That looks like a lot of fun! I've learned that obstacles that looks even remotely challenging on video are really gnarly in person, and that last section looked gnarly on video . . . nice driving to all! Have ya'll ditched your sway bars? That made a huge difference for me! In theory, you could just remove an end-link from the front and one from the back when you're airing down. It is actually pretty quick and easy to do.
Thanks Matt! You are absolutely right! And yesss the steepness and the deep ruts don't come to life on video like they do in real life. But glad we were able to showcase it to some degree how gnarly it is. I believe everyone still have their sway bars in. I have my rear sway bar removed entirely for the increased suspension travel. It helps out alot!! I want to remove the front seat bar but worried about my axles really giving out. I'm waiting for the new suspension and the upgraded axls that subiworks is coming out with. Then I'll have all sway bars off 😎
I have the same Outback as you except it’s the Llbean edition you’ve really inspired me to get some upgrades , I was wondering what kind of running boards did you install on yours ?
My outback is the LLBean edition but everything body wise is the same on the other H6 models. The running boards are custom made from a fabrication shop in Orange CA.
Ohhh yaaa I was surprised it did so well. This is definitely why I wanted some sliders to protect our horrible break over angle. There's not too many high lift options for the outback of my gen so had to protect it in the best way we could. This video definitely shows that I could use a front lsd as well.
@@therootedprogress I just had the Torq Lockers installed in our 2023 Ascent. Haven't had a chance to test them out yet, but we'll be putting through a good test next month when we do the entire Utah BDR (2 week road trip). Glad to see they are doing what they are suppose to do! Even on dry pavement we can tell they are installed, usually noticed when backing out of a parking spot at near full steering wheel lock. Hoping the Ascent's max torque at 2k RPM will help in those situations (like the video above). We've tackled some gnarly offroad obstacles already and didn't even need to use x-mode (yet!). Also got rock sliders for the exact reason 13:26 in your video. :) We've gone offroad quite a bit already, just not with the lockers or rock sliders yet. Also have 2" lift, skid plates, winch, etc.
Twas really fun and yes a good group of people. Glad everything went okay tho. The trail is pretty abusive with all the rocks. Had to tread slowly not to bang anything up.
Thanks Danny!! It was definitely fun and challenging. It was nice to see all kinds of transmissions make it up: manual, cvt, 4eat, and a 4wd auto trans.
You said in the video to make sure you have at least 12" of ground clearance. Are you telling me all those vehicles had 12" in ground clearance? Didn't really look like it. I doubt even the 4Runner had that much. Could you give us an idea what the actual lift of those vehicles was? Databyter
Yaaa your right. Not everyone in this video is at 12inches. I recommended it because I'm at 12inches of ground clearance in our outback. unfortunately I don't have the exact ground clearance on everyone's car but this is what they should be around. Subaru Impreza OBS: 9.3inch 4runner is stock. 9.6inch The outback XT was around 12inches and so was my 2002 outback However, keep in mind trails continue to erode and change over time. So the ruts may get filled with more rocks requiring less GC and sometimes ruts will get washed out requiring more GC. Just depends. We were surprised we were able to make it through unscathed.
