wrong in a late night recording/uploading session, which you acknowledged) but after checking out some of your other videos I decided at the last miute to bail on that project and trust someone I didn't know but who seemed to know better (so, THANKS). I've been a subscriber to your channel since then and I watch 'almost' all of your new videos as well as refer back to your old ones every now and then. I even bought your eBook. As for Kickstarter 3D printers. I've backed 4 to the end now (as in actually paid the cash and not bailed before the campaign ended) and received 3 of them (the 4th being Tiko). None have been any good. There's so much available now I don't see why anyone would bother with KS for this type of product anymore. The risk of loosing your $$'s completely or getting a dud is way too high.
I backed the Tiko because at the time it was ridiculously cheap (I'd recently paid $550 for a CTC-3D dual extruder.) but by the time it finally shipped (to _some_ backers, me included) the same CTC printer was only $300 so that price on the Tiko wasn't looking so hot anymore. I've backed 30 projects on Kickstarter, and 3 on IndieGoGo, and the Tiko is the only project I've not been happy with. When it comes to crowdfunding, you just gotta pick your battles. The Tiko was the only thing I ever really 'took a chance' on.
I don’t even look at Kickstarter any longer. It is just too much of a risk. This video by Angus just proves this. Nearly all of the campaigns have either failed or the results have been terrible.
People make the mistake of thinking the can get a cool product at a great price by backing. But as you said the chances of receiving what was "promised" in a timely manner and in good working long lasting order are pretty abismal compared to the normal purchasing experience. Basically the campaigners want to try something, usually that they have never done before, and they want your money to fund that experiment. I think there would be a lot fewer successful campaigns if people realized that. Just looking at the comments on failed projects shows how the perception and reality of these things simply don't mesh.
Kickstarted board games have been a good experience for me, though they fell into the same part, they had a proto type and were testing suppliers of the cards before even creating the campaign. I knew it was a donation and I keep seeing them at the conference so it seems like they are still making games which is cool. What they are doing is also a bit harder to have fail to be honest. Also pre orders, i am talking about actual preorders ie video games are a terrible idea.
There's so many Kickstarters and Indiegogo campaigns where the creator makes a decent product, but instead of fulfilling the backer perks, start selling retail on Tindie or other such sites. They'll cheerfully ship to retail purchasers, and even BRAG about how many sales they've fulfilled, with dozens or hundreds of backers swinging in the wind, getting no responses from the creator besides a virtual _digitus impudicus._
It's not worth backing a cheap 3D printer campaign when they are already out there. Back in December 2016 I picked up a da Vinci Mini for £137 on a special from Ebuyer. That's a proper printer with good support, for a cost that's not really worth trying to beat. Just keep an eye out for special offers if you want a cheap 3D printer.
Another great video, Angus. You're analysis of Kickstarter (and other crowdfunded organizations) is dead-on. Kickstarter is essentially a site for speculators and first adopters. Basically the same dynamic as the stock market. Nothing is wrong with participating on it, as long as you understand that there is risk. Some of this risk is catastrophic (like the implosions that Angus alludes to). In other cases, they are simply delays. In my case, I've been influenced to buy 3 things that derived from Kickstarter campaigns. I bought the Kodama Trinus after the campaign (when it was in regular production). In that case, I didn't share the risk that the early funders did, but I benefited greatly from their early support to the Kodama. (I love my Trinus.) On another Kickstarter campaign, I got off of the sidelines and was an early funder for the Glowforge. I felt confident enough that the product was viable that I stuck in there, even after the year-plus delays. (Supposedly, it ships this month and early bugs seem to have been worked out. Also, no other company has come along with a better product.) Finally, I was an IndieGogo funder for the Eve V computer. It was definitely higher risk, but again their product seemed viable. But, to offset the risk, I held back most of my money. Now, the units are shipping and the reviews are generally good. So, all in all my experiences have been good. But, the risk has always been there. In each case, I calculated the upside potential of my decision. I was also able to absorb the loss, if any of these campaigns went bust. This is a decision that everyone needs to make for themselves.
An interesting follow up to this video and to give the perspective of the people who ran one would be to have a chat with the folks at Eora scanners as they have now delivered the bulk of their units, about 18 months late. As they are reasonably local to you it would be too hard to achieve.
Great video with some important tips about when (if ever!) to risk some money on a Kickstarter 3D printer (from another one of the many who lost out on the Tiko).
_"his proposal for a lock is not a good idea either"_ _"he forgot to mention that there should be an emergency stop if the kids reach in"_ *Don't need an emergency stop if the thing locks while in use, genius!* An emergency stop? I'm sure that'll prevent kids from burning themselves on a nozzle hot enough to melt plast-...er, um, corn...stuff...
