Wargames Ending
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- Опубліковано 22 лис 2012
- The ending of the 1983 film, Wargames. ^_^"The Only Winning Move Is Not To Play."^_^
Global Thermonuclear War. I uploaded this because the only other version of the ending that i could find was in 240p only, I do not own wargames and i am not affiliated in any way with it. I am merely uploading this video for entertainment purposes.
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Matthew Broderick Wargames Ally Sheedy
Dabney Coleman John Wood WOPR David Lightman NORAD Dr.John McKittrick Jennifer Mack Cheyenne Mountain Joshua - Фільми й анімація
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"I've calculated 14000605 possible outcomes"
"How many did we win in?"
"None..."
"And how many did they win in?"
"None."
it's mutually assured destruction
no matter what leaves from where, the country fired upon knows..... and launches a retaliation
I love how Greenland nukes them selfs
@@phantom_dragon different countries have nuclear platforms in green land so you would literally see that.
@@phantom_dragon That was a Soviet sub-launch against a former US base.
President Ronald Reagan, saw the film during an opening weekend screening at Camp David, Reagan was fascinated by the film, so much so that the following week he stopped a meeting regarding upcoming nuclear negotiations with the Russians to give everyone in the room a full breakdown of the plot. When he was finished, he asked General John W. Vessey Jr.-then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff-to look into just how plausible the film was. Vessey did some research and determined that WarGames actually was a prescient indicator of a rising threat in the (then) very new world of cybersecurity. A little more than a year later, Reagan signed a classified national security directive titled “National Policy on Telecommunications and Automated Information Systems Security.” It was the first computer security directive given by a president, all because he’d seen a movie about a kid who wanted to play some computer games.
Cybersecurity (or lack thereof) was just the plot device. "The only winning move is not to play" was the punchline, the message.
Obviously Reagan was smart enough only to figure out the first part.
@@richardpetek712 he was actually not that massively in favour of nukes and campaigned and tried to achieve nuclear disarmament because he thought they were evil and far too costly to human life, obviously not much progress was made there as he has Margret Thacher + the US military on one Ball, and the Worlds Geopolitical reality on the other, I disagree with a lot of his viewpoints but this one I completely agree with and understand, he certainly would have understood that part of the film.
He quoted this a year before the film was even on the cutting room floor.
In April 1982, shortly after the Freeze resolution was introduced in Congress, Reagan began declaring publicly and repeatedly that “a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought.” On that first occasion, he added: “To those who protest against nuclear war, I can only say: `I'm with you. '”
@@richardpetek712 I also don't agree with a lot of Reagan's politics, but he and Gorbachev disarmed some 40,000 nuclear warheads (most of it used for energy in both the USA and USSR. Most of the nuclear fuel in the US comes from Russia in fact).. Reagan had repeatedly tried to get the Soviet Union to start disarmament talks (as did Carter before him), but he hardliners in the Soviet Union wouldn't budge. It was a German kid flying his private plane into red square that helped Gorbachev get rid of the hardliners and started the process to disarm the Nuclear warheads (a process that took nearly 2 decades!). The US and Russia have worked on non-nuclear proliferation along with nearly every other nuclear power. Only France and Pakistan, of all the nuclear powers, broke those non-proliferation rules.
@@alen7480 I remember the German kid with the airplane, penetrating and evading Soviet air defense and landing in Moscow. Wasn't that it?
@@gregblackburn4280 Yes, exactly. He undermined the hardline politicians that ran the military. That "invasion" of Soviet airspace, and Moscow airspace to boot, was so embarrassing, Gorbachev was finally able to fire them (he wanted to get rid of them). After that, the agreements started to reduce nuclear armaments. Reagan, Gorbachev and that kid have severe problems with them, but they all helped humanity to lower the nuclear threat.
“a strange game. the only winning move is not to play.” thats actually pretty damn deep.
Would you like to play a game of chess?
Isn´t life also but a game?
@@howardpope3932 It sure feels like a game, a play or a movie in which very few know they are actors and audience. Great 80's truth drop.
As someone who grew up as a military brat during the Cold War, yes. Not playing is the only way we all survived.
I think that quote refers to conflicts in general. Just don't "play" the war game and all is well
Imagine you are a guy with even mild epilepsi working in NORAD on that day.
It would be a really bad day at the office.
Not all epileptics are photo-epileptics
Tigerman1138 yeah but you know that’s what he meant, stfu and stop trying to find things to be offended by
No shit!!
@@Tigerman1138
That's true. When I was younger, I worked as an assistant chef at a restaurant. While preparing tables before opening, one colleague dropped, or knocked over a tray of forks, against a tile floor. You can probably imagine what that sounds like. He instantly went into epileptic shock from it.
The attack simulations was probably one of the best uses of "infrasound" ever in a movie. The low frequency "thump" that accompanied every nuclear explosion was terrifying in the theater.
Yeah I never saw this in theaters but I noticed those thumps too
Not to mention that at the time... this wasn't that far-fetched.
@@ellisjackson3355 You can get a good sense of what it was like with a decent home theater set up... The thumping was a below low "feeling", that was extremely unsettling...
@@phil9947 One part of the 80's I don't think I miss
@@phil9947
Or at least that is the type of fear it was intended to induce and perpetuate within your own imagination . . . an imagination which has been properly prepared over several years' worth of conditioning, and conjuring of false realities for you to believe in, for you to dwell within . . . for those who are full of fear are much easier to manipulate and control!
Seriously, why would you assume that it is any less far-fetched today???
That guy who randomly shouts “put x in the centre square “. We might be on the brink on nuclear war but I will show you how to play Tic-Tac-Toe.!
