Here's How Much My Tesla Model 3 Actually Pollutes
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2023
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My Tesla Model 3 is powered mostly by coal, the dirtiest fossil fuel. Here's how much pollution it's caused in the last 5 years.
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The great thing about electric vehicles is that they have so many benefits that you don’t even need to be concerned with saving the planet to want one. Electric vehicles help the environment immensely because they produce much less pollution than gasoline vehicles. My Tesla Model 3 has 133,000 miles it’s mostly been powered by the dirtiest of all fossil fuels: coal. To find out the negative impact my Tesla has had on the environment we need to calculate how much CO2 it has released into the atmosphere then compare that to a gasoline vehicle’s emissions. Carbon intensity is a measure of how clean electricity is and refers to how many grams of CO2 are released to produce one kilowatt hour of electricity. Electricity that's generated using fossil fuels such as coal is obviously more carbon intensive compared to electricity that is generated by cleaner methods such as renewables like solar, hydro, and wind. Hydropower is about the only significant renewable energy source here in Kentucky, and the state ranked last in the country in wind and solar power generation last year so Kentucky has a whopping 1.73 lbs of CO2 emitted per kilowatt hour of electricity produced. Based on my Tesla Model 3’s lifetime efficiency it uses an average of 0.252 Kilowatt hours of electricity per mile driven which means I can travel about 4 miles using one kilowatt hour of electricity. If we take my state’s carbon intensity of 1.73 lbs and divide that by the 4 miles traveled per kilowatt hour then that results in 0.43 lbs of CO2 emitted per mile driven in my Tesla Model 3 here in Kentucky. If we divide that by my car’s 0.43 lbs that means my 2018 Tesla Model 3 is equivalent to a gas car that gets 46 miles per gallon. Keep in mind that 46 miles per gallon number is only referring to the pollution aspect and isn’t related to the the fuel savings. If my Tesla Model 3 pollutes the same amount as a car that gets 46 miles per gallon, does that mean it’s bad for the environment? The most fuel efficient non-hybrid gas car with the highest miles per gallon happens to be a Mitsubishi Mirage that gets 39 miles per gallon with its cute three-cylinder engine. My coal powered Tesla in Kentucky is already better for the environment than any pure internal combustion engine vehicle that runs solely off gas. If I lived in nearly any other state such as Washington for example, my Tesla would be nearly 10 times better for the environment because of the low carbon intensity of that state. The best part about owning a pure electric vehicle even in a carbon intensive state like Kentucky is that the CO2 emitted per mile should only improve over time as the power grid gets cleaner and fossil fuels are replaced with renewable energy. A big source of electric vehicle emissions is the creation of their large lithium-ion batteries which can produce more emissions than building a comparable gas car. But the electric vehicle advantage is still huge with a medium-sized EV producing 60-68% fewer greenhouse gas emissions over its lifetime on average than a gas-powered car.
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Two points:
1. One has to start somewhere - converting to an electric car sets you up to go fully renewable. So it is a step in the right direction despite the coal use.
2. You can go renewable!!!! Look up Renewable Energy Certificates! Go to Arcadia to see if you can use their services, but there may be others available to you!!
Please look into this, switch to renewables using RECs and do a video on it! If you can get others to use RECs it will force the industry to switch!!!
Excellent analysis Andy. Thank you.
Having solar panels on your home is a complete gamechanger. Free home electricity, free gas for your EV. Oh, and zero emissions 👊😀
It is not zero emissions to make the solar products on a rooftop and battery, and it's not "free".
@@sputnik94115 He he. Spoken like a person who hasn’t experienced the joys of solar panel ownership. Give it a try some day - you’ll save thousands of dollars and tonnes of CO2 emissions (if that’s important to you) 👊
@@sputnik94115 What surprised the heck out of me was not only was my utility bill reduced, but I actually made $230 last year. The utility sent me a check for $249 and my total bills came to $19. That included a small amount of natural gas to run my clothes dryer.
Lol!!! So the solar panels or whatever it is suddenly appear from nowhere right! Even the internet you're using doesn't matter what, even Starlink is made possible with oil and ICE!
