Yea, it's probably obsolete in the sense that I don't think there are many good reasons to get one now. There are better 6.5s, .30s, 7mms, and even a better .277 (6.8 Western). That said, like many "obsolete" cartridges, a good firearm, some good ammo, and a good reloading press can take you very far.
7 SAUM is pretty comparable but 6.5 is not gonna be used for moose. 30s have a lot more recoil and or not as flat. Most 7mms are high recoil. The new 6.8 western is more recoil as well and in a lighter gun since it’s short action. Also 6.8 western and 270 wsm are almost identical, but 6.8 takes longer and heavier bullets and has a different barrel twist. Performance based they are the same out to hunting ranges as the wsm is faster. It was just a way for them to sell more guns and ammo instead of just making bullets.
I would say the 7mm Rem mag is the Most Over rated. 270 win 150 gr Accubond will take anything in N America , but I would use a 250 gr 35 Whelan for Grizz
Can’t wait for chukes rebuttal! Been using my 270 here in Michigan for deer for years and it hammers them…definitely not obsolete since it’s readily available in every gun store and hardware store…I do have. 6.5 creed and ammo is super hard to find under $50/box
In my opinion 270 winchester is perfect for what it does. You used the word obsolete and another guy used overrated but I will use the word workhorse..
Why is the 270 obsolete...............Reason #1 If we didn't have new cartridges introduced then we wouldn't have a reason to buy more rifles. You Tubers would go broke, The gun industry would shrink, World economies would fail, folks would live in peace.
I like a lot of the middle of the road stuff including the .270. Not because I think it's the best at anything, but because it's good enough for me in the situations I would use it for. Are there better rounds for anything I would use that type of round for? Absolutely. None of them, outside of the 30-06, has the history of the .270. That's my biggest draw to the .270 is the history. I don't hate this video.
No. History shows the .270 Win to be the best Western hunting caliber ever. All this about other calibers with 50 fps more velocity are laughable. The results of the past 100 years say this is all bloviation meant to drive traffic to his and his buddy's channel
The way you tell if a bullet is obsolete is by checking the shelves. So ….. I would say you are dead wrong on this. Doesn’t matter if other calibers are better. The 270 is awesome. There are maby others that are better in their current manufacturing. When you say ok , let’s mass produce 6.5prc( because it is much better than creedmore)…. Then you start having consistency issues with it as well. Choose any ofher round and tbe same applies.
@@AlaskanBallistics including myself. I really would like to have one of the prc’s but i cant see myself buying until i can get ammo. Usually i like to have atleast 1000 rounds. If i can get 2-300 of this I will get one. Rhat could be awhile
Yeah they said 284 made the 270 obsolete or was it the 6.5 Remington mag. That’s right it was both.Now it’s the 6.5 prc which is no better then the 6.5 rem.mag. Was. Ammo for prc is impossible to find right now and when you can it’s at least twice the price.rifle with bullets kills much better than one with no bullets.
@@AlaskanBallistics good luck with it. Save your brass. I didn’t see you put 5 different boxes of prc on the table from different makers wonder why that was. But new calibers and rifles to shoot them is always a good thing. I hope the prc really takes off. I actually had a 6.5 prc in my cart but before I bought it I looked for ammo and there was none. I also hand load so looked for brass there was none so bought a browning ab3 in 270 because I know I can always feed it. I love your channel and look forward to your videos on 6.5 prc vs 270.you might change my mind and I will have to get one.may god keep you and your family in the hollow of his hand
I read a lot of comments and take them at face value. To say that the 270 is obsolete I think is a bit premature. Are there cartridges that outperform it, yes. I think that the real difference between the 270 vs 6.8 western is the heavy for caliber bullets and modern technology that wasn’t available when the 270 was introduced. Have always thought that the best caliber is the one that you can consistently shoot well and know that your caliber has the power to get the job done.
There was something that was brought to my attention just recently about the 270 and that is barrel twist. If one wants to shoot the longer bullets for long range, you need a faster twist than the 1-10 you commonly get in the rifle. I limit myself to 300 yards or less, so it does not matter to me to not use those high BC bullets. But for some people that want to shoot long range with better accuracy it might. The 270 will never be obsolete. It is one of those cartridges that can be purchased easier than most about anywhere they sell ammo. Not so with some of the newer cartridges or the ones that there are not a lot of guns out there to feed.
@@AlaskanBallistics since the fake flu it's been pretty hard to find but I've had the most luck finding it at Walmart. Got about 6 boxes within the last 6 months. They had more but my funds are limited by 4 kids only 1 income lol.
@@EDCIndiana i heard that. I've got enough plus i handload. Ironically, this rifle likes the 130 Winchester PowerPoint factory more than anything I've handloaded except for the 100gr gmx...
In the fact of certain specialty ballistics you can beat 30. 06 and 270 Win. As a total versatile package they're hard to beat. And I don't own either, lol.
Oh boy.... Jack O' Conner is rolling over in his grave. I like the 270 Win and I don't think it's obsolete. It's still one of the best selling hunting cartridges. I hope that factory rifles make the twist rates faster for the 270 Win. That would for sure future proof it and make it a much more versatile cartridge.
"Jack O'Conner" and Elmor Keith those were the days. Had to laugh when I saw that "Jack O'Conner". Old memories ya know. I'll go with both and hang on to my 270 Winchester Ranger and my 44 MAG. Thanks for the memories ✨
Well, my dad rest his soul, wouldn't take to kindly to you putting down his 270. He loved his Remington pump and was such a good, fast shot with it. But it's all interesting to me and fun to analyze the various rounds that we have now. We are rich these days with so many choices. I personally have taken a liken to the 308 lately and have been able to find ammo for it. Good shooting.😊
@@michaellane4003 A 270 Remington Pump. Wow that's a keeper, not too many 270 pump's around👌 There's some history there I bet. It was the Alaskans yelling for something that could get out further than the 06. Winchester came up with the 270 in 1925 and it seemed to please them with longer shots, short story of the 270.
The .270 made its debut in 1925. The fact that it’s still around and still as popular as it is should tell us something. A caliber that does so well on all sorts big game in North America and is so easy to shoot is not obsolete. Are there some calibers that are flatter shooting than .270 yes. That doesn’t mean that .270 is going anywhere.
@@AlaskanBallistics I do like a lot of the 6.5 cal cartridges. 6.5 creedmore kind of reminds me of the craze that hit when 260 Remington made its debut. Difference is that 6.5 creedmore has enjoyed better support from the get go than 260 ever did. Also it’s more accurate than 260 as well as marketed better.
@@AlaskanBallistics maybe other calibers are just different, not necessarily better. Seems like I am hearing about more problems with 6.5 calibers for larger elk size game, or similar sized African game. This despite their greater energy.
The 270 Win will still be alive and well when you are 6 feet under. There are so many of the rifles out there that you will always have ammo. There isn't any rifle that is the same chamber from rifle to rifle. Just all the reasons you mentioned about what it was good for defeated your comment of its obsolete. I just bought one recently and just because I didn't have one. Many new cartridges have their purposes but most of them are suited only for longer range shots that are not common to that much hunting mostly target shooting. I am sure your friends counter will out do the likes of your video. There is a cost factor that is a positive as long as easy to get ammo.
The 270 is a awesome caliber and always will be a spot in the safe for one. For the time it was introduced we didn’t have the bc bullets then. I think we are splitting hairs on all the calibers comparing them together.
Like you said, every thing is close! But two things make it great! First, you can find the 270 win in most places that you won't find some of the others, and two its history. The old saying is " if it ain't broken, don't fix it "!
Can’t take 3 steps in Minnesota without tripping over a box of .270 cartridges…rarely see 6.5 PRC or 6.8 Western. When I do, they’re expensive. I looked at your tables. I was impressed at how well the old .270 stacked up with those fancy magnums. The .270 never claimed that title…funny how it hangs right in there. I won’t be getting rid of my .270s any time soon, it does everything I need it to do. But then again, I only need it to kill deer, yotes, and the occasional black bear. So far, so good.
For a one-rifle man, a 30’06 is the best bet in North America. For those fortunate to have the choice and option to taylor guns to game and terrain, like myself, I’d pick a 270, a 30-30, and a 35 Whelen for medium to large game, 270 is still a great cartridge. Are there better, yes. It depends on use. For what it is, the 270 is hard to beat given its design compared to more modern cartridges. It beats the 6.5 CM, has less recoil than 30’06 and the magnums, and with hand loads can come close to many popular long range cartridges using less powder. Availability world-wide, 270 can be found almost everywhere. Obsolete, I’d say no.
Good video. I love my .270 but admit there are better cartridges out there. The thing about .270 is that the vast majority of US hunters are 200 yards and in, whitetail hunters, that only shoot their guns twice a year. You can walk into any gun shop and find a used .270 and ammo and kill any whitetail you'll come across with less recoil than a 30-06 or 308. For most shooters less recoil means more accurate shots and more ethical kills. .270 in my mind is still the whitetail king. Keep up the videos man, love your channel. God bless.
My dad had good luck with his 270 all his adult life. He was a good shot, was familiar with his rifle and had confidence it it’s capability. I think that is a good formula for success.
Pick any cartridge and you can defame it when you compare lower and larger calibers …to say .270 is obsolete is shortsighted….you can improve any caliber and history have proved it but bottom line is never compare caliber to caliber !
170 Berger, 2935 fps. 165 Nosler LRACCB/ 3000 fps. , 150 Nosler partition/ 3150 fps. no signs of pressure, rarely have had to take a second shot, killed everything on the planet except the big 4. Not sure why Jack O'Connor had such troubles. 270 win. for the powder/recoil/power/ accurate/ precise/ barrel life, you are not going to find a better round.
@@AlaskanBallistics Bore/lands/grooves too big, bullets too small, throating issues, mag. case length issues...etc. a lot of troubles are put into a rifle when they wish to get rid of a caliber. But even if you take a Mossberg, wood stock 270 win. you are still going to get 130 at 3100 fps. and 150s at 2900-3000 fps., which with modern bullets is all you need , to kill anything, at proper distances, even on youtube the Mossberg with wood stock is at MOA or below, with store bought rounds. Now my rifle is custom made with a 1/8 twist but I did that 40 years ago. Why in the world would you buy a 6.8 western? or a 6.5 creed. 6.5 prc.? my 270 win. out performs them all and has done so, for 40 years. As a matter of fact the 270 win. on a lot of game deer sized and below, if shot too close, it is way, way too much gun, at least if you want to have anything left to eat. Again I am really not sure why Jack O'Connor had to shoot twice?? Mice to Moose, lions, tigers and bears? oh my? No they are all dead. 270 win. Get you one, you will never regret it. and use only Nosler Partitions, will never fail you. Great show, but no sell. ;)
The 270 Winchester is a fantastic iconic cartridge with a wonderful history and an excellent short range shooter. Millions of deer have been harvested with the 270. Having both a 270 Winchester and a 6.8 Western, the 270 is not in the same league as the 6.8 Western. The 6.8 Western wins in all categories; accuracy, energy at long range, efficiency and is a short action. I love my 270 Winchester, but the 6.8 Western is a much better cartridge and is here to stay. I will still use my 270 for hunting at short ranges, but my 6.8 Western will be used for long range hunting and target shooting. We all still love the iconic 270 and is a cartridge of time, but there is always change. In this time of fast twist barrels and high BC bullets, it’s hay day has passed.
