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We all know them, the rough soundchecks!
Where everything is very important
except the sound of the monitors and the convenience to play.
Steve Gadd takes perfect control over this situation.
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When Gadd stands up, that's not just any "drummer" making his point(s). Thanks for the video.
I did sound for Steve for a drum masterclass. Time was short, sound check was 5 minutes max. Steve just got to work no complaints. Got a hug at the end because Steve noticed how hard the setup was. Great guy and musician. Had dinner that night with Steve and a drum tech. I was in heaven!
Musicians who have their shit together are always easy to soundcheck. It's the ones who think they have it together are the problem. If everyone is on the same page, you can get a lot done in 5 minutes.
For me, you're the luckiest guy on earth
@@napoleonaleckzander I know it, thanks.
That, sounds, AMAZING!
A great sound guy listens to the drummer, if the drummer can’t hear the band properly the band won’t sound good. I use to dislike sound guys who don’t understand that.Gadd isn’t messing around he wants to know he can hear everything. Drummer is the root of the band. Great video!
Bass, really.
@@joksal9108lol, yes, my lord.
You're so cool
I play guitar, but I know the problem of not being able to hear the whole band at a gig...all too well. Her should just use an in-ear system. Then he can mix his sound however he likes.
I could never hear the other guitar player except when I wasn't playing. Turned out to be a blessing. He was always turning up the suck knob.
that is just the case when you are steve Gadd. When you are a random drummer like me that is a cheap excuse to sound bad. We normally have to face not optimal scenarios where the sound is not that good & we should solve and sound good (maybe not great), and we can do that when we actually study the songs and learn our parts, with or without good monitor.
People need to see more of this kind of content, this is the reality of being a musician, not the polished/edited/corrected versions you normally see, great footage thank you Ruben!
🙏
"Everyone off stage that doesn't need to be on, please!" Bro chills & keeps filming 😊
And that request always seems to come from the least important person on stage!!
@@nunyabidnez7857confidently wrong
I'd say if they were filming they did need to be there (or at least i'm very thankful they thought they were)
@@twenty99 They sure are. The wrong ones always are!
Fiinna get serious when the drummer stands up
Finna?????
Fiinna??
Fixing to* lol
I hear you the finna! You are speaking my language!
And when the drummer says "Hey I made a song we can play" :D
Even happens on that level! Don't feel so bad about my band now!
Was just about to say the same thing. I always thought these were amateur hour issues. Turns out it happens to everyone!at all levels. In fact, this video makes me wonder about the times that go smoothly. Is there actually something wrong?
Always fascinating to see ‘behind’ the performance
He is amazing
Fascinating. I love behind the scenes stuff like this! One of the greatest thrills of my life was meeting Steve Gadd and being able to watch him play from backstage.
As a Drummer myself I perfectly understand and agree with Steve Gadd...The Drummer is the "Time keeper" of the band..The Drummer adds the "Grammer" to the language of the music being played...If the Drummer can't hear the band then he can't back the band up......
ITS IN G .. ON GADDS RECORDING..FAX!!! the guys have been playing it G... get with it bro..so many things in this video I have experienced .. good to see it happens at all levels..
He's on guitar too. Not like brass or something hard to transpose
Might look like diva behaviour from the outside but we need to have a good night for the rest of the band to have a good night. Nothing ruins a show for us more than a frustrating mix. Carrying a splitter/mixer setup adds more time to my setup & tear down, but it’s worth having a glorious mix at my fingertips all night long and never having to smoke signal the monitor guy for adjustments 🎛️
What do you use for splitter and mixer ??? I’ve been struggling lately with bad in ear sound and it’s tough to get into it when the sounds is bad….
Thanks Rob for commenting. Love your channel!
@@FredMinville-y7s Nowadays, in-ear monitors are fairly common. The sound guy should have a WiFi app that you can connect to from your phone and customize your own mix. Is that an option for you ?
