Bespoke Tool Listing: Here's Everything You'll Need To Turn Kitless Pens
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2017
- I'm kicking off my Bespoke pen turning adventure with a quick video on the tools you'll need to get started.
Regards,
Bob
Bespoke Tool Listing Document:
drive.google.com/file/d/1hn5N...
Preparing Acrylic Blanks for Turning: • Preparing Acrylic Blan...
Preparing Wood Blanks for Turning: • Preparing Wood Blanks ...
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Thanks for this. It would have been much easier for you to simply keep this to yourself and save your time. But, you decided to help a lot of strangers with your knowledge. Much respect.
Thank you.
Regards,
Bob
Great video Bob! I can’t wait to take the journey with you on the kitless pens.
Thank you Joe,
I can’t wait to get started.
Regards,
Bob
Very exciting! I love pens, especially nib holders and oblique nib holders! I will be watching you with great interest! Can hardly wait to see your progress!
Thank you Madeline.
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Bob
Great step forward! Happy to see someone venturing out to new and exciting pen making.
Thank you Joel.
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Bob
Thanks Bob good job.
Thank you Ray.
Regards.
Bob
Thank you so much Bob, you have a great evening and once again a very Happy New Year to you and your family xxx
Thank you Val,
Happy New Year.
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Bob
Very cool, happy to join you on that journey!
Thank you Markus.
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Bob
Being this video is 3 years old now, I'm sure you have perfected these. Now, I'm looking at possibly starting my first endeavor into kitless pens. Thanks for this video. I've followed you a long time and you have greatly helped in my journey.
Thank you.
Regards,
Bob
Let's get started!!! Looking forward to learn this.
Thank you Charlie.
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Bob
Happy New Year to you . can't wait to see your progress on making and designing your Bespoke pens.
Thank you,
Happy New Year.
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Bob
Looking forward to the videos and instruction. always enjoy what you show
Thank you.
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Bob
Thanks Bob. Looking forward to more updates
Thank you Jim.
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Bob
I'll be watching Bob as I have a little over half of the required tools. 😉
Mark
I did some practicing Sunday and realized I needed two more items, LOL. Will it ever end.
Regards,
Bob
The kitless pens is the direction I been looking at getting into. I been turning pens for about 4 yrs now and this is where I want to be in this coming year. I am glad you put this out.
Thank you Reginald.
Regards,
Bob
Always look forward to your videos. Happy New Year Bob.
Thank you Mike.
Happy New Year.
Regards,
Bob
Hi Bob,
Thanks for another great video. You really peaked my interest and Curiosity, when you spoke about the kitless pens in the past. Now I’m really excited to see the process on how you actually make them.
Thank you Gary,
I’m really excited to get started maki g them.
Regards,
Bob
Very excited to see these videos Bob,this is something I've been thinking about trying now for a long time thank you for sharing 😊
Thank you Paul.
Regards,
Bob
Wow! Looking at the list shows your commitment to this Bob. I've always been intrigued by this and look forward to seeing the great pens you'll create. You can do it!
Thank you Howard,
I’ve started practicing so I hope to have a video soon.
Regards,
Bob
Big commitment at start, looking forward to seeing your progress, great work Bob and a happy New year to you and your family
Thank you Rob.
I had no idea when i started collecting tools. I knew it would be pricey but I was a bit surprised. Now that I have them, I have to use them.
Regards,
Bob
I would really love to learn this craft and technique. Looking forward to your future videos to learn from. You have already taught me so much. Thanks
Thank you Stanley.
Regards,
Bob
Thanks for sharing that. I've recently started down the same road and have been slowly assembling all the tools. You were a bit braver than I in turning your own mandrels. I worked with a local machinist to have a pair made to hold the pen body and cap, cost me $400, mostly because the guy hadn't cut 3 lead threads in ages and so took him extra time to make sure it was done correctly. Keep up the good work.
Thank you David,
Regards,
Bob
Bob, I enjoyed this video and I am really excited about watching you journey through the process of kitless turning. I am aa retired machinist and have all the calipers (metric and inches) and most needed tools except taps and dies. Don’t have enough experience turning pens yet to know if I want to get into this endeavor but can’t wait to follow you through the process. I enjoy trying new things and have learned a ton about pen turning from your videos. Thanks and I am waiting for the journey to start.