@@therootedprogress I understand. More GC is always better. But most of the Subaru fans won't go beyond a certain lift for fear of losing too much on road capability and reliability of axles and such. I was thinking of getting the Wilderness Edition myself, which hasn't been an option for most people and it only has a slightly less than one inch lift. I was thinkiing between wheels tires and mods to give it another inch or two. That is STILL under 12" tho. But like you said, with the right line and friends helping, much is possible. For me tho, realistically, it is plenty for the roads and tracks I am interested in. I'm not above moving some rocks or dirt around if I have to either. My initial concept is Wilderness Edition (WHich has 9.5" GC stock and lower gearing powered by a Turbo Engine) but then add some 15" wheels and slightly taller tires to give me a bit more height, and;/or more sidewall and air down capability which means I would be able to take harder lines traction wise to avoid areas where GC is more of an issue because my big aired down tires would hang onto my line better (hopefully). And I think this will be good enough for me. It likely will be in the 10" range. But if I feel I need more I will add a bit more to the factory lift. I really don't want to mess with the geometry too much because If im gonna do that Id be better off just buying a Non Wilderness and going full mod on it. I do like the idea that the Wilderness has a lower final gearing and I think that is going to be huge and make up for the larger tires. Any way you slice it, half the fun is the journey and experimenting with whatever platform you choose, and see how to make it yours. I didn't even KNOW about the auto-Lockers. That's a pretty cool option as well. Great Video. I hope to see more of them.. BTW I've seen several references in your video channel to the San Diego area. That's where I live. Are you also local to SD County?. Once I get my project going maybe I'll see you out there. I could also use advice on Mods and local shops that can work on Subies, but I will probably do most of the stuff myself. Databyter
@@Databyter absolutely, anything over 2inches of lift will decrease the reliability of the axles and on road drivability of the car. The most common axles to break are the front axles. Due to the new angle plus the dropping of the vehicle suddenly when you three wheel and "send it" those two components really seem to wear and tear on those axles. fingers crossed.. i havnt broken an axle yet but already looking into purchase heavier duty ones. From asking around the community, 2 inches seems to be the max before you start breaking axles every time you trail. However, it also seems that if you properly space the subframe to correct the cv angle your axles should last longer/ hold up for a while. therefore if you get a 4inch lift. youll most likely need to add 2 inchs of subframe spacers. I dont know if anyone has done this but if your worried about axle durability maybe look into getting a 2 inch lift with 1 inch subframes. The nice thing about the Subarus is that even tho you put a 2-4 inch lift kit, it still handles relatively well compared to a dedicated 4x4 on road. however, no one with a lifted subaru or any kind of offroad built vehicle should be driving it like a sports car on regular roads. I also had a 2015 FXT stock and compared to the outback with a lift, they feel the same. So i want to say that the outback handles better in the sense that it has a lower center of gravity compared to the other models. The crosstrek probably feels the best offroad and onroad out of the group and the forester has the best approach and departure angles but higher center of gravity. I like the balance and weight distribution of the outback so far. The wilderness edition is a great option for those looking for decent offroadability, factory warranty, and on road drivability. For me it depends on where Subaru prices it out. If your going to end up lifting it a bit more, I would go with the outback XT and do a 2inch lift. I think it would be the same. youll be able to fit beefy tires and the combo of the lift kit and wheels would be a solid + out there on the trails. Like you said youll be able to drive on plenty of roads with that much ground clearance. Yess your right the wilderness has a better final gearing. Thats the only thing that would make me consider. it. however, correct me if im wrong but the drivetrain is the same on the Subaru Ascent. The Ascent just needs the newer x-mode. Its definitely a hard choice between modded base xt outback or wilderness.. For me i feel like i will always want to add something/modify my rig/vehicle. So im sure a wilderness wouldnt be good for me. no judgement tho if you decide to go any route. In the end its whatever fits your needs and or how much you want to pay for certain things. And also that part of the journey as well :) I like the older models now because a replacement transmission is alot cheaper. they dont get as good of gas mileage like the new ones but after all the mods you do plus gear weight, it kinda comes close. I know modded Crosstreks MPGs drop down to 20-24 hwy and the outback xt in the video, he said he was getting around 18-20 hwy. Im at 17-18 mpg combines lol Ya the auto lockers are a game changer. i hear they work alot better in the older models without a cvt trans mission tho. Yes we are San Diego Locals :) if you have instagram you can always dm us questions or if you need some extra hands with your car just let me know. instagram name is same as youtube.