Since when reviewing a product requires reviewing of octoprint and slicer's and when did pla become non plastic (corn plant) I don't understand is he or she dumb or trolling cause I lost a brain cell when I read pla is not plastic
lol corporation : PLA (polylactic acid) is a biodegradable polymer, often made from corn plants (or cotton plants, if I'm not mistaken). But even if it's not coming from the "standard process" of polymerisation of a petroleum base, PLA is classified as a plastic, by definition. In fact, the guy in the comment, Angus is referring to, has clearly no idea what a plastic is...
I almost pledged for the SolidMaker on kickstarter and glad I opted not to, the final days of the project seemed kind of sketchy with multiple people pulling out.
Hi Angus! Brief question: ever heard of the SnapMaker 3-in-1 printer from Kickstarter? 3-in-1 because there are three exchangeable modules for 3D-printing, laser engraving and CNC carving. It is currently shipping (mine will arrive in a few weeks), but I'm wondering if you ever plan to do a review or get one...
I backed Obsidian on Kickstarter mostly after watching your review and I really hope they deliver, even if Iàm definitely unhappy the way they are running the campaing (lack of updates) but man, I don't held you accountable in any possible way: I was well aware of what a Kickstarter campaign is when I backed them up. On the other hand, if I knew their first campaign was about rebranding an existing machine I would probably haven't backed it at the pledge level I did. Looking back, with a couple hundred euros more I could have got a Prusa MK3
I was at CES 2018 and saw the MiniToy there and talked with them. I agree that it seems very cheaply made. No door lock on that model either. They are now promising 450mm/min on their other 3D printers, but only with special filament.
Great video, Angus. According TekThing, at least, the 3d Printer activity has consolidated considerably at CES this year, compared to last year. I think the market is maturing and the original gold rush mentality is wearing off, giving rise to hopefully better engineered designs .
Angus, You seem to me that you know what you are talking about, 221 subscribers can't be wrong. Well why don't you and some of your mates get a kick starter going ? You know whats wrong and right with 3d printers. good on you Ralph
I know the market well enough to know it's already flooded. You would have to develop something incredibly different to stand out and even then it would need to be at a low enough price point to compete with direct from china machines. Not interested in it :)
You forgot a good (in a bad way).....the Tiko. Want a mess that kickstarter was. I got a beta Tiko and it was the unicorn of the batch. It printed well, but seemed to be one of the only ones that did. However it only lasted for about 50 prints, then the extruder stopped working, and a new one wasn't worth the money or effort.
You missed the WORST blunder in 3D printer history: Tiko. Where they even collected SHIPPING COSTS 2 years later and still never sent the printer. And... Over 3 million in funding on the Kickstarter campaign alone.
Ah tiko... I think they deserve an entire video dedicated. I was going to touch on OLO/ONO too but video was already too long. Will be doing a part 2 for sure.
Oooooh...everyone back my kickstarter campaign for a revolutionary new 3d printer! It has 5 bedrooms, 4 bathrooms, in a really nice neighbourhood....er...I mean....its an amazing printer with never before seen features! Upgrade to the premium version to get an additional 2 bedroom guest house....er....I mean even more features....print food, money, metal, crypotocurrencies....
That comment cracked me up. “He thinks PLA is plastic”.
+Hackintosh he sure told me!
Wow, a reviewer who actually goes back and checks on the progress of products he reviewed! Good, professional attitude.
How did you forget the Tiko! What a nightmare...
Maker's Muse , I’m not collecting money but I am going to be designing a 3D printer, literally like never before. I’m starting with making my own motors, so different than a servo and a stepper but better than both. And another feature I can’t mention here that is a game changer, my motors are going to give me less than micron accuracy with fast speed. I want your input... if your willing to keep quiet and not take my ideas
progress?
@@Reach3DPrinters been put off on the back burner (lol) I have a very inventive mind, most of my ideas I never carry out cause of no free time and or the money and time to do it. But I never forget my ideas....
I'm a truck driver,... drive,sleep,drive,sleep...
No free time. If certain things happen in the stock market and I can do very well off of dividends and not have to work anymore, I'm going to build all my ideas.
Oh also outside of my motor design,
I thought of a printer / cnc mill design that has no linear parts, everything is radial movement. And all the parts are flawlessly symmetrical. Meaning like a slice of a pie, do you want 3,4,8,32 etc slices bolted together, less slices bolted together means larger prints/mills and more precision accuracy.
... But whats im getting at is a "parent" can create a "child" much larger than it's self.
@@davidprock904 I bought some NIO a couple months ago... it just started taking off this last couple weeks. My TSLA stock is also doing pretty well this last year!
The future of locomotion is electric. These companies will take control of the auto market within 5-10 years. If you can throw a few hundred into NIO, I would recommend it while its still fairly cheap, but of course, thats the stock market, no guarantees. Tesla is a pretty safe semi long term bet though.
