2023 Ford Ranger: Have they fixed the 10R80 10sp transmission? | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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I'm so happy to see so many people following your UA-cam reports I have followed your reports for quite some time and I just want to say thank you for your honest reports. Keep up the great work.
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Karl Farrugia
I saw the head of the design team for Ford's 10 speed transmission in the release video of the first version of this trans... He stated that the design parameters were: 1 To make this transmission the same size as the 4 speed. 2 To make this transmission lighter than the old 4 speed. 3 to rate it for a heavier or identical load as the 4 speed and he seemed very proud his departments achievement in time and under budget.
I don't remember him saying anything about durability or whether it was still going to be cost reduced. But 6 more forward gears, in a trans the same size and lighter than a 4 speed tells me something has to give. Why am I not surprised that it's durability and reliability especially after the bean counters got though with cost reducing the components and outsourcing the parts manufacturing to the lowest bidders. While I agree that electronics can be compacted and improved, size and weight matter in mechanical systems. For example, everyone knows that you can replace a 27 mm bolt with a 10 mm bolt and it will be smaller, lighter and cheaper. But will it hold your wheel on when you hit a big pot hole? I don't believe that engineers have gotten stupider, it's just that design parameters have changed and reliability and durability aren't critical design criterions any more. It's all about features, specs, compliance, profit and price point.
Have ever noticed how manufacturers do not mention "BED SIZE" that much any more.
I like this less scripted version of Auto Expert! Keep up the good work.
My 2017 Everest with 140k on the OD is running just fine. Recently I had to replace an Adblue part that was triggering the engine light. Ford offered to cover all costs and I had a free loan car to boot. All manufacturers and not just Ford have their issues. Isuzu, Toyota with their class-action lawsuit here in Aus.
Thanks for all this content! I'm between creeks today. Beach tomorrow. FJ life on the road is good. It's even better with stuff like this to watch. Thanks John. 👍👍
Thank you, Sambo. Between creeks is how I roll also.
@@AutoExpertJC between or up?
John, your grasp of the English language is clearly excellent and very often humorous. We've been watching your videos for a long time now and forgive me for saying, but I'm pleased to see that the stupidity has been dialed down a bit. Just carrying on like a pork chop sometimes becomes hard to watch. Your information is very valuable and your delivery incredibly unique, I'm back on board as a viewer because I value your content in a sensible manner. Love it. Keep up the good work mate and thank you for educating us in buying a new car. 👍
you sound fun at parties
💯 spot on. I really want to love the ranger. As an auctioneer in the industry i had the pleasure of a new company car every 5000-15,000 km. Mustang, landcruiser 300, jaguar, you name it. I was given a 2023 ranger v6 wildtrack. Loved the drive. Best in class. However it started to hesitate at round abouts, and got the classic tail shaft thump coming to a standstill. My personal mechanic and Ford dealer clients mentioned some of the warranty issues…..
In retiring recently. I bought a hilux. I have cloent in major mining and i simply decided that a product coming to the end of its life cycle, would have less issues.
Brilliant John. Have current gen Amarok V6 and was going to have a look see, when the new one arrives here in Éire fresh Éire ( November). Current one, model year ‘17 has only 76k km and has been completely reliable. Again, thanks for the heads up.
Hi John, love your work.
Any update on the 10R80 reliability over the past 12 months since this video was posted?
If only their budget to pay for engineers was as large as their budget to pay for lawyers.
Quite.
If they spent more on engineering, they would need to spend less on lawyers. I guess if they skimp on engineering and spend a bit more on legal fees they still come out in front. Remember you are not a valued customer, you're a number, and just a small one in the scheme of things.
@@bartylobethal8089 How's that working out for Toyota now though....
Ford has a long history of the cycle that goes "Build a reputation for quality; crap on it while keeping prices high until your reputation is shot; repeat".
@@dtnicholls1 touché
Great sound advice. thanmk you John
My 2012 Transit had a 5th gear issue while under warranty. Ford Australia elected to repair rather replace, and it was scheduled to take about 5 weeks. Ford Australia, when asked, provided me with a replacement van (hired from Budget Rentals) for 4.5 of those weeks. This was 10 years ago, so I don't know if they've changed, but they used to be great.
