The problem with modern tithing is that it goes to people who were never chosen by God to be ministers. 99.99% of modern preachers/pastors do it as a source of income/career not actual calling and they always hear the voice of God when it comes to asking for money but they never hear the voice of God when someone is in need.
John 14: 21- 23 hose who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. My Father will love those who love me; I too will love them and reveal myself to them. You maybe right in your observation and resentments but the truth here is as much as this command has received great criticism amongst believers and non, it is God's. So obedience to His word is better than sacrifice. The taxes we pay to government, are not resourcefully used for needs if citizens but you mandatorily pay it then why should we question tithing, just follow the lead of Holy Spirit, its for your spiritual benefit. Stay blessed 🙏✌
Tithing is for the Israelites in the old testament.. Now church age, we are to support our true Christian borthers and sisters specially who gave their full life in spreading the word of God and taking care of who are truly in need.
@Jerry-vx2kj The levies did not have land. Most preachers today are wealthy so no they do not need a tithe. However in this time we are in known as Jacobs trouble. How is it you do not seem to know who Jacob is. The Germanic, Scandinavian, Celtic, Anglo-Saxon peoples. I mean this is internet age. Information flows freely as water from a stream.
And how did you know they are not chosen? Who made you a judge? What happened in the house of Eli, where Samuel was chosen? God cannot be mocked. Do the possible and let God do the impossible.
Lex, you had it right the first time. One of the problems with this presentation is the assertion that all 3 tithes were universal, eternal commandments. Biblical, systematic tithing was facilitated through ceremonial and civil ordinances under Mosaic Law. These existed to support the Old Covenant system of sacrificial atonement which is now obsolete. None of the tithing ordinances were amended to include money as a tithe deliverable. There's no such thing as a tithe received from earned wages that's paid to a religious organization. Not New Testament, or Old. Another problem is that the book of Hebrews is about a change in Priesthood, not a change in tithing ordinances. No one can literally, materially "tithe to Jesus" today. He isn't physically here and now our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. The metaphor of "tithing to Jesus" represents acknowledging him as our High Priest forever. It's not about paying money to a religious organization, although there's nothing wrong with doing so as a form of systematic giving. 1 Corinthians 9:13 says nothing about tithing. The comparison of those who spread the Gospel and the Levitical Priests is not a "how to" analogy, rather it places the importance of spreading the Gospel on the same level as that which the Priesthood served. Those who spread the Gospel are worthy of the support, financial or otherwise, but there's no connection there to how tithes were received under Mosaic Law and how ministers today are supported. The Priests only received 1/10th of the Levitical tithe and it was always consumable items. We support ministers by providing them wages and financial gifts from discretionary offerings. Today's version of tithing from earned wages bears no resemblance to the practice of biblical, systematic (required) tithing. The narrative in the book of Malachi was limited within Israel (Malachi 1:1), and further narrowed towards the Levitical Priests in Malachi 1:6 and 2:1. The tithe indictments in Malachi 3 cannot be universally applied either historically or currently and they had nothing to do with money. So no, God isn't encouraging "us" to test him. It was an indictment to the Levitical Priests to carry out their full duty to bring all of the tithes rather than being selective in what they keep for themselves. There's no biblical guide to any minimum or maximum set for giving money, to a church or otherwise, only that we give not grudgingly or under compulsion, as put forward in 2 Corinthians 9:7. Sorry, but the lies that were unlearned in the first video were reinstated with this one. Blessings.
This sums it rather nicely and very hard to refute. Sadly he's fallen into the religious dogma teachings for whatever reason and has jumped on the Malachi train of "robbing God" for not tithing horribly misapplying that verse but not unexpected. I'm hoping he sees the error of his ways if not mines well change the channel name to, RE-learn the lies!
I listened to this video yesterday and was going to post something very similar to what you just posted. So, now I don't have to. Great summary and Amen.
Teaching false doctrine, and preaching legalism causes many to stumble. Many people avoid church because they don't feel that the tithing doctrine is correct. I have a lot of respect for a preacher that has the guts to tell the truth about tithing. It is for the old testament for Israel only. Why did Jesus not reinforce tithing? He only spoke of giving.
This is ridiculous, yes tithing is biblical, Jesus clearly says give to Cesar what is Cesar’s and give to God what is Gods. Since this account is recorded when someone asked if they were required to pay taxes we know that this is in reference to monetary distribution, the only monetary distribution God has ever asked us to partake in is tithes. As someone who was not even a Christian for most of my life I find these types of arguments disgusting. Since being baptized and paying tithes I have had so many blessings. Just last year I was laying on my couch after church and knew I needed to get some things to make it thru the week until I got paid. I checked my savings and I had $11, my checking had nothing but some change. The next day at work I was praying and I heard the spirit tell me to check my savings again. At first I didn’t bc I knew I had just checked it, then on lunch I prayed again and received the same message. So I checked and had $57, it was just enough to get what I needed and make it through with $7 left over until I got my check on Thursday. This is just one of many experiences I’ve had of being blessed after paying my tithes
@@scottrobinson9334 Tithing is not giving. It is Old Testament law for Israel only. I suppose that when you quote Jesus when he says give unto Cesar what is Cesar and to God what is Gods, that you mean tithing. I suppose you are going equate "bring all your tithes into the Storehouse" with mandatory tithing to some church.... I tithed for fourteen years and was always broke. God does not reward legalism. If your children are going without, and you are instead enriching some pastor, you think that is ok? What if you are tithing to a pastor that preaches false doctrine? Are you still required to tithe to this pastor? The tithing argument today does not hold water.
I never said anything about mandatory tithing, I pointed out that the only time God has ever asked us to give money to the church that was speaking about tithing. And when Jesus said that about giving to Cesar and God he was asked about whether followers of Christ were required to pay taxes or give their money to God only. Another place Jesus spoke about was in Matthew and yes, He said we should focus on charitable deeds like mercy and faithfulness but also tithe Matt 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.” All I was doing was pointing out that my life has been blessed many times from tithing. That doesn’t mean that there is money unaccounted for appear in my account every week, nor even every month, in fact many times I barely make it from paycheck to paycheck, in fact I’m almost broke now with only $7 to last until Thursday morning. But many times it has happened, but it’s always when I’m worried about how I’m going to make it next paycheck and after I pray. And most times after I’ve paid my tithes
@@scottrobinson9334 Also, if you are struggling from one paycheck to another, and you are "paying your tithe," that means that you have no money to give to anything else. When God speaks to you to bless someone, you can't do it because you have no extra money after paying it to a church that already has plenty of money.
How many of you have been tithing for years but still have empty rooms in your house? When scripture said “if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing” do we not understand it said “A BLESSING”? It never said blessings. That blessing was rain, nothing else. Not money, wife, husband, car, house, children, etc. “And I will rebuke the devourer”. We should go ask any farmer whether isn’t is the devil that destroys their crops or pests. Malachi 3:10-11 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. How anyone can read this and interpret it as giving 10% of their money is shocking. We think God protects us, blesses us because we give him 10%?
These religious leaders will make it say exactly what they need it to say. I'm having a hard time finding someone to explain to me how exultant praise is 'worship'. How we call spiritual music 'worship' music. Romans 12:1 is also poorly translated. Everything we do isn't worship. Worship (prostration) is worship. Latreian / Avodah is best translated as service. But it is convenient for them to say "Come to church to worship."
@@thecatalysm5658 The root of the problem is they were indoctrinated and taught lies at the seminaries. Unfortunately, most of them have not tried to verify and seek for the truth for themselves. They keep holding on to these lies.
You had it right the first time. Malachi was referring to the priest that started keeping the best for themselves. The Priest were the only ones allowed at the alter for the sacrifice. Only the sons of Aaron could be priest. There also was never any money exchanged or given as tithes or offerings. Paul also says to give out of the goodness of your heart, not reluctantly or out of compulsion. When he was talking about taking care of those in ministry, he was referring to giving, not tithing. When some Christians were demanding that the gentiles be circumcised, he basically told them that was the old law and not part of the new law. If you want to follow the old law then follow it wholly, not just the laws that you pick and choose. But then you are trying to negate everything Jesus did on the cross. The old law regarding tithes and offerings also demanded they be prepared and burned on an alter. So if you want to accept and preach tithes and offerings then you must fully comply with the rest of the requirements. You see, this is why the OT Law was fullfilled by Christian’s. The new commandments are now Love God and love one another, and to be a cheerful giver out of the goodness of your heart and not reluctantly or out of compulsion out of some law. Also, when Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war(not wages), he gave out of the goodness of his heart. He was not compelled by the priest or God. Also when the Israelites brought a 10th to the festivals, they didn’t give that 10th to the Levites. They ate it themselves and gave some of it to the Levites.
When people take Malachi out of context, they missed the wrath that God is directing towards the Priests. In fact, Malachi was written at the same time as Nehemiah. In Nehemiah, chapter 12, we read of the abuse by the Priests in regards to the storehouse.
Hey man would be willing to have a discussion on a phone call? Just loved how you exegesis the scripture. We all understand that money is touching subject but i honestly believe if it was truly something we needed to do we wouldn't even debate it. Yet that's the issue, it's debatable because we can read ourselves that such concepts are possibly obsolete in the new covenant. The new covenant says we can eat pork in gratitude towards the one who created the pig. This was not allowed in the old covenant. Tithes are 100 percent temple laws as well. The multi-purpose for tithes was not just income for a tribe with no inheritance but it also was because they were essentially payed to intercede for the sins of the nation. And you know what, if a tithe helps the people from utterly being destroy by a righteous God, there ain't no complaining about it. Yet, the new covenant says we have a spiritual mediator who makes perfect intercession for the people. The veil was literally ripped in half. I refuse to be ignorant so i therefore these preachers seem to leaving a whole lot of relevant scripture in the shadows.
@@morpheus2072 the Levites weren’t paid. They were taken care of with food from portions of the tithes and offerings. There was never any money given or excepted for tithes or offering. Tithes and offerings were always sacrificed on the alters. Do we really believe that there were monies sacrificed on an alter? On another note, tithes and offerings were only for the Israelites. The Israelites were the only ones the law was written for. No other nation or race of people followed these rules. Even after Jesus died and rose again, none of His disciples taught tithes or offerings. The closest mention of financing was Paul teaching that a worker is worthy of his wages. Even so Paul said that he worked his fingers to the bone that money would not get in the way of his teachings. Tithing is taught by preachers who are afraid that God will not take care of them. Or it’s just something they do because the previous guy did it. Either way they don’t know the word of God on this subject. God puts it on peoples heart to give. He wants them to be cheerful about it and not be commanded by someone or some law. If a preacher teaches tithes and offerings, then he needs to read all the regulations surrounding the receiving of said tithes and offering, the dimensions of the alters are very precise, then only sons of Aaron can be the priest to approach the alter. Of course not to mention all the other Leviticle laws.
Please if you read this reply to me. Why did Jesus Christ or even one of his disciples didn't receive tithe? In Hebrews 7 bible says " if priesthood change tha law also changed" by this why the paying of tithe is compulsory now yet we have told to give the poor or our pastor if we see them in need?
I gave a tithe when i had work. I was out of work and needed work from a large church and they told me "i can get kids to paint for $7.00 per hour." I was finished with the church. I love Jesus ❤ and study diligently.
The levites had no inheritance, if you or any other pastor would like to give up your property that you own, your investments and retirement, or income from youtube, books, speaking engagements or the like that would be fine to expect a tithe and remember it was not money but a portion of things from the land. We follow the Law and there are some things that cannot be followed because no temple on earth exists today that we can bring it to. Churches are not the new temple with leaders being the new levites.
Bingo. You're absolutely right. Mandatory tithe proponents hardly ever talk about the law of tithing as it pertains to receipt and distribution of tithes. They only talk about the duties of the donors.
@sharingmyloveforgod Although trading/bartering was in place back in ancient times, money currency was also. Joseph was sold by his brothers for 20 pieces of silver. Money was tithed to build Solomon's temple. Of course, there are more examples. Also, churches are *Not* the Temple now - we ourselves are the Temple. We all make up one body.
@@Michellejaneofalltrades how did our Messiah and His Discipled pay taxes? Anyway, you're getting hung up on the word 'church,' and not it's meaning. The actual meaning of 'church' is from the Latin 'circe,' which means "circus." Messiah's true assembly is His Body. Have a nice day
Why are you trying to separate gentiles from Israelites? Thats your first issue, you can fall into many false doctrines with that idea. When you accept Christ you become a spiritual Israelite and are grafted in.
There is none, what there is in the book of acts is that the early disciples sold all their possessions and shared among them freely according to need.
I will continue to work for a living and offer my online ministry for free. In my opinion Pastors and ministry workers should humbly accept donations but not expect someones tithe. I would suggest to anyone If it’s on you’re heart to give then give at any amount as a cheerful giver. Don’t fall back into the guilt trap of tithing. Can you Imagine if your father shook u down for 10% of your allowance and then said your a sinner if you don’t give it back? A loving Earthly Father would never do this let alone your Heavenly Father. This simply cannot be the case nor can it be applied today as it was in the Levitical system. The answer today is indeed simply be generous and surely you will reap what you sow. I have not tithed in many years and haven’t felt guilt nor have I been cursed financially. On the contrary I’m blessed beyond measure in so many areas and give myself away in total freedom.
@geelamar3542 : They went much further, selling all they had and sharing in common so that no one had any need. Can't see any modern day worldly material Christians doing that! 🤯
I stoped tithing when i found out about it, but i still give money to support the church, at times, more. Tithing was not your income. You give with a willing heart to support the church.
The modern day pastors are more like Eli's sons (Phinehas and Hophni; 1 Samuel 2:12-34). They are greedy and care not for the people, only what the people can do for them and what the can get out of being in the position.
I do not tithe as i no longer work due to my disabilities but i give over 10% of my monies that God has blessed me with as an offering to God every month.
This is the heart God is looking for. Willing and obedient people. I started tithing and saw for myself how God has blessed me tremendously. I have not lacked a thing neither my family. His Word is true.
My question is this: it would appear there has been a distinction made between clergy and laity. The clergy compared to the levites, and the laity the rest of Israel, however, how would we reconcile this next scripture? “and He has made US to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” Rev 1:6 NASB1995 secondly, if we are to interpret scripture with scripture, the tithing was of the produce of the land, (Lev 27:30) it was never money? How is this to be reconciled?
