From a old Crystal Swimmer (83), I can relate. Looking at the entry, I can only assume no one gave him any advice about what was needed, and what to do if things went south. Pilot error on the upstream side, failure to self-rescue (climbing up on the overt-turned raft immediately), and an error in not putting on flip lines. Some skilled rowers use a backward ferry to punch hard through the first set of V waves, beautiful to watch.(a/k/a Grand Canyon ferry). Of course, apparently not skilled enough, that's what i was trying in 83. Glad it all came out well in the end. Thanks for the memories.
I ran the Colorado way back in '82 when you still had to bail the boats. Crystal was scary. The we ended up in Forever Eddy and the guide hollered at me to come help her row, which I did but then we hit the current change and my oar caught me in the gut and shot me off the back of the raft into the 42 degree water. I'd never done any river running before but man was I hooked. So exciting and so much fun. I'm 64 now, haven't run any rivers in 20 years. I miss it.
LMAO it would have been good if he kept pulling away from the center of the rapid 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ at the very least he should have T-upped to the wave instead of going in sideways.
I would like to do this one day. I am really inspired. This was peaked after listening to an album the called The River Speaks plainly by Pixie and the Partygrass Boys which led me to be currently reading The Emerald Mile.
The hole I remember from the 1970s is gone!! 😢 That thing was a hole of horror. I could see the bottom of the river going past it on our raft ~50 feet down. It almost swallowed a 30 ft commercial Banana boat. The boat stopped @ the top of the hole wave @ stared to slip backwards into the hole. Even @ full power on the boat engine, it barely crawled out
That doesn't look fun. A long and tiring swim in really cold water. My daughter almost did the same thing. We were just a few weeks behind you. She was able to straighten it out just in time. We got some major air, but luckily did not flip.
Started moving right WAY too late. Should have been at least a full boat length (almost two) to river right before hitting that first little lateral off the guard rock at the top. If your stern is floating almost OVER that guard rock/little lateral, then you're far enough right. If not... the current is like a Death Star Tractor Beam and there is no hope of missing the hole.
As the rower with the mullet. I’ve been snakebit here by sneaking it right. Flipped 3 times. So the strategy was to use monentum and blow past it. Clearly misjudged it. But don’t forget.... we’re all between swims!
You guys went right up the middle..never a good idea on this rapid. I’ve sneaked right a few times but have run it left most often….so fat…no flips there, but yes, we are all between flips
@trwent No argument about that: did you consider how his progress downriver, if he followed your plan, meant traversing a basalt (& etc) inclined Canyon wall (10° to 80° steep), for untold (and unknown) distances, to rejoin whatever crew *might* be with the upside-down raft, would entail? Wet shoes and clothes, exhausted? 😳 Yes, he certainly could have reached "a shore" quicker; that merely transforms one set of bad circumstances into another. I had to rescue a housemate after a huge 'taco' in a huge hole on the Upper Colorado at >11,000cfs (early 80s: "Eye of the Needle" rock was covered over!); we had to hike a ledge over the 140ft canyon wall, nearly a mile upriver, where we found him shoeless and bleeding from a gash under his foot. Shoeless: each of us offered one shoe, so he could at least keep going, while we dealt with the rough ground as best we could. Best friends in the 1990s, went down Cataract Canyon at >60,000cfs. A married couple and 3rd was the boatman. She got out to film and was over 100ft uphill to video the coming "disaster"; they flipped and were over a quarter mile downriver, out of sight, before she reached the river, SCARED (I saw the video), not knowing how far she had to bushwhack..? Solo boat trip... she was very lucky that other rafters upstream saw her scrambling downriver, picked her up, and set off to chase her party. So getting out of the river, can be temporarily beneficial, but...
It’s easier just to float down with the boat until they reach a calm eddy. Navigating downstream on the shoreline definitely isn’t easy or safe. As long as they have proper cold water gear on, they’re fine. What they could have is some sort of rope that allows them to pull themselves up onto the flipped raft. That way they can at least get out of the water. But they also get to stay with the boat. There are plenty of places we’re swimming to sure is the correct decision. Not here though.
It’s easier just to float down with the boat until they reach a calm eddy. Navigating downstream on the shoreline definitely isn’t easy or safe. As long as they have proper cold water gear on, they’re fine. What they could have is some sort of rope that allows them to pull themselves up onto the flipped raft. That way they can at least get out of the water. But they also get to stay with the boat. There are plenty of places we’re swimming to sure is the correct decision. Not here though. 5:14
From a old Crystal Swimmer (83), I can relate. Looking at the entry, I can only assume no one gave him any advice about what was needed, and what to do if things went south. Pilot error on the upstream side, failure to self-rescue (climbing up on the overt-turned raft immediately), and an error in not putting on flip lines. Some skilled rowers use a backward ferry to punch hard through the first set of V waves, beautiful to watch.(a/k/a Grand Canyon ferry). Of course, apparently not skilled enough, that's what i was trying in 83. Glad it all came out well in the end. Thanks for the memories.
Refreshing swim in the lovely calm waters of the Colorado!
If that's a good line I would love to see a bad one.
Definitely not a recommended line...
That line is great if you want to learn what not to do during Crystal 🤣 10/10
@@_shinaman_3972at that point i think he was saying it to hype them up bc he knew they were fucked
I ran the Colorado way back in '82 when you still had to bail the boats. Crystal was scary. The we ended up in Forever Eddy and the guide hollered at me to come help her row, which I did but then we hit the current change and my oar caught me in the gut and shot me off the back of the raft into the 42 degree water. I'd never done any river running before but man was I hooked. So exciting and so much fun. I'm 64 now, haven't run any rivers in 20 years. I miss it.