Woah, you don't block ads on youtube. The hero we need
It'd be pretty hypocritical of me! :P
I enjoyed this video! I remember many of those campaigns. I have many times been tempted to "pledge", but my gut feeling and available money has stopped me. Also since many of the campaigns ships after a year or more, their sellingpoints and features might be outdated when, and if, they hit the market.
I’ve been burnt far too many times on kickstarter and indiegogo. I’ll never back another item on either of those services. Weird thing is, I actually got the 101 hero, and that was one of the few things I thought I would never get!
I never thought the 101hero would arrive either. It's such a curious machine that I'm happy with my purchase even though it sucks. To have nothing at all be delivered for some of these more expensive projects though... inexcusable.
I got my 101hero as well, and as for you guys, I didn't expect it one day ! It's a shit for sure but we can find a few tutorials on how to upgrade it, by replacing almost everything !
Ha ha. I thought the ad at 7:50 was on my computer and tried to click it away.
I was sure immediately when I fell for it that I would find at least 1 comment pointing it out.
I was one of the backers of the peachy printer. So hyped all the time and after 3 years the house was build. wow.
I picked up the Trinus, in part from your positive review. It was my first (and so far only) 3D printer. It works, I can print but I found reliability to be a big issue, which is another thing that you can't gauge for a Kickstarter campaign. Still, it was cheap enough to push me over the edge and it's been enough to get my feet wet so overall pretty happy :)
Heck Angus, as a Cetus3D MK1 owner I didn't get burnt at all and I don't think I've come across any Cetus owner that feels that they were burnt. The "problem" that you mention with the MK1 Cetus had various solutions via the community and eventually by Cetus who offerred a low-cost fix kit to the arm lowering on power down. MK1 Cetus owners burnt? definitely not! I am still so pleased with my MK1 Cetus. I'm quite shocked that you'd describe Cetus KS backers as being burnt with what they received.
True, 'burnt' was an overstatement! The Cetus is still one of the best budget machines i've tested, period. The MK2 is substantially improved however.
I agree, I'm quite happy with my purchase of a mark 1 extended and it is generally my go to printer over my Up2 plus
I would also say while I love my Cetus I've since scrapped their CPU on my MK1 and replaced it with tinyfabs replacement smoothie based CPU. And its fantastic. My main complaints about the Cetus MK1 in stock form still relates to the MK2 and its honestly the Up/Cetus Software and slicer its so limited and constricting it makes the printer less fun to use. You can use Simplify 3d with a stock Cetus but its not a easy process for newbies and people just starting to 3d print so I would recommend if anyone who already owns a 3d printer get a Cetus they upgrade to the Tinyfab CPU as well.
jonathan anderson I think a lot of people are perfectly happy with the stock Cetus and the Cetus slicer. It’s perfectly possible to use other slicers without the tiny fab unit. I’m not knocking the excellent tinyfab option, but that’s what it is - an option for some people - definitely not an essential update.
I've been looking into getting a 3d printer and I keep coming back to the Cetus MK2. Would you recommend it for a first time 3d printer. I would be wanting to print TPU alot for my quad. I'm in NZ or I would probably get the MP mini2 but shipping is horrendous.
Don't forget the ONO/OLO phone-based resin printer - they keep coming up with excuses why their printer hasn't shipped yet.
Still waiting to see what the outcome is for that one... might get its own video!
Maker's Muse yes please! Maybe if they watch your video they'll explain something more, as it happened the last time.
Maker's Muse When friends asked me if they should back Ono, I told them : "How much will you miss your 100€ if they don't deliver?" They backed it anyway but at least they're not too bitter about it ^^
ONO/LO was my first and last kickstarter experiance. A $250 lesson rearned (two (nonexisting) units plus (nonexisting) extra resin).
yes please make another video about them...
So what about OLO/ONO????
turns out they just shipped out the first 9 units a few days ago
Scam, bruh. Money grab.
Just recently salvaged the motors from my Tiko and threw the rest in the trash :p
Hope they're at least useful for some other projects!
It's a shame, I actually really like the Tiko....not because of how it prints.....no...it's just....awful. Aesthetically, it's gorgeous. It's surprisingly low power and the fact that it had/has/had Wi-Fi...was pretty neat! I tore mine apart and disappointingly it uses a Texas Instruments chip which, to my knowledge, uses proprietary software you must purchase to reprogram it...so it's cheaper to make another board for it...legitimately. (I am actually doing that by the way, based off of the Duet Wi-Fi 1.03 so it maintains as much of the original aesthetics as I can manage.)
