Hi jonnyweston, thank you for bringing this to our attention. You are absolutely right - there was a discrepancy between different manufacturers, and this was in no way our intention. We have rectified this to give a more accurate comparison. Ultimately our /amplifier/ page is there for a rough guide, as all the manufacturers will try their best to fiddle the numbers and misrepresent the power rating. We will always try and put the RMS or lowest, most realistic, rating where possible.
this is actually the first year that I have ever seen denon quote 1 ch driven, so I called them and asked them why they started doing it. They said they were doing it cause Onkyo and others have been doing it for years, and that endusers were being dramatically mislead when comparing amps. Very few users seemingly know how to compare correctly using RMS, so I was told that they quoted 1ch this year AS WELL as 7ch so that end users could make a fairer comparison using all examples of output
Hi just wondering if you can help i have had the Denon x4000 for 1 year now but i cant get any sound from the sub when i listen music is there any way round it. i spent over £7000 on my set up. and this is the only problem minor problem i have. my set up is Samsung ue46f7000 Denon x4000 Denon 3313UD Dali Zensor 7, 5.1 Qed Referance HDMI X4 Qed Genesis Silver Spiral speaker cable X 56 Meters in total and Qed Signature Subwoofer cable x2 and Qed Reference Optical Quartz x1 and XBOX ONE. and still not finished about to get Dali Zensor 3. x 2 and Custom Design FS104 Signature x 2 and more Qed Genesis Silver Spiral speaker cable. also what do you think of my set up thank you.
Hi, I bought a Yamaha RX-V496RDS years ago at £500 when DTS had just arrived for DVD and it's still a good amp now. But I want to buy a new amp to get the best out of my HD setup but I only use the amp for TV, SKY, Xbox and Blu-ray and only have room for 5.1 sound. I have been told Denon are very good amp's but what would you say I am best going for. Any help would be great, Thank you.
This is the best quality and value receiver on the market currently. I'd say wait for the X4100W to come out (which should be soon) and go for it. It's the same as the X4000 except it has additional support for Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, some updates on the software front, and introduces support for Dolby Atmos.
I just bought this and i cant figure out how to bypass video processing in this receiver when watching a blu-ray movie...I have an oppo 103 and it does all work and i want the picture to remain untouched. How do i do this?
Wondering whether anyone know how I could configure it to use HDMI video input on my device but the audio is from analog (Red/White). i.e. I don't want the audio coming directly from the HDMI cable, is that possible?
i.e. Onkyo regularly quote: 6ohm @ 1khz tone @ 1% THD BTW your website is incorrect - You are mixing up 6ohm figures with 8ohm avland.co.uk/amplifier/ You quote Onkyo TXNR828 as being 180w per ch (6 ohm @ 1khz tone @ 1% THD for 1 ch figure) You quote Denon AVRX4000 as being 125w per ch (8 ohm @ 20hz-20khz @ .05% THD for 2 ch figure) Actually your site should quote the denon as 165w 6 ohm @ 1khz tone @ .7% THD for 1 channel figure to be less misleading and a more accurate comparison
Elwin Franken Well, there's a difference between worse and less powerful. If it goes as loud as you'd ever want it with your speakers, why would that matter? The issue would be if the amplification section was of lesser quality like in terms of how it affects FR and measurements of distortion.
I have heard the AVR-X4000 and it performs worse on my old RS-IIIa Infinity, and well I want to reach atleast 115dB, at the other hand I might get 3 seperate Behringer iNuke 3000 for a 7.2.4 setup, Dolby Digital Atmos.
Elwin Franken You mean use the AVR-X4000 (or rather, future X4100W with Dolby Atmos) for its features but use the pre-outs for front, side, and back channels using three additional power amps? The 7.2.4 setup you mention - the rest of the speakers aside from the ones I mentioned you would use the internal amps then? That would make sense of course, as long as the main speakers are connected with external amplifiers if that's your issue. For the price of the Behringer iNuke however, why not just go with Crown at that point? They certainly make better amplifiers. The only thing I'm left wondering as I did last time, when you say you tried the AVR-X4000 and it performed worse, once again, do you mean it didn't go as loud or at equal levels it actually sounded worse (more distortion, less fullness, etc..)?
Hi jonnyweston, thank you for bringing this to our attention. You are absolutely right - there was a discrepancy between different manufacturers, and this was in no way our intention. We have rectified this to give a more accurate comparison. Ultimately our /amplifier/ page is there for a rough guide, as all the manufacturers will try their best to fiddle the numbers and misrepresent the power rating. We will always try and put the RMS or lowest, most realistic, rating where possible.
Excellent review - You guys do a great job reviewing av receivers. Thank-you.
