Military Idea Groups Ranking with ZERO BIAS and Absolute NO FLAWS: the FUNDEMENTAL TRUTH

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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @LemonCake101
    @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +20

    www.youtube.com/@suedeciviii7142 check him out, he is going to be live later today too!

    • @wrjtung3456
      @wrjtung3456 2 місяці тому +2

      Suedeeuiv

    • @MrBritishNinja
      @MrBritishNinja 2 місяці тому +1

      He is great, I've really been enjoying his vids lately!

  • @theaccount27
    @theaccount27 2 місяці тому +377

    The real Europa was the universalis we made along the 4

    • @popecorn_
      @popecorn_ 2 місяці тому +8

      I can't believe the Universalis was the Bay Harbour Butcher

    • @willferg7347
      @willferg7347 2 місяці тому +8

      @@popecorn_I can’t believe that doakes was the bay trade node butcher

    • @anti-spiral159
      @anti-spiral159 2 місяці тому +2

      We made in all 4*

    • @zaikolebolsh5724
      @zaikolebolsh5724 2 місяці тому +1

      En 4 te la pongo 😈 les falta calle 🧉🗿

    • @juergen4ever
      @juergen4ever 2 місяці тому

      ​@@zaikolebolsh5724 jajajajaja

  • @arthurrelke
    @arthurrelke 2 місяці тому +171

    its so over for the quality innovative offensive economic

    • @poldi2233
      @poldi2233 2 місяці тому +4

      Fuck I used to live opening with Inno-quality before 1.30. Hit insane innovativeness by the time you're done with both groups since I wouldn't ever pick either of those first and a very solid +20% inf ability

  • @lucasnadamas9317
    @lucasnadamas9317 2 місяці тому +189

    Is this you trying to subtly segway your channel into civ

    • @suedeciviii7142
      @suedeciviii7142 2 місяці тому +60

      If he was doing that it wouldn't be subtle. He has enough diplo points saved up to buy cores on half a dozen civ games

    • @speedypichu6833
      @speedypichu6833 2 місяці тому +5

      I mean, I would be up for it, Civ 7 is coming out.

    • @lucasnadamas9317
      @lucasnadamas9317 2 місяці тому

      @@suedeciviii7142 buy cores with diplo points? What Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

  • @luizindaquimica
    @luizindaquimica 2 місяці тому +34

    Truly, the meta is starting as a North American Native, taking Indigenous, becoming a Horde, becoming a republic and then spamming as many troops as humanly possible

  • @faefirebird1576
    @faefirebird1576 2 місяці тому +204

    Quality in bad is very un-discipline pilled :(

    • @idontlikerome2744
      @idontlikerome2744 2 місяці тому +10

      Sad Prussia noises*

    • @lordedmundblackadder9321
      @lordedmundblackadder9321 2 місяці тому +2

      It literally gives discipline

    • @piggysew797
      @piggysew797 2 місяці тому +2

      @@lordedmundblackadder9321 plus economic policy with it

    • @lordedmundblackadder9321
      @lordedmundblackadder9321 2 місяці тому

      @@piggysew797 quality + Econ + offensive my beloved ❤️❤️❤️

    • @faefirebird1576
      @faefirebird1576 2 місяці тому +4

      I guess yall are tarded or sumn. I was making an argument FOR quality, the video ranked quality low. I like quality for the discipline?

  • @LibertyMonk
    @LibertyMonk 2 місяці тому +14

    the "if you're defending, you're losing" line is true in most contexts, but, siege races exist. winning siege races more often isn't useless.
    then he goes and glosses over siege ability, as though that's not 95% of the game. oof.

    • @thememedad202
      @thememedad202 18 днів тому +2

      "If you're defending you're losing" is not true at all in EU4, and that's one of the few games where this is the case. It is absolutely viable to sit out opponents, especially if you have high attrition provinces as well.