This teacher did Olympics scripture gymnastics to make this fit his narrative. Most preachers that teach is are directly influenced because it's their main source of income. I saw this video and he took many scriptures out of context to make it seem like it adds up.
If the ancient Israelites didn't start paying tithes in the wilderness until they got to the promised land, then why are we to pay when we are not even living on the land? I believe we are to give according to what the Holy Spirit instructs us to give to others.
Guilt should never be a motivation for determining doctrine. “Tithing” in this way is a return to “keeping the law.” It causes so many negative results and even keeps people from entering into a relationship with Yeshuah.
When people give to a church through a false doctrine of tithing, barely any of it ends up going to those who it was intended for, which is what the tithe did before the death of the Messiah. Instead, it's wasted on creature comforts such as air-conditioning, carpeting, salaries, insurance, trips, vehicles, paper, computers, stage equipment, lighting for the stage, cameras, and countless other unnecessary things while the poor and needy continue without. Paul was a tentmaker, and would never take money from the communities of God. The disciples gathered together in homes and reached out to the world with the gospel of Messiah Yeshua through their everyday lives and travels with personal relationships and faith to continue to live Torah truthfully as it's written where it's possible to accomplish. Tithing can no longer be accomplished without the temple, period, but giving cheerfully from the heart can still be practiced just as it was then. And to be totally transparent and truthful to what scripture presents, God addressed issues that were even developing with the priests in scripture misusing the tithes and not obeying God's Torah. Shouldn't we too be diligent like the Bereans to be careful not to manipulate and distort what God has established in HIS Torah for our own gain. Sad to see Lex return to manmade false doctrines.
I have been tithing for years and have seen the blessings that God promised in Malachi. I tithe 10% of my gross plus give a freewill offering. I will never give it up because i have seen how God multiplies the little i have and makes it abundant when i give my 10% (ive always seen the chaos that comes when i dont). The bible says 10% of your increase, so whether it be cash, crop or clothing, i find a way to give 10% of that. Additionally for the persons that are asking what to do if the Church is not preaching the truth as it should (I've struggled with this as well), i prayed on it and God showed me that he is in control. He calls us to give and we should give and leave the rest in his hands. And i have peace in my heart on the matter. Tithing has been a blessing to me and i hope you get to experience this blessing as well. Let everyman be fully convinced in his own mind ❤
I started tithing because my wife is a faithful tither and even when we are struggling we seem to have enough money for everything. God gives you enough of what you need.
"I started giving because my wife is a faithful generous giver and even when we are struggling we seem to have enough money for everything. God gives you enough of what you need." There, I fixed it for you. You were never under the Old Covenant (and never will be). You are under the New Covenant.
Just because GOD is gracious to bless us for what we give. Doesn't mean that it's biblical to teach as a mandate. It's up to us as believers to give as HE has prospered us and as we have purposed in our heart.
Hi, may I know the difference between Tithes, Offerings and Pledges? I came across a church where the 3 is required. Just visited the church once and did not come back anymore. I follow 2 Corinthians 9:6-7. It did not mention about Tithes and Offerings but it's about being a cheerful giver. God sees our hearts in giving... reminds me about the poor widow who put a coin in the offering box. Jesus is looking at the heart. It's not about the amount...
Biblical, systematic (required) tithing was facilitated under Mosaic Law through ceremonial and civil ordinances, like a tax. Those ordinances are now obsolete. Under the New Covenant, no compulsory tithing is mentioned, but there's nothing wrong with practicing tithing as a form of systematic giving. Offerings and pledges are voluntary unless required by the religious institution. Giving is encouraged in the Bible, especially to the poor, but we are to give cheerfully, not under compulsion.
Brother Lex, God has never commanded us nowhere in the bible to apply a principle on obeying His commandments. The bible tells us in Proverbs 3:5, to lean not on our own understanding. This is what always gets us into trouble with God. We apply our own principles to His holy scriptures instead of simply obeying Him. When we apply a principle on a commandment then we actually change the commandment itself. Giving IAW 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 is what we should be doing brother and cheerfully at that. The video you taught previously was perfectly fine because you were simply teaching the holy scriptures in their true context and did not add to them like you are doing now. I am not going to lie; what you said sounded really good; but it adds to the word of God. I have no issue with members supporting their local church building, fellow saints or even their church leaders. Please keep this in mind thought, the bible says in 2 Thessalonians 3:10, if a man does not work then he does not eat. Everyone who has the ability to get a job/career should work to earn their wages. Now if they want to go full time in the ministry and be supported by their members then it must be done in the form of freewill giving and not from tithes of money, which is no such law according to the bible. Apostle Paul was a tent maker. Jesus was a carpenter. All of the Apostles had jobs/careers. None of them demanded anyone to give them tithes of money because there is no such commandment. Everywhere you see in the holy scriptures that reference tithing is referring to food or goods. Not money and they had money during Jesus time in the flesh all the way back during Abrams time. The bible is not even clear on what other tithes Abram gave to the Lord even though we know he kept His laws and decrees, Genesis 26:5. The only thing we know is he gave a tenth to Melchezedek (A type of Christ). But, he also gave the other 90% to his soldiers and kept nothing for himself. There are many pastors out there who work regular jobs and does not require their members to support them through tithing and their ministries are being well supported through freewill offerings (IUIC, etc.). But, if church members want to support their local church leaders then I don't see anything wrong with it as long as their leaders are not telling them they must do so. To tithe money today, you would have to apply a principle, which is a violation of Deuteronomy 4:2, and Revelation 22:18-19. Abraham's, Isaac's and Jacob's tithe all ties into the nation of Israel being established later. In fact, the last commandment given concerning the tithes of food was for them to go to the Levites who also had to give a tithe. Then you had the festival tithe and the tithes for the poor. Guess what? They were food, which had to be eaten or stored away for later in the storeroom inside the Temple. God penalized those who wanted to redeem (buy back with money) their tithes by charging them 1/5 in money. When you change the tithes from food to money, you simply change the law, which is a direct violation of Deut. 4:2 and Revelation 22:18-19. Those who does so knowingly will have their place in the lake of fire. Lex, I have seen you and 119 Ministries change your stances on tithing when you had it right the first time. Stand on exactly what the law of God says concerning the tithe (food) and not allow someone to influence you otherwise. I heard someone who I dearly respect say we don't have farmers today so this is why we give money for tithes. Actually, we do have farmers today and none of them give tithes off of their livestock and they are still prospering and not cursed with a curse, per Malachi 3:9. These are the people who the grocery stores get their food to sell to their customers from. Lex, the tithe was food and not money and they had money back then, which started from Abrams day all the way to today's time. Tithes were never money. They were always food, which was last commanded to be given to the Levites. We cannot identify who a Levite is today. So we use money today in the form of freewill giving, which I highly encourage.
You are right brother. And plus if his new point of vue was correct, we shall find it into Paul’s teachings instead of “offerings not under compulsion”
When people who are not practising Christians make comments condemning good teaching for tithing, it is annoying. How do you pay the wages of those who serve at the altar? Doesn't a workman deserve his wages?
@@josephdanquah313 It's the requirement part of it that's the problem. People who tithe must understand that they do it out of desire and not compulsion. There's a lot more to the Law than just how giving should be done. Hence Paul stating that it should not be done out of compulsion.
Brethern, why are you all at odds with one another. May God give you all understanding of the matter and do as the Holy Spirit dictates to your conscience. Back biting and devoring one another does not show a world, Christ. Love in the Lord
This is clearly a deceptive argument. Ofc wouldn't have taken tithes. He wasn't a Levite priest. Matt. 23 shows Him straightforwardly telling the Pharisees that they were supposed to tithe, and the disciples were there. So to try to argue that He didn't teach the disciples to tithe is an outright lie. What we clearly don't see is Christ telling ppl not to tithe, and yet rebellious "Christians" would have ppl believe that they ought to simply assume that is true.
Matthew 23 v 23 talks about the tithe STILL being food (and very picky samples at that. Jesus admonished the Pharisees for them ignoring the 'weightier matters of the LAW ...' They were still under the law until Jesus died for our sins. New Testament example for giving is 2 Cor 9 God bless. There is no evidence he taught the disciples to tithe (unless you can prove from specific scripture by any chance?) @@theeternalsbeliever1779
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 they were still under the law. I'm not, I've been freed from the curse of the law. 99% of the gospels deal with Jewish persons, not gentile. You are one of the false teachers the Bible warns about. Show all of us in the New Testament where any of the disciples tithed or taught tithing to Gentile Christians.
The problem is not to give to the Pastor or to brothers in need, YES WE MUST GIVE. The problem is in the Tithes that is 10% of all increases but 10% are from the OT. Paul never talk about 10 % but about giving cheerfully from the heart, it can be 10% or more or whatever, and it is not only for the Pastor, it is for the all body of Christ if in need. In fact, yes 10% is a good measure but all has to be from the heart guided by the Holy Spirit in different circumstances.
Show me one place in the scriptures where tithing was money. Remember kane and abel, one of them wanted to gave Yahweh what he did not ask for and the sacrifice was refused by Yahweh, now here you are asking people to give what Yahweh did not ask for.
@@slimdude2011 the instruction in the bible for persons who live far away and their tithe is too much to travel is to sell their tithe (livestock), take it to the place where the name of Yahweh is, buy back their equivalent with the money from the market place, take it to the synagogue; therfore, there was money, additionally tithe was ALWAYS, something to eat.
Lex, You are waffling on an admittedly difficult issue. I have listened to you for advise, and as one that has continued to learn and struggle, I wish with brotherly love, to share this: Make up your mind to do what is right and pleasing to the lord.
I thought if the journey was too far you can exchange for money to use for yourselves was the "first tithe", 10% tithe, to use in a different manner because going to the feast days and celebrating was more important than not being able go at all and couldn't pay any tithe at all anyways. And there was no mention of the "first fruits" tithe.
Only animals and grains raised from within the promised land were acceptable as tithes. Only farmers of animals and/or grains were required to tithe, and the would only tithe from the increase over the previous year. The Messiah, the disciples, blacksmiths, and other common trades didn't tithe, nor were they required to tithe. Currency was strictly forbidden to be used as a tithe. What you're referring to is the requirements for the farmers of animals and/or grains raised from outside the promised land because it was too far to travel with the tithe, let alone the fact they weren't acceptable as a tithe from outside of the promised land. They would sell them and use the money for whatever their heart desires, they and their entire household were to spend it all and celebrate with it in Jerusalem, not given or used for a tithe at the temple. Giving isn't equal to tithing and is an entirely separate act of love. Giving cheerfully from the heart is what we taught to be doing, not tithing. Then there's the argument also with regards to when people give to a church through a false doctrine, barely any of it ends up going to those who need it. Instead, it's wasted on creature comforts such as air-conditioning, carpeting, salaries, insurance, trips, vehicles, paper, computers, stage equipment, lighting for the stage, cameras, and countless other unnecessary things while the poor and needy continue without. Paul was a tentmaker, and would never take money from the communities of God. The disciples gathered together in homes and reached out to the world with the gospel of Messiah Yeshua through their everyday lives and travels with personal relationships and faith to continue to live Torah truthfully as it's written and where it's possible to accomplish. Tithing can no longer be accomplished without the temple, but giving cheerfully from the heart can be practiced.
I appreciate the video. I’m still in agreement with your original as this video was very far from convincing, especially the aspect of recognizing preachers as Levites. Shalom
I have a problem with the word 'pay' to start with, under the new covenant its a heavy word under grace , Christ has paid the ultimate price. Anything that we do we do so compelled by love and free will, I stand to be corrected
WOW!!!!!!!!!!YOU JUST KICKED A HORNETS NEST. I agree with your previous video (no tithe) but I am new to Torah, I will pray on this. Good luck with your following.
Rather, "good luck with all that" trying to place new covenant believers under any part of the law of Moses, "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:3). "I testify again to every man who is circumcised that he is obligated to keep the WHOLE LAW. (see Galatians 5:3,). "Messiah is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believes." (Romans 10:4).
@@richardstark1977 Prove the old covenant, mentioned in Hebrews, has anything to do outside of animal sacrifice no longer being acceptable and Christ being the new sacrifice. Otherwise you are taking scripture out of context.
Send me my 10% as well In fact, we are all consecrated priests through Baptism, as Peter in 1 Peter 2[:9] says, "You are a royal priesthood and a priestly kingdom," and Revelation [5:10], "Through your blood you have made us into priests and kings."