@ it is but I’m not a fan of the limited controls..and super touchy faders with the phone app
He knows his stuff… many sound guys don’t. You gotta take the reins to save the shoe sometimes ! Cornell Dupree chiming in too! What a band !
nothing more frustrating than a ropey soundcheck.
B flat major and Gminor will work together❤
The man.
Gadd knows what he wants. I saw the concert live later that evening. Sounded great. Weckl was amazing too !
Stevie is a pros pro. Just the best.
When Steve talks people listen. This man plays so well in group formats. On Grover Washington’s Come Morning album as one of many examples he never overtook the band. He anchors the band. Rather it’s Grover, Steely Dan, or Paul Simon. Yet when he does take an occasion to give you fills he gives you Aja. One of favorite drummers. Up there with Vinnie and Stewart.
hey that's Cornell Dupree!
Rip
Such an incredible player... What touch / tone!
What a cliffhanger. Need to see the sequel to find out what the right key was, I guess.
Cuber is right;)
Gadds version is in G.. his band plays it in G... they recorded it in G...
Always good to hear the Masters at work 😊
Our hometown hero from Rochester, NY.
They were sounding great. 😊
This is an excellent example of how IEMs solves so many issues, makes the production smoother and everyone happier. The stage volume is obviously quite loud, yet Gadd is not getting a direct enough sound from the monitors because most of what he's hearing is from the PA. The balance here is always difficult, and when dealing with a lot of wedges, especially for a drummer surrounded by acoustically loud sources, you will end up with compromises. With IEMs, not only does it allow them to get the most direct sound possible right to the ear without fighting with anything else, it also seals the ear so that no other acoustic source interferes. FOH doesn't need to worry at all about whatever's going on in the monitors. Also, troubleshooting is much more difficult with wedges, since the monitor engineer is not able to actually hear what the talent hears. They can listen to headphones and check the balance, but how it actually sounds is determined by the monitor being used, the placement, direction, other sources, PA etc. So you actually have to stand where the talent stands to be able to hear what they hear. Also, if they're a musician that's been playing on super loud stages for 40+ years, they are probably on the brink of being deaf.
it's a jazz gig. The loudest thing on stage, with PA and wedges off, should be either the drumkit, the horns, or the piano if it's acoustic. Everything else has a volume knob. Without wedges, if you have a volume knob, and all you can here is you, you're too loud. After you sort that out, you get in the wedge ONLY what you can't hear naturally. And only at a volume that you actually need, without having to turn yourself back up again. Guys like Gadd etc played in wee jazz clubs forever, where the musicians just played together. IEM can take away that "in the room" vibe. They definitely have their place, but they're not the perfect solution to everything. Volume control is the key here. The problem with the phone app for IEM's, I've found, is that dudes spend as much time tweaking their mix throughout the gig, like they're trying to mix a CD, as the do playing the actual gig! If a musician can't balance their own sound against tne rest of the band, un-mic'd, then they shouldn't be let near a monitor mix.
Gadd seemed to be advocating for volume control here. Jazz levels, not rock levels.
I hate in ears, it makes you feel disconnected from everything. I'm on steve's side, the sound's gotta come from the band.
This isn’t godsmack they’re mixing. There’s a nuance to the dynamics to playing at this level. In ears take you away from the sound of the instrument in the acoustic space.
Very cool ! Thank you!
Every time I miss playing live I remember stuff like this & I'm kinda ok with having to retire early. lol
LOL.
You took the words right out of my mouth
Saw the Steve Gadd band at the M.I.M….. Very intimate.You could hear every instrument.Fantastic!
where and when was it recorded? Interisting video! Thanks.
That’s why it is always good to have a printed set list with the key next to each song.
If the drummer is comfortable with the levels from the monitors, that drummer is more likely to find the pocket of the tune . The band will be playing for x amount of time and will want to enjoy it rather than feel like it's work. The monitor mix enables a listener perspective in the music and so with a great mix the musicians can get in the zone and vibe like listeners. Part of enjoying playing music is that you are still a listener too
Wow and I always thought bad monitor levels were key to achieve the best performances. You really enlightened me!
