Introducing The .458 HAM'R - The New AR Caliber with 3,000 ft-lbs of Energy
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- Опубліковано 1 січ 2018
- Wilson Combat is introducing its hardest hitting AR carbine ever produced - The .458 HAM'R. Learn more at www.wilsoncomb....
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Very deadly. It shoots mortgage payments.
M. Shade same
Huh? "It shoots mortgage payments"? Utter nonsense. It's not even funny.
M. Shade That would be a brutal caliber.
Trev0r98 Sense of humor you have not.
i legit lol'd at that. thank you.
Cost Per Round:
450 Bushmaster: $1.00
50 Beowulf: $1.16
458 SOCOM : $1.35
458 HAM'R: $2.85 (can only find it on Willson Combat's website. A box of 20 rds for $56.95)
(This was some quick internet searching. I'm sure if you looked harder or went to gun shows you might be able to find these cheaper)
My 7mil rem mag 20rnd boxes cost $48-$56. I won’t be making that mistake again! 450 Bushmaster it is!
358 yeti is the way. Get into reloading
@@CyborgNation83 475 Bishop makes that yeti bow down.
.790 Wang Dangler hits harder tho...
Do a comparison of the 458 hamr and the 45 raptor. The raptor has been out for a while and produces more than 3,000 ftlbs of energy as well and from a reloading standpoint its simple to find bullets since it uses standard 45 caliber projectiles.
Guts. Glory. Ram.
High country barley. Rocky Mountain water.coors.
I'm really digging the rifle and of course the damage that the round does!
Impressive!
There is such a thing as 'too specialized', in order to get this cartridge to work in an AR style platform they basically had to make something that wasn't quite an AR-15 and not quite an AR-10, destroying much of the rifle and cartridge's utility in the process.
Great it's a harder hitting .45 caliber, but lets look at some facts, you can almost certainly buy a 45-70 or .460 S&W lever action carbine for far less than this sucker and also have far more abundant choices for ammo at a lower cost. This actually seems like WC was trying to make a cartridge that imitates the .45-70's capabilities while making it compatible with a AR platform. One of those two they have apparently succeeded at given the claim of it having >3000 ft-lbf of muzzle energy, but they failed miserably at the compatibility portion of things. My guess is that after they threw a whole bunch of money at the problem and realized it wasn't going to work... WC just said "Fuck It, we're Wilson Combat! People are so stupid that they'll buy it anyway just because we made it!"
Now on the one hand I want to give them credit for making a semi-auto .45-70. But that is immediately dealt a death blow by the simple fact that it's not a .45-70. Instead we have a brand new cartridge that is even more expensive, requires new specialty brass with limited availability, expensive custom dies, and what is likely to be a stupidly high initial cost to own and shoot.
Yeah, no thanks. I'll stick with my .450 Bushmaster, which is even better since it uses the much more common .452 caliber over the less common .458 caliber. Let's see now, with the .452 caliber I can potentially use the same bullets to reload for the .45 ACP, .460 Rowland, .45 Colt, .454 Casull, .460 S&W Magnum, .450 Bushmaster, and God knows what else.
For those that argue in favor of the .458, keep in mind that the majority of caliber associated cartridges are for 'Elephant Guns'. And not for more commonly available/widespread use cartridges.
I can only guess at what the WC head honchos were thinking, most of which is rather uncharitable.
Velshard .458 socom hits plenty hard enough.
Same reason I bought a 460 x-frame revolver over the 500. Literally hits the same, but the 500 crowd is like, mine has more ft-lbs! Well, mine has a correspondingly more FPS, so there's that. And the difference between the two on both measurements is negated by ammo choice (IMO).
458 has been around longer than this.
It's not a new caliber. Wilson just made a new variation of the round
All this other ammo your talking about is pretty pricey to
Honestly, the hunting bullets you can find in .458, far exceed what you can normally find in .452. with .450 Marlin and .45-70 gaining new popularity, for whatever reason, the selection for .458 caliber bullets has blown open. I'm dying to get my hands on those mono-metal flat-nose .458s that Cutting Edge has been putting out.
Next time I'm hunting for vehicles or brick walls I will definitely consider this weapon.
Kidfixer guns aren’t for hunting fren
A younger man's weapon, for sure. I had to sell both my .458 SOCOM's as well as my .50 Beowulf because the shoulder just couldn't take the abuse anymore. Would like to see the stats on relative kick back just for grins, I can't go there anymore. :-)
What are you using that is a rifle? I have a bad shoulder but I want to enjoy some powerful rifle and own them but not that power like the .458 and .50 Beowulf?
Did you try installing a heavier buffer?