I don't know what to think yet, tithes were never about "gold" or some sort of currency. Take a merchant for example..... He had 100 sheeps, he gave the tithe of 10 out of those 100, but the remaining 90, he sold 40 and kept 40..... he had already gave the "tithe" of the "produce of the earth", the tithe was never meant to come from "the money from the sheeps you sold" I'll use the phrase again, "produce of the earth", in other words, totally free for us from God's pocket, so he demands that 10% out of the 100% he gave you for free.... Tithes comes from the produce of the earth which was also used to sell and negotiate and turn into money. Nowadays we only work for money, and a few barely get produce of the earth for free. The world itself has turned the economy system upside down so that we depend on our money for everything and to have the right to earn money you depend of the government and whatever... The world's economic system has stripped us of "the produce of the earth" in order to steal from us the opportunity to "tithe" correctly, if at all. The topic remains one of the most difficults to explain and understand because the more people study it the more they confirm that "back then" the tithes came from your "working of the earth" by planting, breeding etc.... But now we dont work the earth to get our things, we work someone else's business to get currency but that doesnt necesarily qualify "currency" as a fund to tithe from. And thats without going in deeper to the "land of abundance".... God gave Israel a land that would produce "abundance" and from that abundance they were expected to tithe from said abundance. If back then I lived in a desert and a land of scarcity that can barely grow anything and could only live by with earning gold, from where would I tithe? So you see,.... tithes where asked from people who were blessed with the land to get those tithes from.... The excuse nowadays would be.... "God blessed you a job that earns currency, so tithe from it"... but that.... really sounds as an abusive and misleading idea. Now, if I have a garden.... and a farm.... and can "earn free things" from the earth, then by all means I should give all those tithes to the poor the widows, the stranger and even the preachers so that they can eat and live and keep preacing, not tithe them enough to get them a mansion or a jet.... Tithes are meant to help those in need, material and spiritual not to fill the pockets of preachers with corruptible things that will stay on the earth and persish with it. I'm still more sided to your first video than this one, and the weird thing is that this one has more than enough info to make the first one even more valid. What we as body of Christ, our high priest should be doing is to "buy" things with our currency that helps others in need.... buy the food, water, clothes, shelter, help them get the tools so they can work too etc.... But by putting money in the hands of someone who "might" use it to satisfy the flesh instead of the spirit we are not really helping them, we are spoiling them..... Want to donate $10,000?? DO IT!!! But there's a big difference between giving $10,000 dollars to a family that just lost their home due to a forestal fire and to a preacher which used the money as a downpayment for a luxury car which he deserved because he works hard in thr ministy..... Where would God's heart be? Helping those in need or satisfy the flesh of someone who's mind is set on worldly curriptible things..... Earrn treasures in heaven, not in earth. Thats just my opinion though, God bless you all
Ever try to pay the electric bill with a lamb today? How about the gas bill with chickens?? Currency today is a “bit” different than then🤦🏽… I love having a warm church here in CO in the winter! How is the church suppose to get that… but it amazes me how many “so-called” Christian’s work harder at not paying than having Faith!!(Heb 11:6)
Ever try to pay the electric bill with a lamb today? How about the gas bill with chickens?? Currency today is a “bit” different than then🤦🏽… I love having a warm church here in CO in the winter! How is the church suppose to get that… but it amazes me how many “so-called” Christian’s work harder at not paying than having Faith!!(Heb 11:6)
I think when Paul speaks of giving he was careful not to use the word tithe as it always is referred to as the 10%. There was no mention of the amount to be given but Paul encouraged them to contribute as the Lord led them to give. This contribution Paul teaches is the freewill offering. Unlike tithe that was mandatory under the law freewill offering was not bound by the law. So to say that the church tithe is to bring the church back under the law. But freewill offering has no such law and is not mandatory therefore I would say Paul was right not to use the word tithe when giving to the ministry of the church. Most of the confusion in the debate about tithe is not understanding that freewill offering was taught by Paul and not tithing.
i do not agree, i think you are reading into the text. Holy things are holy and you do not get to tweak it to fit a perspective. Some things are only meant for where He places His name, Jerusalem, and you cant decide that you will do it somewhere else. The Levites are God's portion of the people and are not to be confused with pastors, who have no connection. Gifts are fine to whoever you wish to gift, but tithes are a different matter. All three of your text scripture is still within the gates of where God puts his name. Don't mix the holy.
Can i do Passover here in Orlando where I live? No, I can do a remembrance meal but not Passover, Why? Because you can only do it within the area of the Temple just like when Judah was in captivity they placed a shank bone of a lamb on the plate, not the meat of the lamb. Same thing with Tabernacles, you cant do it here, you can remember it, but not call it Tabernacles. People who are weak in the teachings will start doing things as if it were the actual law, and its not, and they will be confused.
People always use Abraham as a backup ploy as well as the old chestnut "tithing preceded the law". Abraham tithed very occasionally it wasn't monthly. Tithing is only relevant to the OLD Covenant Israelites and Levites, not modern day Christians. I have no conviction to tithe at all. I GIVE freely and without being guilt tripped by covetous pastor's who love money more than Jesus.
Levites are definitely Holy unto God. I know I would not want to touch the Ark of Covenant if I lived in OT and was not a Levite. No comparison to todays pastors.
Amen to you guys. there is no such thing as tithe in the gentile church. We were given a high bar on giving than the mosaic law. Jesus changed all that with His sacrifice.
Glad to see you successfully worked through these questions. I have been tithing for nearly 50 years now, and God has been faithful to bless and protect us through many troubles. The early years were lean, but the blessing kept adding up in most amazing ways. Consider this: how will the nations be able to go up to Jerusalem year by year to keep Sukkot if not for 2nd tithe (cf. Isa 2:2-4, Zech 14:16-17)? Hag Sameach!
@ManfredYB The name of my channel isn't Unlearn the Lies. My internal motivator is to end the codependency that Christian leaders strive to create with their constant corruption, obfuscation, and conflation of words in the Bible. Maybe you can explain why ktaomai is used in Luke 18:12 instead of misthos or opsonion. I'll help, the latter two terms actually DO relate to wages or income - but they weren't used. Instead, a word related more to possessions was used. Wouldn't you expect the opposite if we are supposed to tithe from our income?
Lex, Bless you and all of us seeking truth. It is my heart's desire that we can have an contextual biblical discussion. My problem with this teaching is that God said in Numbers 18:8 that the tithe was an " ordinance forever". Being a Levite is a bloodline call. It appears that you reasoned into your conclusion that the ministers wages are also to be called a tithe. Paul rightly days that those who preach the gospel shall live from the gospel. He did not say that they are receiving of the ordinance that was granted to the Levites forever. I can't get past God saying " all the tithes" of the children of Israel forever. From Numbers 18:8-12 He keeps saying, "all." In verses 8 & 19 "as an ordinance forever." He made it known that it is His and He is giving it to them and theirs forever. Paul never calls it a tithe or a tenth in 1 Corinthians. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Does he assign a percentage at all? When I saw this title I went into anxiety. Have I been wrong also? I don't yet see that we missed God. The tithe forever belong to the Levites, Aaron and His sons. The ministers are too be taken care of from those who receive.
Much respect for correcting yourself. God does want us to tithe and those who do so He blesses in return. Some people are going to always look for a reason not to tithe. One thing about God, He doesn’t force you to do anything. It’s as simple as if you want more; give, if you want less; keep your money. We have to obey the entire Bible not just the parts that can be manipulated to our own benefit. Check your heart if you call yourself a Christian and don’t want to tithe.
I feel all of these large churches are cash cows IF they’re using the funds for people that are not getting help! Do not think it can’t be taken away in a moments time! Sorry but not sorry the Church has failed big time in America! Start building hope and allowing those in temporary need or full time need to Have a small space to grow food , and to have a community of like minded in faith and build tiny homes to help. Banks will be taking back churches , and I’ve witnessed that here in my town. Do Gods will, Repent of greed and help the people in the need
So what is the Biblical math on tithing ? 10% for your church, 10% for feasts and 10% for widows and fatherless. That is 30% of your income. Or is it 10% in total and divide it by 3, keeping the one for the poor and handing it out once every three years. Like how do you put this into your budget? Anyone please respond.
@@thecatalysm5658 Taxes on taxes I know I just rounded to 40% It's alot more Sad thing is we get very little for all the taxes and if you add the poor man's tax = inflation you can see why nobody wants to work.
First and foremost you must understand that this tithing was and never was intended to be paid with money and it wasn't an income based tax ,in fact only landowners who raised farm produce and or herds from the promised land were required to even bring this tithe of produce
Thank you so much for correcting this...because when we tithed we were so blessed ..n then my husband thought like you that we did not have to...but I knew this was not true ...I'm so thankful that you did this video...we love your teachings and appreciate your ministry
@@Family-pj4zm Malachi 3:10 (NKJV) “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the Lord of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it.”
@Family-pj4zm andd6 Matthew 22:21. Render unto Ceasar... I don't feel like looking it up, copying and pasting, so check it out. Give Ceasars what is Ceasars; which is the government and render unto God what is God's
John 2:21 Jesus is the temple, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Our bodies are also His temple. Hebrews 4:14 Jesus is the Great High Priest in heavenly sanctuary 1 Peter 2:9 We are a royal priesthood If we are already working as a team with Jesus, do we still need to tithe as an obligation?
What done happened to you sir? You had it right initially. When you brought up Malachi the 3rd chapter I almost fell out of my chair If you know the Malachi story the people did bring their tithes. I was the back slidden priest who misused the tithes. Please go back and correct this sir
Very good Information on purpose. Another question is what did the people of God do with what they had after the tithe? Were they allowed to waste it or did they maintain a mentality of generosity and community with the extra??? Hmmm
Paul said in one of the epistles give how the Lord has prospered you. Plus the tithe was 3 tithes plus offering for the widows , the fatherless and the Levitts.
Is it that you would take 10 % for your church or ministery and another 10 for the feast days and another for seniors a total of 30% set aside or how would this work mathematically
Ancient Israel didn't have a modern welfare system of taxes. Most Americans pay an average of 15 to 35 percent of his or her money in the form of a graduated tax system. Ancient Israel had a 23.3 percent tax system of tithes. Give according to how God leads you in the New covenant. 2 Corinthians 9:7. Therefore, most people have the ability to receive some unemployment if they have a job loss, police, and fire protection. Of course property taxes that pay for public schools etc.
Should a farmer tithe on their gross or net income LoL strain at knats. Some yrs can loose money. What then ? It's a matter of the heart. Not the letter of the law. Some winder if tithe should be on their 401K. LoL. Cheat , steel , lie, be covtousness ( call it good lol) the worry about tithing. Lol. Yeh maybe be like the rich young ruler. Stop trusting worldly wealth..Sell 'all : - give to the poor. And start trusting and ttuelly following the real JESUS. and really make HIM the true LORD of ourselves. Solar eclipse in April. Forms Captal "A" over all North Americia..WAKE up is this the beginning of the.7 yr transition. To the next 1000 yrs. What is this yr this fall etc going to bring. Yet some worry about their 401 K LoL
There seems to be a lot of jumping back and forth from Old Testament to New. My question is this: Are we under grace (New Testament) or bound by law (Old Testament)? If we are under grace then why are we obeying laws from the Old Testament? And if we are commanded to obey the "laws" then why are we not taught to abide by ALL of them? I am not suggesting that we should not give to the church, but referring to the Ole Testament tithe as a guideline seems wrong.
LEX, I KNOW YOU ALREADY KNEW THE "BACKLASH" YOU WOULD GET FOR DOING THIS REVISION, AND NO DISRESPECT INTENDED TO EVERYONE THAT HOLDS TO AN OPPOSING VIEW, I WANT TO =THANK YOU= FOR SPEAKING WHAT YOU FEEL IS =TRUE= AND =CORRECTING= WHAT YOU FEEL IS ERROR.... ==REGARDLESS== OF THE BACKLASH YOU KNEW YOU WOULD RECEIVE.... THANK YOU.
@@frc744I’ve been here before. I think it’s best to give the teacher in this case the benefit of the doubt. I don’t buy in to his teaching on this at all. I also am trying to avoid taking offense at causing a backlash when trying to point out an error. I guess this is social media after all.
Its not a backlash when someone is making error ,,, Obvious we have people who read the bible also ,,, You can't make a video that has lots on incorrect information and then expect everyone to clap for you
The thing is the giving practiced by early Christians was not tithing or 10%. It was giving according to each ones heart's desire. Tithing is legalism.
What is it going to take for followers of Yahuah to finally understand and discern that once we are consecrated to Yah we no longer offer any other sacrifice apart from our whole self. To give and to support the “church” or any other members of the body of Christ should be a natural part of our commitment to love YHWH and others as ourselves. I am so disappointed in this “new” revision. There’s such a lack of understanding throughout the churches on this topic.
I'm sorry lex I love you but you are erroneously teaching something here that was specified to be for the Levites. I love your ministry and would support you in a heartbeat wherever I can because I believe you mostly teach truth but don't do this, this would be adding to the word shalom.
I am so glad that I am no longer under the law to all these rules. Jesus set me free, he redeemed me out of that system. He knew i had broken all the laws but now I am free from ALL my debt it is paid off by him forever.
THe subject of tithing shouldn't be a controversey. THough, in this NT era, 10% shouldn't be mandated, I see it as a starting poiint: some well off can afford to give more, but others can't give that much. Therefore, they can give in other ways, like giving of time and talents. Above all, we all should WANT to tithe and offer and look forward to it. We can all tithe in money, time and/or talents and there's absolutely no reason not to. The 2 common excuses are: "I don't have time", but they can be found at parties Saturday nite and makes us question their salvation. The other is "there's nothing left over after I pay the bills" when many of them have many tatoos or fancy cars. And everyone should be willing to financially support any cause they beleive in, to put our money where our mouths are.
I had stopped tithing because I listened to another preacher who submitted some thoughts as you did in the old video. Lord I repent openly and will return to tithing as you instruct 🙌
So "now" you have been enlightened. You NOW believe its a sin NOT to tithe. Paul, Peter, nor John did not teach it. In fact, when Paul does deal with it....."let every man give as he has purposed in his own heart"..... he tells the rich to be willing to share in Timothy (why did he NOT mention tithe?) Lastly, the church for the most part IS NOT IN ANY NEED $$$$ IMO. Rather repentance and seeking the Lord. The man in the video says it all belongs to the Lord. Exactly!!!!! Not just 10%. Hence, if God has our heart we give that which He would have us to. In some cases more. This accords with 2 Cor.
You made a point! In 1 Corinthians 9:7-11 but it didn’t say tithe?? Living from the gospel doesn’t mean tithing… maybe it’s offering or maybe it’s tithing??, but God loves a cheerful giver!
I trust your interpretation more today because you are willing to accept that something might be wrong on your part. I'm not saying you were wrong. I'm saying if you find that you might have been wrong, you will stand accountable 👍. Thanks for your vigorous work. I have 2 choices, either never read the Bible or do everything I can to know who God is. I can read well, but do not comprehend the Bible well enough. Again, thank you very much, lex.
Read exploits of Faith you will read the Bible and comprehend it well with time and your life will change forever your wealth your health your spirit your self - everything will change 👍
This is a bit disappointing compared to previous video. This is like re-learning the lies. I respect your views. I think you didn't employ the timelines/covenants/generations. In the New Testament, we are all Levites or priests in the kingdom. You are trying to put new wine in the old wine skin
Always take care of your preacher ... especially if he is a good one . But always check him out . Tithing 10% of what you have to give is what I always believed to be the norm . But it's important to tithe where you are fed. My opinion.
So should we give the ministers grain and milk? because the tithes no where in scripture is ever money. Sir I don't know what happened since the first tithing video, but you are absolutely wrong in this teaching. You are trying to bend the scripture to satisfy your own desire. We must rightly divide the Word of God not try to make it fit our agenda.
Question in Deut 14:24-26, The tithes that you were to carry was in the form of food. In this Scripture if you were able to carry the tithe you would then eat the tithe(food) at the place where God chooses to put his name(place of worship)?
If you are a Son of Jacob, with the Temple in Jerusalem, and the Levites are ministering in the Temple? If so, then you must tithe and don’t forget to bring an animal sacrifice. “The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel..” Not the church.
