HMS Revenge - Guide 120
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- The Revenge class, last of the Royal Navy's pre-WW1 dreadnought battleships, are today's subject.
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
How would things have been different if the british built all of the ship from the queen elizabeths,R class and Y class as planned. also would this change been better or worse.
What effect on the post WW1 fleet would be had if the revenge class had been built to reach the same speed as the Queen Elizabeth class? Also what would have happened if the british had decided to develope a longer 50-55 caliber gun instead of the 16 inch seen on the Nelson class?
Do the history of Fort Drum in the second world war.
Some of the most memorable stories are those of truly epic failure.
So...let's talk about failures.
Aside from your personal favorite flag lieutenant Seymour and the unsung genius in command of the _Kamchatka_ ...who would you say were the absolute most inept naval officers you've ever encountered in your research?
So, let me start by asking this rather difficult question: what do you think is the most effective warship built during the world wars, in terms of offensive and defensive capability, and second, (this was frequently asked within my comment replies) how do you manage to create multiple vidsos within a relatively short amount of time, and if you do UA-cam as a way fo life.
RIP Drach's great uncle
Press F for respect
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And the 850 others that perished on her including 150+ teenage boys.
Memory eternal.
Hear, Hear!
This is probably the first time I’ve seen a history enthusiast cover a topic they have personal connections to.
NoZoupForYou had a relative on a WWII warship. He mentioned it once in one of his videos.
If you want another, check out Jeremy Clarkson's documentary on the Victoria cross. In it he covers the story of how his father in law won one
The Mad Hammer oooh, that sounds interesting to watch. Especially because Jeremy Clarkson.
Glupi Medo no way! I didn’t know that! My great-grandfather served aboard the USS Oklahoma, surviving Pearl Harbor thanks to weekend shore leave. Thus, he wasn’t aboard the Oklahoma when she capsized.
If he didn’t survive, I wouldn’t exist, which really put a lot of things in perspective.
Josiah Ricafrente: If you want another, check out Ludovic Kennedy´s "The Life and Death of the Scharnhorst" - BBC 1971 (remastered) here on youtube.
Ludovic Kennedy´s father Edward Coverley Kennedy (RN) was Captain of HMS Rawalpindi, sunk by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau on 23. November 1939.
Whilst patrolling north of the Faroe Islands on 23 November 1939, HMS Rawalpindi investigated a possible enemy sighting, only to find that she had encountered two of the most powerful German warships, the battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, which had been conducting a sweep between Iceland and the Faroes. Rawalpindi was able to signal the German ships' location back to base. Despite being hopelessly outgunned, 60-year-old Captain Edward Coverley Kennedy RN of Rawalpindi decided to fight, rather than surrender as demanded by the Germans. He was heard to say "We’ll fight them both, they’ll sink us, and that will be that. Good-bye".
The German warships sank Rawalpindi within 40 minutes. She managed to score one hit on Scharnhorst, which caused minor splinter damage. 238 men died on Rawalpindi, including Captain Kennedy. Thirty-seven men were rescued by the German ships, a further 11 were picked up by HMS Chitral (another converted passenger ship). Captain Kennedy - the father of naval officer, broadcaster and author Ludovic Kennedy - was posthumously Mentioned in Dispatches. Crew members on Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were eligible for the High Seas Fleet Badge for participating in the sinking of Rawalpindi.
“Here you are Stalin, a battleship for you. I want her back without a scratch you hear?”
*some time later*
“You said nothing about rust comrade!”
Great respect for HMS Revenge 🇬🇧
Great respect for history...Great respect for good future 🇵🇱🤝🇬🇧 🕊️
May God bless Drachs great uncle, one of those victims of the 2nd World War at sea. Half masts to him.
“The Revenge-class reverted back to the older 21kt speed”
That explains why she’s slow in Atlantic Fleet
I thought the Queen Elisabeth came after the Revenge because it Atlantic Fleet
@Janus Caelum yes we exist
But at the same time its one of the nice looking ships in the game and there is also the range
20+ or 20<
Why can't we adjust the range of ships
@Jurassic Aviator let's hope guns ain't allergic to 15 inch guns like king George the v class battleships
In custom battles...
