iConnect MIDI 4+ Setup Tutorial (Late Night Tips)
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- This one was really difficult to put together, hence a one-day delay. I actually had to scrap my first recording and do a new one, but here it is. Hope it helps!
Elektron Octatrack + Elektron Analog RYTM + Elektron Analog Four + Moog Slim Phatty + Korg MS-20 Mini + Korg Volca FM + Ensoniq MR76 + iPad Samplr + iConnectMidi4+ + TC Electronic Dittox4 + Line 6 M9 + Line 6 M5 + Behringer RV600 + Ibanez LF7
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@HalutioN There is a better way of clearing a whole matrix. If you click just under where it says Port destinations in the box above USB Device Jack / Port 1 it will select everything and click again to clear it all.
Thanks! I'll pin that one for everyone to see!
a powered USB hub into the USB-A host port. You can connect up to 8 USB MIDI device on that powered hub.
Hey, how about updating your software so that we don't need to read a pinned post on a youtube channel to find the functions we need? I suspect you'd sell more hardware if the config apps weren't some of the most opaque I've ever seen. If I sound snarky, it's because I could have used this "tip" the last few years. The hardware has such promise and yet doing anything non-trivial ends up being mystifying, even for advanced MIDI user, programmer types. Thanks for understanding our frustration.
@@iConnectivitySupport I just read on your website that non-powered hubs can work too if none of the USB devices are powered by USB? Will that work fine or is powered still recommended?
@@AdamsOlympia Technically it should still work if the devices have their own power sources and are not drawing power from the host port.
Once again, thank you so much for this video. So helpful. Sold my Octatrack to buy an MPC and now have that as the brain for all my stuff through the iConnect.
I guess the MPC might be easier to work with as it has more connectivity, which means your icm4+ will not be as heavily used. Correct?
Wow - the good thing first: this was the first time I got a fundamental understanding of the beast! Thanks a lot for that. I had a more or less trial and error factory setting which did the job so far until I wanted to add a drum beside my sythesizers. Looking at you I became adventurous and wiped out everything I considered useless - with the result that my synthesizers didn't talk to me anymore :D . Thanks god I had a backup of my former preset ;-) - all in all it ended up in a upgrade of the app + firmware (v4.2.7) : with the factory settings my drum talks to me but not my synths :D. Long story short: with the knowledge you provided I hope I will be able to figure out the differences between my old world and the upgrade of today!!
holy shit man....you went through all that for the sake oof education...can´t help you enough for this. It was indeed extremely helpful Thanks for sharing. Cheers
Always glad to help!
I am happy for the opportunity to make your day - and thanks for showing your setup, always helps to see what others are doing. OK, are you ready? Go into the config app Port Routing tab...(I found this by accident one day)...select a port from the Port list on the left, then...wait for it...click in the Port Routes (Destinations) pane on the right, hold down the mouse button and just start dragging the cursor around.................you're welcome!! Sorry to be so pseudo-dramatic, but that was the eff-ing coolest thing I learned in my studio all month, the month I learned that! I appreciate your videos and have started looking forward to them. Cheers!
Cool! Yeah, now I feel stupid that I haven't thought of that sooner :P On the other hand, there's a touch of randomness to this method and I am a bit of a control freak :) Awesome tip!
The perils of putting yourself out there before you're done acquiring *all knowledge* 😉 You have my respect sir!
Thanks! That's the fun of this channel that I get so much knowledge from the comments section. Like in my HEAT Alternative video: I didn't even know that some of those devices exist despite tons of research :)
Thanks a lot, this is far more helpful than the manual!
Thanks for watching. Glad it was helpful.
iConnect really needs to take some advice from the line of AJA video routers. They're intuitive and easy to setup, manage and use. When the setup and interface is less than intuitive it becomes another THING to do and fixate on instead on making music.
Yeah, I love my MIDI 4+, but it's been sitting in a drawer for about 3 years now. Decided to go with much easier setups...