@@Berretotubewtf are you talking about!? So those solar panels didn't caused any harm to environment to produce/transport up to your house!? What about the copper wires and plastic protecting them!? It's all oil.
Also to add to this. It also takes a lot of energy just to refine and transport gasoline to the point where it's probably already has polluted more without you burning it in your engine and also another addition is that The base Tesla Model 3 uses LFP batteries which are also super clean to produce since their production method is different from lithium ion and the use more common materials making it from start to finish and electric car such as the standard model 3 when you buy it, it is a lot less polluting and the gas car has already polluted more without you driving it.
i think this point really gets underestimated a lot - I would love to see a calculation regarding the refinement and transport of gasoline
Came here to say this. Compare apples to apples.
This video compares tailpipe emissions of ICE vehicles to power plant emissions for EVS, and that misses the point. When we instead look at the emissions from refineries to produce gasoline then we make this comparison valid. And of course, that makes the EV advantage much greater.
From the oil well to the refinery appears to be ignored by so many people but why?
@@gwmattos because it's a simple truth the not so smart folks who don't like change and feel so Called forced into evs can't accept.
Well to wheels ice is on average 20% efficient period! Heavy duty use vehicle's even less so.👍🏻
@@gwmattos The industrial complexes are fueled by oil and chaos and we even fight many wars over oil but what happens when a massive threat starts to come to your business empire?
Team electric for sure. Don't forget to include the carbon footprint it takes to produce that gallon of gas. I think it at least doubles the 19.8 lbs/gallon CO2. Refineries are really heavy fossil fuel consumers for heat and processes. More win for electric. One other environmental thing people overlook is brake dust. Where does all that brake dust on ICE cars go? Into the lakes and rivers. Millions of brake pads every year. Because of regen I'm putting next to nothing into lakes and rivers.
Hey Louisville Ky has two fossil fuel plants a natural gas plant and a Coal power plant using Bituminous coal which lacks the qualities required for use as metallurgical coal is graded as thermal coal. And fitted with the latest control SO2 emissions from current levels (around 90 percent) to a 98 percent removal rate. In addition, mercury and particulate emissions will be further reduced in half.
Don't forget about the pollution generated by the never ending drilling, refining and transportation of gasoline to these gas stations (even compared the mining and refining of battery materials that can be recycled in perpetuity). When taking these factors into account, the comparison is not even close. Electric vehicles are so much cleaner than any gasoline powered vehicle.
Who cares?
Andy: It takes a lot of electricity to produce that 1 gallon of gas.
A recent study from Stanford University indicates that there is quite a bit of variation in these “upstream” emissions because of different field conditions and production methods. Take a look at their numbers (translating from grams and megajoules to pounds and Btus), and you'll see that the CO2 eq emissions from well to gas pump, before you burn a drop in your tank, can range from about 3.35 pounds per gallon to 6.7 pounds per gallon. (CO2 eq includes not only CO2 but also other global warming gases such as methane.)
I've owned a Model 3 since 2018. I also have had solar on my home since 2009. On an annual basis, I charge my car off of the panels about 30% - 40% of my needs. The rest will come from the grid which in Ontario, Canada, is very green.
It takes a lot of oil and grease to maintain each wind turbine and each requires maintenance on a regular basis
@@stanB950 Eastern Canada is hydro central.
Our solar gives us all the electricity we need for both our home and Model Y.
Aptera: hold my beer...
I am not a liberal and I own a 2023 Tesla model Y. I bought it because it is fast! I absolutely love it more than any car I have ever driven and at 73 years old I have driven many! My story is the same as yours Andy and you were a big part of me buying my Tesla due to great posts like this one. We are not alone.
Props to you being an early adopter of a new technology. I also just bought a 2020 model Y. Very fun car!!
It's a bit sad that Andy didn't mention politics, and here you come bringing it into the discussion, as though liberals are the only people who do/should care about pollution.
People on every part of the political spectrum have lungs that need clean oxygen, so frankly someone's politics should have zero to do with eliminating fossil fuels. Gas vehicles are bad for ALL humans.
It's great that you have an EV, and your reasons for buying it are your own, but every time you position clean energy as a liberal vs. conservative issue, you make the discourse worse because it makes people think they need to "pick sides" as though pollution should have champions.