I have never had one , shot one , really wanted one .... so ya Chuck is likely right but the fact they are so common Vs all the new rounds that are useless ??? I say No ! We have too many Rounds the do the same thing & for logistics would all be better off without many of them . 45 gap .. 1/2 the NEW rounds 6.5 WTF ...
Obsolete: adj: no longer produced or used; out of date. Yeah... no. When you're top 5 in SKUs on most websites and top 10 on them all, you're not obsolete. Are there better options? Yeah. Is it worth switching to a 6.5 or 7mm cal magnum if you have a .270? No.
RE: 30-06 a light weight is more like 150gr - 165 gr a 30-06 is more common in 180gr for a hunting round for the big stuff . I like 308 best 150 to 168 gr
Ya need to stop listening to the bs that said with rifle and bullet manufacturers it's a con to get people to buy the latest calibre that shoots 150 fps faster with 20% more powder I'll stick to the obsolete 270
The more and more I observe current thoughts on the many new rifles, cartridges , ballistic coefficents, and the ongoing search for ever better cartridges, I keep finding myself going back to the older rounds like 270 win, 3006, 300 HH etc. I have taken more than 65 deer with my 270win at ranges from 15 meters to 620 meters. All dropped and filled the freezer. I also have a 7mm rem mag because I like the heavier bullets that the 270win can not be loaded with. But when I decide to hunt, I always look for my 270 win.. I take my 7mm mag as backup. I do not see much use in using any other calibers for what I hunt.
A classic, yes. Obsolete?…Far from it! The .270 Winchester may not be the most efficient cartridge with the highest BC bullets, but it’s a fast moving flat shooter out to 400 yards and handles a wide range of game with authority. Just because there are newer cartridges that will accomplish the same or better doesn’t mean the .270 won’t continue right on filling freezers. Words mean things, dude. The .270 is in no way obsolete. Obsolescence means that the technology has progressed so far that there is no longer use for it beyond niche applications (I.e. flintlocks for PA muzzleloader season). The .270 is extremely useful and popular, and will be for decades to come.
Ammo selection right now for PRC on ammo seek sucks. No 150 grains. And its $3.50 a round!! Ammo selection for 6.8 western and there is nothing available on the entire internet lol. Obsolete? There's plenty of .270 around. I don't just like to zero with 6 shots and put it in the safe until a hunt. I like to shoot as well!! Practice, train. All the calibers besides .308 you talked about are not available or too expensive. With all that said. 270 is the best most practical caliber right now because it's available and affordable.
Love my .270win killed 15+ deer with mine and 1 elk. People get stuck on the numbers and no the .270 is not the best cartridge currently but it works great and thats the reason its still hanging around.
Never owned a 270. But have owned 8 30-06 rifles and still own 3. I have had excellent results with 1 shot kills with .308 bullets. I don' t hunt deer or larger with less than .308 diameter.
To say the 270 is obsolete is about like saying the F-16 is obsolete. Are there better planes being made that are more capable on paper for what the F-16 does? Yes. So many other nations have purchased the F-16 knowing that fact. But it offers performance, support and value that is more than satisfactory even today. Those 3 reasons are why the 270 isn’t truly obsolete. Technically it is. But in reality no. I do thank you for putting together the video and all your efforts in others. Safe and fun shooting to you!
You made a good point up until you said it was obsolete technically. That is not true. There are other cartridges to choose from but that does not make any of them technically better. Barrel length could make a difference with whether a cartridge would be better than another. There are a lot of factors to be considered in a rifle and cartridge down to the bullet and power as well. Overall, your answer was the best I have seen to the ridiculous statement that the 270 was obsolete. It will be alive and well after we all have died of old age.
.270 works great for me here in Georgia. In the northern half of the state, you don't shoot deer at long ranges, at least I haven't. I don't have it in me to hunt bears, so I only care about what works on deer. I have a cheap remington 7400 .270. I probably shoot 0-5 rounds actually hunting every year. At the range, my gun is the issue, not the .270 cartridge. The 7400 has a weak barrel, so sighting in a scope requires you wait a couple minutes between shots for the barrel to cool. My brother's fancy .270 is okee-dokee at 6-700 yards and you can take shot after shot, and use basically any .270 ammo, if you compensate for drop, etc.. With my little remington, I stick to Federal and Remington ammo. No problems in 15 years. I have a ton of ammo in my gun locker, so I'll probably never need another cartridge or even a better gun. My scope is 50 times better than my gun, but hey, whatever.
Scope should be 50 times better. Bear sausage is delicious but the way. Good hunting my friend. What part of North Georgia? My parents lived in Ellijay
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I feel the 270 will be around for years to come. I have lots of friends young and old that still love it. I for one have always loved the 3006. I recently bought a new rifle. I almost pulled the trigger on a 6.5 PRC and then the 6.8 western came out. I took a gamble and bought the 6.8 western in a Browning X bolt . I hope it takes off.
I’d rather have a 6.8. Heavier bullets by far than a 6.5 PRC, which is essentially a warmed over 270win and identical in performance out to ethical hunting ranges.
Your right about the draw backs but it makes no sense about the bullet weights. 270 win is a hunting cartridge only it was not created to shoot long range match bullets. Most hunters don’t kill animals past 300 yards so making it shoot bullets 100-140g completely makes sense. It wasn’t created to out do the 30-06 but to compliment it. It was to shoot thinner skinned game with less recoil. It does a great job at that so if it doesn’t work as well on bear, moose and elk that makes sense it wasn’t designed to.
@@AlaskanBallistics ya absolutely not to bash the video at all. Just so many videos about long range ballistics and cross sectional density. In hunting delivering energy in the right place is the goal and ethical hunting is paramount. I would rather have a 200g 35 Whelen load than a 200g 30-06 when hunting something that can kill you.
280 Rem tends to be loaded a bit soft as it was chambered in some older pumps and self loaders. Have a look at the European 7x64 and what that can do with modern load data.
The 280, properly handloaded for a bolt action rifle, actually does surpass the 270 slightly. Loaded with 160gr Nosler Partitions, it is a efficient and deadly rifle.
you just dont need more than a 150 in a .270. in fact, there isn't anything on the planet you cant kill with a .270 and a 130 grain partition. honestly, there is no reason to use any other than 150-180 grain bullets in a 30-06, and you dont see much outside of 140-165 in 7mm. if a 180 grain safari load isnt enough out of .30-06, your not using enough rifle and your HOPING the 220 works, imo.
No it’s not. Fact of the matter all the rounds you compared it to except 30-06 won’t be around in the future. The 270 will make it into the future. Ballistics mean nothing if the it’s not on shelf.
Disagree... 6.5 prc is here to stay because of long range competition. .280 AI has a popular cult following, even Rom Spomer mentions it. Now the 6.8 western... yeah that's hit or miss I'll give you that one. Other manufacturers besides browning and Winchester need to start supporting it.
@@AlaskanBallistics 6.5 and 300 PRC seems to have gained more success from heavy marketing. The 300 Norma seems to be another contender, but not many manufacturers are chambering it. It seems to be a efficient cartridge against the PRCs.
Never owned a .270. Always shot .30-06, and 7mag, until I started collecting Weatherbys. Going to get a 6.8 Western, soon as they become more available. Prices will go down then.
@@bustabass9025 yes usually… but it is just like the new 30 super carry. Cheap guns are being made and ammo has to be cheap in order for it to sell and gain users. 30 super carry is cheaper then 380 right now because they want to sell this new product. Same with 6.8western at least a couple months back for sure. 6.8 western was in stock from February to September nonstop at major online stores and always cheaper then the well established cartridges.
anyways I seen this and I passed on it and then I was looking on UA-cam and some other dude is complaining about the 270 is not going extinct or some bullshit
Where I grew up in South Africa the .270 reigned supreme. We used it on springbuck, eland, and everything in between. The '06 is better in every objective metric, but I still like the .270 better. I live on the East coast of Canada now, and while it would not be my first choice for moose, I wouldn't hesitate to take the shot if that was all I had.
Nelline, a 150 grain Partition behind some H4831SC is good for about 2,810 feet per second. That’s just about 1,980 foot pounds of energy at 200 yards. That load has been taking moose in Maine for over half a century. Yes more is better, but good enough is good enough.
Something I see missing in comparing 6.5 PRC or 6.8 Western against the 270 is weight. Even though it has a longer action a Kimber Montana 270 is over half a pound lighter than one in 300 WSM(the action you’d need for 6.5 PRC or 6.8 Western). Just my opinion but that much weight savings trumps 100-200 fpe, 2+ in drop, and 2+ in windage at 500yds. 270 still has my vote when all those options are considered.
@@AlaskanBallistics in all honesty I’ve always been something of a pack mule myself. Carry what I love to hunt with really. As I’ve gotten older the lighter stuff starts to make more sense though
No, newer cartridges that slightly outperform an older one doesn’t make it obsolete. I really think it’s more about selling more rifles. Start the right bullet in the right caliber at 2700-2800 fps and you’ll be able to do what you need to do out to 300-400 yards. I think the chambering issues are more a rifle maker issue than a cartridge issue. Kind of like revolver manufacturers being unable for some reason to properly chamber .45 Colt.
@@AlaskanBallistics It is strange, but .270 has a set case length and COAL, just like the others. It’s the firearms maker’s job to cut a chamber to that spec, not a cartridge issue when they don’t.
@@AlaskanBallistics That’s a good question, and goes back to my earlier point. Why did the big 3 willfully mis-chamber .45 Colt revolvers when they didn’t any other caliber? That’s how the old “weak .45 Colt brass” myth got started. They just seem to get weird ideas in their heads and are reluctant to fix them.
270 is a good cartridge I’ve used one for years. But with todays bullet and powder technology it’s an underachiever. I’m pushing a 120 ttsx in 7mm08 at 3200fps with Winchester StaBall 6.5. And 130s at 3050 plus. I used to buy nothing but long action cartridges but have sold and bought now nothing but short actions. I gave my browning 270 to my son for his first deer rifle and it’s perfect for him. However I switched to 338 federal, 7mm08 and 6.5x284 Norma which is a long action but a great performer. To me it’s just never been brought up to date like most other cartridges. So it stays in its place as an old classic
I don’t agree with other commenters saying new chamber throat dimensions and bbl twist rates making the 270 more popular. More capable? Certainly. Truly necessary? No. In that I DO agree with your “classic” statement. However I disagree about your new components statement. New components like RL23 & 26, 7977 and not-so-new MagPro along with LRXs, AccuBonds, etc take the 270 considerably further than what some would consider giving it credit for
@@robertfree1908 I completely agree with you. With new components you can get the 270 close to magnum performance. However there is a place for 270 in talks for a great big game cartridge. I just feel that with the way cartridge design is going and being able to get great performance out of smaller even heavy hitters like the nosler series of cartridges the 270 is getting pushed to the back. 30-06 is still one of the best all around cartridges around because of versatility. 270 could be that way.
@@AlaskanBallistics that’s certainly a combo I’d like to try in my 84L. It has a 10” twist so I think it would stabilize. I’ve been playing with 325 WSM, 358 Win(talk about obsolete[but I love it!!]!), 30-30, 357mag, 44 Special and 45 Colt so much lately I have dedicated time to much else. Honestly I have a bunch of the boring-to-some classic 140gr InterLocks that are just begging for full power testing with RL19&22, 4831s, vv165, 7977, MagPro, Hunter, 7828 and others so finding that time for 129LRX may prove difficult. But I’m getting more curious about it as I text this😉
Some of these differences only become an issue at longer ranges. Remember, recoil is an issue for younger shooters and the .270 has always been much more tolerable than a 30 caliber rifle for those wanting more than a .243. Lots of good rifles, scopes and ammo these days.