I would love to see a good video of using chain and song modes in the rytm and octa. Enjoyed this
Thanks! I haven't yet explored the song modes on a RYTM, that's something I will have to look into. About the song mode on the OT, I did a breakdown of the arranger in my Playing Live video: ua-cam.com/video/pSKAmyAYkjI/v-deo.html
Thank you for the good Video Tutorial of this complicated Iconnectivity Setup-tool. Unfortunately I dont have an octatrack yet, only Rytm and A4 and some other Synths. As DAW I use ableton live and I noticed that I cant record MIDI notes that I play with my midi-keyboard live in the Track. This is the same when I try it with another Synth, the Ipda etc. Do you think this is a Routing Problem with Iconnectivity, or is the Problem that I dont connect MIDI from the MIDI4+ to my Audio-Interface?
as a workaround, after you clear all the routings... you could save an Empty Routings preset
Nice! That day is looming, so I'll definitely look into that :)
Thank you so much for posting this video!
I am wondering if I could connect a digital keyboard that only has an USB B-style (midi output) port to this device and then have it simultaneously be able to send out 5 pin midi (to hardware synths) and then also be able to send a USB A-style (midi output) port to my laptops USB A-port for DAW interaction? I have a UAD Apollo as my main recording interface so I'm ideally wanting to have the iconnectivity MIDI 4+ interface in standalone mode so that I don't have to set it as my main recording interface in my DAW thus granting me the possibility to be able to connect to the UAD Apollo as my only input/output for recording. But, I do want to have the midi input from my Yamaha P125 coming in for producing/writing.
Thanx for the tips, i'm gonna reset my icm4+ ;)
thx again. quick test done, works fine with a destop computer (win10 /ableton live 9/roland mx-1/analog rytm/korg monologue/dreadox hades) a win 8 laptop (resolume arena for live videos sequencing /midi clock from ableton) and an ipad pro (both for synths and midi controlers apps) all at the same time with the networking capabilities of the icm4+.
Sounds like an awesome setup. Would love to see a video!
HalutioN yeah but pretty complex setup for me , i'll try to make a video soon
Drop me a message once it's up. Really curious to see it.
HalutioN yep, i'm actually moving from my appartment to another, once it's done i'll record some basic stuff just as an example . Cheers
Question: Keystep midi out to mio 4 DIN in. Then Mio 4 out to synths. No matter what midi channel I choose on my keystep, it always triggers the synth on channel 1, what am I doing wrong. Midi remapping out/in? I already did 1 -> 1, 2 -> 2, ect ? just doenst work :(
The ICM4+ literally arrived from Amazon while I was watching this video.
I can't really use it until my Digitakt arrives in a week or two, so expect some questions in a couple of weeks. Lol.
I'm guessing I'll plug the Digitakt in like you have the OT to make it my hub.
Cool! I try and check the comments regularly. Will try to help out if I can :)
HalutioN Thanks!
Hi, i'd like to know if is possible to plug two audio interfaces to the Iconnect and of this way have a redundant system in my case sending midi signal to Qlab via a Kork Nanokontrol to two computers running a show in Qlab. thanks
Thanks for your help with the electribe info. I still can’t get it to sequence from the OT. It plays nothing when I press play. Midi Chanel 12 on OT midi channel 12 on electribe and pad 12 with sound I want on it. If I put a note on electribe sequencer and press play on OT it plays the note sequenced by electribe. Obviously something not right in my settings.
Really difficult to guess what could be wrong without seeing it. Have you confirmed the channel selection on the OT by pressing the knob?
HalutioN yes I made sure I did that. Understand hard to tell issue without seeing set up. Thanks again
Great video, thanks. So important to get these things right! Can I ask where your RYTM comes within the setup and how you would sync to the DAW?
Hey! Thanks for watching and apologies for a delay in answering. My RYTM daisy-chained to the Octatrack using a MIDI cable and set to slave. The DAW is controlling the Octatrack and all the other Elektrons follow.
Thanks for the great insight! Got a couple of questions...