Every home and business should install a rain water collection and storage system along with solar panels.
Even in areas where rain is infrequent it is crazy to waste the little rain that does fall and waste it.
We need to stop planting green lawns and switch to local native plantings around homes.
It is crazy to plant lawns and build golf courses in dry desert areas. We waste too much water and electricity.
Agreed. Water is going to be an increasingly rare commodity in many areas.
😊 I live in Santa Cruz, California and 5 1/2 years ago I purchased a Tesla model 3 and installed solar on the roof. Yesterday, the public utility, PG&, reported that I use less energy than what I'm producing with my solar roof. My score was excellent compared to my neighbors with the same size home. 😊 The data tells the real story.😊something l left out is the cost to drill the well. Back in the 1980's I was involved in drilling 104 oil wells and 5 were dry wells and 99 hit pay dirt. Due to the low price of natural gas at the wellhead we could not afford to transport it for sale so we let it burn. Hundreds if not thousands of abandoned wells are burning around the world in 2023. Americans are ignorant as to the cost of a real gallon before subsidies, taxes, transportation, distilling etc. Wind, solar, hydro, is and must be the future if we want a cleaner future for life to exist on this planet.
You made a common mistake - the 19.8 lbs of CO2 is only at the tailpipe - there is another 45-50% of CO2 generated per Gallon of fuel in the extraction, transport, refining and re-transport of Gasoline - there is only another 5-10% on top of that 1.73lbs for the extraction and transport and transmission of coal fired power. Your 46mpg is closer to 59-63 mpg full cycle using this method.
But even that calculation is incorrect , you forgot to take off the power lost through charging and idle activities like sentry, cabin overheat etc - your kwh/mi usage on the trip meter is only while in motion - an ICE vehicle doesn't consume any fuel when off. So using a level 2 home charger you get about 95% charging efficiency and depending on idle activities, length between charges etc, you use about 3-10% more than your driven kwh on average , so the net-net is 43-59mpg - depending on how you use the EV.
Don't forget this is still at the extremes, almost worst case for power generation (100% coal fired power produces 2.1lbs per kwh CO2) and the average US vehicles gets 25mpg real world.
Let’s see how long the battery lasts versus an engine. There are some Toyota engines that will last for 30 years… curious to see how maintenance and recycling will be for batteries.
Nice work, Andy.
I'll be quoting this video in the future when I argue with EV haters.
FYI everyone, 71% of electricity in KY comes from coal (2021).
In my state, AZ, it's 12% (2022) 🙂
And these numbers do not include the CO2 emissions from the refining process to convert crude oil to gasoline or the transportation of gasoline from refinery to gas station.
Thanks for this rundown and also for everyone's great points!
Good analysis, great video.
People are eager to talk about how electricity is produced. If you do that, you should also think how the gasoline magically appears to the gas pump? Is it clean a process? Finding, pumping, refining, delivering. . .
Yeah another super lame comment! Who built the power stations!? The grid!? The plastic protecting the power cables!? The copper and aluminum core of those cables!? The renewables!? The roads!? The bridges!? Even the Tesla supercharger have tons of plastic and copper..... tell me which EV has ever contributed to that!? NONSENSE!!!!
Even Internet and just like musk Starlink it's all powered and made possible by ICE and oil! What have his useless EVs done to help!? Let's bot even talk about aviation, maritime, railway..... which offshore windfarms were built using EVs!?
Even those offshore windfarms are using the stabilisation system/technology from the oil industry...... to connect them to the mainland, laying the cables under the sea bed and more! Which EV has ever helped!?
So the electricity also basically appears in everyone's home right! Wow!!!! Well done I'm clapping!
Literally the city in which you're living and all it's infrastructure was built and maintained till today with ICE and oil including the food you eat and even your devices like iphone, tv.. don't be this lame! Oil is used to make millions of byproducts which your tesla is even made 40% from it.
Great video. Children around the world will benefit from you for spreading the word. Keep it up.
Great video. One thing to consider is when you charge you car. For example, here in Florida, late at night, much of the power is supplied by non polluting nuclear, since you cannot easily turn off nuclear power plants. So by merely switching when you charge, you can emit less CO2. If you have solar, a good time to charge is before noon, once the sun is out. Your house uses little AC then, so the power can go right into the car battery. We all do not always have options of when to charge, but when we consider them and can be flexible, you can make a big difference and even help stablize the grid.