@jackgoff4859 amazing. I'm a musician and you are a stand up comedian. Enjoy doing your 7 min set being sarcastic and ignoring the context behind people's comments. I'll go back to reading big band music charts and putting my musical enlightenments into practice. If I were you I'd pick up an instrument before pretending you know anything about mixing or monitors
Ahh yes-being on the road!!!!
It's all about the monitor levels people. True dat!
Organising the chaos!🎉
Watching the River.. by Gadd Gang is in G
Just do what Steve says.
It's in the key of GADD
Guitars tuned to dadgadd
Larry Goldings on the phone :)
Not hectic at all. Highest level of professionalism right there. Except maybe when Larry takes a phone call during rehearsal 😅 But this is how the big boys do it.
And suddenly everything sounds groovy and in balance.
The drummer gets whatever he wants even if he just wants piano and the keyboard player wants just hi-hat.Been there.
Awesome footage. When was this?
Those of us who are musicians know the value of a good leader. Musicians are wonderful people, but sometimes it's like herding cats trying to get shit going LOL
That was awesome. That's really how a sound check goes!
When one of the most musical drummers around gives you advice, you should listen.
it has to come from the bandstand!
Gaddy said, "I get paid by the show, not by the hour... let's get to it" lol
Always monitors first!!
Monitors can wreck everything, the sound in the house is what's happening. Play the house, that's when the best shows I was part of did. Let the sound breath, listen and let them listen. If it's all you there's no room for them.
Never seen Gadd pissed! The Siciliano came out , he was in the tech guys face.
There has to be a tamed gorilla inside, 70-80s the creative urgency and power was out of the box. A musical genius Steve Gadd.
Drummer drives the bus
Yeah, I could see how he could get a little bent. Hehehe. It almost seems like they wanted the band to start playing and do some front of house audio first. I've done lots of gigs with techs and a lot of gigs doing the PA myself. I've also done PA for other bands. My current band uses wedges. I like to get a comfortable stage volume and all of the monitors dialed in before I even bother doing FOH. I have a digital board, so everyone can have a separate monitor mix. My band opened for a headliner about a month ago in a medium sized club. The FOH was way too loud making the stage volume also too loud. Our lead vocalists only had SM58's instead of Beta's and they could barely hear themselves. The tech never really muted FOH and got the monitors dialed in first. It can be rough sometimes.
This is about as heated as these cool cats get in an argument. Not a lot of stress at this level.
are they debating G minor versus B flat major or G major versus B flat major?
I understand they need to hear themselves and that is only an empty room problem. The reason I asked for the bands to play without any PA and monitor sound until they need to ask something in their monitors. Many times it is not only the PA sound in an empty room, it is the musicians themselves that are too loud for a "rehearsal" sound. In other spectrum is the people that paid to hear them and they can´t because the musicians think they do not need PA sound. The first sentence of him goes in this direction but he said "maybe" with the full room. Well, it is not maybe. It is the sound engineer job to use the system to fill the room with sound and not only the VIP front row. I really think he is making things harder than it can be for not explaining right that the sound of the empty venue is affecting the stage sound, as it always do, and lower it or cut it until the mix on the stage is right. We as sound engineers know that when the show starts this problems are going away but we also need to test the FOH sound so people will enjoy the show not only the musicians. Btw, the front of house guy was mixing the kick drum too loud and it is the reason Steve thought it was too loud overall. If you want an unprocessed kick drum sound you cannot mix it so loud.
Steve’s been around the block a time or two. A prudent sound team would definitely heed his input. (Input... see what I did there? 🤓)
The most important person in the Venue is the Audience. Gadd knows this, he serves fresh menues and chill vibe wine to his audience.
