Everything we know about Dawntrail (and also my wild guesses)
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- After the FanFests and 6.55, we've got all the info we'll probably get to speculate about for Dawntrail. But what is all that info, and what might that tell us? Today, I'm giving you the exhaustive lowdown on info, before throwing a few darts at the board myself on what that might all mean.
Section timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:37 - Pure Lore Facts
11:13 - Pure FanFest Info
26:07 - Pure Speculation
38:18 - Outro
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I understood the fighting match between Galool Ja Ja and Meteor to be more of a sparring match.
I think that might be the intention, but if so, damn, Gulool is WRECKING his throne room for a spar.
@@EinDose Kings and ruining their throne rooms, it's kind of a thing lmao
I don't think sparing would include trying to torch meteor lol
Didn't know that about Wuk Lamat's voice actor. Cool stuff.
I could see Valagarmanda being less of a Standard Boss and more of a trial to prove our worth some way, with Valagarmanda ending up as a guide/presence throughout the rest of the expansion (and we may encounter them as either a Trial or a Dungeon Final Boss). That's really just assuming they actually take FF6 into consideration though. I could almost just as easily see if being a hunt we have to go on that IS just a trial boss. I do agree that Eliminator won't be a big deal in the long term. I could even see it just being essentially a door guard at the end of the tech dungeon as we make our way into Solution Nine in the first place.
I'm not sure that the Mamool Ja we've seen so prominently in the promo material is going to be the Warmonger. That feels a little too on the nose for me (Well, of course the weird lizard man is the Bad Guy! No way it could possibly be the Cat People!). Even if we know the Mamool Ja in general are not necessarily a war like people, it would still be a bad look to have the one contender for the throne who is a Mamool Ja be "the bad one." Overall, though, I just hope that the Scions basically stay out of the race for the throne as much as possible. Given everything SE has said about being sensitive to the whole colonization angle so far I think they're aware of how bad that would look, but if the eventual winner only wins because We made them win it would, again, not be a good look.
Completely agree with the end of video silly speculations too, in terms of both hopes and fears (and the reception to the expac by certain portions of the player base).
For what it's worth, the latest live letter did confirm the warmobger is A Mamool Ja, although it's not THIS Mamool Ja. It's another two-headed one, I think the one we see fighting in the benchmark.
...which raises the question of who the guy on the poster is!
My guess is "Solution 9" is one of the ancients' attempts to survive the Final Days that didn't work out. So named as it was the 9th solution to survival that they attempted. They built a huge subterranean complex intending to hide in it and survive, but something about the nature of the Final Days subverted that functionality so they abandoned it. It may have had computer banks and automation that managed the facility that still operate, and have been appropriated by whatever group found the place and took over.
Love this as both a primer and speculation video of Dawntrail ❤
So I just wanted to say not all exonyms, names describing another culture that are not from that culture, are inherently bad. "The new world" is the exception, as much like in our real world it robs that culture of its agency. That said most English names for other places, people, and cultures are exonyms. Japan, Greece, Germany, and so, so many more. Usually they come about naturally, giving an entire people the name of their closest colony, in this case calling all of Tural Mamook(not certain on the spelling). In game we also see this a bit within Eorzean common with "Old Sharlayan" and "The Sharlayan Colony" which should technically have their names reversed, but the people of Eorzea went with the convenient and observed descriptions, as opposed to the true and local ones.
I bring this up because it's really important to understand just how specifically bad "the new world" is as an exonym. They can be harmless, they can happen as an accident of new culture, but sometimes they are the result of men naming claimed lands after themselves, or worse erasing the local name to imply it's free to be taken.
Interesting that you mention it, because the lore states that Ketenramm (The Roegadyn who "discovered" Tural) did try to have the continent named "Ketenland", but no one humored him on that. That being said, I'm fairly confident that the "new world" exonym will be used very sparingly, since I'd imagine the majority of the npcs we encounter will be locals of Tural and would have no reason to call their home as such. Judging by how Wuk Lamat lightly mocked the "new world" term in the trailer, the native Turali probably do not think very fondly of it, promoting the scions to drop it very early on.
@@NoOne-gg5mc I'd imagine any use of "the new world" from here out will be akin to the use of "beast man" , in that the devs know why it's a problem, and are using it to examine the issue.
I figure if we see or hear the term “New World” being used in Tural it’ll likely be from recent transplants from Eorzea seeing as that’s what it’s called there for the most part. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Scions themselves occasionally refer to Tural as “The New World” out of habit
I share your approach on speculation. There's so much we don't know. I will be looking forward to the start of this next arc and i'm excited to see where it takes us with this new beginning. It's so important to see representation and inclusion with Wuk Lamat's voice actor too. I hope there's more of that. So excited!
I feel like we're gonna see a lot of LatAm VAs among the core new cast, and that'll be awesome.