@@AlaskanBallistics It does have a cult following, but it didn’t take off because the .270 was established and popular before modern powders could extract the performance capabilities from the .25-06. That, and the 6mms sucked away almost all of the demand that the .25s had enjoyed up until 1955. When the .25-06 was commercialized in 1969, it was already OBSOLETE! lol. Really though, for the practical hunter needing a flat shooting deer/predator cartridge, why get a .25-06 when you could have a .243 which is a better varmint cartridge and adequate deer cartridge, or a .270, which is a fabulous deer cartridge, and can be flexed into other roles, from varmint hunting to moose hunting?
The ammo for a .270, .308, 30-06 are all similar prices. The ammo for 280AI, 6.5 prc, and 6.8 western are more expensive. I would say bang for your buck. The .270 is still a pretty decent cartridge. Deffinately not obsolete.
Before the current events and ongoing plague I picked up a lefty ruger hawkeye 270. Never used a 270 before but I will try it and I also bought lots of factory ammo and lots of bullets and reload supply. I think the 30-06 is more universal and perhaps useful but until last year 270 ammo was very cheap and plentiful in my area. I'm agnostic on how I feel about it or like or dislike but time will tell. I've got lots of affordable Speer and hornady bullets to load and practice in it and plenty of the Federal premium factory mono ammo for hunting.
I notice there are all the sudden genius experts everywhere. Probably dude/Alaska got popular enough to get paid off by Hornady to bad mouth the 270W. I have a Stevens model 200 in 270win shoots great lightweight. I have a thousands of brass imr and AA 4350, 4831, DP-85, thousands of bullets. Obsolete is someone who has not prepared. My deer are going to drop just fine. I also have an 7x57 yugo mauser in 49 graines of h414 throwing a 120 grain ttsx 2900 fps definately NOT obsolete.
I listened to Chuke's rebuttal and, in my opinion, he didn't do too good of a job. So, I'm going to put my two cents into it. IF... There's anything wrong with the 270, it is the barrel twist. If you don't get MOA out of a rifle, it is usually, the rifle's barrel quality and/ are the person behind the rifle. When you compare a 270 to other calibers you can only truly compare it a 30-06 based cartridge. No 308 based cartridge can statistically outperform it. The only cartridges that can outperform a 270 are in the Magnum class. A 300 Win mag, 7 mm Remington mag, 6.5 PRC, 270 WSM, 300 WSM, and 6.8 Western are all magnums. And these cases the drawback is recoil. Compared to the 270, 308 has more recoil as well as all these magnums. When it comes to reloading I'll have to argue that that is biased and it's not standardized. Thus, it cannot be used in a comparison due to the manipulation factor. So to be fair we have to look at factory ammo. As it states, you compare apples to apples. Example- Factory Hornady eld-x ammo would be a fair comparison. Another issue is the design usage. Example- a 6.8 SPC was designed for a 14" barrel. Hornady bases they're ballistics of a 6.8 SPC for 16-in barrel. There are those who try to compare a 6.5 Grendel to the 6.8 SPC. A Grendel's ballistics is based on a 24 inch barrel. When you compare the ballistics between a 16-in barrel and a 24 inch barrel it's not s fair comparison. When you shoot a 6.5 Grand in a 16-in barrel it actually is below the ballistics of a 6.8 SPC. Thus, the comparisons should be based on usage. The 270 was designed for honey and flatter shooting at distance. So, for any reasonable ethical hunting situation, 500 yards should be maximum. And in most cases 500 yd is long way except certain types of sheep and prairie style hunts and most hunters shoot well at that distance. In most scenarios is more about the person. Most people are too fat or lazy to stalk to a closer range. Also there's a mindset a bigger is better. "I use a 300 Win mag to make sure that it drops." Ok,... How far would be your max shot? "Oh, about 200 yd" that is total Overkill. The only issues with the 270 is the standard 1-10 twist rate, which can be easily solved by changing to a 1-8 twist rate. Thus, newer and higher BC bullets can be properly utilized. But, at present, that entails reloading In closing, if you can find a cartridge that has less recoil and superior ballistics than a 270 ,all things given, then you have a good comparison.
@@AlaskanBallistics it is a interesting round. It has a pound less recoil than a 270. the same weight bullet has better BC. Loads basically at the same muzzle velocity and comes in a short action I have an extra action sitting around it might be a good project. I I'd like to see how the new 150 long range noslers that you talked about would work
It is far from obsolete. I don't know what you have been shooting but I have not seen a 270 that can't shoot sub-MOA. I could even get sub-MOA 5 shot groups out of my father's semi-auto 7400 Remington. Of course, you are in Alaska, and I wouldn't choose a 270 to hunt there just because one might end up with a bear in their face and not enough gun for pure safety. I find the 270 a very accurate cartridge like the 25-06 and even the 22-250. But we all have our opinions. It seems you were praising the 6.5 Creedmoor and its ballistics are similar, but it does not make a 270 obsolete. Some other cartridges that shoot the same bullet will never make the 270 obsolete either. Because buying ammo off the shelf you often can't even find those calibers at the local store if you buy ammo for your hunt even when ammo is not hard to find. You are entitled to your opinion and shouldn't even own one if you really feel that way. BTW I have a couple of 6.5 Creedmoor's as well as a 270 and I love them all. The Creedmoor is more forgiving and will produce tighter groups, more easily but they will all shoot sub-MOA with the right loads and bullets.
I didn't say the 6.5 creedmoor is better than the .270. People keep putting that in the comments... i wonder if their listening skills need to be worked on.
@@toddjohnson271 Where do you get no longer produced? I just purchased a new 270 rifle this last year. It is still chambered in new rifles and still sells. Ammo is easy to find as well. You can try to spin what you said but it isn't going to make it right no matter how long you spin it. Sorry but you are wrong. You can have an opinion, but you have no substance in your reasoning.
The choice of 270 winchester for the most overrated cartridge is interesting, especially when it seems you're talking from a hunting standpoint. Your points of chamber issues and magazine length are a bit funny, when that's got nothing to do with the cartridge, but rather the actual firearms manufacturer. You also mentioned that the 270 has no match grade ammunition, and isn't accurate. It has no match grade ammunition because since it's inception it has always been deemed a simple meat getter. A favorite sako 75 that my grandfather owned won it's division at a local 500 yard groundhog shoot, and came in 3rd overall. Beating out 6ppcs, 243 ackleys, 338 lapuas, and other well known target rounds. So then, is the accuracy problem inherent to the cartridge, or the lack of match grade factory ammunition? If it's the ammunition that's the problem, then it's the fault of gun and ammo makers. Then again, I don't get why you brought up federal's match ammo in the first place when this seems to be a hunting debate. If it is a hunting debate, then the answer to most overrated cartridge is easily the 6.5 creedmoor. It was designed as a long range target cartridge, and has been adapted to be a long range hunting cartridge. The problem is that it's most at home under 300yds on deer and elk sized game. Then the high bc eld-x starts to come apart and not maintain it's weight. At that point you need to look into something like an interbond or partition, or a barnes x. At which point you're losing out on the .625 bc that made it good in the first place. At that point you just have a cartridge firing similar bullets to the 270, but 150-200fps slower. I just don't see the advantage in the situation.
I love my 6.5 creedmoor but i agree that it's no .270 for hunting. My point is that there's no match grade chamber so every rifle is different and many many rifles have that too long for the magazine issues. I will say that my 6.5 creedmoor with the barnes lrx 127gr performed flawlessly at 288 yards on caribou. But it's the 6.5 prc that is better than .270, the 6.5x284 Norma that's a tie or at least almost ties the .270, and the 6.5 creedmoor is way under powered comparatively. It works fine as a hunting round but you need a hunting bullet not eld-x... that we agree on.
Chuck..My Man. You know I love ya right? But....the 270 Win? Man, that stung because it is my go to rifle. I will, as always, give respect where it is due. Your top three reasons are very well (perhaps too well) thought out. I have a Ruger M77 that hasn't failed me yet. Maybe I need to play with more rifles until I fail, but I'll just stick with my winner. Keep up the good work! God bless, Shoot straight, Stay safe! - Hedge
I'm sitting here reloading for my wife's tikka .270 lol I'm not saying don't use it. Go caress and fondle rifle so it doesn't have it's feelings hurt. Godspeed and Good hunting.
There was not a lot of facts in this video You can argue that there are better cartridges for specific animals yes but the 30-06 is the only other cartridge that is as versatile but it has more recoil. Both can shoot anything from coyotes to moose. That is one gun for everything vs 1 gun for every species. Every chamber is different and to be measured. Tikka is known for having short magazines. My Remington adl has plenty of room for longer bullets and seating. Since you only have one rifle you can change the barrel to a match barrel or get a different twist even they do make them. The 270 loaded correctly is one of the flattest shooting cartridges out there. Even competes with these new cartridges and it’s 100 years old. New bullet technologies have helped it a lot. Also it can be loaded hotter than most manufacturers have it so hand-loaders will get even better performance. Only one claim is true but it is true about every cartridge. IMO with the versatility, recoil, and ballistics, there are only a handful of other cartridges that are similar.
No, the 270 is not obsolete, it is a fantastic cartridge. You can find 270 on the shelves at reasonable prices. If you are fortunate enough to find 6.5cm or 6.8western, it will be $40-$50/box, and 270 is superior ballistically to 6.5cm. 6.5cm is a great marketing ploy for an unnecessary cartridge.
The 270 is a good round but the 7 mm Mag and 30.06 are far better choices for all around do anything rounds...in my opinion ! I have a 7 mm Mag and love it , a 308 would be another good round. 😏
“Far better” being relative. For deer as far as you want to shoot? Not really. For moose/eland with 7mag and 175 Partition? Yes. For Brown bear with 30-06 and 200 Partition? Certainly!
@@strat1080 hard to argue with this statement since I would feel comfortable and certainly NOT undergunned hunting anything non dangerous with a full house 150gr Partition in 270 with a bbl 22” and up
I was looking at 300 win mag or 270 for Montana hunting. I’m leaning towards the 270. Can’t find ammo for 300 win anywhere basically. It’s twice the cost. And the 150 ABLR in 270 I’ve heard is pretty reliable for elk. I have considered 30-06 as well. But ammo is also an issue for cost and availability for that too. I am taking your advice on picking up a Bergera just gotta pick the caliber. I appreciate your opinion, what ya think ?
@@AlaskanBallistics I currently do not hand load and am unable to make the investment, probably just gonna pickup a couple boxes to sight in and have for hunting season. I can get a couple boxes somewhere I’m sure online. Thank you, I’ll be going with the 300. I’ve watched your best bullet selection videos and right now all I can get is some Barnes TTSX or Sierra Game kings.
The only thing wrong with 270 is the current huge lack of ammo production for it for some reason. I love my Ruger Hawkeye in .270. its a great accurate hunting rifle. Also .270 win must be a great caliber, that is really accurate and forgiving because Chuke can hit a target with it and hit a target at 1000 yards( we should see proof as I've seen him miss to many 10 yard targets on his videos). If I had to go through my rifles and get to one or 2 my 270 would be high on the keep list.
