This comment is not a summary of the video, it is a note of the passages that appear in the video, to refresh my memory and that of others who have watched the video and have not taken the necessary notes: Starting point 2 tim 3:14-17 2 tim 1:13-14; 2: 1-2 1 tim 3:14-15 (min 23:56 main argument), read the entire passage 1 tim 3 if necessary Acts 20:17,27-32 God bless us and reunite us very soon
Scripture is the inspired writings of early church disciples and leaders who were closest to our Lord. The early church Fathers clearly appealed to these writings in scripture in a manner that made them superior to other writings. So the writings of Paul are superior to the writings of St Justin, St Athanasius etc. with both writings you will need an interpreter whether you cite Athanasius or Paul. At the end of the day the individual must come to understand these writings enough to accept the atonement of Christ and the other core doctrines. What are the core doctrines is another discussion but several can be ascertained.
@@greg3412 I don’t dispute the importance of scripture, its perfection, or it’s ability to teach and save all on it’s own. What i dispute is the doctrine itself that only the bible can do these things. That only the bible is the word of god, that only the bible is an infallible authority. Scripture itself refutes all these claims, and the only way to ignore those teachings from scripture is to interpret the passages so that they don’t mean what they say. Martin Luther did not submit to his elders. He thought they were wrong about scripture so he took it upon himself to found a new church. Nowhere in scripture does it say to do this. Scripture says that Jesus will always be with his church so in order for Martin Luther’s church and Jesus’ church to both have him with them, they reinterpreted those passages. Luther rejected the book of James, revelation, and several others because in his mind, the scriptures contradicted HIS interpretation of St Paul. Luther also disregarded St Peter’s warnings that St Paul’s letters can be twisted. Luther went as far as adding the word “alone” to the bible when it said we are saved by faith. I don’t think all protestants hold Luther up as the model christian or anything but they should look at him as a cautionary tale. What happens when you ignore and self interpret scripture to make your theology work? Scripture says do not lean on your own understanding, SS is impossible without that so that passage gets ignored. No prophecy of scripture ever came from ones own interpretation. Protestants ignore the dis on private interpretation and say he just means to make prophecies. Again, reinterpretation to suit theology. Scripture says and if he will not listen to the church let him be as a gentile and tax collector. If your church doesnt agree with your interpretation, you just start your own church like Luther or find one that already agrees with you? Again scripture warns against this…. That in later times they will seek teachers that will tell them only what they want to hear. Another massive red flag from scripture…. Over and over again but protestants ignore them. Without private interpretation, you lose all authority so they cant give it up. The catholic submits to the church, anyone who even takes a peek at christian history can see it was always catholic. Once i realized that there is no point at which the church was taken over by some rogue group of heretics and i read up on the Syro Malabar catholic church, it’s impossible to think the catholic church corrupted christianity. Also matthew 16 totally makes it impossible for that to even happen. Yet another passage that is gibberish to prots. Along with John 6, Romans 2, James 2, matthew 25 etc….
@@timboslice980 you have brought up many straw men. But before I bring them up it’s also true Protestants also create straw men when arguing against the Catholic Church. With that said, your straw man is the idea that Protestants do not accept the interpretations of church Fathers and push for the individual interpretation of scripture. This is untrue and is not sola scriptura. Sola scriptura does not preclude believers from appealing to the writings of the saints. Sola scriptura holds that the writings of the disciples who were the earliest church fathers were inspired by God and are therefore infallible. The Bible verses you cite concerning authority from the Church are not claiming that later church declarations are infallible in fact scriptures tells you to hear it out but make sure it lines up with scripture. Timothy 2. The interesting thing is that the Catholic Church seems to have applied sola scriptura throughout the years in order to reform itself. For example during the time of Luther his biggest issue was with the paid indulgences. Clearly the scripture called out to the church over time and no longer do any Catholics believe that paid indulgences were in line with the teachings of Jesus. 2 Timothy 3:14-17 [14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it [15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. [16] All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, [17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. You compare what you learn in tradition to the scripture. Not the other way around.
@@timboslice980 your comments towards Luther are false. Without him we might still be without translated bibles. You see Luther never set out to start a new church he wanted to reform the current church who had made it illegal for common people to own bibles and even if they had one they wouldn’t be able to read Latin Anyways. The church didn’t allow circulation of the scriptures probably because they know it would expose them. Anyways Luther decided to translate the Latin text into German while doing so he realize the errors in Catholic doctrine. He nailed a list of the things he felt needed to be “reformed” to the door of the church and those actions are what led to him being burnt at the stake like every other person who ever questioned the church. I’m not sure if people choose to ignore the horrible actions of the church or are just willingly ignorant because one day of research would expose to you all the atrocities of the Catholic Church. The church boasts of her authority of scripture and the catechism clearly states that church tradition is over scripture. Jesus told the Pharisees many times they they make the commandments null and void by keeping the traditions of men.
I love my Protestant brothers and sisters. Praying daily for the conversion of the whole world to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church God bless you 🙏
No Protestant can tell me exactly what traditions are being spoken of in 2 Thessalonians that writer said we should hold fast to. People seem to think the Bible covers every little detail about the church and how it was organized but they’re wrong. I’m leaning more toward orthodoxy or Catholic myself lately….
To be fair, at the time Thessalonians was written all three branches of Christianity would have agreed with each other. Almost all Protestant denominations agree with the church councils through 500 AD. Orthodox Christians lasted a little longer. 1054. In some ways Protestants agree with Catholics more than orthodox Christians. For example the filoque clause.
@@greg3412 Martin Luther started the Protestant movement and he lived in the 15th century. There were no Protestants in the 500’s. There were Catholics and heretical leaders like Arius though but what they taught was rejected by the church and they died horrible deaths
God bless you Sam, you're doing Gods work brother. You helped convert me. I would love to see you in a live debate on a big stage. The world needs to see the truth.
When Apostle Paul says ALL scripture is beneficial, does not mean ONLY the scripture is beneficial... Also at that time he was referring to the old testament!
@@HAL9000-su1mzexactly, this is the cannon dilemma for Protestant. They have to resort to another rule of faith, ie “the church” to let them know what constitutes as scripture. Sola scriptora at its roots is circular reasoning
The Sola Scriptura is of course the source of God's and Jesus's teaching! Our church should be based on the doctrine of faith and works important for our soul salvation!
So if I understand, the Church that Paul talks of in which the Early Church Fathers, the Apostolic Fathers who through Apostolic succession firmly established the Church. The Protestant may think the Holy Spirit raised Calvin, Luther Knox etc to correct the wrong of the Catholic Church and thus breakaway instead of contesting for the Faith. My rebuttal to that premise is from my understanding did most of the Reformers reject the Early Church Fathers? Thus rejecting the authority of the Apostolic Fathers as well, in which St. Paul places through the Holy Spirit apostolic succession?
@@majorcajun5524so what? Martin Luther excommunicated hisself from the Catholic Priesthood therefore has no authority? GOD did tell Luther to separate from THE CHURCH that was established thru the Chief Apostle Peter? The Twelve nor anyone of the seventy two disciples cast any lot on Martin Luther! You have no way around this. There was no Lutherans present at Pentecost!
A sincere question. Considering that in Acts, the act of apostolic succession is shown and in Matthew it says the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. What is the argument for following Bible interpretation and or doctrine by those who are not in apostolic succession? I just don’t see the justification in it and that’s why I remain Catholic. I’m just curious what’s the argument to the contrary so I can understand Protestants.
Yeah. Thats how i view it. Im looking into Catholicism, and the idea of an infallible authority or interpreter makes more sense than just Solo Scriptura. The 30,000+ denominations doesnt help the Protestant case.
All teachers, as did Paul, must consult with the appointed authorities (today also the catechism) to ensure that they teach truth and not error. 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."
Jesus was referring to the truth of what Peter said. That Jesus is the Christ, that he is God. The church will endure as long as Christ is Lord. The Rock is not the person speaking it’s what he said about Christ that is the Rock. It’s that truth that will never be prevailed again. Make no mistake the Lord Jesus is the churches foundation. Exactly as Peter said in the verse.
Ever since I believed that Jesus Christ has established long before since Peter is declared Rock the Church He had established will not perish. Thank you Lord
The modern protestant idea of "sola scriptura" is false. What it does mean is that when the church violates God's Word with its actions, the church is not somehow exempt from sin.
The Church is Christ’s bride which is pure. It is those in the church who sin. Don’t mix up both things. A magisterium is filled with sinners but the truth they protect is kept pure by the assistance of the Holy Spirit. And that is a promise made by Christ. Or is he lying?
Does anyone today realize that Christ is the WORD made flesh, who 'might even be' superior to the scriptures? The Way, the Truth and the Life is NOT the bible. The bible speaks of Christ Who is the Way (John 14:5-6), the Spirit who is the Truth (John 15:26) and the Father who is Life (John 5:26).
@@517hectorhernandez The Bibel will teaches you: „Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.“ 1 Thessalonians 5:14 KJV
@@EinfachParanoid So you want him to say all that while he is teaching? Lol I can't wait to see your channel and how you deal with people while under fire.