I have a 10R80 and its a great performer. It has a little extra slip at lower speeds than i like, BUT mine has a problem that doesnt seem to be terribly common. Overnight the torque converte drains so when you start in the morning, the engine is not connected to the wheels and rolls backward for about 10 seconds while revving at 2500 rpm. Like clutch fully in for 2-3 car lengths until it picks up. Both Ford dealers in Sydney say this is normal, even having seen the video of it, which goes to what John says about ford being less than helpful. Only got some attention when i said what if it rolls back and hits a child. If this is normal, who did the risk assessment considering how many 10R80's are out there. Still battling and going back in tomorrow, even after a full solenoid valvebody and control module replacement. Would be interested to see if others have experienced this.
Hi John
I have to say it is awesome to see raw unashamed true opinions from yourself great work.
I have a 2021 Wildtrak that I have put an extra axle under to give me a towing capacity of 4.5 tonne. I have a mate who is a Holden nut and he purchased a Wildtrak the same with bi-turbo and 10 speed and is very happy with his after 60000 Km's on it towing a caravan regularly. As you say Ford could have put more effort into cooling the transmission and with this in mind I'm putting a cast pan to increase the oil capacity and an oil cooler to replace the heat exchanger (cooling hot oil with hot water doesn't make sense) in your opinion would this reduce my exposure to trans failure considerably?
Love your work John.
Thanks John, sincerely appreciate the advise, thinking it best I pull my order and wait…..
Spectating could be a wise move.
I’m gonna keep my order in, the 10 speeder has a different tune & the oil gear issues upgraded. Reckon they will again sell thousands of these.
Towing our 2021 Ranger 10sp from North QLD to NSW the box cooked itself 100ks from home. Got the box replaced and now have bought a scan gauge and have observed box temps of 117c towing in the middle of summer. Towed last last week on a cold 10 degrees day and still averages 95 to 100c.
It might be a good idea to get an aftermarket oil cooler for the transmission.
Why is it a turbo 400 trans built 50 years ago always manages to shift perfectly (vacuum operated) & last a lifetime ? Cars are built by bean counters and the engineers are a far cry second.
Buying a 4cyl wildtrack full spec in Thailand for $46000 drive away which I think is closer to what these Utes are actually worth. Wouldn't have one in Australia( $75000) as I don't need or want a ute and after test driving the D max, triton , and Ford which was the pick drive wise I have no idea why anyone would burden themselves with any of these unless you absolutely need one. Getting back in the wife's i30N Line after testing these was a relief and made the Hyundai like a premium brand.
Currently in Karumba, someone is up here in their New Gen Ranger tow a big ars caravan. Made it OK with that 10 speed gearbox!!
Yep, all the way from WA!
Two points, the 10R80 transmission had two main issues in the PX3 Ranger.
The standard vehicles (not the Raptor) had a really shit tune in it, which insisted on skipping gears which it was really rough with.
The second and main fault was that the oil pump drive gears were disintegrating, the harshness of the diesel engine power pulses were chewing the gears out. They changed the gears in late 2019 production onwards for a tougher item that doesn't lose its teeth.
The yanks love a good lawsuit, so it's no surprise that people that aren't happy with something launch a lawsuit. The "gen 2" ten speeds are significantly smoother than the first version. It was all in the tune.
Are you saying that they have already fixed the issue from the first version? I really want to purchase the new gen Wildtrak 4v4 BiTurbo but wanted to be sure first if there's no issues anymore
@@skid06 they've fixed the issues with the transmission years ago. But there are other teething issues with the Ranger that they're working on. By the time you order one and it arrives, all that should be worked out too
Hi there. Do you believe the Rangers teething issues have been addressed by now? I'm looking at a 2023. Thanks
@@7CFlo yeah, they mostly have. If you're ordering new you'll probably wind up with a 2024 considering the current wait times.
@@billyp4850 thanks. I was actually looking at new 23's on the lot. I was just skeptical of the tranny and the 2.3 turbo
New Gen Ranger now has the 10R60 version of the 10-speed torque converter transmission, the main changes from the 10R80 are:
- new torque converter that can handle up to 800Nm
- different shift mapping
- no longer has a "sports" mode"
- manual mode gear lockout for over-drive gears (8, 9 & 10) which means you can lock out the over-drive gears
- new adaptive logic control for the specific "drive" modes.
That said there fundamental issue remains, the transmission fluid pump was not changed, the 10R60 core design is the same as the 10R80 so the best solution is transmission service ever 80,000km.
The main issue with the 10R80 is that the thermostatic spring valve doesn't always open at the correct temperature range going above the 90-95'C capable of reaching temperatures of 121'C. the thinning of the fluid at those temperatures leaves the clutch plates to dry and touch each other and causes the harsh gear changes, this stresses the pumps pressure vanes in surges and can cause them to fail.