Here in Ohio just about the only ammo all over the place is 270 and 308 - Cabelas, Bass Pro, Field and Stream. The latter had at least 100 boxes on the shelf of 270 in a variety of brands
I'd say "reloading" will be obsolete do to components availability and pricing way before 270 is obsolete. If dont have the stuff already, why even buy equipment and components? Just look at how hard it is to find primers, especially for shotgun/inline m-loaders. If your lucky enough to find a magic load, you will be lucky to find the same components to duplicate results. Id say on on the shelf ammo, common calibers(6.5 CM is common now as 243 to 30-06) will do well and the new hot rods of the day will suffer and possibly fade unless components availability comes back as well as being well stocked on shelves.
Great video. I think the .270 is a great round and will continue to be, but holy cow, some of the .270 lovers think it is the be all, end all of cartridges!
Too stupid to rebut. Just suffice to say that it's been anchoring game in it's tracks since 1925. You don't need match chambered receiver. It's going to anchor game at real world distances. All your problems with the .270 are just that, yours.
@@AlaskanBallistics Just humored that you apparently don't know the definition. I'll help you out with the dictionary definition: ob·so·lete /ˌäbsəˈlēt/ adjective 1. no longer produced or used; out of date.
The .280 AI is the new .270 Win. If Jack O'Connor were alive today he'd probably opt for the .280 AI over the .270 Win. Jack O'Connor was a pragmatist and a practical man.
I just sold my .270 for a 6.5 creedmoor. I hunt in GA where shots on deer and hogs are generally under 100yds. I think the .270 is a good 200yd+ deer cartridge. Also, in my experience you're going to find chambering differences between manufacturers no matter the cartridge. First step to reloading for a new rifle is to measure your max COAL.
When considering availability of ammo and components allong with barrel life and recoil it is a solid choice not too big not too small if you hunt open country. The fact is when it is compared to calibres of the same approximate size it does very well. Conparing it to a 6.5 prc is a bit unfair in my book they fall into different categories and when arguing ballistics the point can perpetually be argued to where your shooting animals with a 338 lapua or 300 rum. If one is looking for a midrange calibre with good performance and relatively low recoil the 270, 280, 7x64 etc. All tick the same boxes it will come down to availability and preferences. 270 will alwayse be popular.
My Sig SHR, in .270 Win., prints less than half-inch groups at 200 yards. Of course from a solid bench rest. I will get another if I find one. Ammo? Been stashing, and shooting, for many years. Anybody got a 30-06 switch barrel for the Sig ?
It is interesting to see/read cartridge discussions. Opinions on what is more relevant and less relevant. I think for the masses what makes something more relevant is availability, marketing and how a name rolls off the tongue. “270 Winchester”. “6-5 Creedmoor” they just roll off the tongue. Historical performance speaks volumes and influences consideration as well. When the 270 was introduced it only real competition that was readily available(in the U.S.) the 30-06 and the 250 Savage. The 270 handily outreached(30-06[‘20s standards]) and/or outpowered(250 Savage) it’s competition. It earned it’s place on the shelves over a couple of decades or so of effort. It’s so entrenched I don’t think it’s going anywhere anytime soon. Even the 6-5 Creed took about 8 years to get where it is. At this point I think it is entrenched as a hunting let alone target cartridge(though, like the 250 Savage of it’s time, too much is asked of it imo). But a couple of other things that have helped the 6-5 Creed along(like the 9x19) is low recoil(it’s a fact we are weaker/more sensitive as human beings than decades before) and not just availability but literally being swamped with them by every manufacturer wanting a piece of the bandwagon pie. I’ll stop my ranting there. I love em all really
Good video. I love my .270 but admit there are better cartridges out there. The thing about .270 is that the vast majority of US hunters are 200 yards and in, whitetail hunters, that only shoot their guns twice a year. You can walk into any gun shop and find a used .270 and ammo and kill any whitetail you'll come across with less recoil than a 30-06 or 308. For most shooters less recoil means more accurate shots and more ethical kills. .270 in my mind is still the whitetail king. Keep up the videos man, love your channel. God bless.
@@AlaskanBallistics so you love a 6.5 Manbun but you call the 270 win. a womens gun ?? this is just degenerating into what what football team you follow..
@@AlaskanBallistics I highly recommend you try a Benelli lupo rifle if you get a chance. Recently had a chance to shoot one in 3006 and. Omg,. It shoots rounds in the same hole at 100yards. It wasn't mine ,just a guy at the range . But omg awesome rifle
As someone who bought a .270 only opportunistically (I found a lovingly cared for 1980s era Remington 700 BDL at a price I couldn't pass up), I have to agree with EVERY point you made. I reload, and I have to seat the bullets WAAAY far out, as bad as for an old Brazilian 7mm Mauser. Even so, my groups with every combination of bullet/powder/charge weight etc. I've tried are 1.5 - 2 moa, fine for hunting at practical (for me) ranges but not for bragging, even on the internet when there are no fact checkers measuring my groups. If I want groups to brag about I'll load up some 6.5x55 Swede and take out my CZ550 or one of my M38s. (I haven't taken the 6.5 Creedmore plunge yet, mainly due to limited safe capacity...) Still, I won't ever sell my .270. The old gal will get it done, perhaps just not as efficiently as some of the other choices. GREAT video, thanks for brightening my evening up! 😊
Yea, it's probably obsolete in the sense that I don't think there are many good reasons to get one now. There are better 6.5s, .30s, 7mms, and even a better .277 (6.8 Western).
That said, like many "obsolete" cartridges, a good firearm, some good ammo, and a good reloading press can take you very far.
Amen brother. Best comment of the day.
7 SAUM is pretty comparable but 6.5 is not gonna be used for moose. 30s have a lot more recoil and or not as flat. Most 7mms are high recoil. The new 6.8 western is more recoil as well and in a lighter gun since it’s short action. Also 6.8 western and 270 wsm are almost identical, but 6.8 takes longer and heavier bullets and has a different barrel twist. Performance based they are the same out to hunting ranges as the wsm is faster. It was just a way for them to sell more guns and ammo instead of just making bullets.
@James Lyman plenty of videos with 6.5 prc killing moose. Also 6.5x55 has been doing it in Scandinavia for years.
@@AlaskanBallistics since 1896💪
@@AlaskanBallistics 6.5x55 killing moose for over a hundred years!
The hatred directed at this cartridge as of late has only made me love it more.
Good for you
Amen! And I’ve seen so much of the opposite for the 6.5 Creedmoor
I think .270 is a great cartridge, but I'm putting my hand up for the 6.5 swede.
@@maybecole another great cartridge. This one even older than the 30-30 Winchester!
@@robertfree1908 It's at least a few years older than my 1906 Carl Gustaf, thats for sure!
2025 The .270 Winchester will have a 100 years taking game across this whole world. Nothing else to be said.
And in 2125 the 6.5 prc will have it. Not a valid reason to say it's superior
@@AlaskanBallistics he didn't say it was superior he said it still works just like it always has.
Certainly implied
I would say the 7mm Rem mag is the Most Over rated. 270 win 150 gr Accubond will take anything in N America , but I would use a 250 gr 35 Whelan for Grizz
My 7mm Rem Mag sends a 150gr bullet over 300 fps days than 270
Can’t wait for chukes rebuttal! Been using my 270 here in Michigan for deer for years and it hammers them…definitely not obsolete since it’s readily available in every gun store and hardware store…I do have. 6.5 creed and ammo is super hard to find under $50/box
Yeah it's obsolete but didn't mean it isn't getting used. All rifle ammo is hard to find here.
In my opinion 270 winchester is perfect for what it does. You used the word obsolete and another guy used overrated but I will use the word workhorse..
Fair enough. Workhorses are obsolete compared to my truck 😜 just kidding I know what you mean!!!
@@AlaskanBallistics well with the price of fuel it might be cheaper here soon to trade that truck in for a horse and cart.
Truth
Why is the 270 obsolete...............Reason #1 If we didn't have new cartridges introduced then we wouldn't have a reason to buy more rifles. You Tubers would go broke, The gun industry would shrink, World economies would fail, folks would live in peace.
When world economies fail, people don't live in peace
I like a lot of the middle of the road stuff including the .270. Not because I think it's the best at anything, but because it's good enough for me in the situations I would use it for.
Are there better rounds for anything I would use that type of round for? Absolutely. None of them, outside of the 30-06, has the history of the .270. That's my biggest draw to the .270 is the history.
I don't hate this video.
Great comment buddy! 🍻
No. History shows the .270 Win to be the best Western hunting caliber ever. All this about other calibers with 50 fps more velocity are laughable. The results of the past 100 years say this is all bloviation meant to drive traffic to his and his buddy's channel
I trust my 140gr load with anything I ask my 3/8” shooting 270win to do. Perfect caribou round. Idk. I just like it.
Nothing wrong with that...
I hate it too.....I hate that it’s as effective as my 30-06, 35 Wheelen, 30-30 and 7mm-08.
Lol good one 😁
Just bought a Ruger American in a .270 it is hands down the most accurate rifle I’ve ever shot. Absolutely love this cartridge
That's not the cartridge but the gun. But congrats, have fun hunting.
How small are it's groups?
The way you tell if a bullet is obsolete is by checking the shelves. So ….. I would say you are dead wrong on this. Doesn’t matter if other calibers are better. The 270 is awesome. There are maby others that are better in their current manufacturing. When you say ok , let’s mass produce 6.5prc( because it is much better than creedmore)…. Then you start having consistency issues with it as well. Choose any ofher round and tbe same applies.
I agree... the .270 is still on the shelves. The 6.5 prc is sold out everywhere because more people want it, these days lol 😆
@@AlaskanBallistics including myself. I really would like to have one of the prc’s but i cant see myself buying until i can get ammo. Usually i like to have atleast 1000 rounds. If i can get 2-300 of this I will get one. Rhat could be awhile
Let me know if you see just v the brass
@@AlaskanBallistics sure will
Thanks brother
Yeah they said 284 made the 270 obsolete or was it the 6.5 Remington mag. That’s right it was both.Now it’s the 6.5 prc which is no better then the 6.5 rem.mag. Was. Ammo for prc is impossible to find right now and when you can it’s at least twice the price.rifle with bullets kills much better than one with no bullets.
6.5 prc can be found in the same low end rifles. I found a bunch just a few weeks back. I'm a handloader so it matters not
@@AlaskanBallistics good luck with it. Save your brass. I didn’t see you put 5 different boxes of prc on the table from different makers wonder why that was. But new calibers and rifles to shoot them is always a good thing. I hope the prc really takes off. I actually had a 6.5 prc in my cart but before I bought it I looked for ammo and there was none. I also hand load so looked for brass there was none so bought a browning ab3 in 270 because I know I can always feed it. I love your channel and look forward to your videos on 6.5 prc vs 270.you might change my mind and I will have to get one.may god keep you and your family in the hollow of his hand
And don’t forget 264 win mag ages ago.
I read a lot of comments and take them at face value. To say that the 270 is obsolete I think is a bit premature. Are there cartridges that outperform it, yes. I think that the real difference between the 270 vs 6.8 western is the heavy for caliber bullets and modern technology that wasn’t available when the 270 was introduced. Have always thought that the best caliber is the one that you can consistently shoot well and know that your caliber has the power to get the job done.