+1 to this. I have solar, but was still charging at night, until an engineer friend of mine pointed out that the electricity I send to the grid to get credit for undergoes transmission line power loss. So, the cleanest and most efficient thing to do is the smallest loop possible: charge during sunny days when the energy goes from my panels into my vehicles.
You lost me at bidet!
On top of the emissions I just stated in previous comment, there is also significant energy and therefore emissions associated with crude boil extraction. Crude oil no longer flows to surface on its own, and requires a lot of energy to lift it to surface.
Excellent video, well said
We too became more gas conscious after buying a tesla. Gas extraction and refining uses huge amounts of energy + methane leaks. Tanker trucks burn gas bringing gasoline to gas stations. As well we have no worries of CO poisoning from our tesla in its attached garGe.
For those who argue against BEVs, one only need consider the fact that IC vehicles are about 15% efficient, while a BEV is more than 90% efficient. What's lacking from these discussions is consideration of the energy required to extract oil, transport said oil (many times it's thousands of miles), refine it ("cracking" oil to produce gasoline requires a whole lot of energy", and then distributing it. I would hazard to guess that the energy required to simply obtain oil, refine it, and distribute it, is probably more than the energy lost to making electricity by burning coal. So, what you are left with, in the worst case, is the simple fact that electric motors convert energy to movement about 5x more efficiently than do IC engines. If you then add to that the opportunity to create electricity from solar panels, wind, or hydro, the case for EVs becomes all the more compelling.
Please you got stock under the rocks or that!? Get out! ICE engines are significantly way more than 35% efficient! And are still doing everything so that your dumb EV can rely on what It made!
Have any EV ever make any roads! Any bridge!? Any grid!? Any city construction!? Agriculture or what!? Even power stations and renewable energies is all made by oil and ice!
Wow! You sure bow down and worship dinosaur juice.
@@danielcarroll3358there is no wow here or any workshop! It's the reality! Literally almost everything in this world is made of oil or parts of it or was made possible with it! From véhicule to construction equipments, fertilizers, plastics, fuel for rockets, ships.... even medical equipments and tons more. Your tesla alone is about 40% made from oil. Drives with tires on roads all made by oil.
@@alanmay7929 A few years ago the head of the International Energy Agency was in my office (for unrelated reasons) and was talking to a Saudi official. He said, "You know petroleum is really useful stuff. You can make plastics, drugs and all kinds of other things out of it. And do you know what we do with most of it? We burn it up."
What a great video. I found the carbon intensity graph you used and was able to run the numbers for my State. Thanks.
Dual charging system like Solar panel on the Roof which can made to charge battery in an advanced manner will provide a better option in reduction in.Co2 Emissions
I'm no genius but 0:11 thats nuclear....
Team hybrid is flogging a dead horse.
Particularly for the daily drive.
It is true that it may take 10 to 20 years to replace all ICE vehicles, but petroleum may be short and trade in value low.
It’s not free sunshine. I spent $20,000 for my system. BUT, I do produce 25% more juice than I use. My return on the investment is about 7 years now that I charge my Tesla.
We have solar and home battery storage and of course a Tesla. It's amazing! 30kWh home battery storage and hourly prices for electrify means we sometimes can buy energy cheap and sell when price is higher. Pure profit.
agree 100% i bought my tesla because of fuel saving...being green is a bonus...not the reason!
Big question is why no solar panels already? Just for your home needs, it’s a no-brainer, but when you then run your car for close to nothing, that’s a bonus.
Solar is great, I got my system last year, but it's also quite expensive depending on the number of panels you get, even more so if you add batteries.
So it's a bit rude IMO to ask someone "Hey, why haven't you spent tens of thousands of dollars on this thing yet?". Not everyone can snap their fingers and buy expensive things.
@@jasondunn9439 I don’t know where you live, but “tens of thousands of dollars” is now over the top in most places, at least for a startup system, and especially in places with concessional loan schemes running. There are up front costs, but payback is usually under 5 years, in my experience. We are also talking to people who have just bought an “expensive thing”, in an EV. Personally, I funded the whole lot at the same time.
