What if Ultron grab Nat because he wanted his own Pepper Potts remember Fury said she had no problem taking order Pepp do the same she just question Tony at the end
Ultron believed Wanda wouldn't know until its too late, his plan was shielded until the synth body + gem was read in the truck. I think the gem component is the wildcard that blew up his masterplan
To be fair, Ultron wasn't worried about the Avengers most of the time, he had a different agenda: get enough vibranium to build new bodies, which he achieves, and lift an entire city to launch it against the the crater, which he achieves, and as we learn later in Civil War, it causes *a lot* of damage. He only deals with the Avengers when they appear in his path.
i hope they bring this character back in the future. He has so much potential untapped potential I honestly wouldn't be suprised if he has another copy of himself out there
I still think he’s coming back and marvel knew this whole time. He said to Wanda “you’ll tear them apart from the inside”…. And now Wanda is becoming a villain (ish) and she’s clearly messing with the structure of the multiverse which is pretty much what phase 5 is all about. Ultron will be back!!
My favorite part about him was his dialog. His lines were fantastic and well delivered by James Spader. "The human race will have every opportunity to improve." "And if they don't?" "Ask Noah." I absolutely love that line.
@@RRR-nf1py Ultron only said that to Wanda to hypnotize the Avengers into their own nightmares if they will interfere on their search for vibranium. He is just using the Maximoffs to buy more time while humiliating the Avengers on their flaws as heroes. He trusted the siblings to survive but he wouldn't mind if they die in the apocalypse as long as he has the Vision's body. But because we watchers can bring out more meaning to Marvel movies, we also noticed that Ultron really made a point that the Avengers have flaws and it kept haunting and bringing up to them to the point that they ended up fighting each other which is in Captain America: Civil War. The Ragnarok was meant to happen and Thor just initially misunderstood it. The other Avengers, however, really broke them apart because of their contradicting ideals which would affect the Earth in attaining peace. Wanda was just a medium for Ultron to unlock their deepest secrets, unnoticed mistakes, and possible consequences to break their minds yet some of Wanda's spell had actually reveal possible futures which are the Ragnarok and the Infinity War. There's nothing much to tear on the surviving Avengers's minds when they are starting to get better as heroes after Endgame. Wanda is the only one who is still at the dark and is embracing it even more so if she tries to mess them through their minds, its just about feeling her uncontrolled emotions that we saw on the people of Westview in WandaVision... The only hint that Ultron could still exist is his red glowing head that Peter Parker found in Spiderman: Homecoming.
There's something very eerie with Vision during the dialogue with Ultron and during Wandavision finale when he confronts himself, Paul Bettany did a good job with the character and the way he talks
I think Ultron was terrifying because I believe he's not dead. He lives in the computer networks of our entire planet and if he gets into an advanced robotics manufacturing facility again, he will build a new army.
I always felt that was the original intent. Ultron had a plan greater than any of his individual fights. Matched with Tony's obsession, it made sense for him to be very careless with his robot bodies. None of them mattered as long as His Vision was made.
@@darky1595 the same thing that is terrifying about a human comedian that keeps cracking jokes. If not, then someone needs to tell DC that the Joker is a failed venture and to give it up 😜
@@trevorthornley8835 he fucking murdered one of them and got an entire city destroyed because of his plans. Not to mention his whole intention was to wipe out all of humanity. Loki never wanted mass genocide- Ultron was clearly a much higher threat. Thanos however obviously takes the cake lol.
@@will_da_man_ he didn't challenge the heroes in any way and got his ass handed to him. The heroes constantly were joking taking away any tension. All Ultron did was send useless robots to them. Scarlet witch was more of a villain then he was. At least she did something that affected them. For a little while at least. You want the heroes overcome the villain otherwise what's the point?
Real talk though ScreenCrush, there's no way Ultron is the weakest villain in the MCU in any real way. Most villains especially in the earlier phases were worse than Ultron. Stain, Red Skull, Ronan, etc. Ultron no matter how you slice it is better than most villains in the MCU even if he was a disappointment. He at least had a goal, a human side, and other things guys like Maleketh, Pierce, and......that guy from Iron Man 3 wish they could have. I think Ultron is comfortably in the top 10 MCU villains objectively speaking, your not really convincing me guys like Dormammu or.....that group from Doctor Strange are better villains. In fact aside from a few rare exceptions like Loki, AOU is pretty much the starting point for good villains in the MCU. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find someone to say unironically. "Man.....Thanos was great, but you know what villain was really better? Red Skull".
@@Schnäbifätzer if he's talking threats then ultron is worse than thanos because ultron was willing to destroy the whole human population while thanos only wanted to take out half. We see how much of a threat ultron cpuldve been if he winded up getting his conscious inside vision.
Comics Ultron was supposed to be an unbridled expression of Hank Pym's self-loathing. Ant-man was never satisfied with himself. His power was to shrink. Early comics Wasp was always ogling other guys. Eventually he tries to impress his wife by becoming Giant-man. Then Goliath. Then Yellowjacket. He never felt he measured up. Ultron thus hated Hank because Hank hated himself. Only a few mainstream comics actually did a really good job reflecting this. By contrast any time Tony didn't measure up he rebuilt his armor...but not himself. I was really hoping the movies would lean into this but with Iron-man, since his MCU arc is similarly self-deprecating. Missed opportunity...he targeted humanity, but would have been better for the movie if he made it personal.
Ultron's reference to children being "smaller people" is meant to parallel Tony calling Haweye's children "smaller agents." The reason Ultron is so sarcastic and smug is because he is a clone of Tony Stark's personality. In fact, the movie goes a long way to critique this Achilles heel the two share. If it weren't for the rest of the Avengers, Stark himself would be getting knocked all over the place as well. It is a brilliant use of storytelling to show the team itself will be indispensable for the coming threat. What If...builds a bit further on the message that this was specifically Tony's flaw and Ultron could have evolved despite that if he'd acquired full use of the mind stone. It's literally Tony's ego the Avengers are fighting (including the additional "puppets" as backup).
I think Screencrush got the reference, and understands that Ultron is based on Stark. But that doesn’t mean that Ultron always has to be cracking corny and silly jokes. The movie tries too hard to make the point that Ultron was just “born” and has the maturity of a child. He just comes across as a child in a killer robot’s body, which isn’t threatening, especially when he keeps cracking jokes.
@@obtsfan but that is who Tony is. Steve in Avengers to Tony, “Is everything a joke to you?” Ultron is a killer “robot” that doesn’t think he is a killer “robot”. That in and of itself has a level of humor and irony to it. “We can create Ultron's perfect self without the homicidal glitches he thinks are his winning personality.” -Tony Stark “Ultron can't see the difference between saving the world and destroying it. Where do you think he gets that?” -Wanda
@@cheshirekat528 yeah I get all of that. I have a feeling this point is going to have a hard time being understood, but Ultron’s personality didn’t HAVE to be written as resembling Tony’s. It’s an interesting concept, sure, but it simply makes him less threatening of a villain. Jarvis was created by Tony, but he isn’t always cracking the same jokes that Tony is. And if anything, Ultron should have taken on more persona cues from Jarvis than from Tony. And a joke-cracking Ultron isn’t even canon, in terms of the comics. We could’ve had a much more ominous, threatening, cold-hearted, psychotic Ultron, like a robotic Thanos, rather than a silly, immature, cutesie Ultron. For being one of the big bad guys of the MCU, Ultron wasn’t scary enough. If we really needed him to crack jokes, then he could’ve cracked them like TARS from Interstellar. He was still robotic, funny, and could be taken seriously. Rather than being silly and self deprecating, he joked about blowing the crew out of the air hatch. Sprinkle in some Hannibal Lector or some Bill "The Butcher" Cutting. That’s the kind of dark humor that Ultron could’ve had, and he would’ve been terrifying.