  • @galffygergojozsef7816
    @galffygergojozsef7816 2 місяці тому +66

    Based and Quantitypilled

  • @SIeepyBull
    @SIeepyBull 2 місяці тому +79

    this is truly one of the unbiased videos of all time

  •  2 місяці тому +48

    Aristocratic + Horde + Quality + Playing as Poland = Absolutely busted cavalry.

    • @sld1776
      @sld1776 2 місяці тому +2

      Sich Rada government reform but from Poland for a second to get Aristocratic and the Polish tree.

    •  2 місяці тому

      @@sld1776 And obviously : 100% influence for the Cossacks estate.

  • @ziggytheassassin5835
    @ziggytheassassin5835 2 місяці тому +23

    "I havent put them there. Thats where they are" based

  • @Frostenheim
    @Frostenheim 2 місяці тому +76

    Will there be a lemon cake recipe video at 25k?

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +32

      👀

    • @anti-spiral159
      @anti-spiral159 2 місяці тому +8

      I don't see any "nature" channel making a video on how to cook your average human in a nice soup recipe with tons of spices and stuff

    • @joshithegreat5303
      @joshithegreat5303 2 місяці тому +3

      That would be ABSOLUTELY BUSTED

  • @missingmochigumanofficial
    @missingmochigumanofficial 2 місяці тому +9

    18:00 I'd like to add that for maneuver pips, supply limit and reinforce speed are positively affected for each pip you have. At least that's how I understand maneuver.

  • @sayakp2571
    @sayakp2571 2 місяці тому +37

    Could we get an unbiased loading screen tips ranking with garlic man?

  • @ИванЕвдокимов-в4м
    @ИванЕвдокимов-в4м 2 місяці тому +25

    TRVTH NVKE: almost all military ideas are pointless. Having problems winning wars? Get good.

  • @hansjorgkunde3772
    @hansjorgkunde3772 2 місяці тому +45

    Land leader maneuver from Defensive also reduce attrition taken. So a 6 pip maneuver should significantly reduce attrition in sieges.
    As attrition contribute to most losses, at least in my games, as i have to stack enough troops on that hill or mountain to deter attacks from the AI, its a good thing. Highlight is clearly the 15% morale.

    • @australiananarchist480
      @australiananarchist480 2 місяці тому +3

      you can park your troops on the province next to the sieged province and 9 times out of 10 the AI will see them and be just as deterred. If they start to move in, you move in as well and theyll instantly stop for a little while. If you have enough, you can also let them lock their movement and take a good outnumbering fight with a reinforce meme

    • @hansjorgkunde3772
      @hansjorgkunde3772 2 місяці тому

      @@australiananarchist480 Yes i hear you, and i do the two stack party. If you siege a level 8 fort with 20k you get like 3+% attrition, that is in 12 months a loss of 7200. And if 100k stacks run around you you need to park far more than 20k on that fort. Beside the other 150k near to deter any attack wich means they stand in attrition as well.
      In MP you can see the results, 1 million + in one siege. The losses are staggering, 50,000 a month just through attrition.
      just take a look at the ledger and you may find out that your total losses in a campaign are easy 2/3 due to attrition.

    • @Leann-n
      @Leann-n 2 місяці тому

      @@australiananarchist480 You can yes, emphasis on can. At the same time keeping the stack together is sometimes the only reason AI doesnt jump on army and ruins your siege.

  • @doudline2662
    @doudline2662 2 місяці тому +55

    first, i love lemons

  • @Old_Sealand
    @Old_Sealand 2 місяці тому +16

    This video really increased your sub count from 4 to 24k. Amazing.

  • @СаняХацуне
    @СаняХацуне 2 місяці тому +22

    "QIZBALASH' BROOOO

    • @marazali1816
      @marazali1816 2 місяці тому +1

      "Persian" bro NOOOO 😭😭

  • @sammeargaming9967
    @sammeargaming9967 2 місяці тому +16

    Bro is collecting the infinity stones of collabs

  • @Archduck
    @Archduck 2 місяці тому +5

    I never realized how bad Quality was. Thanks for the showing me the error of my ways I'll be sure to go Espionage first instead.