1) will it make a real difference if for example you decided to have the OT connected to the front Midi in/out ports? Or on the first couple of the back ports? Instead of having Ot to midi out 2 and in on the 3rd midi pair? In any case, is it a matter or personal preference which ports to use for what or there’s more into it?
2) more specific question: Is it possible for ICM to do any type of MIDI events processing? Like for instance, whenever it receives a NoteOn , to append a certain CC message? I read that this sort of thing is required if you want to trigger Slices on the OT using a keyboard.
Thank you and forgive my wordy comment :)
with groundloop of death, does it permanently damage the octatrack?
Funny you should say that; I once damaged my OT after plugging in an old FM radio and causing a blackout in my entire house xD
Hi man great tutorial. I have a question, would I be able to send midi to a blofeld waldorf synth, using a native instruments Komplete Kontrol A25 midi keyboard thru the iConnectivity mio2? Have never used a midi interface and I'm a bit confused.
I haven't tried the MIO2 personally, but from my experience with MIDI4+ you can route anything anywhere using their gear.
There is someone with a UA-cam channel called “Angelina Junious” that has your video on it...
Thanks for the heads up!
Great tutorial.
I am really interested in this device, but there is one question that remains for my setup.
I send information from a Beatstep pro sequencer to a little bits synth module through midi. The little bits (an analog toy syth) is not capable of filtering the info, it just plays all midi channels together. Now my sequencers midi out has just 1 port so I cannot filter it in the Beatstep.
Now I got tipped that the Iconnect midi4+ makesit possible to filter all midi info except 1 channel (e.g. channel 1) for a chosen midi port. I couldn't google any info that backs that up for 100%.
Have you ever tested that ?
Thanks Man!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
you said you connected the Focusrite with the ICM. But where? I don't see it.
Sorry, I was not precise enough! The flowchart at 1:28 shows MIDI 4 In and Out and it's labeled "Ableton". That's how Scarlett is connected; some people pointed out that it's a waste of a port, since I could just connect via USB, but I think it was my preference to have the same Audio / Midi interface (don't know why, though 👽)
How are you connecting the iPad to the USB port on the interface?
I have a special USB-B to Lightning cable that you have to buy from iConnect. A camera connection kit with a normal USB-B => USB-A should also work. I'll test it later and let you know.
I have a Roland F-20 digital piano with only (midi) USB in/out. I want to connect it to an Alesis QSR sound module with only 5pin Midi ports as stand alone (no PC) and using the piano as a controller for the module. Will the iConnectMIDI2+ or 4+ do the job? Thanks
Hey! For that you'd need a 4+ because it has a USB-host functionality. But if that's the only thing you need it for, that might be a bit overkill. There are dedicated usb-din interfaces for less money.
@@LateNightBeatsOfficial Will those do what I need? These would be for Usb to Midi, not Midi to PC? Can you point me to one? Nobody seems to know which will do the job and they are so expensive. Thanks for any advice.
I mean if you want to go through a computer that you just connect the keyboard to the computer and use any USB-DIN converter, or an interface with DIN out. But if you're looking to use it standalone, you need a device that would work as a USB-MIDI host. The most well-known ones are Kentons but a cheaper Miditech might also do the trick. But please do some more research before buying, as I have never tried these. And and also, very importantly a USB device that you plug in them needs to be class-compliant, that is not require specific drivers.
HalutioN Ok thanks. I will do more research.. Yes, I want to do stand alone w/o a computer. I was hoping the iConnectMIDI2+ would do the job but I'll keep looking.
Great vid! Question, is there a particular reason you set up the OT's input and outputs up on different dins on the icconect? Why not in and out on din 3 respectively?
I think I mention that in the video, that it is not the cleanest setup, as it's been evolving for over a year. So, the only reason is that initially the setup was slightly different and, as I was making changes, I'd make small incremental changes and plug the cables into the available slot rather that tear the thing down and start from scratch.
