It's really the only thing that allows me to play high tiers as much as I do without trying to deliberately watch my SL balance or cherry pick my games.
100% agree, the sim economy and EC specific bugs/issues need to be addressed first before anything else is to be considered. There is obviously a ton of potential with the mode but to realise any of it we have to actually have the thing in a useable state first. Other then that the sim community really needs to get a person to serve as a proper point of contact with the devs, something we havent had for YEARS - granted that would actually require a dev to be working on EC and sim in the first place which obviously we also need lmao. But if we could just get those bare essentials working WT sim could really be amazing, and from there easily establish itself as a seriously strong competitor in the flight sim genre.
We've constantly seen examples of content creators giving good advice but Gaijin constantly ignores it. Pretty sure Defyn did it recently and if they arent gonna listen to one of the most experienced and best RB players in the history of this dumpster fire, then everyone else is hopeless. Unless Aero Turtle steps up of course.
Current economy means that, the more you die, the more you get punished by spawn costs if you want to keep playing. Oh, you are flying a worse plane than your opponent? Do you have worse tools (like avionics and missiles) than your opponent? Prepare to die more often and not have fun. The economy just cannot retain any players who want to dip their toes into the gamemode, unless they are fucking insane sweatlords with millions of SL to spare.
Yeah and if you aren't as good as the sweats and die the first couple times you can't make your money back even if you get like 1 or 2 kills each life and get a 1to1 kill ratio.
I think the economy issues could be fixed if the sim repair costs were like, 2/3 of what they currently are. But we need to also disincentivise the sewerslide airfield rocketing bots too. There was a recent rocket damage nerf but i don't know if it fixes that particular airfield module mission score exploit
The idea that gaijin is going to listen to anyone and actually make their game less shit is the real fantasy, everything else is just a community circle jerk.
They have made their game slightly less shit over the past year because of the players union thing and they did reduce multi-pathing which was basically a community suggestion. Yes the multipath change is dogshit and has played out the way a lot of people warned about...but that's what people wanted.
Player controlled tanks in EC.... yeah I wanna drive 20km on a super low res map without detail to play as a moving target for cas. What is this, IL2 Tank Crew?
Good video. I've been helping Wing and Krab with their onboarding into DCS. I don't agree with DCS players who argue that the good DCS experience is slinging spamraam in Growling Sidewinder. There are plenty of other parts of DCS that are worth pursuing outside of 4th gen air quake, and many servers worth looking into. Of the four main combat flight sims, they all offer pro's and con's. As a IRL pilot within GA, I've always enjoyed the flight model of DCS and that the "grind" is mastering any given module, most of which are high fidelity. The WT Sim EC economy is the biggest drag for many players, as well as the dev's refusal to listen to EC veterans who KNOW what they're talking about. We've needed IADS, TDL, SEAD and DEAD elements, and a revamp of the economy for way too long in EC. Going into 4th gen air combat without proper SAM nets and no datalink is frustrating from a simulation perspective. Regardless, if you have any interest in looking at the DCS side, feel free to reach out. Solid video, I'm staying pessimistic about the priority list given the Snail's precedent of not listening to its playerbase. We will see.
13:00 even the cl13 bombers and surveillance planes spawn in doing mach jesus at 3km. And on the high alt maps life afghanistan, they absolutely plough into mountains robbing players of tickets and mission points/sl/rp. There are so many things wrong with the game that make every single match an absolute slog to grind through, how did "please add IRCCM sam-site-larping helicopters" make it top of the list? :(
100%. sim economy is completely ridiculous. it goes without saying that removing the useful actions system and fixing the spawn costs should be #1 priority. i really think we should get rb ec mode. if we were, lots of people have wanted that mode for years and i think the economy issue would be addressed immediately. otherwise sim will simply never get the numbers to impact gaijin enough to make positive change. gaijin really is frustrating to deal with. such an awful dogshit company. they make more than the yearly budget of star citizen and have an order of magnitude less developers. there is simply no excuse for the current state of sim, or really any of the other gamemodes that have gone unchanged for over a decade, to even more importantly the dogshit performance issues that have become a problem in the last year.
7:47 that’s because the main gamemode is RB and they really don’t want player base to spread which would force em to spend much more money into SB so they won’t make SB as profitable as RB unless they mess up with RB and players start moving into SB (which is happening rn, 10v10+ lobbies were as rare as good players in em before last update and rn it’s possible to find lobbies that aren’t 1000000v100000 only during the night)
I'd like them to bring back RB EC. There are players who want to play EC but don't want to play in first person view with sim controls. As half-baked as EC is, it's still more fleshed out than air RB where they just throw a big barrel of players into a phonebooth to knife fight to the death.