Came up in my twitter feed. My initial thoughts were that, if I can't swap the upper out with other AR10 uppers I don't want it. It seems to me to have similar function and looks of an AR10 but it is too proprietary for me. I like the freedom to modify my weapons with major bolt on parts and not be limited to 10 round magazines due to the design of the firearm. Cool cartridge though but again too proprietary. It really should be called an AR10 Styled carbine. Just like the MKA1919 is an AR-Styled shotgun.
Exactly right. I love the concept but trying to find the proprietary ammo…nope. Plus, you know it will be “cheap”.
458SOCOM has been around a long time and was designed around needing a hard hitting big bore caliber in a AR15. WC just figured they could build something that's been around the block a few times slightly different and put their name on it.
You cant swap out anything on an ar10 but 6.5 Creedmoor
Wilson Combat is great and all, definitely...but isn't this cartridge an elaborate answer to a question no one was asking? The cartridges it's designed to compete with already have enough power to take any animal in North America, so why buy a complete rifle purposely built for the cartridge when you can just buy a .458 SOCOM or .50 Beowulf upper?
capitalism, MERICA
That was a cinder-block not a brick. So you should have said "or blasting through a cinder-block wall", but "or blasting through a brick-wall" does sound cooler.
QBlackDeathQ shut up carl
It went through a cement brick and could easily go through a terra-cotta (clay) brick due to being much more fragile
FireForce 318 it didn’t even go through it lmao both times it shot the cinderblock it got stopped at the back before coming out.
I feel Wilson Combat is just reinventing the wheel with all their new cartridges which don't seem to perform any better than existing offerings.
Honestly, most big bore ARs aren't great. Like even with this round. You're getting light .450 Marlin load levels. Standard .450 Marlin is a decent bit more powerful. And hot .450 leaves it in the dust. I like the idea of a semi-auto big bore, but most of them are rather anemic compared to other rounds. At this price, you might as well get a BLR in .450 Marlin, your practical ROF isn't too much lower, it's probably as accurate, if not more, and the ammo is far more common and easier to handload. And that's all ignoring .45-70 or even a smaller, arguably better in most ways, .358 Winchester.
@GYPSY KING FURY If you could get a .458 WSM AR10, then you'd have something. Cause that cartridge is a decent bit more powerful than even hot .45-70 loads.
Ya, and try finding ammo for it, and then again ten years down the road.
@@u.p.woodtick3296 Yeah, not enough shooters take this into consideration. This cartridge is more powerful than the ones I'm about to mention, but some are useful for certain applications, and all use common brass. It's easy to adapt 5.56 brass to 25-45 Sharps, 277 Wolverine, and 300 Blackout. 338 Spectre uses 10mm magnum pistol brass. The 450 Bushmaster uses 284 Winchester brass, and...the 358 Yeti and 375 Stalker use .308/30-06/270/.243 cases...resist proprietary cartridges that try to force you to buy only new ammo from one source. All the ones I listed here are for AR-15...
My 338 win mag has 4200ft ibs of energy and trucks along at 3000fps and With HSM loads i get .682 BC
Holy cow how am I just hearing about this
Untill I see some ballistic charts, .50 Beowolf is still on top imo.
TheTeehee11111 and still cast a lot more
450 Bushmaster is ballistically better than Beowulf
@@JoeZelensky yeah, I saw that, but the 450 was using a bullet that weighed a hundred grains less. LOL Otherwise, no.
Pointing out the obvious, it failed to go through any of those brick walls. I doubt it will penetrate an engine block.
That wasn't even a brick wall, it was a cinder block
low speed high weight
Concrete/Mortar/Brick/whatever and metals are very different. But yeah, the "engine block" advertising point is getting a little old....
Show Me What You Got what’s the point if it’s advertised as a big game round and not really a tactical application...
Calvin Engelbrecht Like Most Americans, I just want something that will keep the Way Over stepping/criminal Agencies and U.N. Blue Helmets out of my business, out of my home and off of my property... With Prejudice!
Dang it! That is amazing work folks.
I want one of these so badly. I have the 458 as my cqc rifle but this would be awesome to have
I need this to hunt the MOON
Just in time to thwart the ever-in-limbo .510 Beck at SHOT show. Would be interested in seeing a comparison of the two calibers.
I love my 450 Bushmaster paired with Duramags by CPD
Don't we have enough products that we can't get parts for?
.308/7.62 is so much affordable, hits hard, readily available, tons of aftermarket support and has been tested over and over and over. I think the rounds that are currently available meet any need you can think of, no need for these new rounds they're just a waste of time and effort.
I agree, my AR10 / 308 shooting handload 165 grain will hammer anything including the brick wall as shown
The thing about big bore caliber ar10/15 is that on impact it dumps most of its energy if not all compared to a 308 which is a great cartridge but will more than likely pass through carrying all that potential ft/lbs of energy
Projectile weight? Velocity? Effective range? Drop? Ballistic Coefficient? Please correct me if I am wrong, but the bullet appeared not to fully penetrate the concrete block.
