Viewer Comments & Questions: 14 January 2019 - That Pedal Show
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- Опубліковано 13 січ 2019
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The main focus of the Q&A will be the main show that went out on the preceding Friday, but we'll answer other stuff too.
Here's the link to the main show being discussed - it was Great Uni-Vibe Sounds, Signal Chain Considerations & Associated Tangents. • Great Uni-Vibe Sounds,...
Yeah, we had some background noise on this one… even using lavalier mics and with Adobe’s noise reduction plugin. If anyone knows how the hell broadcasters deal with this, I’m all ears. Cheers! Mick
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The education you guys provide is worth it's weight in gigs! Thank you.
Had this on whilst clearing up in the kitchen, nearly dropped the plates when I heard my name. Cool.
The philosophical tidbits from Mick on staying on your own music path are priceless. Dan's genuine love for for all thing guitar, pure gold.
Rock on guys !
Live gigs with a Zoom recorder and a couple of locked down GoPros is easy, cheap, and surprisingly decent quality.
You know you're about to have your mind blown when Dan rolls up his sleeves.
Thanks so much for answering my question relating the difference between the vibe-vibrato and chorus-vibrato. That was a great explanation. Thanks for teaching us so much about effects and sound. I work as and study to become a sound engineer, but having you guys explain everything as guitarists would make sense of stuff makes it easier for me to grasp all the concepts and translating it to a live show or a studio recording. My brain has a rule: if in doubt, picture the signalchain like a pedalboard. That makes life so much easier.
Cheers!
I just realised why I like your show so much: you're not just teaching me facts about guitar kit, you're teaching me how to *think* about my gear. Watching your digressions is watching someone think out loud about the sounds they are making, and seeing that process is proving ever so valuable. Developing that cognitive toolkit will hopefully mean that I can hone in on the sounds that move me much more reliably. And maybe even eventually allow me to find new favourite sounds that I hadn't considered before.
I've got a long way to go obviously, but I feel like at the end of that path is a whole world of sound that at present is hidden in deep shadow, such that all I'm currently doing is fumbling blindly in the dark and occasionally stumbling over the sounds that bring me joy. You folk have a torch and know where to point it, and very much appreciate you letting me watch you do so.
Cheers lads!
Everybody in the know knows that rolling up your sleeves makes for a more thorough and generally much better explanation! Dan, you are a legend!
Cheers from Croatia!
Mick's impulse response face is amazing!
Dan and Mick,
Thank you for doing what you do. Just wanted you both to know that you are also greatly appreciated and followed in the United States. Great personalities, great presentations and analysis of equipment, great information, great inspiration. Thank you!!
And definitely got some fans to the North in good ol' Canada as well
Thank you Dan, for reminding me why I used to repatch my Boss PN-2 Tremolo/Pan in the middle of a gig. It was to put the tremolo after the delay for the one song where I wanted a defined tremolo sound while still using delay. I knew there was a reason, but I just couldn't remember what it was.
And thanks for the lovely birthday wishes and the great advice on phase!
I don't know if I've ever made this request before but...Robbie McIntosh!
I would love to see a show with Robbie. The guy has had (and is still having) an incredible career and is such a beautiful player. There is nobody in the world better at making different instruments sound exactly as they should.
Hey guys - idea for you guys on a segment call “No rules”. So many questions each week around signal chain order. I know you guys typically will pepper this in with various topics. Would it be worth doing a segment every once in awhile showing your experiences and discussion on there are no rules - and showing the flexibility of commonly used pedals in different order. Maybe do a poll like you did on the worse pedal platform to see what people are struggling with the most in the signal chain. Thanks guys! Keep on keeping on! My favorite channel by far!
How about a show on pickups how they react with pedals, and maybe some pedals that help guitar changes, such as EQ or boosts for different outputs?
Hi Mick & Dan, I just wanted to post my thanks to Katherine for being so lovely in helping my wife out with the TPS shirt order that was lost due to a postal strike here in Canada. Katherine was really great about it and sent a replacement that arrived last week, as well as emailing us a hand-written card from Mick & Dan wishing us a Happy Christmas and New Year which I received as a special IOU Christmas Day (thanks fellas!). Now I'm the proud owner of a TPS shirt AND the autographs of my two favourite UA-cam tone hounds. Much appreciated! All the best, Rob in Ottawa.