@@obtsfan I understand your point. I am not a reader of the comics, so I can not speak to how Ultron is in them. I enjoyed the Ultron that was presented. Not everyone has to, it is all good. I do think that his particular story could have benefited from more than one movie. It did feel as if they barely scratched the surface of the level of threat he could be. Maybe that was the point, they already knew they wanted Thanos to shine as the big built up baddie of what they had going on at the time. So they did not want To write Ultron in a way that he could be a threat for Thanos. I get that they could have done so much more with him, they didn’t, and I am ok with that. I was entertained and enjoy the movie upon rewatchings. It played its part In the bigger story that was happening and the events of it are still relevant to the story ongoing. Who knows we may still see the Ultron you are hoping for ✌️😁
Despite all its flaws, the single thing that made me LOVE this movie the way I do is James Spader's voice performance. I thought he did absolutely the best anyone could have with the script he was given.
He’s just like thanos his goal doesn’t involve the avengers. He knows that they’re not strong enough on their own and only becomes worried when they steal vision who locks him out of the net
Not a fair comparison. Thanos is an ancient, intergalactic warmonger. He's been focused on his plan for a long time, and the only relevence Earth has to it is that there happens to be a couple of Infinity Stones there. So whoever is protecting those stones must be eliminated. Ultron is only just "born" on Earth. Whatever his ultimate plan, the Avengers are clearly his primary obstacle to achieving it. So his goal clearly DOES involve the Avengers. Their extinction - he says it himself.
@@xJavelin1 In the comics when he failed to defeat the avengers, he traveled to space and started conquering entire galaxy stretching empires so he started to attack the universe and the avengers from the "outside" not from earth.
Ita embarrassing for a super AI not having backups. Anyway, the movie explored him bad,cause Ultron would be much more powerful like in what if. First backups. Ultron could just clone himself thousand of times. Second, no need to show himself at first, he can just turn off thousands of global servers... Well this can go on and on just talking in the ultimate AI with internet acess
I don't understand why they rushed his story so quickly instead of giving him an entire Arc and a two Part movie like Thanos, in the comics, he is a Thanos\Galactus Level Threat. Such a wasted opportunity and potential. Especially when Disney didn't own the rights for the fantastic Four and xmen villains back then, so they could've easily done a two huge villains Arc in the last decade and a half, one for Ultron and a one for Thanos.
@@darky1595 or just have him defeated in the final battle but at the same time show that he has other plans still ongoing to show that even if you defeat 1 copy nothing has change
Personally I feel an easy way to make him a better villain would be for him to start out as weak and exactly like Tony. He gets his ass repteadly handed to him and remade, and he acts like Tony each time. However, there's a notable progression throughout- he starts becoming more powerful, makes less witty remarks and his voice sounds more robotic with each fight. He anticipates all their moves and yeah, begins to use all their tech against him. Eventually the final evolution we see of Ultron would be the comic Ultron, one who is able to take all the avengers at once and almost rarely even talks. Showing ultron not only developing his skills but his own personality, as well as emphasizing his hatred for Tony, seeing Tony's hypocrisy, negligence, ambition, previous actions, and his attempts to fix his sins through more violence as the sole reason for humanity's downfall. Basically viewing the man he was designed to be, and his creator, as the worst thing humanity has created.
Ryan one minute: Ultron is so weak! He tried to kill the world with a city and failed! Ryan when the ad plays: *I carved an entire chicken in the break room.*
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - Ultron Ultron defeated the Avengers permanently with this one line.
I liked the movie, but yeah, I cannot disagree it was more of a comedy than action packed, but it was during the period of time, when marvel had just the right amount of humor, and the jokes didn’t feel forced, I think WandaVision was mocking how the modern MCU is.
1) Ultron 2) Killmonger 3) Zemo 4) Joker (from _The Dark Knight)_ 5) Magneto 7) Draykov 8) The Vulture 9) Ego 10) Starro The Conqueror The best comic book movie villains in my opinion.
You missed the point then. Ultron showed the avengers they could out class and outfight him, but they couldn't stop it. He even ripped one of his bodies apart to make the point. Stark had to create vision to put an end to ultron. Another big strong villain they punch would have been a 'ow a big guy/ army ' they need to take down. Don't forget he won, his actions led to civil war which ripped the avengers apart. By having the avengers spread out then allowed thanos to just send lackies to earth, separated stark, spiderman and strange from the rest making it easier to end up snapping half the universe away. Now imagine, a villain you keep knocking down but the guy gets up every time ending up multiplying himself (a hydra by any other name) not over the course of years but days. Then add on ultron trying to evolve into the body that fortunately became vision, fail at it but still need vision to finish him off. Ultron by far not weakest.
I loved Ultron's personality, and personification. The problem is that his powers were never clearly defined. Vibranium, no Vibranium, it hardly made an impact on Ultron's strength. And all that made for weaker and unfocused fight scenes. Seeing Cap going toe to toe with Ultron. I love the fact that he's just an overgrown Edgelord, I really do. I just wish the scaling of his powers were more consistant.
so give him a siilar body in the movie and make him more menacing. Simple, just say he had a backup body not as good as vision but since he cares not about human life he can be more ruthless when fighting.
I’d say he’s a pretty good villain to split up cap and tony, cause Bruce to leave, and make the world turn against heroes. Only when all of the avengers unite is he less imposing but he beats up tony until he doesn’t care about the fight in Johannesburg. Against cap he mops the floor with him and just leaves when he loses the cradle.
I kinda like how Ultron is kind off goofy since he is created by Tony Stark, which has the same attitude. But would've liked it if they toned down the goofiness a little bit and make him more menacing.
To make Ultron a true menacing villian is I believe in the celebration scene where he first arrives he needed to kill one of the avengers. Maybe Mariah Hill. This shows what he’s capable of. A good kill would’ve been an execution of sorts. Having all eyes on him
Looking at it now, Ultron reminds me a lot of General Grievous. Villains who were terrifying and were able to take out several heroes at once, but were reduced to jokes.
Imagine that Ultron's defeat was part of his plan, and then after, idk 2 more movies, the rest of the drones that were storaged (the one oeter throws in spiderman no way home? the film with the guy with robotic wings) and he came back powerful as **** :)
They could’ve used Stark’s secret plans and make Ultron use them against the rest of the avengers, like the personalized Sentries. Not only would it make Ultron a more intimidating villain, it would expose Stark’s secrets due to his fears giving more build up through the tension leading up to civil war.
I think what you said about Ultron having different models to fight the Avengers is a really cool concept. One I wish I could have seen in Age of Ultron and What If. Like How does Ultron beat the Hulk in What If? If he had a Veronica equivalent pinning him down, that would have made more sense to me instead of just seeing him lying on the ground defeated.
You're a great content creator. Your criticism for them to improve is on point. The heroes and villains must grow in balance a formula for a great movie.
We hope he comes back as either an evolved villain with better understanding of why they fight for their goal... maybe even a better goal... OR we hope it comes back as an evolved character that's not so threatening.
Basically rewrite about 3 fight scenes in the movie. On the train Ultron grabs Cape Wrists and twists the sheild out of his hand, and throws him off the train and blasts widow. Ultron personally kills QuickSilver when he doesnt expect saying something like they are useless to him Then. And in the final fight ultron gets in a 1vs1 with Iron man Which he wins, either through Force or hacking destoying the suit. This feels better thematically, Tony is the one who built the AI, so seeing it beat him to the Ground would make sense.
It could be argued that the MCU is still in the age of Ultron. The superhero registration mandate in the Sokovia Accords, the government jumping in to control the Avengers (ie CA: Civil War), and Vision/Wanda’s relationship which is now at the root of the Scarlet Witches anger and depression, even creating Billy and Tommy (to eventually lose them), all were sparked by Ultron’s creation. So he may not have been as menacing as he could have been, but the Age of Ultron is still alive and well.
Your idea about Ultron only having a handful of sentries, each specifically designed to defeat a particular Avenger, is so cool to think about. It would have provided us with multiple unique battles and would have also allowed Ultron to challenge each character on a personal level, delivering monologues that give us an alternative view as opposed to the Avengers being near-perfect heroes. I'd love to see an iteration of this in a future MCU film.