I think you are correct that tithing is still necesarry, but I think when you don't have livestock or a farm it is very difficult to translate this to what the law actually requires. In my opinion tithing shows that we are depending on God for a bountiful harvest and give back from the land. It makes only sense that if you don't own land, it should be your income, because if you did own land and give out 10% isn't that exactly the same as giving 10% of your income? If you read the whole bible about about giving, 10% should be an embarrassing low amount if we only should give that. It is however a trend I think within churches to find the bare minimum. Should we tithe? Is it necessary? Should we still celebrate the feast or is it not necessary? I see less and less believers asking what more we can do to show our love instead of finding out what we don't have to do anymore! We should have a heart of giving and find out in the end that we gave out like 25% percent of our blessings. Thank you Lex for this message!
The Law says that _anything_ that can qualify as income is to be tithed. Ppl subscribe to the extremely false notion that it can only be crops or livestock, but Gen. 14 shows Abraham tithing battle spoils.
Was Abraham commanded to give a tithe? Scriptures only show this was the only time Abraham tithe after a battle . Also what did He do with the remaining 90 percent? Then follow His example all the way and don’t pick just part of it.
1Cor. 9:13. I have NEVER heard the gospel from Sunday Christianity. No matter how true the message/teaching of salvation is, it is not the gospel Christ taught, and demanded be preached. Mk. 1:14-15.
How do you explain that carpenters, fishermen, tax collectors, physicians, basically all non agriculture related professions did not tithe? Abram did not tithe off of his tremendous wealth, no hint of him doing this systematically, only the spoils of war.
Nope this isnt truthful at all. Christ lives in us now and we are all instructed to tell the world about Him. It isnt the duty of someone who goes to "ministry school" to spread the gospel. We are all carriers of THE KINGDOM.
it seems hard to believe that God requires something that is simply not very clear. i don't see a slam dunk on either side of the debate and highly respected theologians differ on the understand of tithing, as well.
@@MichelleChidembo a ministry of God and the poor... even though you can't find a church that you are 100% in agreeance with we are called to have corporate worship...please try to find a local church to fellowship with
🗨 Michelle 🗨 This is one of the reasons I'm a little intrigued by those who can't make a stand to join a church. If you feel there's none out there for your particular beliefs, why not start your own denomination, or at least a ministry. This way no need be confused over the matter. If this suggestion might not be an option for you, then consider paying tithe to a church denomination you feel most comfortable with. We know that God delights in a cheerful giver and your contributions won't go unnoticed by God. Happy tithe giving! 😇
🗨 Suresh 🗨 Yes, it's so good that Lex is willing to acknowledge if he was wrong. I believe he's sincere in his teachings and wants to share the truth only.
At the end of the day, you can't argue against peoples' testimonies. Mine is included in the myriad of stories of how God has blessed them immeasurably when they return their tithe and give above and beyond that as the Spirit leads. Is it a sin not to tithe? After all of this research into what tithing really meant and what it now means, I'm not sure. What I do know though, is that since my wife and I started tithing and giving above and beyond that, there is immense peace, joy, and protection in our marriage. We have never lacked necessities. Can we buy anything we want? Certainly not. The blessings God can pour out on us stretch far above financial, and I never want to stop tithing as many know it today because it isn't what many people originally thought it meant or it's not "required."
No, you can't argue against people's testimonies about tithing, many of which will tell you that they simply went broke. And subjective evidence has no bearing on biblical truth. Today's version of tithing from earned wages has no biblical precedent so it can't be seen as a universal mandate but there's nothing wrong with practicing tithing by choice to a church or otherwise, with money or otherwise.
@@markb7067 Hmm, I've spoken to many Christians who tithe regularly, and even give above and beyond that as the Spirit leads, and have not once heard of someone going broke. Obviously if you give 10%, then go out and buy a bunch of luxuries you can't afford with your budget and then blame it on God for making you go broke, that's a different story. To say that tithing is making people go broke, it sounds like the issue does not lie in their giving 10% to the church. My wife and I have had tough seasons financially, but we always give 10% off the top and God always provides what we need.
What a great teaching. I would add choosing your temple / church carefully. Does your pastor know and swear by the name of the father whom I know as Yehovah? Does your pastor know and keep the sacred days? Jer 12:16-17??? Praise His Holy Name
A 'requirement' to tithe is a legalism. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. He came to fulfill the law on our behalf. He paid my bill in full. Now, instead of paying 23.33% of my income compulsorily, I seek to give whatever amount God leads me to give, to whom God leads me to give. This includes the Holy Spirit telling me to hand money the other day to a woman I'd never met; I saw her, the Lord told me the amount I should hand her, and I acted in obedience; all glory to God, for I am just cooperating with Him in love. About 25 years ago I read an old book called _The Tithe in Scripture_ by Henry Lansdell. At the time I believed in the requirement to tithe. Lansdell taught on the 3 different tithes and his writing fully supported tithing as a requirement.... but as I read, the Lord ministered truth to me, and when I'd finished the book I knew Lansdell was incorrect. We have been set free from "do the requirements, *or else!"* and now we are to give cheerfully and willingly as we purpose in our hearts (by the leading of the Holy Spirit) to *give.*
I understand Old Testament tithing… but wasn’t tithing apart their tax system? Some of us are paying 40% of our income in taxes to the government … how can we afford to pay another 10% to our church? Most of us can’t live off of 50% of our income. And we can’t get a true teaching on this because it’s pastors who teach it, so of course they want us to give them our money. This is actually stressing me out.
Thank you for revisiting this important topic. I’ve watched your previous video about tithe a few times and though I agreed with some of what you said, I questioned the rest. You obviously learned or discovered more since and I admire you for admitting and correcting an error. We’re always learning. My advise to those who are unsure or don’t agree with tithing, just ask yourself how much is God worth to you? God Bless
How much is God worth to you? lol. You really don't understand what salvation is. I suggest for you to really take the time to study why we need a savior. If you do that then go back and read your comment and you will see how wrong your statement really is.
I have to say that this is by far one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen on the issue of tithing. The idea you think someone is to give according to how much God is worth to them is insane. We are clearly taught in the Bible that Jesus paid a debt that we could not ever pay. Your comment leads to salvation being earned and you don't even realize it. This is the problem with many Christians. You come up with something that sounds good but not think about where it logically leads too. Stop with phrases that have a decent sound to it. They do more damage than good
You ignored one of your main points from previous videos. You just acted like you never talked about what was actually tithed before. Nobody is against tithing, they’re against tithing incorrectly. You didn’t address everything in your own previous videos and that’s a pretty big red flag.
So let me understand correctly 1. every year, we allocate and dispense 20% as tithes, 10% for running of the church and 10% for celebration of the 7 feasts 2. every 3rd year, we allocate 30%. the extra 10% is to be dispensed to help the poor correct?
yes, but for making it easier on the third year, you can divide that tithe into 3 years and save it up until the third year. But Yes, there are 3 distinct tithes mentioned in the Bible.
@PCLye Tithes were NEVER money only food and livestock - that's why the pharisees gave a tithe of mint and herbs not Money. There were at least 3 types which added up to about 23% not 10%. Only those who worked on the land and bore fruits from it were to tithe. That's why the disciples never gave a tithe because they were fishermen. That's why the pharisees who the Bible describes as " lovers of money" tithed mint, spices that they got from their personal gardens and not money. When christ died, and said it's finished there's a reason why the veil in the holiest part of the temple was torn into 2 right in the middle. It signaled an end to that system to works. Now, the Bible encourages cheerful giving. Not giving by obligation. Giving as one purposes in their heart. That 10% works only on biblically illiterate people. No example in the entirety of scripture supports this 10% of income scam. Just simple common sense and an ability to read should be enough to see this.
@@achiepalaago you are providing your opinion not proofs... In the Bible it is clearly said, you can convert your grains and animals allocated for tithes to money and use as it deem right...
I’d like to see your list of verses to support this declaration that money was never considered tithe. If tithes were the WAGES of the levites, then how would they have anything but food if tithe was only food? 10% of all your increase is the commandment. Your increase comes in many forms. Your increase can be converted into many forms. It’s still your increase. Levites needed money just as all Israelites did. Money was a LARGE form of the tithe.
@@marcosromero7952 true indeed. And I readily agree that money per-sey is not listed in the descriptions of Tithe. So now having said that, let me ask you this: Is God unjust? I expect the answer is No. So why do you suppose that God only “taxed” the farmers and ranchers, leaving the plumbers and carpenters off the hook? If I don’t grow cops or raise cattle then I don’t need to tithe, right? Doesn’t it seem obvious that God was speaking to an agricultural society? Don’t we find Scripture that lets one exchange their tithe of crops for money to make the long voyage, then buy the goods of tithe once they arrived? Didn’t Abram give “a tenth part of all,” to Mechizadec? (Hebrews 7:2). I’m pretty sure Abram recovered more that the specified crops and animal to be tithed, so what does it mean by “all”? Doesn’t Malachi 3:8-10 give more admonition than not tithing crops because you found a loophole? Isn’t it just possible that carpenters in Jesus day had to spend of their increase to buy their tithes to wave before the Lord? So it seems to me that the simple statement of fact presented as the cause for this discussion, while obviously and technically true, may require a bit of deeper understanding for an honest application.
@@Dr.Reason to answer your long question with a short answer. They were not off the hook. They gave offerings but were not liable for tithes because tithes were always food from the ground or from animals. Tent makers didn’t tithes but they still gave to support, as did carpenters, etc. the argument isn’t against giving or that God is unjust it’s simply that God had a reason for the tithe and a reason for it only coming from something only he could produce.
@@marcosromero7952 it’s not often I find myself on the side of arguing something not clearly laid out in Scripture, so I have to give you this one. Just be really careful you don’t promote the idea of robbing God. Offerings are not biblically a replacement of tithes. Tithes are required while offerings are given freely.
The government takes more than 50 percent of what we make. God raises up all governments no matter how evil. Our taxes seems to count as tithes. If we give any more we will have nothing left.
Call it an offering. Tithes is not required, Offerings are expected but to be given cheerfully. Opening the windows of heaven and The pouring out the blessing refers to "RAIN". Without rain, crops/produce cannot successfully grow. If the windows of heaven were shut up, then no rain, and therefore no fruit/produce/healthy livestock to pay the tithes. Let's not add to the Word, but take it as it says. Your first video was well on point.
this video you’re making two different argument. No one argues the man who does the work of God should not be Fed or get paid from the offering and giving the church receives. The question is should people still need tithes 10% or not?
The problem with modern tithing is that it goes to people who were never chosen by God to be ministers. 99.99% of modern preachers/pastors do it as a source of income/career not actual calling and they always hear the voice of God when it comes to asking for money but they never hear the voice of God when someone is in need.
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John 14: 21- 23
hose who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. My Father will love those who love me; I too will love them and reveal myself to them.
You maybe right in your observation and resentments but the truth here is as much as this command has received great criticism amongst believers and non, it is God's. So obedience to His word is better than sacrifice.
The taxes we pay to government, are not resourcefully used for needs if citizens but you mandatorily pay it then why should we question tithing, just follow the lead of Holy Spirit, its for your spiritual benefit. Stay blessed 🙏✌
Tithing is for the Israelites in the old testament.. Now church age, we are to support our true Christian borthers and sisters specially who gave their full life in spreading the word of God and taking care of who are truly in need.
@Jerry-vx2kj The levies did not have land. Most preachers today are wealthy so no they do not need a tithe. However in this time we are in known as Jacobs trouble. How is it you do not seem to know who Jacob is. The Germanic, Scandinavian, Celtic, Anglo-Saxon peoples. I mean this is internet age. Information flows freely as water from a stream.
And how did you know they are not chosen? Who made you a judge? What happened in the house of Eli, where Samuel was chosen? God cannot be mocked. Do the possible and let God do the impossible.
Lex, you had it right the first time. One of the problems with this presentation is the assertion that all 3 tithes were universal, eternal commandments. Biblical, systematic tithing was facilitated through ceremonial and civil ordinances under Mosaic Law. These existed to support the Old Covenant system of sacrificial atonement which is now obsolete. None of the tithing ordinances were amended to include money as a tithe deliverable. There's no such thing as a tithe received from earned wages that's paid to a religious organization. Not New Testament, or Old.
Another problem is that the book of Hebrews is about a change in Priesthood, not a change in tithing ordinances. No one can literally, materially "tithe to Jesus" today. He isn't physically here and now our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. The metaphor of "tithing to Jesus" represents acknowledging him as our High Priest forever. It's not about paying money to a religious organization, although there's nothing wrong with doing so as a form of systematic giving.
1 Corinthians 9:13 says nothing about tithing. The comparison of those who spread the Gospel and the Levitical Priests is not a "how to" analogy, rather it places the importance of spreading the Gospel on the same level as that which the Priesthood served. Those who spread the Gospel are worthy of the support, financial or otherwise, but there's no connection there to how tithes were received under Mosaic Law and how ministers today are supported. The Priests only received 1/10th of the Levitical tithe and it was always consumable items. We support ministers by providing them wages and financial gifts from discretionary offerings. Today's version of tithing from earned wages bears no resemblance to the practice of biblical, systematic (required) tithing.
The narrative in the book of Malachi was limited within Israel (Malachi 1:1), and further narrowed towards the Levitical Priests in Malachi 1:6 and 2:1. The tithe indictments in Malachi 3 cannot be universally applied either historically or currently and they had nothing to do with money. So no, God isn't encouraging "us" to test him. It was an indictment to the Levitical Priests to carry out their full duty to bring all of the tithes rather than being selective in what they keep for themselves.
There's no biblical guide to any minimum or maximum set for giving money, to a church or otherwise, only that we give not grudgingly or under compulsion, as put forward in 2 Corinthians 9:7. Sorry, but the lies that were unlearned in the first video were reinstated with this one. Blessings.
This sums it rather nicely and very hard to refute. Sadly he's fallen into the religious dogma teachings for whatever reason and has jumped on the Malachi train of "robbing God" for not tithing horribly misapplying that verse but not unexpected. I'm hoping he sees the error of his ways if not mines well change the channel name to, RE-learn the lies!
@@bobbysworldroxand this is exactly the reason why we always need to read the word for ourselves.
I listened to this video yesterday and was going to post something very similar to what you just posted. So, now I don't have to. Great summary and Amen.
Thank you @markb7067 ❤
Furthermore I can sum it up rather easily as Jesus last words on the cross. "It is finished".