Hi there, Dan here, Mick here!! You guys are great! Greetings from Hollywood California! You guys need a trip to Mexico!! Beaches are the best! Food and the hospitality! Do a show from there AMIGOS!!!
Mick, regarding your question at 7:28, Vibes on the vibrato setting with the speed set to zero are a fantastic always on “signal sweetener”. Some optical tremolos like the Fulltone Supa Trem will do this too.I was first introduced to this concept in Dave Hunter’s book about guitar pedals.
Yes, a wet/dry episode coming!
I'm all wet just thinking about it.
I put twin P-90 'Buckers in my SG (coil-splittable).
Best move I ever made with regard to pickups.
"house bulbs blowing" fun tangent. Your bulbs have been screwed in too tightly over the years causing the tab in the bottom of the socket to become depressed thereby not making full contact with the bottom of the bulb. This means that rather than a solid "Metal On Metal" (Anvil!! LOL) connection there is actually a tiny arc happening inside the socket causing your bulbs to run hot and blow early. Kill the power at the breaker, take a pair of needle-nose pliers and gently bend the tab outwards so that it makes solid contact when a bulb is in the socket and problem solved. Great show as always guys. Thanks!
English light bulbs are BC ( bayonet connect ) not north American ES ( Edison screw)
@@davegetsspam and I...uh... learned something today LOL. Thanks :)
dude are you psychic? I literally just did this to a closet bulb socket on Sunday! rad!
I wish there was a bass show like this. 2 people who love and know about bass, just chatting about bass,pedals and amps. Love the show
You could always just downtune this an octave?
@@ThatPedalShow I'll have to see if i can get an app for that haha
3:30 Dotted 8th explanation
5:58 Vibrato UniVibe vs Vibrato VB-2 vs Chorus pedal vibrato
8:45 NEO Mini Vent rotary pedal
9:34 Boss MD500 Vibe settings
10:02 Impulse responses (IR)
13:40 Bridge pickup - P90
15:54 Mick’s guitar sound
17:40 Leslie cabinet (Joke)
18:05 Vibe interaction with delay
20:43 Vibe, Harmonizer and identification
22:02 Phase shifter - less 190 degrees
24:50 Phaser pedal + Tremelo, close to vibe sound?
27:34 Tone differents 22 watt amp, vs 60 amp attenuated down 22 watt.
30:57 New pedals (vibe) & amps @ NAMM
31:40 JHS Unicorn - Bias control bulb
34:40 Graphic differents between chorus, vibe, tremolo.
35:25 Vibe sound and Morphine :)
As two people who are experts in your respective fields of making good guitar noises and knowing about tone and stuff, I always love hearing these little philosophical tidbits on the nature of 'knowledge' and ensuing rabbit holes. Would very much love to hear a talky and possibly a little self-indulgent video on your understanding on the pursuit of knowledge, experience and being an 'expert' - I think you'd have some very interesting this to say on the matter, even if maybe you struggle to take yourselves seriously for half an hour!
Glad you guys are feeling out of the New Years Blues! That's just life though, and I'm looking forward to seeing what new videos come in 2019 from you! Hopefully more Vlogs please, they have been ace so far!
Guys, along with my "dopeler" effect comment. Please understand that it wasn't directed at anything in the video specicically. I find your information very insightful. Just a funny anecdote to add some humour to your day. Glad you enjoyed it!
You guys are the best. Picked up a new D&M drive last week, and man that thing is amazing. Especially with some fuzz running into it. Just a devastating sound.
oh man, talking the news of the week in that short segment (about the Strymon Volante and such) is actually a great idea of another weekly thing. Even if just added on to this. I know its hard to do a podcast but it was cool to see you guys light up about new stuff, which was the impetus of this entire show
4:27 I've been telling people for YEARS (and commented on that very video) that the easiest way to do dotted-8ths is the Bo-Diddley beat (which is what George Michael used for Faith!!!)
I just realised that the TLS VCQ is my #1 episode on youtube. It feels like hangin' with you guys. Eternal thanks and cheers from Germany.
6:40 Mick just remembered about death for a minute.