Of course, if the computer had fallen for this, then that would have taught it a lesson they wouldn't have wanted to give it, that there is a chance of winning. So I guess it's good that they started off playing in the center just, to be safe, since it's a lot easier to stave off defeat if their first move is in the center than if it's in a corner.
freebyrd!
i love that!
@@medexamtoolsdotcom No offense. But I really doubt that your explanation (While 100% correct and makes sense) is what he came up with lol
For a a thirty five years @@medexamtoolsdotcom, I have chuckled at that comment.
This whole scene sent chills down my spine, right up to where Joshua says "The only winning move is NOT to play".
Jetset906 Kind Of makes “Make Love, not war” looks like a Disney 🎥
Yeah it was a great science and wonderfully presented, too,
Same about my sex life
actually...''proceeds to explain a detailed argument about the nuclear warfare''
Winner : None
Joshua learned a very important lesson. And the world learned nothing.
I guess the man in Kremlin didn't see the movie.
What dafuq you mean "the world learned nothing"?? How many full-on nuclear wars has the world had since _Joshua learned?_ Well? Okay, how many local nuclear exchanges have occurred in that same time period? Well?
Dirty bombs? Well?
It's like you can't stand it that the world has NOT done this.
And to be clear... that asshole in the Kremlin won't nuke the US either.
He totally cares about his legacy and wants to be remembered like _Ivan the Terrible_ or his personal hero _Joe Stalin_ and getting Mother Russia incinerated is not the way to do it
@@richardpetek712 Man in the Kremlin has only Hitler as a guide, he is following in his footsteps.
@@richardpetek712
Neither did the White House
@@anotherbloodyfanwriter1941 Actually it did.
It is you who didn't understand the message of the movie.
*Mutual assured destruction* _(if you hit us, be certain that we will destroy you back!)_ is unfortunately the only way which assures that this game _(in any of its variants)_ *doesn't get* played.
Now if only Civ 5's Gandhi figured this out.
Civ 6 will be out soon enough - but where would the fun be if he learned?
CIV 6's overly cartoonish gypsy Gandhi must be preemptively nuked at all costs including Bitch #1 and Bitch #2 from england and france.
Greetings from M.Gandhi, ruler and king of the Indians...
Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
The only way around this is converting him to Boat Mormonism.
@@rcslyman8929 I thought that *Yoloism* would be better suited for Gandhi. Oh I was so wrong...
Probably one of the most scary things I have ever seen. So simple yet so powerful. " The only winning move is not to play." May the world always stay at defcon 5.
Marc - When you get the chance, check out a little flick called "Colossus: The Forbin Project," THEN have fun playing on a network...
We are on defcon 3 so yeah
Hello commenting at defcon level 3
I used to think this was a complete BS ending when I was a kid. I thought I "knew" computers and it was all hollywood script writing hooplah. But then, I grew up. Learnt about neural networks. I remember watching Jeff Hawkin's epic 2008 RSA speech on AI about the Macaque monkey and how our brains unravel signals in sequences of sequences of sequences. Blew my mind. Now we have facial recognition, speech synthesis that is damned good. Deepfakes. So many fields and they do the same thing: Teach the computer by giving it lots of data and getting it to work out the rules of the game / task / problem.
Then I watch this scene again and it all clicks. OF COURSE trying to get the computer to play tic-tac-toe would, hopefully, get it to LEARN that certain games can't be won. Then, the computer looked at all the possibilities of all the nuclear scenarios. I now think, wow, genius ending way before its time.......... and I was a damned moron for thinking I knew better.
As a kid, I thought the ending was just ok. "So the computer gave up. Cool." I appreciate it better as an adult.
Would people ever stop putting know in scare quotes? There is such a thing as knowing.
Great comment. The value of learning, or better yet, being teachable. Some times it takes a decade or two or three for deep but simple truths to sink in. Love the AH HAH moments in life. Tic Tac Toe... needs to be injected into political activism; waging war for social justice or racial inequality is a game with no winners.
Perhaps it wasn't the learning process of the AI which with you had an issue. Maybe you sensed something else that made you feel the scene was mainly composed of fecal matter defecated by large bovines. Is there any chance that you intuitively knew that when it came to cracking codes consisting of a string of alphanumeric characters, there was no method for allowing it to be cracked one character at a time???
ok.
I absolutely remember the experience of seeing this in a theater with my best friend when I was 13 or 14. The story ripped my head off. Dad never let me get a modem, I wonder why? I am happy to report that I showed it to my 14 year old stepson a few years ago (himself a very kindred geek spirit) and he ate it up, absolutely loved the whole movie. I asked him, right after it was over, whether the dated technology in it (1980s dial up) was any kind of impediment to his enjoyment. He instantly protested, "NO! It's a classic!", then went back downstairs to his basement bedroom to listen to shortwave radio and figure out how to fuck with tech support scammers. A few weeks later he found an old hard copy of the Newsweek magazine that introduced the word "Hacker" as a synonym for computer criminal, also in 1983, and proudly showed it to me. I wanted to hug him. That technically brilliant and moral young man is turning 18 this year, like me, influenced by Matthew Broderick's character in this film to use his tech savvy for good... and if he has to bend the rules a little bit, he knows what the moral implications of that are too.
Get your son into coding and programming.
if he knows stuff like setting up Linux servers he can have a high paying job if he knows what he is doing regardless of if he flunks out of college or even highschool they reward purely on skill and passion, it's good you got your son into tech, he'll have an easy life and always be able to do well for himself.
@@talk-supersix-seven6021 Not just that, make sure he's intimately familiar with cloud technologies (AWS, Google, etc.) and have him fully enveloped in network technology. The more he knows about coding, networking, cloud, virtualization, and security, the easier it will be for him to go places in his career.
