shockingly annoying that there are still recordings out there from the early beatle days we've yet to hear, either hoarded by collectors, held by apple, or rotting in boxes in attics or such.
My bass players dad was the cameraman for this in ‘62. He worked for Granada TV. Then he did it again when they appeared for “Scene at 6:30” in November ‘63.
@@josephguerra703 I was told by my band mate that at the Cavern, his dad talked to John briefly when he asked if they were too loud and was his cheeky self. For the “Scene at 6:30” filming, George Harrison was questioning his dad about film cameras. So even back then George was interested in films.
My elementary school vice principle (Mr.Neil) was from Liverpool and he told me about seeing The Beatles at The Cavern. He sat with them during breaks and he said John Lennon was really crude and vulgar. The were great.
Wonderful music and loved hearing John. The Cavern was very special to them. You had people lined up outside to see them at lunch time. No way you could get people in that small place. Had to do many shows day and night. They were so loved back then and the world needed to learn of them.😢 thanks so much for this music and it is so clear. They were and are the best band ever.❤
I've read somewhere, i forget now, that Paul apparently has a recording of a Cavern Club performance of ''Young Blood''. Would definitely love to have that find its way out into bootleg land at some point. Lol
"WE WANT PETE"! RINGO STARR really swings on Some Other Guy! What were The Beatles thinking? They should have recorded "Some Other Guy" for their debút album "Please Please Me". They could have elbowed Misery.
The third version is surely the first one because the first "take" was performed next, which by that time the sound recordist's tape equipment started to malfunction because intense humidity of The Cavern.
Yes. It was the harmonica version of "Seventeen," two takes of "One After 909," and two takes of "Cat'sWalk," also called "Winston's Walk." The version here has been cleaned up quite a bit, and "Seventeen" had a drop out at one point.
@@beatlemangle1712 My understanding is there was a dispute between Allan and Ted "King-size" Taylor over ownership. Seems the tape machine used for the Hamburg tapes, owned by Taylor, was the same machine used for the Cavern rehearsals.
So…Seventeen is an absolute REVELATION!!! It’s 50x better than the dreadful Star Club recording. Plus, all the giggling and small screw ups makes it so incredibly charming. Not to mention the precious harmonica part, which obviously wasn’t applied for the recording. Splash a little Peter Jackson juice on this baby and you’ve got a wonderful B-side for the upcoming, “now and then “. 😎 You’re welcome. 🤠
Sorry you don't like or enjoy the Star Club tapes. They're a must listen to me and with such an amazing volume of songs and alternate renditions (including 2 entirely different versions of SEVENTEEN, and lots of giggling), Hamburg seems the quintessential project for Peter Jackson.
@@mangomonkey6938 Thanks. Will have to listen to more of “Hamburg”. But, wow, the first track/take of “Seventeen” is just dreadful. Paul sounds terrible, has not evolved the melody yet, and you almost can’t believe it’s him/them. That’s the only song I was referring to, for the record. Cheers!
@@jorgeb555 Wait, I'm confused--first you said that you thought the take of "Seventeen" on this clip was charming and 50x better than the Hamburg version. Then you say it's dreadful, terrible, and you can't believe it's them!! Or were you referring to the Hamburg version with your negative review? The Hamburg version sounds a lot more evolved (ie. more like the album version) than the one here.
@@spiritof6663 So I feel as though “Seventeen”, while wildly different than the eventual record, is still magnificent in its own right. Meanwhile, I feel very strongly that the PERFORMANCE of “ISHST” from the Star Club is simply dreadful, especially Paul’s vocal, as he sounds flat and LOST, and even unrecognizable at times. (I had briefly convinced myself that it wasn’t even the Beatles, it was so terrible.) Hope that clears it up for ya. But, yeah, this “Seventeen” business I just think is wonderful.
Random question: Regarding “Some Other Guy”, why didn’t the Beatles include HARMONIES in their arrangement, as are in the original recording? ‘Twould seem obvious. 🤷🏼♂️
My guess would be that George is doing a hell of a lot on guitar through the whole song, perhaps he couldn't play that rhythm and sing... If I'm thinking of the same bits!
shockingly annoying that there are still recordings out there from the early beatle days we've yet to hear, either hoarded by collectors, held by apple, or rotting in boxes in attics or such.
My bass players dad was the cameraman for this in ‘62. He worked for Granada TV. Then he did it again when they appeared for “Scene at 6:30” in November ‘63.
So. ...did he even talk to them😮
@@josephguerra703 I was told by my band mate that at the Cavern, his dad talked to John briefly when he asked if they were too loud and was his cheeky self. For the “Scene at 6:30” filming, George Harrison was questioning his dad about film cameras. So even back then George was interested in films.
Nice to have this all together now! Hope the full "Misery" demo comes around one day.
The complete version exists in collectors circles. There is also "Love of the Loved" demo on that tape.
My elementary school vice principle (Mr.Neil) was from Liverpool and he told me about seeing The Beatles at The Cavern. He sat with them during breaks and he said John Lennon was really crude and vulgar.
The were great.
Wonderful music and loved hearing John. The Cavern was very special to them. You had people lined up outside to see them at lunch time. No way you could get people in that small place. Had to do many shows day and night. They were so loved back then and the world needed to learn of them.😢 thanks so much for this music and it is so clear. They were and are the best band ever.❤
I've read somewhere, i forget now, that Paul apparently has a recording of a Cavern Club performance of ''Young Blood''. Would definitely love to have that find its way out into bootleg land at some point. Lol
Yeah, it is true. He bought this tape in 1985. It includes 18 songs.