Great show as usually Guys. Thanks. Thumbs up for this venue.
Would you guys be able to make a whole video dedicated to the various vibrato/tremolo options available, whether it be from an amp, the univibe, the boss one, etc?
I'm an alcholic - when I'm drinking I find the confidence to actually comment. I've been watching your videos for the last year religiously. Thanks for all your support during this learning period, I've tried a few classic pedals now but I bought myself a couple of Princeton's', one a 57 tweed and the other a reverb. If I were one of the three wise men I would hand Baby Jesus my amps. I would preach the new gt40 as well. Thanks again for all your support. Josh Smith is my new hero! Mick, I watched the George Michael doc programme, it was that good. Dan, time is everything please help me!!! I'm thinking of becoming a drummer instead.
Best to you Ben. I've never been down the hole, but I stand on the edge and look in regularly. Slowly trying to ease back. Mick here. We wish you strength and happy times ahead.
Congrats guys on the successful show!!!.......2019 is gonna b a great year for u guys !!!!!
Love these Q&As. You chaps make great content! And that's from a JEM owner ;)
Lollar Humbucker sized single coil is the way to go. So articulate but has a good rock bit when you need it
I thought about Lollar too. Just from Lollar's reputation, TBH. Never heard them...
My old 1970s Japanese LP copy has single coils cunningly disguised as humbuckers. Getting more than a little microphonic these days but still capable of producing some remarkably good sounds.
When I use tremolo and phaser people (even guitarists) start to go nuts. “That’s the Trower sound” some say. I’m always surprised that they can’t tell the difference. But in much prefer a true vibe and see the new Fulltone in my future. The Vent too :-)
Santa gave me a Torpedo Captor for Christmas. It’s great because now I can use my Hiwatt amp to record with in the evenings after work without bothering my neighbours or annoying my wife. The Hiwatt 2x12 IR sounds just like my cab. It’s great.
Dotted Eighth Explanation: This is best explained with a drawing... which I can't do in the comments....
For me it works like this:
Think in 16ths, I play every 2nd 16th: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9...
The dotted 8th delay then delays each note by 3 16ths, so end up playing on the even 16ths : 4, 6, 8, 10, 12...
If you like, it fills in the gaps.
If you're after a fast, easy way to get things perfectly in phase in your DAW, try the auto-align plugin. I can spend 10 minutes trying to nudge two channels into perfect phase or 10 seconds auto-aligning them and it ALWAYS sounds fuller. Works great on multi-mic stuff too. There's probably a free demo version but honestly it's some of the best money you'll spend.
Every time I hear the Vent I wish I had one. Then I remember I have a Leslie. But I'm not taking that out to gigs every week.
Every time you use the Vent. I totally get sucked in. WANT.
southwestkitty-it do it! I got mine a few months ago, absolutely love it. Sits perfectly in a band mix too
@@justingarcia7722 Awesome Justin. Thank you.
@@southwestkittyit Nice pun by the way. [Posted courtesy of Windows] I hope you enjoy your Vent.
@@kevinjohnbetts Hahahaha. Totally unintentionall. I just got it, the unintentionall pun 😂
Likewise. I'm selling off about 8 pedals to put towards my Mini Vent fund ($500 in Oz).
Much simpler way to explain dotted eighth in relation to quarter notes is that the dotted eighth counted out loud lands on the "ah" in the count " one ee and ah"
This method is how I and many fellow musicians I know were able to consistently achieve dotted eighth on the DL4, which famously did not have any tap subdivisions.
Lovely Smashie & Nicey moment at 09:00, fellas ... keep ‘em coming
His all time favourite Leslie pedal of all time ...
Will we ever get to see Dan's new pedal board?
On a mostly unrelated note: Any chance you can get Paul Gilbert on TPS? Don't you know someone who knows someone...? I've heard him referenced on this show a few times - would be awesome to see if Dan can work some magic on Paul's (little hot mess) pedal board. :)
that would be fantastic. paul's board is something else@@adamfstewart81
Oh my, I got name checked! Yeah, ok, I’ll jet over for your next gig. Hahaha.
"I don't trust this new technology...it just doesn't sound as good as a candle to me." Made my day...still gigglin'. Thanks Mick.
