Nice video and good job, I just got back from my first trip a week ago. It’s big water and the GoPro flattens it out. You can’t appreciate how big it is w/o rowing it. Several rapids have flipping potential, glad you were able to recover and have a good line at Lava. SYOTR!
Cool video, nice and to the point for each rapid! That rotation into the rock at the end of Horn was so fast! If it was like 45 degrees less you might have just stern bounced. Are you sure the first one was House though? I didn't see any of the key features of that rapid. Like, the house sized rock near the end. Nor the ledge drop in the middle left. Nor the scouting perch at the start. Maybe it just looked way different than when we did it.
Yeah it happened fast. Should have split the horns as that wasn't a great result. Yeah that is house rock, we scouted from right so that's probably what makes it seem different.
Insta 360. Mounted with a clamp mount I got from Amazon. Worked great, would bring loctite with you though because the screw that makes the clamp work slipped a bit. I also had a metal shell case I got on Amazon so I could tether the camera back to the boat. Which was critical in this instance since it tweaked the selfie stick a bit. Have fun! www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BGBQJZX7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Some commenters are saying you shoulda split the horns, but at water that low I'm not sure you can. I've heard its a not great idea below ~8000 cfs. The right to left run in The Horns is easily the hardest line in the canyon at low water in my opinion.
Yeah man in hindsight I’d just split them and skip the scout. The R->L move is there I just didn’t pull through. Talking with other groups there was a lot of carnage there. Newer videos show a lot of people splitting them at that 5-9k level and being fine. Live and learn. I learned my lesson and when Bedrock came…I PULLED!
Nice job - don’t be too hard on yourself! You’ll ace Horn next time I’m sure. You won back your honor with that move at bedrock. Hitting the eddy RR below bedrock is a move that not many can make (and I reckon you clearly could’ve made it if’n you’d wanted) - trick is to row like a mad bastard and don’t relax for a moment until you’re past the rock itself. Job done. Plus you nailed the entry at Lava, so you my friend get a definite passing grade! First time on the Grand?
Don't sell yourself short. You did great in a bunch of tough ones. Certainly Bedrock, Upset, Lava, and others. Just split the horns next time at Horn Creek and you'll be golden!
I think your title was too hard on yourself and your runs. Overall most of your runs were pretty good. You had the right concepts most of the time. It takes the learning of several trips to be able to keep your raft in the position you want. The currents are so complex and the so wide at the rapids entryways that it can be quite challenging to judge your trajectory. I’ve done 63 rowing trips through the Canyon (both as a commercial guide and on private trips) and appreciate the challenges of the rapids there. I’ve a suggestion born of my experience that you may find helpful if you have future trips there. Being very aware of your momentum and the direction of your momentum and aligning your momentum with the pathway you want to take is key to Grand Canyon rapids. For example, I’ve missed many a beautiful set of waves in long rapids with sweet wave trains with mild bends to them because of the momentum I had generated in positioning the raft exactly where I wanted. Failing to neutralize that directional momentum meant that although I hit the first 3-6 waves, my I’ll-aligned momentum carried me across and out of the center of the long train and off to the side. If you neutralize your positional momentum when you’re centered in the line you want and lock you position in there, then you can stay centered use the energy of the laterals to adjust your position as the wave train bends. Of course sustained directional momentum is key to a number of the big rapids there like House Rock, Hance, Bedrock, Duebendorf, and Upset for example. It looked to me like your entry into Hance was fouled simply by the difficulty in knowing your position in the currents relative to your desired path, because of their breadth and complexity. Even after scouting, the view on the river is vastly different than from shore as I’m sure you know. Paying deep attention to the subtleties of the currents well above and following them all the way to your entry point could help you with recognizing your position and staying oriented and keeping aligned in the path that you want. It looked to me like you’ve good skills and understanding overall and just need a little more time on the river there. I hope that you may find these ideas helpful and forgive the unsolicited advice.