@@therootedprogress Well, I'm definitely buying something, and likely a Wilderness, I know the CVT is sourced from the Ascent, it is tougher with a higher clamping force. I do NOT know if it shares the final gear. My understanding has been (and I will try to find out for sure one way or the other) that the lower final gear is unique to the Wilderness and that the Ascent while it shares the same CVT version has it's own higher gearing, which makes a lot more sense to me, especially from a mileage wars perspective. But the final gearing combined with the Turbo 2.4 is one of the main reasons I am thinking of this as the platform I will start with. It is pricey, but I feel you are getting your moneys worth here. I just wish they offered the premium sound system choices in the sportier models. What? road trekkers don't like music? Not my experience at all. I plan to buy in January after there is a good supply chain and the bugs are worked out (and I have more for a down payment to keep my monthly payment lower). When I get my rig, I will PM you so you can check it out. We can document the "before" lol. Databyter
There are only two that you can buy for a Subaru. 1) single bolt or 2) 5 bolt. The difference is by checking your rear diff cover. If it has a single bolt then u need to buy the single bolt rear diff locker from torq, if you look at yours and you see 5 bolts you need the 5 bolt. The torq locker needs compatible open rear diff to install. If you have an open rear diff then keep it. You will replace the internals of the open rear diff with the torq locker. If you have an lsd you would need to find a compatible open diff with the compatible final drive ratio then gut the internals and install the torq locker. Links to info below... ua-cam.com/video/EUYts_Y9cwU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/rWs-4gk_hBs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/eMCcKdpsLa8/v-deo.html Btw if you have a single bolt you’ll need to e-mail torq to purchase. I don’t think they have it on their website.
Ugh so much I want to say about this fucking video. I live in socal and have taken many cars up lytle creek. Latest being a awd 1997 subaru legacy. Not to be cocky but your lines are all wrong!! Next time your out and planning to go up lytle creek hit me up ill show you how to drive your car!!! Would be fun.
Crazy how good the Subarus are, but 4runner really rules these places .
I can smell the clutch on the OBS manual from here! I know it well... Awesome video! Those were some fun looking trails.
Yaaa It was rough but he is planning to upgrade it eventually lol.
One day I’ll change it 😂
@@Battlereadyrigs I also drive an OBS manual, so I'm just messing with you! Save the manuals!
Gnarly trail! Looked like a good time!
Thanks man! Glad we made it through! Definitely was a fun trail for the more moderate trail run.
That looks like a lot of fun! I've learned that obstacles that looks even remotely challenging on video are really gnarly in person, and that last section looked gnarly on video . . . nice driving to all! Have ya'll ditched your sway bars? That made a huge difference for me! In theory, you could just remove an end-link from the front and one from the back when you're airing down. It is actually pretty quick and easy to do.
Thanks Matt! You are absolutely right! And yesss the steepness and the deep ruts don't come to life on video like they do in real life. But glad we were able to showcase it to some degree how gnarly it is. I believe everyone still have their sway bars in. I have my rear sway bar removed entirely for the increased suspension travel. It helps out alot!! I want to remove the front seat bar but worried about my axles really giving out. I'm waiting for the new suspension and the upgraded axls that subiworks is coming out with. Then I'll have all sway bars off 😎
@@therootedprogress Nice! Cool!
I have the same Outback as you except it’s the Llbean edition you’ve really inspired me to get some upgrades , I was wondering what kind of running boards did you install on yours ?
My outback is the LLBean edition but everything body wise is the same on the other H6 models.
The running boards are custom made from a fabrication shop in Orange CA.
The rear locker and rock rails really came into play on the last obstacles.
Ohhh yaaa I was surprised it did so well. This is definitely why I wanted some sliders to protect our horrible break over angle. There's not too many high lift options for the outback of my gen so had to protect it in the best way we could. This video definitely shows that I could use a front lsd as well.
@@therootedprogress Does anyone even make 4EAT front LSD's? I don't recall if Cusco makes one.
@@therootedprogress I just had the Torq Lockers installed in our 2023 Ascent. Haven't had a chance to test them out yet, but we'll be putting through a good test next month when we do the entire Utah BDR (2 week road trip). Glad to see they are doing what they are suppose to do! Even on dry pavement we can tell they are installed, usually noticed when backing out of a parking spot at near full steering wheel lock. Hoping the Ascent's max torque at 2k RPM will help in those situations (like the video above). We've tackled some gnarly offroad obstacles already and didn't even need to use x-mode (yet!). Also got rock sliders for the exact reason 13:26 in your video. :) We've gone offroad quite a bit already, just not with the lockers or rock sliders yet. Also have 2" lift, skid plates, winch, etc.
Looks like it was a fun time with a great group!