Consider Paul wrote the scripture .. he said heard from ME=paul=scripture. twisting scripture to fit a narrative is clever but not necessary. Thx 🙏 love Sam tho.
@@gregoryderosa8045 2 Timothy 1:13, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." You are assuming all that Paul spoke and wrote is contained in the letters written by Paul in the New Testament. You have no grounds for this assumption. You have no grounds to assume Paul always taught only what we have in the New Testament today and that we have everything he ever penned in his life. 2 Thessalonians 2:15, "So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter." Here again if you want Paul to equal Scripture you have to assume all that Paul spoke to them is contained in his letters which have been canonized. You are not exegeting Scripture, you are eisegeting it. Paul wrote, "...that you have heard from me..." and you are inserting your own words, "...that you have heard from me, and all that you have heard from me is contained in my letters which will be canonized in the New Testament, ..." Please don't twist scripture.
@@gregoryderosa8045His writings are in the Bible because the Catholic Church recognized those writings are perfectly inline with the full deposit of faith preserved through Apostolic succession and tradition
How can you say that consider the dogma of Mary as the the new ark of the covenant,plus her perpetual virginity and untainted with original sin and now assumed to heaven.
So what . You were never present Pentecost and thus no Paraclete is above your head and you cannot speak as one with GOD like the Twelve whom JESUS handpicked. No demon is afraid of you and you cannot heal anyone! So modern day sperm and egg if creation who are you non chosen?
Do you know why? Because maybe you are a mo!on or something close to a mo!on. You really think that the Church sleept for 1500 years and got everything wrong until your savior Martin Luther came and showed us all the real truth? Do you really think Jesus Christ would let something like that happend? Do you really think Jesus would let all people who lived from year 33AD-1500AD live in that lie? Come on wake up and use your brain man.
They dont marry because they are imatating Christ who didnt marry either like Christ is married to the Church likewise those appointed, now there is exceptions but thats few and far between plus in heaven we are neither married or given to marrage but are like angels. Mt 22:30
This question comes from understanding verses in isolation out of context. 1 Corinthians 7:1: "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: 'It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.'" 1 Corinthians 7:7-8: "I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am." 1 Corinthians 7:32-34: "I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided."
What is Sam's position on the "infallibility" of the Pope or the sacraments of the Holy Mass, which resembles the repeated crucifixion of Jesus and is therefore unbiblical?
You clearly know nothing about the Eucharist. Does an altar imply sacrifice? "We have an altar which those of the synagogue have no right to partake." - Hebrews
@@EinfachParanoid I’m an Orthodox Inquirer, not Catholic. The Eucharist is a sacrifice in the sense that it commemorates Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. It is also a sacrifice of thanksgiving, and for the remission of sins. Would you care to address the point from Hebrews 13? Paul says that the Jews cannot “eat” from the altar. Would you care to tell me what is on the altar that can be eaten?
@@EinfachParanoid Orthodox, not Catholic. Participation in the sacraments Christ and the apostles instituted, confession before Christ, repentance which Christ constantly tells us to practice, prayer which He exhorts us to do, etc.
Do you Catholics really want to win a fight about if God can disagree with himself? If tradition or church teaches anything that is outside of what had already taught by God is the church wrong or is God? Why do you even want to disagree with this. Does your god not remember what he already said? My God is all knowing. My God is completely sovereign. I’m not scared to say my God because God is God just as described in the Bible. If your god can be subplanted by your leader then your god obviously isn’t all knowing. And he’s not sovereign. My point is that God will not disagree with himself ever. If you don’t like it take it up with God. I’m curious when your church suddenly decides Mary has something to do with redemption and the Bible says that it was Jesus who died and was resurrected, who is wrong? If your church suddenly decides that the apostles and others are those we should pray to, when Jesus is the only mediator between God and Man? Who gets to be correct and who do you think is right? When your guy disagrees with the Bible, who are you going to choose, in your mind who is right. I didn’t say God doesn’t give us leaders and teachers. I didn’t say the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak to us but I did say if anyone disagrees with the Bible only God is right.
WHEREVER a body of believers is gathered... that is where the Chuch is. Don't seek out many man made doctrines and ordinances that were formed FROM SCRIPTURE.. but rather first Seek out the truth of the scripture that THEY WERE FORMED FROM. Then you shall validate them. Then you find the truth and wisdom. Not the snowball of doctrine that came from them. Don't let ANY MAN imprison your faith. All that is needed for salvation is Christ alone. For the mystery is that Christ is in You.
Incorrect. You have no Eucharist Protestant! Wow modern day arrogance. Do you really think modern person who was never present to see and hear JESUS nor the Twelve nor any of the Prophets now have more knowledge than any born before your sperm and egg if creation. Please share with us which Angel visited you and placed the firey coal from heaven upon your lips. Isiah was recorded in history to have that event. Your name does not show up written anywhere!
At the time of Timothy, the Scriptures were also not complete. So this argument is also inadequate. But from today's perspective, do we need more than the Bible, more than Sola Scriptura? The traditions of all denominations are partly unbiblical, and unfortunately also some writings of many "infallible" popes. We can only rely on the Bible.
Tim Boslice980 is a typical rebel. The Bible is simply the exclusive authoritative Word of God that is the source of realistic understanding of the spirit and religious truth. All else is only soundly originating in the Bible. Contradictions are violating the truth. That's why the Scripture is the only foundation of religious truth.
This does not look like a doctrine, but as a wordy justification and defense of Catholics/Orthodox, their adaptability and perversion of the teachings of Christ and the apostles in favor of a secular way of life after the merger of church and state (read the history). To do this, as a rule, texts are assigned a convenient meaning that is not found in the Bible. Sam doesn't understand what exactly the Protestants were protesting against. I am so sorry.
Does the Catholic church teach to be born again and the salvation passages I only first heard outside the Catholic church? I was kept in a constant state of feeling I was going to hell and never knew I could be saved while in the church. They never showed the passages and since they read them to you for you to hear them, you would never learn them unless you sought it. I did give them a chance to answer my question and asked and no one had an answer.
Of course the Catholic Churrch teaches born again. It refers to it as 'Born again of water and Spirit.' (John 3:5) All scripture comes through the Catholic Church. You should feel at least as confident of your salvation inside Catholicism as outside. Protestants aren't *actually* 100% confident in their salvation: any time you see someone that falls away from Christianity, the Protestant can say "they weren't really saved." If someone has the appearances of salvation, but "wasn't really saved," then how can you know *you* are really saved? That said, don't live in a state of fear that your salvation will be lost. If you aren't confident of your state, get to confession! Jesus speaks through the priest to absolve your sins! You will be absolved of your sin! That is the greatest assurance of salvation you can have. Keep your trust in Jesus and the ways He has given to stay close to Him. Trust Him! Trust His Church! That's why He left it here for us!
@@JoeLandrigan The New Testament was written by Jews and Greeks who did not consider themselves to a „catholic church“. The grace of God is a gift from the Lord. Only those who carry the Holy Spirit within them attain eternal life. By the fruits of the Holy Spirit and faith in Jesus Christ, you can recognize that you have been filled by Him.
@@JoeLandrigan A person does not need a mediator for a relationship with God and certainly not for forgiveness. Only God alone can forgive sins. This requires faith in the Lord, repentance and conversion. But a man cannot do it on his own. For this, man needs the Lord's help. Another person can help you to arrive at this truth, but cannot bring about anything.
Hey. Former Catholic here. Although anecdotal, I can say the Catholic Church I grew up in didn’t. They were selective in their readings of the Gospels and NT as a whole, only reading the soft sayings of Christ, but never giving all of what He said, including the hard sayings (i.e., Hell, Judgement Day, repentance, etc.). When I opened the Bible and read the NT, I was confronted by the enormity of what it meant to sin against a Holy God, one who was just, good and righteous. When I read in Revelation that liars had their place in the lake of fire, and that the immoral will not inherit the kingdom, I was confronted by realities that showed sin to be exceedingly sinful. I then, by the grace of the Living God, saw my need of Christ as the only means of salvation, through his death, burial and resurrection, which was foretold by the document the CC also never preached from: the Old Testament. It was the evangelical circles with a high view of the Old & New Testament that set forth the message of the gospel and what it meant to be a follower of Christ that, to this day, I’m yet to hear from a Catholic environment. Humbly ask God to show you the truth and read the Bible for yourself. His Word will set you free.
@@EinfachParanoid The Canonical Books of the new testament was selected and enumerated in 380 AD at the Council of Rome under the Authority of POPE DAMASUS
HI Sam. I love your work. You do great things! I've seen how you convert Muslims to Christianity. May God help you keep doing good. However, please stay on topic as this divides people. Please, please, work on your delivery. Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura. I'm LCMS. Even my Catholic friends know there was a dark time in history when the Pope was selling indulgences. It is by grace we are saved through faith, not by works. We are only human, and Luther pointed this out at a very important time in history when the church leaders totally went off the rails and needed to be reformed, but the pope did not want to listen. The hierarchical system itself provided by God is great, as it provides a structural framework for intelligent thought and trained clergy. That is a fair point. This is the work of the holy spirit. However, even the Mormon church also has bishops from what I understand, so this almost rant is off topic. The 95 Thesis was well deserved outcry at that moment in time. We are all human, including the pope. This mention of the dark times is nothing more than the cycle of sin talked about over and over in the old testament. It can even happen within the church, hence our contestant need to look upward instead of inward. I pray that you do not focus on divisions. Focus on spreading the good news and the Trinity. Please even consider taking this down. Thanks be to God. I pray for your family's safety as you are on the front lines. Keep it up!!