There was something that was brought to my attention just recently about the 270 and that is barrel twist. If one wants to shoot the longer bullets for long range, you need a faster twist than the 1-10 you commonly get in the rifle. I limit myself to 300 yards or less, so it does not matter to me to not use those high BC bullets. But for some people that want to shoot long range with better accuracy it might. The 270 will never be obsolete. It is one of those cartridges that can be purchased easier than most about anywhere they sell ammo. Not so with some of the newer cartridges or the ones that there are not a lot of guns out there to feed.
Can't find 270 in Alaska right now
@@AlaskanBallistics since the fake flu it's been pretty hard to find but I've had the most luck finding it at Walmart. Got about 6 boxes within the last 6 months. They had more but my funds are limited by 4 kids only 1 income lol.
@@EDCIndiana i heard that. I've got enough plus i handload. Ironically, this rifle likes the 130 Winchester PowerPoint factory more than anything I've handloaded except for the 100gr gmx...
In the fact of certain specialty ballistics you can beat 30. 06 and 270 Win. As a total versatile package they're hard to beat. And I don't own either, lol.
Oh boy.... Jack O' Conner is rolling over in his grave. I like the 270 Win and I don't think it's obsolete. It's still one of the best selling hunting cartridges. I hope that factory rifles make the twist rates faster for the 270 Win. That would for sure future proof it and make it a much more versatile cartridge.
"Jack O'Conner" and Elmor Keith those were the days. Had to laugh when I saw that "Jack O'Conner". Old memories ya know. I'll go with both and hang on to my 270 Winchester Ranger and my 44 MAG. Thanks for the memories ✨
Agreed
D#$%mn right!
Well, my dad rest his soul, wouldn't take to kindly to you putting down his 270. He loved his Remington pump and was such a good, fast shot with it. But it's all interesting to me and fun to analyze the various rounds that we have now. We are rich these days with so many choices. I personally have taken a liken to the 308 lately and have been able to find ammo for it. Good shooting.😊
@@michaellane4003 A 270 Remington Pump. Wow that's a keeper, not too many 270 pump's around👌 There's some history there I bet. It was the Alaskans yelling for something that could get out further than the 06. Winchester came up with the 270 in 1925 and it seemed to please them with longer shots, short story of the 270.
The .270 made its debut in 1925. The fact that it’s still around and still as popular as it is should tell us something. A caliber that does so well on all sorts big game in North America and is so easy to shoot is not obsolete. Are there some calibers that are flatter shooting than .270 yes. That doesn’t mean that .270 is going anywhere.
I didn't say it was going anywhere... just said other calibers are better.
@@AlaskanBallistics I do like a lot of the 6.5 cal cartridges. 6.5 creedmore kind of reminds me of the craze that hit when 260 Remington made its debut. Difference is that 6.5 creedmore has enjoyed better support from the get go than 260 ever did. Also it’s more accurate than 260 as well as marketed better.
I agree. Though I don't think the 6.5 creedmoor are better than the .270
@@AlaskanBallistics maybe other calibers are just different, not necessarily better. Seems like I am hearing about more problems with 6.5 calibers for larger elk size game, or similar sized African game. This despite their greater energy.
I'd bet that is bullet selection, as 6.5x55 has been killing moose for 100 years in Scandinavia
The 270 Win will still be alive and well when you are 6 feet under. There are so many of the rifles out there that you will always have ammo. There isn't any rifle that is the same chamber from rifle to rifle. Just all the reasons you mentioned about what it was good for defeated your comment of its obsolete. I just bought one recently and just because I didn't have one. Many new cartridges have their purposes but most of them are suited only for longer range shots that are not common to that much hunting mostly target shooting. I am sure your friends counter will out do the likes of your video. There is a cost factor that is a positive as long as easy to get ammo.
The 270 is a awesome caliber and always will be a spot in the safe for one. For the time it was introduced we didn’t have the bc bullets then. I think we are splitting hairs on all the calibers comparing them together.
Ehhh maybe.
Many comparisons have some real inequities.
Your Clickbait-Fu is strong. 😂
Thank you
I was unaware of the hate untill last week at work when my buddy found out I hunt with my 270 more than I do my 7mmag
To each their own brother. I own a .270 for my wife
Like you said, every thing is close! But two things make it great! First, you can find the 270 win in most places that you won't find some of the others, and two its history. The old saying is " if it ain't broken, don't fix it "!
Can't find .270 win here hardly at all. Especially not the goodstuff
Can’t take 3 steps in Minnesota without tripping over a box of .270 cartridges…rarely see 6.5 PRC or 6.8 Western. When I do, they’re expensive. I looked at your tables. I was impressed at how well the old .270 stacked up with those fancy magnums. The .270 never claimed that title…funny how it hangs right in there. I won’t be getting rid of my .270s any time soon, it does everything I need it to do. But then again, I only need it to kill deer, yotes, and the occasional black bear. So far, so good.
Here in Alabama you can find .270 Winchester ammo everywhere. Even some gas stations. Lol
I heard the same thing about 30 30 Winchester . But somebody must like it ammunition is hard to find !
Lol true.
For a one-rifle man, a 30’06 is the best bet in North America. For those fortunate to have the choice and option to taylor guns to game and terrain, like myself, I’d pick a 270, a 30-30, and a 35 Whelen for medium to large game, 270 is still a great cartridge. Are there better, yes. It depends on use. For what it is, the 270 is hard to beat given its design compared to more modern cartridges. It beats the 6.5 CM, has less recoil than 30’06 and the magnums, and with hand loads can come close to many popular long range cartridges using less powder. Availability world-wide, 270 can be found almost everywhere. Obsolete, I’d say no.
Thanks for sharing your opinion, Godspeed.
Good video. I love my .270 but admit there are better cartridges out there. The thing about .270 is that the vast majority of US hunters are 200 yards and in, whitetail hunters, that only shoot their guns twice a year. You can walk into any gun shop and find a used .270 and ammo and kill any whitetail you'll come across with less recoil than a 30-06 or 308. For most shooters less recoil means more accurate shots and more ethical kills. .270 in my mind is still the whitetail king. Keep up the videos man, love your channel. God bless.
lets be honest, the .270 win is just more sophisticated that a .30-06 ;) .
Lol 😆
270 is amazing
Then other things are more amazing. Godspeed my friend
My favorite thing is outshooting everyone with my 270. Mainly those with yuppie or Justin Bieber calibers like the 6 5.
That's the skill of the shooter.
6.5 prc is better than .270.
Same bullet weights, better b.c.'s, faster velocities
@@AlaskanBallistics I'm aware I just need to talk down on the 6.5. Because all the wannabe snipers love them.
Lol as long as you're doing it to make yourself feel better 🤔😜
270 all day-- Wyoming guy
Ehhh use it if you like it.
@@AlaskanBallistics 270 just keeps filling my freezer-- lol 😆
7mm Rem Mag does for me too
I’ve hunted with one for nearly 60 years and it has never let me down.
Good for you!
If the 270 win. is overrated, I'll buy up all the surplus!!!!!
Excellent idea sir!
Definitely not obsolete.
No... overrated would be a better word.
My dad had good luck with his 270 all his adult life. He was a good shot, was familiar with his rifle and had confidence it it’s capability. I think that is a good formula for success.
I couldn't agree more
Amen!
Pick any cartridge and you can defame it when you compare lower and larger calibers …to say .270 is obsolete is shortsighted….you can improve any caliber and history have proved it but bottom line is never compare caliber to caliber !
That's just fuddlore talking, no facts. 😜
I run federal terminal accent 175gr in my 308 and I shoot under 1 Inch 5sht group at 200 yards w my Tikka t3 ctr.
@@ronlowney4700 think he said it was just hard to find a load it liked. Typical of 270s in my exp
170 Berger, 2935 fps. 165 Nosler LRACCB/ 3000 fps. , 150 Nosler partition/ 3150 fps. no signs of pressure, rarely have had to take a second shot, killed everything on the planet except the big 4. Not sure why Jack O'Connor had such troubles. 270 win. for the powder/recoil/power/ accurate/ precise/ barrel life, you are not going to find a better round.
Yeah those are some seriously overbook values loads. Be careful and good hunting my friend!
@@AlaskanBallistics Bore/lands/grooves too big, bullets too small, throating issues, mag. case length issues...etc. a lot of troubles are put into a rifle when they wish to get rid of a caliber. But even if you take a Mossberg, wood stock 270 win. you are still going to get 130 at 3100 fps. and 150s at 2900-3000 fps., which with modern bullets is all you need , to kill anything, at proper distances, even on youtube the Mossberg with wood stock is at MOA or below, with store bought rounds. Now my rifle is custom made with a 1/8 twist but I did that 40 years ago. Why in the world would you buy a 6.8 western? or a 6.5 creed. 6.5 prc.? my 270 win. out performs them all and has done so, for 40 years. As a matter of fact the 270 win. on a lot of game deer sized and below, if shot too close, it is way, way too much gun, at least if you want to have anything left to eat. Again I am really not sure why Jack O'Connor had to shoot twice?? Mice to Moose, lions, tigers and bears? oh my? No they are all dead. 270 win. Get you one, you will never regret it. and use only Nosler Partitions, will never fail you. Great show, but no sell. ;)
The 270 Winchester is a fantastic iconic cartridge with a wonderful history and an excellent short range shooter. Millions of deer have been harvested with the 270. Having both a 270 Winchester and a 6.8 Western, the 270 is not in the same league as the 6.8 Western. The 6.8 Western wins in all categories; accuracy, energy at long range, efficiency and is a short action. I love my 270 Winchester, but the 6.8 Western is a much better cartridge and is here to stay. I will still use my 270 for hunting at short ranges, but my 6.8 Western will be used for long range hunting and target shooting. We all still love the iconic 270 and is a cartridge of time, but there is always change. In this time of fast twist barrels and high BC bullets, it’s hay day has passed.
Well said my friend.
I have never had one , shot one , really wanted one .... so ya Chuck is likely right but the fact they are so common Vs all the new rounds that are useless ??? I say No ! We have too many Rounds the do the same thing & for logistics would all be better off without many of them . 45 gap .. 1/2 the NEW rounds 6.5 WTF ...
Dan the new 6.5 rounds are great. Same weight range as the .270, higher b.c., and the prc and wby rpm are way faster
Obsolete: adj: no longer produced or used; out of date. Yeah... no. When you're top 5 in SKUs on most websites and top 10 on them all, you're not obsolete. Are there better options? Yeah. Is it worth switching to a 6.5 or 7mm cal magnum if you have a .270? No.
Thank you for your opinion
@@AlaskanBallistics guess we'll have to call the -06 obsolete too then.
RE: 30-06 a light weight is more like 150gr - 165 gr a 30-06 is more common in 180gr for a hunting round for the big stuff . I like 308 best 150 to 168 gr
Ya need to stop listening to the bs that said with rifle and bullet manufacturers it's a con to get people to buy the latest calibre that shoots 150 fps faster with 20% more powder I'll stick to the obsolete 270
Lol it's not b.s. but you do you man
I have a 270 Winchester I have many rifles for different calibers the 270 was killing game before I was born and will be killing game when I am gone
Godspeed and Good Hunting
The more and more I observe current thoughts on the many new rifles, cartridges , ballistic coefficents, and the ongoing search for ever better cartridges, I keep finding myself going back to the older rounds like 270 win, 3006, 300 HH etc. I have taken more than 65 deer with my 270win at ranges from 15 meters to 620 meters. All dropped and filled the freezer. I also have a 7mm rem mag because I like the heavier bullets that the 270win can not be loaded with. But when I decide to hunt, I always look for my 270 win.. I take my 7mm mag as backup. I do not see much use in using any other calibers for what I hunt.