Plus, It lets him use his powers as an Actual A.I, I didn't like how joss Whedon tried to turn him to a another loki, Loki and Zemo aren't on the level of the avengers physically so they have to rely in mind games while Ultron is the Ultimate Powerful A.I and has unlimited resources so he should put them on the edge.
What If gave us the reason why Ultron mustn't possess Vision's body at all costs. Even if it is the reason why Ultron gets defeated in the movie, the creators really could've done better and use up a lot of references in the comics yet we only started to see more creative references and originality on the later movies. It was just the hype of us watchers that time that as long as we know it's an assembled Avengers' movie, we will always gonna like it. The only thing that we have to remember is that Ultron is right on pointing the flaws of our heroes and the consequences have surfaced on Civil war, Infinity war and Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. Extinction should be the last thing to do which is why Ultron is meant to be defeated but that villain should've not been treated as a joke.
I think Ultron could've been way more menacing had he not been quipping and being a comedic relief for half the film and he actually got to shine as a terrifying villain with some doses of dark humor, like Heath ledger's Joker.
@@dabears4945 I think it’s mostly Joss Whedon that misses. I watched Avengers 1 and 2 again recently and the comedic moments were quite cringy and forced. I felt like I was laughing just because I knew the movie wanted me to.
As much as I would have loved a more comic accurate Ultrom , it would have needed a endgame type army to be dealt with and the MCU just wasnt there at that point. Killing main characters just wasnt in the table and WhatIf taughts than the avengers were really lucky in the main timeline
AoU is one of my favourite mcu films, because it’s the only one where the avengers just go about avengering. Assemble is them getting to know each other, Infinity War has them separated and Endgame is a fetch quest with a massive battle. AoU has an effective, established team working together
What I find interesting is that weve only seen the avengers fight NEW villains. Thanos JUST got the stones and didnt really understand how to use them other than the snap. Ultron was a newborn really. If he had longer he may have become more powerful and intelligent
Avengers: Age of Ultron was about the journey of the Avengers to become beings of mythology, true heroes after confronting their dark reflection in the form of Ultron, who believes that saviour figures like the Avengers are holding humanity back. Tony Stark is afraid that he has no control over the future (Why didn't you do more?) and Ultron is that fear bought to life. Ultron sees himself as the saviour the Avengers wish they could be and in a way he has a point. When Ultron first meets the team, they're celebrating a victory that in Ultron's mind they haven't earned. People like Strucker are still around standing in the way of real peace. Ultron comes to the conclusion that as long as humanity has free will, peace will never be achievable. Ultron is desperate for control to a point where he is willing to get the population down so he can rule over what's left and force them to act in accordance to his idea of morality. Ultron's way of achieving peace would be undeniably better for the world statistically, but when you take away humanity's choice to do bad, you also take away any chance for personal growth. We see this in Nick Fury and how much he's changed since Winter Soldier. Ultron says there are no strings on him but his entire sense of self worth is tied up to proving his way of doing things is better than what the Avengers have been doing. "Nothing last forever" - Natasha Romanov "Trouble, Ms Romanov. No matter who wins or loses, trouble still comes around." - Nick Fury There's a Greek marble statue of the Avengers at the end of Age of Ultron. Hawkeye's wife calls the Avengers "gods." The Avengers are brought down to earth (Clint's farm) from high above the world (Avengers tower) to be reminded what the most important part of being a hero is; preserving life. The Avengers end up with a bunker that much like Hawkeye's farm is closer to the ground and more connected to humanity. This shows that Stark and by extension the Avengers have overcome their resentment and need for control and have come the accept their role in the world as preservers of life. Also Vision is Jesus and him lifting Mjolnir shows that the Avengers have divine approval. Symbolism The reason Zack Snyder's movies are so terrible is because there's no conflict or clash of ideologies. When the heros fight the villains in a Zack Snyder film, it has all the depth of a violent football match. Comedy and tragedy is where drama comes from. You need one to contrast and enhance the other. This is how they did it in ancient Greece and it's worked out pretty well so far. The MCU doesn't take itself seriously so when they do, it's more effective. If you've ever wondered why the MCU has been dominating the box office all these years, here's your answer.
@@jackjackson2605Thor going to the pool and dreaming about the people in Asgard dying, tony and captain America chatting while cutting logs, the whole wakanda scene, the stuff with Tony seeing the avengers dead (granted that one was actually effective) and even endgame so yeah it was a giant trailer for upcoming films.
@@trevorthornley8835 Thor's vision/cave scene sets up the end of this movie and nothing else. The "Wakanda" scene (a scene that's basically an easter egg) is there to set up Ultron's endgame while also leading to a new location for an action scene. Tony and Steve's argument about free will while cutting logs is set up in Age of Ultron and completely resolved in Age of Ultron. Tony's vision was about his fear that he couldn't control everything and Ultron is that same fear brought to life. Tony overcomes this fear later when he brings Vision to life out of a desire to protect and not control.
I think Ultron was less about Ultron and more of the origin story of the Scarlett witch. They’re the first people we generally see. It’s in her home country. She meets vision and loses her brother. Is given purpose and joins the avengers. Ultron like the following avenger movies was just a conduit.
Ryan, Thanks for another good one! I really enjoy these full reviews. Screen Crush is just the best. I want to say, to be fair to Age of Ultron, that his minion-bots in What If... E9 were also comically useless. I was shaking my head and comparing them to Storm Troopers the whole time. Dozens of them surrounding Natasha in that room, blasting away, and NOT ONE struck her. Preposterous.
Since this movie came out after winter soldier, it would have been really cool to see ultron download and use all the secrets released from shield to exploit and bring down governments/people from around the world to create a more chaotic world during and after the movie.
This movie felt like it was a comedy/action movie. That's why I love Infinity War! The feeling I get whenever Tony Stark and Dr.Strange step outside to see the city panicking from the giant spaceship looming over, gives me chills every single time i see it
I felt the exact way. The trailer felt like this was going to be dark toned menacing film/villain. And when I saw it , I was bemused. Ultron is a great character and what if... ? Definitely did him justice.
I bought in because of the trailers but in the theater I felt Ultron was simply a means to move the Avengers along. He didn't seem to be written to be at his best. Just get us to the next movie.
He seems like a comedic villain. Maybe they'll bring him back in the future in a different way. And if anything, he makes Thanos look even more like a villain. I don't know if it was purposeful but it came out that way.
There was a point in this video where he said this movie was just a setup for the next few movies and that really is the bottom line of "Avengers: An encounter with Ultron over a few days that gets us Scarlet Witch and Vision on the team"
I disagree with a lot of points in this video. Ultron caused the wider public to start hating the Avengers, with the Sokovia Accord as a direct result from it. Letting him enrage Hulk and destroying Sokovia, he caused that the Avengers lost public support. This was one of his main goals, showing the world that the Avengers are not so great as everyone says. Moreover, he never needed to win a fight, he just needed to stall, like in the last fight he is just stalling for the city to rise further. And in de earlier stages of the movie, he wasn’t a great fighter, but he never lost. He was basically unbeatable, when you destroy his body, a new one returns. This gives the feeling that you’re fighting something unbeatable. True, they could have improved his fighting skills and make him more violent or something. But to say that he was a bad villain, goes to far for me.
@Dichang Feng how did Zemo make them lose public support? Enraged Hulk and Sokovia made a lot of people doubt the Avengers, with the Sokovia accords as a direct result. Zemo made the Avengers lose each other’s support and trust. And apperently I’m only allowed to have an opinion if I also read the comics? I didn’t read them, so I can just watch the movie totally unbiased and say that I think Ultron wasn’t a bad villain.
Ultron should be a ultra calculating all knowing super computer but the first thing he said when he's on... "what is this?" Whoever wrote him in the movie wrote a wrong type of bad guy or he thinks that he can bluntly stereotyping all villain into a big bad grey cgi bad guy and fans wouldn't notice.
