Top 10 Extinct American Electric Locomotives
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2022
- As a sequel to the highly successful Extinct American Diesel Locomotive List, I am covering some of the greatest electric locomotives from the U.S. which served a wide variety of railroads. Thank you all for your support from the original list, as your requests have now been answered with this video.
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I remember the P-2’s as they passed through the station. What magnificent BRUTES! They could pull anything and when they came through, ‘the station would rumble and vibrate!’
As an electric locomotive fan, I appreciate this list. Good job!
It's amazing over the years as technology improved, you have electric locomotives today only weighing 85 tons with an output of 8,700 hp, like the Siemens Taurus and the Vectron.
ACS-64
acs64 is sharing a lot of parts with the taurus/vectron@@carltonkeys6205
I see a great idea for a Mr incredible becoming canny POV: this gets into preservation.
Thats actually a pretty good idea
The early boxcab locomotives with jackshaft drives would have been equally at home in Germanyt, Switzerland and Austria.
This is the only railfan channel with good info. Great stuff.
My favorites not mentioned are the electric locomotives that Canadian National owned. The Z4A boxcab and Z5A steeplecab have no examples surviving, but the Z1A boxcab has 3 examples preserved interestingly.
Yea i saw 6710 and 6711. Initially a 4th was sidelined 6714 but the city of mount royal failed to find a spot.
Those Z-5-a's are some sexy beasts.
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GREAT RESEARCH BRO!!! Loved the pictures and indepth explanations. I'm not a train pro or rail nut, but I like trains. We rode trains all the time back in the USSR when I was a kid back in 1990, 91, 92, 93 , and again in 1998 when we went back to visit to now independent country of Moldova. I love riding the train at night.
Note on the P motor - because it could get stuck between third rail sections when it got stopped on the switches in GCT, it had a small pantograph mounted that could make contact with an overhead "third rail" so that it would not block all service.
I think the early Pennsy electrics had that feature too when they ran on the 3rd rail before being replaced by overhead wires.
very glad to see the North Shore Line is on here
One electric locomotive that even more rare than all you presented, and that is a locomotives that was used in the old Cascade tunnel operations. This was a three phase locomotives in which there where two trolley wires for phase one and phase two. Phase three was the track. Power was derived from a corner grounded delta system of 25 HZ @ 6,600 volts. It was complicated switching through yards. It had trolley poles instead of pantograph. There was one other similar system used in Italy. .
However that was an excellent presentation. I,m very much of an advocate/activist in railroad electrification.
I,ve been a licensed electrician since 1972. I,m still working full time as a night duty electrician for Boston Mass MBTA/KEOLIS commuter services. I,M IN THE B & B department taking care of facilities/ on track switch heaters etc.
Miss Paula Walach- former industrial electrician- union member IBEW
More info on the N&W and Virginian Electrics from Herron Rail Video's Pocahontas Glory Volume 6:
The N&W electrification line was 56 miles (90 km) from Iaeger to Bluefield, WV from 1914 to 1950. The system used a 11,000 volt 25 cycle alternating current from a powerplant in Bluestone, WV. Even though the electrics hauled the eastbound coal and returning westbound empties, steam power was still employed to move westbound coal to the Pennsy for export along their Sandusky Line and bring those empties back. Passenger trains remained steam hauled unless they needed help. The Virginian electrification came alive in 1925 but was scrapped in 1962 after the 1959 merger with the N&W which was both ancient and modern but operated on an antique system. In the book The Virginian Railway by the late H. Reed, he described a contest staged in the earlier days of electrification on the Virginian. A 6,000 ton coal train was run over Clark's Gap with a 2-8-8-2 on the point and assisted by a pair of 2-10-10-2's on the rear. Within a 15 minute start, the steam train was passed by an identical consist under the care of 3 EL-3A's and 1 pusher. The steam train did 7 mph while the electrics did 14 mph over the 2% grade and the electrics were halted on that same grade, then restarted and reached their speed again within 3 minutes.
Thank you for including my favorite locomotive, New Haven’s EP-5. I grew up near New Haven and rode into New York behind EP-5s as a child. I still have electric trains from my childhood and my collection includes 2 EP-5s.
I'm a train and I approve this video choo choo!