Australian Ford dealers currently recommends changing transmission Fluids at 60,000km on the Ranger series of vehicles for any heavy towing vehicle use, but if you didn't notice that puts it out of the normal fixed cost period of the new car maintenance scheme costing about $600 minimum just for that service alone
indeed.
but the new hen Ranger/Everest it now has a revised 10R60 so it appears that technical issue is now fixed, that said as I said the same pump remains.
I think you will find only the next gen ranger raptor has the 10R60. All other models are still running the 10R80.
@@grahamdodson6015 - nope all new gen Ranger have 10R60
@@351tgv Not correct, diesel engined Rangers still use the 10R80 in updated guise (source - Ford's technical documentation). Also, the fluid pump drive gears were changed in late 2019 which fixed the drive gear disintegration issue.
To be fair, the real problem with Ford's R&D isn't in the engineering department - it's the beancounters refusing to give the engineers a big enough budget to do the job properly. It's horrifying to think this mentality is the reason why the Pinto was such a disaster, yet Ford continues operate this way nearly half a century later.
Yes - that's almost certainly the case.
The actual problem is tran assembler having too many CBF moments.
The R and D was a joint venture with GM. And GM isn't having problems with the 10 speed... Their 8L90 however...
@@tba3900 Really? The gang of "assemblers" who likely work at a different location, (possibly another state even), probably not even FoMoCo, one of whom puts the housing on an assembly line, the next who fits some spindles, others who fit clutch packs, until finally the housing is bolted together. A dozen workers down the line. That multitude of "assemblers" are to blame?
Scotty Kilmer reckons they are a problem in both GM and Ford ...
I must be lucky, my 2015 fiesta 1.0 the transmission is fine, no problems at all
Ontario, Canada. Wife's 2019 Ford ranger is shifting hard now and 3 times has slipped out of gear. Once while turning into a gas station across 2 lanes of traffic.
Thanks John. Was going to put down a deposit on one this coming week. Was upgrading from a sorento with numerous warranty defects including transmission. I'm somewhat adverse to having the same experience again!!!
Gaz - don’t go near a Ford with a barge pole even if your mates suggest they’re OK - awful service culture and recently a Current Affair featured a story of two recent owners of the new Ranger complete failure of transmission/no dash instrumentation - I’ve travelled through remote and regional WA and all I see (from my humble Subaru) are Toyota’s especially in the mining spaces - wouldn’t trust a Kia/Hyundai in the outback - Isuzu have had issues with body cracking/tearing in the engine bay - Triton has turbo lag and Nissan have issues - DPF issue appears to have been addressed with the Hilux etc - also digital dashes are a bad idea and will fail expensively but do your own research and come to you own conclusions before your spend over 70k or your hard earned currency.
Cheers for that@@johnnumbat9782. In spite of the expense, Toyota seems the way forward. Bullet dodged in terms of the Ranger
@@motivationmonster your welcome Gaz - I’m not trying to push something but sharing from actual experience of owning a Toyota Hilux after also owning many Subarus which were also capable, reliable and importantly with excellent service culture but you can only go so far offroad with a Forester and the CVT is awful - new VW Amarok is actually a Ford Ranger now and new Triton will be a Nissan cousin like Isuzu/Mazda and avoid anything Chinese which can appeal to those on a budget - you’ll know when you test drive which model works for you as you seperate fact from fiction - good luck in 2023.
Really liking these unscripted style vids John. Please keep up the great work. You are a breath of fresh air in this "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" world.
Thanks Jamie - I'm running a mad experiment on the popularity of these.
@@AutoExpertJC nothing wrong with a c6 auto.. nothing wrong with a 205 trans case,, nothing wrong with a 351 cleveland, nothing wrong with a 9'' diff, or dana.. why do people buy new sht, inc toyota.. i have an 02 s/duty, 4.2tdi. 700nm. 175 kw. 13LT 100.. weighs 4t.. done 260,000 ks,,no problems.. tows 9.5t..gross.. no computer, no glow plugs. just a dumb german diesel..with a ZF 5sp.
@@AutoExpertJCshould I buy the 2024 ford Ranger Wildtrak 4x4? Is it reliable now?
Good video John ! Sound advise to potential buyers ! Getting harder and harder to select a new car ! 😊🌵
Hehehe, love your approach to this Ford issue. Cheers from the US!
you are right about the after purchase service
Yep. Sad but true...