Dan's the Dr. Brian Greene of gear and sound 🙏
The dotted 8th as sung by Dan is a 3-2 clave. Dan has Latin rhythm.
Bruce Hewat the “son clave” to be pedantic about it
20:50 On Gemma's statement.
I've been stuck in that same rut, plenty of times. But when I applied the Uni-Vibe, to some original music in bands, stacking it with the right delay, I've found unique sounds with it.
I use a Caroline Kilobyte, which has a great havoc switch(immediate oscillation), to get some unique tones, and then for really Trippy stuff, I'll put a Boss DD-3 after, to get the more bright delays bouncing.
If I slightly un-focus my eyes, you guys pop out in 3D! MAGIC EYE TPS! (Productive comments which occur to one while deep-diving this glorious VCQ library...)
To the person asking about harmonic trem being expensive, the Supro Tremolo with harmonic mode is cheap as chips (compared to most boutique pedals) and bonus, ITS A BANGING PEDAL
Re: effect of delay on vibe: with delay after vibe, you're going to get an additional mix of modulated signal on top of delay signal. This will increase the chorusing since you're mixing more instances of differently modulated signals.
Love the background to this vid guys. If you squint it looks like 60s Psychodelia . Anyway , lots of info here to digest, Thanks.
I think the person asking about the 20w and 60w situation was implying an external attenuator, that way both amps would be cooking, operating in their sweet spots. The question could be reworded as: do transformers for larger amps have different inherent frequencies, and perhaps does using an attenuator change the tone (see Johan Segeborns attenuator videos)
I don’t know about anyone else but a bunch of the phrases both Dan and Mick use have crept into my vocabulary; Happy Days, MEGA, Have a Play etc...
Always splendid. Thank you
Hi guys, I want to mirror what everyone else has said here KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING. You are providing real world advice on real world gear in a unique way. No one else does it in a way you do. You compare usually to gear we own so we can relate and evaluate what you demo. What I’m trying to say is when you do demo gear you tend to pitch it against alternatives that we may own so it gives us a gauge to compare. Then also you provide banter with real educational informative help. So don’t doubt what your doing or worry to much about target audience. I speak for many, no one else does what you do or even comes close so chin up dudes, you’re doing it right. To my questions, do you know of wireless transmitters that work with germanium pedals? Are the £1000 wireless systems any better at driving germanium pedals? Curious to PNP and NPN transistors, In a circuit do they flip phase? So, you have 2 fuzz faces 1 PNP loaded and the other NPN would the output phase be the same? Cheers guys
Love Gemnas comment about the univibe. I have exactly the same experience with the DoD envelope filter. I bought it as a creative tool but as soon as I kick it on I just become a charity shop Johnny Greenwood.
Cheers
Kelvin
34:36 - looks like it’s time to build an optical circuit that uses a solenoid controlled flame instead of bulb to oscillate. Can probably get both speed and some sort of intensity modulation out of that. Thanks for the inspiration Mick!
Vibe episode was one of my favorites👍🏻
I fucking love this show. I didn't know I could be riveted by forensic trem changes and interminable blow by blow fret jobs. Love you lads. My pedal board and tone love you too. The bit about overdrive before and after Univibe was indispensable. You are both tasty, albeit very different players. Don't be afraid to talk about the licks between the pedals. Would pay to see your gigs. Big ups From Down Under, the land that happened when a Pom tried to be a cowboy;)
Great stuff Guys, very informative. Ta muchly :)
Great stuff!
Quick comment re trem and phaser pedals together (bout 25mins in). The old DOD fx22 VibraThang is just that (in one box). I’ve owned 2 over the years.... provides a lovely warm wobble with the ability to dial in modulation... it’s a mullet pedal (business at the front, party at the back)!
Awesome little box that I reckon is a bit of a sleeper. Cheers.