Twas really fun and yes a good group of people. Glad everything went okay tho. The trail is pretty abusive with all the rocks. Had to tread slowly not to bang anything up.
Hell yeah! I'd love to hit that one sometime when I make it out there. Great video man! 🤘
Yaaa if your ever out here let me know. You'd love it 🙂
Looks like you all had a great time!
Thanks Danny!! It was definitely fun and challenging. It was nice to see all kinds of transmissions make it up: manual, cvt, 4eat, and a 4wd auto trans.
Looks like a blast!
Soooo sick!
🤟🏽🔥🔥🔥
You said in the video to make sure you have at least 12" of ground clearance. Are you telling me all those vehicles had 12" in ground clearance? Didn't really look like it. I doubt even the 4Runner had that much. Could you give us an idea what the actual lift of those vehicles was? Databyter
Yaaa your right. Not everyone in this video is at 12inches. I recommended it because I'm at 12inches of ground clearance in our outback. unfortunately I don't have the exact ground clearance on everyone's car but this is what they should be around.
Subaru Impreza OBS: 9.3inch
4runner is stock. 9.6inch
The outback XT was around 12inches and so was my 2002 outback
However, keep in mind trails continue to erode and change over time. So the ruts may get filled with more rocks requiring less GC and sometimes ruts will get washed out requiring more GC. Just depends. We were surprised we were able to make it through unscathed.
@@therootedprogress I understand. More GC is always better. But most of the Subaru fans won't go beyond a certain lift for fear of losing too much on road capability and reliability of axles and such. I was thinking of getting the Wilderness Edition myself, which hasn't been an option for most people and it only has a slightly less than one inch lift. I was thinkiing between wheels tires and mods to give it another inch or two. That is STILL under 12" tho. But like you said, with the right line and friends helping, much is possible. For me tho, realistically, it is plenty for the roads and tracks I am interested in. I'm not above moving some rocks or dirt around if I have to either. My initial concept is Wilderness Edition (WHich has 9.5" GC stock and lower gearing powered by a Turbo Engine) but then add some 15" wheels and slightly taller tires to give me a bit more height, and;/or more sidewall and air down capability which means I would be able to take harder lines traction wise to avoid areas where GC is more of an issue because my big aired down tires would hang onto my line better (hopefully). And I think this will be good enough for me. It likely will be in the 10" range. But if I feel I need more I will add a bit more to the factory lift. I really don't want to mess with the geometry too much because If im gonna do that Id be better off just buying a Non Wilderness and going full mod on it. I do like the idea that the Wilderness has a lower final gearing and I think that is going to be huge and make up for the larger tires. Any way you slice it, half the fun is the journey and experimenting with whatever platform you choose, and see how to make it yours. I didn't even KNOW about the auto-Lockers. That's a pretty cool option as well. Great Video. I hope to see more of them.. BTW I've seen several references in your video channel to the San Diego area. That's where I live. Are you also local to SD County?. Once I get my project going maybe I'll see you out there. I could also use advice on Mods and local shops that can work on Subies, but I will probably do most of the stuff myself. Databyter
@@Databyter absolutely, anything over 2inches of lift will decrease the reliability of the axles and on road drivability of the car. The most common axles to break are the front axles. Due to the new angle plus the dropping of the vehicle suddenly when you three wheel and "send it" those two components really seem to wear and tear on those axles. fingers crossed.. i havnt broken an axle yet but already looking into purchase heavier duty ones. From asking around the community, 2 inches seems to be the max before you start breaking axles every time you trail. However, it also seems that if you properly space the subframe to correct the cv angle your axles should last longer/ hold up for a while. therefore if you get a 4inch lift. youll most likely need to add 2 inchs of subframe spacers. I dont know if anyone has done this but if your worried about axle durability maybe look into getting a 2 inch lift with 1 inch subframes.
The nice thing about the Subarus is that even tho you put a 2-4 inch lift kit, it still handles relatively well compared to a dedicated 4x4 on road. however, no one with a lifted subaru or any kind of offroad built vehicle should be driving it like a sports car on regular roads.
