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Failure has never been tolerated by the empire. The fact we are all questioning whether or not she will be punished shows how good of a job Tony did to humanize the empire. She is about to get canned as Cyril did. At least that is my expectation.
Remember that Syril didn't go to Ferrix looking for Dedra -- he was looking for Andor. He had no idea she was going to be there, so it wasn't really a matter of stalking, in that case. And he *did* run right out into the line of fire as soon as he saw she was in danger, so he can be pretty heroic when push comes to shove. He's definitely a strange, complex character.
I'm hoping he joins the rebels as a spy. It's the kind of rouge, out of bounds action Dedra might get forced to do and Syril is the kind of guy to go along with it. Plus it would be interesting to see how well he hold up when the empires crimes are shown directly to him in a way he can't deny.
Syrill wasn't stalking Dedra when he went to Ferrix, he was stalking Andor. He was operating on the same tip that Dedra was, that Cassian would probably show up for Ma's funeral.
Well... to be fair, he probably wasn't surprised that his Pure Angel of Order was there seeking the wicked agent of chaos too. It's what his heroine _would_ be doing.
@@MalzraAirwynnI don't think the word "stalk" fits, especially in the sexual/romantic sense. He wanted to talk business with her, first and foremost, and getting in contact with her, an ISB Lieutenant, is not exactly easy (he himself said it). I mean, yeah, his choice of words and awkwardness makes it understandable why she'd feel uncomfortable, but then again, if you were in his shoes, how would you contact Dedra in a quick and reliable way (that doesn't include writing a letter to the ISB which she may not get around to reading in months, if ever)? Remember, "I just wouldn't seek her out" is not a viable answer here. Because I, for one, cannot think of anything better than attempting to physically meet her at a place she's likely to be at. I doubt Meero surfs the Star Wars equivalent of Facebook after work hours (if such a thing even exists in that universe), it's not like Karn can DM her or call her, so...let's not be too quick to point fingers.
The show certainly spent a lot of time early in the season setting up how cut throat the ISB is. Seems like Dedra will be fed to the wolves the same way Cyril was. Will be interesting to see what is in store for those two…
@Eesti mees No, I think its the other way round. She is going to be fired completely just like Cyril was. Then the two of them get to go on a quirky adventure together trying to prove they were right all along....and probably get clapped like a couple of clowns by some Ewoks or something at the end.
@Eesti mees Sure that is the other possibility. It depends on whether the writers want to tell a fun story, or maintain internal consistency. Normally, I expect the former with post-Disney Star Wars but with Andor I can't be too sure.
I suspect they built up her assistant (Heert) for a reason--he is obviously just as ambitious as she is. She was also warned by Major Partagaz to watch her back. It's also suspicious that Heert was (conveniently) absent from Ferrix for this disaster, thereby escaping any potential blame. My prediction is that Heert will backstab her and move to claim her old job, which will force her to rely on Syril to redeem herself.
Well yes but both Heert and Dedra seem to have some kinda of good relationship with work Its most likely that will happen but he wont stab back her I mean, idk at this point The show is so good that makes the plot unpredictable
He clearly looks up to and respects her though. Someone who purpousely stays late to work on something that would further your superiors career, despite their insistance that you're free to go, and backs them up in a previous career-critical situation isn't going to backstab said superior just like that. She probably chose him as her assistant precisely because just like her, he puts doing a good joob above his career.
@@braxtonburcham that’s a different guy who worked for her. Her assistant kept interjecting himself into her conversations with her boss a few episodes back.
Well, it IS her fault. Her troops advised her to use more men, but she wanted to take Andor so much that she reduced her troops and wasn't much of use during battle. It's not Syril's case where he couldn't predict Luthen, here Dedra could prevent all this but she didn't and failed.
Not hanging locals might have been a smart move. If they had taken him to a prison, rather then hanging him in the street maybe his son wouldnt be making bombs.
She had just arrived and did not know the city at all. The local pig who was super worried about his title was responsible for securing perimeter and controlling the situation on the ground. She was there to oversee it. That's like saying it's the fault of the superintendent visiting when a teacher can't control the class. It's always on the every day leader when their subordinates fail, not the temp.
As a former military officer who worked in law enforcement I can identify with Dedra. She wants to do her duty but struggles because she’s surrounded by tools and has questionable superiors. I’ve been there.
Yes.... this right here. I am a former Army NCO and totally can sympathize with Dedra Meero to some degree. I was with a number of ticket punching tools that were useless. I just can't tell if she is just trying to do the job well or is another goose stepping and cool aid drinking hack.
Honestly I hope that given her otherwise stellar peformance record for the ISB Yularen might step in to cover for her. Assuming of course she doesn’t try to cover up her mistake and acts with a degree of integrity. Yularen is the type to value competent officers that can admit to mistakes,seen best in his work with Thrawn during the Grand Admiral Savit incident.
but she doesn't look competent to anyone who hasn't the same information we viewers have. i mean her success isn't really stellar as she couldn't prove any of her theories, doesn't matter that she was right when nobody knows it. she didn't get andor, she is responsible for the riot and she still has no clue who axis is or proof that he even exists. and bix escaped, who is the only person who could identify luthen. so her stellar success basically is an unproven theory that lead to nothing, but chaos. don't see why anyone would risk his reputation based on that
@@NR-fd9wv Yularen is the head of ISB, and has the Emperor's confidence. Unless the Emperor himself told him to punish her, Yularen can do whatever he wants really, even save her/Make a new office for investigation and put her in charge of the "Axis" investigation only and not one of the sectors, for example.
I get the feeling the Yularen we see is like many at this point in time, bored of the day-to-day running of the empire and so not 100% convinced of the idea of rebel elements acting out with a degree of coordination. In season two, we may see that change and him becoming the Yularen we see in the Thrawn novel and in Rebels, who is more keenly awake to the rebel activity going on. There is a funny duality, the finale has the citizens being told to take up to the threat the empire poses, while the empire itself save for a few is asleep as well to the threat a coordinated rebellion poses if allowed to grow.
Dedra is definitely still creeped out by Syril in that scene, but I was on edge the entire time hoping it wouldn't go into falling-for-your-deranged-stalker territory. Thank goodness it didn't, and that might be entirely down to the actors' performances. That doesn't preclude Dedra taking a devil's bargain of an alliance with Syrill. I think she'll still end up in the clear, since she so loudly ordered that there be no shooting, and she can pass the blame back to Blevin for appointing whatsisname guy not in a ballgown as prefect.
Yeah the "Prefect" is certainly an idiot but I think even an experienced CO would have a serious problem trying to defuse that funeral... Suprised they didn't have tear gas onhand to disperse the crowd.
I’m not so certain Syril is attracted to Dedra romantically. He may simply look up to her as an example of security and safety under Imperial rule and simply wants to work with her because he admires her. I don’t deny that if they do have more interactions during season 2 they could develop a romantic relationship, but so far nothing is set in stone
Syril has deep-seated mommy issues and as a result he both loathes and craves powerful women. He’s infatuated with Dedra but is also using her to redeem himself-and now she may be in a position to do the same to him. I expect them to have an extremely toxic courtship that only lasts as long as they are useful to one another and ends with them hating each other.
If you wish to remain consistent with internal logic both in Andor and ISB, Dedra should face the consequences. Her ISB boss told her she should watch her back, so if there are no consequences, it would contradict what was established about ISB. Also, she failed as bad a Syril did on Ferrix earlier. Syril felt the consquences. I don't think she's gonna get fired, but her responsibilities will be reduced.
That would also force her into a situation similar to Syril; Having to work from the margins obsessively pursuing Andor as that is her only chance to redeem her position. She and Syril will become the socially awkward duo antagonists of the first arc of season 2.
@@briangrover873Even when I watched "Andor" for the first time, I felt like there was a subtle-but-not-too-subtle parallel between Syril Karn and Dedra Meero. On a surface level, they appear to be the typical teacher's pet conformists, but a closer look shows their rebellious and individualistic natures - Karn customizes his uniform and Meero talks out of line with her superiors. They both go out of their way and do things outside of their authorization, in their pursuit of justice for the greater good. Dedra's failure (on the same planet, pursuing the same man), and her facing the consequences for it, is yet another parallel between her and Syril.
I thought it was enlightening to see her go from the calm, cool, knows what she wants 'leader' to a person scared out of her wits. Great actress to convey that fear.
Extraordinary that we are invested in both the Rebellion and Empire characters. The series has set a very high bar in terms of script, production and acting
She’ll be lucky if she isn’t assembling Death Star parts by the beginning of the next season. You don’t typically fire and let loose someone with that much classified intel in their head and a possible chip on their shoulder, that’s called a major liability should enemy forces get their hands on her or she take the info to, say, Jabba the Hutt. She’ll either be sorting mail in the ISB basement, walking barefoot in a labor prison, or running for her dear life next time we see her.