It's one thing CBU3 has been really, really good about. I loved all the Indian and other regional voice actors they got for Thavnairans in EW. Seeing the way that the FF team incorporates real world mythologies into FF, then sprinkling it with actual real world flavor via the voice actors is fantastic (now that they have the budget to actually do it). I am honestly excited to see what else they bring, both in Dawntrail and going forward. Especially with Merycidia! With people comparing it to an Australia analogue, it would be interesting to see Australian, New Zealand, and indigenous peoples adding their voices. Maybe even with Indonesian and Filipino actors spicing up the cast.
Solution 9 is awesome!
re: two headed mamol ja, we do know how they're born, and I believe this was lore we learned all the way back in ARR. Basically if the parents aren't directly related, then their offspring will have two heads.
That feels like it should be really common, though. Like, if interbreeding creates predefined leaders that everyone respects, why isn't every Mamool Ja interbreeding?
@@EinDose went back to read into it more, it's not a guarantee that the offspring will have two heads, but it's also not possible unless the two parents are from different tribes.
I would have to guess it doesn't pop up more often due to maybe tribalism? Guess we'll learn more in the expansion
That giant bridge part might be a reference to Foz do Iguaçu and it's waterfalls! Big landmark for Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay as it is located at the triple frontier
My bet is that Erenville is indeed a 4th adopted child, and a plausible but unwilling contender, and I'm really curious if it *is* true how that's gonna shake up the throne debate!
Partially this is cause of how the poster is set up. If Wuk Lamat, the one-headed mamool ja, and the miqo guy with glasses are all contenders and presumably all children by blood or adoption of Gulool Ja Ja, then Erenville fills the empty spot.
We're gonna have Wuk Lamat, who seemingly is only doing this to stop war but seems a bit unsure of herself (I'm betting she's the baby of the siblings) and what her plans are once she *does* get the throne. I think we're gonna see a big dynamic between the mamol ja guy who's gonna be hypertraditionalist and want war to prove his strength and might vs the miqo guy who went to Sharlayan and now wants to bring his homeland "to the modern world" aka very anti-traditionalist and maybe super focused on technology related to Solution 9. That's why we've got those two chars on the opposite side of the poster from Wuk Lamat and Erenville, who'll be the "good" choice for the throne whether for the entire story or simply at the beginning. And I bet there's gonna be a whole thing about why Erenville left, why he seems so agitated about going home and being involved in this, etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if in typical FF tradition he ends up ruling as the middle central opinion bridging the gaps between his other potential siblings.
(Obviously big caveat that I don't think we got any confirmation that the throne was only up to the Dawnservant's children? So I could be completely off, but the design of the poster feels like it's really setting the plot up in this fashion)
EDIT: re-read this later and realized it came off as kinda "this is 100% how this will happen" and want to say I meant it in a "this is what I'm betting based off everything you've mentioned too" guessing tone, apologies!
Yeah, we agree on the gist of things; I don't think Erenville was an adopted child (Wuk Lamat would've said that), but everything else is something I at least kind of expect to happen.
@@EinDose I'm so curious to find out what Wuk Lamat and Erenville's shared history was like! There seems to be a lot of tension there, or at least that's how I read it. I wish I knew where to read the Japanese version of the dialogue and see if it comes off different or similar.
God thank you for pointing out got the Arcadion glyph looks nothing like Altima’s symbol. I was starting to think I had some sort of glyph recognition blindness with how many people keep parroting this whole nonsense
It's wishful/overly-predictive thinking, I suspect. It's less that they ACTUALLY see an Ascian sigil, and more that they want or expect to see an Ascian sigil.
@@EinDose my first impression when I saw the sigil was (insert Ancient Aliens meme) “Ascians!” So immediately I had to check the sigil against all the scions of light sigils and saw no match
I’d love to see a fafnir in the alliance raid that spike flails and wipes the raid if a tank gets aggro from behind it. And it’s surrounded with darter ads that if pulled by a mistake will cause chaos
I think the bit about solution nine not being an ancient city or something is probably only half true. I think it might not quite be actual ancients in there, but i think its a city that has been up for very very long and probably survived a lot of the calamities. I don't think at this point having a city that has more ancient knowledge or stuff will overshadow the story they have now
I've been trying to make sense of that sigil in the raid picture but I agree that there's not a great match with the corresponding XII symbols. I was wondering if it could maybe be multiple symbols combined, but if I recall the cases where we've seen that so far have had a pretty clear split down the middle.
The other thing I had thought was maybe it's Azem's, since that one wouldn't be pulled from XII and there would be reason enough for Azem to have influence beyond Amaurot...but what bits of imagery we do have associated with Azem (the Scion Traveler's Mask, the old statue of Azeyma in Thanalan, and the summoning circle from the Azem stone) point towards a sigil with four very distinct straight lines at the bottom, which this new one is not. I'm intrigued to see where it goes.
great video 😄I loved the "Speculation" about the memes. Also the haters have already shown their faces on the main forums and Reddit. Their transphobia is very obvious. On that did I see a Bridget plush? OK so for my theory.
