John and Elliot React to Kerrang's Top 51 pop punk albums of all time Join our Discord: / discord Support Punk Rock Radar: punkrockradar.limitedrun.com/
Top 5 of all time : 1. Green Day - Dookie 2. Screeching Weasel - Anthem For A New Tomorrow 3. Descendents - Everything Sucks 4. Mr T Experience - Revenge Is Sweet And So Are You 5. Ramones - Road To Ruin
I'm not taking that credit away, Milo Goes To College is not a pop punk album tho, inspiration does not equal is. Beach Boys inspired The Ramones, but we don't call them punk. I would place All by The Descendents as the first official pop punk album.
I feel like after every five to ten albums they throw in something completely random. What was the deal with those album choices for Screeching Weasel and the Ramones? And sometimes they didn't include any text as to why they chose an album. This one felt very inconsistent and discombobulated, sort of feels like this may be an AI list. Maybe not the whole way through, but I could see them using AI to build the list and then move things around until they got bored.
I think Jawbreaker did have a 2004 release, but it was an expanded re-release of Dear You that added Into You Like a Train, Sister, Friendly Fire and the version of Boxcar from ETC. It was a godsend because the original release was getting hard to come by and my cd was scratched to hell and barely played. Emo is a bizarre choice for SW. It has its moments, but My Brain Hurts, Anthem or TV City would be much better choices. I can't argue sonically against including NOFX, but I think they're a little more of an anti-pop punk band in their conscious refusal to take the money and play nice for the radio, and while I probably include some things that might raise an eyebrow here or there, I would probably exclude Wolves and Smash, at least in part because including them demands including so many other things that stretch the definition beyond being useful.
The poppier punk bands of the 70s, i prefer the label punk-pop. Even power-pop or New Wave depending on how watered down the production or the raw the band is. It's a better way to differentiate them from pop-punk, which I agree is really a term that should be applied to bands from the 90s and onward (you can say it really started to evolve in the 80s, but really didn't take shape until the 90s). Bands like the Ramones, Buzzcocks, Undertones, Generation X, Boys, Rezillos, Real Kids, Dickies, Pointed Sticks, Modernettes, etc.... these bands are pop rooted in the 60s sense of the word (Beatles, Beach Boys, girl vocal groups, bubblegum ala "chewy chewy", etc). And yeah, there were bands that gained popularity in the 90s that were clearly influenced by that stuff (Muffs, tons of bands on the Lookout Records label etc). But it's still kind of hard to put the Muffs or Queers in the same category as a band like, say, All Time Low or Saves the Day. They were also a bit older (Joe Queer and Kim Shattuck were already in their early to mid 30s by 1993... so they would've grew up as the 70s stuff was coming out). One has a rawer/snottier 70s r'n'r sound while the other clearly has roots in post-hardcore/emo as much as punk-pop. Interestingly, the one band that I think can easily be lumped into both sides is Green Day. They're as much on the side as the Mr. T Experience as they are Blink 182, and i'd say a lot of that stems from the influence of bands like the Replacements, Husker Du and Isocracy. Now, this is where I'll disagree: As fan of the 70s punk-pop style, I never necessarily hated on any of the early 2000s pop-punk. I was indifferent to most of it. But to say "how can you be fine with the Buzzcocks, but not ______" is a bit of a stretch. There's a clear difference in the vocal tones, the vocal melody patterns, the tempos, the guitar sound, the overall production, the lyrical matter, etc etc. Again, one is rooted in the 60s sense of the word "pop", while the other had more generations/sub-genres of punk to choose from since they came later down the line. I also have absolutely nothing against gatekeeping. every musical genre, movie genre, chef, cook, racecar enthusiast, sport and physicist needs gatekeepers. I'd be lost without them! lol. Fun channel! subscribed.
More of a band list than album list, I’d doubled up on ataris, nofx, bouncing souls.But if you include nofx rancid and opivy, you got to have nufan hard rock Lagwagon feelings, strung out twisted and a bunch more 90s/ early 00s. To much late 00s.
I have found it weird listening to a lot of American talking about Bouncing Souls. 'How I Spent My Summer Vacation' must have been huge there. ST is easily my favourite album.
Tonight Alive has a female singer, i think they're there for representation since its not popular or acclaimed. It honestly sounds as dated as its album cover for 2013, kind of a post-paramore type band, but it's not bad . The Ramones Rock n Roll High School is a hilarious inclusion. They must've been like, well Ramones are technically punk rock so maybe the movie makes it explicitly "pop" using it as like the origin of pop punk idek . Sticks and Stones is surprising at 3, i absolutely love it tho, low-key my fav pop punk album
So long Astoria is my 4th favorite Ataris album...and I still maintain bouncing souls is not pop punk...maybe I'm in the minority on that... Rancid, offspring nofx..and op ivy are not either in my mind.....good stuff tho guys...great run down...best list of the 3 so far for sure tho.
