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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2024
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Barry Harris has been saying simplify 2-5s to just 5s (in your soloing) because the 2 chord is just an extension of the 5 (5th, 7th, 9th, 11th)
Joe Pass says the same thing
If you look at sheet music piano parts pre-1928 and compare them to post-1928, you'll see that they generally put the 2min7 chord in the first half of what would have been the V7 chord. So if you would have had a measure of V7, you now have two beats of 2min7 and two of V7. So the 2 chord is, in fact, a sub for the first half of the 5 chord.
Except that the 2 chord is a minor 7th. whereas the 9ths , 11ths etc. are extensions of the dominant 7th.
@@davidreidenberg9941 its all part of the same mode!
Gypsy jazzers comping often just play the 5 instead of 2 5
The more I listen to these the happier I get! Thank you!
Ron Carter's bass in "I Fall in Love Too Easily" is so simple but there's a clarity and heaviness to it that it roots everything and you can feel it through your whole body.
Good day gentlemen. Thanks for showing us the good old days we once enjoyed and the tv shows music theme, that led us to per-sue music , you brought back those happy moments to my soul and make me long for those passed time again. Thanks a lot gentlemen. Steven
The thought that you guys can play them 80’s tv themes just blows me away…. :-)
i wish i could noodle that good. That's what separates the amateurs from the pros, higher noodle levels
This is hilarious but so true 😂😂😂
Listening to that Quantum Leap music brought back childhood memories and transported me to times gone by!
omg guys, u make my life so much better!
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you so so much for walking this 65 year old guy back down TV memory lane. I'll need about 4 years of practicing just to get started. This was so inspirational to me. I often think about what is missing in the music of today and what I grew up listening to. These songs were GREAT!!! This was a great glimpse into the world of jingles past. I'm doing a profit and loss statement right now, but I can't wait to start ordering your materials.
Please stay encouraged.
B-Y Your Electric Guy
You guys are overlooking the very best tv theme EVER- “The Price is Right”!
two nice guys talking about music. Thanks from France.
"Manchurian Candidate" (1962) was not withdrawn so much as it ran out its string in pre-video days; it continued to be shown in revival theaters as often as any of its contemporary releases. "Anchors Aweigh" is about sailors (Sinatra and Gene Kelly) on shore leave in Los Angeles. No buckles are swashed.
Poodles! Remind that cat that you are an improviser, with your words as well. Groovy guys!
The real book has served me well for fifty years. I bought mine in Boston when I started attending Berklee ( this was short lived as I wasn’t ready for music school) I was soon using the real book as a source for material for what would become my working band. To have a decent version of Peaches en Regalia was invaluable, even though my spelling is questionable.
Whoa ! the verse on What is this thing called Love ! kinda hip ? nah, SUPER HIP. The pedal on the A sec. is perfect for the lyrics and melody, it communicates the sentiment of the song 100%,
Adam--a real jazz scholar.
Wow.....great observation...You guys are just fabulous. Thanks
Your channel is great. We need more videos like this.
I think the last chord (in the recording´s key) before the tonic in Sinatra´s version of I fall in love too easily is a Db7#9 (guide notes plus an E Upper structure). Actually the harmonization you wrote is awesome too... Love you guys!
To "weigh anchor" is to bring it aboard a vessel in preparation for departure. The phrase "anchors aweigh" is a report that the anchors are clear of the sea bottom and, therefore, the ship is officially under way.
You guys are amazing!👍🏼
“Welcome back” is great too ! … and “Cheers” and “Mary Tyler Moore “ … for the softer side of 70’s TV themes : )
The verse is awesome!
Great info as always. The old sheet music with the intro, verse, and correct voicings … all right there in front of you … is a great resource… but so is the RealBook and iReal Pro. All are good basic starting points for a tune; then one must listen to the relevant versions/recordings for more advanced ideas and decision-making. Many of us here in our Buffalo music community have “collections” of real books to compare, decide, and so forth.
Fantastic ! This was just great ! Thank you ..
Are you gonna teach the pentatonic introduction to the show? It's pretty cool!
These old tunes are so well crafted that the original changes evoke the mood of the lyrics. They were not conceived as vehicles for improvisation. The 2 of the 2,5 was a charlie parker device to give interest to a held 5 chord in the improvised line. Came from trying to make the bridge of Cherokee more interesting.