That's so beautiful and wholesome. ❤️
Then he uses the computer to reduce sick days after he's been absent from school 9 times
You gotta love how ballsy this movie was for the time. The 50s and the 80s were the biggest decades in terms of the Cold War. While movies like Rocky IV and Red Dawn were pumping that USA mentality, which is fine because we love those movies despite their ridiculous nature, this one went with neither. There is no winner. In a movie so simplistic with such basic social commentary, it still was kind of ballsy suggesting that USA might not win something, it might not be the all powerful superpower people were lead to believe in media. Neither was the USSR, but it didn't suggest they were the winners either. I rewatched this a few weeks ago, and it's a thrill to watch, has an engaging story, and likable characters. As well as a timeless message that doesn't beat you over the head over and over again until it becomes numb and repetitive. It's not totally subtle either. It has that nice balance and I appreciate that. Such an underrated movie.
The original Computer Fraud and Abuse Act bill was enacted in 1984 in response to concern that computer-related crimes might go unpunished.[2] The House Committee Report to the original computer crime bill characterized the 1983 techno-thriller film WarGames-in which a young Matthew Broderick breaks into a U.S. military supercomputer programmed to predict possible outcomes of nuclear war and unwittingly almost starts World War III-as "a realistic representation of the automatic dialing and access capabilities of the personal computer."[3]
Oh I think you're mistaken. There was a lot less US-bias in the media during the cold war than you think. Watch My Favorite Martian, that's a VERY good example. Even Gilligan's Island had an episode where they meet some Russians and they're the exact counterparts of the main cast, i.e. it didn't paint them in a negative light.
everyone understood that there were no winners in nuclear war from nearly the very beginning. That was the concept of "mutually assured destruction". The reason for the massive buildup of nuclear missiles that could destroy the world 100s of times over was to completely and utterly assure both sides that there was 0 possible chance anyone would win a nuclear war.
this was also the reason for the entire film's premise, that a robot would take over the nuclear launch systems. If the US decides to be "moral" and refuse to destroy the world in response to Russia launching a nuclear strike, Russia would've been much more inclined to launch a strike knowing that the US would not fight back. By replacing the launch control systems with a robot, the Soviets wouldn't strike first even if they thought that the US wouldn't want to fight back.
@@jjmarr7130
It's not a robot. It's a supercomputer. There may be a problem in the aviation industry of pilots relying too much on automation to fly aircraft under the idea of "avoiding errors"
of course now days Wopper would be a lot smaller about the size of a desk
The watchmen comic did kinda the same
Someone needs to replay this clip over and over again until it sinks in. In a nuclear war there is no winner.
"Except the jungle people. You ever think there's going to be this massive nuclear holocaust and after all the major nations are destroyed it'll just be the tribes in the jungles that rise up and survive. That jungle warfare is going to rule the world?" 😂
Edit: this is a quote from the office, I don't believe jungle warfare will rule the world
Ezekiel - That leads me right back to the quote that actually led me to this video: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
@@EzekielDean the radioactive fallout and climatic damage would hit them as well
@@F5Storm1 I was quoting The Office
Oh really? Well slap my knee and jump for joy. I am sooo glad I read your comment. Now I realize there is not a winner in a nuclear war. Damn, and I was all about "let's have a nuclear war! It will be fun!" And now I realize that was folly. Just pure folly, all thanks to you. What's your name so I can name my next born in your honor?
Lets stay on Defcon 5 forever.
+Thor19761 Would you believe Defcon 5 is actually the World War 3 stage and Defcon 1 is the most peaceful in reality, they just filmed it back to front. Completley awesome movie by the way, shame some people nowadays can't get into it cause of the dated technology.
Sure, i also think they absolutly don´t want that people understand that.
umm, no DEFCON 1 is when all military forces are at maximum readiness and the missiles are primed, DEFCON 5 is peacetime readiness. The movie got it right.
captainWillard not quite. Defcon 1 is nuclear war. Defcon 2 was reached to some extent in the cuban missile crisis and the beginning of the gulf war. defcon 5 is peace.
No, DEFCON 1 is "warfare imminent, maximum readiness." It stands for "defence readiness condition," and you don't need readiness if you're already at war.
Every strategy, every variant, every plan, every equation, every scenario, every war fought, every war that could be fought, every city, every country, every circumstance, every accident, every choice, every preventable loss, every acceptable loss, every outcome of the survival of humanity. Every single game has been played with all the decks full. Winner: NONE.
The only winning move is not to play, the only option for humanity to work is self-sacrifice
Its a bunch of pipes that feeds into the same sewer.
Even the "red october" couldn't prevent retaliation by nato missile subs.
Let us hope that our monkey brains understand that.
“How about a nice game of chess?” A fitting line considering that all of the nuclear war strategies were named in the same style that chess strategies are named.
Bravo Dave, Clever!!!
Which makes me wonder: How good would WOPR have been at chess?
"Colonel Connelly, move our knight on e3 to c4 and take us to DEFCON-4."
This is weirdly contemporary, this film. It touches on light themes of cybersecurity and machine learning even if it didn't realize it at the time, and also the importance of cybersecurity and being aware of artificial information.
Go back and watch Tron. The original movie, I mean. OMG the issues raised in that film went right over my head but are incredibly timely even to this day. Now even more than back when it came out.
And on the futility of human war.
@@theprogram863 aaargh. yes. Tron is absolutely magnificent !
The Lawnmower Man has some good concepts in it also.
Play Fallout 76
"The only winning move is not to play"
"Strange game, the only winning move is not to *purchase* the game."
@@jomarivelasco5260 yeah that's what he said
You mean the same FO76 thats been proven to be under-rated? It Gets 0/10 and is deemed unplayible yet you can 100% Play it?