  • @stevencat922
    @stevencat922 2 місяці тому +4

    I feel like I learned more about eu4 mechanics in this video than I have from tutorials.

  • @ha2kon539
    @ha2kon539 2 місяці тому +3

    This was a really fun video :)

  • @gloriousleader7651
    @gloriousleader7651 2 місяці тому +33

    Naval at the bottom is truely based

  • @Zackary1005
    @Zackary1005 2 місяці тому +4

    To tell you how long I've waiting for your take on idea groups papa lemon cake

  • @alymohamed9947
    @alymohamed9947 2 місяці тому +22

    20:55
    Mercenary cost means nothing, the real kicker is Merc maintenance, merc cost only applies when you're first hiring the company, most of what you'll be paying generally will be in the form of maintenance, merc maintenance also is unaffected by LAND maintenance, this means that if you go merc only and go over force limit, the game can't even punish you whatsoever, as it'll keep raising your land maintenance which you'd have at zero.
    it's also easy to do, you need a country with a -15% merc maint (milan, florence(or the formable tuscany) , switzerland, burgundy), merc ideas, admin ideas( for the policy) and the T5 reform elite mercenaries, just don't bother with militarization and you'll have a merc maint buff, they'll be even cheaper than regular units.
    Also, very niche, but you can have war taxes at zero if you take the war economy gov reform with merc ideas, which is nice, not crazy or anything obviously, I also had my mil techs cost less than actual ideas at some point.
    I agree they're situational, you really need to focus your game on mercs to get the most out of it, but I recommend trying at least one merc-focused campaign

    • @Alorand
      @Alorand 2 місяці тому +1

      "just don't bother with militarization" - I think you mean 'Professionalism'.

    • @alymohamed9947
      @alymohamed9947 2 місяці тому +6

      @@Alorand no, Militarization is the government ability you gain after the T5 reform.
      Professionalism isn't strictly opposed to a merc playstyle, at 0 professionalism you get a buff to merc cost (near pointless) and merc manpower (which is useful, admittedly) but if the bonuses from 100% professionalism are worth going for, you can drill, merc ideas will make companies cost no professionalism

    • @grabbers6520
      @grabbers6520 2 місяці тому +2

      I thought that merc cost worked like regiment cost in that the maintenance is determined by the cost. is that not the case?

    • @alymohamed9947
      @alymohamed9947 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@grabbers6520 regiment cost affects merc maintenance but merc cost does not

    • @benlereparateur1261
      @benlereparateur1261 2 місяці тому +2

      @@alymohamed9947 wait, merc maintenance is affected by regiment cost but not by regiment maintenance ? That's so cursed paradox haha

  • @carl4889
    @carl4889 2 місяці тому +1

    This is the collab I never knew I needed.

  • @carltonleboss
    @carltonleboss 2 місяці тому +25

    0/10 didn't consider the possible policies with other idea groups

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +17

      I asked for it and he declined

  • @spencerbarton2584
    @spencerbarton2584 2 місяці тому +1

    The crossover I never knew I needed 😂

  • @Jemnej
    @Jemnej 2 місяці тому +15

    Combat stats: drake nono
    Manpower and economy stats: real deal
    But tbh, that menchart from pluto is so good, love him.
    (And how is it, that my favorit eu4 stats youtuber does not know how many merchants are there at the start of a game. 10% respect lost debuff :( )

  • @Gostafer
    @Gostafer 2 місяці тому +9

    Why don’t you just rank every single possible built in eu4 from colonial Rhade to tall Finland.

  • @jthornburg12
    @jthornburg12 2 місяці тому +1

    I’m in awe at the wisdom in this list. Anyone else go straight to the comments when quality went in the bad tier?