Hi John,
At the time of posting this report my wife, 3 year old daughter and I are enduring this very problem 3,500 klms from home(half way to Dingo piss creek). For more than 5 weeks now we have been hold up in Alice Springs while Ford have a mass debate, argue and deny what needs to be done. That is not with us, but with themselves. We, have been lied too, fed bullshit, told every excuse under the sun and still we wait. The parts division that are responsible for the generation of the order sheet sent to the dealer, have for more than 3 weeks refused to send the replacement shaft and its associated parts as they have a limited number of them in stock and are only distributing them where absolutely needed. Apparently a family stuck in the center of Australia aren't a priority. All under warranty so that's a plus, but a vehicle with under 40,000 ks just shouldn't have an issue like this. A couple of bonus points to note. We have been told both the Hydraulic pump and input shaft have (since late 2019) been upgraded (I hope so). Through Ford Care we have been given a nice rental Ford Everest with the same 10 speed to use. So far so good. They are also picking up the tab for our accommodation. Ford have finally organised the delivery of the parts and we have been told the Ranger should be back on the road by the 8th September, just shy of 7 weeks after the Torque converter went poopy in it's pants. We are not amused
Just got my 2018 f150 with 61500 miles back last Saturday. It just got it's 3rd 10r80. The last one went 14600 miles
Thanks John.
I found the same when I test drove the ranger next gen very harsh shifting , compared to my Zf 8 speed in my Ram 1500
John sir... In my country T6 Ranger is one of popular pick-up (ute) truck around.. however most reliable bunch is 6 speed auto with 2.2 puma.... Much reliable than newer engine.
The newer 2.0 bi turbo with 10 speed auto is atrocious... Jerking issue, always at limbo mode, some engines do crack at cylinder head...turbos with sequential problems... Compressor wheel suspicious malfunction after warranty...list goes on for miles...
Many with 2.0 bi turbo utes just perform as vanity mirror, symbol status not used as workhorse at gravel or mud tracks... Just occasionally go through flooded places during monsoon...
So what should we get instead of the ranger?
@@MotoRidesVietnam ask John for that... He will gladly give you answer...
@@MotoRidesVietnam In Thailand No1 Dmax, then Hilux, then Triton, then Navara
@@_Alfa.Bravo_japanese cars are reliable
@@shoharasurahim4132where is your country?
Very sage advice.
My 19 10spd done a transmission cooler pump and I lost drive crossing traffic. Was scary..
7 weeks later still waiting for my car. I'm told.j should have it today
Have had 2 XLT ford rangers with 6 speed auto zero problems with either and good customer service. I must be just lucky and i have ordered the new v6 wildtrak with the 10 speed hope my luck holds up.
I’m with you 🤞
I’ve ordered the V6 Sports 😬
@@RocketRod63 👍
I got a 13 speed racer in 87... Had it for 3 year's and never pushed it past 8th
I love your honesty, John. I do wonder why a vehicle such as a Ranger needs a 10 speed transmission. For a vehicle to need such a thing, it would have an engine with a desperately narrow power band. A case in point would be the small, multi-cylinder powerplants of Japanese racing motorcycles back in the 1960s, or a truck for heavy loads, fitted with a boosted Diesel engine.
In my opinion, a big part of this fashion is manufacturers claiming bragging rights by playing a numbers game. 'If your 7/8 speed gearbox is good, then my 10 speed one must be better', is the kind of thing a maker might hope the public might believe. With that many gears to choose from, it's almost inevitable that a gearbox is going to hunt between ratios.
My car history features plenty of conventional torque converter automatic gearboxes, and manuals of up to 6 speeds. I would never buy an automated manual transmission, and neither would I wish to own a DCT vehicle. You can call me a dinosaur, but these systems have not been around long enough for the bugs to be ironed out.
That trans is used on multiple platforms and engines. Turbo mustang and Camaro,the Ford F150 and GM' Silverado/Sierra and their Canyon/Colorado. With turbo petrol, turbo diesel and V8s. Plus a slew of others. It's an "all purpose" trans and the gearing is supposed to be the same idea as using a CVT. Perfect gear to say in the engines sweet spot. But yea 10 gears are excessive depending upon usage.
9th on my 9 speed Jeep 2.4 is esentually never used. Apparently for above 100 mph. 7th and 8th are not normally used in my experience. It will shift 4 or 5 times going from a stoplight to the other side of the intersection. It does have a decent high speed pass on the two lane. The kickdown is very slow. Sometimes hitting the gas from stop produces nothing for 1-2 seconds. I really prefer manual 5 speeds.
@@rogersmith7396 you may think that. But they don't shift in sequence. They can and will skip gears. So you could be actually shifting 2-4-6-9 for normal driving etc. Generally 7-9 are overdrives 6th being 1:1 or close to.