Bruh, *Dedra going to Jabba , the Hutt has got to be THE SINGLE worst scenario possible.* You know _damn well_ what the fuck that obese-ass, demented gangster would do to her! 😭
I think she'll be moved to a side office, where she no power and needs everything approved(document access, operation setups, etc.), but where she can conduct her investigation of Axis.
Dude...RIGHT?! I did not walk into this season thinking Rings of Power was going to be so lame and Andor (what i thought was going to be another mediocre star wars show) being so awesome!
Bro you're very quickly becoming my favorite Star Wars UA-camr. Your style of intelligently discussing the characters and world of Andor is so refreshing and fun! Thanks for the great content, Allen!
One thing that’s continually rang in my head throughout this show is Luke’s line to the Emperor in RotJ: “Your overconfidence is your weakness” and I feel that applies to the Empire as a whole, coupled with Cassian’s line about the Empire earlier in the show
Dedra and Syril have something in common now - they have both got people under them killed in a catastrophic attempt to catch Andor on Ferrix! I wonder if she will be sacked and they will team up somehow, wanting to get revenge on the man they blame for their failure.
Oh, I can _SO_ see that being the case later on. They'll fail to just see the nonsense corruption and backstabbing of the Empire they serve, instead blaming all their disgrace on this one fugitive Rebel that always evades capture from them. And that's gonna be their downfall, oh yeah, it's happening. They'll be betrayed by the Empire *hard,* Director Krennic-style, with the tragedy being that they could've lived had they realized who their true enemy was a lot sooner.
I find it hilarious that we just came full circle back to Ferrix with Dedra making the same mistakes as Syril but on a grander scale. You can probably say that the empire at large will make the same mistake again with the galaxy as a whole and will just lose again. They really never learn.
"You want to start a conversation? Find Axis." She did not. Nor did she find Andor. Bix escaped. Corv was murdered in an alley. Dead officers, dead civilians. An escaped terrorist (Wilmon), and even Maarva's droid is unaccounted for. It's a complete catastrophe, and even worse, from ISB's perspective, she's somehow in tandem with the disgraced Deputy Inspector. "Watch your back." And, "You fall here, you fall alone." I predict Dedra will be in a cage on the Outer Rim, and Syril will join the Rebellion to find her. I think you gotta watch out for Heert, too. He's very competent, enough so that it appears to concern Dedra in one scene ("Get Dr. Gorst, send him out there immediately." "I already did. He’s own his way.") and he was pushing her in the beginning. ("I don't know what I'm doing. About any of it." "Yes, you do. You're on to something.")
Not only did she underestimated her military forces, her ignorance and blatant disregard for the culture and tradition of Ferrix are what gave her the illusion of control. I have no idea what’s being planned for Dedra. But please, please, please let her meet Eddy Karn. 😂
She gave permission for most everything Ferrix wanted for the funeral to lure Andor out. It was homeboy with military that lost his shit, flipped B over and incited the riot while she was trying flush out Andor. But yeah, she will take the fall.
I think it would be funny if Linus Mosk, Syril Karn, and Dedra Meero all moved into Darth Mom’s house while trying to catch Andor (unsuccessfully). Basically Friends but for a bunch of jobless losers
Lol why are we throwing Linus into the mix now?!😂😂. That would be really funny if handled right and even better if the show were to take it seriously too imo
Oh, dear gods save me for this thought but... Dedra moves in with Syril and his mom, Sargent Mosk comes to live with them, court's Syril's mom and now a year later, Sargent Tactical Blueberry is Syril's new Step-Dad and STILL calls him Sir
The Empire won't see it that way. She backstabbed everyone she could to ascend, all the people she climbed over will use this to shoot her down. This was a colossal F-Up, and because she was in charge when it went down, _everyone_ on the ground will throw her under the bus.
Doubtful. Take the dichotomy of the operations against Kreegyr, and the one to capture Andor. Kreegyr they terminated with extreme prejudice, not even bothering trying to gather intel. They consider that a success. Ferrix, they tried to capture Andor and had it blow up in their faces. For all the reasons given by Alan about the culture of the ISB, this will reinforce the instinct to just shoot first and ask no questions. She has made enemies on the way. Blevin will be chomping at the but with “If I had still been in charge……” type nonsense. Her peers will not stick their heads out for her. Neither will Partagaz. She’s the scapegoat, pure and simple.
I hope not because that would be really lame if they killed her off right at the beginning of the second season! She’s one of the most interesting characters in this already amazing show!
I don't think they'll kill her off by the start of Season 2, but she'll definitely be thrown under the bus by the ISB. Which might kickstart an entire arc of her and Syrill being on the run, but contrary to Andor and the rest of the cast, they will be trying to find a way to "redeem themselves" in the eyes of the Empire. Like capturing Andor once and for all, or trying to expose the entire Rebel Alliance. Which will inevitably fail and eventually result in Dedra's death, or Syrill's or both, but that's not happening until around the SECOND HALF of Season 2, that's what I believe at least.
@@MrDibara no chance. Her boss isn't Darth Vader. The ISB don't just kill people who fail them, particuarly when they are almost certainly going to regain control of the situation.
@@alexander9703 Not kill, but she'll definitelly be accounted responsible and possibly even get an arrest warrant. I might be going too extreme here, but this is the Empire! Going extreme is what they do. Hence my hipothesis of her and Syrill going rogue, but trying to get their credibility back by capturing Andor once and for all. Which will obviously fail and possibly cause their demise later on, since homeboy makes it to Rogue One after all.
@@MrDibara ot she might be sent on some "suicide mission", not in the usual way i mean, but some task on the ground that is extremely dangerous and with the prospect of a hard punishent for failure. maybe something informal, so that the isb can distance itself from her action if she fails and will not assist her in any way. that might open the opportunity for syril to join her since he probably is desperate enough to go on such a mission
I don't know what's ahead for her yet, but I really want to see her character get a fitting end, and I think this show will deliver. I want to see something like she figures out the truth about Mon Mothma, Luthen, and the whole rest of the network, and Luthen sacrifices himself to take her down before she can report it. Or in an ironic twist, she is at least partially successful, and is promoted...to a position on the newly-built Death Star.
Definitely see Cyril and Dedra forming a mutual alliance since she is going to be completely disgraced because of this mess, maybe not kicked out of ISB, but certainly going to see her career disgraced. Both their goals are going to be aligned and he is going to be one of the few resources she has available.
The first thing that should've come out of his mouth after he 'rescues' Dedra should've been, "I know how this looks but I can assure you I'm not stalking you."
I pondered this idea the other day when I rewatch the episode. Who will be blamed for this? It has to be her. She's literally the highest ranking imperial on the planet. Granted she had nothing directly to do with homeboy losing his crap and flipping over B and inciting the riot. But clearly she is a perfect scapegoat for this. And given her demeanor, and that she's a woman. This will show that she was inept and should have never been in the position. Speaking like an imperial, not as a rational decent human being who respects all people regardless of what they identify as.
She could always blame the Prefect. He's the perfect scapegoat. Nobody likes him, he's too stupid to live, and high enough in the ranks to quell the Empire's thirst for blood after the riot.
Dedra's best course of action is to throw Partagaz's words back at him when he said ISB doesn't handle security, that's for the military. The Imperial Army was "in control" of security regarding the funeral, but it all went completely out of control when a much larger crowd than allowed showed up sooner than allowed. Dedra could blame Captain Tigo claiming that he allowed everything to descend into chaos despite his earlier assurances of what the army had planned for control over the funeral. Dedra cannot do her job and the job of the Imperial Army. She could also assert that she nearly had Cassian in her grasp if not for everything going to hell.
He wasn't stalking her he followed his lead on Cassian Andor, he stayed in the background until she was in danger of dying. A nice twist would be her being dismissed going rogue with Syril as her mole on the inside giving her whatever information he can get his hands on.
One thing you forgot to mention: the old men's club of that IBS-circle would like to see Dedra fall just bc she is a strong independent woman. Probably something Disney wouldn't like to highly get but probably still there.
The critical mistake that Dedra made was to only focus on the opportunity to capture Cassian alive, totally overlooking the threat of having so many aggrieved subjects massing in public, with opportunity to prepare a violent outburst.
I think it could go one of two ways. First, the local commander takes the blame. He is the one who inflamed the crowd and pulled all his guards away from the hotel (leaving Andor free to rescue Bix). not to mention sending one lone stormtrooper to climb all those stairs only to take the elevator down. Her superiors may see the event as proof that she's on to something big, justifying her actions to date. On the flips ide, she may get seriously demoted and then join Karn on his crusade to find Andor and bring him in (they become a sort of vigilante duo out for revenge). Either way, she isn't going away. My guess is the former: she'll be even more powerful inside the ISB and will reward Karn by bringing him into the organization.