In the history of Standard Gauge Toy Trains, The Locomotive of Dorfan's 3930 Crocodile was loosely model after the PRR's L-5
According to the Wikipedia articles about the Great Northern W-1 and the Union Pacific gas turbine electric locomotives, before being scrapped, W-1 #5018 was sold to the Union Pacific, and converted into the B unit of their unsuccessful coal-fired gas turbine locomotive #80 (later #8080).
Good choice for that last one, they were some smart looking motors. I really like the looks of the EP5 too. It really has that '55 look to it that you see in a lot of classic cars from the same era.
So glad you touched on the B&O tunnel motors, which were indeed the world's first mainline electric locomotive.
rather sadly number 2 was dragged out of the scrap line, dressed up as number 1, put on display and paraded for the centennial, then immediately afterwards put back and scrapped.
another loco you could possibly have mentioned would have been the second set of B&O motors, not necessarily for its railroad value, but more as the basis for lionel's first locomotive model, and as that, the first model of an electric locomotive in the world (C&F being a mining engine, the earlier carette being a trolley, and the earliest of course being a replica steam loco, the toy being made before trolleys had been invented).
great video still :)
15:43 I have that Trains Magazine issue
Enjoyed this very much. If I may, where I live in the South, I would like to add another electric railroad: the Piedmont & Northern Railway which had two unconnected divisions in North and South Carolina. They home built their largest freight electric locomotives (except for one they ordered from GE) at their River Shops in Greenville, South Carolina and were the 4 truck B+B+B+B type with a long boxy carbody.
Sadly, none were preserved, but one small switcher is now preserved at Spencer Shops in North Carolina.
The GM6C and GM10B would have great potential overseas in europe and asia where most of their fleets are electric locos, anyways this vifeo was great and very informative
3:55 The very tunnel built so big to accomodate with N&W anticipated 'Steam Future' where a newer and bigger Mallets will be built and used there.
According to the Wikipedia article about New York Central R Motors (not appearing here), the New York Central P Motors (appearing here) had their old parts saved from the conversion from 3000 V DC to 660 V DC, and these parts went into the R Motors when the New York Central sold them to the Chicago, South Shore and South Bend Railroad, which had 1500 V DC electrification. (This works, because as far as I have read, all 3000 V DC electrification of the time, at least in the US, actually used 1500 V DC motors in permanent series -- change the permanent series wiring to allow full parallel operation, and you're good to go. The same thing was done with the subset of General Electric 3000 V DC "Little Joe" electric locomotives that went to the Chicago, South Shore and South Bend Railroad after their export to the Soviet Union was forbidden.)
Excellent video highlighting these extinct American electric locomotives! Well done!
Excellent job 👏
You have a knack for being thorough in detail yet still keeping things interesting.
Great job on this! Really enjoyed it. Made me laugh when you brought up the Swiss Crocadile, was thinking how similar they looked. I know its been done to death but I think wed all like to see you do a top ten extinct Steam loco video.
Personally my top ten would be
10. SP/T&NO Streamlined Pacifics
9. DRGW Challengers
8. N&W Streamlined Mountains
7. DBR Class 06
6. LNER U-1
5. CP 0-6-6-0 Articulateds
4. D&H Northerns
3. LNER W1 "Hush Hush"
2. SP GS-1
1. WP Challengers
25:17,
Big Boy: You dare oppose me GN?!
ALCO: You dare oppose me GE?!
Wow, I have often wondered what ever happened to the CUT engines I saw so often when I was a small boy and my dad would take me to the Lindale terminal to watch trains arriving from points west.
For once I heartily agree as to who is #1. Thanks. ;-)
Nice video on U.S. electric locomotives that weren't saved. Thanks for sharing! Don't overlook the fact that American Flyer made a nice "S" gauge version of the EP-5 that was more accurate than the Lionel version as the Flyer model had three axles per truck like the real thing and had better scale dimensions as well. One last minor thing, as a former Iowan I have to point out that the "s" in the word Moines (Ft. Dodge, Des Moine(s) and Southern) is silent.
The GG 1 should have been number one, it was the most versatile, hauling equally as well for passenger and freight service, the most reliable and used and familiar by far, and the longest lasting, and successful
Thank you for your suggestion. However, this video covers engines with no surviving members, and thankfully the GG1 is well preserved.
@@Pensyfan19 ok
I disagree with your definition of extinct. I think a locomotive is extinct if it is withdrawn from service and is permently inoperable. This would include the GG1....while it is true that examples are scattered around the country all of its electrical gear has been removed (remember the PCP scandal) leaving only its outer shell which may or may not be rusting away.