My favorite in this class is Ramillies, nearly had to fight the Scharnhorst AND Gneisenau while escorting a convoy. She nearly had to sail to intercept Bismarck and Prinz Eugen alone. Fought with Warspite in the Indian Ocean and survived a torpedo strike whilst in harbor. Took part in D day and Dragoon before being put into retirement
Some time ago I would guess around 1990 I attended a lecture on battleships at the Liverpool Maritime Museum. I particularly remember comment by an RN veteran who served in the Indian Ocean, he said; "When we sailed we never knew what we were doing or where we were going, but we knew it was something serious when they left the old battleships behind."
Interesting additional fact about HMS Revenge: in October 1940 she thumped the invasion barges that the Germans had assembled in the port of Cherbourg. It would appear that the Germans weren't alone in sending capital ships "dashing" into the English Channel under the nose of enemy heavy shore batteries. Revenge got away with it, too, without so much as a scratch, and managed to drop 120 15" shells onto the harbour.
In the Soviet Navy she had the awesome name of "Archangel" (Arkhangelsk).
These were some of the best looking, best aesthetically proportioned battleships, and the best named ones too.
Should we start referring to particularly knackered ships as having "a few soviet miles on her"?
Nope, those are referred to as Premiere Soviet First Class ... as they are still leagues ahead of whatever floating disaster the Russians push down the slipway.
A special on naval superstitions would be fun and entertaining
I will say, this class of battleships had some pretty cool names. Royal Oak is quite the hearty name! My respects to your great-uncle, Drach
Also easiest to write
I have massive respect for the Brits and the one thing they know how to do better then other navies is they know how to give ships badass names.
I am quite fond of the R class, Ramillies saved a convoy from certain doom by seeing off the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau . Her presence forced the German Battlecruisers to turn away, they were under orders not to engage enemy Battleships. Had they engaged, the old Ramillies's 15 inch guns would have cost them dearly even if they did manage to sink her and destroy the convoy, they most likely would be too damaged to make it back to home waters. They would have been tracked down and destroyed by the Home fleet, as Bismarck was.
Godspeed all sailors lost, may your Great Uncle rest in peace. Thank you.
I'm fairly sure the German battlecruisers handily out ranged the Ramillies and they certainly had the speed to choose the range. But, as you said, they weren't allowed to engage and so turned away. Similar story when they ran from HMS Renown.
@@katrinapaton5283 And from HMS Malaya.
@@katrinapaton5283 do you have a source that suggests the 11in guns on those ships outrange the 15in guns on the Revenge class?
@@arthurfisher1857 Well firstly the R class battleships were not modified between the wars and so had less range than the modified Queen Elisabeth class ships. According to Wikipedia, "During the battle (of Clabria HMS)Warspite achieved one of the longest range gunnery hits from a moving ship to a moving target in history, hitting Giulio Cesare at a range of approximately 24 km (26,000 yd), the other being a shot from Scharnhorst which hit Glorious at approximately the same distance in June 1940."
@@katrinapaton5283 while the R class didn't have thier turrets modified they did still have comparable range to the QE's as they were issued supercharges (on a side note the only ship to have modified turrets and also be issued supercharges was Vanguard)
One of the rusted turrets should also be preserved as a testament to Soviet naval incompetence...
More like a lack of resources, both human and material. 80% of German casualties in WW2 were on the eastern front. The Soviets were throwing everything they had at the Wehrmacht on land. The primary purpose of Royal Sovereign/Arkhangelsk was as a deterrent.
The Russian naval power being an eternal joke from Tsushima all the way to the 21 century with the loss of Moskva
I've always viewed the R Class as the poor relation compared to the Queen Elizabeth and Renown classes, but it sounds like they were a very successful design, proven by how long they all served. Like the Queen Elizabeth's and Renowns, the R class are handsome ships, at least to my eyes. Excellent work Drach.
In some respects they were considered disposable. If they were lost, it would not be as much of a blow as losing one of the more modern ships. So they were sent all over the place.
