integral of sin(x)/x from 0 to inf by Feynman's Technique

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  • The integral of sin(x)/x from 0 to inf by using Feynman's technique (aka differentiation under the integral sign). This integral is also called the Dirichlet integral. Check out another example of Feynman's technique of integration: • Feynman's Technique of...
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  • @_DD_15
    @_DD_15 7 років тому +1094

    This is so famous, i still remember 8 years ago, when my uni professor told me, there is psychiatric hospital for those who still try to find a primitive of sin(x) / x... lol

  • @112BALAGE112
    @112BALAGE112 7 років тому +2222

    You don't often see a man doing partial derivatives while wearing a partial derivative t-shirt.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +305

      hahahahaha! honestly, that wasn't planned.

    • @ruiyingwu893
      @ruiyingwu893 7 років тому +40

      blackpenredpen I just realised after reading this...

    • @yamenarhim9336
      @yamenarhim9336 6 років тому +7

      me 2 lollll

    • @edwardtang3585
      @edwardtang3585 6 років тому +3

      It seemed to me like some sort of band sign like Nike at first

    • @AlgyCuber
      @AlgyCuber 6 років тому +8

      what’s the difference between partial derivative and normal derivative?

  • @rudycummings4671
    @rudycummings4671 2 роки тому +170

    I recall doing this integral many years ago. Back then we used contour integration. We chose the contour to be a semi-circle of radius R centered at the origin . The origin was indented and cotoured with a semi-circle of radius r. The semi-circle was located in the upper-half of the Cartesian plane. Complex integration in one of the most potent methods for dealing with such problems.

    • @gertwallen
      @gertwallen Рік тому

      I agree, I solved this too in my first course of Applied Mathematics in college where we used complex analysis techniques
      ua-cam.com/video/Ff4LRlflib0/v-deo.html

    • @greatwhitesufi
      @greatwhitesufi Рік тому

      Yeah that's true, that's how I learnt it/saw it first

    • @lasmatesdelamor4287
      @lasmatesdelamor4287 Рік тому

      Integrales cerradas en variable compleja?

    • @louisrobitaille5810
      @louisrobitaille5810 Рік тому +1

      You can do integrals on complex bounds (lower/upper) 😮? Or is it Real bounds but integrated on Complex functions?

    • @comp.lex4
      @comp.lex4 Рік тому +1

      @@louisrobitaille5810 complex functions and complex bounds. Turns out that the path you take *mostly* doesn't matter!

  • @AmanteNoViolao
    @AmanteNoViolao 7 років тому +1641

    When you sleep in class 14:01

    • @bonbonpony
      @bonbonpony 7 років тому +223

      More like when you blink in class :)

    • @peppybocan
      @peppybocan 7 років тому +35

      but the answer was spoiled in that part :D

    • @Tomaplen
      @Tomaplen 7 років тому +13

      when you struggle not to sleep

    • @AhnafAbdullah
      @AhnafAbdullah 7 років тому +1

      Idk why was the video cut? lol

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +145

      Ahnaf Abdullah I wanted to add that explanation why b has to be nonnegative

  • @cycklist
    @cycklist 7 років тому +442

    I really enjoy watching you integrate! Relaxing and fascinating at the same time.
    Isn't it!

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +42

      PompeyDB it is!

    • @jirehchoo2151
      @jirehchoo2151 5 років тому +7

      it is, is not?
      It's!

    • @rehmmyteon5016
      @rehmmyteon5016 5 років тому +16

      I really enjoy watching you disintegrate! Relaxing and fascinating at the same time.
      Isn't it!

    • @tens0r884
      @tens0r884 4 роки тому +2

      @@rehmmyteon5016 lmao

  • @lisalisa9706
    @lisalisa9706 7 років тому +435

    you told us not to trust wolfram and now you confirm your answer in wolfram. what am i supposed to do with my life now?

    • @brandong5687
      @brandong5687 7 років тому +17

      Dokuta Viktor trust no one

    • @arthurreitz9540
      @arthurreitz9540 7 років тому +28

      Dokuta Viktor Ask wolfram.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +236

      Dokuta Viktor only if it gives the same answer as what we got.

    • @axemenace6637
      @axemenace6637 6 років тому +10

      blackpenredpen what if what you got is by looking at Wolfram????

    • @MingruiCHENG
      @MingruiCHENG 6 років тому +5

      then don't get things from Wolfram but just check your answer with it.

  • @andraspongracz5996
    @andraspongracz5996 4 роки тому +60

    The part where the constant C is determined by checking the limit of the function at infinity is very elegant. Beautiful proof. Of course, there are a lot of technical details that mathematicians would think about (is it correct to derivate inside the integral, exchange limit and integral, etc.). But this video is a great summary of the overall strategy. Very nice work!

