HMS Agamemnon - Guide 139 (Extended)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2019
- Nelson's favourite warship, the 64-gun Agamemnon, gets to take center stage today.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
I'm still kinda confused about how they counted the guns on a ship of the line. Is it the total number of guns on the ship? So, half on each side, and a couple of chase and stern cannons? I suppose I should look that up on wiki, shouldn't I? :)
Can you please give a list of your top 5 instances of Royal Navy peacetime trolling?
Can you make a video on battle of cape esperance?
The Temeraire? Maybe H.M.S. Captain if you’re going to continue to feature ships associated with Nelson?
Another ship review for the long list, the “ROU 20 Capitan Miranda” of the Uruguayan Navy.
PD: Keep up the excellent work you’re doing
"HMS Eggs and Bacon"
The Breakfast-class would have been quite the spectacle!
Maybe alongside HMS Baked Beans.
HMS Flapjack to the rescue!
“Lord, Lionel, it’s with great pride I commission you with our latest and most powerful ship, HMS Sunny-Side Up. Your orders are to sail south and join the battle fleet lead by Admiral Bickerstaff in the HMS Breakfast Burrito”
HMS Eggs and Bacon vs the French Ship Croissant.
HMS Kippers with Buttered Rusks and an Egg
Everyone: 64 Gun ships are no longer effective in the main battle line.
Agamemnon (spotting a ship with double it's gun count): Hold my beer!
Tea
You can hold your own piss warm beer.
Tell that to the 37-gun _Dreadnought._
Shouldn't that be "hold my lager/ale?" :)
It's the Royal Navy, so it would be "hold my grog".
Except that no RN sailor would part with his grog, of course.
Suspect that the Admiralty avoids assigning HMS Agamemnon to the same station or squadron as HMS Achilles.
Wrong and red-faced. I see by Wikipedia that HMS Achille, a 3rd rate named in the French manner, was also at Trafalgar, where HMS Achille exchanged broadsides with a French third-rate named Achille before going on to capture France's Berwick. I can't quite manage to misread Berwick as Briseis.
Jon Rolfson it was a JOKE.
A bloody good joke. Read the Iliad. Then youll get it.
@@sugarnads He was replying to himself. I am sure he is aware his joke was a joke.
@@polygondwanaland8390 Or maybe he forgot he made a joke and replied to it. This would be funny.
You sack of wine!
Before retiring last year at 70 I worked on the Astute class as a subject matter expert and one of my best friends is still the boat build manager for Agamemnon; she will be the best of the Astute class and the workforce and the RN still have trouble pronouncing her name; she will undoubtedly be still known as eggs and bacon when ship goes into service.
Kind regards
My respects sir. It's good that the Royal Navy remembers its heritage. May this Agamemnon live up to the name.
@@robertf3479 It will.
Thank you and kind regards
I don't know why it's hard to say Agamemnon. Aga mem non.
well be sure to invite him to the comments section then :)
@@emintey I got on with the name quite well but the shipyard lads (the grunts) always seemed to have a problem with the name; I am sure the RN sailors did out of tradition.
Kind regards
Amazing video as always......I can just imagine the battle of Trafalgar as a bar room brawl. And Agamemnon is the shortest guy in the bar, who has to stand on the bar just to be able to hit the taller guys and yet does so quite effectively and cheerfully. All the while happily singing a tune and chugging rum in between bouts of decking anyone who wanders by who is wearing the wrong colors.
Ships of war often tend to emulate the personality of the Commanding Officer, it seems Nelson's personality became a permanent part of Agamemnon's.
@@robertf3479 I wonder where Warspite got its fire and zeal from ?
@@admiraltiberius1989 From what I can find the name Warspite has been in use by the Royal Navy since the late 1500's or early 1600's though my information is sketchy at best. Maybe Drach could be talked into looking into the history of these ships?
Sooo, basically that scene from Return of the King where Merry and Pippin are dancing on the table, kicking over everyone's drinks?
Except it's a fight, not a party.
Fun fact: The Battle of Trafalgar wasn't the first time that Nelson had met Santisima Trinidad, in the Battle of Cape St. Vincent Nelson had managed to batter her into submission and forced her to strike her colors. He was however unable to properly secure her and she was towed away by the Spanish forces that survived the battle. At Trafalgar she was capture and then scuttled, she would remain the most heavily armed age of sail warship ever built the only ship that would have exceeded her in fire power would have been the HMS Duke of Kent a 170-Gun Super Heavy First Rate that the Royal Navy never built.
Ships as large and heavily armed as Santisima Trinidad were exceedingly rare. If memory serves 120 guns was usually considered the upper limit for wooden capital ships of the era, but everyone had to build at least one for prestige and national pride if for no other reason despite the incredible expense.