Everyone wants RB EC back but it's going to have the same issues as SB EC but even amplified. Imagine a nice bright red marker and shared spotting so that it's very obvious when you spawn on your airfield.
He is still effectively a WarThunder newb so everything is still new and exciting to him and the flaws aren't as glaringly obvious. Plus he is coming from a different game with its own set of flaws...so new dogshit seems better than old dogshit.
@@squishface80085That's why I've seen so many DCS players go to War Thunder sim trying to abandon DCS, but honestly it's just two different games and two different options, having played WT extensively, and DCS has it's glaring issues I just fly in DCS when I want to play some sort of realistic battlefield, while WT for me is just for the Flogger sim, I love the Flogger, and I'm devastated that it's delayed indefinitely in DCS TL;DR: For me WT is a different flavor of DCS, just like DCS is a different flavor of WT, so none are better than the other imo
@@sealboyy6584Need to set a keybind for changing the cockpit sight. MiG-29, Yak-141 and Su-27 you have to swap to the funnel sight then get a radar lock and once close it’ll switch to the cross lead indicator
@@MrRobschnieder Thank you my man, really needed it, now dogfights are gonna be much more enjoyable! Tho, the MiG-23 still doesn't have a lead indicator... (It should)
it might be bacause im playing in vr but planes are popping in and out right in front of me, mid to long distance will disappear if i look away to check for other targets even while i watch them, it happens from time to time. it makes me feel like i have to hyper focus on one person so if they disappear ill have a rough idea where they are going. then terrain despawning and you can only seeing clouds. or the radar losing a target and splitting into two...
I knew as soon as I saw the list and who was heading it, it wasn't going to be worth reading. Guess I was right. And of course it's going to get a bunch of traction in the community because people get blinded by feature creep, and then get completely ignored by the dev.
what if ai gunners had a area thresh hold around the target, aiming at you but "guessing" where you might go. its kinda easy to trick it by bobbing up and down. and as for taking control of the gunners and holding down the trigger, the guns would over heat right?
Sim Matches are PACKED rn with Russian and Chinese grinders (it’s tough 😂) I feel like I’m seeing WarThunder at its Max and Maxed immersion…but of course there’s a but, we need better rewards the set time award system needs attention or more payout for PvP kills I feel like it would keep the “Communist” player base playing 😂
@squishface80085 I wouldn't know. I only play US. I dabble in other countries, but not often. I like to ground pound in the a10. But the maverick cameras are broken. Just another bug to add to sim, I guess. I've been considering taking up WW2 sim.
I seriously don’t understand the economy rant a lot of people have…I play SIM exclusively, and am by no means the best player ever…but that said I always earn silver playing 12.7 and up, and rarely ever loose silver…granted who doesn’t want more silver and RP, but to hang your hat on saying it’s the biggest issue I find hard to believe
You barely make any money compared to playing RB, even when going 3.5:1 or higher. I had a 23 kill, 4 death match in the flanker, and I didn't even get 250k after almost three hours. That's horrible. I could make almost triple that in rb. And I had prem
@@detoi4371 I can see your point, that other game modes might be more efficient considering time spent to rewards in game…but to say that everyone just bleeds silver in SIM and is forced to play other games modes just to be able to spawn in SIM I find hard to believe
@@_Skitter I do play with premium account, and I have premium jets yes…but I do not solely rely on premium aircraft though…currently flying mig29 and su27sm depending on br bracket
You may be a lot better than the average than you even realise yourself. The average player likely runs a 0.5 kd(or lower). Thats gonna be 0 sl every match until they quit back to air rb.
Man, premium time is a must for enjoying sim without worrying about money if you are decent. Such a shame...
It's really the only thing that allows me to play high tiers as much as I do without trying to deliberately watch my SL balance or cherry pick my games.
I love feeling like I need to pay to play this game like it’s a fucking W.O.W subscription
100% agree, the sim economy and EC specific bugs/issues need to be addressed first before anything else is to be considered. There is obviously a ton of potential with the mode but to realise any of it we have to actually have the thing in a useable state first. Other then that the sim community really needs to get a person to serve as a proper point of contact with the devs, something we havent had for YEARS - granted that would actually require a dev to be working on EC and sim in the first place which obviously we also need lmao. But if we could just get those bare essentials working WT sim could really be amazing, and from there easily establish itself as a seriously strong competitor in the flight sim genre.