Where the Trolls and Greifers overexaderate eveything?
Where to start? Its the 9th Game in the fallout series
FO1,FO2,FOTactics,FOBoS/FO3/FONV/FOShelter/FO4 Which many people like yourself claimed would never do well no ever sell copys OH WAIT Best Seller/FO76
No one wanted a survivor Game! Eveyone wanted it, In Fact the original people of FO1 wanted a Online Survivor RPG that was there Goal ...
It has Bugs! Show me a game without bugs? Especly a Survivor RPG Plz?
Resource management! Its a Survivor Game? Thats like the deal with Survivor Games its like saying Horror Games suck coz they R Scary its like Serioiusly thats the goal of a Horror Game.
Lets name other Survivor RPGS - Ark - WAY Bugger then FO76 ever was never got 0/10 ...
7 Days to die! Only recently added NPCS which is a human Merchant but hey Aparently thats the only NPC you need in a game Coz ppl claim FO76 has never / dosnt have NPCS which is 100% False there just not 'human' SuperMutants/Robots and such dont count Aparetly Wait Dos Ark have NPCS?
Conan Exiles! - Prob the best Rated Survivor RPG out there and it was WAY Buggier at Launch then FO76 was ... Hmm im detecting a High level of Troll/Sass from the haters.
BUT IT CHANGE STORY OR LORE OR THE GENRA OF THE FALLOUT SERIES! - Fallout Tactics is Considerd Semi Cannon and it gets 6/10 Fallout Brother hood of Steel is a Rip off of Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance and it gets a 4.5/10 in fact its WAY bugger then you think. Also changed lore, Fallout Tactics / Brotherhood of still at least had the Top Down View even tho it changed Genra, FO3 Turn the fallout series into a FPS RPG And Changed Lore But na we wont bitch about that game coz FO3!, Remeber FONS How it was sopos to be the Trash? Now some ppl are calling it the best of the bunch even tho it added survivor Mech and other things into its gameplay and what knock ... Fallout Shelter isnt even an RPG and has 0 To do with Story/Lore what so ever and it gets a 8/10???
Fallout 4 is aparenty the 2nd worst Fallout game as its complete Utter trash and oh wait i allready mention how its a Best Seller (For a Reason!)
FO76 is one of the best Survivor RPGS out there Period. you could prob name better (Heck ill give you a head start Conan Exiles) But you telling me ARK is better then FO76 in evey single way And always has been? Its had way longer time to balance/patch itself and its STILL Buggie as shit ... more so then FO76.
Why is FO76 hated? Oh Wait coz its the popular thing and Haters gonna hate and ever sence the Haters of FO4 got smack in the fact with news that FO4 is a BEST SELLER the haters have hated eveything and made evey single claim somehow related to FO76!
TRUMP WON THE PRESIDENCY! ITS FALLOUT 76 FAULT! - Fucken Seems Legit!
@@THAC0MANIC Dear fucking god we are not reading your novel because you got triggered over a joke.
@@THAC0MANIC found the fo 76 fanboy
"Put X in the center square" one of the funniest moments ever.
I dunno...I kinda liked the "Hell, I'd piss on the spark plug if I thought it'd help" line too....
Dude literally wanted to risk nuclear war just to see the supercomputer win, lol.
Loved this as a kid. You almost never see a films like this anymore. It made money was critical acclaimed with morale story.
+TOSStarTrek From a time when directors where interested in making a great movie to educate and entertain regardless of what Hollywood studios suggested on a demograph would make money.
And it did not even need fancy graphics because the story itself was so good and simple as well. All they needed was something that looked like a military room and a cool looking computer with flashing lights and that was it haha
It would have been even bigger if it didn't have to compete with Return Of The Jedi.
It didn't have superheros coming in to save the day so Hollywood wouldn't make it today.
It's a pretty good movie. Just got done watching it today.
I thought I would never get goosebumps watching a movie
Then Joshua said “a strange game the only winning move is not to play”
One of the most under-rated films ever...and the best line in it....."hell, I'd piss on a spark-plug if I thought it'd do any good".
There are some in power today who seriously need to revisit this last scene of "Wargames" (1983) when even Joshua (the WOPR computer) learns that in a nuclear war, "The only winning move is not to play."
Paging Vlad...we have something you NEED to watch!
“There’s no fighting in the War Room!”
And no sex in the Champagne Room ? ;-)
God damn commies trying to get our bodily fluids.
*CPE1704TKS* My new password for everything....
Dimebag Dio Kilmister thanks for the information. 😅
For a while when I was young, my password was RONCTTLA-220040DL
i guess thats better than 12345 LOL
@@ShrekWallBee That sounds like the kind of combination that an asshole would have for his luggage!
@@shimmergloom74 12345? Amazing! I have the same combination on my luggage!
The best part, and this is a fact, is that when this film was released, the launch code for the US missiles was 00000000
Seriously.
I can wholly believe that. The original engineers contracted to build the fire controls, probably set that code as a default, expecting the customer to change it later.
Let me tell you, in the military, we don't change passwords to computer systems for fear of losing it.
What happens is the code gets lost, the person with the code moves on, or retires, thus when a problem arises, no one can get access. So the default code is left as is.
I think it was also the fact that in the event of an attack, people would only have mere moments to make a counterattack, so having an incredibly long code could mean total defeat in just a matter of seconds-
@@suspiciousde862 well, 1-2 hours, the missiles do take a while to reach the states and the US can detect even surface to air missiles at launch from anywhere on earth.
Think the truth is that the code required to ‘unlock’ the missiles was 0000000 however the launch codes that would be sent by the president were random
@@tecyhead there were no launch codes from the president - there were 2 keys that you had to turn at the same time.