Hi just wondering I have a 2018 wildtrak 3.2lt with the 6 speed transmission done about 30,000km should I be concerned about anything with this model cheers Jim
JC- after 16k miles (25k km) with my ‘21 Ranger xlt tremor, the only issue has been the obviously missing engine cover that Ford wanted to save a few bucks on the XLT versions. Lariats get all the fancy stuff. One P0301 code later, I have a fancy new engine cover and #1 spark plug, courtesy TSB 22-2025. Ford Engineering allows water to drip right onto the top of the engine. The transmission hasn’t hiccuped, yet, even with very spirited driving in certain large Texas cities where wot (wide open throttle) seems necessary to keep the crazies out of the tailpipe. The overloads of bricks don’t seem to be an issue even in tow/haul mode. The transmission seems cool and collected on the 105f+ (40C+) warmish days. If the transmission hiccups, I’ll need your Aussie (awesome?) review.
Hows the transmission a year later ?
@@manny892007 no issues, everything is just fine!
Hi John
Please compare New Ford Ranger V6 and Isuzu Dmax, if u are to pick, which vehicle is more reliable in long distance travel with 2.5-3 tons caravan towing.
Thanks
Ed
I'm currently driving a bi-turbo 10 speed Ranger at work after a previous 3.2 6 speed Ranger. My everyday user assessment is that the 10 speed is shit compared to the 6 speed.
How's your 10 speed Ranger now?
Still shit.
He just told you.@@4sumcrazyshit
@@4sumcrazyshit 2024 biturbo is great trans also it shifts smooth and the biturbo is pulling hard gearbox is fast and no clunking it always select the right gear also
Thanks John, it’s very refreshing to hear this. The auto trade is a bit of a conspiracy, the commercial media ALWAYS goes soft on these manufacturers because they rely on advertising from those same manufacturers. Poor old consumers are left trying to figure out what’s going on- I had a similar experience with VW were they straight up bare faces denied everything (I sweated they’d deny the sky is blue if it wasn’t in their interests to do so) and just played brinkmanship knowing they’d win. Of course I will NEVER buy another VW after that experience and it sounds like Ford may have a similar moral compass.
Very perceptuve. Reporting and advertising are inherently conflicted.
i recall the ranger manual gearbox kept the repair guys busy. so not much has changed.
The LA law firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.
Ford have been at the “save $2 to stiff the cu-ntstomer” for decades. I remember a service advisor telling me when I worked at Fred as a mechanic in 2001 that they were saving $2 per AU Falcon by not galvanising the body fully and it was cheaper to repair the rusty cars under warranty. Cause cars rusting at 5 years? Not fords problem. Those car rattling around Alice springs or mount Isa? Never going to rust so that’s $2 saved there.
Haha !! Was that a nod to Leisure Suit Larry in the land of the Lounge Lizards ?
It will be interesting to find out if it is a hardware or a software fault. Makes me like my D-max manual even more...
This is not a issue, just some people enjoy being negative if they possible can.
Isuzu
I have a NEW 2022 F-150 LARIAT 3.5V6 Twin Turbo 4X4 with the 10R80 Transmission in it. The Truck has 1111 MILES on the ODO. I've been Driving it Quite Nicely, occasionally Getting on the Throttle once in a While. I Noticed Right outta the BOX that the Shifting was "KLUNKY", Especially downshifting from 5th / 4th "to" 3rd Gear is most often Quite a JOLT on the Running Gear. To me it's Actually a "BANG". The Truck is Now at "A" FORD Dealership in Sunnyvale California for this Very Issue, and a Couple other Small things. It's been there for 3 Day's now, Ain't heard a WORD From Anyone as of today (Day 3). Not sure they are gonna do "ANYTHING" To FIX this Issue??? Really Bummed Out on this. GREAT VIDEO John, GREAT Information. One can Only HOPE, they can FIX This B. S!!!!!!
John, 2 days ago I saw a new Ranger Sport in the coles carpark with a lady driving. It sounded like it had diff locks on while looking for a park.
Probably just a cast of having it in the wrong mode hey?
Its a nice drive to Dingo Piss Creek in the Spring time.
I have one in a everest doing family duty. Knowing the problems (after I purchased )-: ) the only thing I know to do is have it service every 15k and hope it holds till the Model y arrives
Back in the old days we had 3 gear autos. That was plenty.
And less torque...
I can remember at one stage when the “good ole” Kingswood only had 2 Auto gears!