I also had a 2015 FXT stock and compared to the outback with a lift, they feel the same. So i want to say that the outback handles better in the sense that it has a lower center of gravity compared to the other models. The crosstrek probably feels the best offroad and onroad out of the group and the forester has the best approach and departure angles but higher center of gravity. I like the balance and weight distribution of the outback so far.
The wilderness edition is a great option for those looking for decent offroadability, factory warranty, and on road drivability. For me it depends on where Subaru prices it out. If your going to end up lifting it a bit more, I would go with the outback XT and do a 2inch lift. I think it would be the same. youll be able to fit beefy tires and the combo of the lift kit and wheels would be a solid + out there on the trails. Like you said youll be able to drive on plenty of roads with that much ground clearance.
Yess your right the wilderness has a better final gearing. Thats the only thing that would make me consider. it. however, correct me if im wrong but the drivetrain is the same on the Subaru Ascent. The Ascent just needs the newer x-mode. Its definitely a hard choice between modded base xt outback or wilderness.. For me i feel like i will always want to add something/modify my rig/vehicle. So im sure a wilderness wouldnt be good for me. no judgement tho if you decide to go any route. In the end its whatever fits your needs and or how much you want to pay for certain things. And also that part of the journey as well :)
I like the older models now because a replacement transmission is alot cheaper. they dont get as good of gas mileage like the new ones but after all the mods you do plus gear weight, it kinda comes close. I know modded Crosstreks MPGs drop down to 20-24 hwy and the outback xt in the video, he said he was getting around 18-20 hwy. Im at 17-18 mpg combines lol
Ya the auto lockers are a game changer. i hear they work alot better in the older models without a cvt trans mission tho. Yes we are San Diego Locals :) if you have instagram you can always dm us questions or if you need some extra hands with your car just let me know. instagram name is same as youtube.
@@therootedprogress Well, I'm definitely buying something, and likely a Wilderness, I know the CVT is sourced from the Ascent, it is tougher with a higher clamping force. I do NOT know if it shares the final gear. My understanding has been (and I will try to find out for sure one way or the other) that the lower final gear is unique to the Wilderness and that the Ascent while it shares the same CVT version has it's own higher gearing, which makes a lot more sense to me, especially from a mileage wars perspective. But the final gearing combined with the Turbo 2.4 is one of the main reasons I am thinking of this as the platform I will start with. It is pricey, but I feel you are getting your moneys worth here. I just wish they offered the premium sound system choices in the sportier models. What? road trekkers don't like music? Not my experience at all. I plan to buy in January after there is a good supply chain and the bugs are worked out (and I have more for a down payment to keep my monthly payment lower). When I get my rig, I will PM you so you can check it out. We can document the "before" lol. Databyter
Which trail is this? Is this in Cold Water Canyon?
Trail name in title 👍
What torque locker should I get for my 2003 forester X ?
There are only two that you can buy for a Subaru. 1) single bolt or 2) 5 bolt. The difference is by checking your rear diff cover. If it has a single bolt then u need to buy the single bolt rear diff locker from torq, if you look at yours and you see 5 bolts you need the 5 bolt. The torq locker needs compatible open rear diff to install. If you have an open rear diff then keep it. You will replace the internals of the open rear diff with the torq locker. If you have an lsd you would need to find a compatible open diff with the compatible final drive ratio then gut the internals and install the torq locker. Links to info below...
ua-cam.com/video/EUYts_Y9cwU/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/rWs-4gk_hBs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/eMCcKdpsLa8/v-deo.html
Btw if you have a single bolt you’ll need to e-mail torq to purchase. I don’t think they have it on their website.
@@therootedprogress Thankyou!
@@STOK360 no problem 👍
Mark...is your car automatic or manual transmission????
Automatic. 4EAT 👍
Did she ask if the locker was on??
Ugh so much I want to say about this fucking video. I live in socal and have taken many cars up lytle creek. Latest being a awd 1997 subaru legacy. Not to be cocky but your lines are all wrong!! Next time your out and planning to go up lytle creek hit me up ill show you how to drive your car!!! Would be fun.
We wanted the harder lines lol but sure, hit me up on Instagram so we can keep in touch and when I'm in the area I'm down to trail 👍