Hi I’m looking into these. how are you connecting your rytm, analogue4 and moog into this ? I don’t see them in the diagrams but you do mention them. Do you sequence all your synths with octatrack ? What’s your clock source ? Thanks
So, in this setup all machines that have midi thru are connected via thru. That is: OT => RYTM => A4 => Moog => ICM4+. The OT is my main sequencer but the A4 and RYTM use their built-in sequencers. The clock source varies. It usually is the OT, but in later iterations of this setup it could have been either the OT, Ableton or a Boss RC-202 Looper. Thanks for watching!
HalutioN thanks for the reply really appreciated. Great channel.
Hello nice tutorial, I am ready to go with this device ,I want to ask if I can make the settings and the rootings at the software on the computer and then get rid of the computer and play standalone?Also will the usb to midi host work with no computer ?thanks!
That's the beauty of it. You only need a computer for setup. Once you commit the settings to memory, you turn it off and back on and everything will work without a computer. I believe that iPad audio streaming works only with a computer, but all other routings are 100% standalone.
Late Night Beats thank you!
@@LateNightBeatsOfficial hmmm..
So.. if you want to unplug the Mac but still run AUs from a couple of iPads.. are you not able to remain standalone ?
I haven't bought the MIDI 4+ yet.. I am still undecided between this one and the Audio4+ one..
I am a multi-instrumentalist :
I've got a handful of USB-MIDI instruments going through the powered USB Hub.
Thanks very much!, for this video, btw. I still have to watch a couple of times, further.. just to grasp everything.. but it made the whole setup way more visually perceptible.
Hi, and thx for this great tutorial. My question: When i set my ICM4+ in factory defaults, then all midi connections DIN or/and USB's should be communicating anyways, right? Or wrong? Because when i use my Ableton, from here i can route them as well and it shoul work fine
I'm curious if this is true or is it better to route them through ICM4+?
Thanks, H! ;-)
That's a very good question; I'm not sure how the defaults are being set up, but theoretically they should send everything to everything and it would just be a splitter. I'm not sure that I understand the alternative solution, though... ICM4+ or Ableton in what sense?
Hello,I am hooking up my electribe2 via midi in from my OTMKII midi out. (both set to channel 12) My desire is to sequence the electribe sound on the OT without it playing the sequence on the Electribe. As it stands now when i push play on OT it starts the sequencer on the electribe. is there a way to just play the "EP Rhodes voice" from electribe on selected triggers/steps in the OT? i am doing that on channel 10 with my Roland System 1. (though that does not have a sequencer). I am a midi noob and looking for some advise.
So let me get this straight: you want to sequence the E2 from the OT? A totally doable and -- in my opinion -- preferable option as the OT sequencer is far superior. The E2 is set up that each track is hardwired to a midi channel (track one = channel 1, track 2 = channel 2 etc.) So if you want to sequence your Rhodes on track one select a midi track on the OT and assign channel one to it. Keep in mind that if you're sequencing other gear on other MIDI channels, you'll have to either filter them out using the iConnect Midi or just make them empty / silent on the E2. Hope this answers the question.
thank you for your response. trying to get everything straight from your response. when you say track 1 hardwired to midi channel 1 you mean the actual first pad? as for the Rhodes i was speaking of the sound / voice patch on the E2 not a phsyical Rhodes unit itself. i am trying to play that sound off the E2 on the OT using the OT sequencer.
I forgot what tracks are called on the E2: Parts maybe? But yes, by track I mean the first pad: each pad corresponds to a synth "track" where you can load a different sound or a synth. So if you load up a PCM "rhodes" sound onto pad one, you can sequence it from the OT by putting a sequence onto an OT midi track which sends MIDI on track 1.
perfect thank you. so if i have midi track on OT set to 12 i will need to load up a pcm "rhodes" on to pad 12 and then have midi channel in global settings on 12 as well. thanks so much HalutionN
front 2usb ports are only works for OUT? (is there only one usb host available ?)
They both transmit and receive midi (and audio) data: that's why you can use the PatchBase app to edit Volca FM patches. But only the back usb works as a host. You can, however, use any powered usb hub to connect up to 8 devices to the ICM4+.