  • @terapode
    @terapode 6 років тому +52

    One of the best math videos I´v ever seen. Changing the function from x to b was a masterpiece.

    • @gertwallen
      @gertwallen Рік тому +4

      Yes, Feynman was a brilliant mind

  • @sonicpawnsyou
    @sonicpawnsyou 7 років тому +704

    I see you have finally decided to clothe like a true mathematician, seeing your t-shirt involves partial derivatives. 👌

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +50

      MeowGrump lolllll this is a good one!!!

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss 7 років тому +13

      asics = "Anime sane in corpore sano,"
      "Sound mind/spirit in a sound body."

    • @koharaisevo3666
      @koharaisevo3666 6 років тому +2

      Anima not anime (but that's somehow relevant :))))

    • @omarathon5922
      @omarathon5922 6 років тому +2

      👌 looks like the partial derivative sign XD

    • @herbert164
      @herbert164 6 років тому +1

      So, it is soul eater then?

  • @proofofalifetime488
    @proofofalifetime488 7 років тому +12

    Hi, I just learned this technique over the summer. I was amazed. I used it to solve a problem from American Mathematical Monthly. It was fun, not only sending in a solution, but learning this amazing technique used by Feynman!

  • @rishavmukherjee4251
    @rishavmukherjee4251 4 роки тому +34

    "And once again, pi pops out of nowhere!"

  • @mathnezmike
    @mathnezmike 4 роки тому +39

    Wow. At the begining the integral with the exponential function looks more complicated, but that function allows to have a closed form and the Leibniz theorem is fundamental. Great work!

    • @NazriB
      @NazriB 2 роки тому

      Lies again? So fat

  • @whiz8569
    @whiz8569 5 років тому +177

    18:12
    I like the idea that, after going through all that, we figure out that the integral from 0 to infinity of sin(x)/x dx is equal to...
    Some unknown value.

    • @antonquirgst2812
      @antonquirgst2812 2 роки тому +3

      its not that unexpected though if you look at the function... its just looks very convergent.. (this can ofc be very deceiving)

    • @createyourownfuture5410
      @createyourownfuture5410 2 роки тому +2

      @@antonquirgst2812 But there's the fact that as x grows larger, it tends to 0 because sin's at most 1 or -1.

    • @antonquirgst2812
      @antonquirgst2812 2 роки тому +2

      @@createyourownfuture5410 yup - totally agree - x grows linear while sin(x) is periodic!

    • @createyourownfuture5410
      @createyourownfuture5410 2 роки тому +1

      @@antonquirgst2812 Aaaand it approaches 0 from both sides

    • @josephcamavinga9721
      @josephcamavinga9721 2 роки тому

      @@createyourownfuture5410 It actually approaches 1 from 0

  • @seanclough7810
    @seanclough7810 7 років тому +83

    him: "And now let's draw the continuation arrow with also looks like the integration symbol. That's so cool."
    Me: "Ha."
    I happen to remember just enough calculus to follow along. Interesting. Thank you.

  • @S1nwar
    @S1nwar 7 років тому +10

    the world needs more of this....

  • @ShotgunLlama
    @ShotgunLlama 7 років тому +100

    He's becoming self aware

  • @siguardvolsung
    @siguardvolsung 6 років тому +151

    "This is so much fun, isn't it?"
    Sure.

  • @mohammadaminsarabi6207
    @mohammadaminsarabi6207 5 років тому +4

    Feynman was a mathematician, physician and philosopher... super geniuce

  • @JoseDiaz-gp1bn
    @JoseDiaz-gp1bn 7 років тому +8

    You always manage to make me click to watch you do integrals I've already done long ago!, but this integral of sinc(x) was really gorgeous. It's kinda the method for obtaining the the moments of x with the gaußian. I hope to see more of this kind.

  • @WildSeven19
    @WildSeven19 7 років тому +12

    Thanks for reminding me what I enjoyed about maths! It really is good fun to play around with calculus like this.

  • @Zonnymaka
    @Zonnymaka 7 років тому +12

    Wow, that was an heavy load! I never saw anything like that before...it'll take me a few days to digest the technique. Well done!

  • @vaibhavkumar5419
    @vaibhavkumar5419 4 роки тому +1

    i am 17 years old and i am from india .............i am able to understand it clearly ......thank you sir , love you and your love for mathematics 😊

  • @Lofila999
    @Lofila999 Рік тому +6

    💀I’m in 11th starting trying to learn this as my physics part needs it.