Cannonball and crew were also hip to the Tonic pedal A section (C in their case) that Libby's 1930 arr has. Check out: "Quintet at the Lighthouse" (1960).
Fabulous Friday night viewing, while munching on fried chicken and drinking beers .. Thank you! .. Only theme missing was "Chico and the Man" ..
Shoutout from Raleigh! Just got done teaching and now to get my lesson in!
Yves Montand does a nice version of Autumn Leaves recorded live with an intro I’ve never heard, all in French, of course!
love this set up!
Question. With respect to Autumn Leaves, when you play the minor 7th. with a pedal, (in this case gm7C followed by a C7, ) that gm7 can be thought of as a C7 sus as opposed to a #2 chord.
This was a GREAT PODCAST!! Could you make a video where you show us how to voice a minor 2-5-1? To make it nice and full.....Could you do a video on Miles Davis’ “Tune Up”??
Great video! - with a big plus: We can learn how some of the highly hyped "jazzers" actually murdered orinigally well written songs. Of course it is often about crossing bordes, ignorin limitations... but this is at times a quite destructive notion, imho. It is the point where jazz started to be elitist and somewhat pretencious.
Pretentious like your "I'm better than jazz" opinion?
Nothing got "murdered".
Creative people are ADDING to the world of music. For the obvious enjoyment of others.
You must think you're the music police. Get over yourself.
Autumn Leaves was adapted by jazz musicians from French chanson and What Is This Thing was adapted by the composer from Central European music of Jewish origin with a rhythm akin to "rumba" - the latter was a really common Tin Pan Alley influence in the '30s and the former in the '50s. The original cadences to both were much more "flavoured" than the restless tidy bop era movement by fifths. Additionally, in those eras bridges tended to have a more expansive vocal with flatter less elaborated harmony. Of course, in AABA form the punch of the "story" comes in the B. Not a bad principle to bear in mind when structuring a solo in general...
The chord that Adam analyzes as G7b9/B at the end of "I Fall In Love Too Easily" might be better written as Bdim7 chord. The G in that chord is an allowable tension from the diminished scale, and that particular usage of a diminished chord replacing a 5 chord is probably typical for the way they thought of music theory in the 30s/40s.
Folks familiar with Barry Harris might recognize that diminished > tonic resolution as part of his system of elaborating the major scale with diminished chords... that's kind of a lost analytical art, but helps explain a lot of older chord choices that elicit a "?!?" from those of us that were trained in the chord/scale system.
40:30 omg what’s happening 😂😂😂
Yves Montand’s version used to be in the Caffe Trieste(North Beach, SanFrancisco) juke box back in the day, home of the Beat poets.
My favourite TV theme was Alice. I heard Christian McBride do it on a live radio broadcast, but he got the composer wrong when he announced it.
Could anybody explain to me how the G7(b9) in the Sinatra version of “I Fall in Love too Easily” functions? Is it a substitution for something else?
Definitely also a real book defender here! Still a super nice entry to learning standards :) comparing to originals is a later point for me!
Real talk, show themes songs may be 1 of the 1st signs that youre a musician. When youre sad that the theme song ends, you might be a musician.
Thx. Les feuilles mortes (autumn leaves) also have an interesting intro, if you interested, listen to Yves Montand.
Literally "The dead leaves".
The people who defend the Real Book are just people who grew up learning from it. I remember my first year post-secondary and having my jazz teachers tell me the book was wrong a LOT.
We need a Real Book deep dive into why it's wrong.
they've done a few before
@@jmarvins Oh cool! Haven't seen them anywhere yet.
I would so be down for an episode just about old tv themes.
I realize this post is a year old, but I have to tell you... I worked at a publishing house during a very bleak time in my life. We received all kinds of "stuff" through that portal. Occasionally, it would be something that we knew... and it would be weird on so many levels. BUT, if we tried to enhance or modify in ANY way, we would be reprimanded. I remember getting some recognizable tunes with highly (?? can you use highly and reduced in the same sentence?) reduced chord suggestions. All of this is to explain why real books might be terribly inefficient in some ways...
The second tune reminds me of Berthold Brecht and Kurt Weill - I know y'all must have a lengthy list of subject matters to tackle but have you, or would you do a show about their music and style?
🤣🤣 Peter Martin is hilarious!