Go to website in video description. There is a PDF with all that info out to 300 yards.
So how can I convince my wife I need another Wilson Combat🤔
Rather interesting. I wonder if Ruger could make a bolt for their new SFAR for this then use a Wilson combat barrel for it.
Is it still an AR-15 if it has a propitiatory BCG and an AR-10 bolt?
I like Wilson but really guys what's next a .45 awp , 357 magnificent... I thought the 300 blk out was good like 458 socom as well.
It's all good until you meet the 475 Bishop that produces 5,500 ft lbs and is the biggest caliber that could fit in the Star chamber of an AR 10 for 3,000$.
Very interesting !
So they brought the .458 back.
Sorry Wilson Conbat, but my 45 RAPTOR beats that by quite a bit!
458 HAM'R Bullet 300 Grain, Pressure 46,000 psi, Velocity 2,100 ft/s , Energy 2,938 ft⋅lbf.
45 RAPTOR Bullet 300 Grain, Pressure 62,000 psi, Velocity 2,300 ft/s , Energy 3,523 ft⋅lbf.
And I don't have to buy your special brass (but I could buy affordable pre-made Brass) as it can be made out of 308 or 30-06, can use the standard AR-10 bolt, receiver, 20 round magazines and is a straight wall cartridge so can be used in Ohio of deer hunting!
Beautiful
It’s hammer time!
Tested that Beowulf round, 12 guage slugs kicked its ass in side by side testing. Expensive ammo out of an expensive gun. I would love to have this, but unless they are gonna sell them for under $500 a rifle it'll be the HUMMER of ARs...
Under $500 dollarS....even lawn mowers cost more. Check Bear Creek Industries or Palmetto State Armory. True quality and reliability have a cost.
@@BaddFrogg777 I'd get more use out of a lawnmower hahaha. Three years after my original comment, one can find a 458 SOCOM, 50 BW and 450 BM uppers and whole rifles in the $3-500 range. Also a mag fed 12GA SA shotty can be had for under $500. If you have a very specific use for 458 HAM'R, great, you probably have the money to buy and run it, but short of that you can get similar performance for less cost.
I will just stick with the Beowulf. Smaller, lighter, and hits damn hard. You lost me with the 308 platform size to outdo a 5.56 platform.
When I decide to get an AR10 I'll look into this
It's not even based on an AR-10. Its a proprietary receiver size that uses AR-15 sized mags.
Got to have one.
when are the builders going to get a shot at these?
I'll keep my Mossberg shotgun shooting 600 grain slugs at 1900fps and 4758 ft/lb for 1/7 the price. Thanks.
Probably going to have to take 2nd place to the Big Horn Armory AR500 which uses 500 S&W magnum cartridges with the rim removed.
By how much does it perform better than 458 socom? I'm curious.
Ill stick with 458 Socom
This is from their website, so take it as you will:
.458 HAMR, 300 Gr projectile, 2100 FPS with 2932 ft-lbs. muzzle energy from an 18" barrel
.458 SOCOM, 300 Gr projectile, 1900 FPS with 2405 ft-lbs. muzzle energy, unknown barrel length.
HAMR is capable of handling up to 46,000 PSI case pressure, but I cannot find an exact amount.
SOCOM is up to 35,000 PSI case pressure maximum.
Basically I think they just made a +++P SOCOM. With single shots it should be accurate to longer ranges, albeit with more recoil.
458 socom is AR15 platform
This is AR10 platform so....alot
Molested the socom like an alter boy in the vatican
Cmmg’s rifle is very similar to this. Their both a ar10/15 hybrids. I know this because I have one. And looked into both before the purchase
WHy not make the case longer and make it more powerful to fully utilize the size of the ar10 receiver? i mean it uses ar15 mags
That squirrel in my backyard won't know what hit him.
Hunting? What will be left to eat?
The emperor protects
Nice caliber!
You mean it has more energy than a .308 win by like 200ft lbs at the muzzle? Omg what a beast the cod kids will say.
well done!
Must have a shooting trajectory like a slingshot or catapult
looking amazing
Big Horn Armory is coming out with the AR500 Auto Max (500 s&w but rimless). that's gonna be the most powerful AR carbine. you can get 400 grains @ 2200 fps, 500 grains @ 1900 fps and 700 grains @ 1590 fps.
Wilson Combat superior quality, and design engineering. The Porsche of the FireArms Industry. Bill Wilson is the Walt Disney of the firearms industry. Vast variety in calibers, styles, etc. for 40 years. You remember true quality years after cost. Match Barrels and Match Triggers.