Oh but God did command a tent be built for Him and then a temple. So He is not against having a building where He can dwell. As in the Tabernacle in is Orthodox or Catholic Church.
@atgred Never said nothing against it. All I said was the church is the people that make up the congregation? It's not a building. Just like Jesus never taught religion or Christianity he taught having a Relationship with God through himself
@harleymann2086 Show me one verse where Christ said the church was made of sticks and stones or wooden stones or mortar and stones or made of anything. There's no such chapter. There's no such verse, the chapters. Aninverses that you pointed out aren't talking of a building. They're talking about the body, the people the congregation. The followers of Christ.
@harleymann2086 Say you forget one verse. Jesus said tear down the church and he would build it back in 3 days. What church was tore down and built back in 3 days. There was only one that was his body. His body was the church. Meaning our bodies are the church and the foundation of the church is our faith in Christ.
@harleymann2086 Jesus. Did not below on his body was the body that was resurrected the church. Now when we repent. Put our faith in Christ and get baptized by water And spirit than our bodies are resurrected by the spirit from a dead body to a living body. So the authority lays with the spirit, not the man. The spirit has God's authority. man does nothing on His own accord. he does the father's will. And that will is relayed through the spirit. Show me one passage of someone doing a miracle without the spirit. Casting out a demon without the spirit. The spirit gives you the power to do these things. The spirit was given authority to give us the power to do these things.
Well the first apostolic councils would’ve had solar scriptura because the first councils was to enact sacraments and traditions that was to be looked with the Bible before exalting it as a commandment Church council: enact sacraments proven from Bible with explaining certain Bible verses But holding onto sacraments as a major rather than the Bible you lose the motivation for the Bible (not everyone) since church history is cherished more Be very wary on what you focus on for your faith
And you don't do this in love at all, you keep calling people idiots and fools and stupid, I say that in the back of my mind but I don't tell people that because that's not showing the love of God and I have to keep reminding myself that as well. When you preach the gospel you got to do it with love, not with insults. I can't say too much about that because I have done it but I am learning how to tame that even in myself, but I don't say that to them but I think it. And I say it out loud to myself. And that I know I got to stop doing.
Sounds like you have hadiths to me Sam, violating the warnings in the Bible with your verse hopscotch games won't save you. "These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." - Matthew 15:8-9
Well, see in 1st Timothy he says those things which you had heard from me. Paul got his understanding from Jesus Christ himself. And there's many doctrines that are being taught in the Roman Catholic church and in the Orthodox church, that are completely false. How do I know because in Galatians chapter 1, Paul is writing to the Galatians saying that I see that you basically have fallen back away from the word which you have learned from me. Because he had taught them the gospel. And if anyone comes preaching a different gospel other than what we preach may he be a cursed and he said that twice. One of the things that they were still doing is worshiping their false gods. Carrying into pagan tradition. Traditions of men. That's why the Bible tells us not to give heed to traditions of men. Idol worship. Was huge in the pagan Church. During the time of Constantine who was the high priest of the pagan church, when he converted to Christianity brought the two religious systems together which now you have the Roman Catholic Church that brings in pagan traditions and pagan beliefs. Constantine changed all the names of the pagan gods to Christian names such as Jupiter to peter, isis to Mary. Mary worship didn't come into the Roman Catholic Church until 431 ad. That's never taught in Scripture. Matter of fact Jesus gave a model for prayer he says when you pray, our Father which art in heaven hallowed be thy name. He did not teach to say our mother Queen of heaven who art in heaven hallowed be thy name. He did not teach the same hail Mary full of grace hallowed be thy name. Jesus Christ gives us a direct link to the father through the son.
The problem is scripture is the standard used by Christ himself and the apostles.Not traditions preserved by reliable men and a look at the history of the Catholic church one can easily see some of these men did not always obey the spirit. There is an article in the independent about "the 7 wicked popes and the things they did". Are these included in the reliable men? Then how did they end p leading the church? And what about the church protecting child abusers? Is this the result of following the spirit? Again of coarse not and I am not trying to single out Catholics for what Protestants have also done. The fact is some not all of both have disobeyed the spirit ad corrupt individuals have ended up in leadership, which is why we pt or faith in Jesus. He is the incorruptible head of the church. bot men as mach as God works with imperfect men. And what about the contradictory statements made by popes some saying unless you are a Roman Catholic and obey the Pope you are outside of salvation, only to apparently have that reversed in the mid 1900s. So where does that leave the prior popes edicts claiming those who didn't obey them were not saved? Then we get one pope claiming Luther was right? Wait what? Wasn't he branded a heretic? And then others rush to clarify the pope didn't mean what he said, what a confusing mess of contradictions. So are we to believe this confusion is a result of the Holy Spirit guiding them? Of course not.These people as mach as they can be generally good or well intentioned can still make mistakes. Even John in Revelation who we think should have known better made the mistake and fell down to worship at the feet of an angel, who corrected him and told him not to do that and declared he was just a fellow servant revelations 22:8 So we see Christians following God can still make errors which is why God used the scripture to correct us. Paul seed that same standard for correction. Not the instructions of good men trusted to good men as much as they can be beneficial. Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed'. It is scripture that is the standard not oral traditions which we have no way of knowing their accuracy. I'm not even suggesting Sola Scripture. Of course God speaks to us through teachers, evangelists and leaders as well as guides us through our own conscience, I am suggesting however scripture was the standard to which we must compare all teachings and instruction we receive. Jesus said to the religious leaders of his day "you do err not knowing the scriptures' not traditions. Mathew 22:29 He also told them they made the word of God of no effect with their traditions Mark 7:13. Do we not run the same risk when we exalt traditions over God's holy word?
For real? Is that why Jesus celebrated Hannukah? And since Hannukah only appears in Maccabees its not scripture, so you are trapper in between accepting that you don't have the right canon of scripture (which defeats sola scriptura) or that Jesus himself did celebrate Hannukah which is only tradition of men according to you (which defeats sola scriptura).
@@diego1590 If you had read my post in it's entirety you would have read that I am not suggesting sola scriptura as God obviously speaks to us in multiple methods, including our conscience, preachers, teachers, those he placed in the church, and brothers and sisters, however it is the scripture that Jesus and the apostles used as the authority, not tradition. Jesus said you do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God Mathew 22:29. He did not say you do err not knowing traditions. The scripture teaches all scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 Timothy 3:16 It does not make the same claim about all traditions. Jesus also warned the religious leaders of his day that they made the word of God of no effect with their traditions. Mark 7:13 We an argue all day about which books should have been included in the cannon. Protestants have numerous reasons. Some of those reasons can be found by researching this title. "Why Were the Books of the Old Testament Apocrypha Rejected as Holy Scripture by the Protestants?"
Sam said "What got me to take the early church seriously is my commitment and love of scripture and knowing that when Jesus promises something in scripture, that is a promise that's true because the Jesus of scripture is the Jesus of history....when I saw his promise to be guiding the church until he returns... church fathers (Bishops) who were the ones by the spirit safeguarging the truth against heretics and then seeing what they believe..." And yet Sam and all Catholics reject Polycarp 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ Passover to be observed on Nisan 14…..Polycarp went so far as to refuse to accept the popes change of date as did all the eastern churches until they were more or less forced to in the mid 300’s with the threat of excommunication
What in HELL are you talking about? "Polycarp is regarded as a saint and Church Father in the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches, Lutheranism, and Anglicanism."
@nikopaschali Saints and church fathers are not infallible. They are love because of their Holy lives and commitment to the teachings which are helpful. Some of their positions may not be taken however their contribution to the body of Christ is respected provided they die in communion with the church
I have family who are Catholics but you shouldn’t pray or have saint statues or call anyone father but your father in heaven I can go on . people just need to Stop being proud of being Catholic and start dying to themselves for Jesus . I’m tired of this 50/50 on God . Listen to the Bible
Listen TO THE CHURCH. Know that is Biblical (Mt. 18:17). The Church founded by Christ ON THE AUTHORITY OF THE APOSTLES (Mt. 16:18, 18:18). Will you pray for me? But better not because then I am “worshipping” you! Is your dad your father? Better not call him that because you may “offend” God, as Christ called Abraham father!! No images, no statutes? Better not have money in your pocket because it has images!! Oh but Ex. 20:3 says it images of OTHER GODS! You see how ridiculous you sound?
the disciples didn't write their accounts till years after Christ ascension because they thought Christ would return in their lifetime, and even then, there was no canon for 100s of years after they died. so, tradition always came first.
@@onecrispynugget9959 the problem is that everyone reads the text and puts their own interpretation. So you end up 20 million different beliefs. You guys cant agree on things like baptism, salvation.