Very true, and the Royal Navy did put the ships in scenarios they wouldn't have dared risk a Queen Elizabeth in, but that's what I (now) admire; these were a cheap and cheerful disposable battleship that was actually so effective my perception is now "God help us if we hadn't had these", the same praise the Flower class Corvettes get: cheap, disposable, but dammed effective and keep front line units in the front line.
@@deaks25 Makes you wonder, was it worth the cost of the more expensive battleships? Naval warfare pre-carrier just seemed like a numbers game of having enough ships with big enough guns.
@@5000mahmud The advantage to the KG Vs and the 10 USN fast battleships was they could operate with carrier task forces. One problem that plagued the IJN was the heavy force not being able to operate with the carriers, reducing the AA protection to the task force.
@@timclaus8313 wouldn’t it be more cost effective to just produce cheaper, more numerous AA cruisers to protect carriers?
Parts of the revenge's gun steering mechanism were used to build the Lovell telescope at Jodrell bank in Cheshire U.K.
We all tend to forget about the individuals who are lost in war. Till they are someone we know, or someone we love knows.
Wars are fought by people with souls, whom are loved.
Wars are started by people whom thoughts of power and glory deprive them of a soul.
*Who
I'll delete this comment once you change it :)
and *whose in the final line
I was always fascinated by these ships. You never see much mention of them outside of Royal Oak's unfortunate end. All the attention goes to the KGVs or Nelsons or the QEs, but these seem like pretty decent workhorse vessels, even if they were kind of worn out by the end of their service lives.
Yup
According to Jane's Battleships of the 20th Century, the extra-large anti-torpedo bulges fitted to Resolution raised her metacentric height to a point where her roll was considered adverse to good fire control. She gained the moniker: "Rolling Reso".
So hard to get excellence within Communist systems. When you have no incentive for excellence you seldom provide any and that almost cost Russia their victory in WWII. Still their response was generally to allow as many to die as the Germans had bullets thus winning by default.
This was intended to respond to another comment...sorry. And UA-cam rolls merrily along.
Lol
I'm sorry to hear about you losing your great uncle on the Royal Oak. I remember reading about Gunther Prien and the Scapa Flow raid when i was just a small kid, maybe nine or so. I was shocked then, and am still still shocked now, that U-39 was able to sneak into what was the most heavily defended naval base in England, sink the Royal Oak, and sneak out again unscathed. Talk about a wake up call for the RN defenders.
Sar Jim - a couple of geography lessons for you. 1) Scapa Flo is not in England. 2) Englandshire is the most southern county in Scotland.
@@gordonmac3616 Okay, I'll change it to the United Kingdom then. As far as I know, Scotland still isn't an independent country. And a spelling lesson for you. It's "Flow", not "Flo".
Blockade ship not doing its job properly
U-47
It's Saturday morning and we have *****TWO!!!!!**** Guides! My day is already complete!
Even if I never met your Great Uncle I would like to thank him for serving his country and helping in the fight against the Axis.
I read it on the internet: On hearing of the cancellation of the Resistance, the commander of HM Dockyard, Devonport, is supposed to have said "Resitance is futile."
@Drachinifel I love the Revenge class battleships. My favorite class of British battleships.
Thank you for your final comment in this video as a child I lived for a while in Lambeth and played in the park behind the London Imperial war museum I always wondered where the guns originally came from ;-))
Great video as usual! I am sorry about your great uncle, he served his ship really great. May he, and all the other Sailors of the Royal Oak Rest In Peace.
Awesome as alwys Drach
Although not regarded as 'glamorous' ships the R class gave invaluable service and were able to scare off German raiders while protecting valuable convoys.
Revenge, the only dreadnought to take part in the Battle of Britain !?!
(If the BoB is defined as operations against the proposed German invasion in 1940).
Revenge was the only capital ship based on the South coast. (Plymouth). On the 17th of September she was deployed to bombard the invasion fleet at Cherbourg (Operation Medium) Unbeknownst to the Admiralty, the Germans had scrapped Operation Sealion two days before.
"Revenge". Now that's a badass name for a battleship.