Powerglide. Yesssssss!
My 70 Eldorado would be much better with 5 speeds. 14 second quarter miler.
I did a quick search and the Mustang has the 10R80 as well. Does the Mustang then have the same issues?
One thing I learned from being a consumer is most products are tested by us, the manufacturer will say how advanced and better something is compared to its predecessor but in reality the RD done is always sufficient. Cars and firearms I don't buy first gen releases and usually wait for feedback before pulling the trigger😂😂
My Ranger Raptor 2018 trans went at 73K bad shudder, no power.
It was the gears for sure but took 3 months to repair and no loan car available. Warranty repaired then sold it. Brought a manual 4x4 👍🏻
Hi John. A question if you please. Is there a point where there are just too many gears in some of these automatic gearboxes? I’m a mechanic, not an engineer. Perhaps you could do a report on these gearboxes. Thanks.
Gears closer together actually put less strain on the transmission as it's less of a jump to the next gear and also keeps the RPM in the sweet spot..
Think of gears on a 10 speed mountain bike ...the more gears the easier it goes to the next gear when pedaling while gaining more speed and forward drive not noticing any extra strain...
Now start off on a 4 speed mountain bike in 1st and jump to 4th gear and feel the strain immediately and rpm pedal rotation significantly drop out of the sweet spot range placing more straing on drive line..
Driving the ranger 6 speed to the 10 speed huge difference in gear changing speed and lag.
Spot on. Im an auctioneer in the industry (37 years) currently driving a mustang 10 speed 0-3000km so far. Box is slurred, thumping, uncertain.. its awful. The Ranger (last 2 with 10 speeds did the same at 3000km with an awful thump in tailshaft.)
Except the same box is capable of a low 10 second pass with just bolt ons and will trap at 124mph stock. 😂
@@MaCcAM40a3 dont get me wrong, ive had plenty of performance fords but every time i get in a 10 speed there is an issue. I think ford can lift their game.
What does it mean for the Amarok? I assume it is going to be the same transmission?
Actually there is an 2011 ford fiesta with the 6 speed dct powershift that made it to 740,000 miles with only 2 clutch packs replaced.
What does John say; good old mighty Ford reliability or something like it.
The humor is awesome.
Thanks Shane
@@AutoExpertJC ..Toyota
That’s why I am sticking with the QF Pajero Sport 2022 GSR 👍
let's not also forget that the ZF 6-speed that Ford Australia used in Territory and Falcon (i6 not the turbo 4 Falcon) were also having "milkshake" issues especially if people added aftermarket towing options and not upgrading the transmission with a transmission cooler.
the Ecoboost Falcon had a different version of the ZF 6-speed that was made in China.
Ford also licenced a version of the ZF 6-speed for previous gen Ranger/Everest in the 2.2.and 3.2 turbo diesel engines and they had issues early on in PX versions from 2011 to 2013 however since 2014 the 6-speed ZF in Ranger/Everest has been bullet proof.
Ford also have a GM designed 8-speed torque converter (which is also actually a GM 9-speed auto for GM vehicles and some STLANTIS Models) that they use in Escape / Focus and other vehicles which we don't get in Australia that also in Focus ST has 2nd gear lockout (software wise) to make it a 7-speed auto.
Ford also have CVT in there PHEV vehicles that are very similar to Toyota levels of reliability and finally Ford appears to have learned there lesson with DCT transmissions as all of them now are "wet" design systems example: Puma.
about the only shame is that Ford dont offer a manual in Ranger ... that said Amarok will have a manual version and some say say the 2.3L turbo petrol 4 will have a manual version as a road based sports version.
The so called milkshake was about the heat exchanger or the radiator failing and allowing coolant to mix into the trans oil
Where is the au transmission being built I feel like the 10 speed issues are relegated to to AU I haven't seen very many if any issues regarding the 10 speed in the NA rangers
I'm in the states and we have an f150 with the 10r80, it's engaging first gear late more than half the time
The remark about transmission losing all power on the freeway was all too real for me on the Gold Coast freeway at 110km/hr in the rain yesterday. Scared the shit out of me trying to merge 3 lanes across to the shoulder with no acceleration.
FWIW, we have two 10R80's in the family. One in my 2018 3.5EB F150, and the other in my son's 2021 Ranger. Both transmissions have been absolute champs. I've towed quite a bit in my F150, hauling a 6,500lb travel trailer through the Rocky Mountains. No issues at all with either transmission.