I am a CNC Machinist and a passionate maker, I'm going to try to fix mine. I'm going to see if I can give it what it should have had out of the box reusing as much as possible yet quickly scrapping parts if they are not sufficient. If I'm successful I'll release all the files so those that hung onto those can fix their own...it's mainly a challenge to me. Wtf is wrong with me? 😆🤓
lilelbee423 awww. Pity to just throw the rest out.
low power is generally not a good thing for 3d printers
hansdietrich83 That's not completely true because it entirely depends on [why] it is low power. Is it low power because the motors are more efficient? Is the print environment well insulated?? A printer using a ton of power does not equal a good or high-quality machine, it could be because the components are terrible and there is a lot of friction to overcome when the machine wants to move. Not sure you thought about that. If a computer sucks up a ton of power, is that good? No, not particularly. It depends on a lot of variables.
I backed the Reach 3D Kickstarter printer in March 2016. They delivered mine in October of 2016 and eventually they delivered to every backer. I'm still using the printer.
I backed the Reach 3D Printer... and I use it daily! It’s a great Printer and has terrific support via Google+! It’s too bad Angus or Joe Telling (@3dprintingnerd) never reviewed them!
How did you make this without mentioning the Tiko?
There was already so much drama... TIKO is a disaster deserving of its own entire video.
Yep, I was stung with that one, and also stung with the "ready to ship, pay shipping money now" on the same project. Kickstarter won't answer any questions on the project at all, real shame as mostly my Kickstarter experience has been great.
Maker's Muse - I look forward to the Tiko video, if you ever decide make it.
Those guys were such _idiots_ it was almost stunning ... !
Maker's Muse I was a lucky early bird who received a Tiko. Let me know if you want it to see how bad they are...
There is a good video by @JAT.MN in which he analyzes why the tiko3d campaign failed.
What was also bad in the last time were the several mk42 campaigns.
The GB located campaign was bad because the bed were mostly unusable because they were too much bent.
(when you got one)
And the one from @jjacobsensnake were produced but (looks like mostly) not sent out.
And he stopped communicating with the backer when he got all the money.
There actually some guy who want to make quick cash:
www.indiegogo.com/projects/origin-prusa-i3-mk2s-clone/x/8072847#/
(he had also a mk42 heatbed campaign before)
Those campaigns don't get any support because the trust in crowdfunding is gone.
At the early mk42 campaigns there was no source for the mk42 but now you can get it from orballo printing in spain with a really good quality for 60€ -> AND YOU GET IT ...
Hope to receive my Snapmaker within now and a week time. I always had the same vision, I never bought the Snapmaker, but donated them and got a Snapmaker as a reward. That's what it is. And being supportive to a company would help better than the no-brain complainers expecting premium stuff.. A lot of blabla but totally 0% brain to think they've supported a new company instead of wanting and expecting the BMW under all 3D printers. I've a good relationship with people behind Snapmaker, I believe they are one of the few companies that could survive the 1st generation wave into the next generations.
I got mine on December 27...I love the silly thing, even if my wife hates the noise going at all hours of day and night :)
Same here. Received mine last week, and other than bed adhesion issues, Its been a pretty good 3D Printer. I'm waiting for the enclosure to play with the CNC and Laser print heads. The software is also pretty good for beta quality.
When Angus is laughing as he says "Let's get started", you know it is going to be a good video! :D
I spent $1900 on the 2015 Kickstarter for the Glowforge laser cutter. It was supposed to ship in summer 2016. I just got it about a month ago December 2017 after many many delays. I'm glad I did it now, but it I knew it was going to be over a year late, I probably would not have bought it. That being said it is a great tool and it mostly does what they promised, although the instruction book is almost nonexistent. They seem to be counting on people in the forms to substitute for documention.
RIP Kodama, RIP anyone who backed the Obsidian
I've had my Trinus for about a year now, and I'm still happy with my purchase. I've used it for printing Christmas presents, knick-knacks, and normal printables. For the price, the build volume is quite small, but as long as you are inventive you can get around that limitation. The max speed is about 70mm/s, which is a lot slower than belt driven printers.
The main redeeming quality for the Trinus, in my opinion, is the precision and durability of the metal parts. Prints rarely fail and if they do, its due to user error and not any quirk of the printer itself. I'd love if they came out with a size expansion for the print volume, and due to the modular nature of the printer this would be quite easy to achieve.
Looking back I would have bought an Anet A8 or something a bit faster, but the Trinus is great for printing things while you are away at work, and the metal construction is less of a fire hazard.
About 1500 backers are now receiving their MOOZ printer around the world. This is one campaign that is delivering with good results by users who know what they're doing.
Last night I dreamt that you were at a maker's faire in Norway, and you gave advice to people on how to improve their print results. But, even though I had plenty of problems with my prints, I was too lazy to walk the hundred metres to the fair to talk to you. Most exciting dream ever!
Your advice about kickstarter being little more than a donation is so spot on I wish I could like this video twice. Great advice!