At least the Royal Sovereign only had it's turrets rusted solid, it could have had a large crane living on its deck as well.
Or being first battleship to be lost...which should have been ra rami ramiels i thought germans were only who had ships that are impossible to write guess i was wrong
When you forgot to Design a bridge and quickly do it before the teacher collects your homework.
Had the pleasure of seeing those guns in RL back in 2017.
I knew they were there, and hadn't told my little (2 years younger) brother of them being there.
His reaction, understandably, was all I had hoped for.
Ship Request: Ft. Drum, Manila Bay (the concrete battleship)
Ditto. ( AKA El Fraile Island. )
My own great-uncle died in the Meuse-Argonne campaign of WWI. How often we have similar experiences or losses in war time. Bless your uncle's memory.
That’s a wicked looking battleship.
I love how the RN named ships.
Same here and well the original ship this HMS Revenge was named after had a rather more colourful career haha, check out his video on the Elizabethan galleon of the same name
You didn't mention the underlying problem the Rs had in relation to their later lack of modernisation. The lack of stability at increased draught.
I never knew what those guns in front of the Imperial War Museum were when I visited back in 2012.
Do they not have any kind of sign or plaque explaining their origin? Sad.
@@andrewp8284 Yes its attached to the concrete plinth they are sat on.
I ❤ the Revenge class battleships.
Awesome video, as always. Ironic that a ship named Royal Sovereign was loaned to the Soviet Navy. Maybe that's why they didn't use her guns. 😃
Most likely just a lack of personnel and material. The Soviets were stretched pretty thin and throwing everything they had at the Germans on land. The main purpose of Royal Sovereign/Arkhangelsk was as a deterrent.
Her battle ensign with shell holes is in St Just church cornwall.
Royal Sovereign and Ramilles I think still had some use after scrapped, their gun elevation mechanisms were used in the Lovell telescope, and, if I'm not mistaken, they're still there to this day.
And I especially like Royal Sovereign over all other british ships, she's the ship that made me take interest into WW1~2 naval history.
This is by far the most complimentary review I've ever seen or read of the "Revenge" class. Some reviews talk about the ship's amour scheme making it next to impossible to do a proper rebuild. Makes one wonder just exactly why these ships were not given more attention, as the U.S. did try to keep their old battleships useful.
Because any resources that the Royal Navy had at its disposal in between the wars were better used on the Queen Elizabeth class, at least that was decision taken.
@@padurarulcriticsicinic4846 True enough. It's hard to remember, but the Brits were seriously strained after WWI. And I'm sure that the Q.E.s speed advantage didn't help the argument.
@@padurarulcriticsicinic4846 That andthe QEs, NelRods and KGVs were more necessary in the long run.
The US limited more advanced and extensive mods to the New Mexico, Tennessee and Colorado class ships. The Wyoming, New York, Nevada and Pennsylvania classes all would have been rapidly replaced by the 10 fast battleships. The RN was focusing resources on the KGV and Illustrious class ships. If the war had not intervened, expect the Rs would have been moved into reserve status as the KGVs came on line.
@@timclaus8313 Indeed. Nevada and Pennsylvania were given what was needed to keep them useful, and Arkansas, New York, and Texas a bit less so given the limits of their designs (and I wouldn't be surprised if the older ships propulsion systems didn't work against them also).
Drach explains why the R class hadn't been updated like the QEs - there was no plan to do so because they were to be replaced by the KGVs instead...if the war hadn't started, one would have been paid off as each KGV joined to keep the RN within the Washington Treaty limit of 15 capital ships.
War Gaming/World Of Warships/World Of Warships Legends should add one of the Revenge classes to the games
RIP Drachs great uncle
God stuff Drach. The R-class is one I knew little about until now.
My Grandfather served aboard HMS Revenge. Pretty awesome to see this video!! Thanks mate!!!
I only watch your videos when it comes to this topic, no one makes these videos better than you. Top job!
Germany: Builds navy.
UK: How cute.
Drach - the fact that your great-uncle went down with the Royal Oak (bless his memory) leads me to wonder. Has naval service been a family tradition? My father fought in WW2, but let’s just say he actively discouraged his boys from following in his footsteps...