  • @justinscheidler5938
    @justinscheidler5938 5 років тому +1

    How the heck do 2 people that didn't know eachother ' invent' calculus at the same time.Simply fascinating. This was awesome to watch, I now have a better understanding of how partial derivatives work. I now must go back and study calc shui I can come back and fully digest this.

  • @charliearcaro208
    @charliearcaro208 4 роки тому +12

    Great video using Feynman's technique but would never tackle this integral in this way. Once you've applied the Laplace transform it's much easier to use Euler's formula and substitute sin(x) with Im (e^ix). Haven't read all of the comments but I'm sure this has already been mentioned

    • @Sugarman96
      @Sugarman96 2 роки тому

      I'm familiar with using the Fourier transform to find the integral, but I don't quite see how you'd use the Laplace transform.

    • @charliearcaro208
      @charliearcaro208 2 роки тому

      @@Sugarman96 - the Laplace transform is what the above video uses when creating his function I (b)

    • @mrocto329
      @mrocto329 2 роки тому

      ​@@Sugarman96
      I'(b) is the same negative laplace transform of sin(x) which you can use to easily find I'(b) instead of doing whatever he did.

  • @Agent-cipher-6120
    @Agent-cipher-6120 Рік тому

    I can't believe I just spent 20 minutes watching a video about integration and loving every second of it. A few years ago, I used to despise Maths

  • @nk4634
    @nk4634 5 років тому +9

    Using laplace transform and fubini's theorem this integral reduces to a simple trig substitution problem.

  • @beaming_sparkling_trash261
    @beaming_sparkling_trash261 Рік тому +6

    For the ones that want to dive into the details, I think we have to justify that the differential equation is defined for b in (R+*) in order for e^(-bx) to actually tend towards 0, then use the continuity of parameter integrals so that I(b) -> I(0) when b->0. Finally, the dominated convergence theorem gives us that I(b) -> 0 when b->inf. We conclude with the fact that arctan + pi/2 -> pi/2 when b->0, and uniqueness of the limit : both limits I(0) and pi/2 are equal ♡

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 Рік тому

      Why would anyone think to add e^x thiugh this COMES OUT OF NOWHERE..what I thought to do was replace sinex with e^ix from Eulers formula..isn't thst smarter and more intuitive? I think he needs to justify where e^x cones from if anything it should be ln x he is adding nkt e^× since 1/× is the derivative of ln x not e^×..

  • @jemcel0397
    @jemcel0397 7 років тому +179

    Believe in Math; Believe in the Pens; Believe in Black and Red Pens.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +14

      yay!!!!

    • @MrAssassins117
      @MrAssassins117 6 років тому +3

      Yes, i did It and i got 10 in my integral calculus exam :') two months ago !

    • @pranav2119
      @pranav2119 3 роки тому

      @@MrAssassins117 now 3 years ago lol

    • @_.Infinity._
      @_.Infinity._ 3 роки тому

      @@pranav2119 now 3 yrs and 14 hrs ago.

  • @aakashkhamaru9403
    @aakashkhamaru9403 2 роки тому +2

    I still remember my first year in college. It was filled with so many wonderful moments. This was not one of them.

  • @icenarsin5283
    @icenarsin5283 Рік тому +8

    Best math teacher ever !!!

  • @bonbonpony
    @bonbonpony 7 років тому +20

    Now it's time for the Gamma function and some other Euler integrals ;>

  • @sharmisthaghosh9017
    @sharmisthaghosh9017 4 роки тому +6

    Please do some putnam integrals
    They are really tricky and also few tough integrals like these.
    I love watching your integration videos.

  • @CTT36544
    @CTT36544 4 роки тому

    This problem can be simply solved using complex integral (getting the answer directly without a piece of paper). However, I’ve to admit that the method introduced here is VERY SMART. Thank you!

  • @bigjosh2517
    @bigjosh2517 7 років тому +125

    This integral's easy. Just pretend that all angles are small, replace sin(x) = x, the x's cancel so you're left with the integral of 1 :D

    • @NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
      @NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 7 років тому +56

      Hard to justify with those zero to infy limits. ;-)

    • @AndDiracisHisProphet
      @AndDiracisHisProphet 7 років тому +8

      so, pi/2 \approx inf?

    • @kikones34
      @kikones34 7 років тому +30

      How can you pretend all angles are small? The angle goes to infinity o_O

    • @mike4ty4
      @mike4ty4 7 років тому +8

      @kikones34 : Yeah, that's the joke (note the ":D" grin at the end.). But it _does_ work for the _variable_-bound integral
      int_{0...x} sin(t)/t dt
      which, by the way, defines the standard mathematical function Si(x), the "sine integral" function, because you can then consider when all angles in the integration are small. If you take sin(t) ~ t then you say for _small_ x that
      int_{0...x} sin(t)/t dt ~ int_{0...x} t/t dt = int_{0...x} dt = x
      so Si(x) ~ x when x is small. And a Taylor expansion will show you that that makes sense, too:
      Si(x) = x - x^3/(3.3!) + x^5/(5.5!) - x^7/(7.7!) + x^9/(9.9!) - x^11/(11.11!) + ...
      so the first (lowest-order) term is x, thus at small x, Si(x) = x + O(x^3), meaning the rest vanishes like x^3.