Keep filling the freezer sir.
How dare you
Lol just giving chuke a hard time
A classic, yes. Obsolete?…Far from it! The .270 Winchester may not be the most efficient cartridge with the highest BC bullets, but it’s a fast moving flat shooter out to 400 yards and handles a wide range of game with authority. Just because there are newer cartridges that will accomplish the same or better doesn’t mean the .270 won’t continue right on filling freezers. Words mean things, dude. The .270 is in no way obsolete. Obsolescence means that the technology has progressed so far that there is no longer use for it beyond niche applications (I.e. flintlocks for PA muzzleloader season). The .270 is extremely useful and popular, and will be for decades to come.
Maybe so we'll see.
.270 obsolete is clickbait. So would any derivative of the .30-06 then. No dead animal would tell the difference.
Well you clicked on it and helped the video by commenting. Thank you!
I am a .270 guy
To each their own...
Ammo selection right now for PRC on ammo seek sucks. No 150 grains. And its $3.50 a round!! Ammo selection for 6.8 western and there is nothing available on the entire internet lol. Obsolete? There's plenty of .270 around. I don't just like to zero with 6 shots and put it in the safe until a hunt. I like to shoot as well!! Practice, train. All the calibers besides .308 you talked about are not available or too expensive. With all that said. 270 is the best most practical caliber right now because it's available and affordable.
Plenty of 6.8 western on the shelf, no .270. Can't get online
Love my .270win killed 15+ deer with mine and 1 elk. People get stuck on the numbers and no the .270 is not the best cartridge currently but it works great and thats the reason its still hanging around.
I had to punch a wall after i read the title
Lol glad you got your frustrations out. Chuke said you could come punch his wall
Never owned a 270. But have owned 8 30-06 rifles and still own 3. I have had excellent results with 1 shot kills with .308 bullets. I don' t hunt deer or larger with less than .308 diameter.
Good video. Thanks for sharing all of the ammo information. Take care.
To say the 270 is obsolete is about like saying the F-16 is obsolete. Are there better planes being made that are more capable on paper for what the F-16 does? Yes. So many other nations have purchased the F-16 knowing that fact. But it offers performance, support and value that is more than satisfactory even today. Those 3 reasons are why the 270 isn’t truly obsolete. Technically it is. But in reality no. I do thank you for putting together the video and all your efforts in others. Safe and fun shooting to you!
Fair points good analogy... maybe i need an F-16 for bear protection?
Godspeed and good hunting
I’d trade the bear protection F-16 in for the new Ruger/Marlin SBL 45/70 and use all that change in millions to hunt all over the world😉
I forgot to mention the F-16 has been with us since before 1980. Chronologically one would think it’s obsolete
The F-16 shoots a 20mm cartridge. Ruins deer meat. Good for commies, useless for hunting.
You made a good point up until you said it was obsolete technically. That is not true. There are other cartridges to choose from but that does not make any of them technically better. Barrel length could make a difference with whether a cartridge would be better than another. There are a lot of factors to be considered in a rifle and cartridge down to the bullet and power as well. Overall, your answer was the best I have seen to the ridiculous statement that the 270 was obsolete. It will be alive and well after we all have died of old age.
.270 works great for me here in Georgia. In the northern half of the state, you don't shoot deer at long ranges, at least I haven't. I don't have it in me to hunt bears, so I only care about what works on deer. I have a cheap remington 7400 .270. I probably shoot 0-5 rounds actually hunting every year. At the range, my gun is the issue, not the .270 cartridge. The 7400 has a weak barrel, so sighting in a scope requires you wait a couple minutes between shots for the barrel to cool. My brother's fancy .270 is okee-dokee at 6-700 yards and you can take shot after shot, and use basically any .270 ammo, if you compensate for drop, etc.. With my little remington, I stick to Federal and Remington ammo. No problems in 15 years. I have a ton of ammo in my gun locker, so I'll probably never need another cartridge or even a better gun. My scope is 50 times better than my gun, but hey, whatever.
Scope should be 50 times better. Bear sausage is delicious but the way. Good hunting my friend. What part of North Georgia? My parents lived in Ellijay
That was a great post. I hope I figure out how to download your stuff on a thumb drive but haven't figured out yet. Got to get my IT guy on it. Thanks for the work
You have to have UA-cam paid account
@@AlaskanBallistics I'll check it out. Are you on Odysee? If so what's you link?
Hey bigAl
@@jamespugh Hey James. It's cold in Oklahoma. Mid 70's Sunday and 2" of ice today. Ha. Hope your having a great day.
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I feel the 270 will be around for years to come. I have lots of friends young and old that still love it. I for one have always loved the 3006. I recently bought a new rifle. I almost pulled the trigger on a 6.5 PRC and then the 6.8 western came out. I took a gamble and bought the 6.8 western in a Browning X bolt . I hope it takes off.
I hope it takes off for you as well
It will and the ammo is cheap
I’d rather have a 6.8. Heavier bullets by far than a 6.5 PRC, which is essentially a warmed over 270win and identical in performance out to ethical hunting ranges.
The 6.8 western is a great cartridge
Your right about the draw backs but it makes no sense about the bullet weights. 270 win is a hunting cartridge only it was not created to shoot long range match bullets. Most hunters don’t kill animals past 300 yards so making it shoot bullets 100-140g completely makes sense. It wasn’t created to out do the 30-06 but to compliment it. It was to shoot thinner skinned game with less recoil. It does a great job at that so if it doesn’t work as well on bear, moose and elk that makes sense it wasn’t designed to.
Well said sir.
@@AlaskanBallistics ya absolutely not to bash the video at all. Just so many videos about long range ballistics and cross sectional density. In hunting delivering energy in the right place is the goal and ethical hunting is paramount. I would rather have a 200g 35 Whelen load than a 200g 30-06 when hunting something that can kill you.
I don't disagree.
280 Rem tends to be loaded a bit soft as it was chambered in some older pumps and self loaders. Have a look at the European 7x64 and what that can do with modern load data.
The 280, properly handloaded for a bolt action rifle, actually does surpass the 270 slightly.
Loaded with 160gr Nosler Partitions, it is a efficient and deadly rifle.
you just dont need more than a 150 in a .270. in fact, there isn't anything on the planet you cant kill with a .270 and a 130 grain partition. honestly, there is no reason to use any other than 150-180 grain bullets in a 30-06, and you dont see much outside of 140-165 in 7mm.
if a 180 grain safari load isnt enough out of .30-06, your not using enough rifle and your HOPING the 220 works, imo.
Maybe so. Godspeed and good hunting.
No it’s not. Fact of the matter all the rounds you compared it to except 30-06 won’t be around in the future. The 270 will make it into the future. Ballistics mean nothing if the it’s not on shelf.
Disagree... 6.5 prc is here to stay because of long range competition. .280 AI has a popular cult following, even Rom Spomer mentions it. Now the 6.8 western... yeah that's hit or miss I'll give you that one. Other manufacturers besides browning and Winchester need to start supporting it.
@@AlaskanBallistics 6.5 and 300 PRC seems to have gained more success from heavy marketing. The 300 Norma seems to be another contender, but not many manufacturers are chambering it. It seems to be a efficient cartridge against the PRCs.
I agree @TheOutdoorsman
@@AlaskanBallistics Not on most shelves......you are most likely going to order or reload it.
Never owned a .270. Always shot .30-06, and 7mag, until I started collecting Weatherbys. Going to get a 6.8 Western, soon as they become more available. Prices will go down then.
True
I would say now is the time to get one
@@rex8958
The laws of supply and demand say differently.
@@bustabass9025 yes usually… but it is just like the new 30 super carry. Cheap guns are being made and ammo has to be cheap in order for it to sell and gain users. 30 super carry is cheaper then 380 right now because they want to sell this new product. Same with 6.8western at least a couple months back for sure. 6.8 western was in stock from February to September nonstop at major online stores and always cheaper then the well established cartridges.
No way of knowing these new calibers are here to stay.......or going down in price.
Wrong, lots pick on the 270 but it's proven, best cartridge around.
Best at inconsistency... best at not enough bullet weights.
@@AlaskanBallistics not from my experience
@jasonstewartskungfustyles7106 facts are facts. There's no .270 match grade chamber.
.270 is like .30-06 for women 🤪
@@AlaskanBallistics it's for hunting, out to 300m I find it the best. I have tried them all, 270 does it best for me.
No way I'm still shooting a 270
I didn't say not to lol
but I'm in Montana but if I was in Alaska I would totally shoot a 7 Mag I would shoot a 7 Mag now but I just can't really afford the one I want
I wood not use a 270 in Alaska.
anyways I seen this and I passed on it and then I was looking on UA-cam and some other dude is complaining about the 270 is not going extinct or some bullshit
if I was hunting in Alaska I would take the 454 Casull Alaskan and I would take a 12 gauge and that's probably it maybe some bear spray.7mag
It's only obsolete in your mind
Maybe so. Still gets beat by a lot of calibers
Where I grew up in South Africa the .270 reigned supreme. We used it on springbuck, eland, and everything in between. The '06 is better in every objective metric, but I still like the .270 better. I live on the East coast of Canada now, and while it would not be my first choice for moose, I wouldn't hesitate to take the shot if that was all I had.
Neither would I...
It only beats 30-06 with bullet drop at real long distance. Oh, and recoil.
Nelline, a 150 grain Partition behind some H4831SC is good for about 2,810 feet per second. That’s just about 1,980 foot pounds of energy at 200 yards. That load has been taking moose in Maine for over half a century. Yes more is better, but good enough is good enough.
Something I see missing in comparing 6.5 PRC or 6.8 Western against the 270 is weight. Even though it has a longer action a Kimber Montana 270 is over half a pound lighter than one in 300 WSM(the action you’d need for 6.5 PRC or 6.8 Western). Just my opinion but that much weight savings trumps 100-200 fpe, 2+ in drop, and 2+ in windage at 500yds. 270 still has my vote when all those options are considered.
A fair point. I carry heavy rifles though so not a liability for me.
@@AlaskanBallistics in all honesty I’ve always been something of a pack mule myself. Carry what I love to hunt with really. As I’ve gotten older the lighter stuff starts to make more sense though
I understand that
No, newer cartridges that slightly outperform an older one doesn’t make it obsolete. I really think it’s more about selling more rifles. Start the right bullet in the right caliber at 2700-2800 fps and you’ll be able to do what you need to do out to 300-400 yards.
I think the chambering issues are more a rifle maker issue than a cartridge issue. Kind of like revolver manufacturers being unable for some reason to properly chamber .45 Colt.
You don't see those chambering issues in 6.5 calibers or .308 or .3006
@@AlaskanBallistics It is strange, but .270 has a set case length and COAL, just like the others. It’s the firearms maker’s job to cut a chamber to that spec, not a cartridge issue when they don’t.
Maybe true but why is .270 mis-manufactured more than .300 win mag, .30-06, .308, 6.5's etc. ?
@@AlaskanBallistics That’s a good question, and goes back to my earlier point. Why did the big 3 willfully mis-chamber .45 Colt revolvers when they didn’t any other caliber? That’s how the old “weak .45 Colt brass” myth got started. They just seem to get weird ideas in their heads and are reluctant to fix them.