Could you do HMS Devastation and HMVS Cerberus please?
I started watching your stuff a few years back, my great uncle went down with Repulse. Did you know that part of HMS Revenge and HMS Royal Sovereign live on at Jodrell Bank? I didn't until a couple of weeks ago!
The British really had a knack in naming their warships.
I wonder if there was ever a capital ship named H.M.S. Annihalllation, Destruction or Devastation
They also had HMS Terror, HMS Vesuvius and HMS Erebus, which was another name for hell in Greek mythology
@@johnlavery3433 Although Terror and Erebus are more known for an utterly disastrous arctic expedition, rather than for any prowess in battle
Honestly I wish we had a HMS Franklin or HMS/LÉ Francis Crozier. Crozier is probably the most accomplished explorer and sailor in Irish history and our navy named a ship after James Joyce before naming one after him
Not a bad looking battleship. Thankx for sharing.
My father served on HMS Royal Sovereign (amongst many others) in WW2, when it underwent a refit in Philadelphia.
I love the camo schemes these ships have. I would like to see them in color.
Also my sympathies for your Great Uncle. I am very impressed that a historian has actual living connections to a ship, and a battle. Personally, I have no idea what my family did during the war.
Stay a couple of miles from where the Royal Oak lays,know the story very well,sorry for the loss
That line drawn under the Anglo German race looks like it was a bit squiggly in places.
I have a friend whose father was a marine on the Royal Oak, and survived the torpedoing in Scapa Flow.
One for the Q&A, what sort of records are there for fastest ship construction? I know the US was almost printing convoy ships for the Atlantic convoys with a normal 10 day construction cycle but had a few launched in only 6 or 7. What about combat focused ships? Age of sail in general? What about WW1 and 2?
The thing with cargo ships is that your using the minimum of materials for the hull and your making what is basically a box, sticking an engine in the back and another box on top for the crew to sleep in. If your feeling really adventurous stick some dual purpose guns on top, prefereably obsolescent ones the navy don't need any more.
theyre cheap and they have small crews so theyre a disposable asset although you'll regret the loss of the cargo.
those PR builds of a B24 in a day or liberty ship in two days or whatever the record was are fine for getting the workers enthused but some poor sod has to go out in it afterwards, would you trust the build quality?
Many liberty ships had some sort of construction faults, you cant take that risk with a warship that has to hold guns, precision aiming equipment, be able to take incoming fire, manouver at speed, operate high tech communication and surveilance equipment (for the era) and do it relentlessly.
Theres small warships you economise on, corvettes were notorious for being cheap quick builds but anything else you take your time and you do it right!
The large caliber guns can take longer to complete than the ships themselves.
RIP your great uncle. May he restin peace.
Your uncle was on the royal oak...... salutes...
Revenge and Royal Soverign apparently had other mementos saved. According to Wikipedia, they each contributed a turret ring to the 250 foot diameter Lovell Telescope.
My respectful appreciation to your Great-uncle - “in saving us, himself he could not save”.
I know it’s a 5 minute guide, but it would have been useful to include mention the R Class’s greatest moment of danger - in 1942 in the Indian Ocean, when they faced Admiral Nagumo’s carrier fleet. In hindsight, the British plan to make a night air strike with 24 or so Swordfish on Nagumo’s fleet seems like poking an angry tiger with a kitchen knife. The fleets actually missed each other by accident. Had the Japanese aerial scouts found Somerville’s fleet, all of the R class (along with Warspite and Indomitable) could have rapidly suffered the same fate as the US BBs at Pearl Harbour, which would have been a terrible disaster with extremely heavy loss of life and little prospect of rescue for survivors. The ease and rapidity with which Hermes, Cornwall and Dorsetshire were sunk clearly points to the likely outcome. The R class ships (except the already lost Royal Oak) all still had their original 2-3” deck armour which would not have stopped a 500 lb bomb from a Japanese Val dive bomber, and of course Japanese air-launched torpedoes had already shown what they could do to even modern BBs. The R Class were very vulnerable to air attack and should never have been risked in this way, and Churchill was very lucky they were not all sunk, a catastrophe which probably would have brought down his Government. The decision to withdraw them to East Africa before they could be massacred was not taken a moment too soon. With hindsight, the undoubted bravery of their officers and men must have been mixed with considerable degree of ignorance about the risks they were running in tangling with the full 6 big Japanese carriers.