I spent around $700 on the Thingybot Delta on Kickstarter several years ago. Shortly after he announced that units would soon be shipping, he went silent. Backers got nothing but an apology years later about how everything went wrong. And more silence.
However, some backers noticed how his mothers Facebook page showed him going on a cruise to Hawaii.
Oh well. I’ve since gone on to buy an M3D Micro+, which was nothing but a toy; an Anet A8, which was a challenging kit that brought out the tinkerer in me and gives me phenomenal prints; and an Anycubic I3Mega-S, which is a great reliable workhorse.
Was one of the lucky few to get a Buccaneer. If you did your printers dead now anyway as it required you to log into there server to use meaning when they shut down the printer became unusable. I am currently replacing the internals to make it somewhat useable.
Yeah I got sent one too and it was broken even before their site went down. Such a disaster.
Also to add to the trinus, Kodama are also adding upgrades to the store such as a leveling bed, new extruder design, and new pcb.
I've got a couple unusual 3D Printers, one that was actually an initial Kickstarter. I have a Dobot MOOZ 2. Now I did not buy it during the Kickstarter campaign but a few years afterwards buying on Amazon. Amazon had these for around $300 for a small build plate but it does 3D Printing, Laser and CNC. I do have to tell you that I have compared prints vs. a neighbor that has an original PRUSA and he is shocked that I get better prints than he does at similar CURA settings. So, for $300 I made out well. AND to top it off, not sure if I got a refurbished unit BUT I bought a second one that I have set up exclusively for Laser work, the second one I got for $189. Now the second machine I have is a Sindoh. I am not a fan of the autoloading cassette and I have had problems with that but, fortunately, they now allow for open source filament and, as long as you are careful loading the filament and you don't buy the cheapest filament the machine works well. I have had filament jams in the extruder and that requires open heart surgery where the Dobot MOOZ is much easer as all you have to do is open the print module vs. opening the side panel, removing the extruder gear assembly and then, finally clearing the filament jam. I do not have other Boden product but, I assume that filament jams are a pain in those machines as well. The Dobot is much easier when jams occur. A similar machine seems to be the snapmaker but they are very costly so I went with the Dobot.
This is more informative than anything. Never knew Kickstarter was that way, it seems like a prime breeding ground for elaborate scammers.
Also to add to the drinks, Kodak's are also adding upgrades to the store such as a leveling bed, new extruder design, and new pcb.
Definitely waiting on the ONO/OLO with bated breath... that at least has a revolutionary method of light projection. Although the backers are pretty pissed at the 4 year delay.
It's still baffling to see so many people still backing kickstarter campaigns that are over-hyped but have obvious red flags. I mean, failed kickstarter campaigns have been popping out for years now... surely people should know better. A bit of patience, healthy skepticism, and online research could have saved the money they now lost to these campaigns.
BTW, good video Angus. Keep up doing this series! :)
As the phrase goes, there's one born every minute. There are people who don't know about these failed campaigns, don't read up on what they're buying, and go "ooh, shiny!". They also don't pay attention to the fact that KS is not a "buy it", it's a "donate your funds and perhaps get a return".
There are things that have better track records. Board games for instance are consistent. I find many products have a few issues that make it difficult to trust though.
and kickstarr website is poopy to navigate
I agree Ninja, I have backed mostly board games and never have one been missed, some delayed but always deliver. I also enjoy seeing them on shelves, you get a sense of, I helped put them there.
Video games like the 3D printers tho, grumble lol.
Ezra, I think most of those tend to be noobs at it, I find that as they experience their first loss in a failed campaign they quickly learn their mistake.
Also, if a company already makes 3D printers, if they run out of money from Kickstarter, they can use additional money from their other products to finish development of their new printer.
What do you think about the snapmaker 2.0?
You could make a checklist from your experiences that could be considered when starting, or financing a kickstarter project.
A checklist would force the campaign to consider doing the important stuff.
Cobblebot also deserves a mention for the amount of people they screwed over, not only in the first kickstarter they had but also in the 2nd one, unhappy backers from the first campaign posted warnings to others on the 2nd kickstarter that the company hadn't fulfilled the original orders and kickstarter actually removed most of the warnings and barred users from posting complaints, a few months later backers from the 2nd kickstarter got to experience it all over again for themselves. Never used kickstarted again sice they were clearly more intereseted in making money than protecting the publics interest
Angus, I backed the Craftbot back in 2014, it finally got to me in Jan 2015, about 5 months after their estimated shipping date. Which, in all honesty, is pretty amazing. Since the printer they shipped, despite some initial issues, turned out to be a fantastic work horse. I am still using it today (it's printing right now!) But back then I had different expectation of Kickstarter projects. Nowadays, if a crowdfunded hardware campaign delivers within 1 year of their estimated date, I think that's on time. And this is frankly the problem with crowdfunding 3D printer campaigns these days. Unlike back in 2014, there are so many fantastic printers available that won't break the bank these days. Also, since most hardware campaigns are years late in delivery, chances are, whatever nifty feature that was unique in some campaign video is probably going to be standard feature by the time you actually get your campaign reward. So yeah, I totally agree that people should think of crowdfunding as just a donation.
would really like to see more SLA printers hoping in the next year costs come down on them 200-300$ range would be worth considering for me so sla kick starters would be awesome for reviews (any high def printer really but sla is the king of detail right now)
Hey, Thanks for the content
I've been 3D printing for the past 3 months and your videos have helped so much, Been using a Cocoon Create. Probably the most well thought out and put together videos out there.