Blevin was right. This was his sector. Perhaps Blevin realized that the Empire bigfooting around his sector would only stir up trouble. That if Dedra stayed in her own sector, Ferrix could have had their parade. Maarva could have railed against an invisible Empire. And Luthen might have found it easier to kill Cass and that problem would have been solved.
A word about Syril and his feelings for Dedra: At the end of Ep.3 we see a man in shock. At the very beginning of Ep.5, what you see is a man contemplating suicide. In Ep.9, we see a man who thinks he's found his saviour: "I thought I had ruined my life. I thought I was done... Just being in your presence, I’ve realized that life is worth living." When he sees her in Ep.12, "She's here. It's her." And then the way he sprints towards the danger. When she asks him, "How?" he responds simply "You were in trouble." The way he feels for Dedra runs super-deep. He doesn't believe in himself, but he does have a deranged belief that there is something better fated for him in the future, and Dedra is now the key to a dream worth clinging to. He can sense it. He knows it. He's out of his mind.
I suspect that there's security footage of Cassian taking Bix, that may be enough to save her life/job as Andor returned just as she predicted. This partial success may allow, from what little know of him, Yularen to take her aside for further cultivation letting others believe she was demoted or rendered irrelevant.
We don't know wether or not he did violate her afterward. I think she will be the scapegoat, that's how the empire works : You fail, you get punished (force chocked if Vader is your supervisor). My theory: She will essentially be isolated in a broom closet at ISB, with Syril on the ground trying to infitrate the Rebellion for her.
If she returns to the ISB she's either in prison or dead. She didn't just cause a little mess like Syril did on Ferrix. She let the rebel fuse get lit.
There’s no way he did! Syril is kind of a creep but I don’t think he’s that evil. Your theory about her being relegated to some low level position is really cool tho and could work. It would be hilarious to see Blevin’s reaction to Dedra’s failure tho cuz Blevin’s so obnoxiously smug😂
I think Meera will be on the outs in season 2 and at a low point in her career, but through official or unofficial means will still be pursuing the rebels. Her career redemption will probably be finding and in some fashion eliminating Luthen Rael.
Dude, your clips are amazing! You remind my of my highschool literature teacher 😀who was very good with the analysis of literary works. There are so many aspects and details of Andor that I missed and got discover in your videos!
Something I think could happen in season 2, is revealing characters inside the empire that are neither sympathetic to the Emperor or the rebellion but doing what they can inside the system to keep the bloodshed down. I feel like Partagaz could be someone like that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was nothing mentioned about deploying "everything" for "show of force" when the officers discussed the plan earlier. Keysax said they would have three control positions, snipers and a containment unit. Dedra eliminated the snipers from the plan, so only a containment unit (to apprehend Cassian) and the control positions to secure a corridor for the containment unit to move Cassian into the hotel after they capture him. As soon as things didn't go as planned (funeral starting early and recon units reporting more civilians than allowed), Tigo ordered everything out of the hotel to display some kind of "force". Had he not ordered that, but only prepared defensive positions inside the hotel and the nearby buildings overlooking it, things would have went smoother. His second mistake was to get angry at the anti-imperial speech, attacking the people's event and igniting the whole process faster and earlier. Dedra had absolutely nothing to do with Tigo's psychological incompetence. Logically, if someone is to blame, that would be Tigo. But we all know Dedra has no back, besides Partagaz (depending on the situation, because I think he will not defend her if he sees his superiors angry at her, in order to avoid putting himself in the hatelist as well), and she will get the big pipe by getting blamed for failing her mission AND causing a riot. Personally, I would be more afraid if I see the Empire deploying ONLY a few squads and being silent during the anti-imperial speech, because I would expect them to react just like Tigo did. I would be thinking something is not right here and even if I had plans to storm the hotel, I migh start doubting about it, since all the troopers I've seen around the city for so long are no longer visible around the city. And if the people were going to attack anyways, if the troops were in defensive positions in the hotel and the nearby buildings, overlooking the hotel, the rioters would be boxed outside on the street where they would've been even easier targets, because they would bunch up in front of the hotel doors. Even if they manage to break in, the imperials could use the corridors as death traps to shoot or roll in some of those grenades that they carried on the speeder for "show of force". L for Tigo....
You make some good points, particularly about Tigo. I like that character a lot. Really well cast, and well portrayed. Tall, good looking, young, privileged, and acts like a spoiled brat. He'd sell out Dedra to save his own skin in an instant. He may be protected by nepotism as well. Personally, I think Dedra ends up in a cage on the Outer Rim, and Syril joins the rebellion to find her. (Did Luthen recognize Syril and did he overhear Syril saying, "She's here. It's her."? He makes an expression, like dots are connecting in an unexpected way. Or am I just imagining that?)
@@thedispatcher01 I don't think Luthen recognized Syril. He has seen him only from the back in a few meters distance and couldn't even care about him, as he said to Andor "kill him". For Luthen, Syril was just a random task force commander NPC on the map. But I think he heard "she's here" by the expression on his face. From his point of view, a random said it and he was too invested in scoping out for Andor to care who was the random that knew Dedra.
Okay, here's another theory about what she may be doing in season 2. Maybe she gets put into a separate unit with the single goal of taking down the blossoming rebel alliance. Instead of just having jurisdiction of a few sectors. But it's a super high stakes assignment that is doomed to failure, a way of giving her what she wants and dooming her at the same time.
Perhaps i am reading too much into it, but Meeros assistant (the grey uniformed one, i forget his name), in the early episodes he is obviously there to support her and does it well. But i notice as the season goes on he seems to be acting more independantly. Carrying out actions before she has asked him to, inserting himself in conversations. it may be nothing but there is no reason he isnt as cut throat and driven as the rest of the ISB. This could be his oppurtunity to surplant her.
To be fair, Cyril wasn't stalking Daedra at the time of the riot, he was there for Cassian. But he definitely didn't turn down a chance to be her rescuer when it presented itself.
I’m guessing she’ll be in disgrace, but still in her role at the ISB. Blevin, et al will use Ferrix to marginalize her whenever possible. Parnagast will probably save her from getting fired - he likes her pluck & there are other ‘incompetents’ on his team that keep getting second chances. I’m interested in seeing where her story goes & how intertwined it will be with Syril & Sgt Tactical Blueberry’s. I do wonder if Syril dating Deedra will alienate Linus.
She gloats to prisoners about being in her net before torturing them. Then goes down screaming like her favorite headphone baby music after one little rock to the side of her head. Her Legacy had a date with her Karma and they agreed they both hate her.
I was legit scared for her when the funeral attendees picked her up and she was grasping blindly. Imagine what she could have been with her skills applied elsewhere. The underdog, brilliant outsider that caused too many ripples in a rigid swamp, I was rooting for her until each episode ended where I found myself surprised by my own reactions
I do believe that she is done for good on ISB. And being saved by is number 1 fan only makes me more inclined to that. I would love to see Syril and Dedra toguether, trying to catch Cassian by them selfs. I would love to see them getting a face off with cassian and then realize that the true enemy is the empire joinning the Rebelion with all their hearth and abilities
I doubt there would be much reprecussions here. Imperials makes mistakes a lot and it doesnt always end with a force choke. I can see the empire writing it off as a "dead rebel incited violence against local imperial garrison" etc. If anything the ISB would now be even more alert to Andor and the rebel cell led by Luthan. Dedra will likely be de-briefed, maybe have the secotor removed from her but is likely to be allowed to continue to lead the investigation. But we wont know for another 2 years 😭😭
Both Dedra and Cyril went into Ferrix confident with their ideas and teams and objectives- and both were met with some grave humility.... curious how this will develop
You keep mentioning how the events flow smoothly with the characters and I believe that both the Major and Colonel could potentially see what happened and keep her in ISB. She could get a side promotion into a more focused anti rebel taskforce.
Can’t help rooting for Dedra. I have a soft spot in my heart for the Unheeded. Even if she’s right for the wrong reason. Plus the actor playing her absolutely nails the performance.
Awesome insights BUT! The rebel network that Dedra imagines (lots of parts disappearing) is not the actual rebel network, she literally just got lucky by picking up on a single anomaly, Cassian. Even Luthen is happy about her thinking this, because those other "thefts" have nothing to do with him. So really, this entire story is a series of random chance happenings; Cassian being hassled by the two corpos, Syril being a random guy who doesn't let it go when even his supervisor says so, the imagined connection of the missing equipment which has nothing to with a rebel network (Cassian just stole it for cash), and on and on. Even Marva coming across Cassian as a child was a chance happening. I think we'll start to see how chance continues to play a stronger and more obvious role in this series in the next season.