Even the post 1812 USN built one, the three decked USS Pennsylvania, rated at 130 guns (32 pounders throughout, long guns, Columbiads (halfway between a long gun and carronade) and carronades. The Columbiads had all the worst attributes of both long guns and carronades and had served as the upper gun deck guns in the few 74s the USN put into service post 1812. Most were landed and either cut down into carronades or were broken up, resmelted and recast as carronades. Pennsylvania herself to my unsure knowledge was never fully armed, only a relative handful were mounted for her one and only cruise from Pennsylvania to Norfolk Virginia.
Pennsylvania survived from completion in 1837 (authorized in 1816) until she was burned 20 April 1861 when the Gosport Navy Yard was surrendered to the Confederacy.
With a British captain and a british crew Santisima Trinidad would have shot the Brits to pieces.
@@hajoos.8360 True, even as early 1803 the Spanish Navy had been in decline. Real bad case of incompetence and mismanagement of resources.
@@adamdubin1276 The Spaniards built the best ships, but suffered under the nobles in the spanish society. A spanish comission was a bought privilege, public yachting. As in France spanish officers did not want to fight. In the battle of the Saintes, Drach mentioned it in the vid, you see the failure of de Grasse, who saw sea-warfare as a project. Rodney was no genius, but de Grasse had no aim to find him and to destroy the Brits. In the war of Independence the Brits were obiously lost, if there would not have been a lack of political will in France and Spain to destroy the Empire for once and forever. Check the fate of the best French admiral ever, Bali de Suffren, who was more british than the Brits. His officers were not willing to follow his ideas and orders. The secret of British sea-superiority lays behind one court-marshalled and shot british admiral, Mr. Byng, after he lost battle of Menorca. Even Admiral Hollands decision to attack immediatly the Germans at Denmark Strait in 1941, instead to wait for Norfolk & Suffolk, refers too this one judgement of 1757.
@@hajoos.8360 Executing Admiral Byng for cowardice influenced the thinking of British naval commanders for at least 200 years.
Old time sailors tend to think that ships have souls and personalities all their own. Every sailor who serves in one leaves a little bit of his soul with the ship and receives a bit of hers in return, or so the myth goes (or maybe it's true.) Ships of war often tend to emulate the personality of the Commanding Officer, it seems Nelson's personality became a permanent part of Agamemnon's.
The Astute class Agamemnon is going to have one hell of a legacy to live up to. May the best parts of the first Agamemnon's soul and personality come with the name.
There is something truly satisfying about the RN (And Commonwealth...and no doubt other Navies) tradition of naming new ships after old. This perhaps will reach its peak with the third of the Dreadnought Class subs being HMS WARSPITE. She will be the 8TH ship of the name... (Wow!) with 25 Battle Honours starting with Cadiz 1596. I served on the fourth HMAS SYDNEY (A modified Oliver Hazard Perry class FFG) in the Gulf War... she carried Battle Honours from her 3 predecessors..including "EMDEN 1914" (The Dresden class light cruiser sunk by HMAS SYDNEY (I), a Town Class Light Cruiser) and earned her own in the Persian Gulf.
The common Jolly Tar had a lot of trouble with ship names, the Bellerophon was always called the "billy ruffian."
I believe somewhere I read that Nelson was quite fond of the little Agamemnon, and thats where he first sailed with Thomas Hardy.
The Royal Sovereign was called "The Tiddley Quid". :)
These little vignettes are really wonderful....
That's quite the career.
Drachism: "...and not wanting to break a habit, ran aground *again*."
The Battle of Toulon is extremely important for the larger naval war, of course, but it's more commonly remembered as the first great victory of a certain Corsican artillery officer.
I remember about 20 years ago or so the History Channel I think it was did a great program on the HMS Agamemnon. Even as a kid I was impressed with such a vessel. I can’t find that documentary now sadly. Glad someone did this great ship the honor of telling its story.
only two words to say about this...'first class'
The Agamemnon? That's Captain Sheridan's ship. :)
I was wondering if someone would invoke _Babylon 5._
stanklepoot came for this comment. Was not disappointed.
Aw, I am a day too late.
Get the hell off my bridge/station/out of my galaxy!
Drachinifel can honor the future Starships named Enterprise, but not the future Agamemnon? (And he calls himself British!)
Who wants to bet, at some point, HMS Inconstant was actually nicknamed HMS Incontinent
Who knows, it kept getting mixed up with HMS Inconsistent.