Ultron is the best comic book movie villain because he actually CHALLENGES the ideology of the Avengers, humanity and the need for saviour figures. "You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - Ultron The Avengers have absolutely no rebuttal to this and that's way they have no way of stopping him physically until the third act. It's only after the Avengers have managed to put their individual resentments behind them and figured out what it truly means to protect the Earth (it's about preserving life) that're able get everyone of Sokovia and take down Ultron and everything he represents. "Ultron thinks we're monster, that we're what wrong with the world, this isn't just about beating him, it's about whether he's right" - Captain Steve Rogers
Ultron was planning to put his consciousness into The Vision, who is inherently indestructible. There’s only so many resources Ultron can have and facing the AVENGERS, Earths MIGHTIEST Heroes, of course he will get beaten, as Loki did when he didn’t have the team united. That is why Thanos waited, until the team was separated, because like the Other said, “to challenge them, is to court death.” Also Ultron is still out there, he may not be a main villain but I hope he comes back, he was intimidating to me, he drove the Avengers to near civil war and made them use his vision to stop him, otherwise he would have easily won. Ultron got me into the MCU and I can’t wait to see more content with him
ultron is an AI, he can be in every computer in the world. he could be working on several plans making it near impossible for them to even take him down. And the biggest nonsense is that he doesn't even have one program somewhere else. Well at least that's what the movie implies and that's a horrible implication. it will be much better to show that although Ultron was defeated, it was just one battle and he has chosen to work from the shadows more or something. Everything about Ultron feels rushed. he is an AI perversive through the internet, why is he in a rush for?
What also makes this movie great is that it has pretty much the only depiction of the true nature of The Hulk: a rampaging force of nature, a beast that can't be stopped but ultimately struggles with how the world sees him
So glad you mentioned Ultron’s opening scene. It’s one of my favorite sequences in the MCU and I wish they would have kept Spader in that tone and delivery more often.
I know it’s been said here before but MAN, Spaders voice acting is like 12/10. When they first announced it I knew it was gonna be a home run since I always enjoyed his voice in the Office. I also love that we saw his mannerisms in Ultron.
I've always felt Ultron's moving mouth made him look cartoonish. And, his voice should have sounded more "mechanical." Both, would serve to distance Ultron from humanity and make him more menacing.
Ultron in the comics: he hides his conciousness in the world wide web so he was never trully beaten, and each time he comes back, he becomes more powerful. Ultron in the MCU: Vision casts hin out of the web, so he was down in 1 movie. Also, he didn't really have enough time to prepare his scheme like other villains in other movies.
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I Think We needed another movie after age of ultron and before Civil war , because we needed to see avengers working together , yeah we got something in the begining and climax of age of ultron , but it isnt even close to comics and animated shows , we needed a movie in which avengers go against A group Of Villians like thunderbolts or masters of evil as they try to divide them apart [ like in civil war but they don't fall for it ] and they realise the power of team work and fight them together....
I agree with you, Ryan, Age of Ultron is not a perfect movie, however, I just love it. I love all the dialogues and it's also full of great action scenes. In my opinion Age of Ultron > Civil War.
Honestly, there’s no such thing as a “perfect” movie. Nothing is truly perfect. But that doesn’t automatically mean it’s “bad” or “subpar.” We enjoy non-perfect things all the time. Despite some things having more flaws than others, everything still has flaws regardless. Nothing needs to be “perfect” in order to be of good quality. It can just be good. Or great! 👍🏼 😌
Ultron is the best comic book movie villain because he actually CHALLENGES the ideology of the Avengers, humanity and the need for saviour figures. "You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - *Ultron* The Avengers have absolutely no rebuttal to this and that's way they have no way of stopping him physically until the third act. It's only after the Avengers have managed to put their individual resentments behind them and figured out what it truly means to protect the Earth *_(it's about preserving life)_* that're able get everyone of Sokovia and take down Ultron and everything he represents. "Ultron thinks we're monster, that we're what wrong with the world, this isn't just about beating him, it's about whether he's right" - Captain Steve Rogers
They're more interesting ways to challenge heroes than just saying one line. We should've felt like the avengers couldn't do anything to this guy. Not the opposite
I think the terrifying factor in Ultron's introduction is that even after you destroy his duplicate first edition physical copies... he's still in existence lingering nearby or across the planet already on phase 2 of his plan
I think the only thing I was missing in this story was Ultron attempting to lift Mjolnir. What does that look like if he can and what does it say? What does that look like if he can't, and what does that confirm about Vision and his differences?
Mostly agree. Not a fan of villains being impossible to beat until the last second when the heroes win by just luck. I'd prefer something more even, as a chess match
Yeah I totally agree. I remember when I first watched Age of Ultron when it came out, I was so disappointed by how weak Ultron was. I remember in the comics and animation how formidable he was. Ultron didn't need other weak bots, just make him strong enough to fight the whole avenger team by himself and give them trouble. But I see how they used Age of Ultron to build the MCU moving forward, which they did a great job.
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What if Ultron grab Nat because he wanted his own Pepper Potts remember Fury said she had no problem taking order Pepp do the same she just question Tony at the end
Ultron believed Wanda wouldn't know until its too late, his plan was shielded until the synth body + gem was read in the truck. I think the gem component is the wildcard that blew up his masterplan
To be fair, Ultron wasn't worried about the Avengers most of the time, he had a different agenda: get enough vibranium to build new bodies, which he achieves, and lift an entire city to launch it against the the crater, which he achieves, and as we learn later in Civil War, it causes *a lot* of damage. He only deals with the Avengers when they appear in his path.
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James Spader's performance is still great. Hope they bring him back
I wish they had brought him back for What If..? …but Ross Marquand wasn’t bad tho
Same!
He came off as too James Spader, instead of playing a character. Imo. I like Spader too, just not here
i hope they bring this character back in the future. He has so much potential untapped potential I honestly wouldn't be suprised if he has another copy of himself out there
Watch What If..? You won't regret it
I still think he’s coming back and marvel knew this whole time. He said to Wanda “you’ll tear them apart from the inside”…. And now Wanda is becoming a villain (ish) and she’s clearly messing with the structure of the multiverse which is pretty much what phase 5 is all about. Ultron will be back!!
My favorite part about him was his dialog. His lines were fantastic and well delivered by James Spader.
"The human race will have every opportunity to improve."
"And if they don't?"
"Ask Noah."
I absolutely love that line.
@@RRR-nf1py Ultron only said that to Wanda to hypnotize the Avengers into their own nightmares if they will interfere on their search for vibranium. He is just using the Maximoffs to buy more time while humiliating the Avengers on their flaws as heroes. He trusted the siblings to survive but he wouldn't mind if they die in the apocalypse as long as he has the Vision's body. But because we watchers can bring out more meaning to Marvel movies, we also noticed that Ultron really made a point that the Avengers have flaws and it kept haunting and bringing up to them to the point that they ended up fighting each other which is in Captain America: Civil War. The Ragnarok was meant to happen and Thor just initially misunderstood it. The other Avengers, however, really broke them apart because of their contradicting ideals which would affect the Earth in attaining peace. Wanda was just a medium for Ultron to unlock their deepest secrets, unnoticed mistakes, and possible consequences to break their minds yet some of Wanda's spell had actually reveal possible futures which are the Ragnarok and the Infinity War. There's nothing much to tear on the surviving Avengers's minds when they are starting to get better as heroes after Endgame. Wanda is the only one who is still at the dark and is embracing it even more so if she tries to mess them through their minds, its just about feeling her uncontrolled emotions that we saw on the people of Westview in WandaVision... The only hint that Ultron could still exist is his red glowing head that Peter Parker found in Spiderman: Homecoming.
@@JDC701 ep9 is garbage, dogwater
There's something very eerie with Vision during the dialogue with Ultron and during Wandavision finale when he confronts himself, Paul Bettany did a good job with the character and the way he talks
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That's how he gets views honestly. He uploads a video with a title or an opinion that makes us go " ok I've GOT to hear this crazy shit"
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Not going to lie, the title got me to click.
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@@bobthedopeman7327 i know, he can’t say that iron monger or the shocker are stronger than ultron
I think Ultron was terrifying because I believe he's not dead. He lives in the computer networks of our entire planet and if he gets into an advanced robotics manufacturing facility again, he will build a new army.