Recycled aluminium needs 20 times less electricity than the original smelting.
Recycled lithium batteries will need very little electricity to recycle, compared to original mining.
Recyclers are short on old batteries as they are lasting longer than anticipated.
Old lithium batteries can have a second life as a home battery.
So a free battery in the EV and then a free home battery one day.
Battery technology is getting better faster today.
Horse meat was cheap when the Ford model T production line started. 😊😊😊😊
Team electric for sure, even living in Louisville. We have replaced both our ICEs w/ EVs
I just came here to say that the primary reason I bought my Model 3 in 2019 was to reduce our driving pollution. My wife was driving 100+ minutes every day in our SUV, so our pollution was very high (as was our fuel bill). I also happen to live in Washington, where the power largely comes from hydro and nuclear, so I knew the electricity was about as clean as it gets from the grid. Since then, we added solar and a Model Y to the mix, so I'm generating enough clean energy to power both my vehicles.
There are likely many more people than you realize that buy EVs to reduce pollution vs. just wanting to buy a fun car with cool tech. 🙃
Looking great in your muscle shirt there, Andy ! 💪 🏋️♂️
Wait till you feel the g-force when he puts the pedal to the metal that's the real muscle
If you are looking at the power production for electric power then you should also start your comparison at the production of gas. Refining, transport to gas station... That's all not "free", either.
Drill rigs, pump jacks, oil pipelines infastructure maintenance and mining demands etc. Research says we use about 10% of all global energy consumption. Just searching for and developing new sources of fossil fuels.
45% of all est current global shipping emissions come from just moving around oil coal and gas shipments.
Every gashole just leaves all of this out of any ev vs ice pollution and energy discussions so convientantly for them and their followers. 😏
@@4literv6 To get the full picture, yes - but he started the electricity comparison at the powerplant, not at the "digging coal from the ground" step, so I thought that I'd be fair to start at the refining step, too. That's bad enough. Give "Gas" a fair chance. It will loose direct comparison anyway :D
Yeah, I wish he'd done more research or talked to some other UA-camrs that have some expertise in this area, his video doesn't quite capture the whole picture...🤔
My F150's window sticker states that it emits 432 grams of CO2 per mile, which converts to .952 lbs per mile. So .95 lbs CO2 for a full size gasoline powered truck vs. .43 lbs for the Model 3.
I appreciate that you look at all aspects of the driving, ownership, cost of ownership, and ecological impact of Teslas. A few years ago Mazda claimed that the lifetime carbon footprint from manufacturing through recycling of one of their vehicles was less than an electric car. I wonder what the all in, life cycle carbon footprints of various vehicles are. It is hard to find dispassionate, accurate, objective assessments in the ICE vs. EV discussion.
I would be interested to know when you have your solar roof panels installed. Like how many panels would be required to power a 2200 sqft house plus 2 electric vehicles.
It is also work, adding upstream emissions, what it took to get the energy to the power plant. With coal there is mining missions. It goes on with those big trucks. But the gasoline side is even worse because there is tremendous amount of energy That goes into transporting and refining crude oil, since transporting the gasoline to market. This effect is significant.
All you need is solar power and ur good
The first picture you used is actually a nuclear plant, as you can tell by the pressurized water reactor containment buildings. They are some of the cleanest, and unfortunately, Kentucky doesn't have any. Coal is detrimental, though.
TEAM ELECTRIC!!!
Any benefits having the emissions released at the powerplant vs where we breath? I think, YES!
Curious why you went with a Wallbox charger over the Tesla OEM one?
Mr Electric provided the wallbox for free for our UA-cam partnership. I wish the universal Tesla charger had been released at that time but it came a few weeks after unfortunately
Overlooked advantage of ev is significant. Kentucky has 1.63 million registered autos. Each and every one has a complicated emissions system. Computers, valves, piping, sensors galore. Crazy expensive catalytic converters that can easily become fouled. Here in Ohio every auto must have emissions inspection on regular basis. Failure is common and repairs expensive. Assuming Kentucky has similar laws. Kentucky has 25 fossil fuels power plants. Each optimized for efficiency. Would you rather upgrade 25 plants which occur naturally and result in lower emissions or pay for testing and repair of 1.63 million cars every single year?