Thank you Doswell,
I hope I find disappoint.
Regards,
Bob
Following with interest. Best wishes for the new year.
Thank you Phil,
Happy New Year.
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Bob
Very informative. Can hardly wait to see the process. Happy New Year!
Jim
Thank you Jim.
Regards,
Bob
This is going to be fun to watch.
Thank you Bob.
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Bob
Thanks for all you do Bob. You have turned my turning hobby into an obsession haha. Great video and have a happy new year!!
Thank you Nick,
Happy New Year.
Regards,
Bob
Hello Bob almost a year late but very keen to see how the bespoke pens turn out.. youve taught me a lot so far that I need to become competent in but this avenue is a new level.. thank you
Thank you Buster
Regards,
Bob
Great Bob! I am sooo looking forward to your videos. I am seeking way to step up my pen making up as well. And I said I wouldn't be a pen maker. Ha! You are awesome!
Thank you Cindy,
Hopefully I don’t disappoint.
Regards,
Bob
Hi Bob great information I can't wait to see you learn me and all your followers how to make a kit less pen
Happy New year I hope see to you doing your best giving all this free information that I can understand. information and your time
Thank you Nigel.
Regards,
Bob
Great video Bob, It will be great to see a vid on a fully made kit less pen and the individual components that need to be made before you go through the process of making one, or making the individual parts. Just seeing what a kit less pen consists of would be a real treat for us lesser skilled pen turners. :-) Many thanks for taking on the challenge and passing on your knowledge.
All the best
Tony
Thank you Tony.
Regards,
Bob
Thanks Bob! Though new to the turning world (a little over a year), looking to spread my knowledge and experience.. Hopefully will see you in Ohio.
Thank you Edward,
I have a ticket for Ohio but I’m not going to make it this year. Work is keeping me to busy. I’ll have to shake your hand next September.
Regards,
Bob
Bob, 'm very excited to take this journey along with you, I have already bought most of the tools, except the taps and dies--key items I know but triple start dies are damn expensive and I wanted to be sure of which ones I want. I have made over 3,000 pens which I used kits,multiple kits or partial kits on all of, and 'Kitless' pens hold an interest to me also. Best luck to you as you go forward, there's always something new to learn in the world of pen-turning and woodworking in general. Keep your awesome enthusiasm!! Your friend and fan--Don
Thank you very much Don.
Happy New Year.
Regards,
Bob
Bob thank you for all this information! All your videos are A+. I'm really exited about learning the proses of making kittles pen. I have been making pens for over two+ years now in the prosses I have really created some beautiful pen. But just like seed in this video you need to take it one more step and move from being an assembler to a true start to finish your design. I'm there. I will fallow every video the you post an the making of kittles pen. I ready and I would lo for you do be my mentor. Bob thank you. looking for more kittles pen instruction from you!!!!
Thank you Jack,
Been away for a while, hope to be back at it soon.
Regards,
Bob
Nice video Bob. I have had a hankering to jump into kitless for a long time. This has me hankering even more. Nice looking pen, and a very nicely done video. And that collet chuck runs nice and true now. :)
Thank you Andrew.
Regards
Bob
Love your videos. I don’t use a jacobs Chuck at all I use collets for everything.
Nothing wrong with that. Different tools, methods , and techniques work better in different shops. I always say, as long as it’s safe, use what works best for you.
Regards,
Bob
Look forward to seeing the bespoke pens. All the very best wishes for 2018
Thank you David.
Happy New Year.
Regards,
Bob
I have said before that I spent my life as a machinist. All of the tools mentioned are indeed essential. Never thought my buddy turners were not familiar with a lot of these tools GOOD job! I have also used HF for a lot of tooling. Great price and work well with wood. ron
Thank you Ron,
I’m learning about new tools every day.
Regards,
Bob
Wow, triple start tap and die...you certainly went the expensive route!! Looking forward to your journey into bespoke pens. Cheers, Rich
Thank you Rich.
Regards,
Bob
Great video Bob, I will have to get ahold of Jim for some custom manderal's. Looks like your headed down the rabbit hole.
This will help you in your journey if you don't mind taking a look, I'm excited for you in this next journey you are taking.