Lovely.
Awesome, can i have one? I’ll come get it right now. I live in Bentonville. Thanks
Dear Santa,... 😅😍
If I decide to go punkin hunting, this will be great😀😀
I like it
Love it been wanting an ar10 for a while now definitely going to look into the .458 as they use normal 556 mags. A 30rnd 223/556 mag will hold 10 458 rnds with no modifications it was specifically engineered that way it just goes from double stack staggered to single stack
Even with 7 or 8 rds. Its more than plenty of rounds in the magazine with this much power and so many readily available, high quality and low cost magazines.
Hammered.....
I sure wish it was designed with a straight wall cartridge so we could use it to whitetail hunt here in Ohio... .450 Bushmaster it is then.
Woow! LOTS of cavitation. Means LOTS of organ damage. KNOCK DOWN POWER BABY!!! Damn this round will bust that ass!
I'm sure it's impressive, but still falls short of the 500 Auto Max. 500 AUTO MAX (350 gr JHP 2,300 fps/ME 4,110 ft lbs) from Buffalo Bore's website.
Does it use standard Mag's?...if not the 458 socom is better ....you can keep it I want the Wilson combat in 358 winchester
I need this in my life
Needs a 30 round mag standard
If only it came with a thirty round magazine then I would take it
Yeah, having a 3 foot long, four-pounds loaded magazine sounds really practical.
a 30 round magazine in this caliber will be bigger than that 100-rounds quad stack magazine.
Would love a complete upper with some ammo since I imagine it's hard to find
7-10 rnd mags 🤣
Do they make one that's belt fed?
I need this!
Got get one
Cool idea! I hope it takes off. I'll wait though till i can afford a more generic gun and ammo i'm sure will be 3$ a round to start
ok so I need this with a 50 round drum and in an sbr platform. maybe with a few desert eagles on the rails for good measure.
And a c4 molded stock
Much excite
Pretty sure i dont need but i definitely WANT!
that'd be a great deer rifle
I only worry ammo won't always be available since its such limited production? What about getting ammo for it 10 years from now?
Without mentioning any cartridge names, since everyone has their favorite flavor.
Advertising muzzle energy is really meaningless unless the game you are hunting is 10 feet in front of you.
If you are comparing energy, run the ballistics and look at the energy at 200 yards which is a common range that most people will hunt out to because of terrain, trees, etc.
Most big bore bullets (429, .452. .458 and .499) have ballistic coefficients of .200 or below and will shed velocity and energy quickly. You can take a 300 grain in .499 and .452 calibers and launch at equal muzzle velocity with equal muzzle energy and the difference in energy at 200 yards will surprise you. Even if you increase the velocity of the .499 by 10% over the .452, the lower ballistic coefficient of .499 bullets compared to same bullet weight in .452 will still be something that will surprise at 200 yards.
Yum.
Very cool idea moder 45-70
One powerful round!!!
If someone made.A Bolt Action or Single Shot Rifle I might be interested in shooting that!
will any ar 15 mag work ... as in drums :)
Want it want it fuckin want it
I'm never going to be able to afford a Wilson hammer I thought there rifle start out at like $5000.00. ... I got to have one !!! LOL HA HA HA : )
Ok I want one.
Annnnd what was wrong with 458 socom?
I'm interested!
animals are not the problem. humans are
Hey how's your shoulder with that light rifle? Butt stock should be made by Bilstein.
Do these uppers mate to NATO lowers? Or do I gotta get the whole rifle?
I'd love to see some ballistics also. I can see it working for deer up close but I'm guessing at 200 yards you've lost a lot of energy due to the bullet shape. I'd also like to see more of the last slow mo clip. Seems like the guy finally managed the trigger and recoil better. That first shot was painful to watch with such a large trigger slap. Also, this weighs almost 8 pounds. I'm wondering if it kicks like a mule...
IT will ..
Yep. That's what I'd go "hunting" with. LOL.
Ok.. I'll bite.... difference between this and .458 Socom, Hammer, etc.....???
Street price??
WIlson? Same as saying '4 digits, and, for good measure, first digit is at least a 3...' :)
@@mdd1963 And thats just the ammo!
Looks awesome. I'll test it for you for free haha
Soon on DemolitionRanch
Want!!
Why would you need your "hunting rifle" to be able to stop a vehicle and shoot through walls?
Did deer suddenly start driving cars and living in condos?
voodazz guns aren’t for hunting you silly rabbit.
Thats like asking why anyone would need a car that does 200mph, it doesn't matter what YOU think people need or don't need its about America being a country where we can decide what we want, just because you may not like something doesn't mean you should make choices for others on what they should and shouldn't have.
Yayy it can break a cinderblock. Guess the ar caught up to my factory old arse ak