I have tried to use iConnectivity Audio4+ product with Mac OS and it simply does not work. Despite it saying it is Mac compatible it is not. I had contact with i connectivity support and they told me I had a bad device. I have another friend who also had the same experience. I heard it works better on windows. Such a disappointment because it was my dream piece of kit.
What seemed to be the problem? Mine works like magic on a Mac. Have you tried a different version of the client? If you have a bad unit, why didn't they replace it?
Are you using just the Midi4+ and or the Audio4+? iConnectivity basically told me they were having big issues keeping up with the constant Mac OS updates and could not guarantee stability. My friend had exactly the same issue. I sent it back for a refund because I simply did not see it working as they claim given their admission. I have heard it is rock solid on Windows though.
I only have MIDI 4+ and only use the MIDI functionality. It makes sense, though, because the annual os update policy is really hurting the musicians who invested themselves into Apple. It's enough to check the iPad Musician FB group and just see all the questions "I'm using Audiobus, is it safe to update now?"
I bought the Audio4+ to have an all in one solution for getting both audio and midi into and out of my ipad and into Ableton. Every time I connected the cable to the ipad Ableton would receive a loud buzzing sound. iConnectivity explained they could not guarantee it would work with iOS. They recommend I move to windows 10 as a solution. WTF! Why market the stuff as compatible if it isn't?
Wow, that's pretty bad. I was not aware of that issue. You should demand a refund yourself: the primary reason we chose the Apple platform is the compatibility, stability and ease of use. And I have worked on Windows 7 in the past: never again.
Great tutorial! Does iconnect midi send clock? I'm looking for a stable clock to work with octatrack and ableton
Never mind, solved it by slaving OT to AR and running overbridge ;)
Sorry, sometimes it takes a while to get back :) I don't believe ICM generates clock, but from my experience OT is real solid as a clock source.
HalutioN From my experience there's some latency when sending clock from ableton to OT, but with overbridge it's much more solid and therefore I use AR as master and OT as slave. Bought the iconnectivity 4+, this video helped a lot ro figure out the settings. Thx!
Is it really a problem that everything is enabled by default???
Damn, sometimes I do things without reflection. That's an excellent question, I guess the point is to limit any unnecessary midi signal flow to avoid midi crashes, weird parameter changes or program changes.
Thanks for the video. Just one question:
Wy do you use the rme Midi to connect your computer and not use the usb @ the midi4+ ???
Great question and sorry for a late reply. The main reason is that I also use overbridge on my Elektron boxes, so I don't want to put too many USB cables. Once I run out of DIN inputs / outputs on my ICM4+, I'll probably switch to the USB cable.
HalutioN thank you for the answer. This bring me to another question. Do you use the Elektron usb hub? And how manny tracks are possible via overbridge.
By the way: thank you for a lot of good tips and tutorials. It helps me by my transition to Rytm and Octatrack.
I have never pulled the trigger on the Overhub, but I eventually will. Probably once I get an updated MacBook. I could stream 6 out of 8 tracks originally but now it's bottlenecked at 4 tracks from the RYTM for some reason. Will have to look into it.
does it run stand alone when set up? cheers dude!
Yes, that's the thing. You just configure it and it works without a need for a computer.
Suicide opertation!!! RESET YOUR CONFIGURATION TO REPROGRAM IT AGAIN!!!
Really brave!!
This is exactly what I’m looking for, but that design interface is HORRIBLE! I use a similar GUI routing interface for routing video components at work called the AJA KUMO. The web browser based interface is two rows of 16 sources on top and 16 destinations on the bottom. I can rename them to what they actually are and color code them. It’s like a virtual patch bay-which this should be. When I want to route, I select a destination first and then a source. DONE!
They really should keep engineers the hell away from the interface design phase of a product. Zero imagination.
Yeah, it's a handful. I always need to force myself to dive into its setup when I have to change something. Still, no other equally capable midi hub on the market as of 2020, so we'll have to make do. Thanks for watching!