@@christisking970 it is unfortunate that people misinterpret scripture. What is awesome about scripture, though, is that there are so many layers to just about every single verse, and scripture is used to correct and reprove our human foolishness. We have to read it for what it is, and take it into correct context. The Bible is very clear and direct but also sometimes difficult to understand. This is why we must study it through the Lord and with correct hermeneutics.
Plus Jesus never taught religion or Christianity he taught having a Relationship with God through himself. True Christianity was originally a following not a religion
Thats absolutely retarded, Jesus established his ministry in life and that ministry followed through the apostles, those apostles who had received authority from Jesus themselves gave that authority to other men who even scripture considers apostles like Timothy, Titus and others.
I thought Sam was neutral for a long time. But we know the tree by its fruits. Anger, rage and hatred are not fruits of the Holy Spirit. The seemingly blind loyalty to the Catholic Church makes him seem blind to the truth.
I like the way he calls out people who play ignorant 😂 i was stupid too once a long time ago 😅 now i am a Catholic and the only anger i have is towards anyone who is against the one true Church
@onecrispynugget9959 Faith without works is Dead. Anyone who doesn't partake of the new covenant has no life with in them. Demons also believe but do not do the will of God. They came out of us but they were never really apart of us because if they were they would have never left. All of that sounds alot like protestants
Sam, you are knowledgeable but come off as very very ARROGANT AND CONDESCENDING!!! It is Jesus who saves us, not ritual and tradition!! Did the thief on the cross be next to Christ need these things, NO! Our Lord said, "Today you will be with me in paradise.". It's all about Jesus. I pray you focus on that and not these Catholic vs Protestant issues. I am happy you have a new found conviction on Catholicism, but there is no need for you to belittle and berate others in the body of Christ with your superior attitude. It's not Christ-like!! Also, just as the Jews in Jesus' day perverted the scriptures handed down to them, so has the Catholic Church perverted what was initially taught to them.
Please read your own comment & see your arrogance & ignorance! The Bible that you claim to have now handed down to you through great sacrifice from this Church but you have the audacity to accuse them of perversion!
@@ApologeticsCut-ec2bp Sam, first, again with your attitude. REALLY! Just because I have a different viewpoint? Why do you get so upset? Second you miss my point. Forgive me for saying perverted, I meant no disrespect.The Jews in Jesus day were following traditions and interpretations handed down to them and how did Jesus react to them. He had the hardest criticism. They got things wrong and missed the mark. Those were passed down with great sacrifice as well. All I am saying is that I don't trust a lot of what has been passed down. We know the church did many evil things in it's history. The church is still run by fallen people. The church lost its Jewish roots a long time ago and early in its history became mostly gentile. There was an antisemitism expressed by early church fathers. They became "arrogant" if you will, with their superiority over them since they were scattered and crucified Christ. I am saying again that I am happy that you have a new found love for the church traditions, as the Jews have for theirs, but just allow with grace others who come at things with a different perspective. These issues are not what saves us, so I don't know why people even spend time on it. Let's worship and love and honor Yeshua Hamashiach, our Lord and God. Let's focus on Him and His sacrifice as our passover lamb, as a family in love with our God. No need for sibling rivalries. That's all I am saying. Man will fail us, Jesus never will. Keep lifting Him up and reaching the lost sheep of the original fold, and the other fold of the gentiles, who by God's grace have been grafted into the Jewish tree. God has not forgotten the Jewish people, they are His historic time table.
Are you on a cross dying for your own actions, it was an extreme situation, you are not in an extreme situation such as the theifs, you can act you can get baptized, you can learn, you can take communion. Dont use extreme situations for yourself because you arent in one.
@@ApologeticsCut-ec2bpSam!!! Get real!!! The catholic church did not start the Christian church!!! The Catholic church did not start until about 300 A.D.,under Constantine!!!! The scriptures were passed down from the Jews and Paul and others were the original Christian church,following on from Jesus message of salvation. So,Paul,a Jewish man,was one of the first born again Jews/ Christians to have existed. The Christian ( true) Christian church,could have been said to start at Pentecost,when God sent His Holy Spirit in the upper room to the early believers 300 years before the start of the first "Holy" Roman emperor. No mention in the Torah about confessional boxes,"purgatory" ,because it doesn"t exist,there is only heaven and hell,praying to the Virgin Mary,although she was used as God's vessel,but she was certainly not sinless. What do the scripures say: Pray to God the Father,Jesus the Son and God,the Holy Spirit. Jesus did actually say to his mother when praying in the synagogue: Woman,did you not know that I go about my Fathers business,indicating that He put His Father above any earthly woman I bet catholics do not like this out,because it denies that man should ONLY pray to a triune God,by the Father,through the Son and with the guidance of His Holy Spirit. I wiil find the scripture which says that the true believers arae INWARDLY JEWS,as partakers of a much better covenant.This includes any Jew who accepts the Messiah as their Lord and Saviour Jews and Gentiles who do not accept Him will unfortunately go to a lost eternity...
Sam...follow Jesus and ignore the different brands...if it ain't labelled in the bible it ain't gonna stand up when questioned...you're opening the door needlessly
@@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 the Jews never had it in their canon and Christ never came with a message that more Old Testament stories belonged in the Old Testament; it’s kind of weird that our Savior didn’t say anything about it🤷♂️
@onecrispynugget9959 1) so Jews decide what belongs in the old testament? since when did Jews determine the old testament for Christians? Even if you go that route, there were three groups of Jews with three different canons, so what made you decide that 39 books are correct while not just the first 5 books who have the smallest. 2) congregations, Jesus Christ never quoted the song of Solomon nor any other 23 books of the new testament. This is why sola scriptura was created by Satan.
Pentecost proves no Protestants was present not was ever chosen. However , which church was spared during the fires in Maui? You are too young to think you could ever compete against Ignatius of Antioch or Thomas Aquinas or Padre Pio!
@@onecrispynugget9959Sure, let’s use the current Pope as an example. He does borderline heretical things but has never been able to change anything deemed to be dogmatic. That’s the Holy Spirit intervening in Catholic tradition and belief.
Funny how you say you have the Spirit yet you talk in the flesh, also funny how you use the term the Spirit this and that , it you’ve jumped through 5 denominations and you would use scripture to try to prove you point all the time…. Just shows how easy man can contradict the Bible and make say what they want ,….
Pentecost established the CHURCH and there was no Protestants ever selected nor chosen at that time. There was no Protestants present at the ascension. None of the twelve casted lots on any Protestants!
Come on guys weres the thumbs up sam is doing the lords work its the least we can do come on
Most are probably just asking questions doesnt mean they accept or support
this isnt his channel
@@Your_Daily_Scroll and? The word is spread when he gets banned
Is he banned? Or I saw he got 2 warning after fake muslim got him reported. Hope YT didn't banned him
@@YeshuaAkbar-u3f he goes through it a lot
my whole Protestantism went to hell
Why so many divisions? So many egos. Each a pope.
This comment is not a summary of the video, it is a note of the passages that appear in the video, to refresh my memory and that of others who have watched the video and have not taken the necessary notes:
Starting point 2 tim 3:14-17
2 tim 1:13-14; 2: 1-2
1 tim 3:14-15 (min 23:56 main argument),
read the entire passage 1 tim 3 if necessary
Acts 20:17,27-32
God bless us and reunite us very soon
Sola scriptura is just an excuse to make the bible say what you want
Scripture is the inspired writings of early church disciples and leaders who were closest to our Lord. The early church Fathers clearly appealed to these writings in scripture in a manner that made them superior to other writings. So the writings of Paul are superior to the writings of St Justin, St Athanasius etc. with both writings you will need an interpreter whether you cite Athanasius or Paul. At the end of the day the individual must come to understand these writings enough to accept the atonement of Christ and the other core doctrines. What are the core doctrines is another discussion but several can be ascertained.
@@greg3412 I don’t dispute the importance of scripture, its perfection, or it’s ability to teach and save all on it’s own. What i dispute is the doctrine itself that only the bible can do these things. That only the bible is the word of god, that only the bible is an infallible authority. Scripture itself refutes all these claims, and the only way to ignore those teachings from scripture is to interpret the passages so that they don’t mean what they say.
Martin Luther did not submit to his elders. He thought they were wrong about scripture so he took it upon himself to found a new church. Nowhere in scripture does it say to do this. Scripture says that Jesus will always be with his church so in order for Martin Luther’s church and Jesus’ church to both have him with them, they reinterpreted those passages. Luther rejected the book of James, revelation, and several others because in his mind, the scriptures contradicted HIS interpretation of St Paul. Luther also disregarded St Peter’s warnings that St Paul’s letters can be twisted. Luther went as far as adding the word “alone” to the bible when it said we are saved by faith.
I don’t think all protestants hold Luther up as the model christian or anything but they should look at him as a cautionary tale. What happens when you ignore and self interpret scripture to make your theology work? Scripture says do not lean on your own understanding, SS is impossible without that so that passage gets ignored. No prophecy of scripture ever came from ones own interpretation. Protestants ignore the dis on private interpretation and say he just means to make prophecies. Again, reinterpretation to suit theology. Scripture says and if he will not listen to the church let him be as a gentile and tax collector. If your church doesnt agree with your interpretation, you just start your own church like Luther or find one that already agrees with you? Again scripture warns against this…. That in later times they will seek teachers that will tell them only what they want to hear.