    • @kikones34
      @kikones34 7 років тому +21

      @mike4ty4 Oh, sorry, I totally didn't get you were joking. I've been on a UA-cam trip of flat earther videos before watching this, so I was in a mindset in which I assumed nonsensical statements are actually serious and not jokes xD.. D:

  • @paulg444
    @paulg444 2 роки тому

    "so lets draw the continuation arrow, which looks like an integral sign, that is so cool"... friends, this guy is pure gold !!!!

  • @PackSciences
    @PackSciences 7 років тому +43

    At 14:18 : You say that since e^-bx matters, the integral converges for all values of b >= 0. Well it's true for b > 0. The reasoning cannot work for b = 0 because it's slightly more complicated than that (but it converges too).
    Counter example : Integral from 0 to infinity of e^-bx/x dx doesn't converge for b = 0.

    • @footskills4953
      @footskills4953 7 років тому +32

      Hi, this is Zachary Lee.
      You are absolutely right to be concerned about the convergence at b=0. What you want to do is let b approach 0 from the right. If you want a rigorous explanation, check out Appendix A, on page 21 of this document:
      www.math.uconn.edu/~kconrad/blurbs/analysis/diffunderint.pdf

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +23

      Footskills here's the man!!!

    • @Cannongabang
      @Cannongabang 7 років тому

      Yeah that was a brief explanation haahahhahaha

    • @footskills4953
      @footskills4953 7 років тому +4

      And here I am again!!! Btw, great explanation!

    • @Tyns19
      @Tyns19 7 років тому

      PackSciences your counter example should be rearranged as (e^(-b x)-1)/x
      Btw e^(-b x)/x diverges for all values of "b"

  • @eliteteamkiller319
    @eliteteamkiller319 2 роки тому

    That was the most peaceful boss music I've ever heard. And it's definitely boss music when you're trying to integrate sin(x)/x

  • @franciscoabusleme9085
    @franciscoabusleme9085 7 років тому +7

    I knew this, but it is still awesome. More stuff like this pls!

  • @chuckstarwar7890
    @chuckstarwar7890 3 роки тому

    We used to think that it is such a basic calculus skill for all college students, now it becomes a show and privilege. I hope it will bring more interests among the young generations.

  • @benjaminbrady2385
    @benjaminbrady2385 7 років тому +8

    These are so addicting to watch and I don't know why

  • @beastlye212
    @beastlye212 Рік тому

    His enthusiasm is contagious wish he was my calc professor back in the day I would have loved that class

  • @yuchenwang679
    @yuchenwang679 5 років тому +7

    Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a bit rusty, but don't you need to prove uniform convergence before bringing the differentiation sign inside the integral?

    • @MsMaciekk
      @MsMaciekk 5 років тому

      I think you're right. I was thinking the same

    • @andreisecuiu6491
      @andreisecuiu6491 5 років тому

      Does it help? I am not an expert in the field (yet):
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibniz_integral_rule

  • @redroach401
    @redroach401 3 місяці тому

    I found another way to solve his problem that feels more unique, alhough your solutions is much more straightfoward and intuative.
    I started by doing everything the same up until you get to I'(t) = -integral of sintheta times e^(-t*theta)d theta. Afterward, I turned sintheta into Im(e^(i*theta)). Hrn I used exponent laws to combine the exponentials and and take the integral from 0 to inf. Then I took i tegral on both sides and evaluated I(inf) to get c=0. Then I evaluted I(0) = -Im(ln(0-i)) = pi/2.

  • @bruno-tt
    @bruno-tt 7 років тому +8

    Beautiful proof, thank you.

  • @Weisser_Adler
    @Weisser_Adler 3 роки тому +2

    I started to get interested in mathematics after seeing this integral before!
    Thank you for giving me the solution :)

  • @NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
    @NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 7 років тому +5

    Can you recommend a good proof of Liebniz Rule to follow?
    It seems like one of those simple/obvious things that would actually have an interesting/ instructive proof.