USS Constellation (CV-64), USS Constipation. USS Kitty Hawk was 'Shi**y Kitty and there are literally millions of others, most amusing and some downright pornographic.
Incontinentia Buttocks you mean?
@Ron Lewenberg Or the story about Winston Churchill, while serving as First Lord of the Admiralty, wanting to name a battleship after William Pitt. King George V refused, he told Churchill he was making it too easy for the crew for the inevitable rude nickname. Churchill wrote back that he was shocked a king would think in such a way.
@@charvolth Somehow I don’t get what that nickname would be
Tough ship with a tough past meant she was run by tough men.
Many moons ago I listened to a TV program about a chap who had, under hypnosis been a matelot (and was killed) on a warship that he called "The Aggie". I instantly thought of the Agamemnon but the programme presenters explained that they could not find a ship "that had been called the Aggie"!
4:50 Oh go on then, I'll say it: "Hi Res Islands? Were they in 1040p?"
I'll get me coat...
Both sides had to wait fifteen minutes for buffering.
@@leeboy26 I now have an image of two battle fleets separated by a huge swirly icon...
#o))
Drachinifel, Sir - I enjoy your narratives enormously while learning/re-learning history. Thank you... and please don't let your channel 'run aground' ;)
Another beautiful ship of wood and sail.
Very well presented. I love naval history, and this channel. I'm an old Navy retiree who often feels akin to some of the more vintaged vessels depicted. Take care.
just btw, love the music and gun intro; really conjures a fleet of dreadnoughts
j ford
I recall another 'Agamemnon' being in a SciFi show (babylon5) as well. So the name has not been forgotten. EAS Agamemnon was Captain John Sheridan's ship before being transferred to babylon5 to replace Jeffrey Sinclair as the station's commanding officer. B)
Great Guide on the ship of the line Drach and crew. B)
Just want to say that you have one of the most epic intros for your video's
Jeez they got alot of use out of these warships back then
they had to as each one took 3-4 years to build!
Drach........ always great stuff. Thank you.
a workhorse, she did good some bad cards given but she did what was asked
Once again!. Pure history!. Love these videos!!!.
The events @ 7:34 and onwards definately brought a chuckle with the description. Bravo Sir.
That was one busy warship!
Simply fabulous!
Lovely video. Thanks!
Geez, did they give out battle honors back then? If so, how many was she given? If not, how many should she have been given?
EDITED: Sorry, "honours."
Just started reading the Aubrey-Maturin series so this shit is so cool to me
I think there are 21 books in the series. Very excellent readiing too. Probably time to revisit them I think.
Pity some one did not do a sequel to "Master and Commander", there is plenty material.
Odd that you didn't mention that she was commanded at the first Battle of Copenhagen by William Bligh of Bounty fame.
And here i thought it was an omega class destroyer for the earth Alliance :p
This guide fails to mention how Nelson was able to secure victory at Toulon, via smuggling telepaths onto the French vessels.
HMS Agamemnon, a pod laying battlecruiser, was Mike Henke's flagship at the Battle of Solon during the Sitzkreig phase of the Second Haven War. Lost, with all hands killed or captured by the Havenites.
@@gerardmdelaney I'm sure the Star Empire of Manticore will not let the name lapse. They are probably planning to reuse the name for a new SD(P)
@@johnfisher9692 i'm sure, since that was at least the third vessel to be named Agamemnon by the RMN.
Ramming speed :)
Ahh yes, HMS Eggs and Bacon; who sailed the seven breakfast tables and slayed many croissant and cereal!
Sausage torpedoes
HMS Bellerophon, known to sailors as the "Billy Ruffian"
Also the EAS Agamemnon will be an Omega class destroyer in the year 2256 and commanded by Captain Sheridan.
Damn I love these videos and what a ship. Going to have to watch Hornblower again :). Cheers
Nelson evidently handled her like a super-sized frigate......
Hello!! Maldonado is not a city in Brazil, it is a Uruguayan city. In fact, it is the city of Uruguay that receives the most tourists from all over the world per year.
Brasil, if you are going to be a pedant.
Wow . What a ripper of a boat .
A amazing ship with an illustrious career.
HMS Illustrious, an amazing ship with an Agamemnon career. No, does not work.
That ironclad footnote led me down a rabbit hole. What odd designs, the Ajax class. Two massive turrets and apparently they were still muzzle loaded even though they launched in the 1880s. Neither ships in the Ajax class saw any real action, other than some bad luck. The ironclad Agamemnon's crew was struck by dengue fever, 326 out of 406 were infected (why were these ships with so few guns so massive?!)
Ah, so you know Geoffrey Hunt's work? I've a signed copy of that with Surprise in mourning from shortly after O'Brien's passing...