Did they fix the drive shaft .. wobbling 😁 Or have they introduce exhaust brakes to smooth that over for the Ranger Range 🤪
ive got a 2L Wildtrak.. as of today, its done 678km... its developed a rumble when driving at 70+ km/h... Dont think im getting a transmission issue, but rather the driveshaft bearing (?) issue that some of the V6 rangers were experiencing..
Talking to Ford about it tomorrow, lets see how this unfolds.
Any update regarding the issue?
John, why do you have a morse taper chuck and key on the desk? Paper weight or prop?
No - it goes in the small drill press.
Friends Raptor started hunting gears when cruising, the thing was 2 years old, never towed anything. No wonder he flicked it quick smart.
Is that the same 10 speed thats found in the new 2020 mustang?
John, the Ford 10R80 is, of course, the same gearbox as the GM 10L80, though I believe Ford and GM have their own factories. Have you any information on how the different versions compare between Ford and GM?
No - but it was certainly co-developed.
Co cockup lol
For what it's worth, the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 has had the 10L90 (higher max torque spec than the 10L80) since 2017 with practically zero complaints from owners, apart from very minor imperfections that are barely noticed even by enthusiasts. The main difference appears to be in the transmission tune that was produced separately by GM and Ford for their respective applications.
I think that this 10sp auto from Ford is also in various GM models also as they had a partnership over this. I heard a rumor that the transmission is made in China and not the USA.
So you want a work truck that can tow 3.5 t ? So is a ten speed gearbox the right choice? I suggest the humble Ute is trying to be everything for everyone. If you are consistently carrying/ towing heavy loads ask yourself do you want a mechelectroic control system hunting through ten gears? If you have an appreciation of how an auto trans works then you can understand how many clutch plates are applying/ releasing pressure to select the gear for performance but an overriding priority for economy. If you still wish to buy this vehicle then find out how many of the ten gears are overdrive , so when towing heavy loads limit the gearbox to gears that are not overdrive. Example if 8, 9, 10 are overdrive, tow in 7 max. Also stay away from using cruise control. I would rather pay a few extra $ in fuel then having to pay for a transmission overhaul.
Not sure why this "never tow in overdrive" thing comes from. My 4L80E has no problem pulling max load in 4th.
@@NNoradIV I’m assuming you are referring to a 4 speed transmission? If so, most 4 speeds would not have an overdrive top gear. 4th would normally be a ratio of 1 to 1. So that is fine when towing. If my assumption is incorrect , I apologies and glad to hear your transmission is serving you well. Happy motoring.
Do rangers do tow mode like the F150?
@@frednurks8528 every Ford 4 speed Auto i can think of has an overdrive 4th, its 50/50 on the manuals though
@@frednurks8528 the 4L80e is an automatic transmission with the 3rd being 1:1.
With the current age of computerized everything, I would suspect modern auto transmissions to have sufficient programming to downshift when engine load increases beyond a certain point to prevent damage from overloading. However, this is Ford, so we never know.
Ford has issues with a gearbox. Could never see that one coming. Ford focus owner.
This video has been up for 5 mins, where's the comment regarding the t-shirt?
Ghs77 probably hasn’t got the best reception in his mums basement.
I'm getting apprehensive...
So, the number of gears is inversely proportional to reliability/longevity ?
This does not bode well for the 8 sp in the Pajero Sport....although the fact they did not put it into the Triton tells me something.
Strange feeling when the car starts slowing down while cruise is set to 100. Plant the foot and keep slowing down while the engine is at max revs in drive. Less than 20000 on the clock.
Deja vu when you loose drive merging onto another highway.
Two gearboxes and four tow trucks before the 75000km service.
Loved the MY19 ranger. In some regards it was better than the MY21.
I also recommend that friends let others find the bugs in a new model.
One has to notice how the market has gone mad with the old power glide indestructible trans. Only had 2 speeds. The first gear fully variable. Seems that more gears is a marketing tool.
In the US CAFE is everything. Multispeed transmissions are probably to increase fuel economy so Gas pig manufactures can continue to rape gas pig customers. Ford using aluminum truck beds is an example. I would think that would be horrible in a work truck. But all these things will fade away with EVs.
I was going to buy the new 2022 ISUZU D.max X terrine .... And took the 2022 V6 Diesel wildtrack for a drive and loved that too . What would be your first choice on either one. I love your in put over the years..
Dmax motor is better for the long run, there isn't a machine shop that just does 4jj1 rebuilds every day exclusively like there is for Fords Ranger motors.
Assuming you're keeping it longer than 3 years of course.