I've seen situations similar to that funeral, one in which emotions are high and people are looking for a way vent their anger. What Dedra could have done is allow the funeral, but have security forces stationed nearby and out of sight. Basically, don't give the grieving public security forces to protest against. I suspect they could have planted hidden cameras, etc. in advance to monitor the situation and watch for Andor.
Dedra will certainly get the blame for Ferrix, as will the Imperial Army Captain who was in charge of security. It will be interesting to see how far Dedra will fall as a result of Ferrix. Then again, I don’t know that she could have fully anticipated the depth of insurrection that was brewing on Ferrix. In fact, I don’t think Luthen even calculated what was going to happen. He was there to make an easy assassination of Cassian as soon as the ISB took him into custody. I think Dedra expected a relatively clean arrest and Luthen expected a relatively easy kill shot. After the uprising, they both appeared to be bewildered and shaken Dedra more so than Luthen of course. Guess what though? They both failed! Luthen came out the winner due to sheer dumb luck and Cassian’s ability to infiltrate his secure little world of secrecy. LOL
I think one thing in Dedra's favor is she was right about a rebellion formenting. She will be demoted and reprimanded but not totally removed from the ISB.
Who can they blame? Dedra, who is a high ranking Imperial which would put the blame on their own government? Maarva, who is dead? I think nobody will be directly blamed or face consequences, but Ferrix will be secured a lot more and see plenty of changes as the Empire tries to avoid something like this from happening again, just like how it went with Aldhani.
I see Dedra as another Maketh Tua (SW Rebels): an ambitious, competent but otherwise way over her head bureaucrat who quickly crumbles when the situation becomes too...physical. I wouldn't be surprised if she shares a similar fate: expended and sacrificed by the same empire she once so enthusiastically defended.
To be fair Cyril was NOT stalking her when he saved her, he was there for his own reasons and just happened to see her and of course save her when she was in trouble. Before, yes he was stalking, but, that's only because we know he's fetichizing her, in practical terms the way he "bumped" into her was the only way to actually talk to her outside of getting arrested again.
I expect her to take the fall and for her and Syril to go rogue, ultimately causing MORE problems for the empire. THEY are the Gollum of this series lol
Okay, THAT LAST LINE now makes me wish to see a freed Kino Loy finding the desperate and on the run Dedra and Syrill, "adopt" them and basically help them out, making them feel conflicted about their loyalty to the Empire. Since you mentioned them being "the Gollum of the Empire", why not bring the man himself to make the theme come full circle? 😁 *_Yeah, I need to lay off the coffee a little._* 😅
I didn't see that actually and still don't. What I see: Linus is still sitting on the same steps, giving a side eye to the direction Syril would be coming from. He's clearly been there awhile. The dust has settled. Three people walk casually by, not in any rush. He takes a swig of his flask and then looks at it, indicating that it's nearly empty. He puffs his cheek in a heavy sigh of acceptance. What I don't see is Syril's hat. Linus isn't wearing it, and in fact it's nowhere to be seen in the shot. Syril isn't coming back. Sadly, this is the end of the story for Linus Mosk.
I'm pretty confident that the rest of ISB is gonna look down at her and possibly worse for the Ferrix revolt. She was the one who was so interested in the planet and fought to get control of it, in a way her storyline mirrors Syril's in the first few episodes
The truly scary thing is if a single Storm Commando team had been deployed, there would be no season 2 for Andor. A commando team would have simply surveilled the position, quietly picked up Andor and turned him over to an Imperial Interrogation team. But instead of filling in the requisition forms for a specialist team, Dedra HAD to get involved with all the overkill we know and love the Empire for.
I don't know if Storm Commandos actually exist in canon. But a squad of Shadow Troopers could've been nice... Or maybe a squad of Death Troopers where one member doesn't get disarmed by civilians.
She is ISB and is basically a political officer. Most political offers aren't technically in charge, so I doubt she will take the most of blame for the debacle. It may work in her favor if her superiors realize there is a larger threat to the Empire
I think that's what they're implying, especially since it was Syril, someone whose career trajectory crashed and burned after a similar incident in the exact same place, who rescued her from the melee. And since they both want to get their hands on Cassian, perhaps they'll go rogue and team up to find him. I also think there's an opportunity for make Dedra extremely bitter with the Empire. 1.) She'll no doubt be scapegoated for the uprising on Ferrix. 2. There was a brief scene with Blevin discussing Mon Mothma with the driver/spy. I presumed he was dismissed or reassigned somewhere undesirable. But that quick scene showed he was very much up to some high stakes stuff. So I think that these elements could turn Dedra into some sort of anti-hero duo in the next season.
I think that if we ever see Dedra again, she either have been demoted or fired. The one year time jump is a perfect set up. Just imagine what could happen in a year. Look at how much happens to Andor in just a few months, he kills multiple people, helps in the Aldahni raid and incites a prison riot.
My personal theory that I've had since I finished the finale is that Syril will replace the attendant that was shanked by Cinta. I don't feel like they would have just killed him off for no reason, And I believe with this, Dedra and Syril will direct the blame from Ferrix to the Imperial Prefect and his Staff Sergeant, since they are completely liable and could be great scapegoats for them. And I believe Major Partagaz will eventually promote Dedra to Captain, giving her a 4 square blue plaque, and she will give the position of lieutenant, her current rank, to Syril. That's just my theory though.
I can see why all the comments are saying what they are saying BUT in a recent interview Denise hinted that Dedra has a bigger part in season 2 and that she cannot wait to play Dedra again.. her comment was ' I'm going to Dedra the hell out of season 2'... Which sounds amazing and means we can relish even more of her incredible acting. Bring on Dedra!!
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Failure has never been tolerated by the empire. The fact we are all questioning whether or not she will be punished shows how good of a job Tony did to humanize the empire. She is about to get canned as Cyril did. At least that is my expectation.
Remember that Syril didn't go to Ferrix looking for Dedra -- he was looking for Andor. He had no idea she was going to be there, so it wasn't really a matter of stalking, in that case. And he *did* run right out into the line of fire as soon as he saw she was in danger, so he can be pretty heroic when push comes to shove. He's definitely a strange, complex character.
I'm hoping he joins the rebels as a spy. It's the kind of rouge, out of bounds action Dedra might get forced to do and Syril is the kind of guy to go along with it. Plus it would be interesting to see how well he hold up when the empires crimes are shown directly to him in a way he can't deny.
Would make sense too because as they become more tyrannical he would become disillusioned with then
Syrill wasn't stalking Dedra when he went to Ferrix, he was stalking Andor. He was operating on the same tip that Dedra was, that Cassian would probably show up for Ma's funeral.
So *for once,* his meeting with Dedra was purely coincidental on THIS time. Cool. Guy got to be the hero for his girl genuinely.
Well... to be fair, he probably wasn't surprised that his Pure Angel of Order was there seeking the wicked agent of chaos too. It's what his heroine _would_ be doing.
True but he DID stalk her outside the ISB headquarters so the label still sticks.
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@@MalzraAirwynnI don't think the word "stalk" fits, especially in the sexual/romantic sense. He wanted to talk business with her, first and foremost, and getting in contact with her, an ISB Lieutenant, is not exactly easy (he himself said it). I mean, yeah, his choice of words and awkwardness makes it understandable why she'd feel uncomfortable, but then again, if you were in his shoes, how would you contact Dedra in a quick and reliable way (that doesn't include writing a letter to the ISB which she may not get around to reading in months, if ever)? Remember, "I just wouldn't seek her out" is not a viable answer here. Because I, for one, cannot think of anything better than attempting to physically meet her at a place she's likely to be at. I doubt Meero surfs the Star Wars equivalent of Facebook after work hours (if such a thing even exists in that universe), it's not like Karn can DM her or call her, so...let's not be too quick to point fingers.
We learned the ISB’s stance from the raid on that ship. They will not appreciate the Ferrix ordeal.
The show certainly spent a lot of time early in the season setting up how cut throat the ISB is.
Seems like Dedra will be fed to the wolves the same way Cyril was.
Will be interesting to see what is in store for those two…
@Eesti mees No, I think its the other way round. She is going to be fired completely just like Cyril was. Then the two of them get to go on a quirky adventure together trying to prove they were right all along....and probably get clapped like a couple of clowns by some Ewoks or something at the end.
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@Eesti mees Sure that is the other possibility. It depends on whether the writers want to tell a fun story, or maintain internal consistency. Normally, I expect the former with post-Disney Star Wars but with Andor I can't be too sure.