Team electric!
0:09 That's a nuclear power plant, not a coal power plant lol
Tech, superior driving experience, lower fueling and regular maintenance costs, I don't have to handle oil/gas, I can warm my cabin before I get there even in my garage. And yeah, It lowers the human footprint too. I don't believe the planet needs saving, but lowering the human footprint is a good thing.
Not breathing gas fumes while filling the car.
don't you guys have Fried Chicken from Kentucky too?
Yes, yes we do. Most states have fried chicken.
In my state I get 150.
Co2 does not affect climate. Therefore reducing co2 for your electric car does no good for the environment. Coal pollution such as sulfur dioxide particulate and highly reduced carbon particles are now relatively well controlled. They are the most worrisome true pollutants from coal along with heavy metals from some coal types. Co2 is the least of your worries.
Your first sentence is just flat wrong. You must get your news from one of those one track Internet sources.
@@danielcarroll3358 if you are smart enough to dig into the science of co2 radiative greenhouse effect you won’t need any other sources.
How can you live in Kentucky and not have a country accent? lol
Lots of Kentuckians do not have a country accent. It depends largely on which part of the state you live in.
@@donaldstinnett5630 Then they weren't born in Kentucky.
why not install solar?
Those rednecks would lynch him.
Andy's been in the gym 💪
You haven’t tried to go solar?
Team electric.
Burn coal is CO2 and plants and crops live off almost nothing but CO2, water and sunlight.
Thanks to your coal run Tesla, I got to eat today, thank you.
*Correct.* People have been brainwashed and are demonizing CO2. Absolute insanity, just shows they're spewing BS they see on mainstream media without doing any independent research on their own. CO2 is an absolute necessity, the same way we need more cows/livestock to keep our pastures healthy to grow crops. People will wake up, eventually, I hope.
Exactly
I love your videos, you are a very good UA-camr, can I get a comment heart?
I was going to add before you said you are planning to get solar, what are you waiting for? In your state, a 10 kW solar system with full sun exposure would cover all utility electricity including a heat pump for heating your home and still fuel your Tesla for 10-15 thousand miles. I know because I have those same systems in more cloudy/less sun western N.Y.S. My biggest mistake was only getting a 8.1 kw system five years ago before i bought my Model Y. It is very satisfying to make your own electricity... Good luck.
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I’m surprised you have not gotten solar yet
I like that you also mentioned production of the car as a factor for CO2 emissions.
A car produces anything from 4 to 25 metric tons of CO2 during manufacturing, depending on the size of the car. (Of course the big SUV is the 25 and the small compact car the 4.)
During your 100k miles, your CO2 equivalent of the electricity your car used, was about 20 metric tonnes.
For a Tesla battery alone, 13 t are expected. (It was said, that the production of these battery packs is powered by renewable energy, but who knows where those 13 t are coming from.)
I don't know what the rest of the car requires, but it's clear you cannot drive a battery alone. At least some wheels (with tyres!) and a seat is needed...
The overall reduction of CO2 emissions of a Tesla might be 40 - 50% if powered entirely on renewables. That is not that much. And for a "Net Zero" unfortunately still not enough. :(
Time for you to buy a power wall and solar. See if Tesla would install a free power wall and solar roof in stead of waiting on your future free roadster.
Andy has TWO Roadsters coming his way. Maybe he could trade for one of them and keep the other just to impress the neighbors.
A diesel smart car gets mid 70 mpg
Well, no diesel car that I've ever heard of. I owned a VW Jetta TDi, and while it got ~45 mpg, the amount of energy it used from oil drilling to refining to transportation of both the oil and diesel fuel was quite substantial. By comparison my Tesla 3 gets about 130 MPGe, and I generate the electricity it uses from my rooftop. Really no comparison.