What a beautiful ship!
I first read the ships name as HMS Armageddon
My sea cadet corps name.R.C.S.C.C. #48 Agamemnon.1920 to the present. Our crest,an arm ready to throw a spear. Windsor,Ontario,Canada
The astute attack submarine Agamemnon has the arm with a spear as your crest.
Kind regards
@@johnhargreaves3620 I'll have to try and find it online and see how close it is to the cadet version. Thanks for letting me know about it.
John, I checked it out and the crest are almost identical. There are really only two differences I found.1- The cadet versions arm is covered by a coat sleeve that is blue and green. 2- At the bottom of the roping around the edge the cadet one is red for 4 turns of the rope. Other than that it's spot on.
@@jimsquire9048 By tradition each crest is unique to the ship or boat in this case, they are fundamentally the same with slight differences to make them different. I think the crests were a replacement for the figureheads in the later years of steel warships.
Kind regards
Imagine being a young French student and deciding to study French naval history against the Royal Navy? How depressing that would be.
The only issue with this ship, and I'm surprised Drach didn't bring it up, is that you've got to sacrifice your daughter to get it to sail.
Heh
Excellent!
Agamemnon was also used as a ships name in such as the Babylon 5 TV show.
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Tough little lady, her only weakness was beaches.
I wonder whether the crew of the today Agamemnon submarine is aware, that every ship carrying that name in the past ran aground at least once in active service career.
Agamemnon 1781: see video
Agamemnon 1852: driven on the shore in the crimean war in a storm.
Agamemnon 1879: ran aground in the Sues-canal several times
Agamemnon 1906: struck an uncharted rock in the harbour of Ferrol, Spain
You'd think the French and Spanish would have gotten to the point of upon identifying the ship they're chasing is HMS Agamemmon they'd cut their losses and just let her be 😂
Lol. She grounded twice in the same place....lol
People serving on the Agamemnon would do well to remember how her namesake ended up: Murdered in the bath by his wife, Clytemnestra, and her lover, Aegisthus.
Avenged by his son Orestes, nicknamed 'Whore STD'!
7:26 as always, the Royal Navy is indistinguishable from a well-organized band of pirates. To remind everyone, in 1805-1806 Britain and the United States were NOT at war.
But was the US vessel supplying France? If so she might be fair prize.
pbrin “fair” perhaps per Orders in Council, or some other scrap of paper by which Great Britain arrogated to itself the right to regulate world trade via piracy. And it wasn’t just theft. In 1807 Great Britain’s HMS Leopard attacked the USS Chesapeake in the Atlantic. Had the Chesapeake been even a little less unlucky and even a little better prepared for such a sneak attack, that affair might not have turned out the same way. Either way, the fledgling US Navy ended up teaching the British a thing or two about piracy over the following few years.
Here because of Naval Action, best age of sail game ever.
Ooh really? Game that is now just cashcrab via "dlc's",non-existent playerbase which falled from steady 4k players to now maybe best 500? Or cocky and incompetent devs? Not to mention that game is now forced to play in clan,singleplayer in pvp server is no go.or the final straw that community is toxic as fck mainly because devs are toxic as fck too, banning players from forum if you say anything negative on game development which again suck like thai ladyboi...(and yes,i have(had)nearly 3000hrs with NA .
Fck NA and those pesky half-assed lying dckhead half-russian devs.
@@jkarra2334 Not at all. DLCs are not v significant, most in game ships are better. Player base is at over 1k in pvp server and growing now that it has been released as a full game.
@@B.D.E. you really dont understand how certain dlc's combined to alt accos work...listen i dont know how much you have hours in game, i have 2930.
Paying for dlc which allows you to change nation and name every 30 days is HUGE bonus to alt acco users.
Yes, i know/knew players which played with more than 2 alts, worst with +5 accos...
Go and look the price of game and dlc's like in russias steam.
Game is just broken shit compared what it was in high tide when there were almost 5k players in weekends(time when you bought flags in order to get port battle)
Also try to understand that game is now clan based game,totally.you just cant do shit anymore by playing alone.bigger clans decide nations destiny leaving small clans and soloers outside.
Trust me, i played since closed beta and always under same nation.there was always good relations between clans and single players,also had nation representatives who led nations goals and shared info between clans and timed co-op teamwork.
Only thing i see now is bad game with newer players who hadnt seen what game was before devs decided to not to listen playerbase instead they left only hardcore wannabe ssilors ingame.
One word on dlc's still.they are laughable overpriced.devs just cashcrab idiots for their next upcoming sailing rts game....
