Hildibrand's One Good Joke (FFXIV Story Highlight)
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Let's try something a bit new! We're gonna start what's hopefully gonna be a series, talking about why specific highlights of FFXIV work as well as they do--well, at least to me. And where better to start than the one time Hildibrand, the big comedy storyline, actually made me laugh.
Section timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:03 - Why I don't find Hildibrand funny
6:08 - The Setup
10:14 - The Joke
17:32 - The Rest of the Joke
38:18 - Outro
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My favorite joke is when the villain of Endwalker explain his plan to clone the WOL. Then you can say "wait that not a bad idea. I should do that." and the music stops dead and everyone just stares at you and acts like you were joking. That to us was the best joke in the whole game.
That one is pretty fantastic, and also feels like a joke that knows the game really well; that's talking to the people who heard Gaius or Emet's pitch and wanted to join them.
@@EinDose Yeah, it is a joke that feels like it understand their fandom well and knows how to poke them correctly.
as someone enamored with hildibrand in general who always cracks up during its questlines, i'm just glad some part of it was able to bring you joy as well, however briefly. shout outs to experiencing joyous laughter.
The "Gentleman of Light" Hildi joke in ARR was an Obvious Japanese pun that isn't translating to the same level of wordplay fun that one familiar w/ Japanese media recognizes, same with all the boke/straightman structure. Sometimes Hildy jokes work for me; sometimes not. But I also immediately caught the lore parody, and that Godbert's trailing off musing setting up that the punchline was that this additive retcon explaining what existed for genre functionality (the Manderville cartoon physics durability) to have in-universe justification (a la the Azem summonstone) was all bait-and-switch.
At the start of the video: Thanks for the heads up at the start, it helped prep my mind for "it's her opinion, it's ok if she doesn't like what you like" and I knew I was in for a good time when I already started laughing with the best explanation for slapstick: 'man fall down'
At the end: I learned something and I'm so glad for learning to understand an angle of the joke apart from its slapstick that I wouldn't have realized if it weren't for you or other FFXIV lore youtubers! On my end, the slapstick worked for me partly because I thought about how the animators use a play-dough like approach to Hildibrand as a test bed for what they can do for the main story or other animated cutscenes (and that I'm easily amused). Thank you for the video!
There's definitely a GMod style approach to the animation that I respect, even if I don't think carries the joke by itself.
THAT MAN HAS SO MANY VERTICES, I LOVE HIM
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Despite being a known Hildibrand Enjoyer (though not Hildibrand Defender, because as you've mentioned, there's just some situations where it just plain will not land and trying to force it for someone who doesn't get it will only make it worse) I really enjoyed your take on these quests. Unrelated, one of these days, I will get you into Lupin III.
...no that wasn't unrelated at all, come to think of it.
I do love Brandihild's whole Virtua Fighter aesthetic--and that they went for a Virtua Fighter aesthetic at all, which is pretty rare but works perfectly for the character. It's sort of innocently uncanny--something's wrong, he's not quite human, but it's done in a way that's not creepy or horrifying.
...until I start thinking about what it would be like to touch the guy. He looks like he should feel like plastic, but I could also see all the textures actually being right, but it's put together all wrong, and that's WAY worse.
as a hildibrand enjoyer, i totally understand where you're coming from in not liking it. the fact that nashu's stalker joke is STILL GOING in the year of our lord 2024 makes me feel insane. why is he still here. get him out of here. regardless, i really appreciate you dissecting this joke because it did kind of go over my head a little bit tbh? like, i thought the reveal that actually, no, they're not descended from aliens was the funniest shit but the fact that the larger joke was about lore dumps in ffxiv just went right past me. anyways, im glad you did find some part of hildibrand funny!
The thing that made me realize it was a lore dump joke was watching lore nerds try to dissect it LIKE it was a real lore dump and not realizing how insane that is.
18:00 If Vanhudi’s scheme is supposed to be a joke about gold farming, I didn’t even notice, considering it’s exactly the same thing that both Fandaniel and the Allagans did unironically (holding people in stasis to use them as faith batteries). I found that part really odd.
Yeah, it's one of those jokes where I hear it spelled out and go 'okay I see it'--he's literally just spawning a giant pile of exact copies of himself for no clear reason beyond 'but profit'--but it's not really sold enough for me to get it by itself. Might be intentional, might not be.
Endwalker was the only one that made me laugh. As Ive told a friend, it literally did not click for me until then. And for the love of goodness, I could not understand why this installation hit the sweet spot for me. Cannot wait to hear your insight!