The more I learn about EVs, the less I like them after starting out years ago eagerly awaiting plug-in hybrids before the EV insanity of the last few years. I could care less about all the emissions comparisons to ICE vehicles or to emissions at the power plant. EVs have a lot of advantages on their own and if someone wants one, that's great. What I hate most is the govt overreach trying to force EVs onto the entire population using tax dollars based on junk science and no supporting infrastructure. Then there is the basic fact that EVs simply aren't practical vehicles for the average driver. They are fine for a well to do home owner with a garage that drives a daily fixed route that can afford an expensive vehicle. Otherwise, they aren't practical for the vast majority of home renters that need less expensive vehicles or longer use away from home because EVs aren't self sustaining. If someone wants great gas mileage and more practicality, get an established technology hybrid that is more useful and often less expensive.
In 2022 85% of new us car buyers were homeowners with six figure household incomes and financed the majority of the principle amount.
So new cars as a point of FACT are mostly bought by those with above average incomes.
With a driveway or garage to park in and then charge them up with reliable often very cheap (or even free like my bolt use case) electricity.
"The government" is not forcing anyone to buy an electric vehicle. There are Federal incentives to buy one, and some states add generously to that (mine doesn't), but there is no force involved. Nor am I wealthy but by investing wisely for 40 years and living frugally, I was able to buy a 2018 Model 3, and last week updated to a 2023 model. I saw nobody with guns drawn at the table when I signed the papers. For this average driver, EVs are very practical indeed. With those incentives, the purchase price is not just for the wealthy to afford. Buy used, too; less costly and you still reap the benefits of low-cost transportation even without the incentives.
@@donaldstinnett5630 - So govts banning the sale of anything but EVs in a few short years is preserving consumer choice then? Using taxpayer money to subsidize EV sales and prop up automakers who lose substantial money on every EV they make (but don't sell) is helping consumer choice? Govt officials everywhere falsely claiming that we are all going to die in a few years from climate change if everyone doesn't stop buying normal cars and start eating bugs is also just fine and dandy and not unfairly influencing consumer choice? I could go on and on. We all know it's wrong and if EVs can stand on their own in the free market, all power to them. Just don't pretend it's not a rigged game.
@@RustyTheGeek the sale, but not the continued operation of. And with cars averaging well over 12 years now until scrapped from new?
That means ice will very likely exist until the 2040s in some capacity. 🤔
Likely guzzling up e or synthetic fuels, at $8-$16 a gallon, with insane carbon taxes, banned from city centers under zev mandates. Expensive insurance due to fire risk etc. $200 oil changes, $200hr labor charges etc. But still around.
The gov subsidies everything btw, food, fuel, energy, education, infastructure the list is near endless to where our taxpayer funds go.
They've also banned restricted or outlawed many many things over the decades other's have got outraged about like you seem to be?
Cigarettes for one, alcohol consumption, availability and age restrictions for voting are another. Age for gun ownership, serving in the military.
I agree about climate change though. I'm 41 and it's been all doom n gloom since before I was born. Human caused pollution though is a thing whether any of us like it or not? Cutting down on burning things helps anything that breathes air do better.
The pandemic was complete proof of that. In a matter of days and weeks shutting down all the factories and machine's?
People took to social media sharing many pictures of things they'd not seen because of ever present particulate emissions.
They even shared many satellite photos of pollution hot spots globalky before after and during the shut downs. 👍🏻😎
@@4literv6 - I'm not outraged, I just think a car (or any product) should be able to stand on its own and the market will dictate how well it succeeds. Just because the govt is already massively over-bloated, massively corrupt and 90% of what it already does is wrong doesn't make doing more of it OK. I hate cigarettes and I don't smoke but I don't think the govt should be telling people they can't smoke or tax cigarettes into oblivion to influence consumers. The only things govt should be doing is the heavy lifting when it comes to investigating and protecting consumers from hidden safety issues like asbestos, etc. And even then, it should be fair, honest and transparent about the data.