Excellent Review. The Internet could learn a lot from this review style.
Fantastic video for sure guys!
Well done! (if only the manufacturers would wake up and do stuff like this!)
this is actually the first year that I have ever seen denon quote 1 ch driven, so I called them and asked them why they started doing it.
They said they were doing it cause Onkyo and others have been doing it for years, and that endusers were being dramatically mislead when comparing amps.
Very few users seemingly know how to compare correctly using RMS, so I was told that they quoted 1ch this year AS WELL as 7ch so that end users could make a fairer comparison using all examples of output
Wicked... a great video backed up by an even greater service.
Again - well done on the video!
Outstanding overview! I'm in the market and your information is very helpful.
awesome review. thank you so much
Great Review
Hi just wondering if you can help i have had the Denon x4000 for 1 year now but i cant get any sound from the sub when i listen music is there any way round it. i spent over £7000 on my set up. and this is the only problem minor problem i have. my set up is Samsung ue46f7000 Denon x4000 Denon 3313UD Dali Zensor 7, 5.1 Qed Referance HDMI X4 Qed Genesis Silver Spiral speaker cable X 56 Meters in total and Qed Signature Subwoofer cable x2 and Qed Reference Optical Quartz x1 and XBOX ONE. and still not finished about to get Dali Zensor 3. x 2 and Custom Design FS104 Signature x 2 and more Qed Genesis Silver Spiral speaker cable. also what do you think of my set up thank you.
Can you preamp the Front L/R speakers with 9.1?.. It only says (SB/FH/FW) on the speakers setup.
Hi, I bought a Yamaha RX-V496RDS years ago at £500 when DTS had just arrived for DVD and it's still a good amp now. But I want to buy a new amp to get the best out of my HD setup but I only use the amp for TV, SKY, Xbox and Blu-ray and only have room for 5.1 sound. I have been told Denon are very good amp's but what would you say I am best going for. Any help would be great, Thank you.
This is the best quality and value receiver on the market currently. I'd say wait for the X4100W to come out (which should be soon) and go for it. It's the same as the X4000 except it has additional support for Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, some updates on the software front, and introduces support for Dolby Atmos.
I just bought this and i cant figure out how to bypass video processing in this receiver when watching a blu-ray movie...I have an oppo 103 and it does all work and i want the picture to remain untouched. How do i do this?
Yes, I'm using translator to talk to you.
how to factory reset this unit?
i have a denon X4000 dat as a sound fort.
Wondering whether anyone know how I could configure it to use HDMI video input on my device but the audio is from analog (Red/White). i.e. I don't want the audio coming directly from the HDMI cable, is that possible?
Input assign.
6 years later but that's it :)
@@fmjkevlar yup. Got that working. Lol
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i.e. Onkyo regularly quote:
6ohm @ 1khz tone @ 1% THD
BTW your website is incorrect - You are mixing up 6ohm figures with 8ohm
avland.co.uk/amplifier/
You quote Onkyo TXNR828 as being 180w per ch
(6 ohm @ 1khz tone @ 1% THD for 1 ch figure)
You quote Denon AVRX4000 as being 125w per ch
(8 ohm @ 20hz-20khz @ .05% THD for 2 ch figure)
Actually your site should quote the denon as 165w
6 ohm @ 1khz tone @ .7% THD for 1 channel figure
to be less misleading and a more accurate comparison
so...does Denon now build everything in china ?
Yes it does now unfortunately
Oi,Hi
I think this would be a downgrade from a AVC-A1SE.
How so?
Typhoon792 Because the amplifier is allot less powerful.
Elwin Franken Well, there's a difference between worse and less powerful. If it goes as loud as you'd ever want it with your speakers, why would that matter? The issue would be if the amplification section was of lesser quality like in terms of how it affects FR and measurements of distortion.
I have heard the AVR-X4000 and it performs worse on my old RS-IIIa Infinity, and
well I want to reach atleast 115dB, at the other hand I might get 3 seperate Behringer iNuke 3000 for a 7.2.4 setup, Dolby Digital Atmos.
Elwin Franken You mean use the AVR-X4000 (or rather, future X4100W with Dolby Atmos) for its features but use the pre-outs for front, side, and back channels using three additional power amps?
The 7.2.4 setup you mention - the rest of the speakers aside from the ones I mentioned you would use the internal amps then? That would make sense of course, as long as the main speakers are connected with external amplifiers if that's your issue.
For the price of the Behringer iNuke however, why not just go with Crown at that point? They certainly make better amplifiers.
The only thing I'm left wondering as I did last time, when you say you tried the AVR-X4000 and it performed worse, once again, do you mean it didn't go as loud or at equal levels it actually sounded worse (more distortion, less fullness, etc..)?
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