Pausing the video to comment about how fascinating it is that your opinion about real life vs animated physical comedy is the literal exact opposite of mine! Real life physical comedy has never translated for me into humor because I know it's actual people, and because I know that if a real person was actually experiencing, say, what Mr. Bean goes through on a normal afternoon, they would be incredibly seriously harmed - and since they aren't, it's all very uncanny and strange. Animated comedy is the exact opposite because, given that it's all fake anyway and happening in an implicitly representational medium, it's no great leap to go from "anime isn't real but I like it" to "hahaha anime man fall down, nice." I've never heard an explanation before about why real life physical comedy/stuntwork could work for someone more than cartoon stuff, that's such a cool thing to encounter! (Though I'll note that personally Hildebrand doesn't do it for me and never really has 🤷🏻♀️)
There's definitely sort of a crossover between physical comedy and cringe comedy that I'm with you on; 'this is a real person' is a benefit when the joke is about the immediate physcality, and a detriment when the joke is about the more long-term effects of it.
I always found Endwalker funny (sans Ultros but this I had expected since whenever he cameos all he is to the devs is a man hating perverted octopus) yet Endwalker did hit the hardest. It ran with its absurdity and even some of the dialogue was funny. That choice where we get to make an excuse about our money problems because we bought a copy of Return to Oblivion is so real especially since it’s STILL one of the most expensive orchestrion rolls to buy in the marketboard.
That's a REALLY good line, and was going to be my example for a joke about the gamr itaelf before I realized the fake boss intro played better.
But I'd argue Ultros actually isn't always a pervert! When World of Final Fantasy used him it was for a take on the opera scene, when FFXIII-2 it was an extended double act with Typhon. It's only XIV where they just go full pervert.
I wasn't ob board with Hildibrand at first. The japanese tradition on holde on a strong exaggerated pose never landed for me, even though I get that it's rooted in their theatrical traditions. What eventually won me over was Greg, for what ever reason most of his gags have just always landed for me, and when he's no there, theres usually some good pulp story to fall back on.
As for this set, and this joke in particular, I loved it, especially with how it ties into the relic quest(say what you will about the process, thats not important here). Making this lore dump mandatory for the relic basically casts all the folks doing this just for the shiny toy or the best in slot weapon, are the dead pan elephants, just taking this all in and being so done with it. It would have made it all the better if halfway through the trial they pulled a Yojimbo and turned it into another comedy fight.
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Even if I'm moving away from being on-camera for most of the video (it's just easier to produce), I had to retain the intros and outros, just to make sure people see who I am and what I'm proud of.
I've never been one to get offended by jokes, so on that front I don't think Hildibrand necessarily fails. For me it fails because it essentially uses one type of joke for the entirety of the duration. Sure, it was funny for the first few quests I did, but it stopped being funny after I realized that's all there really was. It's a style of comedy that I can only really enjoy in small bursts every now and then. The relic weapons being tied to these just gave me an excuse to speedrun.
Yeah, I didn't mention it because it's sorta besides the point, but a relic storyline isn't the best place for Hildibrand. You have to be in the mood for him even when he's hitting, and tying him to material rewards like that... kinda doesn't.
If you're gonna give him some kind of content tentpole, he'd be better in a tribe quest or the restoration/island sanctuary-style relaxation content; something you won't feel the need to rush. And incidentally, I think tribe quests are where most of the game's good comedy is.
@@EinDose A Hildy tribal quest is an interesting idea. Maybe combine him with another group and use the crew as comedy relief but not the focus of the storyline. You could still do small side quest chains, but that would put them into the world a bit more and give them a chance to shine without being overbearing.
Quick note, you made a video some time ago about Eorzea's politics and I think there's a particular issue I take with the politics and Hildibrand quests. Godbert's lack of involvement in any of the storyline aside from these quests is something I don't think works from an immersion perspective. For someone who owns the Gold Saucer and is a leading figure in Ul'Dah, it would make sense for him to be a bit more active in the Syndicate and the overall changes that have happened and are happening in Eorzea.
@@someoneelse7287 He broadly is, he's just off-screen for most of it. I think in that he suffers from not quite being the best guy for the job in any 'Syndicate issue' scenes; you want a friendly face you go to Raubahn or Pipin, you want someone who provides more pushback you go to Lolorito.
I respect your opinion, but getting offendet by ultros..and wanting to defent him is kind of weird.
Ultros deserves better than being reduced to his worst joke.