3:59 bass player looks like Fred Armisen!
or Eddie Gomez, 😉
Sound reinforcement. You should be able to hear the instruments from the audience. The amplification only being used to balance the mix and support weaker instruments.
This is equally true for a heavy metal band as it is for jazz.
Many venues, especially in the US, rely on the excitement of a fear response from loud music telling your body that you're in a hazardous environment.
Bloody guitar players!!
HEY!!!!! Lol😂
why?
you mean cornell dupree?
A poor drummer will drag a good band down, and a good drummer will lift a poor band up.....Phil Collins
Great quote, so true!
I ruined Genesis when Peter Gabriel left …… Phil Collins
@RADSQUID123 He ruined Genesis in the coolest and most successful way then
That $1000 bet is some real gangster ass shit lmao. What a bunch of bad mfs
I have played with sound guys who don't understand that the front of the house sound isn't the same as what the musicians hear. They are NOT being diva's when they tell you what they need to hear. If the musicians can hear well, they have more fun and that energy gets pumped right back out to the audience. It's worth it to get it right for each musician!!!
I would have liked to have seen how Buddy Rich would have dealt with this situation.
There would probably have been drumstick missiles launched for sure!
Guitarist needed to give it up
you cant play a good gig without a good sound on stage
That's where it should always start. Add sound "reinforcement" as needed.
Explains why I never played a gig half as good as these guys… nvm the talent disparity
If the band is not comfortable with the sound on stage, they will be frustrated, regardless of how good the house mix is.
Hooray! Not being listened to is a MAJOR issue for young drummers. If the house sound is too loud it’s like playing in a soup and so bad for playing.
Interesting how the bari sax player objected to playing in Gb as opposed to G. I would think concert G would be a more effed up key for horn players than Gb.
That’s not true. G works better for Bb and Eb instruments. And Ronnie Cuber was a MONSTER player.
@@zangsax Sax players would rather play in A and E? I always thought those were guitar player keys! LOL
@@CribNotes exactly but we’re so used to playing with -
White keys on the piano and open strings 😃on guitar. That sharp keys become quite familiar.
Gb is a horrible horn key
@@sblack48 They'd rather play in a key with 3 or 4 sharps?
When Gadd speaks you listen.
Stressful sound check. Id just do whatever Gadd says.
Steve G, Steve A or Steve D?
Haha😂
Wasn't it Steve G flat??
That just seemed like an average soundcheck, when the musician knows what they need.
Nashville we would say that there is no difference between g-minor and b-flat😂
is someone able to tell me the names of guitar and bass player? i think i know them but forgot the names. the one is the bass player from bill evans eddie gomez? the guitarists name i forgot...but not his quality....one oft the best Telecaster R&B Players.
Cornell dupree and Gomez it is the Gadd Gang
@@RubenvanRoonDrumChannel Thank you!
Not taking control...., just doing the sound check. Just wanted to get his drum monitor going before they cranked the house too loud, which often happens... and he even said..when there is people in the room.. that is just how it all works. Man, people ... stop making stuff up for clicks.
Well I see it a little different, been in this situtation a lot… but thanks for the comment.
Steve Gadd "takes", not "take"
Whether he was saying Bb or Gb, neither are the relative minor of G…?
Right? and these are seasoned musicians! Weed definitely does brain damage.
Gm is relative minor of Bb
@bh_5937 - Yes but that wasn’t what he said, was it?
Gm is the relative minor of Bb and of course Em is the relative minor of Gmajor. How in the fuck did that get so convoluted with musicians of this caliber?
@jacobsrich2010 - Precisely my question!
It needs more cowbell.
Edit the title brother, you typed take instead of takes
Thanks I am Dutch;)
What key is it shouldn't 🚫 even be an issue, unless there's something else going on...Is someone confused somewhere ❓🤣‼️
I dont get this, there are probably 3 techs running around there. its 2024, you grab your ipad, you sit down next to the mans wedge, and give him something to work with.
