How much does an Icon Cost? Αγιογραφία
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In this video I talk about Money and the Criteria Iconographers consider to charge for an Icon.
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Antonis Kosmadakis - Навчання та стиль
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Thank you George!!!!
Thanks for this. As someone who is Catholic, yet has recently discovered the treasures of the Eastern tradition, I do feel that icons are at times expensive, especially coming from mass-produced images and statues in our very Catholic nation. But on the other hand, I get the time, effort, and prayer of the iconographer has to be recognized somehow, and one way of doing that is giving the iconographer what he or she deserves. It's also a way of honoring art.
I am guilty sometimes of looking at icons over at Etsy in terms of price, and basing my options on price, since cheaper things are often more attractive to me! But lately, I've been thinking that perhaps the sacrifice of the iconographer could be matched by my own "sacrifice", so I have to save up for the icon I want to commission, give up another purchase so I can get it, and so on. In that way, both iconographer and myself will be happy and fulfilled. And not to stock up on icons, as is usual with other things in this consumption-driven world, but to take things slow, just as a great icon takes time :)
Michael thank you so much for the excellent Comment!
@@PaintingtheLight You are welcome. Thank you for being a consoling presence on UA-cam. God bless you!
Wise words, especially that last part.
@@pavelrazamazov2672 Thank you
@@PaintingtheLight Just an update, 4 months on. I have just received my first painted icon, commissioned from a Bulgarian iconographer. It's St. Ignatius of Loyola, since I belong to the Western tradition. I now better understand why icons cost money: the icon is so exquisite and intricate and draws me to prayer. And I really feel St. Ignatius' presence with me. Thanks once more for this video which reminds me that I can help iconographers carry on their mission by patronizing their icons and not lowball them on prices. God bless you!
You should charge accordingly...Your years of Art education and development of your talent is priceless! Lucky are those that own a beautiful painting by you! You should be charging as much as a doctor or lawyer, etc. You are a master iconography 🎨 Artist!
I really admire you, you work beautifully, thank you for the videos!!!
This is very helpful; the iconographer in my town charges "what you think it's worth" which is very stressful for me as someone who would like to pay a fair price and doesn't want to insult him.
Thank you for your opinion and congratulations for your progress as youtuber.
Thank you Pedro!!
iconography is so beautiful
It really is!!
I agree with all your thoughts on pricing and hope that in future people will understand more about why we have to ask for money to paint :) I think the comments are interesting - I live in the UK so perhaps I am one of those who Pedro says charge too much 😂 I have studied art for 20+ years professionally, iconography for 15 and continue to learn and improve my technique and work. I only use pure gold leaf, real pigment and egg tempera on solid wood. I also live in an expensive country. I try to practice φιλότιμο but also have a child, a home & know one day my hands and eyes may stop my work. I do my best to be modest but also have to live. There is no easy answer :) for artists like you who are using good materials and produce good work, the bible itself says “the labourer is worthy of his pay” (Luke 10:7).
No Katherine, I dont know you, sorry. I have never bought a real icon, only printed, in my first years as Orthodox. I agree iconography should worth more, but Christians have other priorities.
@@oOIYvYIOo There's nothing like having a real icon at home. I have a couple which I bought second hand from an antique shop. So even if money is an issue, I guess there's always a way to get a handmade icon if you realy want one... A handmade icon is a true treasure! Good luck with your icon painting mr. Pedro!
@@theartofromeosyne yes it is. My maine altar have now 6, all made by me logically
Thank you for the nice Comment!!!
Very interesting and thoughtful video, and the discussion here in the comments is also very interesting to read and consider.
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Thank you for your tips about the price of a commission of an icon.
Also thank you for your demonstration of painting the photisma of the hands in the first part of this video.
Thank you so much William!!
Also what I learned is that it doesn't help you if you charge too low. You might think that by charging lower, you're doing your client a favor, but instead the low price causes your client to doubt the quality of your work. "How can he charge so low? Is he compromising on the materials he's using?" So if you're new to the industry, and you're setting up your rates, the urge to want to lower your prices tends to be a good sign that your prices are just fine. There will always be people who will think your rates are too high. Don't try to please them because you probably won't.
That's true!!! Thank you for the nice Comment!!
@@PaintingtheLight You're welcome! Big fan of your work!
Bravo Maestro!!!!
Thank you so much!!
Thanks for the helpful tips on how to price an icon/painting! Very informative
Thank you Joshua! I'm glad the video was helpful!
Thank you Joshua! I'm glad the video was helpful!
It was very interesting and educational, May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you and your subscribers always, Amen.
I am an artist illustrator living in Switzerland (expensive country). Many calculate illustration and art price by day of work and 300 Euros for a day of work is the minimum here to reach a low salary, once you have paid charges (as you have to, as self employed worker), supplies and taxes. With a family, if you want to be able to pay the food and bills, you have to charge 300 Euros minimum for a work that took a full day. So, for example, an icon that took 8 to 10 hours your would charge 300 euros, for an icon that took 16/20 hours of work you would charge 600 euros. Working full time, you would end up with approximately 3900 euros net monthly income , which is considered minimum income with 2 child. But of course, if you have another job to make a living, you could sell your work for cheaper. But that would not be fair retribution of work in my opinion.