Enough of these pop-punk list, what about skatepunk list?! 😋 To be fair, this list was the best of all but "Punk in drublic", "Milo goes to college", "And out come the wolves", "Operation Ivy", and "Smash" are definitely not pop-punk albums even if they have elements of it. I don't think that the amount of sells of an album define the genre of the music, because with this logic, any punk band who sell almost no albums are a crust-punk band lol Keep up the good work guys!
I was saying that after the recording lol, The Ramones mistake was pretty bizarre, the list is decent but really does seem like the typical fair overall. It was written in 2017 though, so I kind of doubt it, just a by the numbers list.
I am just going to make a youtube channel and use multiple AI's including chat gpt to just upload content for me so i do not have to do anything and still get paid.
Bowling for Soup could be 51, but any higher is wild to me. Their biggest song is a cover. Op Ivy is NOT pop-punk. INSANE take. Last thing I will say is Fall Out Boy, All Time Low and all these half emo/half pop punk bands are TRASH. Cheers :)
Best Top 50 so far? And what would make your list?
It's better than the others but still missing Relient K - MmmHmm
You guys and the discord should make a top 50-100 pop-punk albums
I get so many songs for my yearly lists from these. Thanks guys.
Kerrang choosing the “RocknRoll High School” soundtrack over Ramones’ “Rocket To Russia” is a confusing choice, in my opinion
The Goldfinger s/t never gets anywhere near enough love.
@@danielladowns I actually like Goldfinger’s “Open Your Eyes” album the best. Just my opinion
Top 5 of all time :
1. Green Day - Dookie
2. Screeching Weasel - Anthem For A New Tomorrow
3. Descendents - Everything Sucks
4. Mr T Experience - Revenge Is Sweet And So Are You
5. Ramones - Road To Ruin
You should do these top 50 lists live streaming. I think it'd be fun to have a live comment section going.
We'll plan one for live, it's just we can really only go live once a week, and the brackets are taking those slots rn
Very well theorised Elliot :) But Descendents are often credited with inspiring all the pop-punk that followed.
I'm not taking that credit away, Milo Goes To College is not a pop punk album tho, inspiration does not equal is. Beach Boys inspired The Ramones, but we don't call them punk. I would place All by The Descendents as the first official pop punk album.
@@ergoth154 Fair reply ;)
I'm with John on MxPx's best album being 'Ever Passing Moment' 😍
I feel like after every five to ten albums they throw in something completely random. What was the deal with those album choices for Screeching Weasel and the Ramones? And sometimes they didn't include any text as to why they chose an album. This one felt very inconsistent and discombobulated, sort of feels like this may be an AI list. Maybe not the whole way through, but I could see them using AI to build the list and then move things around until they got bored.
I think Jawbreaker did have a 2004 release, but it was an expanded re-release of Dear You that added Into You Like a Train, Sister, Friendly Fire and the version of Boxcar from ETC. It was a godsend because the original release was getting hard to come by and my cd was scratched to hell and barely played.
Emo is a bizarre choice for SW. It has its moments, but My Brain Hurts, Anthem or TV City would be much better choices.
I can't argue sonically against including NOFX, but I think they're a little more of an anti-pop punk band in their conscious refusal to take the money and play nice for the radio, and while I probably include some things that might raise an eyebrow here or there, I would probably exclude Wolves and Smash, at least in part because including them demands including so many other things that stretch the definition beyond being useful.
The Dear You re-release also included Shirt. I dunno how I forgot that. It's one of my favorite tracks.
Bowling for Soup definitely deserve to be in the list. WOuld make mine :)
'Hitler Bad, Vandals Good' is fucken brilliant. This is polished and the next album even more so. Next album was very poppy.
Concerning The Almost: Aaron is the drummer/vocalist of Underoath.