Look up the procedures for launching jupiter missiles, very interesting.
teaching a computer mutually assured destruction through games actually makes perfect sense, MAD was not just a political buzzword it was a mathematical proof based on game theory. The mathematician who made that proof and invented game theory was John Von Neuman, the same man who invented the digital computer.
Rob Stafford MAD is not a mathematical proof
I played a strategy war game against the computer and proved M.A.D. The computer made a suggestion that I (the player) would use nukes in the war game and said that if I was going to then it would as well. I originally was not going to use nukes because they are expensive, but I also knew that because of the story dynamics the computer would use nukes anyway. So out of fear of getting nuked I turned to my arsenal and deployed nukes before it could. It countered with its own.
M.A.D. Proven
The fuck are you people talking about. MAD is a doctrine, it's a policy humans choose to follow and it can't be "mathematically proven" or just "proven". It's not referencing some total obliteration of the human race or something. It's a doctrine where if you destroy me, I destroy you. If one side launched nukes, the other side following the doctrine would respond in kind and destruction would be mutually assured. Hence the name. If one side rejected the doctrine and refused to launch, there would be no mutual destruction (though it would bring in a question of why you would even have nukes in the first place if your doctrine was not to use them). The fact that both sides would be destroyed in a full strategic nuclear exchange between powers with significant nuclear stockpiles (primarily with regards to the US and the USSR) doesn't exactly require some prodigy level intellect, it's just a universally accepted fact.
In strictly conventional warfare the winner wins, the loser is militarily defeated and cannot retaliate., With Nuclear weapons, a single push of a button, a single turn of a key and one side or the other's military advantage doesn't matter, following the MAD doctrine results in a mutual exchange that destroys both nations. It's a simple idea.
@@Person01234 The number and types of weapons needed to reach MAD, however, *can* be mathematically proven.
John Von Neumann invented the Von Neumann architecture that is a fundamental concept of the processor of a general purpose computer nowadays but not only is that not 'inventing the digital computer', it's not even the only architecture that's used. For example, the Harvard Architecture is widely used in Embedded systems.
My girlfriend: "Do I look fat?"
Me: "a strange game. The only winning move is not to play."
The hilarious part of the reality of this story is... at the time, the norad launch code was...
00000
The reason for that was because it still take the people at the silos to launch the missiles but the code is to arm it.
That's eligal what your doing can do. Grave harrme
Excuse me
@@adamboh393nobody but the pressident or his. People knoow. The coads nobudy neasdsz. To. Hear. That.
@@torimig2151 The fuck...?
Reminds me of how much i miss the 80's.
1984 [CHEERS!!] Best year of all times, being a teenager; the movies the Music. The birth of Video game console's. Rock Concerts and the fashions were outrageous. Wow, if I could go back in time and live again; I'd start in 1984.
Technically I think the 90s were the best decade, but the 80s were a close 2nd. Everything since is dogshit.
The 90's were the beginning of the declining years, last 20years music and movies lack originality and complete distinctiveness. Everything's a carbon copy or a complete rip off from someone else. Just look at the top100 Chart from the mid 1980's. You'll find 80 different artist, and they were all a breed unto themselves. From Genesis to Ozzy, It was truly the band era. Who didn't own an Electric Guitar or at least learn to play Smoke on the Water.
The 80’s were a golden age for America, but a dark dark age for the rest of us.
@Oggatha Christie shut up, commie asshole. FUCK YOU.
'Greetings Professor Falken'
'Hello Joshua'
'A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? Or anything other than Global Thermonuclear War.'
How about a rousing game of MW2 360 Quikscop 1V1 headshot Rust, you mingy skrub?
MLPSpikeisbestpony oh u are from snipars then this is 2brave4you chikcy scrub 1v1 me m8
I'm your Huckleberry. That's what it should have said. LOL
And at this point, the computer learnt the ultimate winning move, that has been passed down through generations of gamers for ages ever since...
_The Rage Quit_
I've always wanted to play Faleken's Maze!
I have always loved Wargames. Great freaking movie.
dtrix10kc one of the best
Same here especially the ending where the computer itself shows there would no winners in a nuclear war.
Let us hope that the key never gets turned, lest we be the creators of our own destruction.
Or that the only time the key gets used is to launch our first warp ship. Trekker 4 Life guys!
They do turn the keys, not to launch but to see if those with the keys will do their job when the time comes. The AF had to remove some of those with keys because they refused to turn the key when ordered to do so.
@@everybuddy5924 really? where is that documented?
And then they tried again and Skynet was born.
Me, 39 years ago: Wow, what an awesome movie with an uplifting final message!
Me today: *Frantically searching for the "Ukrainian Escalation" scenario*
Trying to play the clip at half speed 🤣
There's a Reddit post somewhere in which someone took down all of the scenarios listed.
Spoiler alert: The winner is none.
Exactly. Between seeing this and “The Day After” our generation was very relieved when the Cold War seemed to end. Turns out now that wasn’t the case.
Turn off the stock market, that's all they're doing, creating sure bets
How about a nice game of chess, Vlad?
Saw this movie when I was a teenager. Still one of my favorite movie endings ever. Antiquated equipment be damned.
Yes. Unfortunately, now some ass hole can destroy the world from his I phone
Old Iron So True!
Yes, but when there's an array of multi million dollar "peripherals" attached to it, I'd take antiquated any day.
"What do you mean Windows 10 is updating? How long is that going take?"
@Old Iron Like A good old Chevy pickup.
@Old Iron She must had been a real smooth ride.
The technology may be antiquated but the message is still relevant. Thanks for posting.
Even more so right now...
"shall we play a Game" is the start up sound on my phone lol
Where did you get it?