  • @osiris3676
    @osiris3676 2 місяці тому +1

    The crossover i didnt know i wanted but i loved it

  • @pmcshow44
    @pmcshow44 2 місяці тому +1

    This may be your best video

  • @toreq1127
    @toreq1127 2 місяці тому +11

    i HATE ❤🚫 quality ideas
    if the naval meta vs ai wasnt to just make more ships than them naval would be god tier, tho tbh i guess its not that different from land armies

  • @Finn1x
    @Finn1x 2 місяці тому +4

    Waiting for tier list of every lemoncake's tier list

  • @epiroks
    @epiroks 2 місяці тому +2

    I've been saying for ages that Horde is busted. Finally, someone acknowledges this powerful truth.

  • @TheMelnTeam
    @TheMelnTeam 2 місяці тому +4

    To be fair it's not really worse than what I see from players with 1000s of hours in the game.

  • @jaakaappi7234
    @jaakaappi7234 2 місяці тому +5

    Lemon just knowingly chuckling away is the best part of this.

  • @christianwhite8877
    @christianwhite8877 2 місяці тому +1

    while messing around in a non ironman game trying to make the most powerful Italy i could (no mods where used). i encountered the well known bug where as Milan you can't get the missions of Tuscany when forming Tuscany (i have all my dlc's on. I have the emperor dlc. the decision even said that I'd gain new missions, and the game decided to object to this even after a monthly tick), at the very least i was not really needing much from Tuscany but I'm unsure what to do about it next time this bug happens (all i can think of is perhaps Tuscany doesn't give missions if you are using specific reforms such as the ambrosian republic (which is among the best tier 1 reforms that give combat bonuses directly that don't also make your ruler/heir generals or something, and it's not part of the revolution which means it doesn't change basically everything about the government), though from what people say it might work if you had a military dictatorship or stayed a monarchy)

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +1

      Frankly as a Milan into Florence enjoyer that is the first time I am hearing about this bug, I have never had issues.

    • @christianwhite8877
      @christianwhite8877 2 місяці тому +1

      @@LemonCake101 as i said. i don't know why it happened nor how to prevent it, all I know is that I'm glad it didn't happen in an ironman game where it would matter way more

  • @antonlavrentiev5249
    @antonlavrentiev5249 2 місяці тому +1

    Many ideas are situational. You can build your early strategy on around defending a single mountain fort, and bleed Ottomans as Georgia or Ming as Korea. Carefully placed forts will keep your heartland prosperous. But later in a game you will concentrate on sieging enemy forts and battles, and def is not that important anymore. Still, it's very annoying when AI takes this idea, and it does it very often, even for countries, for which it doesn't make much sense. For example, for England. Overall, I agree with absolutely busted tier, except of Natives, because I never played as them. I also like how, if you play as Byz, some ideas are telling you: take me! take me (I have plus 1 pronoia)!

  • @bsantini3616
    @bsantini3616 2 місяці тому +3

    going aristocratic in my next mp game for this

  • @hiptoptoe4847
    @hiptoptoe4847 2 місяці тому +4

    I like Diplomatic ideas, AITA??

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +1

      A yes my favorite military idea, flexible negotiations

  • @ИванЕвдокимов-в4м
    @ИванЕвдокимов-в4м 2 місяці тому +2

    17:25 Finally, some true fax on this channel

  • @darthcheesecake3392
    @darthcheesecake3392 2 місяці тому +1

    Need Dip and Adm ideas ranked next my dude.