Solution 9 is a civilization dating back to the Second Umbral Era, and is basically an "Ark" of sorts. It's also the "City of Gold" because of mythology and such. BTW gold when exploded in a specific way is Purple in color. Weird science fact. And I suspect Yoshi-P is playing with that idea.
That is indeed a Bridget plush!
And I kind of like the notion of Solution Nine being the city of gold, but I feel like they wouldn't bury the lead so hard that the 'city of gold' isn't even gold.
Pretty sure they said solution 9 is gonna be the end game hub city
From what I both remember and can tell, I don't think they did say that, but it's a reasonable conclusion to reach; if we're going to Tulliyolal first, then logically Solution Nine is the one we congregate around at the end, it's just how things usually work.
I'm almost certain the hyur and miqo'te in overalls are from Shaaloani. The guy at 13:47 in overalls holding the pineapple looks like he has a cowboy-inspired hat
Atlas would be cool but proto-Adam does sound more like what’s going to happen? S9 is seriously giving academia vibes
Yeah, if we're doing XIII-universe stuff there's much richer veins than Atlas. I feel like if I'm right, he's just one of the miscellaneous bosses. Like he's the third raid or something.
@@EinDose yea I’m sick of it being relegated to allergan stuff so I was kind of happy seeing some mobs from the dead ends (the hedgehogs!!) I think it’ll be silly for them not to try to integrate 13 and 15 now it’s a bit further from them
For the speculation stuff- I've lower my Solution 9 to be a very recent "Wakanda" just to have a shocking subversion of the FF trope of Ancient High Tech civilization. And of course it's 100% Turali.
Thanks in part to the Japanese sub-culture fascination with Chicano/Cholo, the blue jeans and suspender wearing Miqote are Xak Tural. And the population to the north are mostly Miqote and Hyur with some Viera who live off-screen in the cloud-covered PNW or Appalachia. This is where Erenville is from. Sadly I *still* won't get a nod to my favorite theory pre-reveal of Male Viera, that they had antlers and were jackalopes. But maybe I'll get a jackalope minion.
That arc in the Amano artwork- zoomed in and it looks like there's maybe buildings? What if one of the Golden Cities is built on an arc?
I do think that the Amano art is showing some part of the city of gold, but I'm not really sure what sort of information that gives us.
How the fuck did you guess the Wuk Lamat debacle, the Viper Job crisis, and the solution nine/final area truth?
@@LightbladeRiulo Because this game? Very willing and very able to take insane swerves that you could never entirely see coming.
This community? Can be read like a book, and that book has a third-grade reading level.
My theories on solution 9 range from the least likely (a civilization from the source that found a way to survive the second calamity, very unlikely) or more likely, a civilization from another shard that teleported the whole damn city. Either to escape a disaster or in a course of natural expansion having discovered the relationship between the source and shards. They arrive in the "source" and the first place they encounter sentient species is named "Heritage found". A civilization in an unbothered shard would have had 12,000 years to progress with science and technology which would explain the appearance. Them possessing mastery or just proficiency in shard travel could explain the "cosmic exploration" social content's presence.
I am guessing the girl at the top of the key art is likely from solution 9 but the possibility of her being another in line for the throne is a possibility. I don't buy into the "digitized civilization" theory. Digital people don't need advertisements, bars, park benches, trash cans, service counters or aetherite networks. I do not believe they are a source native. I think they are Emet-Selch's "Some of the civilizations on the reflections will surprise you".
As far as the "new world" terminology, I have a feeling it's here to stay and that's fine. It is new to us. Eastern continent people will likely still use the terminology and it makes sense. Applying a modern lens isn't the way to go. If one begins picking nits, Wuk Lamat's accent is a post colonial speech pattern. As far as Wuk Lamat goes, I really like her and I think she has a lot of growth opportunity that will make her super endearing. I've begun referring to her as Meownbryda and I don't know that I'll be able to completely shake that.
Like I said, while it makes sense for characters to call it the 'new world', it's also right for the writers to avoid it because of the real-world baggage.
And yeah, there's a LOT of potential explanations for Solution Nine. I'm not confident about the wilder ones, but I can't completely rule most of them out.
I think, hilariously, Solution Nine maps onto Las Vegas. Which fits the neon tech city in the middle of a desert. The surrounding environs aren't Wyoming and certainly not Montana. I mean, if we want to get technical, that level of badland would work for Eastern Washington, which is a miserably dry place to drive through but also has some crazy geographic features. Shaalonai is more New Mexico/Arizona/Colorado than it is Texas (speaking as a Texan with family connections across much of the US). And the giant lake is a singular fantasy version of the Great Lakes. So Fantasy Canada is still cloud-covered at the moment. And Fantasy Pacific Northwest, which would be a great variation on rain-forest and volcanic biomes (and sadly I bet would only be used for a later patch dungeon). But it's Vegas and that makes the fan-fest connection funny.