I always felt that was the original intent. Ultron had a plan greater than any of his individual fights. Matched with Tony's obsession, it made sense for him to be very careless with his robot bodies. None of them mattered as long as His Vision was made.
What is terrifying about a comedian robot that keeps cracking jokes?!
@@darky1595 the same thing that is terrifying about a human comedian that keeps cracking jokes.
If not, then someone needs to tell DC that the Joker is a failed venture and to give it up 😜
@@darky1595 you can be funny and menacing.
@@cheshirekat528
Ultron is not a villain that should be a Comedian, it's like saying that thanos should be a Comedian.
Ryan: Ultron is a weak villain
Ultron from inside the movie: Who ... who said that?
Everyone
I really like Ultron. For an evil killer robot, I think they gave him some personality and was actually a dangerous threat.
You're smart, I really saying seriously
I agree.
What did he do to the avengers that made him a dangerous threat?
@@trevorthornley8835 he fucking murdered one of them and got an entire city destroyed because of his plans. Not to mention his whole intention was to wipe out all of humanity. Loki never wanted mass genocide- Ultron was clearly a much higher threat. Thanos however obviously takes the cake lol.
@@will_da_man_ he didn't challenge the heroes in any way and got his ass handed to him. The heroes constantly were joking taking away any tension. All Ultron did was send useless robots to them. Scarlet witch was more of a villain then he was. At least she did something that affected them. For a little while at least. You want the heroes overcome the villain otherwise what's the point?
Real talk though ScreenCrush, there's no way Ultron is the weakest villain in the MCU in any real way. Most villains especially in the earlier phases were worse than Ultron. Stain, Red Skull, Ronan, etc. Ultron no matter how you slice it is better than most villains in the MCU even if he was a disappointment. He at least had a goal, a human side, and other things guys like Maleketh, Pierce, and......that guy from Iron Man 3 wish they could have. I think Ultron is comfortably in the top 10 MCU villains objectively speaking, your not really convincing me guys like Dormammu or.....that group from Doctor Strange are better villains. In fact aside from a few rare exceptions like Loki, AOU is pretty much the starting point for good villains in the MCU. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find someone to say unironically. "Man.....Thanos was great, but you know what villain was really better? Red Skull".
I was like wtf, the problem was he should have been 2 movies. Not trying to jam everything in one.
instead of his English essay he wrote this one
I don't think he meant this in terms of the power of the villain, but in terms of the threat.
I already commented separately, but they are missing the point if Ultron he is doing everything...
@@Schnäbifätzer if he's talking threats then ultron is worse than thanos because ultron was willing to destroy the whole human population while thanos only wanted to take out half. We see how much of a threat ultron cpuldve been if he winded up getting his conscious inside vision.
Comics Ultron was supposed to be an unbridled expression of Hank Pym's self-loathing. Ant-man was never satisfied with himself. His power was to shrink. Early comics Wasp was always ogling other guys. Eventually he tries to impress his wife by becoming Giant-man. Then Goliath. Then Yellowjacket. He never felt he measured up. Ultron thus hated Hank because Hank hated himself. Only a few mainstream comics actually did a really good job reflecting this.
By contrast any time Tony didn't measure up he rebuilt his armor...but not himself.
I was really hoping the movies would lean into this but with Iron-man, since his MCU arc is similarly self-deprecating. Missed opportunity...he targeted humanity, but would have been better for the movie if he made it personal.
Ultron's reference to children being "smaller people" is meant to parallel Tony calling Haweye's children "smaller agents." The reason Ultron is so sarcastic and smug is because he is a clone of Tony Stark's personality.
In fact, the movie goes a long way to critique this Achilles heel the two share. If it weren't for the rest of the Avengers, Stark himself would be getting knocked all over the place as well.
It is a brilliant use of storytelling to show the team itself will be indispensable for the coming threat. What If...builds a bit further on the message that this was specifically Tony's flaw and Ultron could have evolved despite that if he'd acquired full use of the mind stone.
It's literally Tony's ego the Avengers are fighting (including the additional "puppets" as backup).
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I think Screencrush got the reference, and understands that Ultron is based on Stark. But that doesn’t mean that Ultron always has to be cracking corny and silly jokes. The movie tries too hard to make the point that Ultron was just “born” and has the maturity of a child. He just comes across as a child in a killer robot’s body, which isn’t threatening, especially when he keeps cracking jokes.
@@obtsfan but that is who Tony is.
Steve in Avengers to Tony, “Is everything a joke to you?”
Ultron is a killer “robot” that doesn’t think he is a killer “robot”.
That in and of itself has a level of humor and irony to it.
“We can create Ultron's perfect self without the homicidal glitches he thinks are his winning personality.” -Tony Stark
“Ultron can't see the difference between saving the world and destroying it. Where do you think he gets that?”
-Wanda
@@cheshirekat528 yeah I get all of that. I have a feeling this point is going to have a hard time being understood, but Ultron’s personality didn’t HAVE to be written as resembling Tony’s. It’s an interesting concept, sure, but it simply makes him less threatening of a villain. Jarvis was created by Tony, but he isn’t always cracking the same jokes that Tony is. And if anything, Ultron should have taken on more persona cues from Jarvis than from Tony. And a joke-cracking Ultron isn’t even canon, in terms of the comics. We could’ve had a much more ominous, threatening, cold-hearted, psychotic Ultron, like a robotic Thanos, rather than a silly, immature, cutesie Ultron. For being one of the big bad guys of the MCU, Ultron wasn’t scary enough. If we really needed him to crack jokes, then he could’ve cracked them like TARS from Interstellar. He was still robotic, funny, and could be taken seriously. Rather than being silly and self deprecating, he joked about blowing the crew out of the air hatch. Sprinkle in some Hannibal Lector or some Bill "The Butcher" Cutting. That’s the kind of dark humor that Ultron could’ve had, and he would’ve been terrifying.
@@obtsfan I understand your point.
I am not a reader of the comics, so I can not speak to how Ultron is in them.
I enjoyed the Ultron that was presented.
Not everyone has to, it is all good.
I do think that his particular story could have benefited from more than one movie. It did feel as if they barely scratched the surface of the level of threat he could be.
Maybe that was the point, they already knew they wanted Thanos to shine as the big built up baddie of what they had going on at the time. So they did not want To write Ultron in a way that he could be a threat for Thanos.
I get that they could have done so much more with him, they didn’t, and I am ok with that.
I was entertained and enjoy the movie upon rewatchings. It played its part In the bigger story that was happening and the events of it are still relevant to the story ongoing.
Who knows we may still see the Ultron you are hoping for ✌️😁
Despite all its flaws, the single thing that made me LOVE this movie the way I do is James Spader's voice performance. I thought he did absolutely the best anyone could have with the script he was given.
Spader has always been a great actor. Even if the movie is crappy, he's always entertaining to watch.
Yeah the movie sucked but he was great
Ultron's final words to Vision are what I love most about him... "You are unbearably naive."
He’s just like thanos his goal doesn’t involve the avengers. He knows that they’re not strong enough on their own and only becomes worried when they steal vision who locks him out of the net
Not a fair comparison. Thanos is an ancient, intergalactic warmonger. He's been focused on his plan for a long time, and the only relevence Earth has to it is that there happens to be a couple of Infinity Stones there. So whoever is protecting those stones must be eliminated. Ultron is only just "born" on Earth. Whatever his ultimate plan, the Avengers are clearly his primary obstacle to achieving it. So his goal clearly DOES involve the Avengers. Their extinction - he says it himself.
@@xJavelin1 would’ve won too with vision
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In the comics when he failed to defeat the avengers, he traveled to space and started conquering entire galaxy stretching empires so he started to attack the universe and the avengers from the "outside" not from earth.
"Ultron seems like some cartoon villain" lol
meanwhile, Ultron in the cartoon....
Who was actually a serious threat
Ita embarrassing for a super AI not having backups.