  • @christianwhite8877
    @christianwhite8877 2 місяці тому +2

    I think I thought of why France is arguably one of the better candidates to quickly form rome. Not only do they start with a lot of land and subjects. They get more from a war with England. There mission tree and national ideas don't care if you are Catholic (it will somewhat change the mission tree, but it adapts to said change). And because of that you can own Rome without a penalty while on the path to forming rome. Through it could be arguably better to start as England to pu france and do certain missions that give reform options and the ones that give reform progress. Go protestant or Anglican (it doesn't really matter which one that badly for this). At some point inherit France. Culture shift to the French culture that has a monarch reform with parliament, and suddenly you became a slightly better France in a better position to form rome (unfortunately I don't know if you can get those specific reforms without a certain dlc. And you could also do better by using a specific dlc so you could form a unique nation as England in that situation, but at the very least this idea doesn't rely on any dlc to be doable and takes advantage of the fact England isn't an end tag)

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +1

      I mean I have to admit, currently I subscribe to the Students line of thought, which is that England into Angevin is the way to go. Which does make sense; it is insanely well situated to do so.

    • @RobbiusBossius
      @RobbiusBossius 2 місяці тому +1

      @@LemonCake101 well for the average joe that's probably the case, but for better players ottomans are by far the best, no contest, with the mamluks being a close 2nd
      also here's a 100% unrelated fun fact, there's a few nations that are actually more broken than persia for devving

    • @christianwhite8877
      @christianwhite8877 2 місяці тому

      @@LemonCake101 I agree. but why i suggested the option i did was because Angevin requires domination from what i recall from the wiki. not everyone has domination. though after looking on the wiki it seems the reforms i mentioned require domination. and the wiki seems to not say the reform that a specific French culture allows that gives parliament (though you could just culture shift back to English culture so you can keep your parliament, and I guess you could do some missions as England if you wanted anything specific before then), either way though you would be in a better position to form Rome than starting as France directly

  • @designermetal1
    @designermetal1 2 місяці тому +1

    I must be missing the DLC that gives you an extra merchant at the start of the game. 🤣🤣

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +3

      you need to play with the 'streamer luck' DLC trust

  • @AntonioDal.
    @AntonioDal. 2 місяці тому +1

    Navy should be in solid. Naval supremacy allows you to transport troops to strategic locations, destroy any fleet, naval blockade which also helps with multiple things during war, -100% naval barrage cost = literally breaching fortress with 0 millitary points when your ship is next to the province.

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +2

      I mean at the risk of opinions given: this is all true, but in SP this is all achievable and then some without naval ideas.

  • @QuixoticCosmos
    @QuixoticCosmos 2 місяці тому +1

    I’m 6 minutes in and at this rate he will know everything about the game 😂

  • @Fedacking
    @Fedacking 2 місяці тому

    I would love a post mortem of why suede nade his picks and why the meta is different

  • @theorixlux
    @theorixlux 2 місяці тому +3

    Melon cake really gaslighting us thatnaval isnt S tier. Hes even got a poor little eu3 guy

  • @georgb710
    @georgb710 2 місяці тому +1

    Quality worse than defensive. MADNESS. I hope you roll a bad start for your next CIV MP campaigns.

  • @nightsekeer
    @nightsekeer 2 місяці тому

    damn i been playing wrong this entire time sadge. but would have also been fun at the end to go through it again and tell him how the community places them in a tier list

  • @ominousflames14
    @ominousflames14 Місяць тому +1

    I guess I pick quality, because it adds a challenge then. Yes that's why.

  • @TheDanzielDK
    @TheDanzielDK 2 місяці тому +3

    Very high quantity video.

  • @Speedster___
    @Speedster___ 2 місяці тому +1

    You should do this but do ideas instead of idea groups

  • @Aarlaeoss
    @Aarlaeoss 2 місяці тому

    Real combat sometimes did often involve shock and fire phases as it were following each other. Though combat being half and half is unlikely.

  • @ralsei66
    @ralsei66 2 місяці тому

    0:59 where do i get this image of jabba the hutt cat

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому

      It is the pfp of a certain individual

  • @Hadar1991
    @Hadar1991 2 місяці тому

    30:50 I would say that in single player aristocratic is usually the meta opener. You don't need military bonuses in SP. Aristocratic/plutocratic/divine and defensive are the only military idea groups I ever take, because those are the only idea groups that give you development cost reduction.