  • @roy1660
    @roy1660 Рік тому +1

    Instead use Fourier transform method, inverse Fourier transform of sampling function is gating function with parameters A and T

  • @damianmatma708
    @damianmatma708 4 роки тому +5

    What's also very Interesting, we could also use *Lobachevsky's integral formula* :
    *integral from 0 to +∞ of [ f(x) * (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ f(x) ]*
    So our example:
    integral from 0 to +∞ of [ (sin(x) / x) ]
    has *f(x)=1* :)
    Now we use Lobachevsky's integral formula:
    *integral from 0 to +∞ of [ f(x) * (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ f(x) ]*
    integral from 0 to +∞ of [ 1 * (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ 1 ]
    integral from 0 to +∞ of [ (sin(x) / x) ] = integral from 0 to (π/2) of [ 1 ] = x | computed from 0 to (π/2) = (π/2) - 0 = (π/2)
    *Answer:*
    integral from 0 to +∞ of [ (sin(x) / x) ] = *(π/2)*
    Mr Michael Penn made a video (entitled )
    where he calculates that example using Lobachevsky's integral formula:
    ua-cam.com/video/m0o6pAeCcJs/v-deo.html
    "Lobachevsky's integral formula and a nice application."
    Michael Penn

  • @camilincamilero
    @camilincamilero 5 років тому +1

    There's a simpler way of calculating this integral. This funcion is really famous, is the sinc function, and is the fourier representation of an ideal low-pass filter, a rectangular function.
    The integration property of the Fourier transform tell us that the integral from minus infinity to infinity of a function in the time domain is equal to the frequency domain (or Fourier domain) representation of the function evaluated in 0.
    So, to calculate this integral, you just calculate the Fourier transform and just evaluate in 0, which gives you Pi. Of course, because of the integration limits, you get the result divided by 2.

    • @taraspokalchuk7256
      @taraspokalchuk7256 4 роки тому

      this result is used to prove the convergent of fourier series though

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    @not_vinkami 3 роки тому +7

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      @blackpenredpen  3 роки тому

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      @2070user 3 роки тому

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  • @me_hanics
    @me_hanics 4 роки тому +1

    There seem to be a few questionable parts about the video.
    The most important one is at 20:41, it's understandable that as b goes to infinite and x does too, the value is 0, but if x=0 and b is infinity, then you have e^(0*infinity) which is questionable what it equals?
    Another thing is that how can you assume that b=0 "works the same way" as positive b values, when negative b values don't give a convergent value, and mess up the whole thing? How can you say that 0 which is "on the border" works like positive values. But this probably can be answered easily, but the e^infinity*0 seems to me like no

  • @mohanadou
    @mohanadou 4 роки тому +3

    The best ever demonstration i've seen.
    I always thought this integral to be done by an algorithm based on the sum of trapezium areas which gives approximatively the same result as pi/2.
    Really amazing demo.
    The next question would be what is the primary function of integral of
    sin(x)/x dx ?

  • @stevemenegaz9824
    @stevemenegaz9824 3 роки тому

    This is the Dirichlet function and the Feynman technique is great way to solve it. Downside of Feynman technique is you cant plug and chug. The formulas have to be checked along the way for validity . Such is life. Thank you Pen(Black + Red)

  • @deanna113
    @deanna113 7 років тому +17

    Great videos, planning to recommend to my students but not a fan of notation x=inf or of plugging in x=inf. Students will do this without the understanding you have and will lead to some issues in calculating limits such as inf/inf =1. Please remember you're a role model :)

    • @rudboy9599
      @rudboy9599 7 років тому +3

      Deanna Baxter I always just plugged in infinity. Didn't lead to any misunderstandings. It's more cumbersome to take the limit, though it's technically correct. You first introduce indeterminate forms in order to avoid issues.

    • @Abdega
      @Abdega 7 років тому +1

      Rudboy
      I agree, sadly sometimes students won't be lucky enough to get a grader who will be forgiving.
      I one time did that and the grader goes
      "While your final answer is correct, you can't just set something as infinity"
      There was another part of the problem where I got the answer correct, and they go "your answer in this part is correct *AND* your math is right, but you weren't supposed to get it that way"
      I ended up getting only half credit for that problem
      This was an assignment where we had to do ten problems but only *two* of them would be selected at random and graded so one quarter of my grade on that went out the window
      Needless to say, I was salty

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +5

      Deanna Baxter if the students are interested in this integral in the first place, they should be ok and understanding this shorthand notation. Btw, a MIT professor also does that in his calc lectures for improper integral.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +1

      Here ua-cam.com/video/KhwQKE_tld0/v-deo.html

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +3

      Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!! :)

  • @gertwallen
    @gertwallen Рік тому

    I did not know that Feynman won the Nobel prize for solving this integral, I thought it was for his contribution to QED

  • @stephenmontes349
    @stephenmontes349 7 років тому +8

    make video on the squeze theorem, I bet you can make it interesting and to show all techniques

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +7

      Paul Montes dr. Peyam is actually going to do that soon

  • @muratkaradag3703
    @muratkaradag3703 2 роки тому

    We learned the Feynman-Spell in Theoretical Physics 1 and Mathematical Methods of Physics (TU Berlin).
    The teachers didn't mention, that this kind of integration and computation is the Feynman-Spell.
    They called it Integration with respect to a Parameter b !