Teaching false doctrine, and preaching legalism causes many to stumble. Many people avoid church because they don't feel that the tithing doctrine is correct. I have a lot of respect for a preacher that has the guts to tell the truth about tithing. It is for the old testament for Israel only. Why did Jesus not reinforce tithing? He only spoke of giving.
but then they say God is the same yesterday and today, so it does not matter
This is ridiculous, yes tithing is biblical, Jesus clearly says give to Cesar what is Cesar’s and give to God what is Gods. Since this account is recorded when someone asked if they were required to pay taxes we know that this is in reference to monetary distribution, the only monetary distribution God has ever asked us to partake in is tithes.
As someone who was not even a Christian for most of my life I find these types of arguments disgusting. Since being baptized and paying tithes I have had so many blessings. Just last year I was laying on my couch after church and knew I needed to get some things to make it thru the week until I got paid. I checked my savings and I had $11, my checking had nothing but some change. The next day at work I was praying and I heard the spirit tell me to check my savings again. At first I didn’t bc I knew I had just checked it, then on lunch I prayed again and received the same message. So I checked and had $57, it was just enough to get what I needed and make it through with $7 left over until I got my check on Thursday. This is just one of many experiences I’ve had of being blessed after paying my tithes
@@scottrobinson9334 Tithing is not giving. It is Old Testament law for Israel only. I suppose that when you quote Jesus when he says give unto Cesar what is Cesar and to God what is Gods, that you mean tithing. I suppose you are going equate "bring all your tithes into the Storehouse" with mandatory tithing to some church.... I tithed for fourteen years and was always broke. God does not reward legalism. If your children are going without, and you are instead enriching some pastor, you think that is ok? What if you are tithing to a pastor that preaches false doctrine? Are you still required to tithe to this pastor? The tithing argument today does not hold water.
I never said anything about mandatory tithing, I pointed out that the only time God has ever asked us to give money to the church that was speaking about tithing. And when Jesus said that about giving to Cesar and God he was asked about whether followers of Christ were required to pay taxes or give their money to God only. Another place Jesus spoke about was in Matthew and yes, He said we should focus on charitable deeds like mercy and faithfulness
but also tithe
Matt 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.”
All I was doing was pointing out that my life has been blessed many times from tithing. That doesn’t mean that there is money unaccounted for appear in my account every week, nor even every month, in fact many times I barely make it from paycheck to paycheck, in fact I’m almost broke now with only $7 to last until Thursday morning. But many times it has happened, but it’s always when I’m worried about how I’m going to make it next paycheck and after I pray. And most times after I’ve paid my tithes
@@scottrobinson9334 Also, if you are struggling from one paycheck to another, and you are "paying your tithe," that means that you have no money to give to anything else. When God speaks to you to bless someone, you can't do it because you have no extra money after paying it to a church that already has plenty of money.
How many of you have been tithing for years but still have empty rooms in your house? When scripture said “if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing” do we not understand it said “A BLESSING”? It never said blessings. That blessing was rain, nothing else. Not money, wife, husband, car, house, children, etc.
“And I will rebuke the devourer”. We should go ask any farmer whether isn’t is the devil that destroys their crops or pests.
Malachi 3:10-11
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
How anyone can read this and interpret it as giving 10% of their money is shocking. We think God protects us, blesses us because we give him 10%?
These religious leaders will make it say exactly what they need it to say.
I'm having a hard time finding someone to explain to me how exultant praise is 'worship'. How we call spiritual music 'worship' music.
Romans 12:1 is also poorly translated. Everything we do isn't worship. Worship (prostration) is worship.
Latreian / Avodah is best translated as service.
But it is convenient for them to say "Come to church to worship."
@@thecatalysm5658 The root of the problem is they were indoctrinated and taught lies at the seminaries. Unfortunately, most of them have not tried to verify and seek for the truth for themselves. They keep holding on to these lies.
@@thecatalysm5658 You are right.
Tithes in the 1828 dictionary = the tenth part of anything
Argue with Webster, not God
@@johngbaptist5965 And who is arguing with God? Quote exactly what was said to even remotely indicate an argument with God. I’ll wait …
You had it right the first time. Malachi was referring to the priest that started keeping the best for themselves. The Priest were the only ones allowed at the alter for the sacrifice. Only the sons of Aaron could be priest. There also was never any money exchanged or given as tithes or offerings. Paul also says to give out of the goodness of your heart, not reluctantly or out of compulsion. When he was talking about taking care of those in ministry, he was referring to giving, not tithing. When some Christians were demanding that the gentiles be circumcised, he basically told them that was the old law and not part of the new law. If you want to follow the old law then follow it wholly, not just the laws that you pick and choose. But then you are trying to negate everything Jesus did on the cross. The old law regarding tithes and offerings also demanded they be prepared and burned on an alter. So if you want to accept and preach tithes and offerings then you must fully comply with the rest of the requirements. You see, this is why the OT Law was fullfilled by Christian’s. The new commandments are now Love God and love one another, and to be a cheerful giver out of the goodness of your heart and not reluctantly or out of compulsion out of some law. Also, when Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war(not wages), he gave out of the goodness of his heart. He was not compelled by the priest or God. Also when the Israelites brought a 10th to the festivals, they didn’t give that 10th to the Levites. They ate it themselves and gave some of it to the Levites.
When people take Malachi out of context, they missed the wrath that God is directing towards the Priests. In fact, Malachi was written at the same time as Nehemiah. In Nehemiah, chapter 12, we read of the abuse by the Priests in regards to the storehouse.
Hey man would be willing to have a discussion on a phone call? Just loved how you exegesis the scripture. We all understand that money is touching subject but i honestly believe if it was truly something we needed to do we wouldn't even debate it. Yet that's the issue, it's debatable because we can read ourselves that such concepts are possibly obsolete in the new covenant. The new covenant says we can eat pork in gratitude towards the one who created the pig. This was not allowed in the old covenant. Tithes are 100 percent temple laws as well. The multi-purpose for tithes was not just income for a tribe with no inheritance but it also was because they were essentially payed to intercede for the sins of the nation. And you know what, if a tithe helps the people from utterly being destroy by a righteous God, there ain't no complaining about it. Yet, the new covenant says we have a spiritual mediator who makes perfect intercession for the people. The veil was literally ripped in half. I refuse to be ignorant so i therefore these preachers seem to leaving a whole lot of relevant scripture in the shadows.
@@morpheus2072 the Levites weren’t paid. They were taken care of with food from portions of the tithes and offerings. There was never any money given or excepted for tithes or offering. Tithes and offerings were always sacrificed on the alters. Do we really believe that there were monies sacrificed on an alter? On another note, tithes and offerings were only for the Israelites. The Israelites were the only ones the law was written for. No other nation or race of people followed these rules. Even after Jesus died and rose again, none of His disciples taught tithes or offerings. The closest mention of financing was Paul teaching that a worker is worthy of his wages. Even so Paul said that he worked his fingers to the bone that money would not get in the way of his teachings. Tithing is taught by preachers who are afraid that God will not take care of them. Or it’s just something they do because the previous guy did it. Either way they don’t know the word of God on this subject. God puts it on peoples heart to give. He wants them to be cheerful about it and not be commanded by someone or some law. If a preacher teaches tithes and offerings, then he needs to read all the regulations surrounding the receiving of said tithes and offering, the dimensions of the alters are very precise, then only sons of Aaron can be the priest to approach the alter. Of course not to mention all the other Leviticle laws.
Please if you read this reply to me. Why did Jesus Christ or even one of his disciples didn't receive tithe? In Hebrews 7 bible says " if priesthood change tha law also changed" by this why the paying of tithe is compulsory now yet we have told to give the poor or our pastor if we see them in need?
one third of OT tithes were to be given to the poor, orphaned, widowed, homeless.
I gave a tithe when i had work. I was out of work and needed work from a large church and they told me "i can get kids to paint for $7.00 per hour." I was finished with the church.
I love Jesus ❤ and study diligently.
The levites had no inheritance, if you or any other pastor would like to give up your property that you own, your investments and retirement, or income from youtube, books, speaking engagements or the like that would be fine to expect a tithe and remember it was not money but a portion of things from the land. We follow the Law and there are some things that cannot be followed because no temple on earth exists today that we can bring it to. Churches are not the new temple with leaders being the new levites.
good point!
Bingo. You're absolutely right. Mandatory tithe proponents hardly ever talk about the law of tithing as it pertains to receipt and distribution of tithes. They only talk about the duties of the donors.
Money has been around even before the times of Abraham @@Michellejaneofalltrades
@sharingmyloveforgod Although trading/bartering was in place back in ancient times, money currency was also. Joseph was sold by his brothers for 20 pieces of silver. Money was tithed to build Solomon's temple. Of course, there are more examples.
Also, churches are *Not* the Temple now - we ourselves are the Temple. We all make up one body.
@@Michellejaneofalltrades how did our Messiah and His Discipled pay taxes? Anyway, you're getting hung up on the word 'church,' and not it's meaning. The actual meaning of 'church' is from the Latin 'circe,' which means "circus." Messiah's true assembly is His Body. Have a nice day
Can anyone provide one biblical scripture of New Testament Gentiles tithing; or the church tithing all three of the types of tithes?
Why are you trying to separate gentiles from Israelites? Thats your first issue, you can fall into many false doctrines with that idea. When you accept Christ you become a spiritual Israelite and are grafted in.
Please answer the question and dispense with what you think you know about me. Provide the scriptures where the church is tithing?
There is none, what there is in the book of acts is that the early disciples sold all their possessions and shared among them freely according to need.
@@2ndyeardrummer I responded to that very objection and your response to my objection is to respond with the very same objection I already refuted?
@@xintimidate I have no idea what you mean by that, have a blessed day and don’t let my response to a question upset you.
I will continue to work for a living and offer my online ministry for free. In my opinion Pastors and ministry workers should humbly accept donations but not expect someones tithe. I would suggest to anyone If it’s on you’re heart to give then give at any amount as a cheerful giver. Don’t fall back into the guilt trap of tithing. Can you Imagine if your father shook u down for 10% of your allowance and then said your a sinner if you don’t give it back? A loving Earthly Father would never do this let alone your Heavenly Father. This simply cannot be the case nor can it be applied today as it was in the Levitical system. The answer today is indeed simply be generous and surely you will reap what you sow. I have not tithed in many years and haven’t felt guilt nor have I been cursed financially. On the contrary I’m blessed beyond measure in so many areas and give myself away in total freedom.
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I decided not to accept honorarium when invited to preach unless I absolutely have to just to mKe the trip possible.
Well, the second sin ever committed was inappropriate tithing by Cain.
Ur math and reasoning are backward!! A father who GAVE YOU say $100 then ask “only” 10 bucks back is a pretty LOVING father!! But keep hording😊
Old Covenant = Tithing as a Command. New Covenant = Generous Giving as a Believer. Huge difference.
Jesus commands us to tithe.
@@earlysdaAdd the Bible verses where Jesus commands us to tithe please
@@earlysda Tithing is not in the new testament,Paul said give what is in your heart God loves a cheerful giver.We are no longer under Mosaic law.
The Focus on the heart - such as David who was a man after his heart
Agreed!!
Please provide the example where the church gave or brought a tithe?
@geelamar3542 : They went much further, selling all they had and sharing in common so that no one had any need. Can't see any modern day worldly material Christians doing that! 🤯
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I stoped tithing when i found out about it, but i still give money to support the church, at times, more. Tithing was not your income. You give with a willing heart to support the church.
The modern day pastors are more like Eli's sons (Phinehas and Hophni; 1 Samuel 2:12-34). They are greedy and care not for the people, only what the people can do for them and what the can get out of being in the position.
I do not tithe as i no longer work due to my disabilities but i give over 10% of my monies that God has blessed me with as an offering to God every month.
That is still tithing and may God open the windows of Heaven and pour you out a blessing that you don’t have room enough to receive.
That's still a tithe. God bless you. You're tithing not by compulsion but by your love and obedience to the Lord. God bless you.
This is the heart God is looking for. Willing and obedient people. I started tithing and saw for myself how God has blessed me tremendously. I have not lacked a thing neither my family. His Word is true.
And you have already received your reward.
Well don't even think about a future reward because you have boasted your giving.Keep it secret (no one cares anyway), and God will reward you openly.
My question is this: it would appear there has been a distinction made between clergy and laity. The clergy compared to the levites, and the laity the rest of Israel, however, how would we reconcile this next scripture?
“and He has made US to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.” Rev 1:6 NASB1995
secondly, if we are to interpret scripture with scripture, the tithing was of the produce of the land, (Lev 27:30) it was never money? How is this to be reconciled?
This teacher did Olympics scripture gymnastics to make this fit his narrative. Most preachers that teach is are directly influenced because it's their main source of income. I saw this video and he took many scriptures out of context to make it seem like it adds up.
If the ancient Israelites didn't start paying tithes in the wilderness until they got to the promised land, then why are we to pay when we are not even living on the land? I believe we are to give according to what the Holy Spirit instructs us to give to others.
Guilt should never be a motivation for determining doctrine. “Tithing” in this way is a return to “keeping the law.” It causes so many negative results and even keeps people from entering into a relationship with Yeshuah.
Abraham tithed of war spoiks,a one time event and there is no scripture that demands that anyone should go ye and do likewise
@@bobbysworldrox 😂 did you have to do him in like that?! Lol Olympic scripture gymnastics 🤣.
When people give to a church through a false doctrine of tithing, barely any of it ends up going to those who it was intended for, which is what the tithe did before the death of the Messiah. Instead, it's wasted on creature comforts such as air-conditioning, carpeting, salaries, insurance, trips, vehicles, paper, computers, stage equipment, lighting for the stage, cameras, and countless other unnecessary things while the poor and needy continue without.
Paul was a tentmaker, and would never take money from the communities of God. The disciples gathered together in homes and reached out to the world with the gospel of Messiah Yeshua through their everyday lives and travels with personal relationships and faith to continue to live Torah truthfully as it's written where it's possible to accomplish. Tithing can no longer be accomplished without the temple, period, but giving cheerfully from the heart can still be practiced just as it was then.
And to be totally transparent and truthful to what scripture presents, God addressed issues that were even developing with the priests in scripture misusing the tithes and not obeying God's Torah. Shouldn't we too be diligent like the Bereans to be careful not to manipulate and distort what God has established in HIS Torah for our own gain.
Sad to see Lex return to manmade false doctrines.
Totally agree !👌
I have been tithing for years and have seen the blessings that God promised in Malachi. I tithe 10% of my gross plus give a freewill offering. I will never give it up because i have seen how God multiplies the little i have and makes it abundant when i give my 10% (ive always seen the chaos that comes when i dont). The bible says 10% of your increase, so whether it be cash, crop or clothing, i find a way to give 10% of that.