Ronnie’s right and Cornell lost $1000 on that bet! Hahaha (was in G on the album)
If it's G minor blues, then it is the same scale as Bb major blues. They are just confusing themselves.
Egomaniacs !
No. Professionals.
@jas_bataille Right 👍 Professional Egomaniacs !
@@jas_bataille This clown doesn't know the difference. You beat me to schooling him. Thanks.
Seems like the sound guys were concerned with how it sounds in front of house and Gadd wanted it to sound loud enough on stage for all the musicians to hear and feel it! "There can't be more out there (foh) than whats coming from here (stage)"...so much for the "quiet stage" nonsense that is trendy now.
It is not nonsense, it is imperative. Fucked up stage volumes with sources out of balance create this problem. Getting that under control solves everything.
Some rooms gives so much back to stage from the PA that it is meaningless to start working on the wedges without the room already present.
The fault here is all on Gadd. He didn’t trust the sound engineer. There is only one solution to that, it is getting one you trust to do the job. If he/she is not present, you simply have to pretend to trust tge one present. Arguing or trying to mix from stage never works, everything just falls apart.
@@hepphepps8356 the front of house is delayed. its distracting . also how are you going to get the stage monitors right when no one can hear you because the pa is cranked.you get the monitors right then bring up the pa then tweet from there
Who cares what it was then how do you want it now?
was the whole Key thing a joke..as first thing came to mind what he said .. relative minor , it jived well guitarist being flat..
I can understand him complaining about his monitor mix... but when he starts yakking about the FOH i would've told him to sit the fudge down and worry about his own damn business.
This video is old. Repost.
Yep!🙏
He would have an app for it now 😂🍾❤️
G
I would have loved, to have had a life playing and mixing with other musicians. Instead of the miserable boring life i have had.
Gee, he sits low..
What does the video actually show?
completely normal musical everyday life. Watch orchestra rehearsals. And basically it has nothing to do with Steve Gadd. Precisely because as a spatial central figure with his drums he relies on balanced answers based on balanced skills. Basically it's the basics of how to create a monitor mix and a FOH mix.
It also depends on the space. Then you have to make it clear in good time what doesn't fit. You can't play if you don't hear yourself enough.
Regardless of the instrument. It has nothing to do with musical genius or other privileges to notice something like that. It's no different for any other musician. But the unexperienced are less aware of it.
What's important is that you trust your ears and then intervene immediately.
Musicians are often too lethargic about such things. because they often have no idea about sound. And sound engineers don't care about musical interaction.
And one thing is nothing unusual either. that you forget pitches. Especially at Cornell, who probably already had severe oxygen problems back then, if I classify the time of the audience correctly, small things like that should just be ignored.
Steve wasn't entirely sure either. otherwise he wouldn't have asked the others.
Pretty dumb to be arguing with the FOH about volume of the FOH when you won't have a clue when it's filled with people...
Am I hearing this right? They are debating whether to play in G or Gb????? What??? Who writes in Gb in the 21st or even the 20th centuries? I will stand corrected but...who the bleep writes in Gb??? If you need to transpose down for a singer, go to F. Or up, to A. And why wouldn't you play it in the original key, like G? Gb...6 flats...that is a tractor-trailer having a bad day....
Bflat;)
Christ - just buy some in-ears grandad!
InEars are no different than wedges providing monitoring, ... in that the monitoring mixes still need to be worked out.
Didnt exist in that time;)
Steve needs to lighten up. You’re a drummer, not a tyrant.
It‘s a perfectly normal and professional soundcheck. You iron out the links there so that you can concentrate on the music and performance on the gig. Gadd is very patient and drama-free here, just doing his job. Apart from being a legend and badass for 50+ years.
@ Rochester can be more proud of Joe Bonamassa and Rick “Beano” Beato.
@@Matthew_EitzmanThese were Gadd Gang gigs. He's functioning as the band leader.
@@Matthew_Eitzman I'm absolutely certain both those men would be ashamed of you saying this.