@@huskerhank9896so in that case the Dodo bird is not extinct, because we have the bones.
@@huskerhank9896...😅
Ngl kinda sad that the Milwaukee road EF-2 boxcab didn’t make it along with the little joe
Thankfully Baldwin-Westinghouse steeple cab electric locomotives aren't extinct. There are still four alive and well, still hauling freight for Iowa Traction, as the last original interurban line still in operation using electric locomotives.
Lovely to see these old electric engines! 15:13 If only they had gone ahead with the plan, things would be much more advanced today, but they can still start. It takes a federal program for that as it does not make sense to electrify short stretches; train lines should be electric end to end.
13:43 that thing
That-
Thing-
(Doesn't sleep for 20 years)
That geep with the Pantograph is very interesting!
I need this
Thank you for makeing this like the top 10
Extinct diesal locos
Well now you HAVE to do top ten extinct steam locomotives
Many channels already have videos on that topic, and I tend not to cover the same topics that other channels already have videos on.
Thanks for sharing this. CHEERS from New Jersey USA 🇺🇸
Thanks for his one: most comprehensive .
One unfortunate thing to note is that all of the Great Northern and New Haven electric locomotives were scrapped.
Very interesting. As a Great Northern fan, I would like to have seen more on the W class, but the information on the Y and Z classes was good.
Awesome video, very informative 👏👍👌😀 really injoyed it.
I'm already excited because I see the EMD GM10B! Which I asked you to talk about in a video a few months ago!
Now I just want to know your top 10 extinct steamers list just cause these two videos have been so interesting
I don't think I'll do a video on that topic since there are so many of them, and I tend not to cover topics already covered by other channels.
@@Pensyfan19 Yeah, but I just love the way you find your picks. I find you lists interesting
Even though they also were not Class 1's, you could've included the Piedmont and Northern units as well as the South Shore Line's boxcabs and steeple cabs.
wow this video is cool!
Speaking of EMD GM6C had it been in production and prototype preserved. There would have been orders from for it from the former Yugoslavia since they also use EMD GM Locomotives derived from UP CSX ( Chessie system clinchfield Railroad) and Norfolk Southern 1970s name Norfolk & Western SD40-2s in addition to the Yugoslav Class 363 Locomotives which is derived from Amtrak X995 CC6500 Nez Casse. EMD GM should have preserved GM6C & GM10B locomotives.
Very interesting! I heard of the Southern Pacific being interested in the GM10B but not other nations like Yugoslavia.
Wow what a great video for my day. Never thought about extinct electric locomotives
*They should have preserved a new haven ep-3, ep-4 and ep-5. They are very nice electric locomotives*
Another note, some of the "extinct" locomotives do or did exist by various overseas railroads. Albeit modifications to that nation. PRR E3b - RENFE 278 - Dutch Railways has a version of the NH Jets. Check them out, interesting.
You are correct the Dutch Railways version is NS 1200 for E3b PRR. Back in the day when they were operational you would find them at border stations with West Germany that are electrified Bad Bentheim Venlo and Emmerich am Rhein Hollandstrecke Duisburg Utrecht line
I have NEVER been a electric railfan. Railroad motive power used out of the U.S. are ugly so funky looking and buffers on cars are amusing. However I found this super informative after waking up at 2:30 in the morning. I’ve seen one gg1 in a musuem but I think I’ve seen another, beyond that I don’t think I’ve ever even seen any preserved electrics in musuems.
An excellent video. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. 💙 T.E.N.
Great video, very interesting for sure!
GOOD JOB ILIKE. THANK YOU
Pennsyfan: makes a top 10 for extinct American electric locomotives and another for extinct American diesel locomotives.
Me, who made a top 10 each for long lost steam locomotive classmates, another for preservatives steam locomotives involved in wrecks, now working on a top 10 for American steam locomotive designs bought by multiple railroads: “Looks like we got competition, from a more modern form of motive power.”