@@jkarra2334 Lots of rambling, don't care to respond to each point individually. All I will say is that I've been playing since day 1, had my doubts during development, but now that it's out, can confirm that it's the best age of sail game ever made. Your thousands of hours in game only suggests that you must have also loved it, and are now burned out. Otherwise you have bigger issues to deal with. I'd say that was your mistake for not waiting till it came out of early access like I did, no game survives thousands of hours of gameplay. You got more than your money's worth, and seem to expect more than is healthy from a video game.
Hello love your programs I was wondering if you could do anything on the hms leviathan circa battle of Trafalgar and also on admiral Bayntun of which he commanded this ship in Trafalgar thank you
She hit the earth so much, she could be an American battleship
Were still waiting for voyage of the damned part 2 Drac.
Captain Sheridan awaits the Minbari.
Ran a ground was this ship trying to be an amphibious assault ship
When the Great eastern was engaged upon laying the first trans-Atlantic cable she had a tender-an old wooden wall. I am sure it was called the Agamemnon.
But The Agamemnon was number 7, not 8, in Nelson`s column (!) according to the layout map of ships you showed?
Also, Agamemnon was the name of the ship captain Sheridan went into battle with in the final battle of the Earth Civil War on Babylon 5.
These things are important.
You forgot to mention the Omega class EAS Agamemnon.
HMS Agamemnon during Battle of Trafalgar : _'Sup bitches, what's good?_
Nelson's most beloved ship, which is the evidence that Nelson had not so many ideas about ships. At the battle of Copenhagen the Brits scratched all 64s together and were happy that they had some left. Agamemnon was a unlucky ship, obviously the most expensive ship in the history of the RN. Most time the ship spended in refitting actions.
best ship name ever
Eggs and bacon......
Are you sure the crew called her that ?
Anyways.
Thanks for a great show!
Cheers!
Guessing that this would be roughly the type of ship that my great, great grandfather came to North America in. Port in England to Halifax Canada in 1836. He was from Scotland.
Poor frogs.
Could you do a video on the Santisima Trinidad?
You should make a playlist of sailing ships.
Age of sail version of HMS Warspite
That name never stops to confuse me lol
It’s just such a great name for any vessel of war - how can you NOT reuse it?
And eventually the EAS Agamemnon will be captained by John Sheridan.
Someone suggested that the difficult name was simplified to 'am and eggs in the same way that Polyphemus became Polly Infamous and Bellerophon as Billy Ruffian
You forgot the destroyer on Babylon 5 named Agamemnon... well... you included star trek for the Enterprise 🤣
Do you have a documentary of the HMS Bellona?
How does the wave motion gun on the Argo work?
such busy ship - but this is not uncommon for the Royal Navy Ships ...
Wiki says she had 2x 9pdrs on forecastle, were those bow chasers primarily, part of the broadside, or interchangeable?
Enjoyable as always but please no more "the HMS". It's either HMS Agamemnon or the Agamemnon. Thank you.
And, of course, in 2261 was a leading vessel in ending the Earth Alliance Civil War, under its second most famous captain...
I live by a simple rule: If you save the whole galaxy, you get top billing.
Which series?
@@randomguy-tg7ok Babylon 5.
@@randomguy-tg7ok Babylon 5
I've become quite adept at skipping the intro...
Wow, there were so many naval actions. Shame there are so few movies about this period.
Ok, I was pretty sure I had a decent grasp on the different bits of sail in the various sail configurations of antiquity but what, in the name of Nelson, is going on with the tiny rectangle bits strung between the yards? Those are just for show, right?
Maybe it is unknowable but...
Is there any way to find out who is the sailor on the signal light at 0:16-0:17 in your intro?
Is there a story to tell about him?
Could you please make a video about Thomas Cochrane?
Have you already done HMS Billy Ruffian? Linky?
What a story! Those were times when men were Men.
1:23 What's those "streamers" waving al the way along the ship?
How about some episodes on the histories of RN shore facilities?
Andrew Mitchell Soon they will be the only RN ships left. ‘A magnificent navy on land’...
1:30 what are all those ropes holding cloth on the sides of the ship?
They may have been holding hammocks hung out to dry. She seems becalmed. Hammocks were occasionally washed. If I recall my Patrick O'Brian correctly, stored sails were sometimes scrubbed of mildew and hung out to dry, which we may also be seeing.
I understand hammocks were also rigged to provide some protection from small-arms fire for the men on deck during battle
@@CharlesStearman Yes. Hammocks were rolled up when not in use, and these rolled up hammocks were brought up and placed as a kind of wall around the perimeter of the deck before battle.
Can not recall which (IJN carrier?) vessel had mattresses affixed to Her superstructure.