My friend Kickstarted the SparkMaker, still waiting on that one to deliver though.
kodama basically didn't change anything... the LCD and the outer casing was already on the panowin Taobao store BEFORE the Kickstarter. I personally own one and its been my workhorse for 3 and a half years until I switched to cr-10
I wonder where the BuildOne printer kickstarter will end up on this future list.
Love my Moai! Thanks for pointing me in that direction Angus. It's a very reasonable machine for the price.
I backed the Printrbot Kickstarter back in 2011 for the $800 lasercut Printrbot Plus model, and while the company seems to still exist and is still doing stuff, it pretty much permanently soured me to the Printrbot company and Kickstarter.
The project ran late, a lot of people started whining in the comment section until one guy threatened to commit credit card fraud if he didn't get his printer right away, so they sent it to him. The printer itself was wobbly, the Z-axis brackets were wrong and caused nasty layer rippling in prints, and the extrusion gear I got was one of their resin molded ones, which was so catastrophically warped that it couldn't even drive the extruder. The Stepper drivers they provided were the wrong kind for the motors, which led to my extrusion motor getting burned out. And I will never back another Kickstarter project because of my experience.
I eventually sent the whole mess to some poor schmuck on Twitter who volunteered to pay me cost of shipping and replaced it with a $300 Maker Select V2, which, after some minor tinkering and calibration, has worked flawlessly for the last 2 years.
I backed the rigidbot about 4yrs ago I think, took a while but I eventually got it and still use it, I've just backed the Sparkmaker a few months back and they are gearing up for delivery now so I seem to be doing ok with my Kickstarters so far
And I've got it now :)
Oh cool an iDubbbz vide... hang on a second!
Hah! I love that guy, but I think he's evolved past Kickstarter at this point :P
Maker's Muse Yeah, but still love binge watching his older KickStarter videos.
Ahhh the Buccaneer, I was on the verge of buying one during the campaign. So glad I didn't! Although the Two-Up I ended up getting wasn't such a big improvement!
What about the tiko?
Thanks for sharing 😀👍
Flux 3DP was a very successful and high quality delta that also does drawing, laser etching, scanning, and paper cutting.
angus! i miss your videos. i hope you are surviving the fires ok. thinking about y'all from california
The TIKO delta 3d printer was the first project I've backed that failed to ship (at least, it didn't ship to me; as far as I know only a handful of backers got anything). I've backed a LOT of Kickstarters, and that was the only 3d printer I tried. I almost backed the Snapmaker 3d printer/CNC/Laser engraver, but then I discovered the CR-10.
I actually got my Moai thanks to your review when I was just about to buy a Wanhao Dup i3, I am very happy that I went with the SLA printer in the end though since I am a character artist and it can do some amazing figure prints! Thank you for that helpful review!
Also, did you forget about the Tiko? :) Another colossal flop from last year, I had backed one at the time... eurgh.
3 years later, I still don't have my obsidian XD
Same...
i got my cetus because of Maker muse, i was one of the very first 10 to get it and i freaking love it , its a wonderful machine that gets almost no love
Hey Angus, can you do a video on the new 3d printers boards that are coming out (GearBest, Aliexpress, etc)?
Yes please go over this year's campaigns! I love these videos!
I backed the Trinus by Kodama and I still use it to this day, have had to replace a few items but it is still a great printer
I must have missed this video Angus so just caught it today, i also backed the 101 hero and received it (i know could not believe it !!) on opening the box i quickly shut it and put it up for sale on the web as i knew this was gonna be trouble.....on the bright side i got my money back from the sale but the recipient had to fix the board due to bad component placement although on a good thing the manufacturers did offer to send a new complete board if i wanted...
Yeah 101 Hero was a weird one. I like what they were trying to do but they were about 50% of the way there.
To hell with crowd funding and early access games. A person or company with zero history of success or expertise just announces that they will make something and everybody donates with no guarantee of delivery, virtually no legal rights, and no enforcable timetable of delivery. Why did consumers EVER get behind this method of purchase? Let the businesses do it the old fashioned way; raise the capital from sceptical investors, develop the product, and sell it the normal way. Anything else is madness from a purchaser perspective.