At 2:37 with the we want Pete shout out the atmosphere and vibe must have been tense !
I think this is when George got punched in the eye from a Pete Best fan.
Excited!
Full of speed and energy.
The Beatles heading for world domination!
"WE WANT PETE"!
RINGO STARR really swings on Some Other Guy!
What were The Beatles thinking?
They should have recorded "Some Other Guy" for their debút album "Please Please Me". They could have elbowed Misery.
Please do a Complete Beatles with Pete Best!
[Here We Go, Teenager's Turn, etc.]
Shouldn't take long! lol
The third version is surely the first one because the first "take" was performed next, which by that time the sound recordist's tape equipment started to malfunction because intense humidity of The Cavern.
Fantastic 😊❤
The lyric for Misery written for a girl - was supposed to go to Helen Shapiro, whom they were on tour with for a month in early 63.
Thank you for sharing! 🤘✌😍
Macca's been using the same bass since the beginning.
The same make yes. But not the actual same bass.
@@scottandrewbrass1931 And not the same Paul. From 1966 it was William, whom we have today.
IT GOT FOUND!!!!!!!!!!!! (Paul's first bass) @@scottandrewbrass1931
Never noticed the kansas city 😮
I was first given a recording of the Cavern Rehearsal tape in 1985 from Allan Williams, their first manager.
Wow! Is it the same tape included in the video?
Yes. It was the harmonica version of "Seventeen," two takes of "One After 909," and two takes of "Cat'sWalk," also called "Winston's Walk." The version here has been cleaned up quite a bit, and "Seventeen" had a drop out at one point.
@@BernieOliver awesome! So it looks like Allan Williams was the main owner of this tape and how it appeared on the bootlegs later on.
@@beatlemangle1712 My understanding is there was a dispute between Allan and Ted "King-size" Taylor over ownership. Seems the tape machine used for the Hamburg tapes, owned by Taylor, was the same machine used for the Cavern rehearsals.
@@BernieOliver I didn't know that! Thanks for the information!
OK, I ADMIT IT, I WAS THE OTHER GUY.
So…Seventeen is an absolute REVELATION!!!
It’s 50x better than the dreadful Star Club recording. Plus, all the giggling and small screw ups makes it so incredibly charming. Not to mention the precious harmonica part, which obviously wasn’t applied for the recording.
Splash a little Peter Jackson juice on this baby and you’ve got a wonderful B-side for the upcoming, “now and then “. 😎
You’re welcome. 🤠
Sorry you don't like or enjoy the Star Club tapes. They're a must listen to me and with such an amazing volume of songs and alternate renditions (including 2 entirely different versions of SEVENTEEN, and lots of giggling), Hamburg seems the quintessential project for Peter Jackson.
@@mangomonkey6938 Thanks. Will have to listen to more of “Hamburg”.
But, wow, the first track/take of “Seventeen” is just dreadful. Paul sounds terrible, has not evolved the melody yet, and you almost can’t believe it’s him/them.
That’s the only song I was referring to, for the record.
Cheers!
@@jorgeb555 Wait, I'm confused--first you said that you thought the take of "Seventeen" on this clip was charming and 50x better than the Hamburg version. Then you say it's dreadful, terrible, and you can't believe it's them!! Or were you referring to the Hamburg version with your negative review? The Hamburg version sounds a lot more evolved (ie. more like the album version) than the one here.
@@spiritof6663 So I feel as though “Seventeen”, while wildly different than the eventual record, is still magnificent in its own right.
Meanwhile, I feel very strongly that the PERFORMANCE of “ISHST” from the Star Club is simply dreadful, especially Paul’s vocal, as he sounds flat and LOST, and even unrecognizable at times.
(I had briefly convinced myself that it wasn’t even the Beatles, it was so terrible.)
Hope that clears it up for ya.
But, yeah, this “Seventeen” business I just think is wonderful.
@@mangomonkey6938 It’s only the first track that I don’t like, to be honest. Paul’s vocal performance is abysmal. 😳
The rest gets better quickly. ☺️
Rory Storm and The Hurricanes with Ringo pre Beatles was also very punky 👍
Uma maravilha ouvir tudo isso, e o ritmo que gostoso dá vontade de sair dançando.
THIS STUFF SHOULD BE CLEANED UP WITH AI AND RELEASED - PRONTO!
Alternate Title:
The Beatles - Some Other Guy (1961) With Pete Best.
They were only three years away from Rubber Soul, incredible
Why didn't Apple and Capitol release the complete Cavern gig on Anthology 1 instead of all those interviews!
In 1985 Paul bought a Cavern tape recorded in 1962 which included 18 songs. Mark Lewisohn said the quality was terrible.
Random question: Regarding “Some Other Guy”, why didn’t the Beatles include HARMONIES in their arrangement, as are in the original recording? ‘Twould seem obvious. 🤷🏼♂️
My guess would be that George is doing a hell of a lot on guitar through the whole song, perhaps he couldn't play that rhythm and sing... If I'm thinking of the same bits!
I think both John and Paul wanted to sing lead. They compromised and both did, matching each other without harmonizing.
where can i download this
Listening to Catswalk. Chronic! No wonder George Martin used his own session musicians for their records and ‘the boys’ just added their vocals!