As for your ICE predictions, I'll counter with my own... EVs will eventually fail to pan out due to all the problems and impracticalities. The truth about the heavy environmental impacts of battery resource mining, the lack of reliable or compatible infrastructure, the impossible logistics of even 15% of the public needing to charge them, either in public or at home, the overwhelming cost of retooling by automakers when the true demand isn't growing, etc. All based on complete quackery climate science that hasn't come true for 50 years and it's still trying to scare us all to death while demanding ever growing tons of money and giving it to elites. Green Technology? SMDH Wind Farms = Joke. Solar Farms = Joke. Carbon Capture? Total SCAM. If anyone promoting all this crap was serious about cutting CO2, they would embrace Nuclear Power, which works, is proven and the technology is better than ever. But no, that's not happening either. Instead of focusing on real answers that will actually help solve the problem, society wants to buy toy cars that need to be charged like a golf cart with power that is generated far away by fossil fuels and then mostly lost to heat and transmission losses before it gets into a battery that will lose even more power before it gets to the wheels. That's assuming the battery doesn't suddenly catch fire in a blaze that can't be extinguished with less than 3000-6000 gallons of water over several hours.
Again, I like EVs on the surface, they are actually pretty neat and fun to own. But other than that, they are just another car choice, they AREN'T the answer to all of Earth's problems.
A gallon of gasoline weighs about six pounds. How can that generate 19.8 pounds of CO2?
Carbon plus oxygen from the air
Gasoline is essentially carbon and hydrogen. Octane (to pick a typical component) has a formula of C8H18. So when you burn a molecule you get 8 molecules of C02 and 9 of H20.
C atomic weight = 12.011, H atomic weight = 1.008. So a molecule of octane weighs (8 * 12.011) + (18 * 1.008) = 114.232 This is our input.
O atomic weight = 15.999 and when Octane is burned in oxygen one gets water, which we ignore, and carbon dioxide. So to calculate our output of 8 molecules of CO2:
(8 * 12.011) + (16 * 15.999) = 352.072 So 114.232 in yields 352.072 out, a multiplier of 3.082 times. 6 * 3.082 = 18.492. So the input was a bit above 6 pounds of gasoline.
I was using octane as a proxy for the mix of hydrocarbons in gasoline and that could cause a bit of variation too.
@@danielcarroll3358 I wish I had paid more attention during High School chemistry..... A good question by saieva and a excellent reply by you, Thanks.
The very funny thing is that you use the grid, renewable energies and even chargins stations and roads all those infrastructures were/are all built and maintained by ICE and oil! So whats really the contribution of EVs in all of that!?
EVs are 4x more energy efficient than a gas car.
@@SpottedSharks nope they are not dummy! Also what exactly is gas car!? Th only thing I know is petrol, diesel, LPG/CNG, biodiesel.... and with that ICE have been able to build roads, entire cities, hydroelectric dams, windfarm offshore literally everything in the middle of nowhere. What is your useless EV doing!?
@@SpottedSharks you just blablabla efficiency! what does that help actually!? While a 650hp diesel semi can move almost 4x what a tesla 1000hp semi does! And the diesel can do that all day long while crossing unpaved roads to remote places.
@@alanmay7929 And yet you probably just use your ego-booster to get groceries. Go to the mall.
@@SpottedSharks im not here to argue with you kid! I'm talking about the reality! It's great to talk crap about oil and ICE while they are doing everything literally! Keep on with you negative mentality!
Even to make things like steel, aluminum, cement.... its not EVs that helps ther unfortunately!
Conversion to electrical means of production is happening, although aluminum production has always been electric. Electric arc furnaces and hydrogen production can be powered by renewables and reduces CO2 production. At present steel production produces about 10% of the world's CO2 emissions. Transportation emits about 25% of worldwide CO2.
@@danielcarroll3358 lol!!! What ages arguments you have! Electricity has almost always been used in manufacturing after the steam age, also those renewable can't exactly power a giant fournaise with reliable energy 24/7 reducing CO2 production is mostly in recycling of materials not mining and transformation.
@@danielcarroll3358 in my country alone aluminum production from bauxite uses about over 2/3 of the energy production which we regular people have way more shortages because the industry has to run.
the only EV that I found in the right direction is the Dacia Spring. low on equipment, thin tires to get more distance per charge. we don't need 3sec 0-60...or massage seats, or whatever. just build an eco EV with: AC and power steering. don't need auto things...
4 miles from 1 kwh
10,000 miles each year
Is 7kwh daily.
Daily top-ups, ezi pezi. 😊😊😊😊😊
Try topping up your ICE vehicle from home. Sunshine. 😮😊
28 miles a day, most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day. 😮😊
Go solar bro