Personally, mine is the quote from HAL-9000, “I am completely operational, and all my circuits are functioning perfectly.” I also had “what is thy bidding, my master” by Darth Vader.
Mine is just the 10t Doctor Who theme
40 years later and the film still holds up.
Especially when something similar has actually happened
DAMN RIGHT! Let's hope Israel and Iran know that!
This part of the movie always had me on the edge of my seat on how real this can be. This was in 83. We are in 22 and this is sooo freaking scary. I was 10 when this movie came out.
I was 9
this movie is still awesome after all these years :P
I don't know why, but "put x in the center square" is like the funniest line from a movie I've ever heard.
I teach cybersecurity and make my students watch this every term. A lot of terms and concepts used today come from this movie.
The most clear example being wardialing I presume. Later on wardriving was coined too.
This really got me I. Did understand what he. Was. Doing till now
Did you see this film in a theater? I did, and, when the money shot, "The only winning move is not to play" came onscreen, there were a few chuckles, but that was it.
I say this because I was told that---in many theaters---the crowd erupted in cheers and applause at that moment. Did anyone here experience that? The line is ENTIRELY editorial, of course: Even today, our most sophisticated computer would say nothing more than, "A strange game. Unwinnable. Pointless. I suggest a game of chess."
All that being said, I loved this film! Definitely on my all-time Top 10 list.
It all depended on how politically involved in politics the area viewing the film was. In Milledgeville, Ga where I live, its a really small town. All I heard was laughter. It was a lot louder and more people did it though, cause the area i live in is more care-free and not involved in worldly events. Well, at least back then we werent.
Yes, there were cheers where I was at. I did live next to an Air Force Base at the time, maybe that's why
There was no winning the war everyone lost.
they cheered in San Francisco!!!! people do not sit on their hands here!!!!
Phyllis Petras Yeah, the just drive around in smug and inhale their own farts in San Francisco.
What gets lost in the brilliance of this scene is the computer reaches the minimal point of being self aware.
It has the code but instead of following it's programming it cross references with what it just learned with Tic Tac Toe. It realizes if it carries out it's programming there is no way to win. It actually learns basic morality through calculation of total loss. If there was just ONE scenario where it could win it may launch.
Yeah, I still love that. It doesn't just simulate nukes, it calculates losses and simulates strategies that are about geopolitics, not just about nukes - some strategies it tries include diversion, takeover, revolution, subversion.
It didn't learn what right and wrong mean to humans, but it brute-forced its way to the only sensible decision (avoid MAD).
The only winning move is not to play,...wow...
That is correct. Nobody "wins" any nuclear war anything. The only question is how badly does humanity lose.
@A M A Z O Even if you don't die during initial stage of the full scale nuclear war you will die later on due radioactive fallout, nuclear winter (during which you won't see a sun for COUPLE YEARS which mean all natural food sources will ceases to exist) food shortage, radioactive water... unless you will live for more than one decade in fallout shelter... assuming that it will be prepared enough to sustain your presence in it for a very long time without necessity of resupply.
In other words... there is no such thing as less loosing in all out Nuclear war scenario.
Doktor Hachi Roku Sounds like how we tried not to get involved in war SEVERAL TIMES but nope other countries screwed it up
Masterpiece of a film. Still holds up today.
ummm. well... hello from my 2024 "Idiocracy simulator" virtual reality headset ! 👋👋👋
well i think that must be what's going on here, anyways... 🤨🤔😧😱
4:05 "Chad Option" lmao.
A single "spark" that leads to the world on fire. I would have laughed at this "Option" in the 90's.. Now, with the people at the "button", who bloody knows...
3:48 "Chad Alert" 😜
4:02 "English Thrust" 😜
"How about about a nice game of chess?"
The sad irony is that chess itself is loosely based on war.
I'm so happy I was an 80s baby. The best movies ever!
These movies are top-shelf
Meanwhile in 2022….
"The Only Winning Move Is Not To Play"
Not playing is the whole point of a nuclear deterrent.
Well no. "Not playing" in the way the movie meant it would be for everyone to dismantle their nuclear arsenals.
Am I the only one that wanted to closely follow every possible scenario and analyze them?
(3:15) The US USSR escalation seemed promissing. USSR starts by attacking radars (maybe also airbases) outside the US mainland, US responds by attacking northern east Siberia. (At this point retaliation was proportional. They didn't attack any densely populated areas). US takes it a step further and launches against targets near the Kola peninsula and on the Kamtchatka peninsula. USSR decides to go all out (my theory is that they thought the missile going for the Kola targets was going to hit St. Petersburg); once the US sees this they go all out as well.
You're not the only one
This is one of THE best movies from the 80's. I love this film. Thanks for posting. Classic.
they didn't answer his question, he just wanted to play a nice partie of chess :( poor robot computer
- "How about a nice game of chess?"
- No answer...
- "Alright, back to thermonuclear war then."
lazyatthedisco HAHAHAHAHAH
Maybe that will be the lead to the sequel.
@@pablopina8924 there is a sequel. However it was horrible. That's why you never heard of it. I believe it was made in 2002 if I'm correct. Dont quote me on it but check it out.
@@theenzoferrari458 Sequels always get cheesier, the movie have a name?
"The only winning move is not to play"
Basically the state of the Madden series right now.
"Put X in the center square." One of my favorite lines in movie history.
Well, 33 years later.. and we are now at DEFCON 3...
Ya, I know, lol, but I think that will be moving again in the next few years... and China and others will be involved..
What?
Remnant Soldier DEFCON 3 is a conventional war. DEFCON 2&1 is where it gets really bad.
Remnant Soldier Uh, pretty sure we haven't been at DEFCON 3 since 9/11. There was a conspiracy theory that we went to DEFCON 3 in June of 2016 (which is when I assume you made this comment), but it was a hoax.