Additionally for the persons that are asking what to do if the Church is not preaching the truth as it should (I've struggled with this as well), i prayed on it and God showed me that he is in control. He calls us to give and we should give and leave the rest in his hands. And i have peace in my heart on the matter.
Tithing has been a blessing to me and i hope you get to experience this blessing as well.
Let everyman be fully convinced in his own mind ❤
I started tithing because my wife is a faithful tither and even when we are struggling we seem to have enough money for everything. God gives you enough of what you need.
Amen. I have been doing it for years and have seen the blessings of God as promised in Malachi. Let every man be fully convinced in his own mind.
Hallelujah! It’s worked the same for me as a single woman & now 5 years into our marriage it’s worked for our little family!
"I started giving because my wife is a faithful generous giver and even when we are struggling we seem to have enough money for everything. God gives you enough of what you need." There, I fixed it for you. You were never under the Old Covenant (and never will be). You are under the New Covenant.
Just because GOD is gracious to bless us for what we give. Doesn't mean that it's biblical to teach as a mandate. It's up to us as believers to give as HE has prospered us and as we have purposed in our heart.
I would ask any of you to show me 3 new testament scriptures that COMMAND tithing?
Hi, may I know the difference between Tithes, Offerings and Pledges? I came across a church where the 3 is required. Just visited the church once and did not come back anymore.
I follow 2 Corinthians 9:6-7. It did not mention about Tithes and Offerings but it's about being a cheerful giver. God sees our hearts in giving... reminds me about the poor widow who put a coin in the offering box. Jesus is looking at the heart. It's not about the amount...
Biblical, systematic (required) tithing was facilitated under Mosaic Law through ceremonial and civil ordinances, like a tax. Those ordinances are now obsolete. Under the New Covenant, no compulsory tithing is mentioned, but there's nothing wrong with practicing tithing as a form of systematic giving. Offerings and pledges are voluntary unless required by the religious institution. Giving is encouraged in the Bible, especially to the poor, but we are to give cheerfully, not under compulsion.
Brother Lex, God has never commanded us nowhere in the bible to apply a principle on obeying His commandments. The bible tells us in Proverbs 3:5, to lean not on our own understanding. This is what always gets us into trouble with God. We apply our own principles to His holy scriptures instead of simply obeying Him. When we apply a principle on a commandment then we actually change the commandment itself. Giving IAW 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 is what we should be doing brother and cheerfully at that. The video you taught previously was perfectly fine because you were simply teaching the holy scriptures in their true context and did not add to them like you are doing now. I am not going to lie; what you said sounded really good; but it adds to the word of God. I have no issue with members supporting their local church building, fellow saints or even their church leaders. Please keep this in mind thought, the bible says in 2 Thessalonians 3:10, if a man does not work then he does not eat. Everyone who has the ability to get a job/career should work to earn their wages. Now if they want to go full time in the ministry and be supported by their members then it must be done in the form of freewill giving and not from tithes of money, which is no such law according to the bible. Apostle Paul was a tent maker. Jesus was a carpenter. All of the Apostles had jobs/careers. None of them demanded anyone to give them tithes of money because there is no such commandment. Everywhere you see in the holy scriptures that reference tithing is referring to food or goods. Not money and they had money during Jesus time in the flesh all the way back during Abrams time. The bible is not even clear on what other tithes Abram gave to the Lord even though we know he kept His laws and decrees, Genesis 26:5. The only thing we know is he gave a tenth to Melchezedek (A type of Christ). But, he also gave the other 90% to his soldiers and kept nothing for himself. There are many pastors out there who work regular jobs and does not require their members to support them through tithing and their ministries are being well supported through freewill offerings (IUIC, etc.). But, if church members want to support their local church leaders then I don't see anything wrong with it as long as their leaders are not telling them they must do so. To tithe money today, you would have to apply a principle, which is a violation of Deuteronomy 4:2, and Revelation 22:18-19. Abraham's, Isaac's and Jacob's tithe all ties into the nation of Israel being established later. In fact, the last commandment given concerning the tithes of food was for them to go to the Levites who also had to give a tithe. Then you had the festival tithe and the tithes for the poor. Guess what? They were food, which had to be eaten or stored away for later in the storeroom inside the Temple. God penalized those who wanted to redeem (buy back with money) their tithes by charging them 1/5 in money. When you change the tithes from food to money, you simply change the law, which is a direct violation of Deut. 4:2 and Revelation 22:18-19. Those who does so knowingly will have their place in the lake of fire. Lex, I have seen you and 119 Ministries change your stances on tithing when you had it right the first time. Stand on exactly what the law of God says concerning the tithe (food) and not allow someone to influence you otherwise. I heard someone who I dearly respect say we don't have farmers today so this is why we give money for tithes. Actually, we do have farmers today and none of them give tithes off of their livestock and they are still prospering and not cursed with a curse, per Malachi 3:9. These are the people who the grocery stores get their food to sell to their customers from. Lex, the tithe was food and not money and they had money back then, which started from Abrams day all the way to today's time. Tithes were never money. They were always food, which was last commanded to be given to the Levites. We cannot identify who a Levite is today. So we use money today in the form of freewill giving, which I highly encourage.
What happened? You had it right the first time.
You are right brother.
And plus if his new point of vue was correct, we shall find it into Paul’s teachings instead of “offerings not under compulsion”
@@MANYHUNTERSTV Exactly.
He realized that things aren't moving as fast as he'd liked to he switched over to the tithing crowd 😆
When people who are not practising Christians make comments condemning good teaching for tithing, it is annoying. How do you pay the wages of those who serve at the altar? Doesn't a workman deserve his wages?
@@josephdanquah313 It's the requirement part of it that's the problem. People who tithe must understand that they do it out of desire and not compulsion. There's a lot more to the Law than just how giving should be done. Hence Paul stating that it should not be done out of compulsion.
Brethern, why are you all at odds with one another. May God give you all understanding of the matter and do as the Holy Spirit dictates to your conscience. Back biting and devoring one another does not show a world, Christ. Love in the Lord
Tithing was an Old Testament measure based on the law, for Israel. The New Testament of grace (not Old Testament law) of giving is 2 Corinthians 9:7.
2 Cor seems so clear!!!! I wonder about all the scriptural gymnastics...
Yes !👌
I think you just unlearned the correct understanding of tithe.
When Jesus was on earth he never took any tithe nor his desciples...he never even taught his desciples to teach on tithing
And as a carpenter did not tithe either.
This is clearly a deceptive argument. Ofc wouldn't have taken tithes. He wasn't a Levite priest. Matt. 23 shows Him straightforwardly telling the Pharisees that they were supposed to tithe, and the disciples were there. So to try to argue that He didn't teach the disciples to tithe is an outright lie. What we clearly don't see is Christ telling ppl not to tithe, and yet rebellious "Christians" would have ppl believe that they ought to simply assume that is true.
Matthew 23 v 23 talks about the tithe STILL being food (and very picky samples at that. Jesus admonished the Pharisees for them ignoring the 'weightier matters of the LAW ...' They were still under the law until Jesus died for our sins. New Testament example for giving is 2 Cor 9 God bless. There is no evidence he taught the disciples to tithe (unless you can prove from specific scripture by any chance?) @@theeternalsbeliever1779
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 they were still under the law. I'm not, I've been freed from the curse of the law. 99% of the gospels deal with Jewish persons, not gentile. You are one of the false teachers the Bible warns about. Show all of us in the New Testament where any of the disciples tithed or taught tithing to Gentile Christians.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Where do I send my rutabagas for tithe offering?
The problem is not to give to the Pastor or to brothers in need, YES WE MUST GIVE.
The problem is in the Tithes that is 10% of all increases but 10% are from the OT.
Paul never talk about 10 % but about giving cheerfully from the heart, it can be 10% or more or whatever, and it is not only for the Pastor, it is for the all body of Christ if in need.
In fact, yes 10% is a good measure but all has to be from the heart guided by the Holy Spirit in different circumstances.
Show me one place in the scriptures where tithing was money.
Remember kane and abel, one of them wanted to gave Yahweh what he did not ask for and the sacrifice was refused by Yahweh, now here you are asking people to give what Yahweh did not ask for.
Back in the biblical days, they didn't have the cash money like we do now. They've paid with animals, silver, gold, gifts and their services.
@@slimdude2011 the instruction in the bible for persons who live far away and their tithe is too much to travel is to sell their tithe (livestock), take it to the place where the name of Yahweh is, buy back their equivalent with the money from the market place, take it to the synagogue; therfore, there was money, additionally tithe was ALWAYS, something to eat.
@@slimdude2011In Luke 18:12 there was plenty of money. But ktaomai was used and not misthos or opsonion. Huh.
@@slimdude2011money was prevalent in the temple ,otherwise why did Jesus have to run them out and overurn their money tables
@@slimdude2011Mark12:41 shows there was money available for offering in the temple.
Tithe is separate as this is in reference to farm crops.
Lex, You are waffling on an admittedly difficult issue. I have listened to you for advise, and as one that has continued to learn and struggle, I wish with brotherly love, to share this: Make up your mind to do what is right and pleasing to the lord.
I thought if the journey was too far you can exchange for money to use for yourselves was the "first tithe", 10% tithe, to use in a different manner because going to the feast days and celebrating was more important than not being able go at all and couldn't pay any tithe at all anyways.
And there was no mention of the "first fruits" tithe.
Only animals and grains raised from within the promised land were acceptable as tithes.
Only farmers of animals and/or grains were required to tithe, and the would only tithe from the increase over the previous year.
The Messiah, the disciples, blacksmiths, and other common trades didn't tithe, nor were they required to tithe.
Currency was strictly forbidden to be used as a tithe. What you're referring to is the requirements for the farmers of animals and/or grains raised from outside the promised land because it was too far to travel with the tithe, let alone the fact they weren't acceptable as a tithe from outside of the promised land. They would sell them and use the money for whatever their heart desires, they and their entire household were to spend it all and celebrate with it in Jerusalem, not given or used for a tithe at the temple.
Giving isn't equal to tithing and is an entirely separate act of love. Giving cheerfully from the heart is what we taught to be doing, not tithing.
Then there's the argument also with regards to when people give to a church through a false doctrine, barely any of it ends up going to those who need it. Instead, it's wasted on creature comforts such as air-conditioning, carpeting, salaries, insurance, trips, vehicles, paper, computers, stage equipment, lighting for the stage, cameras, and countless other unnecessary things while the poor and needy continue without.
Paul was a tentmaker, and would never take money from the communities of God. The disciples gathered together in homes and reached out to the world with the gospel of Messiah Yeshua through their everyday lives and travels with personal relationships and faith to continue to live Torah truthfully as it's written and where it's possible to accomplish. Tithing can no longer be accomplished without the temple, but giving cheerfully from the heart can be practiced.
I appreciate the video. I’m still in agreement with your original as this video was very far from convincing, especially the aspect of recognizing preachers as Levites.
Shalom
I have a problem with the word 'pay' to start with, under the new covenant its a heavy word under grace , Christ has paid the ultimate price. Anything that we do we do so compelled by love and free will, I stand to be corrected
Return is the correct word
Which shows whose it is in the first place.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!YOU JUST KICKED A HORNETS NEST. I agree with your previous video (no tithe) but I am new to Torah, I will pray on this. Good luck with your following.
Rather, "good luck with all that" trying to place new covenant believers under any part of the law of Moses, "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:3). "I testify again to every man who is circumcised that he is obligated to keep the WHOLE LAW. (see Galatians 5:3,). "Messiah is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believes." (Romans 10:4).
@@richardstark1977 Prove the old covenant, mentioned in Hebrews, has anything to do outside of animal sacrifice no longer being acceptable and Christ being the new sacrifice. Otherwise you are taking scripture out of context.
Send me my 10% as well
In fact, we are all consecrated priests through Baptism, as Peter in 1 Peter 2[:9] says, "You are a royal priesthood and a priestly kingdom," and Revelation [5:10], "Through your blood you have made us into priests and kings."
Except that is under the law and old testament. we are not under the law but by Grace.
I don't know what to think yet, tithes were never about "gold" or some sort of currency.
Take a merchant for example.....
He had 100 sheeps, he gave the tithe of 10 out of those 100, but the remaining 90, he sold 40 and kept 40..... he had already gave the "tithe" of the "produce of the earth", the tithe was never meant to come from "the money from the sheeps you sold"
I'll use the phrase again, "produce of the earth", in other words, totally free for us from God's pocket, so he demands that 10% out of the 100% he gave you for free....
Tithes comes from the produce of the earth which was also used to sell and negotiate and turn into money.
Nowadays we only work for money, and a few barely get produce of the earth for free.
The world itself has turned the economy system upside down so that we depend on our money for everything and to have the right to earn money you depend of the government and whatever...
The world's economic system has stripped us of "the produce of the earth" in order to steal from us the opportunity to "tithe" correctly, if at all.
The topic remains one of the most difficults to explain and understand because the more people study it the more they confirm that "back then" the tithes came from your "working of the earth" by planting, breeding etc....
But now we dont work the earth to get our things, we work someone else's business to get currency but that doesnt necesarily qualify "currency" as a fund to tithe from.
And thats without going in deeper to the "land of abundance"....
God gave Israel a land that would produce "abundance" and from that abundance they were expected to tithe from said abundance.
If back then I lived in a desert and a land of scarcity that can barely grow anything and could only live by with earning gold, from where would I tithe?
So you see,.... tithes where asked from people who were blessed with the land to get those tithes from....
The excuse nowadays would be.... "God blessed you a job that earns currency, so tithe from it"... but that.... really sounds as an abusive and misleading idea.
Now, if I have a garden.... and a farm.... and can "earn free things" from the earth, then by all means I should give all those tithes to the poor the widows, the stranger and even the preachers so that they can eat and live and keep preacing, not tithe them enough to get them a mansion or a jet....
Tithes are meant to help those in need, material and spiritual not to fill the pockets of preachers with corruptible things that will stay on the earth and persish with it.
I'm still more sided to your first video than this one, and the weird thing is that this one has more than enough info to make the first one even more valid.
What we as body of Christ, our high priest should be doing is to "buy" things with our currency that helps others in need.... buy the food, water, clothes, shelter, help them get the tools so they can work too etc....