I may be wrong, but i remember Churchill calling them coffin ships.
I once was taken to iwm London when I was about 10 maybe a little younger, and talked to a guy about subs and now, I find out that those are the same type of gun from a ship that was sunk by a u-boat.
God I wish I could afford an "I see torpedo boats" hoodie.
Those are epic!
Great video, but I have to ask... why is this the second Guide 119. The Florida also says 119.
Press *"F"* to pay respect for this man's great uncle.
*F*
I remember reading about one of these in the med, the Germans were all excited on the airwaves believing they had damaged her, in reality she was desperately trying to catch up to the action and making vast amounts of smoke doing so. They were good ships, it was a little unfair for Churchill to call them "too old to fight and too slow to run away", they were still dangerous to any battleship.
At about 4:35-40 along the picture shows Barham a Queen Elizabeth class.
What was the standard stock of revenge on an R-class battleship? Was in larger compared to the Elisabeths? Lizzy was after all a very competent at revenge.
Great video,. But, at 4m38, is that not a picture of HMS Barham?
I like ships.
4:50 plus Royal Oak has her final remaining torpedo tubes and was THEN given four experimental torpedo tubes on her hull slightly forward of A-turret. Which you can see at 1:40, 2:00, 5:15, 5:30, and 5:45. Odds enough Royal Oak was the only one to receive the torpedo tubes after the original tubes were removed
Any chance you might do something on the Ship that was designed and ordered as the Loch Class Frigate HMS Loch Mochrum, but was actually laid down as a Bay Class Frigate HMS Pegwell Bay, however, after her launching, she was Towed to HM Dockyard Devonport for conversion and fitting out, and finally commissioned as the Survey Vessel HMS Cook A307
I always found it interesting that in the interwar period (as well as WW2) that Royal Oak’s forward/bridge design looks completely different from the other Revenges, who had a more curved style look.
How about a video on HMS Polyphemus, the only steam ram in the Royal Navy.
Very interesting video, Question, why did some of the navy’s ships have three anchors 👍.
Should you ever do a remake of this video I think, if you have one, you should put a picture of your great uncle in there.
What ship is in the foreground on the right side at 4:05? Am i seeing this correct, a single front turret, a turret amidships and then 2 turrets aft one being superimposed. That seems a strange turret configuration and i play Rule the Waves alot.
Think that's the HMS Neptune or one of the Colossus type Dreadnoughts there are 5 turrets but 2 are wing turrets so are hard to make out. Its the shape just aft the final smoke stack.
Do you actually mean 4:13? It looks like either HMS Nelson or HMS Rodney to me, they had three turrets on the foredeck - it's certainly not an R class.
@@fredfarnackle5455 No David, i had the correct time stamp listed. Im very familiar with the Nelson Class BB's, i think anyone that loves BB's knows of the Nelson's.
@@aussiemilitant4486 It does look like a neptune type of ship!
What effect did the flying-off platforms have on the turret gunnery operations? Seems it would be "limiting" as best.
These were intentionally easily removable should the turret be required for more 'traditional' use.
Flying off a turret gives you the ability to launch into the (apparent) wind without having to change the ship's path if moving at some angle into the wind, as long as there's still clearance to other bits of the ship. At least, I think this would be good reason to fly from a turret.
@@davidb6576 Yes, I knew that. My question was what was the effect on turret operations given it was not designed to be used with the platform.
fun fact
the last ww1 survivor was on this boat
Which one?
Amazing channel for lovers of Warships. You are a historian?
Was it true the the Royal Sovereigns turrets while rusted into place?? Also were loaded and the shells were to rusted into place??