Cap and Body: ua-cam.com/video/3oKXcL0LqYs/v-deo.html
Section (Jowo #6): ua-cam.com/video/mnTb0fZQDfs/v-deo.html
Thank you,
Yes it is a rabbit hole, LOL. But it’s a fun trip. 😃
@@RJBWoodTurner Yes, hard to go back to kit pens. I recently went back to kit pens just to clear out inventory and save a few bucks from bespoke pens but the creative side of bespoke pens really allow you as being a pen maker true freedom. Enjoy your videos, Merry Christmas Sir.
@@exoticwoodpen Merry Christmas. 🎄
Interesting concept, although I am waiting for an actual demonstration somewhere along the process before I will say that I know how they work. But to get my bad pun of the day in, I will say that I think the pens you are going to tern will be scared kitless. I'll let myself out now. Thanks for sharing, Bob!
LOL, that’s actually a pretty good pun Dominic.
Regards,
Bob
Thanks for the tool list Bob...For some reason this video never came up until now, so it answers a lot of questions regarding these types of pens...and I think completely answers my question regarding making a fountain pen with a clear body...called a Demonstrator Pen by manufacturers...to me if you are going to use & make a fountain pen the cool part is seeing the ink LOL.
Definitely a lot of stuff involved and a pretty in depth process to make Bespoke pens but I definitely want to do this...and I will slowly start getting the stuff I need and since I have a metal lathe I may try making some of the mandrels myself although I think you were using aluminum in the ones you have been making and the ones you bought are aluminum as well it looks like, so I can do that with my regular lathe :).
Thanks again for the video on the tools needed, and your Bespoke pen videos are very interesting...Its all a learning process and I usually do so using scrap materials when I am not sure how something is going to work out...but you can't always do that either as the material may differ slightly from your end product...very fun series of videos.
Thank you William.
To bad you don’t live closer, I’d have you over and let you try this type of pen turning out.
Regards,
Bob
I'll get into it eventually, have a few...ok quite a few items on that list I need to get first HAHA. I don't have the collet chuck system yet, taps, dies, die holders, etc. I'll start picking that stuff up here and there.
Great video bob, with a lot of information
Thank you, and Best Wishes for 2018
Thank you. Happy New Year.
Regards,
Bob
Bob... minor correction... the m13 tap and die set is a .8 pitch, both are 3 lead (triple start) these are the cap threading tooling.
Great video Bob... you covered everything and very well!
Thank you Jim,
I appreciate the clarification on the pitch. I’m still learning. Probably will be for ever, LOL.
Regards,
Bob
Cool Bob .I will be following you every step of the way. This looks like a very cool way to make pens .As you I think making pen kits is just assembling a kit set as there is not much creativity in doing so. I am very interested to see how this is done
Than ks
Thank you John,
I’m
Looking forward to the adventure.
Regards,
Bob
Another great video Bob. Looking forward to seeing how the kitless pens compare with the pen kits. I wonder how much more time it will take to make a kitless pen versus a pen kit? Thanks again.
I’ve spoke with several kit-less pen turners and the average seems to be about two hours.
Regards,
Bob
Great intro. I have made many kitless pens and would not recommend acrylic or wood. Alumilite is less chippy and takes a thread easily. Wood does not thread very well, especially in the finer sizes. I eventually switched to a metal lathe for more precision and accuracy. Couldn’t get a truly round hole on a wood lathe ... too much wobble in the tail stock. Once you master the section, everything else works out. Also, the metal lathe allows you to make your own mandrel. Good luck, it’s very rewarding.
Thank you Donna.
I appreciate the Information.
Regards,
Bob
I will be watching, but i have not got the kitless bug yet. Yes a lot of investment in more tools is the main reason i not done it. But only limited by your skill and creatively sounds great.....have a save new year's ...
Thank you Robert,
I’m very excited about getting started.
Regards,
Bob
Hi Rob, sound problem still persists. Anyway have a Happy New Year to you and your family
Thank you Peter.
I went back and listened to the video on my Surface Pro and it sounded fine. I’m going to dig up one of my kids iPads and check it out.
Regards,
Bob
Ok Bob. You have my attention. I am still a fledgling "pen assembler". This tickles the machinist in me. I will be paying attention. Thank you.
Thank you Joseph.
Regards,
Bob
This is quite interesting, I've heard you mentioning kitless pens before and I really want to see how you make them!
Thank you Anil.
I’m looking forward to making them.
Regards,
Bob
Happy new year Bob!