Anyway, the movie explored him bad,cause Ultron would be much more powerful like in what if. First backups. Ultron could just clone himself thousand of times. Second, no need to show himself at first, he can just turn off thousands of global servers... Well this can go on and on just talking in the ultimate AI with internet acess
Exactly!!!
I don't understand why they rushed his story so quickly instead of giving him an entire Arc and a two Part movie like Thanos, in the comics, he is a Thanos\Galactus Level Threat. Such a wasted opportunity and potential. Especially when Disney didn't own the rights for the fantastic Four and xmen villains back then, so they could've easily done a two huge villains Arc in the last decade and a half, one for Ultron and a one for Thanos.
@@darky1595 or just have him defeated in the final battle but at the same time show that he has other plans still ongoing to show that even if you defeat 1 copy nothing has change
By not giving him metal lips that were articulated, that always bothered me.
thank you!!! I was just saying this!!!
I always liked the ragged mouth of the comic Ultron & the first body Ultron takes in the film. >_
just like transformers ?
Age of Ultron should have been a 2 part movie. It had so much potential to be great but joss whedon goofed hard.
Personally I feel an easy way to make him a better villain would be for him to start out as weak and exactly like Tony. He gets his ass repteadly handed to him and remade, and he acts like Tony each time. However, there's a notable progression throughout- he starts becoming more powerful, makes less witty remarks and his voice sounds more robotic with each fight. He anticipates all their moves and yeah, begins to use all their tech against him. Eventually the final evolution we see of Ultron would be the comic Ultron, one who is able to take all the avengers at once and almost rarely even talks. Showing ultron not only developing his skills but his own personality, as well as emphasizing his hatred for Tony, seeing Tony's hypocrisy, negligence, ambition, previous actions, and his attempts to fix his sins through more violence as the sole reason for humanity's downfall. Basically viewing the man he was designed to be, and his creator, as the worst thing humanity has created.
Ryan one minute: Ultron is so weak! He tried to kill the world with a city and failed!
Ryan when the ad plays: *I carved an entire chicken in the break room.*
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - Ultron
Ultron defeated the Avengers permanently with this one line.
I liked the movie, but yeah, I cannot disagree it was more of a comedy than action packed, but it was during the period of time, when marvel had just the right amount of humor, and the jokes didn’t feel forced, I think WandaVision was mocking how the modern MCU is.
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That’s the best reference clip to use for that part 😂
1) Ultron
2) Killmonger
3) Zemo
4) Joker (from _The Dark Knight)_
5) Magneto
7) Draykov
8) The Vulture
9) Ego
10) Starro The Conqueror
The best comic book movie villains in my opinion.
You missed the point then. Ultron showed the avengers they could out class and outfight him, but they couldn't stop it. He even ripped one of his bodies apart to make the point. Stark had to create vision to put an end to ultron. Another big strong villain they punch would have been a 'ow a big guy/ army ' they need to take down. Don't forget he won, his actions led to civil war which ripped the avengers apart. By having the avengers spread out then allowed thanos to just send lackies to earth, separated stark, spiderman and strange from the rest making it easier to end up snapping half the universe away. Now imagine, a villain you keep knocking down but the guy gets up every time ending up multiplying himself (a hydra by any other name) not over the course of years but days. Then add on ultron trying to evolve into the body that fortunately became vision, fail at it but still need vision to finish him off. Ultron by far not weakest.
I loved Ultron's personality, and personification.
The problem is that his powers were never clearly defined. Vibranium, no Vibranium, it hardly made an impact on Ultron's strength. And all that made for weaker and unfocused fight scenes.
Seeing Cap going toe to toe with Ultron.
I love the fact that he's just an overgrown Edgelord, I really do. I just wish the scaling of his powers were more consistant.
Well stated Archtech!
And I loved Spader's performance also.
11:47 I’d argue that What If’s? Ultron became perfect EXACTLY because he got Vision’s body.
so give him a siilar body in the movie and make him more menacing. Simple, just say he had a backup body not as good as vision but since he cares not about human life he can be more ruthless when fighting.
When the Hulk throws Ultron out of the Quinn jet, Ultron stats "for God's sake" does that mean Ultron believes in God???
He might have been referring to Thor /s
He earlier talked about god getting ready to throw a meteor on earth
I’d say he’s a pretty good villain to split up cap and tony, cause Bruce to leave, and make the world turn against heroes. Only when all of the avengers unite is he less imposing but he beats up tony until he doesn’t care about the fight in Johannesburg. Against cap he mops the floor with him and just leaves when he loses the cradle.
It dosent matter whatever these reasons are, no matter what he just dosent feel like a real threat.
@@darky1595 he almost destroyed the planet
I kinda like how Ultron is kind off goofy since he is created by Tony Stark, which has the same attitude. But would've liked it if they toned down the goofiness a little bit and make him more menacing.
To make Ultron a true menacing villian is I believe in the celebration scene where he first arrives he needed to kill one of the avengers. Maybe Mariah Hill. This shows what he’s capable of. A good kill would’ve been an execution of sorts. Having all eyes on him
Ultron wasn't meant to be menacing.
@@jackjackson2605
He is in the comics.
Okay....very elaborate video. Damn it was good. I so want Ultron back in live action
Ultron was new to life and emotions as I think he acted like it. When he returns, he’ll be far wiser.
Looking at it now, Ultron reminds me a lot of General Grievous. Villains who were terrifying and were able to take out several heroes at once, but were reduced to jokes.
Imagine that Ultron's defeat was part of his plan, and then after, idk 2 more movies, the rest of the drones that were storaged (the one oeter throws in spiderman no way home? the film with the guy with robotic wings) and he came back powerful as **** :)
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Iron monger?
You should do a "fixing age of ultron" video that would be interesting
Trevor Slattery?
The Ironman villains.
They could’ve used Stark’s secret plans and make Ultron use them against the rest of the avengers, like the personalized Sentries. Not only would it make Ultron a more intimidating villain, it would expose Stark’s secrets due to his fears giving more build up through the tension leading up to civil war.
14:02 Thor's encounter with Thanos outside Wakanda is a nice allusion to this conversation. The MCU writers are more on point than you realize.
I think what you said about Ultron having different models to fight the Avengers is a really cool concept. One I wish I could have seen in Age of Ultron and What If. Like How does Ultron beat the Hulk in What If? If he had a Veronica equivalent pinning him down, that would have made more sense to me instead of just seeing him lying on the ground defeated.
They shouldn't have given him a moving face. It would have been a lot more intimidating
Ultron being nurfed is one of the greatest tragedies of the MCU
You're a great content creator. Your criticism for them to improve is on point. The heroes and villains must grow in balance a formula for a great movie.
I think the Edward Norton version of the HULK, could beat up THANOS. It's the version of the HULK that the MCU should've kept.
We hope he comes back as either an evolved villain with better understanding of why they fight for their goal... maybe even a better goal... OR we hope it comes back as an evolved character that's not so threatening.
Basically rewrite about 3 fight scenes in the movie.
On the train Ultron grabs Cape Wrists and twists the sheild out of his hand, and throws him off the train and blasts widow.
Ultron personally kills QuickSilver when he doesnt expect saying something like they are useless to him Then.
And in the final fight ultron gets in a 1vs1 with Iron man Which he wins, either through Force or hacking destoying the suit.
This feels better thematically, Tony is the one who built the AI, so seeing it beat him to the Ground would make sense.
He also dosent forget the word "children" and dosent apologise to klaw for cutting his arm, also, he dosent have lips or teeth.
It could be argued that the MCU is still in the age of Ultron. The superhero registration mandate in the Sokovia Accords, the government jumping in to control the Avengers (ie CA: Civil War), and Vision/Wanda’s relationship which is now at the root of the Scarlet Witches anger and depression, even creating Billy and Tommy (to eventually lose them), all were sparked by Ultron’s creation. So he may not have been as menacing as he could have been, but the Age of Ultron is still alive and well.