We've constantly seen examples of content creators giving good advice but Gaijin constantly ignores it. Pretty sure Defyn did it recently and if they arent gonna listen to one of the most experienced and best RB players in the history of this dumpster fire, then everyone else is hopeless. Unless Aero Turtle steps up of course.
Aeroturtle should not be allowed to make suggestions.
“for playstation and then computer” 😂 the way you said that was funny to me
Current economy means that, the more you die, the more you get punished by spawn costs if you want to keep playing.
Oh, you are flying a worse plane than your opponent? Do you have worse tools (like avionics and missiles) than your opponent? Prepare to die more often and not have fun.
The economy just cannot retain any players who want to dip their toes into the gamemode, unless they are fucking insane sweatlords with millions of SL to spare.
^Lol, furry named "Ikumu." Really weird stuff.
Yeah and if you aren't as good as the sweats and die the first couple times you can't make your money back even if you get like 1 or 2 kills each life and get a 1to1 kill ratio.
I think the economy issues could be fixed if the sim repair costs were like, 2/3 of what they currently are.
But we need to also disincentivise the sewerslide airfield rocketing bots too. There was a recent rocket damage nerf but i don't know if it fixes that particular airfield module mission score exploit
As always, a solid take from the beer man
The idea that gaijin is going to listen to anyone and actually make their game less shit is the real fantasy, everything else is just a community circle jerk.
They have made their game slightly less shit over the past year because of the players union thing and they did reduce multi-pathing which was basically a community suggestion.
Yes the multipath change is dogshit and has played out the way a lot of people warned about...but that's what people wanted.
Player controlled tanks in EC.... yeah I wanna drive 20km on a super low res map without detail to play as a moving target for cas. What is this, IL2 Tank Crew?
ur so real for explaining radler to euros keep cooking mr squish
Good video. I've been helping Wing and Krab with their onboarding into DCS. I don't agree with DCS players who argue that the good DCS experience is slinging spamraam in Growling Sidewinder. There are plenty of other parts of DCS that are worth pursuing outside of 4th gen air quake, and many servers worth looking into. Of the four main combat flight sims, they all offer pro's and con's. As a IRL pilot within GA, I've always enjoyed the flight model of DCS and that the "grind" is mastering any given module, most of which are high fidelity. The WT Sim EC economy is the biggest drag for many players, as well as the dev's refusal to listen to EC veterans who KNOW what they're talking about. We've needed IADS, TDL, SEAD and DEAD elements, and a revamp of the economy for way too long in EC. Going into 4th gen air combat without proper SAM nets and no datalink is frustrating from a simulation perspective. Regardless, if you have any interest in looking at the DCS side, feel free to reach out. Solid video, I'm staying pessimistic about the priority list given the Snail's precedent of not listening to its playerbase. We will see.
i'm just here for the beer and chicken recommendations.
13:00 even the cl13 bombers and surveillance planes spawn in doing mach jesus at 3km.
And on the high alt maps life afghanistan, they absolutely plough into mountains robbing players of tickets and mission points/sl/rp.
There are so many things wrong with the game that make every single match an absolute slog to grind through, how did "please add IRCCM sam-site-larping helicopters" make it top of the list? :(
100%. sim economy is completely ridiculous. it goes without saying that removing the useful actions system and fixing the spawn costs should be #1 priority. i really think we should get rb ec mode. if we were, lots of people have wanted that mode for years and i think the economy issue would be addressed immediately. otherwise sim will simply never get the numbers to impact gaijin enough to make positive change. gaijin really is frustrating to deal with. such an awful dogshit company. they make more than the yearly budget of star citizen and have an order of magnitude less developers. there is simply no excuse for the current state of sim, or really any of the other gamemodes that have gone unchanged for over a decade, to even more importantly the dogshit performance issues that have become a problem in the last year.
man i love beer, maybe a bit too much
7:47 that’s because the main gamemode is RB and they really don’t want player base to spread which would force em to spend much more money into SB so they won’t make SB as profitable as RB unless they mess up with RB and players start moving into SB (which is happening rn, 10v10+ lobbies were as rare as good players in em before last update and rn it’s possible to find lobbies that aren’t 1000000v100000 only during the night)
I'd like them to bring back RB EC. There are players who want to play EC but don't want to play in first person view with sim controls. As half-baked as EC is, it's still more fleshed out than air RB where they just throw a big barrel of players into a phonebooth to knife fight to the death.
Everyone wants RB EC back but it's going to have the same issues as SB EC but even amplified. Imagine a nice bright red marker and shared spotting so that it's very obvious when you spawn on your airfield.