I think for cheap printers, a kit one is the way to go. I got an Anet A8 on a site when it was on sale for $133 (and no, surprisingly it wasn't a scam) and it prints really well. There are probably other great kit ones out there, too. They also have a much bigger printing area than those $300 "toy" ones.
Well the OLO/ONO is what brought me to your channel (to correct you on some things you got wrong in a late night recording/uploading session, which you acknowledged) but after checking out some of your other videos I decided at the last miute to bail on that project and trust someone I didn't know but who seemed to know better (so, THANKS). I've been a subscriber to your channel since then and I watch 'almost' all of your new videos as well as refer back to your old ones every now and then. I even bought your eBook.
As for Kickstarter 3D printers. I've backed 4 to the end now (as in actually paid the cash and not bailed before the campaign ended) and received 3 of them (the 4th being Tiko). None have been any good. There's so much available now I don't see why anyone would bother with KS for this type of product anymore. The risk of loosing your $$'s completely or getting a dud is way too high.
Yes, this is a great series, continue - you're the voice on this.
Yes, please make a vid of the current offerings and what you predict will be a winner or loser. Cheers!
I backed the Tiko because at the time it was ridiculously cheap (I'd recently paid $550 for a CTC-3D dual extruder.) but by the time it finally shipped (to _some_ backers, me included) the same CTC printer was only $300 so that price on the Tiko wasn't looking so hot anymore. I've backed 30 projects on Kickstarter, and 3 on IndieGoGo, and the Tiko is the only project I've not been happy with. When it comes to crowdfunding, you just gotta pick your battles. The Tiko was the only thing I ever really 'took a chance' on.
...I was so close to backing both the Buccaneer printer and the Peachy printer. So glad I kept myself from backing.
I don’t even look at Kickstarter any longer. It is just too much of a risk. This video by Angus just proves this. Nearly all of the campaigns have either failed or the results have been terrible.
People make the mistake of thinking the can get a cool product at a great price by backing. But as you said the chances of receiving what was "promised" in a timely manner and in good working long lasting order are pretty abismal compared to the normal purchasing experience. Basically the campaigners want to try something, usually that they have never done before, and they want your money to fund that experiment. I think there would be a lot fewer successful campaigns if people realized that. Just looking at the comments on failed projects shows how the perception and reality of these things simply don't mesh.
At least he didn't review the Obsidian 3D comments. Funny thing is he looked at most of the comments it seemed of the other printers.
i got the anet a8, good printer but has some room for improvement, luckily i am eager to make those improvements.
iam a baker of the Obsidian 3d and still no printer or shipping date yet
Kickstarted board games have been a good experience for me, though they fell into the same part, they had a proto type and were testing suppliers of the cards before even creating the campaign. I knew it was a donation and I keep seeing them at the conference so it seems like they are still making games which is cool. What they are doing is also a bit harder to have fail to be honest. Also pre orders, i am talking about actual preorders ie video games are a terrible idea.
There's so many Kickstarters and Indiegogo campaigns where the creator makes a decent product, but instead of fulfilling the backer perks, start selling retail on Tindie or other such sites. They'll cheerfully ship to retail purchasers, and even BRAG about how many sales they've fulfilled, with dozens or hundreds of backers swinging in the wind, getting no responses from the creator besides a virtual _digitus impudicus._
Love the "Should you back it" series.
It's not worth backing a cheap 3D printer campaign when they are already out there. Back in December 2016 I picked up a da Vinci Mini for £137 on a special from Ebuyer. That's a proper printer with good support, for a cost that's not really worth trying to beat. Just keep an eye out for special offers if you want a cheap 3D printer.
Another great video, Angus. You're analysis of Kickstarter (and other crowdfunded organizations) is dead-on. Kickstarter is essentially a site for speculators and first adopters. Basically the same dynamic as the stock market. Nothing is wrong with participating on it, as long as you understand that there is risk. Some of this risk is catastrophic (like the implosions that Angus alludes to). In other cases, they are simply delays. In my case, I've been influenced to buy 3 things that derived from Kickstarter campaigns. I bought the Kodama Trinus after the campaign (when it was in regular production). In that case, I didn't share the risk that the early funders did, but I benefited greatly from their early support to the Kodama. (I love my Trinus.) On another Kickstarter campaign, I got off of the sidelines and was an early funder for the Glowforge. I felt confident enough that the product was viable that I stuck in there, even after the year-plus delays. (Supposedly, it ships this month and early bugs seem to have been worked out. Also, no other company has come along with a better product.) Finally, I was an IndieGogo funder for the Eve V computer. It was definitely higher risk, but again their product seemed viable. But, to offset the risk, I held back most of my money. Now, the units are shipping and the reviews are generally good. So, all in all my experiences have been good. But, the risk has always been there. In each case, I calculated the upside potential of my decision. I was also able to absorb the loss, if any of these campaigns went bust. This is a decision that everyone needs to make for themselves.