I suspect they built up her assistant (Heert) for a reason--he is obviously just as ambitious as she is. She was also warned by Major Partagaz to watch her back. It's also suspicious that Heert was (conveniently) absent from Ferrix for this disaster, thereby escaping any potential blame. My prediction is that Heert will backstab her and move to claim her old job, which will force her to rely on Syril to redeem herself.
Well yes but both Heert and Dedra seem to have some kinda of good relationship with work
Its most likely that will happen but he wont stab back her
I mean, idk at this point
The show is so good that makes the plot unpredictable
No doubt. They planted plenty of seeds.
He clearly looks up to and respects her though.
Someone who purpousely stays late to work on something that would further your superiors career, despite their insistance that you're free to go, and backs them up in a previous career-critical situation isn't going to backstab said superior just like that.
She probably chose him as her assistant precisely because just like her, he puts doing a good joob above his career.
I thought that Cinta stabbed him
@@braxtonburcham that’s a different guy who worked for her. Her assistant kept interjecting himself into her conversations with her boss a few episodes back.
Well, it IS her fault. Her troops advised her to use more men, but she wanted to take Andor so much that she reduced her troops and wasn't much of use during battle. It's not Syril's case where he couldn't predict Luthen, here Dedra could prevent all this but she didn't and failed.
Blevin is that you?
Not hanging locals might have been a smart move. If they had taken him to a prison, rather then hanging him in the street maybe his son wouldnt be making bombs.
"battle"
She had just arrived and did not know the city at all. The local pig who was super worried about his title was responsible for securing perimeter and controlling the situation on the ground. She was there to oversee it. That's like saying it's the fault of the superintendent visiting when a teacher can't control the class. It's always on the every day leader when their subordinates fail, not the temp.
She said no snipers, that’s hardly a reduction of troops
As a former military officer who worked in law enforcement I can identify with Dedra. She wants to do her duty but struggles because she’s surrounded by tools and has questionable superiors. I’ve been there.
Yes.... this right here. I am a former Army NCO and totally can sympathize with Dedra Meero to some degree. I was with a number of ticket punching tools that were useless. I just can't tell if she is just trying to do the job well or is another goose stepping and cool aid drinking hack.
My goodness, yes, this. I'm living a Dedra life right now (fortunately with less potential for violence and at least 33% less actual evil empire).
She made a lot of mistakes on the ground too, there's plenty of blame that lands directly at her feet.
fux the police
Alternatively it’s normally the person who calls all their colleagues tools who has the most space to grow
Honestly I hope that given her otherwise stellar peformance record for the ISB Yularen might step in to cover for her. Assuming of course she doesn’t try to cover up her mistake and acts with a degree of integrity.
Yularen is the type to value competent officers that can admit to mistakes,seen best in his work with Thrawn during the Grand Admiral Savit incident.
I'm not sure the Yularen in Andor is quite the same character-wise as in CW/Rebels. Seems much more of a stuffy generic imperial.
but she doesn't look competent to anyone who hasn't the same information we viewers have. i mean her success isn't really stellar as she couldn't prove any of her theories, doesn't matter that she was right when nobody knows it. she didn't get andor, she is responsible for the riot and she still has no clue who axis is or proof that he even exists. and bix escaped, who is the only person who could identify luthen. so her stellar success basically is an unproven theory that lead to nothing, but chaos. don't see why anyone would risk his reputation based on that
@@NR-fd9wv Yularen is the head of ISB, and has the Emperor's confidence. Unless the Emperor himself told him to punish her, Yularen can do whatever he wants really, even save her/Make a new office for investigation and put her in charge of the "Axis" investigation only and not one of the sectors, for example.
I get the feeling the Yularen we see is like many at this point in time, bored of the day-to-day running of the empire and so not 100% convinced of the idea of rebel elements acting out with a degree of coordination. In season two, we may see that change and him becoming the Yularen we see in the Thrawn novel and in Rebels, who is more keenly awake to the rebel activity going on.
There is a funny duality, the finale has the citizens being told to take up to the threat the empire poses, while the empire itself save for a few is asleep as well to the threat a coordinated rebellion poses if allowed to grow.
Dedra is definitely still creeped out by Syril in that scene, but I was on edge the entire time hoping it wouldn't go into falling-for-your-deranged-stalker territory. Thank goodness it didn't, and that might be entirely down to the actors' performances. That doesn't preclude Dedra taking a devil's bargain of an alliance with Syrill. I think she'll still end up in the clear, since she so loudly ordered that there be no shooting, and she can pass the blame back to Blevin for appointing whatsisname guy not in a ballgown as prefect.
Yeah the "Prefect" is certainly an idiot but I think even an experienced CO would have a serious problem trying to defuse that funeral... Suprised they didn't have tear gas onhand to disperse the crowd.
I’m not so certain Syril is attracted to Dedra romantically. He may simply look up to her as an example of security and safety under Imperial rule and simply wants to work with her because he admires her. I don’t deny that if they do have more interactions during season 2 they could develop a romantic relationship, but so far nothing is set in stone
They have so much sexual tension tho lol 😂
However Syril is a bit creepy tho
Well they seemed pretty darn close to kissing in the finale!
@@DanFlashes99 that's what I was thinking too
@@Ellie-nm5hc anakin was weird in a more sexual way tbf
Syril has deep-seated mommy issues and as a result he both loathes and craves powerful women. He’s infatuated with Dedra but is also using her to redeem himself-and now she may be in a position to do the same to him. I expect them to have an extremely toxic courtship that only lasts as long as they are useful to one another and ends with them hating each other.
What you guys think? Is a courscanti underworld flat too small for a caring mother and two lovebirds?
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There is only one window in that whole flat, the one in Syril's bedroom and someone is going through that window. The only question is who
Every disaster needs a good scapegoat
If you wish to remain consistent with internal logic both in Andor and ISB, Dedra should face the consequences. Her ISB boss told her she should watch her back, so if there are no consequences, it would contradict what was established about ISB. Also, she failed as bad a Syril did on Ferrix earlier. Syril felt the consquences. I don't think she's gonna get fired, but her responsibilities will be reduced.
That would also force her into a situation similar to Syril; Having to work from the margins obsessively pursuing Andor as that is her only chance to redeem her position. She and Syril will become the socially awkward duo antagonists of the first arc of season 2.
@@briangrover873Even when I watched "Andor" for the first time, I felt like there was a subtle-but-not-too-subtle parallel between Syril Karn and Dedra Meero. On a surface level, they appear to be the typical teacher's pet conformists, but a closer look shows their rebellious and individualistic natures - Karn customizes his uniform and Meero talks out of line with her superiors. They both go out of their way and do things outside of their authorization, in their pursuit of justice for the greater good. Dedra's failure (on the same planet, pursuing the same man), and her facing the consequences for it, is yet another parallel between her and Syril.
I thought it was enlightening to see her go from the calm, cool, knows what she wants 'leader' to a person scared out of her wits. Great actress to convey that fear.
Extraordinary that we are invested in both the Rebellion and Empire characters.
The series has set a very high bar in terms of script, production and acting
She’ll be lucky if she isn’t assembling Death Star parts by the beginning of the next season. You don’t typically fire and let loose someone with that much classified intel in their head and a possible chip on their shoulder, that’s called a major liability should enemy forces get their hands on her or she take the info to, say, Jabba the Hutt. She’ll either be sorting mail in the ISB basement, walking barefoot in a labor prison, or running for her dear life next time we see her.
Bruh, *Dedra going to Jabba , the Hutt has got to be THE SINGLE worst scenario possible.*
You know _damn well_ what the fuck that obese-ass, demented gangster would do to her! 😭
That's my thoughts on it as well. She'd best start looking for a new job elsewhere before her bosses at ISB can catch up to her.
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I think she'll be moved to a side office, where she no power and needs everything approved(document access, operation setups, etc.), but where she can conduct her investigation of Axis.
She is such a good actor.
I’m literally so frustrated that we’ll have to wait two full years for the rest of this masterpiece!😡
Thank you tony and team!😁
Dude...RIGHT?! I did not walk into this season thinking Rings of Power was going to be so lame and Andor (what i thought was going to be another mediocre star wars show) being so awesome!
I’m a little frustrated at the thought that there is said to be a year time jump, and thus we may not see the immediate aftermath.
“Masterpiece”😂
@@DaltonUber yeah the show maybe but i like the music of khazakdum sorry i forgot the proper name
@@station7thedoor i'm a bit worried what ferrix will look like a year later, empire is not just going to leave
Bro you're very quickly becoming my favorite Star Wars UA-camr. Your style of intelligently discussing the characters and world of Andor is so refreshing and fun! Thanks for the great content, Allen!