@@squishface80085 Maybe enough people would complain if it was in RB that they would fix Sim EC by acident
@@squishface80085 yeah but i think this is a good thing. more exposure means more attention on the mode and these issues are likely to be fixed.
Thx for the beer recommendation lol
kinda sucks that enigma is coming in from a pure gameplay, in a vehicle, mid match perspective and not looking at the game of WT as a whole
He is still effectively a WarThunder newb so everything is still new and exciting to him and the flaws aren't as glaringly obvious. Plus he is coming from a different game with its own set of flaws...so new dogshit seems better than old dogshit.
@@squishface80085That's why I've seen so many DCS players go to War Thunder sim trying to abandon DCS, but honestly it's just two different games and two different options, having played WT extensively, and DCS has it's glaring issues I just fly in DCS when I want to play some sort of realistic battlefield, while WT for me is just for the Flogger sim, I love the Flogger, and I'm devastated that it's delayed indefinitely in DCS
TL;DR: For me WT is a different flavor of DCS, just like DCS is a different flavor of WT, so none are better than the other imo
@@squishface80085Also could you pls tell me how you got the lead indicator in the HUD of the MiG-29, ig I'm just stupid cuz I can't realize
@@sealboyy6584Need to set a keybind for changing the cockpit sight. MiG-29, Yak-141 and Su-27 you have to swap to the funnel sight then get a radar lock and once close it’ll switch to the cross lead indicator
@@MrRobschnieder Thank you my man, really needed it, now dogfights are gonna be much more enjoyable! Tho, the MiG-23 still doesn't have a lead indicator... (It should)
it might be bacause im playing in vr but planes are popping in and out right in front of me, mid to long distance will disappear if i look away to check for other targets even while i watch them, it happens from time to time. it makes me feel like i have to hyper focus on one person so if they disappear ill have a rough idea where they are going. then terrain despawning and you can only seeing clouds. or the radar losing a target and splitting into two...
I knew as soon as I saw the list and who was heading it, it wasn't going to be worth reading. Guess I was right. And of course it's going to get a bunch of traction in the community because people get blinded by feature creep, and then get completely ignored by the dev.
what if ai gunners had a area thresh hold around the target, aiming at you but "guessing" where you might go. its kinda easy to trick it by bobbing up and down. and as for taking control of the gunners and holding down the trigger, the guns would over heat right?
oh yeah on root beer note, Pepto Bismol is exactly like root beer but it tastes like shit
Methyl salicylate 🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣
14:49 i guess tjats qhy they remoced you from seeing he list: their fragile egos
preach !!
It’s insane the potential for war thunder sim. But yes it’s hot garbage now.
Sim Matches are PACKED rn with Russian and Chinese grinders (it’s tough 😂)
I feel like I’m seeing WarThunder at its Max and Maxed immersion…but of course there’s a but, we need better rewards the set time award system needs attention or more payout for PvP kills
I feel like it would keep the “Communist” player base playing 😂
After the new vehicles are ground out I have no interest in playing WT. SIM sucks right now.
Sim is still the same as it's always been at props. Top tier is worse than it's ever been if you are not playing on the USA side.
@squishface80085 I wouldn't know. I only play US. I dabble in other countries, but not often. I like to ground pound in the a10. But the maverick cameras are broken. Just another bug to add to sim, I guess. I've been considering taking up WW2 sim.
I seriously don’t understand the economy rant a lot of people have…I play SIM exclusively, and am by no means the best player ever…but that said I always earn silver playing 12.7 and up, and rarely ever loose silver…granted who doesn’t want more silver and RP, but to hang your hat on saying it’s the biggest issue I find hard to believe
Do you have premium, do you have premium jets? These are factors. Have you got an account to check stats like kill count, experience level etc?
You barely make any money compared to playing RB, even when going 3.5:1 or higher. I had a 23 kill, 4 death match in the flanker, and I didn't even get 250k after almost three hours. That's horrible. I could make almost triple that in rb. And I had prem
@@detoi4371 I can see your point, that other game modes might be more efficient considering time spent to rewards in game…but to say that everyone just bleeds silver in SIM and is forced to play other games modes just to be able to spawn in SIM I find hard to believe
@@_Skitter I do play with premium account, and I have premium jets yes…but I do not solely rely on premium aircraft though…currently flying mig29 and su27sm depending on br bracket
You may be a lot better than the average than you even realise yourself. The average player likely runs a 0.5 kd(or lower). Thats gonna be 0 sl every match until they quit back to air rb.