Don't worry. I won't make any steam lists to rival you
Ah I was actually going to make something like this too, though this is probably better than anything I will ever make
While this is a reasonable video, I do not agree with your synopsis. The EL2b was the Virginian primary electric locomotive and clearly one of the most elegant designs in the world, hence, it should have really been in the top 5, Notwithstanding, the EL3A should have also been on your list. Although the New Haven EP5s were mentioned, the more elegant EP4s and EF3s weren't mentioned. In all honesty I would have placed the Great Northern W1, New Haven EP5, EP4/EF3 and the Virginian EL2b in the top 5. The No. 1 position of the P Motor is debatable but plausable, but I'm not sure that the Oregon machine or the PRR L5 were significant enough to qualify as a top 10. Being a Pennsy fan I'm surprised you didn't mention the E3b type. Anyway, all the best.
Thank you for your suggestions. I chose the Oregon electric in order to give proper recognition to the hundreds of electric interurban Railways that once roamed the nation.
Your videos are the best I enjoy I'm specially the extinct Steam locomotive & diesel series and glad to see you're doing something with electrics and keep doing your your best your videos as I said are the great
I was the only one who did a extinct diesel list, but I haven't done any steam lists since there are so many of them, and I don't make videos on topics covered by other channels.
The boxcab locomotive is unique because it had these pistons on the wheels.
4:12 that legit scared me
Had many mid west and western railroads converted some of their routes to electric operations, chances are all these electric engines would have been built in greater quantities.
Excellent film, thanks!
I wish you could have mentioned the FF-1, nicknamed "Big Liz". It was an electric Pennsy side-rodder. It had a 1CC1 wheel arrangement. Its length was 76 and a half feet and its weight was 258 tons. What led to its downfall was its high horsepower, around 7000, too much for 1917 operations. But your description of extinct electrics was quite interesting.🙂
Why not a modernized version of the GM10B? This beast with 3 b radial trucks, ac mother’s and about 12k continuous hp would be awesome, potentially replacing 3 dc 4000 to 4400 hp locos on a train. Most trains could be handled by one of these electric engines.
Sorry, I meant AC motors.
Like trolleys and buses, we had electrified lines. Then they were all scrapped or sent to museums. Now, they want to go back to electrification. Batteries will not cut it. Build it, scrap it. Build it, scrap it. Build it, scrap it. Build it, scrap it.
25:18 it’s worth mentioning that one of these W1 built for the great northern engine 5018 would be acquired by Union Pacific for the coal turbine locomotive project the a unit would be built from an Alco PA the B unit was great northern electric number 5018 and the tender came from challenger 3590 it was first tested with a conventional low-grade fuel however when they started to use pulverize coal the test failed as the soot dirtied up the fans of the turban locomotive as this turban for only either six or nine months
Since I am extremely interested un electric locomotives, I found this documentary fascinating. I would love to see one on traction company steeple cabs and boxcab units. Many thanks!
I would love to see the N&W Class LC-1.
Do top 10 extinct passenger train sets
Great video, thanks.
I don't know if it was just because components were more bulky back then, but considering that diesel-electrics generate power which run electric motors, it's bizarre to me that makers of full electrics seemed to go out of their way to make them look different, including huge "porches" of sub-frames sticking out on each end, distinctly separated carbody and driving gear sections, and wacky steam locomotive-like fixed driving wheels. Surely a normal EMD E unit design could have had its prime mover replaced with electrical equipment and been just as useful. /shrug/
That's because many of the electric locomotives were made before the EMD E and F units caught on. Most of the later electric locomotives (before foreign manufacturers took over, and including some in this video) had diesel styling.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Tha's right. The New Haven EP-5 for instance had styling similar to diesels of the era.
@@apolofeve . . . And it wasn't the only one in the video. (By the way, I should also point out that some very early diesels, made before the E and F units hit the market, had pre-diesel boxcab styles.)
The engineering and science were not there. They still believed that you needed things like unpowered guide wheels to help stabilize the locomotive at speed, like a steam locomotive, and some railroads had sharp curves that required an articulated chassis, almost like the Union Pacific Big Boy steam locomotives, and the many different siderod and motor drive combinations are really incredible, but you are right, they took the styling to a whole different level, mostly, I think, so that their locomotives would look different from their competitor's product. 💙 T.E.N.
@@tracynation2820 With regard to the unpowered guide wheels, this was because they didn't know how to make a suspension that wouldn't hunt (develop horizontal oscillations) above low speeds on bogies with heavy motors mounted on them. This was a problem with some early electric locomotives and with the earliest diesel locomotives (pre-E/F), and continues to be a problem to some extent even in modern times -- locomotives with 3 motors mounted on the bogies had this problem as late as the 1980s, notably the E60CP, SDP40F, and P30CH (and we'll have to see what happens when METRA gets their rebuilt SD70MAC locomotives). Of course, the best solution is not to add guide wheels, but to have an advanced suspension; it also helps to mount the motors on the locomotive frame, but that makes delivering the torque more complicated.