Your idea about Ultron only having a handful of sentries, each specifically designed to defeat a particular Avenger, is so cool to think about. It would have provided us with multiple unique battles and would have also allowed Ultron to challenge each character on a personal level, delivering monologues that give us an alternative view as opposed to the Avengers being near-perfect heroes. I'd love to see an iteration of this in a future MCU film.
Plus, It lets him use his powers as an Actual A.I, I didn't like how joss Whedon tried to turn him to a another loki, Loki and Zemo aren't on the level of the avengers physically so they have to rely in mind games while Ultron is the Ultimate Powerful A.I and has unlimited resources so he should put them on the edge.
now that dr doom is in the mcu, i hope he gets to revisit ultron’s revival
Ultron: sets up Avengers
Zemo: knocks down Avengers
When Ultron plays back Tony's comment about a suit of armor why did they make it sound like he was rewinding a cassette tape? lol
This had some amazing potential to be a dark superhero team movie.
Hulk to Banner in Infinity War: 8:50
What If gave us the reason why Ultron mustn't possess Vision's body at all costs. Even if it is the reason why Ultron gets defeated in the movie, the creators really could've done better and use up a lot of references in the comics yet we only started to see more creative references and originality on the later movies. It was just the hype of us watchers that time that as long as we know it's an assembled Avengers' movie, we will always gonna like it. The only thing that we have to remember is that Ultron is right on pointing the flaws of our heroes and the consequences have surfaced on Civil war, Infinity war and Falcon and the Winter Soldier series. Extinction should be the last thing to do which is why Ultron is meant to be defeated but that villain should've not been treated as a joke.
I think Ultron could've been way more menacing had he not been quipping and being a comedic relief for half the film and he actually got to shine as a terrifying villain with some doses of dark humor, like Heath ledger's Joker.
Agreed. Marvel does comedy decently well, but sometimes they miss.
nah, just him fight the avengers and have the avengers run away since they are losing badly,
@@dabears4945 I think it’s mostly Joss Whedon that misses. I watched Avengers 1 and 2 again recently and the comedic moments were quite cringy and forced. I felt like I was laughing just because I knew the movie wanted me to.
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Even loki was nerfed so hard, people think that he is a joker level character when he matches Dr strange in the comics!
As much as I would have loved a more comic accurate Ultrom , it would have needed a endgame type army to be dealt with and the MCU just wasnt there at that point. Killing main characters just wasnt in the table and WhatIf taughts than the avengers were really lucky in the main timeline
AoU is one of my favourite mcu films, because it’s the only one where the avengers just go about avengering. Assemble is them getting to know each other, Infinity War has them separated and Endgame is a fetch quest with a massive battle. AoU has an effective, established team working together
we need an “age of ultron” recut that fixes all these ultron scenes with new scenes
What I find interesting is that weve only seen the avengers fight NEW villains. Thanos JUST got the stones and didnt really understand how to use them other than the snap. Ultron was a newborn really. If he had longer he may have become more powerful and intelligent
Ahhh zemo.. commented too soon lol
Avengers: Age of Ultron was about the journey of the Avengers to become beings of mythology, true heroes after confronting their dark reflection in the form of Ultron, who believes that saviour figures like the Avengers are holding humanity back.
Tony Stark is afraid that he has no control over the future (Why didn't you do more?) and Ultron is that fear bought to life.
Ultron sees himself as the saviour the Avengers wish they could be and in a way he has a point. When Ultron first meets the team, they're celebrating a victory that in Ultron's mind they haven't earned. People like Strucker are still around standing in the way of real peace. Ultron comes to the conclusion that as long as humanity has free will, peace will never be achievable. Ultron is desperate for control to a point where he is willing to get the population down so he can rule over what's left and force them to act in accordance to his idea of morality. Ultron's way of achieving peace would be undeniably better for the world statistically, but when you take away humanity's choice to do bad, you also take away any chance for personal growth. We see this in Nick Fury and how much he's changed since Winter Soldier.
Ultron says there are no strings on him but his entire sense of self worth is tied up to proving his way of doing things is better than what the Avengers have been doing.
"Nothing last forever" - Natasha Romanov
"Trouble, Ms Romanov. No matter who wins or loses, trouble still comes around." - Nick Fury
There's a Greek marble statue of the Avengers at the end of Age of Ultron. Hawkeye's wife calls the Avengers "gods." The Avengers are brought down to earth (Clint's farm) from high above the world (Avengers tower) to be reminded what the most important part of being a hero is; preserving life. The Avengers end up with a bunker that much like Hawkeye's farm is closer to the ground and more connected to humanity. This shows that Stark and by extension the Avengers have overcome their resentment and need for control and have come the accept their role in the world as preservers of life.
Also Vision is Jesus and him lifting Mjolnir shows that the Avengers have divine approval.
Symbolism
The reason Zack Snyder's movies are so terrible is because there's no conflict or clash of ideologies. When the heros fight the villains in a Zack Snyder film, it has all the depth of a violent football match.
Comedy and tragedy is where drama comes from. You need one to contrast and enhance the other. This is how they did it in ancient Greece and it's worked out pretty well so far. The MCU doesn't take itself seriously so when they do, it's more effective.
If you've ever wondered why the MCU has been dominating the box office all these years, here's your answer.
The movie was about setting up phase 3 of the MCU. So much so that its own story fell apart
@@trevorthornley8835 Literally nothing in this movie set up anything. Future films built off Age of Ultron at best.
@@jackjackson2605Thor going to the pool and dreaming about the people in Asgard dying, tony and captain America chatting while cutting logs, the whole wakanda scene, the stuff with Tony seeing the avengers dead (granted that one was actually effective) and even endgame so yeah it was a giant trailer for upcoming films.
@@trevorthornley8835 Thor's vision/cave scene sets up the end of this movie and nothing else. The "Wakanda" scene (a scene that's basically an easter egg) is there to set up Ultron's endgame while also leading to a new location for an action scene. Tony and Steve's argument about free will while cutting logs is set up in Age of Ultron and completely resolved in Age of Ultron. Tony's vision was about his fear that he couldn't control everything and Ultron is that same fear brought to life. Tony overcomes this fear later when he brings Vision to life out of a desire to protect and not control.
??? Amatures
Screen crunch What was that punk
What if: Amatures
I think we were spoiled by the version of Ultron in ‘What if’
I think Ultron was less about Ultron and more of the origin story of the Scarlett witch. They’re the first people we generally see. It’s in her home country. She meets vision and loses her brother. Is given purpose and joins the avengers. Ultron like the following avenger movies was just a conduit.
Agree. She gets some good moments!
Ryan,
Thanks for another good one! I really enjoy these full reviews. Screen Crush is just the best.
I want to say, to be fair to Age of Ultron, that his minion-bots in What If... E9 were also comically useless. I was shaking my head and comparing them to Storm Troopers the whole time.
Dozens of them surrounding Natasha in that room, blasting away, and NOT ONE struck her.
Preposterous.
Since this movie came out after winter soldier, it would have been really cool to see ultron download and use all the secrets released from shield to exploit and bring down governments/people from around the world to create a more chaotic world during and after the movie.
The same problem happened in Avengers 1. Loki never felt threatening, he just kept getting beat up
This movie felt like it was a comedy/action movie. That's why I love Infinity War! The feeling I get whenever Tony Stark and Dr.Strange step outside to see the city panicking from the giant spaceship looming over, gives me chills every single time i see it
I felt the exact way. The trailer felt like this was going to be dark toned menacing film/villain. And when I saw it , I was bemused. Ultron is a great character and what if... ? Definitely did him justice.
I bought in because of the trailers but in the theater I felt Ultron was simply a means to move the Avengers along. He didn't seem to be written to be at his best. Just get us to the next movie.
He is the strongest in “What if”
Hard to argue with that 😁
wish they portray ultron in avengers 2 same with what if because there it felt like he was an a.i than in avengers it felt like he was a human
Ultranationalist in what if is way more intimidating than ultranationalist in age of ultron. I think that ultron was still a great villain
He seems like a comedic villain. Maybe they'll bring him back in the future in a different way. And if anything, he makes Thanos look even more like a villain. I don't know if it was purposeful but it came out that way.