  • @martinepstein9826
    @martinepstein9826 3 роки тому +5

    Great video. The e^(-bx) looks random until you realize that lots of these problems use the same parameterization.
    The answer is actually 42 though. Proof: summing the positive and negative regions under the curve we get a conditionally convergent series. Add positive terms until you exceed 42, then add negative terms until you go below 42, then add more positive terms until you exceed 42 again, etc. The sum will converge to 42 so this is the value of the integral. QED.

  • @Aramil4
    @Aramil4 7 років тому +2

    Fantastic video! I was thinking literally just the other day that I hope you'd make a Feynman technique video and, as through magic, here it is! Would really love to see more videos about alternative / advanced techniques.

  • @הראלישי-ר1מ
    @הראלישי-ר1מ 4 роки тому +4

    Your claim that the expression inside the integral is going to 0 when x approcheing to infinity is very problematic when you understand that we considering the case when b=0. Then, the integral wouldn't be convergent, so how can you explain that?

    • @fabianpascalabt6353
      @fabianpascalabt6353 4 роки тому +2

      x approaches 0 from the right. With a weapon. Also discussed later in the comments

  • @ΝίκοςΒογιατζόγλου
    @ΝίκοςΒογιατζόγλου 5 років тому +2

    It's the first time I see this way of integration and I'm amazed!

    • @carultch
      @carultch 2 роки тому

      Does theta stand for anything particular in Greek, relating to angles? Or is it just an arbitrary letter that has historically been used for representing angles similar to how x and y represent Cartesian coordinate variables?
      Probably, the reason x/y/z are used for representing Cartesian coordinate variables, is that it is the trio of neighboring letters in the alphabet, that is LEAST likely to stand for anything in particular, and therefore they are letters used as wildcards.

  • @sandeepjha-iitkgp
    @sandeepjha-iitkgp 5 років тому +3

    Great video. Least I can do is thank you for a great explanation!

  • @FilipeOliveira-ir1hb
    @FilipeOliveira-ir1hb 3 роки тому +2

    All the computations are only valid for b>0, because you need the exponencial to derive inside the integral under Lebesgue's domination Theorem. But at the end you do b=0. One further step is needed to show that I is continuous at 0. Note that this os not easy because |sin(x)/x| is not integrable, and therefore you cannot use standard continuity theorems as they require a domination hypothesis.

    • @FilipeOliveira-ir1hb
      @FilipeOliveira-ir1hb 3 роки тому

      Hello Alejo. Yes, I agree, but that is exacly my point. You need a more demanding theory (such as Denjoy integrability, among other possibilities) to justify the calculus presented in the video.

  • @samiali2434
    @samiali2434 5 років тому +31

    I came in just because i saw the name Feynman

  • @ngouchuy4016
    @ngouchuy4016 2 роки тому +1

    You really save life via UA-cam

  • @alkankondo89
    @alkankondo89 7 років тому +27

    The content on your page is always so informative, and your excitement for the math you show is contagious. By the way, have you considered making a Patreon page? I would gladly support!
    Also, how sneaky of you to wear the "Basic" shirt that has the lowercase-delta on it, foreshadowing the partial derivatives you use in the video.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +8

      LOL! Thanks!
      In fact, that wasn't planned. lolllll

    • @jadegrace1312
      @jadegrace1312 7 років тому

      Thats not a lowercase Delta

    • @rv1111
      @rv1111 6 років тому +1

      Here comes the paid publishing

  • @qbtc
    @qbtc 11 місяців тому

    This technique is called "differentiating under the integral sign" and Feynman learned it from a book entitled Calculus For the Practical Man when he was a teen. Feynman didn't invent it but made it famous through his anecdotes.

  • @suhaimimazed1136
    @suhaimimazed1136 7 років тому +12

    The kids' laugh made me forget the stress of trying to understanding how you solve it. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @k_wl
    @k_wl Рік тому +2

    small question, why cant the integral of -1/1 + b^2 be arccot(b) + c

    • @k_wl
      @k_wl Рік тому +1

      ok nvm some things change but i end up getting pi/2 answer anyway so ig it can be it

  • @Ma2Ju
    @Ma2Ju 7 років тому +4

    Thank you for showing the trick with the e-function. Would not have seen this and could be very useful. When I did this problem for -inf to inf I did it with Fourier transformation by writing sinx/x as the fourier transformation of the rectangle function. After changing order of integration you get a delta distribution and the other integral collapses as well. Of course you get Pi at the end.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  7 років тому +1

      To be fair, Zach showed me (as I mentioned in the video).