Another massive red flag from scripture…. Over and over again but protestants ignore them. Without private interpretation, you lose all authority so they cant give it up. The catholic submits to the church, anyone who even takes a peek at christian history can see it was always catholic. Once i realized that there is no point at which the church was taken over by some rogue group of heretics and i read up on the Syro Malabar catholic church, it’s impossible to think the catholic church corrupted christianity. Also matthew 16 totally makes it impossible for that to even happen. Yet another passage that is gibberish to prots. Along with John 6, Romans 2, James 2, matthew 25 etc….
@@timboslice980 you have brought up many straw men. But before I bring them up it’s also true Protestants also create straw men when arguing against the Catholic Church. With that said, your straw man is the idea that Protestants do not accept the interpretations of church Fathers and push for the individual interpretation of scripture. This is untrue and is not sola scriptura. Sola scriptura does not preclude believers from appealing to the writings of the saints. Sola scriptura holds that the writings of the disciples who were the earliest church fathers were inspired by God and are therefore infallible. The Bible verses you cite concerning authority from the Church are not claiming that later church declarations are infallible in fact scriptures tells you to hear it out but make sure it lines up with scripture. Timothy 2. The interesting thing is that the Catholic Church seems to have applied sola scriptura throughout the years in order to reform itself. For example during the time of Luther his biggest issue was with the paid indulgences. Clearly the scripture called out to the church over time and no longer do any Catholics believe that paid indulgences were in line with the teachings of Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:14-17
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it [15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. [16] All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, [17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
You compare what you learn in tradition to the scripture. Not the other way around.
@@timboslice980 your comments towards Luther are false. Without him we might still be without translated bibles. You see Luther never set out to start a new church he wanted to reform the current church who had made it illegal for common people to own bibles and even if they had one they wouldn’t be able to read Latin Anyways. The church didn’t allow circulation of the scriptures probably because they know it would expose them. Anyways Luther decided to translate the Latin text into German while doing so he realize the errors in Catholic doctrine. He nailed a list of the things he felt needed to be “reformed” to the door of the church and those actions are what led to him being burnt at the stake like every other person who ever questioned the church. I’m not sure if people choose to ignore the horrible actions of the church or are just willingly ignorant because one day of research would expose to you all the atrocities of the Catholic Church. The church boasts of her authority of scripture and the catechism clearly states that church tradition is over scripture. Jesus told the Pharisees many times they they make the commandments null and void by keeping the traditions of men.
No sola Scriptura is just a excuse to belive in ALL the lies of the church.
I love my Protestant brothers and sisters. Praying daily for the conversion of the whole world to the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church God bless you 🙏
No Protestant can tell me exactly what traditions are being spoken of in 2 Thessalonians that writer said we should hold fast to.
People seem to think the Bible covers every little detail about the church and how it was organized but they’re wrong.
I’m leaning more toward orthodoxy or Catholic myself lately….
Me too really looking into the Catholic faith coming from Baptist/reformed background
To be fair, at the time Thessalonians was written all three branches of Christianity would have agreed with each other. Almost all Protestant denominations agree with the church councils through 500 AD. Orthodox Christians lasted a little longer. 1054. In some ways Protestants agree with Catholics more than orthodox Christians. For example the filoque clause.
@@greg3412 Martin Luther started the Protestant movement and he lived in the 15th century. There were no Protestants in the 500’s. There were Catholics and heretical leaders like Arius though but what they taught was rejected by the church and they died horrible deaths
It does. Cmon man
If only the catholic church and the protestant churches did that.
God bless you Sam, you're doing Gods work brother. You helped convert me. I would love to see you in a live debate on a big stage. The world needs to see the truth.
Thanks for this! I’ve been digging into this the last couple months and came to similar conclusions, but appreciate the depth!
Thank you for doing God’s work, Sam.❤
When Apostle Paul says ALL scripture is beneficial, does not mean ONLY the scripture is beneficial... Also at that time he was referring to the old testament!
"Scripture" is nowhere defined in scripture.
@@HAL9000-su1mzexactly, this is the cannon dilemma for Protestant. They have to resort to another rule of faith, ie “the church” to let them know what constitutes as scripture. Sola scriptora at its roots is circular reasoning
@@dualtags4486 Protestantism was founded on the human ego. It exploits scripture and pays lip service to Christ, but is otherwise pure ego.
@@HAL9000-su1mzProtestantism is not built on ego
@@DarcyTheManstop Why are there too many versions to count?
“Timothy you have heard what Paul has told you in front of witnesses. What you have heard the Holy Spirit will safeguard it for you to pass it on.”
May the lord Jesus Christ bless you brother Sam and your family
Voice of Reason packed up Dr James White already
Yeah voice of reason was infallible in that debate
All praise and glory be on to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth for we are all brothers and sisters alive in the same body of Christ ☦️🙏
“God has raised up Bishops and Deacons.”
“Hold fast to the pattern of sound words that you have heard from me.”
Thank You kind sir ❤ I actually never had a doubt and knew sola scriptura is nonsense but it is so great to hear it outright.
Thank you for this!
Really appreciate this video.
He can make the rocks cry out.
What??? No man is God,apart from Jesus??
Worshio God,not man.
He may make some good points,but he is far from infallible....
May the lord Jesus Christ give you patience with these people
You’d think they would have written down literally everything they heard so there could be no dispute.
Safeguard and preserve the things you have heard orally. John 6.
The Sola Scriptura is of course the source of God's and Jesus's teaching! Our church should be based on the doctrine of faith and works important for our soul salvation!
So if I understand, the Church that Paul talks of in which the Early Church Fathers, the Apostolic Fathers who through Apostolic succession firmly established the Church. The Protestant may think the Holy Spirit raised Calvin, Luther Knox etc to correct the wrong of the Catholic Church and thus breakaway instead of contesting for the Faith. My rebuttal to that premise is from my understanding did most of the Reformers reject the Early Church Fathers? Thus rejecting the authority of the Apostolic Fathers as well, in which St. Paul places through the Holy Spirit apostolic succession?
Good question. In my limited research it also seems that Luther affirmed the Eucharist.
@@majorcajun5524so what? Martin Luther excommunicated hisself from the Catholic Priesthood therefore has no authority? GOD did tell Luther to separate from THE CHURCH that was established thru the Chief Apostle Peter? The Twelve nor anyone of the seventy two disciples cast any lot on Martin Luther! You have no way around this. There was no Lutherans present at Pentecost!
Have you had this conversation with David or Alex?
A sincere question. Considering that in Acts, the act of apostolic succession is shown and in Matthew it says the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. What is the argument for following Bible interpretation and or doctrine by those who are not in apostolic succession? I just don’t see the justification in it and that’s why I remain Catholic. I’m just curious what’s the argument to the contrary so I can understand Protestants.
Yeah. Thats how i view it. Im looking into Catholicism, and the idea of an infallible authority or interpreter makes more sense than just Solo Scriptura. The 30,000+ denominations doesnt help the Protestant case.
All teachers, as did Paul, must consult with the appointed authorities (today also the catechism) to ensure that they teach truth and not error. 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."
Jesus was referring to the truth of what Peter said. That Jesus is the Christ, that he is God. The church will endure as long as Christ is Lord. The Rock is not the person speaking it’s what he said about Christ that is the Rock. It’s that truth that will never be prevailed again. Make no mistake the Lord Jesus is the churches foundation. Exactly as Peter said in the verse.
@@DannyFitzpatrick-c8v You were there?!?!?!?! 😳
@@DannyFitzpatrick-c8v Man-made twist of reality to fit a man-made agenda.
Ever since I believed that Jesus Christ has established long before since Peter is declared Rock the Church He had established will not perish. Thank you Lord
The modern protestant idea of "sola scriptura" is false. What it does mean is that when the church violates God's Word with its actions, the church is not somehow exempt from sin.
The Church is Christ’s bride which is pure. It is those in the church who sin. Don’t mix up both things. A magisterium is filled with sinners but the truth they protect is kept pure by the assistance of the Holy Spirit. And that is a promise made by Christ. Or is he lying?
Amen brother
1 Tim 3:15....The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth....but imagine if the passage actually said...The Scriptures are the pillar etc....
Does anyone today realize that Christ is the WORD made flesh, who 'might even be' superior to the scriptures? The Way, the Truth and the Life is NOT the bible. The bible speaks of Christ Who is the Way (John 14:5-6), the Spirit who is the Truth (John 15:26) and the Father who is Life (John 5:26).
How dare to call any criticism a manifestation of a demon. This is a current Catholic move.
Was he right or wrong? If so, why?
No, it is not the right response to criticism. Unfortunately, it is also not an isolated case.
@@EinfachParanoid what is the right response? Teach us
@@517hectorhernandez The Bibel will teaches you: „Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.“
1 Thessalonians 5:14 KJV
@@EinfachParanoid So you want him to say all that while he is teaching? Lol
I can't wait to see your channel and how you deal with people while under fire.