Hi, I just wanted to offer a suggestion of donating these paintings free of charge! I can guess what you’re thinking. However, (I don’t know laws in other countries) in USA, donating items such as art can be deducted on your taxes. I’m not a tax lawyer but this is the option I’m currently considering - as if it works accordingly, could mean you do generate an income (in a round about way) while still giving these paintings away for free. Something to think about and thought I’d mention. Great work!
Very interesting material. Today I worked the palms and the wings with you 🙂 I must admit that I started to learn peinting because the truth icons are too expensif for me😉
Τhank you so much!!
Δάσκαλε αγαπημένε , πονεμένο θέμα η κοστολόγηση... 🤣.
Γενικά στην τέχνη κι όχι μόνο στην αγιογραφία και ιδιαίτερα στη χώρα μας!
Νομίζω όμως πως θα συμφωνήσεις ότι για έναν άνθρωπο που ασχολείται με την τέχνη η ουσιαστική πληρωμή είναι η ψυχική κατάσταση που δημιουργεί το έργο σε όλη του τη διαδρομή, από την έναρξη έως την ολοκλήρωση.
Δε θα επεκταθώ διότι πιθανά να δημιουργήσω χάος 🤯.
Θα περιοριστώ στο να σου εκφράσω για μια ακόμα φορά τον σεβασμό μου στο πρόσωπό σου, την εκτίμησή μου στην προσωπικότητά σου και το θαυμασμό μου στο ταλέντο σου .
(Ελπίζω να μην έχω γίνει γραφική... 🤣)
Ώρα καλή και καλή τύχη στα μαθήματα που ανέβασες στην πλατφόρμα !
Κυριακή σε ευχαριστώ πολύ για την ζέστη σου υποστήριξη..... Το εκτιμώ να ξέρεις!
very wonderful channel :D keep up the good work. Hope i can one day save some money to get your online course God Bless. The husband of a collage colleague of mine is an iconographer and she told me that for a 30x21 size icon he charges about 40 euros. Truth be told i never saw his work.
Thank you soo much!!
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Ευχαριστώ Μάνο!!!!!
I do know iconographers that charge an absurd, specially the ones in UK. I am selling all my 30x22 for 100€. Whether a bust, half a figure or a figure, or with an episode with one or two figures, without gold. I cannot master gold leaf work and I havent all the proper materials for it. For now I wish to practice painting since I dont live of iconography. I have sold around 10 icons all this last months, thanks to my parish hieromonk and by parish brethren. But I wish to paint in bigger board, but I need to save money to invest in proper materials, as pencils. I bougth a very big easel with crank from MABEF. Step by step. I hope you will maintain your online course avaible for sometime as I intend to subscribe in the future.
Olá Pedro! que engraçado te encontrar aqui neste canal 😄 acabei de responder à tua pergunta que me fizeste no outro vídeo com o Padre Ioannis.
@@anavinagre1489 😃, procura-me no Facebook pois não consegui te encontrar
Pedro try to invest in learning gilding.... It's gonna help you a lot!
@@PaintingtheLight yes, I will invest in your course in a month or two. You teach guilding and polish gold leaf right?
@@oOIYvYIOo I'm not teaching the mirror like polished gilding there. That's something for the future. In the course I teach a simpler method that results in a more matt gold surface.
I’m learning iconography and I love it. I would like to join your course. Do you also teach decorative gilding like meaning designs in the gold? I would like to take a course on mother Mary icon. Thanks so much
In our culture unlike in the past, we do not think about embellishing the church to glorify God, by giving Him the best we can give. I have bought the cheaper icons you mention for the simple domestic altar, but I don't confuse them with real handmade icons. I know the one I have bought stands in place of an actual one and serves to help personal devotion. Thank you for addressing this complex issue in a clear and straight forward way. I hope that your videos will help to educate more people about the reality of the icon as a timeless work of art.
Thank you Elvie! Great comment! Stay healthy!!
Very informative video thank you for sharing!
I was told to charge what people can afford... Because everyone deserves an icon and the price should vary on the customers economic capabilities... Just another option/thought I guess.
Thanks for posting!
Thank you Leo!!!
What color do you mix for the skin? It’s the pink color. It’s beautiful.
There must certainly be a greater density per capita of iconographers in some locales as compared with others. And the same with commissioners. I am imagining that Antonis might encounter more competition, so to speak, in his locale than would an iconographer in a region of the world where the tradition of icon appreciation/veneration is rare. I wonder if supply and demand plays a significant role in compensation for the work of the iconographer?
And what about exposure through the internet? Might that negate to some degree the effects of physical locale?
That is true Mark!!! Thank you my friend!
Yes I agree! Here in the USA it seems people really appreciate iconography and will pay for it.
Αντώνη θα ήθελα να σε ρωτήσω, αν επιτρέπεται, που σπούδασες για το μεταπτυχιακό σου πάνω στην βυζαντινή εικονογραφία;
Hello, can I coat with rabbit skin glue and gypsum directly on birch plywood and paint with egg tempera without linen, or cloth, or other else? I am waiting for answering, thank you very much.
Yes you can of the board is not very big
@@PaintingtheLight Thank you very much, but no very big!! Who many in sentemeter?
If you don't mind saying , what are you attempting to do with the exercise of painting all those squares. It looks like a piece of modern art 😊
It's an excersise in transparency!
a saint here costs 300€ and the Ajovima costs about 5000€+
The tool you use to keep your hand off of the painted areas, what is that called?
mahl stick