God I would absolutely love Fantasy Pacific Northwest, especially if they managed to figure out the split the Cascades do for the rainforests in the west and plateaus in the east
Ooh, I didn't think of Vegas at all, but that makes so much sense even beyond jokes.
@37:46 There are THIRTEEN different symbols to compare to. That looks like the symbol for Mateus, the Corrupt on the left, and on the right you have the one for Ultima, the High Seraph. All the ascians so far have been associated with an esper through the glyphs. Mateus, the Corrupt was for Lahabrea.
The common theory is that it's Altima's, so I pulled up Ultima's since that was the one being declared. I honestly don't think it looks like any of them, it just wouldn't have been very helpful to go through all thirteen when there's only one lead theory and even that's tenuous.
@@EinDoseI agree, I don’t think it looks like any Ascian glyph. I’d say the closest is Mateus but even then it doesn’t look enough like it for me to buy the connection people are trying to make
I think my idle speculation is going to be that Solution 9 is going to be the golden city or closely related to it, that being said I am not quite sure what to make of solution 9 since people clearly live and have lived close to where it is but it also doesn't seem to have much impact on its surrounding area despite the level of tech that is clearly there. Since we don't know much about the lead up to the first Umbral Calamity, and I don't like the idea that we went from the world unsundered to the 2nd Astral Era without much surviving records, I'm imagining it might be something from back then. I would imagine that it was in some form of stasis or something. But this is just me building a fun sandcastle of a theory than anything well, substantiated.
Not a Viera on the advertisement. That's a midlander
Today, I've learned that if you crop out the ears and any indications of height from a midlander or viera picture, I can't tell them apart.
"I'm sorry, but ... no it fucking isn't."
Please never stop making videos.
not to um acktchually but the midwest united states is the named for the mid east united states lmao also im pretty sure solution 9 is suppose to be sort of las vegas seeing that its a big neon city in a desert and fan fest is always held in las vegas
What kind of country calls their mid-east region the midwest!?
the wacky kind xD the name comes from the fact that colonists settled east and expanded west so to them the mid east of the continent was the mid west not knowing how far the land went west xD but as a random side note this is where the music genre term midwest emo comes from (which the genre itself came from the literal furthest east of the US in washington D.C. xD its so backwards)
You cant just spoil the launch week reactions like that, some people are new! They weren't there to see the easiest healer job get blasted for being too hard. Also i think you might be a bit late, ive already heard too much "dawn trail is already bad because of Wuk", these guys work fast.
Oh yeah, they're already preemptively mad, but they haven't had the chance to develop their supposed case yet.
The miqo brother wasn't on the top of my list of warmonger suspects but I haven't ruled him out. It's easy enough to study just whats convenient and keep to yourself so being well read does not stop a person from making misguided, selfish or outright malicious decisions. I'll add that a visitor to eorzea from a more peaceful region might find reason to "save" us from ourselves after hearing about the kind of things we've been up to.
The main thing knocking Koana out of contention for being the warmonger to me is Wuk Lamat's very different mentalities when talking about them. She's clearly putting them forward as distinctly different people in different parts of her life, while also being a very emotionally open person. I don't think she would've hidden that they're the same person if they in fact are.
Its vana diel said like van uh deal btw
Thankyou! I'll try to keep that in mind when I say it in the future, but honestly, I'm not sure how often I'll be saying it.
I find it fun she's using the 'sh' sound for 'ss' words xD
solution 9 is way too advanced for a world that kept getting reset'ed to 0 every calamity (minus the 7th), the fact that there are many ascians we have not seen yet suggests 2 things, eithetr they were killed by WoLs of other shards, or they were working on the back-up plan should the rejoinings plan fail for any reason, which is solutuion 9, but then..emet mentioning the golden city over this may suggest that it's either not related to them or not as impressive as the gold city which is very,very exciting, now lets hope they don't make the golden city into a dungeon.
Solution Nine surviving a few Calamities is plausible when you remember that most of the Calamities were squared on Eorzea. We do know that Bozja survived a bunch of them, after all.
But as for the Ascians, I'd point out that we very famously dealt with one that went 'screw the rejoinings' after the unsundered all died. So we can't presume that the remaining three or four are working in any way on a rejoining-focused plan, they could be doing anything. (Including 'nothing'.)
12:30 who cares? if she has the talent she gets the job. dont be cringe. she doesnt know you
4:30 its a video game. they can call it whatever they want. dont bring YOUR baggage into the game. no one cares