ThatRandomDude DEFCON 3 is not conventional warfare. It's not warfare at all, it's a readiness state. Specifically it's "Increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness." Generally this means the Air Force (specifically things like Air Combat Command and the Force Global Strike Command) are ready to deploy within 15 minutes.
I always liked that ominous music that played as the computer played itself in tic tac toe
I'd still piss on a sparkplug if I thought it would help.
someone please play tic-tac-toe with Putin
"Sometimes the only way to win the game is to not play at all"...,MESSAGE! It's great advice as a rule.
The professor always had that smirk,like nuclear war,sounds fun
I interpret Falken's smirk (David's expression is much the same) as him realizing what's going on, how Joshua's thought processes are going.
Like a proud papa seeing his "son" learning a huge milestone kind of life lesson, with a dash of pride a papa has when he thinks, "I helped make this wonder."
Good movie & one of John Badham's best. It's mindboggling to think that there are hundreds of nuclear tipped rockets (ICBM's) sitting underground in the northwest of the U.S.A. & also in Russia. With one order from the President & a couple keys being turned, WW3 & eventually... nuclear holocaust. Let's hope they all continue to collect dust & never ever get used.
they will be used we have regressed into the stone age with our pride and our arrogance after winning the Cold War we learned less than nothing from it , we quaked in righteous anxiety with every International incident and or potential conflict THEN , NOW we ignore them on a daily basis and the population willfully stays ignorant , by historical precedent the holocaust this move invokes should have already happened yet our luck teaches us to ignore the danger further , tragically , ALL weapons ever devised by Mankind have been used they would in my opinion be used in my and your lifetime , on that happy note bye
@@vincec3773 Reagan himself said that no one won the cold war. USA is still the same as it was and so is Russia (except the fact that the USSR has dismantled). you could also argue that it's still ongoing if you think of the current situation right now
@@guardiadecivil6777
A few years back, a old friend, and drinking buddy, were arguing over whether the Cold War actually ended. To me, once the Berlin Wall fell, and Yeltsin, all too briefly, was in charge of things, it seemed that East-West tensions were cooled, and diplomatic relations finally came out of the deep freeze ...
His argument, though, was, during a time when he was working for a small import/export company, he saw things differently, and that basically what we were just seeing was calm seas between storms ...
It took nigh on a decade later, and way much more reading on my part (not least learning the shocking truth about NATO's excercise of Able Archer '83, which -- as the name implies -- took place in 1983, that led to Yuri Andropov to not commit all SS20s in their mobile launchers, in to 'the field' along with nuclear CnC, but also raised the Soviet defense posture to the equivalent to DEFCON 2. To give some idea of how close that was, not even Khrushchev did that during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Being only 9 in '83, there was a a slim chance, that I never knew of, of not seeing my 10th birthday ...), to realise the simple truth: he was right.
Ever since Trinity, and the Soviet equivalent, nuclear ploiferation was always going to be a double edged sword: on the one hand, nuclear energy has always being able to keep pace with demand, more so than both carbon-based (coal and gas), and renewables (solar, wind, and tidal), combined.
Trouble is, the same physics used for creating nuclear fission is the same whether it is for a reactor ... or a bomb; it is simple a matter of how controlled it is, via neutron adsorbers. And whilst nuclear fussion within a reactor is a engineering challenge that has been always just beyond reach, creating a bomb that is a fission-fussion (or, in the orginal conceptual design of the Tsar Bomba, a fission-fussion-fission) device, is, from an engineering point of view, simplier ...
Thus, it wasn't China becoming fully thermonuclear which became an issue. It was the arms race between India and Pakistan that really set things off, and one man in particular: A. Q. Khan. A brilliant nuclear engineer in his own right, he started off helping build gas centrifuges, that are used in the enrichment of uranium, by which the most fissile isotope, but rarest, can be separated out from the most common, and concentrated.
His is a complex story, but it seems more than likely that he had a major hand in not just, more or less, creating single-handedly the Pakistanian nuclear weapons programme, but played a large part, seemingly, in both the Iranian, and, quite possibly, North Korea's too ...
That, along with Putin becoming increasing ensconced in the Kremlin, not only along with Trump's walking away from the key INF treaty (which leads to the possibility of other treaties, especially START II, being abandoned ...) but also the annexation of Ukraine anc the Crimea, plus backing Assad in Syria; an increasingly frosty relationship between North Korea and its erstwhile ally China; the tensions not just between the two Korea's, but China's expansionism into the South China Sea; the perpetual tension between India and Pakistan, that is not helped with Pakistan's clear involvement in Afghanistan; and finally the entire mess (plus ça change ...) in the Middle East, not helped with the invasion of Iraq, has all meant that not since 1986/87, have I felt things being this geopolitically unstable ...
Granted, that feeling is sans that feeling of nuclear war being imminent (it was a matter of when, not if, at that time ...), but saying that we are heading towards a Cold War II is a misnomer ... the first wasn't actually ended ...
Instead, much like the Korean War, it ended in a perpetual state of cease-fire. So that time of 'peace' was, in hindsight, nothing short of a hiatus ...
Which leads to this. It is easy to downplay North Korea, especially as most people dismiss it, due it it not having the missile technology to hit the West Coast of America ...
But even a regional nuclear war, with detonations in the kiloton range, would be enough to trigger a full-on East-West exchange ...
[Side note: there is the two other wild-cards: Iran, and Israel. We kind of know what exactly is the full extent of the Iranian nuclear programme, abet they have never undertaken a testing programme in the same vein as North Korea, so who knows whether their warhead designs are feasible.