I think it would be really inspirational to follow you on those learning curves. There's an infinity of uses of guitar pedals for a guitar but a) you should follow these rabbit holes on camera so we can learn how you learn which will help us ask better questions b) use pedals for other things IE synths drums mixes etc c) reasons to mod pedals/history of pedal mods d) amps that you hate would be fun to watch you use so that we can see what you can do with them. E) plz show us how you might equalizers
You guys are an inspiration to us all and you are leaders on this cold digital world and you help us bring the feeling back to music for us gear heads who tend to obsess. Ik it seems weird to have people ask you to try uncomfortable things but the most important thing you can do for us is teach us what questions you ask to get to the knowledge you profess. We respect you as musicians not just technicians. Your art is the presentation of your perspective and I hope that you like these suggestions. Cheers
Thanks guys for answering my question! You're the best... Not to press my luck but would love to get an update on Dan's humbucker sized P90 search.
Will keep everyone in the loop :)
Josh Scott loves the vibrato side of the univibe really subtlety on all the time!
Dan, you have redeemed yourself with your vibrato/vibe explanation! :)
In the lunar phaser by source audio you can go in the app and offset/delay the phase in two amplifiers on purpose. To answer jemmas question s
Mick, you know what to do with some New Years Blues, right? Make a blues song out of it, and play at the next gig! :)
The vibrato mode on a vibe is my favorite sound. With a higher rate and gained up a bit it’s a wonderfully moody sound, def worth a try
Every time Dan explains rhythmic thingummajigs to me I get it. And then as soon as he goes away I forget completely and just ignore it. But.... For the first time ever the bass player I was playing with said that my proudly random repeats were throwing his time... Now what?!
Love the show!
I think I'm going to binge watch the entire TPS channel... 🍕🍺🎸
Dudes! I had the new year blues too, thanks for helping me figure out what it was! Great VCQ. I have a question about the gig you did: Given what you prepped for mentally, pedal board/amp wise, did all go according to plan? What came up or what did you learn for next time.
Could you guys please do an overdrive and distortion pedal shoot out? The best of the best and current popular overdrive and distortion pedals for 2019. That would be fantastic.
Good explanation of the dotted 8th. I like the 'bouncy' feeling it gives to playing 8th note arpeggios or rhythmic parts. Check out early U2 or 'Run Like Hell' from Pink Floyd.
Porter just announced a new humbucker sized P90 for NAMM. I love my Porter A90 pickups in my Novo. Maybe you should look into those.
If you ever run out of episode ideas, you could ask the Captain for their best-selling pedals and review those. Maximum validation for the effort!
Ryan at Bootstrap Pickups in Ohio custom winds excellent pick ups including p-90's in humbucker size. You just need to order a custom p-90 in the regular soapbar size and add a note at checkout that you want it to be in the "Skookum-90" format. He'll wind to your exact specs for a crazy low price for the quality. Going for more of a vintage output, I had him make an Alnico 3, 43AWG 7800 wind with about 7.8k output for an Epi LP Jr. (for a whopping $24.99) and it really sings!
You guys want to get more people to Patreon? Have a non edited show. After meeting you guys, I know that everyone would be laughing.
Dan - for humbucker size P90, check out Railhammer Nuevo 90s or Huevo 90s. They do just what you’re describing, tight lows, full highs (and hum cancelling!)
Glad the gig went well! Let us know if you do any up London way👍🏽
Any chance of doing a Fulltone Fulldrive only episode. It really was one of the very first boutique overdrives. I’ve owned all of them at some point except the original silver ones and the new FD-1 and FD-2 v2. There’s enough models of the thing to warrant a show I would think. The Fulldrive 3 has 3 versions itself with the original orange Custom Shop, a true bypass and now a buffered version.
Brian Huguley I have a TR-100 version. Ever have one of those? Only 100 made back in the 90’s. Been in a box for the past 12 years though.
Mick & Dan I would love to hear some incubus phaser sounds explained from you guys some time. Great job, love your channel
The Mesa F-30 and F-50 are identical save for the EL84 v. 6L6 power sections. And my answer to that question would be, a 50 W amp attenuated to 15 W doesn't sound like a 15 W amp unattenuated. You may or may not like what you get.
In my personal experience, attenuation sounds good down to about -12 dB (depending on the attenuator. I've used the THD Hot Plate and the Groove Tubes Speaker Emulator II), and anything less sounds terrible. So, if you attenuate a 50 W amp by -6 dB (down to 12.5 W), it will sound really good. Or, if you take my F-50 and pop in a pair of THD Yellowjackets with EL84s (as I sometimes do), it will also sound good, but it will still sound *different* to an F-30.