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому

      I mean SP for tryhard runs you are opening admin/dip or dip/admin

    • @Hadar1991
      @Hadar1991 2 місяці тому

      @@LemonCake101 Maybe I play minors too much, but I don't really sea point opening with admin. While diplo is great opener. And I do not do extreme try-hard runs, hence aristocratic is usually quite nice opener that gives you a little bit of everything. Usually waiting with admin for third or even fourth idea slot is not a problem, unless you are mega blobbing.
      Although I will admit that I recently suffered immensely because I opened Novgorod with plutocratic (my first republic run in 2500 hours) and I had to take admin as second, third was reserved for religious and I took diplomatic as a forth. Because I wanted finish Novgorod mission tree before forming Russia (I double checked, I do not inherit Novgorod mission tree after forming Russia, even though many people claimed that I should - maybe I am lacking some DLC, even though I have DLCs with missions for Novgorod and Russia) I was stuck with two diplomats for very long time. So I admit, that playing as Novgorod I should definitely open with diplo/admin if I had to for long time stay as Novgorod.

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому

      @@Hadar1991 oh roleplay games do whatever for tierlists we assume optimal play otherwise the best idea is whatever is more fun and hence rankings are all pointless and well you need admin for ccr.

  • @homoe7976
    @homoe7976 2 місяці тому +1

    Imagine not just overstacking and letting it ride

  • @anti-spiral159
    @anti-spiral159 2 місяці тому +2

    So size matters in numbers but not on physical, good, good

  • @tedbed1389
    @tedbed1389 2 місяці тому +1

    Aristo opening is busted

  • @vladislavkorol902
    @vladislavkorol902 2 місяці тому +14

    roman empire also has pronoia

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому +9

      oh damn

    • @IndependentObserver
      @IndependentObserver 2 місяці тому +7

      Ok, but let's be honest- nobody that already formed Roman Empire has ever used one- by the time you have 3500+ dev from conquering those 425 provinces and 300k of your own units, nobody will care for 2-3 vassals that you can't annex whenever you please, that can't conquer shit, can't develop shit, that don't pay you shit (they pay you literally 10 times less money than a normal vassal (15 times less than a core eyelet)) that give you no force limit regardless of how many "vassal force limit contributions" you stack because their base contribution is 0 (for a normal vassal it's 1), in fact it reduces your force limit before you do a certain Byzantine mission. And will be constantly angry at you, because they have the worst possible liberty desire calculation out of any subject in the game.
      And you can't even give them land via a war because they have -20% administrative efficiency and +100% core creation cost by default.

    • @avet4952
      @avet4952 2 місяці тому +6

      ​@@IndependentObserverbro rlly hates pronoiars 😭😭😭

  • @Ridien
    @Ridien 2 місяці тому +4

    imagine not putting naval ideas on the top tier

  • @sld1776
    @sld1776 2 місяці тому +1

    You should absolutely plan your game around winning siege races.

  • @robertocozzi7306
    @robertocozzi7306 2 місяці тому +1

    Now do that considering all the possible policies

  • @terrypennington2519
    @terrypennington2519 2 місяці тому +2

    Quality would be so much better if the +10% Artillery combat bonus came before all the naval buffs. It's really the naval buffs that make it pretty mid, if the group lacked all of the naval buffs and just had the land buffs as well as the discipline bonus at the end, it would be pretty good imo

  • @PinkMawile
    @PinkMawile Місяць тому

    The tribal group also has some great policies.

  • @Mredyeah
    @Mredyeah 2 місяці тому

    Do you think maybe pterodactyl is ahead in subs because you plug his channel in every video?

  • @forestcaine
    @forestcaine 26 днів тому

    Its a token to how busted combat ability is in this game. That quality can have 2 horrible ideas and still be the best by far. Insane.