  • @modenaboy
    @modenaboy 3 роки тому

    Can you like a video twice? Just watched this again, and still awesome. Thanks for this!

  • @thomasg6830
    @thomasg6830 7 років тому +149

    The cut at 14:02 is kind of confusing.

    • @dhvsheabdh
      @dhvsheabdh 6 років тому +6

      thomas g Just got to it, I reckon he's solved it already, then started talking about his steps and realised it'd fit better with the part where he was previously (in his timeline) talking about it.

    • @xxsamperrinxx3993
      @xxsamperrinxx3993 5 років тому +3

      It's so he can outline that b has to be positive, and it probably makes the most sense to put the clip here

    • @adi-sngh
      @adi-sngh 4 роки тому +1

      When u sleep on class

    • @user-en5vj6vr2u
      @user-en5vj6vr2u 4 роки тому

      it spoiled the rest of the video

  • @opufy
    @opufy Рік тому

    I’m convinced my teacher watches you. Whenever he says “isn’t it?” I think of BPRP

  • @MagnusSkiptonLLC
    @MagnusSkiptonLLC 7 років тому +51

    Who else reads his shirt as "partial asics"?

  • @DicoTheRedstoner
    @DicoTheRedstoner 6 років тому

    So at 20:13 you said something along the lines of: _something_/infinity = 0, then infinity * that 0 = 0. But what if you look at it like infinity * _something_/infinity, which would cancel out and yield _something_?

  • @ClumpypooCP
    @ClumpypooCP 7 років тому +10

    Lmao the "isn't it" in the thumbnail

  • @mtaur4113
    @mtaur4113 3 роки тому +1

    Easier than solving for C is to write I integral from 0 to b of I' = I(b) - I(0)
    Left-hand side is ok even if you use a different antiderivative, as long as the choice on the left is self-consistent. Then you can take limit b to infty and solve for I(0)

  • @kakan147
    @kakan147 7 років тому +3

    Love Feynman and this trick was cool and useful.
    You now have another subscriber :)

  • @user-wf3oj2vv2w
    @user-wf3oj2vv2w 7 років тому +3

    Can you do the Gaussian integral -integral of e^-(x^2) from -inf to +inf

  • @nayutaito9421
    @nayutaito9421 7 років тому +8

    My mind was blown infinitely away

  • @lantonovbg
    @lantonovbg Рік тому

    In fact, the integral from minus infinity to infinity of sin(x)/x IS equal to Pi. It is called Dirichlet integral. Thanks, ChatGPT

  • @ersin486
    @ersin486 4 роки тому +3

    20:35
    Dont you get, if you integrate 0, another constant? Because the derivative of an Constant is 0 too

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  4 роки тому +1

      elp 486
      It’s a definite integral of 0 from a to b, so there’s no area. : )

  • @nin10dorox
    @nin10dorox 4 роки тому +4

    14:30
    How can b be >= 0, shouldn't it be just > 0? If it is 0, then the cosine in the solved integral will not converge.

    • @antred9157
      @antred9157 4 роки тому

      I'm late, but I'll try to explain (sorry I'm french). Here you're using a theorem (with hypothesis he's isn't precising) to be able to differentiate in the integral. This theorem also tells u thats I and I' are continuous on there interval of definition. This means that ye, b>0 for I' but when you get the expression of I, since I is continuous on [0,+inf[, u can say that I(0)=lim I(b) when b->0 and thats it

    • @davidkeys3962
      @davidkeys3962 4 роки тому +1

      @@antred9157 Yes, b must be positive for the calculation.
      And one still needs to show that the function I is continuous at 0. This is in fact not easy to do, since the absolute value |sin(x)/x| is not integrable on [0,+inf]. One usually proceeds as follows: Instead of integrating over [0,+inf], define I_n(b), for positive b, to be the integral over [0,n]. Now use Feynman's trick. Proceed as in the video, and finally show that I_n(n) goes to 0 as n goes to infinity to complete the proof.

  • @亨亨-y5v
    @亨亨-y5v 7 років тому +45

    K 歌之王?

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP Рік тому

    sin(x)/x? More like "Super derivations that are always the best!" I know a lot of other comments say it, but I think this technique is just so cool, and it can take things beyond a lot of other integration videos. Thanks for sharing!