One thing that’s continually rang in my head throughout this show is Luke’s line to the Emperor in RotJ: “Your overconfidence is your weakness” and I feel that applies to the Empire as a whole, coupled with Cassian’s line about the Empire earlier in the show
Dedra and Syril have something in common now - they have both got people under them killed in a catastrophic attempt to catch Andor on Ferrix!
I wonder if she will be sacked and they will team up somehow, wanting to get revenge on the man they blame for their failure.
Oh, I can _SO_ see that being the case later on.
They'll fail to just see the nonsense corruption and backstabbing of the Empire they serve, instead blaming all their disgrace on this one fugitive Rebel that always evades capture from them.
And that's gonna be their downfall, oh yeah, it's happening. They'll be betrayed by the Empire *hard,* Director Krennic-style, with the tragedy being that they could've lived had they realized who their true enemy was a lot sooner.
A small funeral of ten turned into four hundred 😂
I find it hilarious that we just came full circle back to Ferrix with Dedra making the same mistakes as Syril but on a grander scale. You can probably say that the empire at large will make the same mistake again with the galaxy as a whole and will just lose again. They really never learn.
"You want to start a conversation? Find Axis."
She did not. Nor did she find Andor. Bix escaped. Corv was murdered in an alley. Dead officers, dead civilians. An escaped terrorist (Wilmon), and even Maarva's droid is unaccounted for. It's a complete catastrophe, and even worse, from ISB's perspective, she's somehow in tandem with the disgraced Deputy Inspector.
"Watch your back." And, "You fall here, you fall alone." I predict Dedra will be in a cage on the Outer Rim, and Syril will join the Rebellion to find her.
I think you gotta watch out for Heert, too. He's very competent, enough so that it appears to concern Dedra in one scene ("Get Dr. Gorst, send him out there immediately." "I already did. He’s own his way.") and he was pushing her in the beginning. ("I don't know what I'm doing. About any of it." "Yes, you do. You're on to something.")
Not only did she underestimated her military forces, her ignorance and blatant disregard for the culture and tradition of Ferrix are what gave her the illusion of control.
I have no idea what’s being planned for Dedra. But please, please, please let her meet Eddy Karn. 😂
She gave permission for most everything Ferrix wanted for the funeral to lure Andor out. It was homeboy with military that lost his shit, flipped B over and incited the riot while she was trying flush out Andor. But yeah, she will take the fall.
She was behaving like she was Swiss official governing Myanma Village ignoring the diffrencies in discipline and cultures
I think it would be funny if Linus Mosk, Syril Karn, and Dedra Meero all moved into Darth Mom’s house while trying to catch Andor (unsuccessfully). Basically Friends but for a bunch of jobless losers
Lol why are we throwing Linus into the mix now?!😂😂. That would be really funny if handled right and even better if the show were to take it seriously too imo
It's the planned spin off sitcom. Get ready for the hijinks!
Oh, dear gods save me for this thought but... Dedra moves in with Syril and his mom, Sargent Mosk comes to live with them, court's Syril's mom and now a year later, Sargent Tactical Blueberry is Syril's new Step-Dad and STILL calls him Sir
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There's also a second angle you can look at it: everything that happened there just proved her point.
The Empire won't see it that way. She backstabbed everyone she could to ascend, all the people she climbed over will use this to shoot her down. This was a colossal F-Up, and because she was in charge when it went down, _everyone_ on the ground will throw her under the bus.
Doubtful. Take the dichotomy of the operations against Kreegyr, and the one to capture Andor.
Kreegyr they terminated with extreme prejudice, not even bothering trying to gather intel. They consider that a success.
Ferrix, they tried to capture Andor and had it blow up in their faces. For all the reasons given by Alan about the culture of the ISB, this will reinforce the instinct to just shoot first and ask no questions.
She has made enemies on the way. Blevin will be chomping at the but with “If I had still been in charge……” type nonsense. Her peers will not stick their heads out for her. Neither will Partagaz. She’s the scapegoat, pure and simple.
I hope not because that would be really lame if they killed her off right at the beginning of the second season! She’s one of the most interesting characters in this already amazing show!
I don't think they'll kill her off by the start of Season 2, but she'll definitely be thrown under the bus by the ISB.
Which might kickstart an entire arc of her and Syrill being on the run, but contrary to Andor and the rest of the cast, they will be trying to find a way to "redeem themselves" in the eyes of the Empire. Like capturing Andor once and for all, or trying to expose the entire Rebel Alliance.
Which will inevitably fail and eventually result in Dedra's death, or Syrill's or both, but that's not happening until around the SECOND HALF of Season 2, that's what I believe at least.
@@MrDibara no chance. Her boss isn't Darth Vader. The ISB don't just kill people who fail them, particuarly when they are almost certainly going to regain control of the situation.
@@MrDibara cptn phasma?
@@alexander9703 Not kill, but she'll definitelly be accounted responsible and possibly even get an arrest warrant.
I might be going too extreme here, but this is the Empire! Going extreme is what they do. Hence my hipothesis of her and Syrill going rogue, but trying to get their credibility back by capturing Andor once and for all.
Which will obviously fail and possibly cause their demise later on, since homeboy makes it to Rogue One after all.
@@MrDibara ot she might be sent on some "suicide mission", not in the usual way i mean, but some task on the ground that is extremely dangerous and with the prospect of a hard punishent for failure. maybe something informal, so that the isb can distance itself from her action if she fails and will not assist her in any way. that might open the opportunity for syril to join her since he probably is desperate enough to go on such a mission
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I love the Meero character.
I don't know what's ahead for her yet, but I really want to see her character get a fitting end, and I think this show will deliver. I want to see something like she figures out the truth about Mon Mothma, Luthen, and the whole rest of the network, and Luthen sacrifices himself to take her down before she can report it. Or in an ironic twist, she is at least partially successful, and is promoted...to a position on the newly-built Death Star.
Definitely see Cyril and Dedra forming a mutual alliance since she is going to be completely disgraced because of this mess, maybe not kicked out of ISB, but certainly going to see her career disgraced. Both their goals are going to be aligned and he is going to be one of the few resources she has available.
The first thing that should've come out of his mouth after he 'rescues' Dedra should've been, "I know how this looks but I can assure you I'm not stalking you."
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I pondered this idea the other day when I rewatch the episode. Who will be blamed for this? It has to be her. She's literally the highest ranking imperial on the planet. Granted she had nothing directly to do with homeboy losing his crap and flipping over B and inciting the riot. But clearly she is a perfect scapegoat for this. And given her demeanor, and that she's a woman. This will show that she was inept and should have never been in the position. Speaking like an imperial, not as a rational decent human being who respects all people regardless of what they identify as.
Speaking as a rational human being, she’s the only woman and she failed so she will be blamed because she failed.
@@DayZeroChannelShe din't fail. What happened was inevitable.
Why question? In the military, the person in charge is always to blame. This was her operation, that makes it her failure
@@Subject82 Unfortunately for her, the ISB will not see it that way
She could always blame the Prefect. He's the perfect scapegoat. Nobody likes him, he's too stupid to live, and high enough in the ranks to quell the Empire's thirst for blood after the riot.
Dedra's best course of action is to throw Partagaz's words back at him when he said ISB doesn't handle security, that's for the military. The Imperial Army was "in control" of security regarding the funeral, but it all went completely out of control when a much larger crowd than allowed showed up sooner than allowed. Dedra could blame Captain Tigo claiming that he allowed everything to descend into chaos despite his earlier assurances of what the army had planned for control over the funeral. Dedra cannot do her job and the job of the Imperial Army.
She could also assert that she nearly had Cassian in her grasp if not for everything going to hell.
Backtalk to the boss is a suicide speedrun.
@@user-be5kj1bw3d Perhaps I should have phrased it differently as Dedra *reminding* Partagaz of what he said.
He wasn't stalking her he followed his lead on Cassian Andor, he stayed in the background until she was in danger of dying.
A nice twist would be her being dismissed going rogue with Syril as her mole on the inside giving her whatever information he can get his hands on.
One thing you forgot to mention: the old men's club of that IBS-circle would like to see Dedra fall just bc she is a strong independent woman. Probably something Disney wouldn't like to highly get but probably still there.
The critical mistake that Dedra made was to only focus on the opportunity to capture Cassian alive, totally overlooking the threat of having so many aggrieved subjects massing in public, with opportunity to prepare a violent outburst.