I kept hearing good line good line. I said for what flipping? And guess what! Nasty swim on the right.
Good line! You got it, you got it! You don’t got it.
good line?
LMAO it would have been good if he kept pulling away from the center of the rapid 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ at the very least he should have T-upped to the wave instead of going in sideways.
Why did you let go of the raft?
No flip lines on the boat? good for helping you climb back on top....
right? how are you supposed to get up there and self-rescue?
Good line, good line, hit it O O O oo oo OO O ufff, ufff, uffff
4:30 (+/-) 😮 when you've swum for minutes, and "everything" is floating farther downstream...
"Oh! What a feeeeeeling..."
This looks awesome! I want to do it.
I would like to do this one day. I am really inspired. This was peaked after listening to an album the called The River Speaks plainly by Pixie and the Partygrass Boys which led me to be currently reading The Emerald Mile.
What size raft
18 footer
You both should have been on the upturned raft within 30 seconds. Where was you safety?
Yer boat's swimmin' away, dude...
Been though the hole twice in an 18 footer but hit it straight on made it both times
yeah, sideways not recommended
The hole I remember from the 1970s is gone!! 😢
That thing was a hole of horror. I could see the bottom of the river going past it on our raft ~50 feet down. It almost swallowed a 30 ft commercial Banana boat. The boat stopped @ the top of the hole wave @ stared to slip backwards into the hole. Even @ full power on the boat engine, it barely crawled out
Went through Crystal successfully in 2018. Everyone said it was good to be ABC - Alive Below Crystal. Looked like a tough swim. That water is COLD!
That doesn't look fun. A long and tiring swim in really cold water. My daughter almost did the same thing. We were just a few weeks behind you. She was able to straighten it out just in time. We got some major air, but luckily did not flip.
The part where you swam river right… that was a good line.
Nice friends, got the beers out of the water before you.
Started moving right WAY too late. Should have been at least a full boat length (almost two) to river right before hitting that first little lateral off the guard rock at the top. If your stern is floating almost OVER that guard rock/little lateral, then you're far enough right. If not... the current is like a Death Star Tractor Beam and there is no hope of missing the hole.
Roll on your back
So many things wrong here that I’m not gonna even bother to critique. Hopefully you learned a hard lesson from this “good line”
As the rower with the mullet. I’ve been snakebit here by sneaking it right. Flipped 3 times. So the strategy was to use monentum and blow past it. Clearly misjudged it. But don’t forget.... we’re all between swims!
You guys went right up the middle..never a good idea on this rapid. I’ve sneaked right a few times but have run it left most often….so fat…no flips there, but yes, we are all between flips
Put a chicken line on your boat!
Not the line I’d take at Crystal. Jaws wide open and angled
Seems like he could have gotten to shore a bit sooner.
"Shore"?
45° slopes mostly
@@ZENmudThere were some places farther upriver he could have gotten out that were just as easy as where he finally did get out.
@trwent
No argument about that: did you consider how his progress downriver, if he followed your plan, meant traversing a basalt (& etc) inclined Canyon wall (10° to 80° steep), for untold (and unknown) distances, to rejoin whatever crew *might* be with the upside-down raft, would entail?
Wet shoes and clothes, exhausted? 😳
Yes, he certainly could have reached "a shore" quicker; that merely transforms one set of bad circumstances into another.
I had to rescue a housemate after a huge 'taco' in a huge hole on the Upper Colorado at >11,000cfs (early 80s: "Eye of the Needle" rock was covered over!); we had to hike a ledge over the 140ft canyon wall, nearly a mile upriver, where we found him shoeless and bleeding from a gash under his foot.
Shoeless: each of us offered one shoe, so he could at least keep going, while we dealt with the rough ground as best we could.
Best friends in the 1990s, went down Cataract Canyon at >60,000cfs. A married couple and 3rd was the boatman. She got out to film and was over 100ft uphill to video the coming "disaster"; they flipped and were over a quarter mile downriver, out of sight, before she reached the river, SCARED (I saw the video), not knowing how far she had to bushwhack..? Solo boat trip... she was very lucky that other rafters upstream saw her scrambling downriver, picked her up, and set off to chase her party.
So getting out of the river, can be temporarily beneficial, but...
The only place I ever flipped..’80s.,13’ Miwok ..
Way too long of a swim!
this looks easy
That’s not a good line!!
Where is his help ?? Oh filming
He need to pull alot harder and sooner ! It might of been those oar rights or wrongs
Swim to shore! Don’t just float downstream like a log!
It’s easier just to float down with the boat until they reach a calm eddy. Navigating downstream on the shoreline definitely isn’t easy or safe. As long as they have proper cold water gear on, they’re fine.
What they could have is some sort of rope that allows them to pull themselves up onto the flipped raft. That way they can at least get out of the water. But they also get to stay with the boat.
There are plenty of places we’re swimming to sure is the correct decision. Not here though.
It’s easier just to float down with the boat until they reach a calm eddy. Navigating downstream on the shoreline definitely isn’t easy or safe. As long as they have proper cold water gear on, they’re fine.
What they could have is some sort of rope that allows them to pull themselves up onto the flipped raft. That way they can at least get out of the water. But they also get to stay with the boat.
There are plenty of places we’re swimming to sure is the correct decision. Not here though. 5:14
So you enter rapids in reverse?