There was a point in this video where he said this movie was just a setup for the next few movies and that really is the bottom line of "Avengers: An encounter with Ultron over a few days that gets us Scarlet Witch and Vision on the team"
I disagree with a lot of points in this video. Ultron caused the wider public to start hating the Avengers, with the Sokovia Accord as a direct result from it. Letting him enrage Hulk and destroying Sokovia, he caused that the Avengers lost public support. This was one of his main goals, showing the world that the Avengers are not so great as everyone says. Moreover, he never needed to win a fight, he just needed to stall, like in the last fight he is just stalling for the city to rise further. And in de earlier stages of the movie, he wasn’t a great fighter, but he never lost. He was basically unbeatable, when you destroy his body, a new one returns. This gives the feeling that you’re fighting something unbeatable.
True, they could have improved his fighting skills and make him more violent or something. But to say that he was a bad villain, goes to far for me.
@Dichang Feng how did Zemo make them lose public support? Enraged Hulk and Sokovia made a lot of people doubt the Avengers, with the Sokovia accords as a direct result. Zemo made the Avengers lose each other’s support and trust. And apperently I’m only allowed to have an opinion if I also read the comics? I didn’t read them, so I can just watch the movie totally unbiased and say that I think Ultron wasn’t a bad villain.
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If his main bodies would keep getting destroyed easily then he didn't need them and makes him less of a threat.
Ultron should be a ultra calculating all knowing super computer but the first thing he said when he's on... "what is this?"
Whoever wrote him in the movie wrote a wrong type of bad guy or he thinks that he can bluntly stereotyping all villain into a big bad grey cgi bad guy and fans wouldn't notice.
Ultron is the best comic book movie villain because he actually CHALLENGES the ideology of the Avengers, humanity and the need for saviour figures.
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - Ultron
The Avengers have absolutely no rebuttal to this and that's way they have no way of stopping him physically until the third act.
It's only after the Avengers have managed to put their individual resentments behind them and figured out what it truly means to protect the Earth (it's about preserving life) that're able get everyone of Sokovia and take down Ultron and everything he represents.
"Ultron thinks we're monster, that we're what wrong with the world, this isn't just about beating him, it's about whether he's right" - Captain Steve Rogers
Ultron was planning to put his consciousness into The Vision, who is inherently indestructible. There’s only so many resources Ultron can have and facing the AVENGERS, Earths MIGHTIEST Heroes, of course he will get beaten, as Loki did when he didn’t have the team united. That is why Thanos waited, until the team was separated, because like the Other said, “to challenge them, is to court death.” Also Ultron is still out there, he may not be a main villain but I hope he comes back, he was intimidating to me, he drove the Avengers to near civil war and made them use his vision to stop him, otherwise he would have easily won. Ultron got me into the MCU and I can’t wait to see more content with him
ultron is an AI, he can be in every computer in the world. he could be working on several plans making it near impossible for them to even take him down.
And the biggest nonsense is that he doesn't even have one program somewhere else. Well at least that's what the movie implies and that's a horrible implication.
it will be much better to show that although Ultron was defeated, it was just one battle and he has chosen to work from the shadows more or something.
Everything about Ultron feels rushed. he is an AI perversive through the internet, why is he in a rush for?
What also makes this movie great is that it has pretty much the only depiction of the true nature of The Hulk: a rampaging force of nature, a beast that can't be stopped but ultimately struggles with how the world sees him
Pietro's death meant the most to me wymm 😭 that was what made that movie worth watching
Well, he tried. I've never seen a comic book in my life, so I wasn't disappointed. AoU is still my favourite film in the MCU.
So glad you mentioned Ultron’s opening scene. It’s one of my favorite sequences in the MCU and I wish they would have kept Spader in that tone and delivery more often.
I know it’s been said here before but MAN, Spaders voice acting is like 12/10. When they first announced it I knew it was gonna be a home run since I always enjoyed his voice in the Office. I also love that we saw his mannerisms in Ultron.
I've always felt Ultron's moving mouth made him look cartoonish. And, his voice should have sounded more "mechanical." Both, would serve to distance Ultron from humanity and make him more menacing.
Ultron in the comics: he hides his conciousness in the world wide web so he was never trully beaten, and each time he comes back, he becomes more powerful.
Ultron in the MCU: Vision casts hin out of the web, so he was down in 1 movie. Also, he didn't really have enough time to prepare his scheme like other villains in other movies.
To be fair he DID have a scheme. But it was foiled by the avengers when he had the body stolen from him.
What if Ego was successful in recruiting Starlord?
Age of Ultron wasnt about Ultron. Infinity War was basically Thanos's solo film.
It felt more like Wanda origin story.
In ‘What If’ Ultron splits Thanos in half with the mind stone. Why couldn’t vision do it?
Same
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Ultron is one of my favorite mcu villains
I Think We needed another movie after age of ultron and before Civil war , because we needed to see avengers working together , yeah we got something in the begining and climax of age of ultron , but it isnt even close to comics and animated shows , we needed a movie in which avengers go against A group Of Villians like thunderbolts or masters of evil as they try to divide them apart [ like in civil war but they don't fall for it ] and they realise the power of team work and fight them together....
I agree with you, Ryan, Age of Ultron is not a perfect movie, however, I just love it. I love all the dialogues and it's also full of great action scenes. In my opinion Age of Ultron > Civil War.
Honestly, there’s no such thing as a “perfect” movie. Nothing is truly perfect. But that doesn’t automatically mean it’s “bad” or “subpar.” We enjoy non-perfect things all the time. Despite some things having more flaws than others, everything still has flaws regardless. Nothing needs to be “perfect” in order to be of good quality. It can just be good. Or great! 👍🏼 😌
Ultron is the best comic book movie villain because he actually CHALLENGES the ideology of the Avengers, humanity and the need for saviour figures.
"You want to protect the world, but you don't want it to changes, how is humanity solved if it's not allowed to... EVOLVE?" - *Ultron*
The Avengers have absolutely no rebuttal to this and that's way they have no way of stopping him physically until the third act.
It's only after the Avengers have managed to put their individual resentments behind them and figured out what it truly means to protect the Earth *_(it's about preserving life)_* that're able get everyone of Sokovia and take down Ultron and everything he represents.
"Ultron thinks we're monster, that we're what wrong with the world, this isn't just about beating him, it's about whether he's right" - Captain Steve Rogers
They're more interesting ways to challenge heroes than just saying one line. We should've felt like the avengers couldn't do anything to this guy. Not the opposite
@@trevorthornley8835 The Avengers (the original team from the first movie) couldn't do anything to stop Ultron at any point during this movie.
They called it "Age" of Ultron but it was over in relatively short time, just the title makes it seem more intense than it was. imo.
The age of Ultron was prevented by the Avengers. Kinda like Judgement Day in Terminator 2.
lmfao remember how menacing he was in the trailer ahh they really got us there
Now I know how Ultron won in What If
Ultron captured Black Widow because he wants someone to talk to about the new world he's going to create.
Ummm...if Ultron would have had Vision's body which was part of his plan... Game over!
The What If episode about Ultron shows how Ultron could have been a more dire threat than Thanos, love that episode
19:10 Age of Ultron was more about improvement and overcoming resentment than anything else.
I think the terrifying factor in Ultron's introduction is that even after you destroy his duplicate first edition physical copies... he's still in existence lingering nearby or across the planet already on phase 2 of his plan
I think the only thing I was missing in this story was Ultron attempting to lift Mjolnir. What does that look like if he can and what does it say? What does that look like if he can't, and what does that confirm about Vision and his differences?
Mostly agree. Not a fan of villains being impossible to beat until the last second when the heroes win by just luck. I'd prefer something more even, as a chess match
Yeah I totally agree. I remember when I first watched Age of Ultron when it came out, I was so disappointed by how weak Ultron was. I remember in the comics and animation how formidable he was. Ultron didn't need other weak bots, just make him strong enough to fight the whole avenger team by himself and give them trouble. But I see how they used Age of Ultron to build the MCU moving forward, which they did a great job.