Happy New Year.
Regards,
Bob
Bob
Your videos, and also the recent videos produced by Lynn Lacey, are tempting me to try my hand at kitless pens. But before jumping into the vortex, I have a question - - -
You recently purchased a Turncrafter lathe (and I enjoyed your series of fixing the controller box). I have the 12" Turncrafter that I would want to use. But I have noticed (and there are numerous on-line posts that also mention) that one of the characteristics of Turncrafters is that the tailstock is a little loose, and can wobble from side to side until it is locked down. I know from other projects that I have done that tailstock sloppiness can cause drilling problems. It is possible to correct for the inherent sloppiness in the Turncrafter by creating an on-axis dimple in the blank, and then centering the tailstock and drill bit to that dimple.
What has been your experience with the Turncrafter in doing kitless pens? I know that kitless translates into precision machining (which is appealing to me), but have you been able to satisfactorily overcome the inherent wobble in the Turncrafter tailstock?
Hello Louie,
There is sloppiness in the tail stock. Usually when I clean up the end of a blank the tool will leave a dimple at the center. I use a starter bit and align it with that spot then lock the TS down. I do the same when I approach with the bit. That has worked well for me and I am drilling straight holes.
Regards,
Bob
Custom tenon tool - sharpen the short end of a cheap end wrench. Turn it close, then use the wrench, sharpened leg up. It'll act like a skew doing a planing cut & when it reaches the size, it'll slip forward and stop cutting. Get a whole set at HF or Menards for under $10. =)
Thank you.
Regards,
Bob
Bob, thanks for the update. however, it seems for a "kitless" pen, it requires a big toolkit.
LOL, it sure does. It’s way cheaper to purchase the parts and press it together.
Regards,
Bob
But not nearly as much fun.
Premium tools and premium effort calls for a premium price tag when selling them! $$
Thanks for making these videos. I am also at that point where I want to take my pens to the next level but wasn’t really sure what, or how, to do it. I see you use round blanks that are longer than 5”- are you making your own? What about using metal lathes?(I see lots of custom pen makers using them).
Metal lathes should work just fine. I will start making my own blanks soon. I’ve been purchasing for the time being.
Regards,
Bob
Thank you for this! I've been wanting to do bespoke pens for a long time, and had no idea how to go about it. What was the gathering you went to? It sounds like a really good one to attend.
Thank you Erik.
The gathering was the Mod-Ohio Valley Pen Turners Gathering in Belpre WV. It happens again this year in September.
I'd really like to know your opinion now regarding those Harbor Freight bits you show at the beginning of the video.
HF is usually not my first choice for tools. I only use these bits for Bespoke and they have not let me down. Hello am happy with them.
Could you put in the description where you got the pen nibs? Thanks
Hello Mark.
www.fpnibs.com.
Kitless sounds really exciting. As I think about it, however, without a kit, where do you get the transmissions, tubes, clips, etc.? I'll be watching you :>)
LOL, you make them.
Regards,
Bob
Bob, Do you have a link or website for the Jonathan Vest mandrels? Great concise video - very helpful.
As far as i know he’s only on Facebook. Search: Jonathan B. Vest
Tell him I sent you.
Any suggestions for prices close to the IAP group buy?
Jim Hinze at Hinze Pens On Facebook is the guy for that. I just put my name on the list and he did the rest.
Regards,
Bob
Hi, what Lathe are you using or what do you recommend to turn fountain pens?
Any lathe will work as long as it has very little play in the bearings and good alignment between the head and tail stock.
Regards,
Bob
This! I want to do this. I've been reading that can attempt to cut threads with course tap/dies just to learn the ropes. Do you recommend learning this way? I don't know what I don't know so I'm coming into this blind. I am leary of buying specialized tools before I have a pretty good idea that I can or will continue down this road. What are your thoughts? Most of the woodworking (I'm being liberal with that term as I mostly tinker) I have learned with videos or trial and error. This seems a tad expensive to go off half cocked. So any advise is greatly appreciated.
Joshua
Hello Joshua,
This is an expensive endeavor. I think using course taps and dyes is a great way to learn. You will also get lots of ideas for other pens.
Regards,
Bob
@@RJBWoodTurner Thank you! You are a gentleman and a scholar. I will keep reading and looking to your videos for hints and tips.