Waiting for episode two of Micks Strat Vlog!!! Please!!!!!!
Today!
Would you please consider working through a pedal like the TC Elec Dream Scape. It has a Vibe, Flang & Chorus settings (actually 2 of each setting) to determine "how true" each of the effects are compared to a dedicated pedal for each effect? This is in response to the 1st question from Frank, Tim & Tom. Many Thanks, Rob
Humbucker to complement a P-90
Dan, it could be worth checking this out in your search for that pickup to go in the bridge of your Huber guitar.
The Yamaha Pacifica VFM-611 has Seymour Duncan pickups, and I find that the humbucker (Seymour Duncan Custom 5 TB-14) they put in there goes really well with the neck P-90 (Seymour Duncan SP90-1n).
It's not too hot but neither is it too weak on the low end.
Flipping the selector gives a tonal variation rather than any massive volume change
It's also it is splittable, and a fairly strong split in single mode to boot, giving you another useful pickup combination in the same guitar.
Getting it now! Second time round. I'm about to start a HNC in construction managment requiring one day off a week but I'd take a pay cut.
So when you mix all those colours that's how you get the "brown sound". Got it. Grabbing some paint now and I'll see how it goes.
Dan/Mick (Hello), Love your show! But as a drummer, you killing me with your explanation of the dotted 8th. Explain it using the 16th note counting 1-e-&-a method. It's much more transparent. A dotted 8th would be counted 1 . . a . . & . . e . . 4 . . a etc. As my pops used to say, if you can sing it, you can play it. P.S. if you ever need a drummer sub for TPS tangent band or ever come to Philadelphia, hit me up!
Lol Mick casually at the end.. how bout THAT!
The dotted eighth thing is *very* easy to confuse with a quarter note triplet. At 120 bpm, a dotted eighth is 375 ms, while a quarter triplet is 333 ms, and the faster the tempo, the less the difference. Depending on the time signature and feel, one will work better or worse than the other.
Us fans that cant be at your gigs would love at least phone recordings on your presentations! pleaseee
The look on Mick's face at 6:59 😂
Any chance of a show on getting good sounds from Transistor amps!? Maybe using Strymon Deco, Sans Amp, etc...
IRs is an interesting and useful topic. It doesn't have to be all that complicated if you don't make your own IRs but purchase them. This is my application and I use it with real amps as well as plugins. The consistency and simplicity compared to hooking up 2-3 mics, setting gain levels and mixing.
Yeah exactly. That's basically what I'm saying. Choose a couple that you like and learn how to get the best from them. Problem for me is that if I don't have feedback through a guitar speaker I just can't feel it. Which to be fair is fine for most tracking work.
I also find that when switching from a tele or strat to my sg junior mid gig to get a certain rock sound that all of a sudden there’s a lack of attack to the notes and a new compression in the upper mids. I’ve backed the volume all the way to 5 or 6 on the sg to mitigate that issue and to get top end sparkle back. But I’ve had to set the gain on almost minimum with some overdrive pedals when switching to the sg junior from a fender in order to maintain a similar edge of break up tone that will cut in the mix. In this regard, I think it’s often a case of context. I’ve noticed it more so live, and that would make sense because that’s when I’m most concerned about cutting through the mix. Example: when I owned the dls mkiii, I’d run it in super bass mode and the strat sounded glorious for Jimi rhythm tones with the gain at 10 to noon; then I’d switch to the sg junior and sometimes I’d run the gain at absolute minimum and volume on the pedal at unity so as to not get any more compression from the front end of the amp also. Problem basically solved.
This is so interesting Craig. I think it's why I find humbuckers and P90s hard work after so many years of single coils. Mick here. Clearly neither is 'better' but there's obviously something in the response differences that we should all understand. Cheers!
I don't know if you are aware of Jetter pedals. I just received their Gold 45/100 and I must say that it is, by far, the best Plexi pedal of them all. Quite inexpensive, I got a gently used one for US$100 . Simple , three knobs (right Mick?) and through a crystal-clean amp it can go from very subtle, barely crunched (right Dan?) to cranked hot-rod Marshall. Best of all, it uncannily replicates a JTM45 better than anything else I have heard. Just check one out and I think you will be very pleased with it.