@@Low760 yes I will keep this next one for 10 to 13 years I would say .. thank you for your advice.
cheers 👍😃
Let's not forget the new Bronco will-it-drop-a-valve-today reliability experiment, it's a huge success.
Short and sweet and to the point
Looks like I will be sticking with the old Colorado and 6speed auto , seems just right
I just don’t get all this smaller engine lots more gears I haven’t had one person say they think it’s a good idea
Let’s go back to 3.2 and six speed manual or autos 👍👍
Good advise. But people cant help themselves but to compete with each other. Everyone wants the latest and maybe not so greatest shopping trolleys.
Wow. I enjoy a lot of the information put out by John, but waiting for the day he puts out something positive!
Don’t be silly he never will. He loves grumpy man.
@@lapavoni5579 yes., Could not stand it any longer, have moved on!!
Spot on he a self proclaimed 'expert', but in reality is just a whinging old man.
I think I will stay with stick shift. Hey John any more vids of you doing those impressive chin ups?
I have a 2018 bi-turbo 10sp ranger' its the best car ive ever owner. It had a recall early about the 15000km service. it will skip gears if just driven normally, but if you get on it, or use sport mode, it will use every gear. mine is very smooth to drive.
Same here man mine hasn’t missed a beat.
I love the idea of a 10 speed, but only after they work out the bugs
That being said. I would wait for a time for any new release from any manufacturer.
It might not be the engineers. I know an Australian designed and built car that you could set your watch by the transmission failure point. The company wanted to compete against the European cars but were using an old American gearbox. The engineers said they could make it act European but that would lead to failure. The company asked would it survive the warranty period, when the reply was yes, the company said do it.
Generally multiple speed transmissions do not have that number of gears. The TCU will combine 2 or more gears at once to give another gear. So the ten speed auto probably has 5 gear sets which are mix and matched to provide 10 speeds. So they can be smaller and lighter than previous transmissions.
possibly even less, you can get more than 2 ratios out of a planetary gearset. it probably only has 3-4 planetary sets.
Correct, it only has four planetary gearsets, four clutches and two "brakes", which are just clutches on the outside of the set.
@@billyp4850 considering the BTR 4 speeds have 2 planetaries, 3 clutches and 2 bands, thats not a ridiculous step up in complexity for 2.5X the ratios.
@@ravenof1985 yeah it's pretty good. It also only has to move two clutches at a time to change up or down one gear
I was a lab-rat and bought a ranger, 23k on it and the transmission slips like you wouldn't believe, I live in Chicago and the snows about to be coming, scared to drive it, any suggestions?
My transit 350 2021 came with a broken 10spd from new in April 2021. Tried to take it back for refund at 100kms and was refused. 1000s of calls and 20 or dealership visits still broke haha
Yes, how could we forget the Ford Firecracker of the 70's. It makes me question reality that so many people are ordering these before the company has had time to do its beta testing on new owners..
It did set the tone for decades to come.
My 73 Triumph GT 6 made the Pinto look like a NASA Safety Research vehicle. It was rear ended but I miraculously survived.
Some one enjoys living in the past!
I would match the 10spd auto with the 3.2ltr 5cyl engine; and the 2.3 twin turbo with 6spd manual . . . only because smaller engines do better with manual transmissions.
I owned two Ranger Raptors with the 10 speed transmissions. Both developed transmission oil leaks at 15 000 km. Never took them offroad or towed anything..
Thanks for sharing...
The fact you bought two raptors says a lot about you really.
@@Low760 and never took them offroad lol
My Ranger fx4 10 speed gearbox blew up after 38000k due to the dealership not rectifying issues when informed about it as for Ford they were great gave me a new replacement vehicle and a loan car why I waited 3 months for My new ranger.
Ranger raptor 120000kms had recall, no problems no leaks 😊
Will the new Amarok have the same transmission?
Isn’t this auto also used in the Mustang and Camaro are they also having this trouble
hi , Ford Ranger issues that should not have happened , egr cooler hand grenades , air-con units overcharged which hand grenades compressor , diff filler plugs that are way to low . Might be related as to why the LSD clutches fail just outta warranty . If u check enough vehicles the problems are for most part easy to recognise . Yet 98% donot have any bulletins from Ford . Oh yea I own a small fleet . Checked with the local hire company ,all the same issues .
I proudly drive my Hilux to pick up the Fords at dealership when I have to visit them reluctantly .
I wonder if GM is having the same or similar issues with their version of this 10 speed box?
Notice nobody has replied to your comment.its because 99% on here have no clue and that goes for the flog that has this joke of a UTube channel