I'm pretty sure the mention of kessel was the heist in Solo
Well done, another good analysis, great points thanks for the deep dive
I think it could go one of two ways. First, the local commander takes the blame. He is the one who inflamed the crowd and pulled all his guards away from the hotel (leaving Andor free to rescue Bix). not to mention sending one lone stormtrooper to climb all those stairs only to take the elevator down. Her superiors may see the event as proof that she's on to something big, justifying her actions to date. On the flips ide, she may get seriously demoted and then join Karn on his crusade to find Andor and bring him in (they become a sort of vigilante duo out for revenge). Either way, she isn't going away. My guess is the former: she'll be even more powerful inside the ISB and will reward Karn by bringing him into the organization.
Blevin was right. This was his sector. Perhaps Blevin realized that the Empire bigfooting around his sector would only stir up trouble. That if Dedra stayed in her own sector, Ferrix could have had their parade. Maarva could have railed against an invisible Empire. And Luthen might have found it easier to kill Cass and that problem would have been solved.
A word about Syril and his feelings for Dedra:
At the end of Ep.3 we see a man in shock. At the very beginning of Ep.5, what you see is a man contemplating suicide. In Ep.9, we see a man who thinks he's found his saviour:
"I thought I had ruined my life. I thought I was done... Just being in your presence, I’ve realized that life is worth living."
When he sees her in Ep.12, "She's here. It's her." And then the way he sprints towards the danger. When she asks him, "How?" he responds simply "You were in trouble."
The way he feels for Dedra runs super-deep. He doesn't believe in himself, but he does have a deranged belief that there is something better fated for him in the future, and Dedra is now the key to a dream worth clinging to. He can sense it. He knows it. He's out of his mind.
I suspect that there's security footage of Cassian taking Bix, that may be enough to save her life/job as Andor returned just as she predicted. This partial success may allow, from what little know of him, Yularen to take her aside for further cultivation letting others believe she was demoted or rendered irrelevant.
Love your analysis of this series.
We don't know wether or not he did violate her afterward.
I think she will be the scapegoat, that's how the empire works : You fail, you get punished (force chocked if Vader is your supervisor). My theory: She will essentially be isolated in a broom closet at ISB, with Syril on the ground trying to infitrate the Rebellion for her.
If she returns to the ISB she's either in prison or dead. She didn't just cause a little mess like Syril did on Ferrix. She let the rebel fuse get lit.
There’s no way he did! Syril is kind of a creep but I don’t think he’s that evil. Your theory about her being relegated to some low level position is really cool tho and could work. It would be hilarious to see Blevin’s reaction to Dedra’s failure tho cuz Blevin’s so obnoxiously smug😂
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They wouldn’t waste her talents tho, at worse she’d be demoted and lose her clout at the HQ
I think Meera will be on the outs in season 2 and at a low point in her career, but through official or unofficial means will still be pursuing the rebels. Her career redemption will probably be finding and in some fashion eliminating Luthen Rael.
Chocked? ANOTHER 1!
Dude, your clips are amazing! You remind my of my highschool literature teacher 😀who was very good with the analysis of literary works. There are so many aspects and details of Andor that I missed and got discover in your videos!
D’aww, I sense a little pup in her and syril’s future. They will be such good parents!
Your analysis is very deep. Many things i never thought of.
Something I think could happen in season 2, is revealing characters inside the empire that are neither sympathetic to the Emperor or the rebellion but doing what they can inside the system to keep the bloodshed down. I feel like Partagaz could be someone like that.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was nothing mentioned about deploying "everything" for "show of force" when the officers discussed the plan earlier. Keysax said they would have three control positions, snipers and a containment unit. Dedra eliminated the snipers from the plan, so only a containment unit (to apprehend Cassian) and the control positions to secure a corridor for the containment unit to move Cassian into the hotel after they capture him.
As soon as things didn't go as planned (funeral starting early and recon units reporting more civilians than allowed), Tigo ordered everything out of the hotel to display some kind of "force". Had he not ordered that, but only prepared defensive positions inside the hotel and the nearby buildings overlooking it, things would have went smoother. His second mistake was to get angry at the anti-imperial speech, attacking the people's event and igniting the whole process faster and earlier. Dedra had absolutely nothing to do with Tigo's psychological incompetence.
Logically, if someone is to blame, that would be Tigo. But we all know Dedra has no back, besides Partagaz (depending on the situation, because I think he will not defend her if he sees his superiors angry at her, in order to avoid putting himself in the hatelist as well), and she will get the big pipe by getting blamed for failing her mission AND causing a riot.
Personally, I would be more afraid if I see the Empire deploying ONLY a few squads and being silent during the anti-imperial speech, because I would expect them to react just like Tigo did. I would be thinking something is not right here and even if I had plans to storm the hotel, I migh start doubting about it, since all the troopers I've seen around the city for so long are no longer visible around the city.
And if the people were going to attack anyways, if the troops were in defensive positions in the hotel and the nearby buildings, overlooking the hotel, the rioters would be boxed outside on the street where they would've been even easier targets, because they would bunch up in front of the hotel doors. Even if they manage to break in, the imperials could use the corridors as death traps to shoot or roll in some of those grenades that they carried on the speeder for "show of force".
L for Tigo....
You make some good points, particularly about Tigo. I like that character a lot. Really well cast, and well portrayed. Tall, good looking, young, privileged, and acts like a spoiled brat. He'd sell out Dedra to save his own skin in an instant. He may be protected by nepotism as well.
Personally, I think Dedra ends up in a cage on the Outer Rim, and Syril joins the rebellion to find her. (Did Luthen recognize Syril and did he overhear Syril saying, "She's here. It's her."? He makes an expression, like dots are connecting in an unexpected way. Or am I just imagining that?)
@@thedispatcher01 I don't think Luthen recognized Syril. He has seen him only from the back in a few meters distance and couldn't even care about him, as he said to Andor "kill him". For Luthen, Syril was just a random task force commander NPC on the map.
But I think he heard "she's here" by the expression on his face. From his point of view, a random said it and he was too invested in scoping out for Andor to care who was the random that knew Dedra.
she had the same problem as syrin and the BSI as a whole,they undestimated the level of organization of the resistence
HUH? What language is this?
pretty excited for what is in store for Dedra and syril
Okay, here's another theory about what she may be doing in season 2. Maybe she gets put into a separate unit with the single goal of taking down the blossoming rebel alliance. Instead of just having jurisdiction of a few sectors. But it's a super high stakes assignment that is doomed to failure, a way of giving her what she wants and dooming her at the same time.
Perhaps i am reading too much into it, but Meeros assistant (the grey uniformed one, i forget his name), in the early episodes he is obviously there to support her and does it well. But i notice as the season goes on he seems to be acting more independantly. Carrying out actions before she has asked him to, inserting himself in conversations. it may be nothing but there is no reason he isnt as cut throat and driven as the rest of the ISB. This could be his oppurtunity to surplant her.
To be fair, Cyril wasn't stalking Daedra at the time of the riot, he was there for Cassian. But he definitely didn't turn down a chance to be her rescuer when it presented itself.
Dedra is clearly the chosen one who will bring balance to the force
I’m guessing she’ll be in disgrace, but still in her role at the ISB. Blevin, et al will use Ferrix to marginalize her whenever possible. Parnagast will probably save her from getting fired - he likes her pluck & there are other ‘incompetents’ on his team that keep getting second chances.
I’m interested in seeing where her story goes & how intertwined it will be with Syril & Sgt Tactical Blueberry’s. I do wonder if Syril dating Deedra will alienate Linus.
Most likely. Her comeback story probably involves the death or capture of Luthen Rael.
She gloats to prisoners about being in her net before torturing them. Then goes down screaming like her favorite headphone baby music after one little rock to the side of her head. Her Legacy had a date with her Karma and they agreed they both hate her.
I was legit scared for her when the funeral attendees picked her up and she was grasping blindly. Imagine what she could have been with her skills applied elsewhere. The underdog, brilliant outsider that caused too many ripples in a rigid swamp, I was rooting for her until each episode ended where I found myself surprised by my own reactions
How can you root for a fascist monster? She tortured people and enjoyed it
Such a fascinating character, I love her!
The acting in these scenes at the ISB is so good, all of the actors are on point.
Great insight here as usual, too bad we have to wait forever to find out...argh!
Best case scenario: she's fired and moves in with Syril and his mother
Worst case scenario: Vader waits for her at ISB headquarters
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I do believe that she is done for good on ISB. And being saved by is number 1 fan only makes me more inclined to that. I would love to see Syril and Dedra toguether, trying to catch Cassian by them selfs. I would love to see them getting a face off with cassian and then realize that the true enemy is the empire joinning the Rebelion with all their hearth and abilities
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I doubt there would be much reprecussions here. Imperials makes mistakes a lot and it doesnt always end with a force choke. I can see the empire writing it off as a "dead rebel incited violence against local imperial garrison" etc. If anything the ISB would now be even more alert to Andor and the rebel cell led by Luthan. Dedra will likely be de-briefed, maybe have the secotor removed from her but is likely to be allowed to continue to lead the investigation. But we wont know for another 2 years 😭😭
I would be dissapointed if she isn't blamed.