You should add chapters to these videos. That will make it a lot easier to check important information.
I think they were doing more of a Tango Habanero thing than polka rhythm on the Libby song
Cole Porter wrote his own piano parts for the sheet music, so if you get the original music, you'll know what he intended.
10:30 for the start of the discussion.
the REAL discussion starts at 36:00
Sorry, you just brought that up!😊
Mr. Styne pronounced his first name "Julie" regardless of the spelling. / And if you like Jo Stafford singing "Autumn Leaves," here's another version you might ... like? (Yes, it's her, and "Jonathan" is her husband, Paul Weston.) ua-cam.com/video/fAksIJZWLYY/v-deo.html
3:29 Peter boutta play deacon blues
Poodles it is!!! that's the name of my dog
I Fall in Love , Chet Baker's cool cool cool.
Here’s why it’s gratifying to move away from ii7: the minor two was never the full incarnation of the predominant sound anyway. DOMINANT twos are. Non-diatonic, but more complete in their motion both coming from a 6 and going to a 5. 2 minor doesn’t even feel like 2, it feels like a miniature modulation to that minor key, quickly passed by for function only. That’s probably why the fixation on Dorian in the cool jazz ish era. Now all the songs were being written with ii7 overtaking II7, and people fixated on that sound as a tonic.
No one is wrong except those who insist only one way is right, or what's an arranger for?
How many Piano Tuners were there in 1960 ?
having the dominant function chord over a tonic petal is nothing new - bach did it in his toccata and fugue in d minor (that famously shocking chord C#o7/D); chopin did it in his ocean etude; etc
Yes, I immediately thought of Bach when listening to those function changes over tonic "pedal"...
whats the name of that song at the beginning of the video??
And how the hell can Peter figure out that flintstones concept so fast?….
I like the version by Hampton Hawes (What is this thing...)
Thanks so much for this. A lightbulb went off when I heard that fermata in the Jo Stafford version of Autumn Leaves. Think about the out chorus to the iconic Cannonball / Miles version. I always thought it was a real cool but kind of genius, random choice of Miles (assuredly, I thought) to land on that note and hold it like that. Now I realize that he probs heard the idea first here. What do you think? ua-cam.com/video/tguu4m38U78/v-deo.html
I'd say there's a more excellent way
His church music chords are like from 1980
Giving me MST3000 vibes
Sinatra , The Best there ever was.
martin is so funny
What is that intro song
Welcome Back Kotter theme!
Adam , with all due respect for all, tell Peter Martin he is being just annoying and disruptive on your show, you instead are doing great. I like your approach . BTW, since you like to listen to old “non 2-5 versions”, listen also to Sinatra’s version of Autumn Leaves - Capitol Years I think- and the strings’ reharm going to maj instead of min in the 6th bar of the last A section! Also a modest advice. No noodling and “poodling” and “listening partying”
at the end, it takes the professionality out of the videos. Keep on with your Open Studio interesting videos, though, you are doing great by yourself. (I am a jazz pianist as you guys but I do not have a podcast)
Hello guys, get a piano sound setting on those keyboards, thanks.
What am I even hearing? Is that slide guitar??? 21:36
Tremolo bar?
Manix and Perry Mason.
St Eles where
Jacob Collier won a Grammy ("BEST ARRANGEMENT, INSTRUMENTS AND VOCALS") for Flintstones: ua-cam.com/video/zua831utwMM/v-deo.html
#poodle
I think the G7b9 in I fall in love is a dom 7 substitute. Bb7 would approach the Eb7 sus. G7 is in the family of 4 dominants from Bb through the diminished relationship. Bb, Db, E, G all can swap about.
..i'm so happy you guys do not surf.. ;)..
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all time ha ha ha ha ha ! ??? what is this ??? and what for?
Guys…you are both very talented, have great personalities and seem very nice BUT, let me tell you a very famous Italian saying to illustrate my gripe: “Parlate poco, dite tanto” which means…..Speak little, say a LOT!
It took you 4 min. before you started to talk about your topic. Look, I want to learn your vast musical talent, NOT listen to your ribbing, self-deprecation, chatter, yadda yadda. We don’t care about that. I can’t dedicate 50 min to hear something you can explain in15 min-
Boy, sorry but you would be Soooo much better if you cut out the poor comedy. Sorry but…that’s my opinion