But if North Korea's nuclear capabilities are opaque, then Israel's is downright impenetrable. No-one truly knows their capabilities, capacity, and certainly not the intent as to at what point they may even consider using it ...
Which, all told, means the old game of chess is now Texas Hold'em, with God knows how many chips on the table ...]
Well ikk have to say. Defcon one was gonna happen
Only in the US and Russia? Few hundreds? Yeah right.
4:59 when the general sits down, he looks like saying, "I can't take much more of this. Time to take an early retirement..."
This movie's version of NORAD is, to me, the gold standard of military installations. And I love the reaction shots of the main characters as JOSHUA runs the war simulations - David and Falken are fascinated, Jennifer hides her eyes, McKittrick is just taking it all in, and Berenger, God love him, has a fantastic "WTF is going on??" look on his face.
Note to self: Greenland comes out unscathed.
Our Professor decided to watch this movie one random day and now we have to analyze this as our project :")
In my opinion, the most dramatic part in this sequence is the moment at which the screens all go blank apart from the flashing launch code. Joshua has literally exhausted every single strategic scenario it can possibly imagine and in that moment is stumped and completely at a loss. Even though every scenario was different, the end result was always the same...and so of course the only logical conclusion it can draw is that the real puzzle which needs to be figured out is not how to play the game but why anyone would ever choose to or want to.
This movie is actually scary to me, because it takes me back to a time when I was convinced the USA and USSR were going to have a nuclear war and we were all going to be toast. It's almost astounding it didn't happen, but MAD worked. Prob is, things can still go sideways, though back then, it really seemed like it might happen for a while.
Welcome to 5 months later...😳
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And then Joshua was replaced by Skynet.....
I thought this was a great film. Thank you for posting the finale on this cinematic masterpiece.
Eh, I figure Legion pushed its code in. :)
I like how when the computer simulated tic tac toe, it started by always putting X in the center like the player had done. It was only after exhausting all options from that opening that it started trying other locations.
words to live by that seem to have been forgotten by too many - conflict is almost never the answer.
The only winning move is not to play ... exactly
LOVE the music at the end!! Tommy Morgan on harmonica!!!
I was watching Threads and got depressed. Had to watch this. Give me a little hope.
Zoomers who watch this movie are probably surprised to find out computers existed in 1983.
The fascinating thing about this scene, is that it has ended up rather accurately portraying how modern AI has played out nearly 40 years later. No, our AI isn't smart enough to make intuitive leaps of logic when comparing a simple game with a no-win condition such as tic-tac-toe to a far more complex one like a full nuclear exchange - but the high-speed iterative learning process it undergoes IS quite representative of how our AI today works to learn about problems.
Our AI either examines millions of pieces of related data (pictures, or text, or driving patterns, etc) to learn about a task or topic - or it plays 'games' against itself millions of times in rapid succession, at first blindly feeling out the basic rules of the game it is playing, and then gradually refining its own methods and tactics as it goes.
In the case of tic-tac-toe, any modern AI could functionally 'solve' the game as unwinnable in a matter of moments. Games like chess are still beyond their ability to fully solve - but they've already surpassed humans almost entirely. So while there are a number of substantial liberties taken with computer intelligence in this movie, the actual scene at the heart of it, with the AI attempting to 'solve' the problem of a nuclear engagement through a massively iterative self-learning effort is in fact thematically and even relatively technically accurate.
Also, this scene remains a masterpiece. I saw it when I was a kid and the impact then was both terrifying and enlightening. It still holds today.
Why won't anyone play chess with that poor computer?
They took the computer for sarcasm.
The world almost did end about the time this movie was released. The Russian nuke system mistook a few weather balloons as a nuke launch from NATO in Europe. Luckily...the Soviet HRIC thought it through and did not launch the "retaliatory strike" their systems told him to launch
99 red balloons
@@RobotsEverywhereVideos is that what the song is a tually about
This is genuinely fucking terrifying- with everything going on with Ukraine and Russia
Sure in this movie it was fake, the nukes never happened, but we might witness what will happen if it does
There is also a movie for that. The Day After. Some say it made some decision makers rethink. Obviously nobody saw the movie for a long time...
@@morn1415 It made Reagan rethink. At least he wrote so in his memories.
The lady calling out that Joshua is getting closer to having the code to launch the nukes looks familiar.
I love the sound in this movie, including the music of course but not just the music.
"its game over man, game over!"
"We've got sonic, electronic ballbreakers.."
Putin brought me here.
It's funny how only 2 people in the entire room are happily aware of what's going on, but everyone else is freaking out.😁
Perfect for today 2022
And that is the greatest portrayal of the theory of Mutually Assured Destruction in media. Bar none.
This movie holds a deeper meaning right now ! 3-1-22 !
Congratulations, you now understand the idea behind Mutually Assured Destruction
ally sheedy...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
"What's it doing?"| "It's learning."
Imagine the same scene but with the conclusion... "WINNER: ME" . Skynet vibes.
Machine Learning, the hard way.
THIS is how you make an illogical scene compelling. Great writing -- in terms of setup, objectives, character motivations -- and absolutely terrific sound design and score. Fridge logic be damned!
I saw this movie as a part of technology class in high school. This scene really scared me although I love this movie!
I know it’s fiction, but who decided to design the nuclear code input system in a way to tell the computer that the overall code is wrong, but individual characters are correct? 🤦♂️
Probably the same person who designed the password protection system for the Incompatible Time sharing System, which actually did just that! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_System
The MIT hackers who hated the introduction of passwords into their OS found out that the system confirmed what characters were correct, thus they were able to crack anyone's password, then telling them what their password was, proving that the security was a joke. They then suggested simply using a password consisting of a single space, as its easier to type and everyone else uses it so can always remind you if you forget it :D
always give me goosebumps