@@RJBWoodTurner Good morning, just wondering out loud about something. What would possibility be to insert a metal band near section and one near end of barrel then placing magnet in cap? I'm guessing probably could happen with a little imagination. Maybe would eliminate need for as many thread cuttings. Anyway, just a thought. Any ideas?
Bob, I know this video is a bit old and I'm going to be watching your other kitless pen videos but do you still hold these tap and die sizes are the ideal ones to start with? I'm getting ready to purchase and want a perspective before hand.
Honestly,
I spoke to a kit less pen maker and purchased exactly what he recommended. If I knew then what I know now, I would have purchased single start tap and dies to start out. Not a big deal when your starting out.
You can always add the triple start when you perfect your pen making.
Here’s my tool list:
drive.google.com/file/d/1hn5NwMEyKY8RsDuvUk67lnjb54O-sSGA/view?usp=drivesdk
I also would have started with Parker style pens and waited to purchase the Jowo tap, it’s pricy.
You can even make your own mandrel with brass and a carbide tool.
I hope this helps.
Regards,
Bob
@@RJBWoodTurner awesome, thanks for the info, Bob!
I notice in your tool list you purchased an extra larger tap holder and extra larger die holder for the sliding tap/die tool. With the 2 each tap and die holders that come with the tool, that means you have 3 each of different sizes of tap and die holders. Just wondering if in the process of making the kitless pen, you actually use all 3 sizes of each tap and each die holder? (Just wondering if all are necessary and if I can cut costs by reducing some of the pieces of kit :) )
I haven’t yet, it was recommended that I purchase them for future use. My hope it to turn a few more pens and do a sort of Bespoke on a budget video of the bare necessities. Being new to the hobby, I had to rely on what others were telling me because I didn’t know.
Regards,
Bob
Which of the tap holders and which of the die holders have you used on a bespoke pen? Thanks for all the info. You are so open to share all your info and experiences and it is much appreciated.
There are two of each that come with the system. I use the larger ones every time so far. Regards, Bob
Are those single or multistart taps?
All are single except for the M13 X1. I want the caps to start quickly.
Regards,
Bob
And how much does all this stuff cost? I would like to get into making them
Here’s a link to a PDF I made with all the equipment.
drive.google.com/file/d/1hn5NwMEyKY8RsDuvUk67lnjb54O-sSGA/view?usp=drivesdk
Regards,
Bob
If I were to ask someone to make these mandrels, what would I tell them to make for them to be able to do it.
You can get them here:
www.turnerswarehouse.com/?ref=8zgq7wolkt-
(Search for Mandrels)
@@RJBWoodTurner I can't seem to find a section mandrel there. Where would I get that.
Do yo mean the mandrel saver, if you do I get that at www.pennstateind.com.
Hey Bob, did you know you can use an open end wrench to make a cutter? :-P Sorry, Bud, I just HAD to go there...
Thank you.
Regards,
Bob
OUCH!
After turning this way for a while, I’m learning what is not a necessity. I need to do a follow up at some point and amend this list.
Regards,
Bob
It probably wouldn't be too bad if I could recoup some of the money but my pen-making is a hobby...75% of my pens are given away and the ones I sell are pretty much sold at cost. BTW...Many thanks for all your videos. I've learned a great deal from you and one thing I've learned is...you are fearless! I love your 'let's see if I can do this' attitude...keep it up!
How are you able to tap wood? It destroys wood when I try.
I’d soak it in C/A. Tap it, then soak the threads. Then tape it again. I haven’t done it yet but that’s my plan for when I do.
Regards,
Bob
Thank you Bob! I'll try it next weekend and tell you how it goes, hopefully.
Tenoning tool:
vermontfreehand.com/product/adjustable-tenon-turning-tool/
Thank you Gene,
I have one of Jim Hinze’s tenon tools. It wouldn’t fit in my Jacobs chuck.
I have a larger chuck on the way.
Regards,
Bob
@@RJBWoodTurner Thanks, Bob. At the time of the seminar (I got the recordings) Jim had not had a chance to get the tool produced. Since it was originally his idea, I will try to purchase from him.
Jim has a website now:
www.hinzepens.com/penmaking_tools/Tenon-Cutter
Those drill bits with the numbers aren't metric. They are number drills. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit_sizes#Number_and_letter_gauge_drill_bit_sizes
Thank you.
Regards,
Bob