  • @johnnygodoy8329
    @johnnygodoy8329 6 років тому +3

    I found it easier to first complexify the integral and then use the Feynman Trick. Define F(z)=int from 0 to inf of e^-zx/x, so you have to find Im[F(-i)]. When differentiating and then integrating with respect to z you get F(z)=-ln(z)+C for Re[z]>=0, or F(-i)=ln(i)+C. One would usually try to calculate C by evaluating at 1, but it's easier to notice that for any positive real number x F(x) is an integral of a real function, and is therefore real, and ln(x) is also real, so C must be real too. This way when you take the imaginary part of both sides (which one has to do anyway), you get rid of C, killing two birds in one stone, so Im[F(-i)]=Im[ln(i)]=Im[iπ/2]=π/2

  • @theomars1433
    @theomars1433 Рік тому +1

    I don't get the 13:07 part, if b = 0, x doesn't matter anymore, coz bx is always 0, which makes e^(-bx) = 1, right? And I(0) is exactly what we're trying to solve.

  • @jackchai5808
    @jackchai5808 7 років тому +3

    Please do more video about the Feynman Techniques
    Thanks a lot

  • @andywinslow6631
    @andywinslow6631 4 роки тому +2

    I'm curious about the very last step. Evaluating atan(0) should yield multiple solutions. How do you reconcile this? What justification do you have for selecting only the principal value?

    • @Lee-rp7vx
      @Lee-rp7vx 2 роки тому

      The defined range of arctan(x) is arctan (x)∈[-π/2, π/2]. So therefore there is only one value!

  • @8796205190
    @8796205190 5 років тому +4

    Hi professor,
    You are doing great...

  • @姜威-p3y
    @姜威-p3y 2 роки тому

    In fact, 1/x=\int_{0}^{+\infty}{e^{-xy}dy}. We can change one dimensional integral \int_{0}^{+\infty}{sin(x)/xdx} to a two dimensional integral and exchange integral order. First, integral with respective with x, int_{0}^{+\infty}{1/(1+y^2)dy}=pi/2, this is the answer.

  • @EpicUnderscoreJdog
    @EpicUnderscoreJdog 7 років тому +5

    just noticed that his shirt is the partial derivative of asics

  • @Sam-hc4sd
    @Sam-hc4sd 4 роки тому +1

    You are better than my professors!

  • @markigolnikov6175
    @markigolnikov6175 6 років тому +5

    When he reversed derivative on I(b) by integrating (14:45 min ) and evaluated result as b went to infinity and got zero for that limit-his argument failed. You only get zero if b>0, not if b=0. If b=0 you don't get zero as x goes to infinity-you get divergence

    • @usdescartes
      @usdescartes 4 роки тому

      You can recover it, however, with just a little more rigor. Instead of evaluating I(0), find limb->0 I(b). Then, just keep using the limit notation until the end. The original integral is actually equal to limb->0 I(b) = Pi/2, so no real harm done.

  • @Benderulas
    @Benderulas 5 років тому +1

    why -e^bx * (cosx +bsinx) / (b^2 + 1) = 0? (if x goes to infinity) what if b = 0?

  • @dyer308
    @dyer308 7 років тому +4

    Yay i was waiting for this!

  • @AbouTaim-Lille
    @AbouTaim-Lille 10 місяців тому

    Notice that Sinx/X is defined on the whole IR line since Sinx is an odd function and by using the Taylor expansion: Sinx/x = 1-x²/3!+ x⁴/5!- x⁶/7! +.... Which is defined at X=0 and is equal to 1.

  • @harrystuart7455
    @harrystuart7455 6 років тому +3

    Isn't I'(b) undefined for b=0? It confuses me how you can make deductions about I(b) at b=0 from its differential when its differential is undefined at that point. Forgive me if this may sound dumb, the furthest I've been taught in school so far is integrating polynomials, but is there a way to justify this in a more rigorous sense or is it actually fine and I'm nit-picking over something irrelevant?

    • @martinepstein9826
      @martinepstein9826 6 років тому

      He is using the limit as x -> 0 of sin(x)/x which equals 1.

    • @chopcooey
      @chopcooey 6 років тому

      the function is undefined, but the derivative isn't

    • @michelkhoury1470
      @michelkhoury1470 5 років тому

      I(b) is defined in 0 but I'(b) isn't defined in 0

    • @michelkhoury1470
      @michelkhoury1470 5 років тому

      For example the function f(x)=sqrt(x) is defined in 0 but its derivate is not defined in 0 because f'(x)= 1/(2*sqrt(x))

  • @user-se1hj5vx3k
    @user-se1hj5vx3k 7 років тому +2

    more integrals using differentiation under the integral sign please!