Wow
LC-1 already used the 1 to 3 phase rotary conwerter, that early (1914)?
Kandó must have been proud at that his engineering inventions kought atention early.
I agree. I worked on the GG-1 electrics in the 1970s. Designed by Raymond Lowey, and built by the Pennsylvania Railroad in Altoona, Pennsylvania. They raced along the Northeast Corridor since the mid 1930s until the early 1980s. I rode as a locomotive technician on them on fast passenger trains of up to 15 cars up to 100 mph. Two electrics could pull 150 freight cars effortlessly. You also didn’t mention the Virginian / New Haven E-33 and Pennsylvania E-44s. I worked on these electrics pulling heavy freights effortlessly fro New Jersey to Washington, D.C. All of the aforementioned were top of the line electrics in the East. Personally, I believe that the GG-1 was the most successful electrics in the United States. Paul Messina. 48 years in the industry.
Thank you for your insight! Since this video covers engines with no surviving members, the E33 and E44 are thankfully not included in this video based on the topic, as there is one surviving member of each class.
Funnily enough, one of the GN W1s were rebuilt as a B-unit for UP's failed coal turbine locomotive and was also scrapped.
In you honorable mentions you should have included the later GE E-33 E-44 and two version of the PRR P-5
Why would I include locomotives with preserved examples? This list goes over engines with no surviving examples.
Excellent locomotives of American Railroad.
Y-2A would have looked good in PRR colors with the cat's whiskers striping
good show
One that receives honorable mention-at least in theory-is the diesel-electric-electric FL-9 from New Haven.
True, but there are plenty of surviving FL9s. This video covers engines with no surviving members left.
The Top Hat Mercenary Confederation with their Railroad Companies all united under the Top Hat Rail Banner, They utilize lots of different kinds of locomotives.
They utilize Steam, Diesel, & Electric locomotives, and though all their locomotives are in revenue service, they do have the same environmental issues we face, and thus, they are perusing electrification.
Also, you said E3C when it’s E2C for the Pennsylvania Railroad.
Voice typo: Norfolk & Western LC-1 wheel arrangement is not 2-B-B-2, but 1-B-B-1 (in Whyte Notation, 2-4-4-2 as you said).
1 other electric you didn't mention you may not know about were from the Muskingum Electric Railroad in Ohio. They had 2, General Electric E50's. Only two were built only for that railroad. Check it out. similar to the E44's in appearance. Both were scrapped in the 90's after AEP was done mining coal in southern Ohio.
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The worst looking extinct locomotive is the B23Q-7
Epic
The Virginian box cabs didn’t make the list at all? Just a mention? Those things were absolute monsters in all categories.
Imo: the n&w electrics were sorta sus
Do the top 10 Extinct american steam engines next
the EP-5 and P motors better be on this list
edit: you are the biggest chad on youtube
I believe one of the P motors went to Amtrak for tunnel maintenance trains to Penn Station as I saw one at Sunnyside Yards during the 70's
Actually it was a T motor that was used.
I used to see the GG1 at the sunny side yard...a slow moving beast!
The locomotive train put it together. The diesel train is Steve look on the DEF diesel, 191.
I will also do an Extinct Electric locomotive but it's Top 5 on my version and top 10 on your
Hold up pensy! There's still one surviving t motor left! It's in the new York area, abandoned and parked with an s2 electric!
True, but that is a T motor: a slightly smaller version of the P motor.
@@Pensyfan19 well either or it's a survivor and like the rock in SpongeBob it's in great shape besides the rust
S1, it's the first of class 6000/100. They're headed to Danbury. The Uboat and RS that were there, both in CR colors, will be scrapped in place.
The P Motor is literally just a unstreamlined GG-1 if I'm being honest
EP-3, GG-1 and P Motors essentially share a bogey design
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5:15 interesting that’s there 2 pantographs on the rear and one on the front
ngl the L5 looks like a american krokodil locomotive
OK didn't know that there had to be no survivers.
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These electric locomtives should have been oreserved, ALL OF THEM!!!...