270 is a good cartridge I’ve used one for years. But with todays bullet and powder technology it’s an underachiever. I’m pushing a 120 ttsx in 7mm08 at 3200fps with Winchester StaBall 6.5. And 130s at 3050 plus. I used to buy nothing but long action cartridges but have sold and bought now nothing but short actions. I gave my browning 270 to my son for his first deer rifle and it’s perfect for him. However I switched to 338 federal, 7mm08 and 6.5x284 Norma which is a long action but a great performer. To me it’s just never been brought up to date like most other cartridges. So it stays in its place as an old classic
I don’t agree with other commenters saying new chamber throat dimensions and bbl twist rates making the 270 more popular. More capable? Certainly. Truly necessary? No. In that I DO agree with your “classic” statement. However I disagree about your new components statement. New components like RL23 & 26, 7977 and not-so-new MagPro along with LRXs, AccuBonds, etc take the 270 considerably further than what some would consider giving it credit for
@Robert Free you got a good load for .270 and 129gr barnes lrx?
@@robertfree1908 I completely agree with you. With new components you can get the 270 close to magnum performance. However there is a place for 270 in talks for a great big game cartridge. I just feel that with the way cartridge design is going and being able to get great performance out of smaller even heavy hitters like the nosler series of cartridges the 270 is getting pushed to the back. 30-06 is still one of the best all around cartridges around because of versatility. 270 could be that way.
@@AlaskanBallistics that’s certainly a combo I’d like to try in my 84L. It has a 10” twist so I think it would stabilize. I’ve been playing with 325 WSM, 358 Win(talk about obsolete[but I love it!!]!), 30-30, 357mag, 44 Special and 45 Colt so much lately I have dedicated time to much else. Honestly I have a bunch of the boring-to-some classic 140gr InterLocks that are just begging for full power testing with RL19&22, 4831s, vv165, 7977, MagPro, Hunter, 7828 and others so finding that time for 129LRX may prove difficult. But I’m getting more curious about it as I text this😉
I have a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade in .270 and I absolutely love that gun
Cool man
Some of these differences only become an issue at longer ranges. Remember, recoil is an issue for younger shooters and the .270 has always been much more tolerable than a 30 caliber rifle for those wanting more than a .243. Lots of good rifles, scopes and ammo these days.
But so has 25-06, even less than .270
@@AlaskanBallistics No one shoots a 25-06 though.....
It's got a cult following
Cough, 7mm-08, cough cough 😷
@@AlaskanBallistics It does have a cult following, but it didn’t take off because the .270 was established and popular before modern powders could extract the performance capabilities from the .25-06. That, and the 6mms sucked away almost all of the demand that the .25s had enjoyed up until 1955. When the .25-06 was commercialized in 1969, it was already OBSOLETE! lol. Really though, for the practical hunter needing a flat shooting deer/predator cartridge, why get a .25-06 when you could have a .243 which is a better varmint cartridge and adequate deer cartridge, or a .270, which is a fabulous deer cartridge, and can be flexed into other roles, from varmint hunting to moose hunting?
The ammo for a .270, .308, 30-06 are all similar prices. The ammo for 280AI, 6.5 prc, and 6.8 western are more expensive.
I would say bang for your buck. The .270 is still a pretty decent cartridge. Deffinately not obsolete.
Before the current events and ongoing plague I picked up a lefty ruger hawkeye 270. Never used a 270 before but I will try it and I also bought lots of factory ammo and lots of bullets and reload supply. I think the 30-06 is more universal and perhaps useful but until last year 270 ammo was very cheap and plentiful in my area. I'm agnostic on how I feel about it or like or dislike but time will tell. I've got lots of affordable Speer and hornady bullets to load and practice in it and plenty of the Federal premium factory mono ammo for hunting.
Have fun my friend with it!!!
Loaded with Federal Terminal Ascent. Moose @ 112yds.
1 shot. High shoulder. Moose 2 steps DRT
Half dollar exit.
Sweet i just handloaded some federal terminal ascent. One of my favorite bullets
280 REM is downloaded as it was first chambered in Remington semi-auto rifles. Hand load and those speeds can get up there.
That's what i was thinking
If I was buying today, I’d get the .280 AI over the .280 REM. I like my .280 REM, but the .280 AI is a little more capable.
Hence why 280 AI is so popular over 280 REM now.
I will keep my .270
I didn't say not to. Enjoy many many more good years of hunting with it. Godspeed to you and yours.
I notice there are all the sudden genius experts everywhere. Probably dude/Alaska got popular enough to get paid off by Hornady to bad mouth the 270W. I have a Stevens model 200 in 270win shoots great lightweight. I have a thousands of brass imr and AA 4350, 4831, DP-85, thousands of bullets. Obsolete is someone who has not prepared. My deer are going to drop just fine. I also have an 7x57 yugo mauser in 49 graines of h414 throwing a 120 grain ttsx 2900 fps definately NOT obsolete.
I'm not paid by anyone
I listened to Chuke's rebuttal and, in my opinion, he didn't do too good of a job. So, I'm going to put my two cents into it. IF... There's anything wrong with the 270, it is the barrel twist. If you don't get MOA out of a rifle, it is usually, the rifle's barrel quality and/ are the person behind the rifle.
When you compare a 270 to other calibers you can only truly compare it a 30-06 based cartridge. No 308 based cartridge can statistically outperform it.
The only cartridges that can outperform a 270 are in the Magnum class. A 300 Win mag, 7 mm Remington mag, 6.5 PRC, 270 WSM, 300 WSM, and 6.8 Western are all magnums. And these cases the drawback is recoil. Compared to the 270, 308 has more recoil as well as all these magnums.
When it comes to reloading I'll have to argue that that is biased and it's not standardized. Thus, it cannot be used in a comparison due to the manipulation factor. So to be fair we have to look at factory ammo. As it states, you compare apples to apples. Example- Factory Hornady eld-x ammo would be a fair comparison.
Another issue is the design usage. Example- a 6.8 SPC was designed for a 14" barrel. Hornady bases they're ballistics of a 6.8 SPC for 16-in barrel. There are those who try to compare a 6.5 Grendel to the 6.8 SPC. A Grendel's ballistics is based on a 24 inch barrel. When you compare the ballistics between a 16-in barrel and a 24 inch barrel it's not s fair comparison. When you shoot a 6.5 Grand in a 16-in barrel it actually is below the ballistics of a 6.8 SPC.
Thus, the comparisons should be based on usage. The 270 was designed for honey and flatter shooting at distance. So, for any reasonable ethical hunting situation, 500 yards should be maximum. And in most cases 500 yd is long way except certain types of sheep and prairie style hunts and most hunters shoot well at that distance. In most scenarios is more about the person.
Most people are too fat or lazy to stalk to a closer range.
Also there's a mindset a bigger is better. "I use a 300 Win mag to make sure that it drops." Ok,... How far would be your max shot? "Oh, about 200 yd" that is total Overkill.
The only issues with the 270 is the standard 1-10 twist rate, which can be easily solved by changing to a 1-8 twist rate. Thus, newer and higher BC bullets can be properly utilized. But, at present, that entails reloading
In closing, if you can find a cartridge that has less recoil and superior ballistics than a 270 ,all things given, then you have a good comparison.
Like 6.5 prc... less recoil slightly more power, better drop.
@@AlaskanBallistics it is a interesting round. It has a pound less recoil than a 270. the same weight bullet has better BC. Loads basically at the same muzzle velocity and comes in a short action
I have an extra action sitting around it might be a good project. I I'd like to see how the new 150 long range noslers that you talked about would work
@@AlaskanBallistics smaller caliber.
@@toddjohnson271 and? That's not a major factor
@@AlaskanBallistics whatever parameters you wish to add or subtract to make your point more valid.
It is far from obsolete. I don't know what you have been shooting but I have not seen a 270 that can't shoot sub-MOA. I could even get sub-MOA 5 shot groups out of my father's semi-auto 7400 Remington. Of course, you are in Alaska, and I wouldn't choose a 270 to hunt there just because one might end up with a bear in their face and not enough gun for pure safety. I find the 270 a very accurate cartridge like the 25-06 and even the 22-250. But we all have our opinions. It seems you were praising the 6.5 Creedmoor and its ballistics are similar, but it does not make a 270 obsolete. Some other cartridges that shoot the same bullet will never make the 270 obsolete either. Because buying ammo off the shelf you often can't even find those calibers at the local store if you buy ammo for your hunt even when ammo is not hard to find. You are entitled to your opinion and shouldn't even own one if you really feel that way. BTW I have a couple of 6.5 Creedmoor's as well as a 270 and I love them all. The Creedmoor is more forgiving and will produce tighter groups, more easily but they will all shoot sub-MOA with the right loads and bullets.
I didn't say the 6.5 creedmoor is better than the .270. People keep putting that in the comments... i wonder if their listening skills need to be worked on.
It's not obsolete.....it's just this creator's opinion. I would say calibers no longer produced are basically obsolete.
@@toddjohnson271 Where do you get no longer produced? I just purchased a new 270 rifle this last year. It is still chambered in new rifles and still sells. Ammo is easy to find as well. You can try to spin what you said but it isn't going to make it right no matter how long you spin it. Sorry but you are wrong. You can have an opinion, but you have no substance in your reasoning.
@@garrytalley8009 They are still producing 270 Win....which confirms my point that it is not obsolete.
The choice of 270 winchester for the most overrated cartridge is interesting, especially when it seems you're talking from a hunting standpoint. Your points of chamber issues and magazine length are a bit funny, when that's got nothing to do with the cartridge, but rather the actual firearms manufacturer. You also mentioned that the 270 has no match grade ammunition, and isn't accurate. It has no match grade ammunition because since it's inception it has always been deemed a simple meat getter. A favorite sako 75 that my grandfather owned won it's division at a local 500 yard groundhog shoot, and came in 3rd overall. Beating out 6ppcs, 243 ackleys, 338 lapuas, and other well known target rounds. So then, is the accuracy problem inherent to the cartridge, or the lack of match grade factory ammunition? If it's the ammunition that's the problem, then it's the fault of gun and ammo makers. Then again, I don't get why you brought up federal's match ammo in the first place when this seems to be a hunting debate.
If it is a hunting debate, then the answer to most overrated cartridge is easily the 6.5 creedmoor. It was designed as a long range target cartridge, and has been adapted to be a long range hunting cartridge. The problem is that it's most at home under 300yds on deer and elk sized game. Then the high bc eld-x starts to come apart and not maintain it's weight. At that point you need to look into something like an interbond or partition, or a barnes x. At which point you're losing out on the .625 bc that made it good in the first place. At that point you just have a cartridge firing similar bullets to the 270, but 150-200fps slower. I just don't see the advantage in the situation.
I love my 6.5 creedmoor but i agree that it's no .270 for hunting.
My point is that there's no match grade chamber so every rifle is different and many many rifles have that too long for the magazine issues.
I will say that my 6.5 creedmoor with the barnes lrx 127gr performed flawlessly at 288 yards on caribou.
But it's the 6.5 prc that is better than .270, the 6.5x284 Norma that's a tie or at least almost ties the .270, and the 6.5 creedmoor is way under powered comparatively.
It works fine as a hunting round but you need a hunting bullet not eld-x... that we agree on.
Chuck..My Man. You know I love ya right? But....the 270 Win? Man, that stung because it is my go to rifle. I will, as always, give respect where it is due. Your top three reasons are very well (perhaps too well) thought out. I have a Ruger M77 that hasn't failed me yet. Maybe I need to play with more rifles until I fail, but I'll just stick with my winner. Keep up the good work! God bless, Shoot straight, Stay safe! - Hedge
I'm sitting here reloading for my wife's tikka .270 lol I'm not saying don't use it. Go caress and fondle rifle so it doesn't have it's feelings hurt. Godspeed and Good hunting.