Consider Paul wrote the scripture .. he said heard from ME=paul=scripture. twisting scripture to fit a narrative is clever but not necessary. Thx 🙏 love Sam tho.
Not all Paul said and did is scripture, so Paul != scripture. No need to twist scripture.
@@dalobstah name one thing
@@dalobstah show me one writing Paul wrote that isn't scripture ... EXACTLY
@@gregoryderosa8045 2 Timothy 1:13, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus." You are assuming all that Paul spoke and wrote is contained in the letters written by Paul in the New Testament. You have no grounds for this assumption. You have no grounds to assume Paul always taught only what we have in the New Testament today and that we have everything he ever penned in his life.
2 Thessalonians 2:15, "So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter." Here again if you want Paul to equal Scripture you have to assume all that Paul spoke to them is contained in his letters which have been canonized.
You are not exegeting Scripture, you are eisegeting it.
Paul wrote, "...that you have heard from me..." and you are inserting your own words, "...that you have heard from me, and all that you have heard from me is contained in my letters which will be canonized in the New Testament, ..."
Please don't twist scripture.
@@gregoryderosa8045His writings are in the Bible because the Catholic Church recognized those writings are perfectly inline with the full deposit of faith preserved through Apostolic succession and tradition
How can you say that consider the dogma of Mary as the the new ark of the covenant,plus her perpetual virginity and untainted with original sin and now assumed to heaven.
I am a protestant, and this indeed do not convince me.
So what . You were never present Pentecost and thus no Paraclete is above your head and you cannot speak as one with GOD like the Twelve whom JESUS handpicked. No demon is afraid of you and you cannot heal anyone! So modern day sperm and egg if creation who are you non chosen?
Do you know why? Because maybe you are a mo!on or something close to a mo!on. You really think that the Church sleept for 1500 years and got everything wrong until your savior Martin Luther came and showed us all the real truth? Do you really think Jesus Christ would let something like that happend? Do you really think Jesus would let all people who lived from year 33AD-1500AD live in that lie? Come on wake up and use your brain man.
@@duanewoodson9804peak yapping
Bishops are married with one wife. Why do Catholic fathers remain unmarried?
They dont marry because they are imatating Christ who didnt marry either like Christ is married to the Church likewise those appointed, now there is exceptions but thats few and far between plus in heaven we are neither married or given to marrage but are like angels. Mt 22:30
@@Wretchedsinner777
If they truly imitate Christ THAT closely…do they also die on a cross at 33yrs of age? Where’s the common sense?
Haha dude are you serious @teodox8
This question comes from understanding verses in isolation out of context.
1 Corinthians 7:1: "Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: 'It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.'"
1 Corinthians 7:7-8: "I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am."
1 Corinthians 7:32-34: "I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided."
@@luvpamelanewton Discipline
Hello Sam may you please explain to me what God says in the book of Revelation about the seven church..each and indivually. Thank you. Jesus is King.
What is Sam's position on the "infallibility" of the Pope or the sacraments of the Holy Mass, which resembles the repeated crucifixion of Jesus and is therefore unbiblical?
He claims to be a part of the Assyrian Church of the East. So you can try to find what they believe in.
You clearly know nothing about the Eucharist. Does an altar imply sacrifice? "We have an altar which those of the synagogue have no right to partake." - Hebrews
@@WanderingThief So, how do you obtain forgiveness as a Catholic?
@@EinfachParanoid I’m an Orthodox Inquirer, not Catholic. The Eucharist is a sacrifice in the sense that it commemorates Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. It is also a sacrifice of thanksgiving, and for the remission of sins. Would you care to address the point from Hebrews 13? Paul says that the Jews cannot “eat” from the altar. Would you care to tell me what is on the altar that can be eaten?
@@EinfachParanoid Orthodox, not Catholic. Participation in the sacraments Christ and the apostles instituted, confession before Christ, repentance which Christ constantly tells us to practice, prayer which He exhorts us to do, etc.
wanna know how i found out about the church fathers? the protestant baptist owned Ancient Faith Study Bible by Holman lol
Do you Catholics really want to win a fight about if God can disagree with himself? If tradition or church teaches anything that is outside of what had already taught by God is the church wrong or is God? Why do you even want to disagree with this. Does your god not remember what he already said? My God is all knowing. My God is completely sovereign. I’m not scared to say my God because God is God just as described in the Bible. If your god can be subplanted by your leader then your god obviously isn’t all knowing. And he’s not sovereign. My point is that God will not disagree with himself ever. If you don’t like it take it up with God. I’m curious when your church suddenly decides Mary has something to do with redemption and the Bible says that it was Jesus who died and was resurrected, who is wrong? If your church suddenly decides that the apostles and others are those we should pray to, when Jesus is the only mediator between God and Man? Who gets to be correct and who do you think is right? When your guy disagrees with the Bible, who are you going to choose, in your mind who is right. I didn’t say God doesn’t give us leaders and teachers. I didn’t say the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak to us but I did say if anyone disagrees with the Bible only God is right.
2 Timothy 3 was a time before the New Testament was complied. So obviously the words of the Apostles needed to be heard and received in such a way.
WHEREVER a body of believers is gathered... that is where the Chuch is.
Don't seek out many man made doctrines and ordinances that were formed FROM SCRIPTURE.. but rather first Seek out the truth of the scripture that THEY WERE FORMED FROM. Then you shall validate them.
Then you find the truth and wisdom. Not the snowball of doctrine that came from them. Don't let ANY MAN imprison your faith. All that is needed for salvation is Christ alone. For the mystery is that Christ is in You.
Incorrect. You have no Eucharist Protestant! Wow modern day arrogance. Do you really think modern person who was never present to see and hear JESUS nor the Twelve nor any of the Prophets now have more knowledge than any born before your sperm and egg if creation. Please share with us which Angel visited you and placed the firey coal from heaven upon your lips. Isiah was recorded in history to have that event. Your name does not show up written anywhere!
At the time of Timothy, the Scriptures were also not complete. So this argument is also inadequate. But from today's perspective, do we need more than the Bible, more than Sola Scriptura? The traditions of all denominations are partly unbiblical, and unfortunately also some writings of many "infallible" popes. We can only rely on the Bible.
BET-David = House of David
Tim Boslice980 is a typical rebel. The Bible is simply the exclusive authoritative Word of God that is the source of realistic understanding of the spirit and religious truth. All else is only soundly originating in the Bible. Contradictions are violating the truth. That's why the Scripture is the only foundation of religious truth.
This does not look like a doctrine, but as a wordy justification and defense of Catholics/Orthodox, their adaptability and perversion of the teachings of Christ and the apostles in favor of a secular way of life after the merger of church and state (read the history). To do this, as a rule, texts are assigned a convenient meaning that is not found in the Bible. Sam doesn't understand what exactly the Protestants were protesting against. I am so sorry.
❤Catholic
Church is the body of Christ
Jesus Christ can go to those who don't know His Name.
Does the Catholic church teach to be born again and the salvation passages I only first heard outside the Catholic church?
I was kept in a constant state of feeling I was going to hell and never knew I could be saved while in the church. They never showed the passages and since they read them to you for you to hear them, you would never learn them unless you sought it. I did give them a chance to answer my question and asked and no one had an answer.
Of course the Catholic Churrch teaches born again. It refers to it as 'Born again of water and Spirit.' (John 3:5) All scripture comes through the Catholic Church. You should feel at least as confident of your salvation inside Catholicism as outside. Protestants aren't *actually* 100% confident in their salvation: any time you see someone that falls away from Christianity, the Protestant can say "they weren't really saved." If someone has the appearances of salvation, but "wasn't really saved," then how can you know *you* are really saved?
That said, don't live in a state of fear that your salvation will be lost. If you aren't confident of your state, get to confession! Jesus speaks through the priest to absolve your sins! You will be absolved of your sin! That is the greatest assurance of salvation you can have. Keep your trust in Jesus and the ways He has given to stay close to Him. Trust Him! Trust His Church! That's why He left it here for us!
@@JoeLandrigan The New Testament was written by Jews and Greeks who did not consider themselves to a „catholic church“. The grace of God is a gift from the Lord. Only those who carry the Holy Spirit within them attain eternal life. By the fruits of the Holy Spirit and faith in Jesus Christ, you can recognize that you have been filled by Him.
@@JoeLandrigan A person does not need a mediator for a relationship with God and certainly not for forgiveness. Only God alone can forgive sins. This requires faith in the Lord, repentance and conversion. But a man cannot do it on his own. For this, man needs the Lord's help. Another person can help you to arrive at this truth, but cannot bring about anything.
Hey. Former Catholic here. Although anecdotal, I can say the Catholic Church I grew up in didn’t. They were selective in their readings of the Gospels and NT as a whole, only reading the soft sayings of Christ, but never giving all of what He said, including the hard sayings (i.e., Hell, Judgement Day, repentance, etc.). When I opened the Bible and read the NT, I was confronted by the enormity of what it meant to sin against a Holy God, one who was just, good and righteous. When I read in Revelation that liars had their place in the lake of fire, and that the immoral will not inherit the kingdom, I was confronted by realities that showed sin to be exceedingly sinful. I then, by the grace of the Living God, saw my need of Christ as the only means of salvation, through his death, burial and resurrection, which was foretold by the document the CC also never preached from: the Old Testament. It was the evangelical circles with a high view of the Old & New Testament that set forth the message of the gospel and what it meant to be a follower of Christ that, to this day, I’m yet to hear from a Catholic environment. Humbly ask God to show you the truth and read the Bible for yourself. His Word will set you free.