The Empire has a long history of encouraging incompetence.
"You can wear a ballgown if you like"
"Wait, are.. you serious? or.. "
Shows up to the riot with a ball gown… looks stunning and steals the show from maarvas holo
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Both Dedra and Cyril went into Ferrix confident with their ideas and teams and objectives- and both were met with some grave humility.... curious how this will develop
Cyril was told not to pursue Andor. Debra had permission.
''Talk about meet cute'' was a good one
I would never be a simp.
Dedra exists:
By your command, my Lady.
You keep mentioning how the events flow smoothly with the characters and I believe that both the Major and Colonel could potentially see what happened and keep her in ISB. She could get a side promotion into a more focused anti rebel taskforce.
Can’t help rooting for Dedra. I have a soft spot in my heart for the Unheeded. Even if she’s right for the wrong reason. Plus the actor playing her absolutely nails the performance.
Awesome insights BUT! The rebel network that Dedra imagines (lots of parts disappearing) is not the actual rebel network, she literally just got lucky by picking up on a single anomaly, Cassian. Even Luthen is happy about her thinking this, because those other "thefts" have nothing to do with him.
So really, this entire story is a series of random chance happenings; Cassian being hassled by the two corpos, Syril being a random guy who doesn't let it go when even his supervisor says so, the imagined connection of the missing equipment which has nothing to with a rebel network (Cassian just stole it for cash), and on and on. Even Marva coming across Cassian as a child was a chance happening. I think we'll start to see how chance continues to play a stronger and more obvious role in this series in the next season.
Ironic how the show with nothing to do with the Jedi has one of best portrayals of the Will of the Force.
I've seen situations similar to that funeral, one in which emotions are high and people are looking for a way vent their anger. What Dedra could have done is allow the funeral, but have security forces stationed nearby and out of sight. Basically, don't give the grieving public security forces to protest against. I suspect they could have planted hidden cameras, etc. in advance to monitor the situation and watch for Andor.
She gonna learn the hard way when her superior said , " watch your back".
Great break down!
Dedra will certainly get the blame for Ferrix, as will the Imperial Army Captain who was in charge of security. It will be interesting to see how far Dedra will fall as a result of Ferrix. Then again, I don’t know that she could have fully anticipated the depth of insurrection that was brewing on Ferrix. In fact, I don’t think Luthen even calculated what was going to happen. He was there to make an easy assassination of Cassian as soon as the ISB took him into custody. I think Dedra expected a relatively clean arrest and Luthen expected a relatively easy kill shot. After the uprising, they both appeared to be bewildered and shaken Dedra more so than Luthen of course. Guess what though? They both failed! Luthen came out the winner due to sheer dumb luck and Cassian’s ability to infiltrate his secure little world of secrecy. LOL
I think one thing in Dedra's favor is she was right about a rebellion formenting. She will be demoted and reprimanded but not totally removed from the ISB.
Who can they blame? Dedra, who is a high ranking Imperial which would put the blame on their own government? Maarva, who is dead?
I think nobody will be directly blamed or face consequences, but Ferrix will be secured a lot more and see plenty of changes as the Empire tries to avoid something like this from happening again, just like how it went with Aldhani.
The Prefect, who antagonized the crowd by kicking over B2EMO and then ordered the Stormtroopers to start firing indiscriminately into the crowd
I see Dedra as another Maketh Tua (SW Rebels): an ambitious, competent but otherwise way over her head bureaucrat who quickly crumbles when the situation becomes too...physical. I wouldn't be surprised if she shares a similar fate: expended and sacrificed by the same empire she once so enthusiastically defended.
Good stuff, worth watching
Your choice of thumbnail is hilarious 😂
To be fair Cyril was NOT stalking her when he saved her, he was there for his own reasons and just happened to see her and of course save her when she was in trouble.
Before, yes he was stalking, but, that's only because we know he's fetichizing her, in practical terms the way he "bumped" into her was the only way to actually talk to her outside of getting arrested again.
I expect her to take the fall and for her and Syril to go rogue, ultimately causing MORE problems for the empire. THEY are the Gollum of this series lol
Okay, THAT LAST LINE now makes me wish to see a freed Kino Loy finding the desperate and on the run Dedra and Syrill, "adopt" them and basically help them out, making them feel conflicted about their loyalty to the Empire.
Since you mentioned them being "the Gollum of the Empire", why not bring the man himself to make the theme come full circle? 😁
*_Yeah, I need to lay off the coffee a little._* 😅
agreed. the writers are setting up having Dedra and Syril be a socially awkward duo of rogue amateur police.
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Nightcrawler was so well done, but very dark view of humanity. The connection to this show makes sense 😂
Dedra is now Cyril's baby momma! Did you notice that Sargent Tactical Blueberry saw the proverbial "sock on the door" then sat down outside to wait.
LOL, I'm gonna have to go back to see that. Poor old Blueberry!
I didn't see that actually and still don't. What I see:
Linus is still sitting on the same steps, giving a side eye to the direction Syril would be coming from. He's clearly been there awhile. The dust has settled. Three people walk casually by, not in any rush. He takes a swig of his flask and then looks at it, indicating that it's nearly empty. He puffs his cheek in a heavy sigh of acceptance. What I don't see is Syril's hat. Linus isn't wearing it, and in fact it's nowhere to be seen in the shot. Syril isn't coming back. Sadly, this is the end of the story for Linus Mosk.
I am a massive fan of the thumbnail. I have passed it several times today and I have laughed every single time.
I'm pretty confident that the rest of ISB is gonna look down at her and possibly worse for the Ferrix revolt. She was the one who was so interested in the planet and fought to get control of it, in a way her storyline mirrors Syril's in the first few episodes
The truly scary thing is if a single Storm Commando team had been deployed, there would be no season 2 for Andor. A commando team would have simply surveilled the position, quietly picked up Andor and turned him over to an Imperial Interrogation team. But instead of filling in the requisition forms for a specialist team, Dedra HAD to get involved with all the overkill we know and love the Empire for.
I don't know if Storm Commandos actually exist in canon. But a squad of Shadow Troopers could've been nice... Or maybe a squad of Death Troopers where one member doesn't get disarmed by civilians.
She is ISB and is basically a political officer. Most political offers aren't technically in charge, so I doubt she will take the most of blame for the debacle. It may work in her favor if her superiors realize there is a larger threat to the Empire
I think that's what they're implying, especially since it was Syril, someone whose career trajectory crashed and burned after a similar incident in the exact same place, who rescued her from the melee. And since they both want to get their hands on Cassian, perhaps they'll go rogue and team up to find him. I also think there's an opportunity for make Dedra extremely bitter with the Empire. 1.) She'll no doubt be scapegoated for the uprising on Ferrix. 2. There was a brief scene with Blevin discussing Mon Mothma with the driver/spy. I presumed he was dismissed or reassigned somewhere undesirable. But that quick scene showed he was very much up to some high stakes stuff. So I think that these elements could turn Dedra into some sort of anti-hero duo in the next season.
I think that if we ever see Dedra again, she either have been demoted or fired. The one year time jump is a perfect set up. Just imagine what could happen in a year. Look at how much happens to Andor in just a few months, he kills multiple people, helps in the Aldahni raid and incites a prison riot.
Yeah I doubt they’re gonna start off a year later with her being super successful, especially not after she failed so massively the previous episode
I can imagine Dedra Meero for this mistake blaming the funerary stone brick. 🤣😂Andor's mom is like: OUT WITH EMPIRE.
My personal theory that I've had since I finished the finale is that Syril will replace the attendant that was shanked by Cinta. I don't feel like they would have just killed him off for no reason, And I believe with this, Dedra and Syril will direct the blame from Ferrix to the Imperial Prefect and his Staff Sergeant, since they are completely liable and could be great scapegoats for them. And I believe Major Partagaz will eventually promote Dedra to Captain, giving her a 4 square blue plaque, and she will give the position of lieutenant, her current rank, to Syril. That's just my theory though.
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How do you think Heert and Syril will co-exist under Dedra? It's dedication vs. devotion. I don't see a clean fight.
I can see why all the comments are saying what they are saying BUT in a recent interview Denise hinted that Dedra has a bigger part in season 2 and that she cannot wait to play Dedra again.. her comment was ' I'm going to Dedra the hell out of season 2'... Which sounds amazing and means we can relish even more of her incredible acting. Bring on Dedra!!
They could make it a sitcom, the two of them in his moms apartment 🤣