There was not a lot of facts in this video You can argue that there are better cartridges for specific animals yes but the 30-06 is the only other cartridge that is as versatile but it has more recoil. Both can shoot anything from coyotes to moose. That is one gun for everything vs 1 gun for every species. Every chamber is different and to be measured. Tikka is known for having short magazines. My Remington adl has plenty of room for longer bullets and seating. Since you only have one rifle you can change the barrel to a match barrel or get a different twist even they do make them. The 270 loaded correctly is one of the flattest shooting cartridges out there. Even competes with these new cartridges and it’s 100 years old. New bullet technologies have helped it a lot. Also it can be loaded hotter than most manufacturers have it so hand-loaders will get even better performance. Only one claim is true but it is true about every cartridge. IMO with the versatility, recoil, and ballistics, there are only a handful of other cartridges that are similar.
No, the 270 is not obsolete, it is a fantastic cartridge.
You can find 270 on the shelves at reasonable prices. If you are fortunate enough to find 6.5cm or 6.8western, it will be $40-$50/box, and 270 is superior ballistically to 6.5cm.
6.5cm is a great marketing ploy for an unnecessary cartridge.
I guess you don't understand why it was developed. But no where in this video do I say 6.5cm was better than 270... pay attention
The 270 is a good round but the 7 mm Mag and 30.06 are far better choices for all around do anything rounds...in my opinion ! I have a 7 mm Mag and love it , a 308 would be another good round. 😏
“Far better” being relative. For deer as far as you want to shoot? Not really. For moose/eland with 7mag and 175 Partition? Yes. For Brown bear with 30-06 and 200 Partition? Certainly!
Agreed all around 7mm Rem mag and .30-06 are way better
@@strat1080 hard to argue with this statement since I would feel comfortable and certainly NOT undergunned hunting anything non dangerous with a full house 150gr Partition in 270 with a bbl 22” and up
270 almost matches 7mm mag without the recoil. It also is way more available.
Haha almost matches 7mm Rem mag? Find me a .270 load with 3400 ft lbs? That's ridiculous
I was looking at 300 win mag or 270 for Montana hunting. I’m leaning towards the 270. Can’t find ammo for 300 win anywhere basically. It’s twice the cost. And the 150 ABLR in 270 I’ve heard is pretty reliable for elk. I have considered 30-06 as well. But ammo is also an issue for cost and availability for that too. I am taking your advice on picking up a Bergera just gotta pick the caliber. I appreciate your opinion, what ya think ?
Elk are tough animals. I'd still go .300 win mag if you handload
@@AlaskanBallistics I currently do not hand load and am unable to make the investment, probably just gonna pickup a couple boxes to sight in and have for hunting season. I can get a couple boxes somewhere I’m sure online. Thank you, I’ll be going with the 300. I’ve watched your best bullet selection videos and right now all I can get is some Barnes TTSX or Sierra Game kings.
Barnes ttsx is the way to go then
What about cost & availability
I'm a handloader, irrelevant
@@AlaskanBallistics Then you are an outlier and it's only obsolete for you.
Them's fighting words lol
Lol never
The only thing wrong with 270 is the current huge lack of ammo production for it for some reason. I love my Ruger Hawkeye in .270. its a great accurate hunting rifle. Also .270 win must be a great caliber, that is really accurate and forgiving because Chuke can hit a target with it and hit a target at 1000 yards( we should see proof as I've seen him miss to many 10 yard targets on his videos). If I had to go through my rifles and get to one or 2 my 270 would be high on the keep list.
Great point about chuke!
Here in Ohio just about the only ammo all over the place is 270 and 308 - Cabelas, Bass Pro, Field and Stream. The latter had at least 100 boxes on the shelf of 270 in a variety of brands
We hardly have any in Alaska.
@@AlaskanBallistics Keep watching the shelves. It's coming. The sellers down here told me shipments are coming 2-3x/week
Oh that's nice
The 280 AI with 1 in 8 barrel twist is the all around cartridge l I would use even in a pinch to brain an elephant.
Couldn't agree more
I'd say "reloading" will be obsolete do to components availability and pricing way before 270 is obsolete. If dont have the stuff already, why even buy equipment and components? Just look at how hard it is to find primers, especially for shotgun/inline m-loaders. If your lucky enough to find a magic load, you will be lucky to find the same components to duplicate results. Id say on on the shelf ammo, common calibers(6.5 CM is common now as 243 to 30-06) will do well and the new hot rods of the day will suffer and possibly fade unless components availability comes back as well as being well stocked on shelves.
If you're patient you can find stuff
Great video. I think the .270 is a great round and will continue to be, but holy cow, some of the .270 lovers think it is the be all, end all of cartridges!
Agreed. Fanboys of any caliber feel that way though.
@@AlaskanBallistics Definitely, but for some reason the .270 guys seem to be the most passionate.
Hence why I made the video
No is not 😠
Emotions or facts?
Also "it's" not "is"
Too stupid to rebut. Just suffice to say that it's been anchoring game in it's tracks since 1925. You don't need match chambered receiver. It's going to anchor game at real world distances. All your problems with the .270 are just that, yours.
Feelings hurt much?
@@AlaskanBallistics Just humored that you apparently don't know the definition. I'll help you out with the dictionary definition:
ob·so·lete
/ˌäbsəˈlēt/
adjective
1.
no longer produced or used; out of date.
You are just picking at words. Hope you don't do that with your husband
Right. Because what's in a definition? Sorry I got caught up in, you know, words. Fucking joker
The .280 AI is the new .270 Win. If Jack O'Connor were alive today he'd probably opt for the .280 AI over the .270 Win. Jack O'Connor was a pragmatist and a practical man.
Imagine saying your wife is obsolete because she is old🤣🤣🤣
Lol
they are actually....unless they still clean house.
I just sold my .270 for a 6.5 creedmoor. I hunt in GA where shots on deer and hogs are generally under 100yds. I think the .270 is a good 200yd+ deer cartridge. Also, in my experience you're going to find chambering differences between manufacturers no matter the cartridge. First step to reloading for a new rifle is to measure your max COAL.
I use a 35Remington 200 gr.....if you're not going long, go big ;)
@@toddjohnson271 35 Remington is popular in GA
@@clapton924 good...its plain awesome. I wish ammo availability was better. That's the big weakness.
When considering availability of ammo and components allong with barrel life and recoil it is a solid choice not too big not too small if you hunt open country. The fact is when it is compared to calibres of the same approximate size it does very well. Conparing it to a 6.5 prc is a bit unfair in my book they fall into different categories and when arguing ballistics the point can perpetually be argued to where your shooting animals with a 338 lapua or 300 rum. If one is looking for a midrange calibre with good performance and relatively low recoil the 270, 280, 7x64 etc. All tick the same boxes it will come down to availability and preferences. 270 will alwayse be popular.
6.5 prc has the same range of bullet weights and approximately the same case capacity. Totally fair comparison.
My Sig SHR, in .270 Win., prints less than half-inch groups at 200 yards. Of course from a solid bench rest. I will get another if I find one. Ammo? Been stashing, and shooting, for many years. Anybody got a 30-06 switch barrel for the Sig ?
Nice man
RE 6.5 WTF ... how many 6.5s are there & if you could only have ONE ?? I don't have any & don't want any .
That's your loss Dan? How have you not heard about 6.5 prc?
I have a swede 6.5x55 and wouldn't trade it to the others. Nothing wrong with the others but pointless gains imo.
It is interesting to see/read cartridge discussions. Opinions on what is more relevant and less relevant. I think for the masses what makes something more relevant is availability, marketing and how a name rolls off the tongue. “270 Winchester”. “6-5 Creedmoor” they just roll off the tongue. Historical performance speaks volumes and influences consideration as well. When the 270 was introduced it only real competition that was readily available(in the U.S.) the 30-06 and the 250 Savage. The 270 handily outreached(30-06[‘20s standards]) and/or outpowered(250 Savage) it’s competition. It earned it’s place on the shelves over a couple of decades or so of effort. It’s so entrenched I don’t think it’s going anywhere anytime soon. Even the 6-5 Creed took about 8 years to get where it is. At this point I think it is entrenched as a hunting let alone target cartridge(though, like the 250 Savage of it’s time, too much is asked of it imo). But a couple of other things that have helped the 6-5 Creed along(like the 9x19) is low recoil(it’s a fact we are weaker/more sensitive as human beings than decades before) and not just availability but literally being swamped with them by every manufacturer wanting a piece of the bandwagon pie. I’ll stop my ranting there. I love em all really
Good video. I love my .270 but admit there are better cartridges out there. The thing about .270 is that the vast majority of US hunters are 200 yards and in, whitetail hunters, that only shoot their guns twice a year. You can walk into any gun shop and find a used .270 and ammo and kill any whitetail you'll come across with less recoil than a 30-06 or 308. For most shooters less recoil means more accurate shots and more ethical kills. .270 in my mind is still the whitetail king. Keep up the videos man, love your channel. God bless.
Most overrated? Easy: 6.5 Creedmoor. Nothing wrong with it at all. Just waaaaay over hyped.
Lol i love my 3 6.5 Creedmoor's, but yes it's overrated.
@@AlaskanBallistics so you love a 6.5 Manbun but you call the 270 win. a womens gun ?? this is just degenerating into what what football team you follow..
I have called the 6.5 creedmoor a women's gun too what's your point?
a repackaged round like the 6.5 x55 Swede which has existed for a century. Just manufacturers marketing new sales.
The creedmoor beats the swede with factory ammo easily. If the swede were actually that good, it'd be popular too
This is why I like 308 and 3006 , ya put a 168 or 175 federal or Hornady in it and drive tacks
Exactly
@@AlaskanBallistics I highly recommend you try a Benelli lupo rifle if you get a chance. Recently had a chance to shoot one in 3006 and. Omg,. It shoots rounds in the same hole at 100yards. It wasn't mine ,just a guy at the range . But omg awesome rifle
Might do that but they don't have the barrel length i want in 300 win mag
@@AlaskanBallistics o yeah think there super limited on options. But one of if not the nicest thing I've ever shot. I was impressed.
@@AlaskanBallistics long barrel 300 win mag is hard to beat around here Chuck
Finally I hear someone who says it the way it is. Thanks for the info. Great job!
Thank you.
Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
As someone who bought a .270 only opportunistically (I found a lovingly cared for 1980s era Remington 700 BDL at a price I couldn't pass up), I have to agree with EVERY point you made. I reload, and I have to seat the bullets WAAAY far out, as bad as for an old Brazilian 7mm Mauser. Even so, my groups with every combination of bullet/powder/charge weight etc. I've tried are 1.5 - 2 moa, fine for hunting at practical (for me) ranges but not for bragging, even on the internet when there are no fact checkers measuring my groups. If I want groups to brag about I'll load up some 6.5x55 Swede and take out my CZ550 or one of my M38s. (I haven't taken the 6.5 Creedmore plunge yet, mainly due to limited safe capacity...) Still, I won't ever sell my .270. The old gal will get it done, perhaps just not as efficiently as some of the other choices. GREAT video, thanks for brightening my evening up! 😊
Thank you. I bought one on a good opportunity too. Mine does shoot sub moa sometimes. Lol