@@EinfachParanoid The Canonical Books of the new testament was selected and enumerated in 380 AD at the Council of Rome under the Authority of POPE DAMASUS
HI Sam. I love your work. You do great things! I've seen how you convert Muslims to Christianity. May God help you keep doing good. However, please stay on topic as this divides people. Please, please, work on your delivery. Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura. I'm LCMS. Even my Catholic friends know there was a dark time in history when the Pope was selling indulgences. It is by grace we are saved through faith, not by works. We are only human, and Luther pointed this out at a very important time in history when the church leaders totally went off the rails and needed to be reformed, but the pope did not want to listen. The hierarchical system itself provided by God is great, as it provides a structural framework for intelligent thought and trained clergy. That is a fair point. This is the work of the holy spirit. However, even the Mormon church also has bishops from what I understand, so this almost rant is off topic. The 95 Thesis was well deserved outcry at that moment in time. We are all human, including the pope. This mention of the dark times is nothing more than the cycle of sin talked about over and over in the old testament. It can even happen within the church, hence our contestant need to look upward instead of inward. I pray that you do not focus on divisions. Focus on spreading the good news and the Trinity. Please even consider taking this down. Thanks be to God. I pray for your family's safety as you are on the front lines. Keep it up!!
The Bible teaches that the congregation is the church the church isn't a building made of sticks and stones
Oh but God did command a tent be built for Him and then a temple. So He is not against having a building where He can dwell. As in the Tabernacle in is Orthodox or Catholic Church.
@atgred Never said nothing against it. All I said was the church is the people that make up the congregation? It's not a building. Just like Jesus never taught religion or Christianity he taught having a Relationship with God through himself
@harleymann2086 Show me one verse where Christ said the church was made of sticks and stones or wooden stones or mortar and stones or made of anything. There's no such chapter. There's no such verse, the chapters. Aninverses that you pointed out aren't talking of a building. They're talking about the body, the people the congregation. The followers of Christ.
@harleymann2086 Say you forget one verse. Jesus said tear down the church and he would build it back in 3 days. What church was tore down and built back in 3 days. There was only one that was his body. His body was the church. Meaning our bodies are the church and the foundation of the church is our faith in Christ.
@harleymann2086 Jesus.
Did not below on his body was the body that was resurrected the church. Now when we repent. Put our faith in Christ and get baptized by water And spirit than our bodies are resurrected by the spirit from a dead body to a living body. So the authority lays with the spirit, not the man. The spirit has God's authority. man does nothing on His own accord. he does the father's will. And that will is relayed through the spirit. Show me one passage of someone doing a miracle without the spirit.
Casting out a demon without the spirit. The spirit gives you the power to do these things. The spirit was given authority to give us the power to do these things.
Well the first apostolic councils would’ve had solar scriptura because the first councils was to enact sacraments and traditions that was to be looked with the Bible before exalting it as a commandment
Church council: enact sacraments proven from Bible with explaining certain Bible verses
But holding onto sacraments as a major rather than the Bible you lose the motivation for the Bible (not everyone) since church history is cherished more
Be very wary on what you focus on for your faith
When you say first councils, which councils?
And you don't do this in love at all, you keep calling people idiots and fools and stupid, I say that in the back of my mind but I don't tell people that because that's not showing the love of God and I have to keep reminding myself that as well. When you preach the gospel you got to do it with love, not with insults. I can't say too much about that because I have done it but I am learning how to tame that even in myself, but I don't say that to them but I think it. And I say it out loud to myself. And that I know I got to stop doing.
and from the beggining you used the wrong bible...
Sounds like you have hadiths to me Sam, violating the warnings in the Bible with your verse hopscotch games won't save you.
"These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." - Matthew 15:8-9
Well, see in 1st Timothy he says those things which you had heard from me. Paul got his understanding from Jesus Christ himself. And there's many doctrines that are being taught in the Roman Catholic church and in the Orthodox church, that are completely false. How do I know because in Galatians chapter 1, Paul is writing to the Galatians saying that I see that you basically have fallen back away from the word which you have learned from me. Because he had taught them the gospel. And if anyone comes preaching a different gospel other than what we preach may he be a cursed and he said that twice. One of the things that they were still doing is worshiping their false gods. Carrying into pagan tradition. Traditions of men. That's why the Bible tells us not to give heed to traditions of men. Idol worship. Was huge in the pagan Church. During the time of Constantine who was the high priest of the pagan church, when he converted to Christianity brought the two religious systems together which now you have the Roman Catholic Church that brings in pagan traditions and pagan beliefs. Constantine changed all the names of the pagan gods to Christian names such as Jupiter to peter, isis to Mary. Mary worship didn't come into the Roman Catholic Church until 431 ad. That's never taught in Scripture. Matter of fact Jesus gave a model for prayer he says when you pray, our Father which art in heaven hallowed be thy name. He did not teach to say our mother Queen of heaven who art in heaven hallowed be thy name. He did not teach the same hail Mary full of grace hallowed be thy name. Jesus Christ gives us a direct link to the father through the son.
30:59, yup
Sam brother you are so so funny
The problem is scripture is the standard used by Christ himself and the apostles.Not traditions preserved by reliable men and a look at the history of the Catholic church one can easily see some of these men did not always obey the spirit. There is an article in the independent about "the 7 wicked popes and the things they did". Are these included in the reliable men? Then how did they end p leading the church? And what about the church protecting child abusers? Is this the result of following the spirit? Again of coarse not and I am not trying to single out Catholics for what Protestants have also done. The fact is some not all of both have disobeyed the spirit ad corrupt individuals have ended up in leadership, which is why we pt or faith in Jesus. He is the incorruptible head of the church. bot men as mach as God works with imperfect men.
And what about the contradictory statements made by popes some saying unless you are a Roman Catholic and obey the Pope you are outside of salvation, only to apparently have that reversed in the mid 1900s. So where does that leave the prior popes edicts claiming those who didn't obey them were not saved? Then we get one pope claiming Luther was right? Wait what? Wasn't he branded a heretic? And then others rush to clarify the pope didn't mean what he said, what a confusing mess of contradictions. So are we to believe this confusion is a result of the Holy Spirit guiding them? Of course not.These people as mach as they can be generally good or well intentioned can still make mistakes. Even John in Revelation who we think should have known better made the mistake and fell down to worship at the feet of an angel, who corrected him and told him not to do that and declared he was just a fellow servant revelations 22:8
So we see Christians following God can still make errors which is why God used the scripture to correct us.
Paul seed that same standard for correction. Not the instructions of good men trusted to good men as much as they can be beneficial.
Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed'. It is scripture that is the standard not oral traditions which we have no way of knowing their accuracy.
I'm not even suggesting Sola Scripture. Of course God speaks to us through teachers, evangelists and leaders as well as guides us through our own conscience, I am suggesting however scripture was the standard to which we must compare all teachings and instruction we receive.
Jesus said to the religious leaders of his day "you do err not knowing the scriptures' not traditions. Mathew 22:29
He also told them they made the word of God of no effect with their traditions Mark 7:13. Do we not run the same risk when we exalt traditions over God's holy word?
For real? Is that why Jesus celebrated Hannukah? And since Hannukah only appears in Maccabees its not scripture, so you are trapper in between accepting that you don't have the right canon of scripture (which defeats sola scriptura) or that Jesus himself did celebrate Hannukah which is only tradition of men according to you (which defeats sola scriptura).
@@diego1590 If you had read my post in it's entirety you would have read that I am not suggesting sola scriptura as God obviously speaks to us in multiple methods, including our conscience, preachers, teachers, those he placed in the church, and brothers and sisters, however it is the scripture that Jesus and the apostles used as the authority, not tradition.
Jesus said you do err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God Mathew 22:29. He did not say you do err not knowing traditions.
The scripture teaches all scripture is given by inspiration of God 2 Timothy 3:16 It does not make the same claim about all traditions. Jesus also warned the religious leaders of his day that they made the word of God of no effect with their traditions. Mark 7:13
We an argue all day about which books should have been included in the cannon. Protestants have numerous reasons. Some of those reasons can be found by researching this title. "Why Were the Books of the Old Testament Apocrypha Rejected as Holy Scripture by the Protestants?"
@@blogityblah what objections???
Sam said
"What got me to take the early church seriously is my commitment and love of scripture and knowing that when Jesus promises something in scripture, that is a promise that's true because the Jesus of scripture is the Jesus of history....when I saw his promise to be guiding the church until he returns... church fathers (Bishops) who were the ones by the spirit safeguarging the truth against heretics and then seeing what they believe..."