  • @lek1223
    @lek1223 2 місяці тому

    i'm going to chalk any disagreements down to not covering national ideas, policies and the synergies there! because otherwise as an official list its hard to disagree

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому

      Naturally, but Suede declined to comment on policies etc :(

  • @jonathankraus6818
    @jonathankraus6818 2 місяці тому +1

    lost me at quality, prior to that this was a really good list

  • @ManuR-l4m
    @ManuR-l4m 2 місяці тому

    Quality is mandatory in multiplayer where discipline, artillery combat ability and the policies are of huge value.
    But in singleplayer its just ass. Especially the three naval ideas make it awful.

  • @luker.6967
    @luker.6967 2 місяці тому +1

    Inno + quality policy is insane but then you have to take inno...

    • @toreq1127
      @toreq1127 2 місяці тому

      unironically quality is the worse one between those 2

    • @jodinha4225
      @jodinha4225 2 місяці тому

      They're both good imo but i play taller so​@toreq1127

  • @agamemnonofmycenae5258
    @agamemnonofmycenae5258 2 місяці тому

    There's no eu4 player who would put quality at the bottom. Combat ability is absolutely busted in this game. Even if it's balanced in multiplayer against quantity, it has a hidden advantage against numbers. It inflicts emotional damage!
    -I won, but at what cost!(3x the casualties)
    -Sire, we will replenish those losses in 3 months.
    -I know, but we just suffered a million casualties!
    Same thing with defensive. Morale of armies is just as busted and way more important for quantity than quality army builds!

  • @Movie_Media_Shorts
    @Movie_Media_Shorts 2 місяці тому

    Want you to start posting civilization video?

  • @QasqaZhol
    @QasqaZhol 2 місяці тому

    You mispronounced the name for army estate of qyzylbash by saying qyzbalash. That were the turcoman tribes, and their names translate as Redhats

  • @rafadazdoit
    @rafadazdoit 2 місяці тому

    Lmfao putting quality in bad is insane when you consider how synergistic it is with innovative and other idea groups

    • @toreq1127
      @toreq1127 2 місяці тому

      other mil idea groups have better policies quality is pure larp

    • @LemonCake101
      @LemonCake101  2 місяці тому

      Lies and slander its not the MP meta, this is 100% true. Educate yourself.

  • @nathanbean8763
    @nathanbean8763 2 місяці тому +1

    This is

  • @ThePoutinePrince
    @ThePoutinePrince 2 місяці тому +1

    it's so over qualitybros

  • @theonetruebobthecob972
    @theonetruebobthecob972 2 місяці тому

    Bongo

  • @RobbiusBossius
    @RobbiusBossius 2 місяці тому +3

    the shrimple answer
    offensive S tier, quantity b tier
    everything else is trash

    • @robertocozzi7306
      @robertocozzi7306 2 місяці тому +3

      Aristocratic and horde + espionage is top tier for cavalry builds
      Pluto is good overall

    • @RobbiusBossius
      @RobbiusBossius 2 місяці тому

      @@robertocozzi7306 if you take those idea groups in singleplayer you are just larping and not playing properly, no mil ideas other than offensive/quantity are worth it
      mp is a different story tho, but i wouldn't take horde in MP

    • @robertocozzi7306
      @robertocozzi7306 2 місяці тому +4

      @@RobbiusBossius why should I "play properly" in single player? I want to have fun, not minmaxing to form Rome by 1500

    • @RobbiusBossius
      @RobbiusBossius 2 місяці тому

      @@robertocozzi7306 ok sure you can play how you want but this is a tier list topic, not "what is most fun", every idea group is viable if you find it fun, doesn't mean its optimal

    • @redcrown5154
      @redcrown5154 2 місяці тому +1

      @@RobbiusBossius cry

  • @zenmastakilla
    @zenmastakilla 17 днів тому

    blud hath not played the game even 💀 why do we care about his input

  • @SamSchlimpert
    @SamSchlimpert 2 місяці тому

    More

  • @nimrochir
    @nimrochir 2 місяці тому

    Qizbalash and quality is bad.