Royal Sovereign and the US cruiser Milwaukee (Omaha-class) were transferred to the USSR temporarily until the Italian battleship Giulio Cesare could be as war reparations (Stalin wanted it now and the western allies were concerned with actually finishing the war first before dividing up the spoils). One of Royal Sovereign's aft turrets were rusted in place and the ship was barely seaworthy upon return to the UK in 1949, interestingly Milwaukee was in decent shape upon her return to the US for scrapping.
@@williammagoffin9324 If i am not mistaken, Western Allies did not want to give one of the Littorio class Battleships to the USSR and sent Royal Sovereign to keep the Soviets quiet.
Surely the top story was shells rusted in firing position.
BTW.. I wish to ask you dear sir a question? If you sound English you have H.M.S. Splendid on your icon of a sailor for you great channel why is your channels main reference name "Drachinifel" sounds Germen then English? Just asking : )
Been to Scapa flow, seen HMS Royal Oak menorial as well as the RBL with her plaque and flag, not far from where HMS Vanguard exploded in 1917, supposedly one of the crew survived both by mere chance though U-47 didnt last long....
Prien should have had HMS Warspite too, while patroling off Narvik, but the unreliable early war torpedoes meant Warspite's crew didn't even know she'd been attacked.
Given the fact that they were Pre WW 1 Dreadnoughts it is supprising what atractive, gracefull and Modern looking Battleships they are.
Very respectfully, the Renown and Repulse were not, "eventually totally redesigned," as battlecruisers. They were battlecruisers from the start, and were a distinct class from the R-class battleships. That's probably what you meant to say, but as it came out it sounds like you're saying that they were derived from the R-class. Really, only the names were reused since they were already approved.
Well, names and much of the basic materials and guns already brought together for their 'original forms' :)
@@Drachinifel Really, only the names and part of the main battery. Everything else was totally new. Even Jackie Fisher in his wildest moments wouldn't have tried remaking an R-class battleship into a heavier, much faster 30-plus knot battlecruiser. What he did do was pressure Churchill and Parliament into changing the contracts for the last R-class ships into a totally new class of battlecruisers. It was only post-Jutland that the decision was made to actually do so in light of battlecruiser losses in that battle.
Different hulls, different powerplants, different everything except the turrets and the names. Again, a totally new design.
Always liked the look of the R's over the QE's, until the QE's refits. then I get conflicted lol
I could see these being coal ships in WOWS
Nerf the accuracy slightly, Nerf the AA into the ground, and call it tier 5? Or Buff the Torpedo Protection heavily and have it be tier 6? :)
I would say a t5 premium
At tier 5, they would overmatch the bow plating of anything in their matchmaking spread. I'd rather find a way to balance them at tier 6 and leave guaranteed overmatch to the Yamato class.
@@bfrobin446 at T6-7 15 inch guns are overmatching anything too.
Александр Шугаев The T6 ships with 15-inch guns can still see T8 games, which will have some ships that they don’t overmatch.
This is really a bigger topic than just a Q&A question, but you mentioning mopping-up Vichy French bases brought it to my mind.
Do you have any sources on Bernard Peter de Neumann, the only man convicted of piracy during World War 2? His story is ridiculous, and while he has a Wikipedia page (which made me extremely interested in him), most of the source links on it are broken.
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To our realatives that never came home from the sea
His great uncle? This makes it personal
Underwater torpedo tubes? What advantage did that confer, since (in daylight, at least) the torpedo wake would reveal when they were launched and their track, anyway.
Don't take up deck space. Better protected.
Thank you-- now I recall floatplanes on warships feeding fires with their tanks of aviation gas. We can only imagine the chaos from detonation of several 1,000 pound torpedo warheads-- that is more destruction than a major caliber naval shell..
@@bobgreene2892 Yeah. Often DDs and CLs would basically be erased from existence when their deck torpedo launchers were hit.
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A good example would be IJN Chokai, 25 October 1944.
Never properly modernised, had some coal firing, had to be given anti torpedo bulges after the war, which didn't save the Royal Oak. Not sure what to think of them. They served the country well at Jutland.
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Loaning the Soviets a ship called Royal Sovereign...cheeky bastards.