Thank you for taking the time to write from your breadth of experience. I agree with everything you said (now) and appreciate your kind words. Your comment on Hance is spot on. Something that was rather unique to me there were all the horizon lines, and the lack of visible markings at water level. I had to learn to read other landmarks, like teacup boils etc and reference my position in relation to them when on the water. Was very tricky but over time I believe I improved and learned skills that I can continue to develop and become more competent. Wish I could share a fire and hear some of what must 1,000s of stories you must have been a part of so far in your career! Thanks again for taking the time to comment and give some learned perspective.
You’re welcome. I noticed your improvement as the trip went on. You’re absolutely right about the horizon lines and learning to read and notice those often ignored movements of current and use them as orientation. I’ll just reiterate the importance of the concept of momentum. It took me years to refine the understanding of it. It really is the key to refined runs in the Canyon and worthy of contemplation amidst your next adventure there. I’m sure you’d be fun to share stories with too. Best of luck and joy in your future boating.
Downstream Ferry is something I have only used in a few places, but on the Grand you better do it. You MIGHT make it by killing yourself, you might not. In this video for instance Bedrock appeared super easy, but at extreme low water you will NOT make it with out one. Or House Rock its considered mandatory to avoid the worse holes. And how he struggled to get close to the Duck pond on Hance? Much easier with a downstream. Its scary, but a powerful tool.
Nice video and good job, I just got back from my first trip a week ago. It’s big water and the GoPro flattens it out. You can’t appreciate how big it is w/o rowing it. Several rapids have flipping potential, glad you were able to recover and have a good line at Lava. SYOTR!
I just did my 3rd trip! This past one was the end of September 2023. This is fantastic footage!! Thanks for sharing!! ❤😊
Right on! Was my first and I’ll be going back!
Cool video, nice and to the point for each rapid! That rotation into the rock at the end of Horn was so fast! If it was like 45 degrees less you might have just stern bounced.
Are you sure the first one was House though? I didn't see any of the key features of that rapid. Like, the house sized rock near the end. Nor the ledge drop in the middle left. Nor the scouting perch at the start. Maybe it just looked way different than when we did it.
Yeah it happened fast. Should have split the horns as that wasn't a great result. Yeah that is house rock, we scouted from right so that's probably what makes it seem different.
Thank you for sharing your trip. I can see the shadow in a few shots… Insta360 or another? Curious about your mount system too? Neat perspective
Insta 360. Mounted with a clamp mount I got from Amazon. Worked great, would bring loctite with you though because the screw that makes the clamp work slipped a bit. I also had a metal shell case I got on Amazon so I could tether the camera back to the boat. Which was critical in this instance since it tweaked the selfie stick a bit. Have fun! www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BGBQJZX7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Handsome fella running point in Sockdolager.
Don’t see your rider up front much after Horn! Lol! Cool vid.
Hahaha she was smart and hiked out at Phantom!
Some commenters are saying you shoulda split the horns, but at water that low I'm not sure you can. I've heard its a not great idea below ~8000 cfs. The right to left run in The Horns is easily the hardest line in the canyon at low water in my opinion.
Yeah man in hindsight I’d just split them and skip the scout. The R->L move is there I just didn’t pull through. Talking with other groups there was a lot of carnage there. Newer videos show a lot of people splitting them at that 5-9k level and being fine. Live and learn. I learned my lesson and when Bedrock came…I PULLED!
Nice job - don’t be too hard on yourself! You’ll ace Horn next time I’m sure.
You won back your honor with that move at bedrock. Hitting the eddy RR below bedrock is a move that not many can make (and I reckon you clearly could’ve made it if’n you’d wanted) - trick is to row like a mad bastard and don’t relax for a moment until you’re past the rock itself. Job done.
Plus you nailed the entry at Lava, so you my friend get a definite passing grade! First time on the Grand?
First time! Learned a lot, some of it the hard way!
11:25 WOOO!
A few bad lines, but it shows how forgiving the river can be....until its not :)
How was the swim?