An interesting follow up to this video and to give the perspective of the people who ran one would be to have a chat with the folks at Eora scanners as they have now delivered the bulk of their units, about 18 months late. As they are reasonably local to you it would be too hard to achieve.
Great video with some important tips about when (if ever!) to risk some money on a Kickstarter 3D printer (from another one of the many who lost out on the Tiko).
Backed the PocketMaker 3D Printer on Indigogo, don't think I'm ever going to see it either.
8:06 apparently PLA isn't a plastic???? LOL
ElNamano this guy is obviously an expert...
_"his proposal for a lock is not a good idea either"_
_"he forgot to mention that there should be an emergency stop if the kids reach in"_
*Don't need an emergency stop if the thing locks while in use, genius!* An emergency stop? I'm sure that'll prevent kids from burning themselves on a nozzle hot enough to melt plast-...er, um, corn...stuff...
Okusar Just let him eat pla and we will have one less dumbass in the world.
Since when reviewing a product requires reviewing of octoprint and slicer's and when did pla become non plastic (corn plant) I don't understand is he or she dumb or trolling cause I lost a brain cell when I read pla is not plastic
lol corporation : PLA (polylactic acid) is a biodegradable polymer, often made from corn plants (or cotton plants, if I'm not mistaken). But even if it's not coming from the "standard process" of polymerisation of a petroleum base, PLA is classified as a plastic, by definition.
In fact, the guy in the comment, Angus is referring to, has clearly no idea what a plastic is...
I almost pledged for the SolidMaker on kickstarter and glad I opted not to, the final days of the project seemed kind of sketchy with multiple people pulling out.
Backed 5 makerbot 3d printer few years back.. never been so regret in my life
One word: Tiko
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I didn't find the video usefoul, i found it awsome and informative. Thank you. Love your channel.
Yes please! I wouldn't mind hearing what you think about the KS 3D printer projects coming out this year. :D
My brother in law actually got a Peachy printer. I think he even managed to print a few simple things with it. It never worked well though.
Hi Angus! Brief question: ever heard of the SnapMaker 3-in-1 printer from Kickstarter? 3-in-1 because there are three exchangeable modules for 3D-printing, laser engraving and CNC carving. It is currently shipping (mine will arrive in a few weeks), but I'm wondering if you ever plan to do a review or get one...
I backed Obsidian on Kickstarter mostly after watching your review and I really hope they deliver, even if Iàm definitely unhappy the way they are running the campaing (lack of updates) but man, I don't held you accountable in any possible way: I was well aware of what a Kickstarter campaign is when I backed them up.
On the other hand, if I knew their first campaign was about rebranding an existing machine I would probably haven't backed it at the pledge level I did. Looking back, with a couple hundred euros more I could have got a Prusa MK3
I backed the Flux a while ago. It is a pretty good printer for a beginner like myself, but it is limited.
I was at CES 2018 and saw the MiniToy there and talked with them. I agree that it seems very cheaply made. No door lock on that model either. They are now promising 450mm/min on their other 3D printers, but only with special filament.
What do you think about Kudo3d Bean? They have 2 already succesful products and this suppose to be a cheaper but still high resolution sla machine
Another video on the subject would be nice
Great video, Angus. According TekThing, at least, the 3d Printer activity has consolidated considerably at CES this year, compared to last year. I think the market is maturing and the original gold rush mentality is wearing off, giving rise to hopefully better engineered designs .
I'm waiting on my Build One printer. I think I'll get it.
Angus, You seem to me that you know what you are talking about, 221 subscribers can't be wrong. Well why don't you and some of your mates get a kick starter going ? You know whats wrong and right with 3d printers. good on you Ralph
I know the market well enough to know it's already flooded. You would have to develop something incredibly different to stand out and even then it would need to be at a low enough price point to compete with direct from china machines. Not interested in it :)
You forgot a good (in a bad way).....the Tiko. Want a mess that kickstarter was. I got a beta Tiko and it was the unicorn of the batch. It printed well, but seemed to be one of the only ones that did. However it only lasted for about 50 prints, then the extruder stopped working, and a new one wasn't worth the money or effort.
Why didn't you mention Tiko? I purchased one on kickstarter. it printed 3 times before it failed, then they closed down shop.
You missed the WORST blunder in 3D printer history: Tiko. Where they even collected SHIPPING COSTS 2 years later and still never sent the printer. And... Over 3 million in funding on the Kickstarter campaign alone.
Ah tiko... I think they deserve an entire video dedicated. I was going to touch on OLO/ONO too but video was already too long. Will be doing a part 2 for sure.
I am a Bucaneer victim. Learned my lesson: no more backing.
More of this please