But by putting money in the hands of someone who "might" use it to satisfy the flesh instead of the spirit we are not really helping them, we are spoiling them.....
Want to donate $10,000?? DO IT!!!
But there's a big difference between giving $10,000 dollars to a family that just lost their home due to a forestal fire and to a preacher which used the money as a downpayment for a luxury car which he deserved because he works hard in thr ministy.....
Where would God's heart be? Helping those in need or satisfy the flesh of someone who's mind is set on worldly curriptible things.....
Earrn treasures in heaven, not in earth.
Thats just my opinion though, God bless you all
Ever try to pay the electric bill with a lamb today? How about the gas bill with chickens?? Currency today is a “bit” different than then🤦🏽… I love having a warm church here in CO in the winter! How is the church suppose to get that… but it amazes me how many “so-called” Christian’s work harder at not paying than having Faith!!(Heb 11:6)
Ever try to pay the electric bill with a lamb today? How about the gas bill with chickens?? Currency today is a “bit” different than then🤦🏽… I love having a warm church here in CO in the winter! How is the church suppose to get that… but it amazes me how many “so-called” Christian’s work harder at not paying than having Faith!!(Heb 11:6)
I think when Paul speaks of giving he was careful not to use the word tithe as it always is referred to as the 10%. There was no mention of the amount to be given but Paul encouraged them to contribute as the Lord led them to give. This contribution Paul teaches is the freewill offering. Unlike tithe that was mandatory under the law freewill offering was not bound by the law. So to say that the church tithe is to bring the church back under the law. But freewill offering has no such law and is not mandatory therefore I would say Paul was right not to use the word tithe when giving to the ministry of the church. Most of the confusion in the debate about tithe is not understanding that freewill offering was taught by Paul and not tithing.
i do not agree, i think you are reading into the text. Holy things are holy and you do not get to tweak it to fit a perspective. Some things are only meant for where He places His name, Jerusalem, and you cant decide that you will do it somewhere else. The Levites are God's portion of the people and are not to be confused with pastors, who have no connection. Gifts are fine to whoever you wish to gift, but tithes are a different matter. All three of your text scripture is still within the gates of where God puts his name.
Don't mix the holy.
Can i do Passover here in Orlando where I live? No, I can do a remembrance meal but not Passover, Why? Because you can only do it within the area of the Temple just like when Judah was in captivity they placed a shank bone of a lamb on the plate, not the meat of the lamb. Same thing with Tabernacles, you cant do it here, you can remember it, but not call it Tabernacles. People who are weak in the teachings will start doing things as if it were the actual law, and its not, and they will be confused.
We are commanded to keep the holy days, period.
You are guilty of doing the very thing you accuse Lex of doing.
People always use Abraham as a backup ploy as well as the old chestnut "tithing preceded the law". Abraham tithed very occasionally it wasn't monthly. Tithing is only relevant to the OLD Covenant Israelites and Levites, not modern day Christians. I have no conviction to tithe at all. I GIVE freely and without being guilt tripped by covetous pastor's who love money more than Jesus.
Levites are definitely Holy unto God. I know I would not want to touch the Ark of Covenant if I lived in OT and was not a Levite. No comparison to todays pastors.
Amen to you guys. there is no such thing as tithe in the gentile church. We were given a high bar on giving than the mosaic law. Jesus changed all that with His sacrifice.
Makes 100% sense for Torah keepers to preach this.
Then why is it that all the Apostles never took tithe in scripture?
Glad to see you successfully worked through these questions. I have been tithing for nearly 50 years now, and God has been faithful to bless and protect us through many troubles. The early years were lean, but the blessing kept adding up in most amazing ways.
Consider this: how will the nations be able to go up to Jerusalem year by year to keep Sukkot if not for 2nd tithe (cf. Isa 2:2-4, Zech 14:16-17)? Hag Sameach!
4:13 Do you now believe that tithing is a requirement? If so use the New Testament to back up your current convictions on tithes?
Here is what I want to ask. What is the real reason for the change of heart about this teaching? I am sensing an external and unnamed motivator.
Maybe you have an internal motivator not to heed this teaching….😮
Shabbat shalom
@ManfredYB The name of my channel isn't Unlearn the Lies. My internal motivator is to end the codependency that Christian leaders strive to create with their constant corruption, obfuscation, and conflation of words in the Bible.
Maybe you can explain why ktaomai is used in Luke 18:12 instead of misthos or opsonion.
I'll help, the latter two terms actually DO relate to wages or income - but they weren't used. Instead, a word related more to possessions was used. Wouldn't you expect the opposite if we are supposed to tithe from our income?
This teaching is the result of conflating Israel 7:20 and the church. The Word of God must be rightly divided.
Lex,
Bless you and all of us seeking truth. It is my heart's desire that we can have an contextual biblical discussion.
My problem with this teaching is that God said in Numbers 18:8 that the tithe was an " ordinance forever". Being a Levite is a bloodline call. It appears that you reasoned into your conclusion that the ministers wages are also to be called a tithe.
Paul rightly days that those who preach the gospel shall live from the gospel. He did not say that they are receiving of the ordinance that was granted to the Levites forever. I can't get past God saying " all the tithes" of the children of Israel forever. From Numbers 18:8-12 He keeps saying, "all."
In verses 8 & 19 "as an ordinance forever." He made it known that it is His and He is giving it to them and theirs forever. Paul never calls it a tithe or a tenth in 1 Corinthians. Please tell me if I'm wrong. Does he assign a percentage at all?
When I saw this title I went into anxiety. Have I been wrong also? I don't yet see that we missed God. The tithe forever belong to the Levites, Aaron and His sons. The ministers are too be taken care of from those who receive.
The 'care for the widow, the orphan and the stranger' is a forever command also.
@@alexanderkapsiotis8050 Yes, but there is not cap at how much of your produce you should provide them.
@@klimraamkosie The minimum is 10% once every 3 years. We can give more and at any time obviously.
Much respect for correcting yourself. God does want us to tithe and those who do so He blesses in return. Some people are going to always look for a reason not to tithe. One thing about God, He doesn’t force you to do anything. It’s as simple as if you want more; give, if you want less; keep your money. We have to obey the entire Bible not just the parts that can be manipulated to our own benefit. Check your heart if you call yourself a Christian and don’t want to tithe.
We are not under the old law.
No I have an issue with pastors that use tithes given by the church to outside extra not needed programs
I feel all of these large churches are cash cows IF they’re using the funds for people that are not getting help!
Do not think it can’t be taken away in a moments time! Sorry but not sorry the Church has failed big time in America!
Start building hope and allowing those in temporary need or full time need to
Have a small space to grow food , and to have a community of like minded in faith and build tiny homes to help. Banks will be taking back churches , and I’ve witnessed that here in my town. Do Gods will, Repent of greed and help the people in the need
So what is the Biblical math on tithing ? 10% for your church, 10% for feasts and 10% for widows and fatherless. That is 30% of your income. Or is it 10% in total and divide it by 3, keeping the one for the poor and handing it out once every three years. Like how do you put this into your budget? Anyone please respond.
You forgot to factor in Bidens 40%
@@ronnieturner1356Government's closer to 60%, so you get to keep 10%! Congrats. :)
@@thecatalysm5658 [Jhn 9:4 KJV] 4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
@@thecatalysm5658 Taxes on taxes I know I just rounded to 40% It's alot more Sad thing is we get very little for all the taxes and if you add the poor man's tax = inflation you can see why nobody wants to work.
First and foremost you must understand that this tithing was and never was intended to be paid with money and it wasn't an income based tax ,in fact only landowners who raised farm produce and or herds from the promised land were required to even bring this tithe of produce
Thank you so much for correcting this...because when we tithed we were so blessed ..n then my husband thought like you that we did not have to...but I knew this was not true ...I'm so thankful that you did this video...we love your teachings and appreciate your ministry
How often should we tithe?
Does the Scripture teach monthly tithing?
do you get paid once a month? If so then yes. Paid once a week? Then tithe once per week.
@@jonwick5824
Huh?🤔
So Give us a Scripture about thites that God said , is a Must payment to contribute when you earn a Salary ❓
@@Family-pj4zm Malachi 3:10 (NKJV) “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this,” Says the Lord of hosts, “If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it.”
@Family-pj4zm andd6 Matthew 22:21. Render unto Ceasar... I don't feel like looking it up, copying and pasting, so check it out. Give Ceasars what is Ceasars; which is the government and render unto God what is God's
No money tithe is taught in the scriptures
John 2:21 Jesus is the temple,
1 Corinthians 6:19 Our bodies are also His temple.
Hebrews 4:14 Jesus is the Great High Priest in heavenly sanctuary
1 Peter 2:9 We are a royal priesthood
If we are already working as a team with Jesus, do we still need to tithe as an obligation?
What done happened to you sir? You had it right initially. When you brought up Malachi the 3rd chapter I almost fell out of my chair If you know the Malachi story the people did bring their tithes. I was the back slidden priest who misused the tithes. Please go back and correct this sir
Very good Information on purpose. Another question is what did the people of God do with what they had after the tithe? Were they allowed to waste it or did they maintain a mentality of generosity and community with the extra??? Hmmm
Man turned it into giving money. Period.
Paul said in one of the epistles give how the Lord has prospered you. Plus the tithe was 3 tithes plus offering for the widows , the fatherless and the Levitts.
Is it that you would take 10 % for your church or ministery and another 10 for the feast days and another for seniors a total of 30% set aside or how would this work mathematically
Ancient Israel didn't have a modern welfare system of taxes. Most Americans pay an average of 15 to 35 percent of his or her money in the form of a graduated tax system.
Ancient Israel had a 23.3 percent tax system of tithes.
Give according to how God leads you in the New covenant. 2 Corinthians 9:7.
Therefore, most people have the ability to receive some unemployment if they have a job loss, police, and fire protection. Of course property taxes that pay for public schools etc.
I believe in tithing and we need some guidance here. The third tithe is to be taken in the third year so in that year 30% should be set aside?
Should a farmer tithe on their gross or net income LoL strain at knats. Some yrs can loose money. What then ? It's a matter of the heart. Not the letter of the law. Some winder if tithe should be on their 401K. LoL. Cheat , steel , lie, be covtousness ( call it good lol) the worry about tithing. Lol. Yeh maybe be like the rich young ruler. Stop trusting worldly wealth..Sell 'all : - give to the poor. And start trusting and ttuelly following the real JESUS. and really make HIM the true LORD of ourselves. Solar eclipse in April. Forms Captal "A" over all North Americia..WAKE up is this the beginning of the.7 yr transition. To the next 1000 yrs. What is this yr this fall etc going to bring. Yet some worry about their 401 K LoL
There seems to be a lot of jumping back and forth from Old Testament to New. My question is this: Are we under grace (New Testament) or bound by law (Old Testament)? If we are under grace then why are we obeying laws from the Old Testament? And if we are commanded to obey the "laws" then why are we not taught to abide by ALL of them? I am not suggesting that we should not give to the church, but referring to the Ole Testament tithe as a guideline seems wrong.
The love of Yeshua and discipline of the Father (law)
LEX, I KNOW YOU ALREADY KNEW THE "BACKLASH" YOU WOULD GET FOR DOING THIS REVISION, AND NO DISRESPECT INTENDED TO EVERYONE THAT HOLDS TO AN OPPOSING VIEW, I WANT TO =THANK YOU= FOR SPEAKING WHAT YOU FEEL IS =TRUE= AND =CORRECTING= WHAT YOU FEEL IS ERROR.... ==REGARDLESS== OF THE BACKLASH YOU KNEW YOU WOULD RECEIVE.... THANK YOU.
@@frc744I’ve been here before. I think it’s best to give the teacher in this case the benefit of the doubt. I don’t buy in to his teaching on this at all. I also am trying to avoid taking offense at causing a backlash when trying to point out an error. I guess this is social media after all.
Its not a backlash when someone is making error ,,, Obvious we have people who read the bible also ,,, You can't make a video that has lots on incorrect information and then expect everyone to clap for you
@@dryolymatics007 Well said. 🙏✝️🙏
Does the church struggle financially? I don't think so.
The thing is the giving practiced by early Christians was not tithing or 10%. It was giving according to each ones heart's desire. Tithing is legalism.
"Legalism" is the liar's way of calling God a liar while claiming to follow Him.
What is it going to take for followers of Yahuah to finally understand and discern that once we are consecrated to Yah we no longer offer any other sacrifice apart from our whole self. To give and to support the “church” or any other members of the body of Christ should be a natural part of our commitment to love YHWH and others as ourselves. I am so disappointed in this “new” revision. There’s such a lack of understanding throughout the churches on this topic.
I'm sorry lex I love you but you are erroneously teaching something here that was specified to be for the Levites.
I love your ministry and would support you in a heartbeat wherever I can because I believe you mostly teach truth but don't do this, this would be adding to the word shalom.
Will, do you believe we should do as Jesus said? If so, we should tithe.
Paul said he didn’t collect reward (tithe) in 1 Corinthians 9: 13-16
I am so glad that I am no longer under the law to all these rules. Jesus set me free, he redeemed me out of that system. He knew i had broken all the laws but now I am free from ALL my debt it is paid off by him forever.
Where did the Apostles teach tithing?
THe subject of tithing shouldn't be a controversey. THough, in this NT era, 10% shouldn't be mandated, I see it as a starting poiint: some well off can afford to give more, but others can't give that much. Therefore, they can give in other ways, like giving of time and talents. Above all, we all should WANT to tithe and offer and look forward to it. We can all tithe in money, time and/or talents and there's absolutely no reason not to. The 2 common excuses are: "I don't have time", but they can be found at parties Saturday nite and makes us question their salvation. The other is "there's nothing left over after I pay the bills" when many of them have many tatoos or fancy cars. And everyone should be willing to financially support any cause they beleive in, to put our money where our mouths are.
Very good explanation sir... I was waiting for it... I'm very impressed :) In the future, please do not waste yours and others' time...
I had stopped tithing because I listened to another preacher who submitted some thoughts as you did in the old video. Lord I repent openly and will return to tithing as you instruct 🙌
Pray and ask God for his understanding, not in man. Work out your own salvation with fear and tremble. Praying for you, brother 🙏🏾 ...