And yet Sam and all Catholics reject Polycarp 😂😂😂😂😂😂
On what
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Passover to be observed on Nisan 14…..Polycarp went so far as to refuse to accept the popes change of date as did all the eastern churches until they were more or less forced to in the mid 300’s with the threat of excommunication
What in HELL are you talking about? "Polycarp is regarded as a saint and Church Father in the Eastern Orthodox Church, Roman Catholic Church, Oriental Orthodox Churches, Lutheranism, and Anglicanism."
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You say he is a saint and yet rejecting his teaching regarding the correct observance of Passover on Nisan 14
@nikopaschali Saints and church fathers are not infallible.
They are love because of their Holy lives and commitment to the teachings which are helpful.
Some of their positions may not be taken however their contribution to the body of Christ is respected provided they die in communion with the church
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I have family who are Catholics but you shouldn’t pray or have saint statues or call anyone father but your father in heaven I can go on . people just need to
Stop being proud of being Catholic and start dying to themselves for Jesus . I’m tired of this 50/50 on God . Listen to the Bible
Listen TO THE CHURCH. Know that is Biblical (Mt. 18:17). The Church founded by Christ ON THE AUTHORITY OF THE APOSTLES (Mt. 16:18, 18:18). Will you pray for me? But better not because then I am “worshipping” you! Is your dad your father? Better not call him that because you may “offend” God, as Christ called Abraham father!! No images, no statutes? Better not have money in your pocket because it has images!! Oh but Ex. 20:3 says it images of OTHER GODS! You see how ridiculous you sound?
Dude,so rude and self promoting
Sola scripture and sola fide is utter gaebage.
the disciples didn't write their accounts till years after Christ ascension because they thought Christ would return in their lifetime, and even then, there was no canon for 100s of years after they died. so, tradition always came first.
That just means you don’t understand it
@@onecrispynugget9959 the problem is that everyone reads the text and puts their own interpretation. So you end up 20 million different beliefs. You guys cant agree on things like baptism, salvation.
@@christisking970 it is unfortunate that people misinterpret scripture. What is awesome about scripture, though, is that there are so many layers to just about every single verse, and scripture is used to correct and reprove our human foolishness. We have to read it for what it is, and take it into correct context. The Bible is very clear and direct but also sometimes difficult to understand. This is why we must study it through the Lord and with correct hermeneutics.
@@christisking970so the word of gods are confusing that lead us 20 million belief system by going what god said?
Plus Jesus never taught religion or Christianity he taught having a Relationship with God through himself. True Christianity was originally a following not a religion
Thats absolutely retarded, Jesus established his ministry in life and that ministry followed through the apostles, those apostles who had received authority from Jesus themselves gave that authority to other men who even scripture considers apostles like Timothy, Titus and others.
I thought Sam was neutral for a long time. But we know the tree by its fruits. Anger, rage and hatred are not fruits of the Holy Spirit. The seemingly blind loyalty to the Catholic Church makes him seem blind to the truth.
I like the way he calls out people who play ignorant 😂 i was stupid too once a long time ago 😅 now i am a Catholic and the only anger i have is towards anyone who is against the one true Church
@@Madman-2023your “true church” were selling salvation documents, to fill up popes pockets 😂😂😂 idiots
@@Madman-2023faith plus works is not a fruit of the one true church
@onecrispynugget9959 Faith without works is Dead. Anyone who doesn't partake of the new covenant has no life with in them. Demons also believe but do not do the will of God. They came out of us but they were never really apart of us because if they were they would have never left. All of that sounds alot like protestants
@@Madman-2023 you don’t understand sola fide
Sam, you are knowledgeable but come off as very very ARROGANT AND CONDESCENDING!!! It is Jesus who saves us, not ritual and tradition!! Did the thief on the cross be next to Christ need these things, NO! Our Lord said, "Today you will be with me in paradise.". It's all about Jesus. I pray you focus on that and not these Catholic vs Protestant issues. I am happy you have a new found conviction on Catholicism, but there is no need for you to belittle and berate others in the body of Christ with your superior attitude. It's not Christ-like!! Also, just as the Jews in Jesus' day perverted the scriptures handed down to them, so has the Catholic Church perverted what was initially taught to them.
Please read your own comment & see your arrogance & ignorance! The Bible that you claim to have now handed down to you through great sacrifice from this Church but you have the audacity to accuse them of perversion!
@@ApologeticsCut-ec2bp Sam, first, again with your attitude. REALLY! Just because I have a different viewpoint? Why do you get so upset? Second you miss my point. Forgive me for saying perverted, I meant no disrespect.The Jews in Jesus day were following traditions and interpretations handed down to them and how did Jesus react to them. He had the hardest criticism. They got things wrong and missed the mark. Those were passed down with great sacrifice as well. All I am saying is that I don't trust a lot of what has been passed down. We know the church did many evil things in it's history. The church is still run by fallen people. The church lost its Jewish roots a long time ago and early in its history became mostly gentile. There was an antisemitism expressed by early church fathers. They became "arrogant" if you will, with their superiority over them since they were scattered and crucified Christ. I am saying again that I am happy that you have a new found love for the church traditions, as the Jews have for theirs, but just allow with grace others who come at things with a different perspective. These issues are not what saves us, so I don't know why people even spend time on it. Let's worship and love and honor Yeshua Hamashiach, our Lord and God. Let's focus on Him and His sacrifice as our passover lamb, as a family in love with our God. No need for sibling rivalries. That's all I am saying. Man will fail us, Jesus never will. Keep lifting Him up and reaching the lost sheep of the original fold, and the other fold of the gentiles, who by God's grace have been grafted into the Jewish tree. God has not forgotten the Jewish people, they are His historic time table.
Are you on a cross dying for your own actions, it was an extreme situation, you are not in an extreme situation such as the theifs, you can act you can get baptized, you can learn, you can take communion. Dont use extreme situations for yourself because you arent in one.
@@ApologeticsCut-ec2bpSam!!!
Get real!!! The catholic church did not start the Christian church!!! The Catholic church did not start until about 300 A.D.,under Constantine!!!!
The scriptures were passed down from the Jews and Paul and others were the original Christian church,following on from Jesus message of salvation.
So,Paul,a Jewish man,was one of the first born again Jews/ Christians to have existed.
The Christian ( true) Christian church,could have been said to start at Pentecost,when God sent His Holy Spirit in the upper room to the early believers 300 years before the start of the first "Holy" Roman emperor.
No mention in the Torah about confessional boxes,"purgatory" ,because it doesn"t exist,there is only heaven and hell,praying to the Virgin Mary,although she was used as God's vessel,but she was certainly not sinless.
What do the scripures say:
Pray to God the Father,Jesus the Son and God,the Holy Spirit.
Jesus did actually say to his mother when praying in the synagogue: Woman,did you not know that I go about my Fathers business,indicating that He put His Father above any earthly woman
I bet catholics do not like this out,because it denies that man should ONLY pray to a triune God,by the Father,through the Son and with the guidance of His Holy Spirit.
I wiil find the scripture which says that the true believers arae INWARDLY JEWS,as partakers of a much better covenant.This includes any Jew who accepts the Messiah as their Lord and Saviour
Jews and Gentiles who do not accept Him will unfortunately go to a lost eternity...
Sam...follow Jesus and ignore the different brands...if it ain't labelled in the bible it ain't gonna stand up when questioned...you're opening the door needlessly
Sola scriptura is true
@@onecrispynugget9959 I agree so let's have a sermon on the book of Maccabees
@ there are two books of the maccabees and they aren’t scripture
@@onecrispynugget9959 who are you to say the book of Maccabees are not part of the Bible?
@@jeffreyrodrigoecheverria2613 the Jews never had it in their canon and Christ never came with a message that more Old Testament stories belonged in the Old Testament; it’s kind of weird that our Savior didn’t say anything about it🤷♂️
@onecrispynugget9959 1) so Jews decide what belongs in the old testament? since when did Jews determine the old testament for Christians? Even if you go that route, there were three groups of Jews with three different canons, so what made you decide that 39 books are correct while not just the first 5 books who have the smallest.
2) congregations, Jesus Christ never quoted the song of Solomon nor any other 23 books of the new testament. This is why sola scriptura was created by Satan.
This teaching violates the logic and greatly distorts the Scriptures. Too much to discuss.
Yes, sola scriptura does that.
Pentecost proves no Protestants was present not was ever chosen. However , which church was spared during the fires in Maui? You are too young to think you could ever compete against Ignatius of Antioch or Thomas Aquinas or Padre Pio!
@@MasterKeyMagiccan you give me a real life example of traditional infallibility?
@@onecrispynugget9959 whats "traditional infallibility"?
@@onecrispynugget9959Sure, let’s use the current Pope as an example. He does borderline heretical things but has never been able to change anything deemed to be dogmatic. That’s the Holy Spirit intervening in Catholic tradition and belief.
False teacher 😡
Funny how you say you have the Spirit yet you talk in the flesh, also funny how you use the term the Spirit this and that , it you’ve jumped through 5 denominations and you would use scripture to try to prove you point all the time…. Just shows how easy man can contradict the Bible and make say what they want ,….
Pentecost established the CHURCH and there was no Protestants ever selected nor chosen at that time. There was no Protestants present at the ascension. None of the twelve casted lots on any Protestants!