Harmless. I popped up next to the boat and climbed on top in the pool 50yds downstream.
What time of year was this?
October. 5-9k
good job
you gotta split the horns at horn creek
No doubt. But hey, I’ll never do it that way again!
Don't sell yourself short. You did great in a bunch of tough ones. Certainly Bedrock, Upset, Lava, and others. Just split the horns next time at Horn Creek and you'll be golden!
Thanks! Live and learn and I certainly learned some lessons the hard way, and others the river gods were more merciful. Be better next go around
I'm confused by Class 8 and such. Was that sarcasm or do they rate the Grand Canyon on a different scale? As a kayaker it's a class 5.
GC scale is 1-10. Everywhere else is 1-5 so you’re not crazy!
I think your title was too hard on yourself and your runs. Overall most of your runs were pretty good. You had the right concepts most of the time. It takes the learning of several trips to be able to keep your raft in the position you want. The currents are so complex and the so wide at the rapids entryways that it can be quite challenging to judge your trajectory. I’ve done 63 rowing trips through the Canyon (both as a commercial guide and on private trips) and appreciate the challenges of the rapids there. I’ve a suggestion born of my experience that you may find helpful if you have future trips there. Being very aware of your momentum and the direction of your momentum and aligning your momentum with the pathway you want to take is key to Grand Canyon rapids. For example, I’ve missed many a beautiful set of waves in long rapids with sweet wave trains with mild bends to them because of the momentum I had generated in positioning the raft exactly where I wanted. Failing to neutralize that directional momentum meant that although I hit the first 3-6 waves, my I’ll-aligned momentum carried me across and out of the center of the long train and off to the side. If you neutralize your positional momentum when you’re centered in the line you want and lock you position in there, then you can stay centered use the energy of the laterals to adjust your position as the wave train bends. Of course sustained directional momentum is key to a number of the big rapids there like House Rock, Hance, Bedrock, Duebendorf, and Upset for example. It looked to me like your entry into Hance was fouled simply by the difficulty in knowing your position in the currents relative to your desired path, because of their breadth and complexity. Even after scouting, the view on the river is vastly different than from shore as I’m sure you know. Paying deep attention to the subtleties of the currents well above and following them all the way to your entry point could help you with recognizing your position and staying oriented and keeping aligned in the path that you want. It looked to me like you’ve good skills and understanding overall and just need a little more time on the river there. I hope that you may find these ideas helpful and forgive the unsolicited advice.
Thank you for taking the time to write from your breadth of experience. I agree with everything you said (now) and appreciate your kind words. Your comment on Hance is spot on. Something that was rather unique to me there were all the horizon lines, and the lack of visible markings at water level. I had to learn to read other landmarks, like teacup boils etc and reference my position in relation to them when on the water. Was very tricky but over time I believe I improved and learned skills that I can continue to develop and become more competent. Wish I could share a fire and hear some of what must 1,000s of stories you must have been a part of so far in your career! Thanks again for taking the time to comment and give some learned perspective.
You’re welcome. I noticed your improvement as the trip went on. You’re absolutely right about the horizon lines and learning to read and notice those often ignored movements of current and use them as orientation. I’ll just reiterate the importance of the concept of momentum. It took me years to refine the understanding of it. It really is the key to refined runs in the Canyon and worthy of contemplation amidst your next adventure there.
I’m sure you’d be fun to share stories with too.
Best of luck and joy in your future boating.
This guy seems real scurred. It's okay, the water is wet, you might be just fine maybe.
Don't row backwards into a rapid.
Downstream ferry is actually clutch on the Colorado.
Downstream Ferry is something I have only used in a few places, but on the Grand you better do it. You MIGHT make it by killing yourself, you might not. In this video for instance Bedrock appeared super easy, but at extreme low water you will NOT make it with out one. Or House Rock its considered mandatory to avoid the worse holes. And how he struggled to get close to the Duck pond on Hance? Much easier with a downstream. Its scary, but a powerful tool.