Each one must give AS HE HAS DECIDED IN HIS HEART, NOT reluctantly or UNDER COMPULSION, for GOD LOVES A CHEERFUL GIVER. 2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV
Preachers are not fill ins for the Levites. What a twist of scriptures
So "now" you have been enlightened. You NOW believe its a sin NOT to tithe. Paul, Peter, nor John did not teach it. In fact, when Paul does deal with it....."let every man give as he has purposed in his own heart"..... he tells the rich to be willing to share in Timothy (why did he NOT mention tithe?)
Lastly, the church for the most part IS NOT IN ANY NEED $$$$ IMO. Rather repentance and seeking the Lord.
The man in the video says it all belongs to the Lord. Exactly!!!!! Not just 10%. Hence, if God has our heart we give that which He would have us to. In some cases more. This accords with 2 Cor.
You made a point! In 1 Corinthians 9:7-11 but it didn’t say tithe?? Living from the gospel doesn’t mean tithing… maybe it’s offering or maybe it’s tithing??, but God loves a cheerful giver!
I trust your interpretation more today because you are willing to accept that something might be wrong on your part. I'm not saying you were wrong. I'm saying if you find that you might have been wrong, you will stand accountable 👍. Thanks for your vigorous work. I have 2 choices, either never read the Bible or do everything I can to know who God is. I can read well, but do not comprehend the Bible well enough. Again, thank you very much, lex.
Read exploits of Faith you will read the Bible and comprehend it well with time and your life will change forever your wealth your health your spirit your self - everything will change 👍
Did Jesus Christ, Apostle Paul and Peter tithe? If those three didn't tithe, why should Christitans tithe?
This is a bit disappointing compared to previous video. This is like re-learning the lies. I respect your views. I think you didn't employ the timelines/covenants/generations.
In the New Testament, we are all Levites or priests in the kingdom. You are trying to put new wine in the old wine skin
I felt that.
Always take care of your preacher ... especially if he is a good one . But always check him out . Tithing 10% of what you have to give is what I always believed to be the norm . But it's important to tithe where you are fed. My opinion.
So should we give the ministers grain and milk? because the tithes no where in scripture is ever money. Sir I don't know what happened since the first tithing video, but you are absolutely wrong in this teaching. You are trying to bend the scripture to satisfy your own desire. We must rightly divide the Word of God not try to make it fit our agenda.
We aren't obligated by a mandatory money tithe to keep up a church building or ministers.offerings are for that purpose
Dang dude. Pump the brakes. If you got everything so figured out. Why don't I and everyone else know who you are?
Szuper!
Question in Deut 14:24-26, The tithes that you were to carry was in the form of food. In this Scripture if you were able to carry the tithe you would then eat the tithe(food) at the place where God chooses to put his name(place of worship)?
Should we continue to give even though they're not preaching the truth?
Please advise. 🙏
Find a church that does preach the truth
@@unlearnthelies
Where?
Cornerfringe ministries
What about Malaci chapter 3. ??
If you are a Son of Jacob, with the Temple in Jerusalem, and the Levites are ministering in the Temple? If so, then you must tithe and don’t forget to bring an animal sacrifice. “The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel..” Not the church.
I think you are correct that tithing is still necesarry, but I think when you don't have livestock or a farm it is very difficult to translate this to what the law actually requires. In my opinion tithing shows that we are depending on God for a bountiful harvest and give back from the land. It makes only sense that if you don't own land, it should be your income, because if you did own land and give out 10% isn't that exactly the same as giving 10% of your income? If you read the whole bible about about giving, 10% should be an embarrassing low amount if we only should give that. It is however a trend I think within churches to find the bare minimum. Should we tithe? Is it necessary? Should we still celebrate the feast or is it not necessary? I see less and less believers asking what more we can do to show our love instead of finding out what we don't have to do anymore! We should have a heart of giving and find out in the end that we gave out like 25% percent of our blessings. Thank you Lex for this message!
The Law says that _anything_ that can qualify as income is to be tithed. Ppl subscribe to the extremely false notion that it can only be crops or livestock, but Gen. 14 shows Abraham tithing battle spoils.
Tithing is not necessary. Where is your Jewish temple in Jerusalem to send it and where are the levites in that temple to recieve it
@@theeternalsbeliever1779you need to actually read your Bible you missed it by a mile
Was Abraham commanded to give a tithe? Scriptures only show this was the only time Abraham tithe after a battle . Also what did He do with the remaining 90 percent? Then follow His example all the way and don’t pick just part of it.
1Cor. 9:13. I have NEVER heard the gospel from Sunday Christianity.
No matter how true the message/teaching of salvation is, it is not the gospel Christ taught, and demanded be preached.
Mk. 1:14-15.
You have unlearned the truth.....?
How do you explain that carpenters, fishermen, tax collectors, physicians, basically all non agriculture related professions did not tithe? Abram did not tithe off of his tremendous wealth, no hint of him doing this systematically, only the spoils of war.
Nope this isnt truthful at all. Christ lives in us now and we are all instructed to tell the world about Him. It isnt the duty of someone who goes to "ministry school" to spread the gospel. We are all carriers of THE KINGDOM.
it seems hard to believe that God requires something that is simply not very clear. i don't see a slam dunk on either side of the debate and highly respected theologians differ on the understand of tithing, as well.
I am Suresh from India I praise our God yehovah through Jesus for your frankness and admitting truth.❤
So if you don't belong to a church. Where do the tithes go?
@@MichelleChidembo a ministry of God and the poor... even though you can't find a church that you are 100% in agreeance with we are called to have corporate worship...please try to find a local church to fellowship with
🗨 Michelle 🗨 This is one of the reasons I'm a little intrigued by those who can't make a stand to join a church. If you feel there's none out there for your particular beliefs, why not start your own denomination, or at least a ministry. This way no need be confused over the matter.
If this suggestion might not be an option for you, then consider paying tithe to a church denomination you feel most comfortable with.
We know that God delights in a cheerful giver and your contributions won't go unnoticed by God.
Happy tithe giving! 😇
🗨 Suresh 🗨 Yes, it's so good that Lex is willing to acknowledge if he was wrong. I believe he's sincere in his teachings and wants to share the truth only.
At the end of the day, you can't argue against peoples' testimonies. Mine is included in the myriad of stories of how God has blessed them immeasurably when they return their tithe and give above and beyond that as the Spirit leads. Is it a sin not to tithe? After all of this research into what tithing really meant and what it now means, I'm not sure. What I do know though, is that since my wife and I started tithing and giving above and beyond that, there is immense peace, joy, and protection in our marriage. We have never lacked necessities. Can we buy anything we want? Certainly not. The blessings God can pour out on us stretch far above financial, and I never want to stop tithing as many know it today because it isn't what many people originally thought it meant or it's not "required."
No, you can't argue against people's testimonies about tithing, many of which will tell you that they simply went broke. And subjective evidence has no bearing on biblical truth. Today's version of tithing from earned wages has no biblical precedent so it can't be seen as a universal mandate but there's nothing wrong with practicing tithing by choice to a church or otherwise, with money or otherwise.
@@markb7067 Hmm, I've spoken to many Christians who tithe regularly, and even give above and beyond that as the Spirit leads, and have not once heard of someone going broke. Obviously if you give 10%, then go out and buy a bunch of luxuries you can't afford with your budget and then blame it on God for making you go broke, that's a different story. To say that tithing is making people go broke, it sounds like the issue does not lie in their giving 10% to the church. My wife and I have had tough seasons financially, but we always give 10% off the top and God always provides what we need.
I will never tithe to a church ever again!
What a great teaching. I would add choosing your temple / church carefully. Does your pastor know and swear by the name of the father whom I know as Yehovah? Does your pastor know and keep the sacred days? Jer 12:16-17??? Praise His Holy Name
A 'requirement' to tithe is a legalism. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. He came to fulfill the law on our behalf. He paid my bill in full. Now, instead of paying 23.33% of my income compulsorily, I seek to give whatever amount God leads me to give, to whom God leads me to give. This includes the Holy Spirit telling me to hand money the other day to a woman I'd never met; I saw her, the Lord told me the amount I should hand her, and I acted in obedience; all glory to God, for I am just cooperating with Him in love.
About 25 years ago I read an old book called _The Tithe in Scripture_ by Henry Lansdell. At the time I believed in the requirement to tithe. Lansdell taught on the 3 different tithes and his writing fully supported tithing as a requirement.... but as I read, the Lord ministered truth to me, and when I'd finished the book I knew Lansdell was incorrect. We have been set free from "do the requirements, *or else!"* and now we are to give cheerfully and willingly as we purpose in our hearts (by the leading of the Holy Spirit) to *give.*
Ámmen!
I understand Old Testament tithing… but wasn’t tithing apart their tax system? Some of us are paying 40% of our income in taxes to the government … how can we afford to pay another 10% to our church? Most of us can’t live off of 50% of our income. And we can’t get a true teaching on this because it’s pastors who teach it, so of course they want us to give them our money. This is actually stressing me out.
Don't let it stress you out. We're free to give as we're led and as we're able but no bound to pay as many would have us believe.
Thank you for revisiting this important topic. I’ve watched your previous video about tithe a few times and though I agreed with some of what you said, I questioned the rest. You obviously learned or discovered more since and I admire you for admitting and correcting an error. We’re always learning. My advise to those who are unsure or don’t agree with tithing, just ask yourself how much is God worth to you?
God Bless
More than money.
How much is God worth to you? lol. You really don't understand what salvation is. I suggest for you to really take the time to study why we need a savior. If you do that then go back and read your comment and you will see how wrong your statement really is.
More than an obligated 10%. He loves a cheerful giver.
I guess I can't justify doing anything else but giving all I have to my church. I will sell my house and car asap...
I have to say that this is by far one of the dumbest comments I have ever seen on the issue of tithing. The idea you think someone is to give according to how much God is worth to them is insane. We are clearly taught in the Bible that Jesus paid a debt that we could not ever pay. Your comment leads to salvation being earned and you don't even realize it. This is the problem with many Christians. You come up with something that sounds good but not think about where it logically leads too. Stop with phrases that have a decent sound to it. They do more damage than good
You had it right the first time, it is now that you are wrong!
You ignored one of your main points from previous videos. You just acted like you never talked about what was actually tithed before. Nobody is against tithing, they’re against tithing incorrectly. You didn’t address everything in your own previous videos and that’s a pretty big red flag.
I think the objective is clear here. The 1st video was NOT in error
So let me understand correctly
1. every year, we allocate and dispense 20% as tithes, 10% for running of the church and 10% for celebration of the 7 feasts
2. every 3rd year, we allocate 30%. the extra 10% is to be dispensed to help the poor
correct?
yes, but for making it easier on the third year, you can divide that tithe into 3 years and save it up until the third year. But Yes, there are 3 distinct tithes mentioned in the Bible.
@@unlearnthelies so technically allocate approximately 25% of earnings yearly
@@achiepalaago please proof via the scriptures that Unlearn had misquoted the Bible?
@PCLye Tithes were NEVER money only food and livestock - that's why the pharisees gave a tithe of mint and herbs not Money. There were at least 3 types which added up to about 23% not 10%. Only those who worked on the land and bore fruits from it were to tithe. That's why the disciples never gave a tithe because they were fishermen. That's why the pharisees who the Bible describes as " lovers of money" tithed mint, spices that they got from their personal gardens and not money.
When christ died, and said it's finished there's a reason why the veil in the holiest part of the temple was torn into 2 right in the middle. It signaled an end to that system to works. Now, the Bible encourages cheerful giving. Not giving by obligation. Giving as one purposes in their heart. That 10% works only on biblically illiterate people. No example in the entirety of scripture supports this 10% of income scam. Just simple common sense and an ability to read should be enough to see this.
@@achiepalaago you are providing your opinion not proofs...
In the Bible it is clearly said, you can convert your grains and animals allocated for tithes to money and use as it deem right...
Tithing was animals. spices .veggies. wine,olive oil etc .not money.
I’d like to see your list of verses to support this declaration that money was never considered tithe. If tithes were the WAGES of the levites, then how would they have anything but food if tithe was only food? 10% of all your increase is the commandment. Your increase comes in many forms. Your increase can be converted into many forms. It’s still your increase. Levites needed money just as all Israelites did. Money was a LARGE form of the tithe.
@@Dr.Reason you didn’t post any scripture to back this up
@@marcosromero7952 true indeed. And I readily agree that money per-sey is not listed in the descriptions of Tithe.
So now having said that, let me ask you this: Is God unjust? I expect the answer is No.
So why do you suppose that God only “taxed” the farmers and ranchers, leaving the plumbers and carpenters off the hook?
If I don’t grow cops or raise cattle then I don’t need to tithe, right?
Doesn’t it seem obvious that God was speaking to an agricultural society? Don’t we find Scripture that lets one exchange their tithe of crops for money to make the long voyage, then buy the goods of tithe once they arrived? Didn’t Abram give “a tenth part of all,” to Mechizadec? (Hebrews 7:2). I’m pretty sure Abram recovered more that the specified crops and animal to be tithed, so what does it mean by “all”?
Doesn’t Malachi 3:8-10 give more admonition than not tithing crops because you found a loophole?
Isn’t it just possible that carpenters in Jesus day had to spend of their increase to buy their tithes to wave before the Lord?
So it seems to me that the simple statement of fact presented as the cause for this discussion, while obviously and technically true, may require a bit of deeper understanding for an honest application.
@@Dr.Reason to answer your long question with a short answer. They were not off the hook. They gave offerings but were not liable for tithes because tithes were always food from the ground or from animals. Tent makers didn’t tithes but they still gave to support, as did carpenters, etc. the argument isn’t against giving or that God is unjust it’s simply that God had a reason for the tithe and a reason for it only coming from something only he could produce.
@@marcosromero7952 it’s not often I find myself on the side of arguing something not clearly laid out in Scripture, so I have to give you this one. Just be really careful you don’t promote the idea of robbing God. Offerings are not biblically a replacement of tithes. Tithes are required while offerings are given freely.
The government takes more than 50 percent of what we make. God raises up all governments no matter how evil. Our taxes seems to count as tithes. If we give any more we will have nothing left.
Call it an offering. Tithes is not required, Offerings are expected but to be given cheerfully. Opening the windows of heaven and The pouring out the blessing refers to "RAIN". Without rain, crops/produce cannot successfully grow. If the windows of heaven were shut up, then no rain, and therefore no fruit/produce/healthy livestock to pay the tithes. Let's not add to the Word, but take it as it says. Your first video was well on point.
this video you’re making two different argument. No one argues the man who does the work of God should not be Fed or get paid from the offering and giving the church receives. The question is should people still need tithes 10% or not?