I thought he always looked exactly like the lead singer of underoath, that makes so much sense, never knew that haha
BOUNCING SOULS > Almost anything considered "pop punk" by almost every magazine or list ive ever seen
The poppier punk bands of the 70s, i prefer the label punk-pop. Even power-pop or New Wave depending on how watered down the production or the raw the band is. It's a better way to differentiate them from pop-punk, which I agree is really a term that should be applied to bands from the 90s and onward (you can say it really started to evolve in the 80s, but really didn't take shape until the 90s). Bands like the Ramones, Buzzcocks, Undertones, Generation X, Boys, Rezillos, Real Kids, Dickies, Pointed Sticks, Modernettes, etc.... these bands are pop rooted in the 60s sense of the word (Beatles, Beach Boys, girl vocal groups, bubblegum ala "chewy chewy", etc). And yeah, there were bands that gained popularity in the 90s that were clearly influenced by that stuff (Muffs, tons of bands on the Lookout Records label etc). But it's still kind of hard to put the Muffs or Queers in the same category as a band like, say, All Time Low or Saves the Day. They were also a bit older (Joe Queer and Kim Shattuck were already in their early to mid 30s by 1993... so they would've grew up as the 70s stuff was coming out). One has a rawer/snottier 70s r'n'r sound while the other clearly has roots in post-hardcore/emo as much as punk-pop. Interestingly, the one band that I think can easily be lumped into both sides is Green Day. They're as much on the side as the Mr. T Experience as they are Blink 182, and i'd say a lot of that stems from the influence of bands like the Replacements, Husker Du and Isocracy.
Now, this is where I'll disagree:
As fan of the 70s punk-pop style, I never necessarily hated on any of the early 2000s pop-punk. I was indifferent to most of it. But to say "how can you be fine with the Buzzcocks, but not ______" is a bit of a stretch. There's a clear difference in the vocal tones, the vocal melody patterns, the tempos, the guitar sound, the overall production, the lyrical matter, etc etc. Again, one is rooted in the 60s sense of the word "pop", while the other had more generations/sub-genres of punk to choose from since they came later down the line.
I also have absolutely nothing against gatekeeping. every musical genre, movie genre, chef, cook, racecar enthusiast, sport and physicist needs gatekeepers. I'd be lost without them! lol.
Fun channel! subscribed.
More of a band list than album list, I’d doubled up on ataris, nofx, bouncing souls.But if you include nofx rancid and opivy, you got to have nufan hard rock Lagwagon feelings, strung out twisted and a bunch more 90s/ early 00s. To much late 00s.
yeah, they didn't do repeats at all now that I'm thinking about it, definitely would double up on a lot of these
ALKALINE TRIO - FROM HERE TO INFIRMARY
Yeah guys, go listen to RVIVR right fucking now! hahaha
I have found it weird listening to a lot of American talking about Bouncing Souls. 'How I Spent My Summer Vacation' must have been huge there. ST is easily my favourite album.
Tonight Alive has a female singer, i think they're there for representation since its not popular or acclaimed. It honestly sounds as dated as its album cover for 2013, kind of a post-paramore type band, but it's not bad . The Ramones Rock n Roll High School is a hilarious inclusion. They must've been like, well Ramones are technically punk rock so maybe the movie makes it explicitly "pop" using it as like the origin of pop punk idek . Sticks and Stones is surprising at 3, i absolutely love it tho, low-key my fav pop punk album
Tonight Alive is a fun pop punk band from Australia but I think their "What are you so afraid of?" album is better the "The Other Side"
I feel like early Unwritten Law Oz Factor or Blue Room should definelty be on here
UL is on my personal list 👍
Those are skate punk albums but they’re great
@@TolietWater thats gotta be first time ive ever heard UL called skate punk. way more poppy for sure.
So long Astoria is my 4th favorite Ataris album...and I still maintain bouncing souls is not pop punk...maybe I'm in the minority on that... Rancid, offspring nofx..and op ivy are not either in my mind.....good stuff tho guys...great run down...best list of the 3 so far for sure tho.
Enough of these pop-punk list, what about skatepunk list?! 😋 To be fair, this list was the best of all but "Punk in drublic", "Milo goes to college", "And out come the wolves", "Operation Ivy", and "Smash" are definitely not pop-punk albums even if they have elements of it. I don't think that the amount of sells of an album define the genre of the music, because with this logic, any punk band who sell almost no albums are a crust-punk band lol Keep up the good work guys!
Best list with one of the most confusing inclusions with a movie soundtrack 😅
I suspect AI made this list
I was saying that after the recording lol, The Ramones mistake was pretty bizarre, the list is decent but really does seem like the typical fair overall. It was written in 2017 though, so I kind of doubt it, just a by the numbers list.
I am just going to make a youtube channel and use multiple AI's including chat gpt to just upload content for me so i do not have to do anything and still get paid.
Plz stop saying "rift" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
TSSF's What You Don't See shouldn't be top 50 pop-punk albums of all time? Bruh you are on crack, that is the best band to do it these days.
Bowling for Soup could be 51, but any higher is wild to me. Their biggest song is a cover.
Op Ivy is NOT pop-punk. INSANE take.
Last thing I will say is Fall Out Boy, All Time Low and all these half emo/half pop punk bands are TRASH.
Cheers :)
Never understood the Yellowcard hype, that band is terrible and not pop punk imo