I've had conversations with 2 Hungarian individuals decades apart and they both used the phrase 'My little country' as in 'I'm impressed that you know so much about my little country.' I don't think they meant that it was like Luxenberg. They meant it was smaller than it should be. This feeling has been passed down through the generations.
Hungarian-Brazilian here. (Part of) My family left Hungary because of Trianon, as they were living in Trieste at the time and the end of the war got them kicked not to Hungary but to Yugoslavia (???). In 1926, they arrived to Brazil and started out fresh, but the trauma of war and post-war persecution made them completely hide their identities (and language) as Hungarians. I claimed Hungarian citizenship based on descent and now strive to rebuild what we have lost: our language and customs, but never our country.
@@fumo7467 that explains a lot. They went to Brazil with Yugoslavian passports, not Italian ones, as one would expect. Trianon dictated that those who remained outside of Hungary’s borders would receive the citizenship of the country they were in
@@koverlaszlotitkosugynok8971 - your avatar pic is awesome Life is easier over here as long as you have money. Brazil is perverse with its lower income population. If you're at least upper middle class you'll be fine. I've been to Budapest once and it's one of my favorite places in the world. I quite like the sound of the language as well, even though it's impossible to learn
@@flazzorbexcept there were no negotiations. In fact the Communists were the first government that the Entente negotiated with, as they actually took up arms instead of accepting every demand imposed on them
@@flazzorbNot reaally. At the end of the war, Mihály Károlyi, a democratic Prime Minister, reduced the millitary in order to negotiate with the Entente. This led to the conquering of Budapest by Romanians. Nobody negotiated with them.
i just have to say i'm actually pleasantly surprised that so far there were very few and not very severe fights in the comments between romanians and hungarians, keep it up guys!!!
Romanians are tired of arguing about this issue. Trianon was inevitable and the people decided. The rest is history. Romania also has a lot of its people in the surrounding countries.
Fun fact... as a reaction to Woodrow Wilson's 14 points program, there was a proposal in Czechoslovakia to rename Prešporok (historical name of Bratislava, which is a Slovak capital) to Wilson City... but it was decided to pick Bratislava instead
As a History enthusiastic Romanian studying Politics and International Relations in the UK, I have dedicated many years of my life better understanding this dispute concerning our two countries. I was born and lived all my life almost in the city of Arad, very close to the Hungarian border, a city shrouded in deep multicultural history, a reference point for both the Hungarian and the Romanian nations in the making of their recent histories. Living in a multicultural environment and having many friends of Hungarian descent, but also having travelled to Hungary at some point for 2-3 years almost weekly, helped me gather the similarities between our two peoples. I personally find Hungarians extremely kind and friendly, with a very rich culture, beautiful language (that I am myself trying to learn out of respect for my region’s unique multiculturalism - Transylvania and Banat), with some of the tastiest food on the continent, and their country having an absolutely gorgeous architecture overall. Being in close contact with Hungarians in Romania and with Hungarians from Hungary made me better understand what 1920 meant to them, and I am very glad I got the chance to view the other side of the same story as well! What I can say is that yes, the empire could not further survive in the form it used to be at that time, given the constant push from all sides to form or reunite their nations in the age of solidifying one entity’s cultural and linguistic identities. I personally think that Romanians did deserve taking a big chunk of Transylvania, given the demographic figures at that time supporting a Romanian majority living on that territory, but the way this took place should have been different. I completely acknowledge that Northern Transylvania was, and still is to some extent, more Hungarian, while the southern bit of the territory more Romanian. Therefore, cities on the border such as Oradea (Nagyvárad), Satu Mare (Szatmárnémeti), Salonta (Nagyszalonta), even my city Arad perhaps, should have stayed within Hungary, given the immediate proximity to the border and the overall Hungarian ethnic and linguistic majority there. On top of that, I assume few people in Hungary today may be aware that when the Romanian elite and people in Transylvania gathered in Alba Iulia (Gyulafehérvár) to proclaim the unity of the territory with the Kingdom of Romania in 1918, that proclamation of unification addressed to Bucharest also entailed equal linguistic and religious rights for all nations comprising the territory, not just for the majority, demanding even their autonomy, a fact that only goes to show how visionary the Transylvanian Romanian elite at the time was, mainly thanks to living in such a diverse empire beforehand. Sadly, Bucharest took too little notice of our endeavours, and pursued a policy centred solely around the further consolidation of the most numerous ethnicity. It is hard and almost impossible to redraw borders today, given that demographics changed for the most part, but what the Romanian state could do would be to grant more rights to the ethnic Szeklers. My personal idea is that granting them autonomy in Transylvania could be a bit risky in light of Victor Orbán’s constant revisionism today, but my solution would the decentralisation in administration and the creation of 9 historic and autonomous regions (based on the Spanish model), where each region minds its own internal affairs without too much intervention from Bucharest. Therefore, Hungarian could become co-official in Banat (Bánság), Transylvania (Erdély), Crișana (Körösvidék), and Maramureș (Máramaros), leading to a long-term peace prospect. And this could happen, as it is already a reality in the Serbian autonomous province of Vojvodina (Vajdaság), where 6 languages are official, this example also being an important reference point to the topic discussed. I am as well asking the Hungarian part to also acknowledge the struggles of the Romanian people under the Kingdom of Hungary and their neglect from education and political and administrative lives. The policy of magyarisation for example was one of the worst to all ethnic groups living withing Greater Hungary, and I wish more Hungarians shed light on the importance of this to us, and what led to the ultimate breakaway of the empire as well. I mean this in the least nationalistic manner, but it is paramount for both sides to acknoweldge their wrongdoings in building a better future. All in all, I will personally do everything in my power and ability as an aspiring politician home to ensure that the rights of all ethnic groups in Romania are fully respected, and I truly and wholeheartedly hope that one day our two countries will learn the art of compromise and reconciliation, based on the post-World War 2 Franco-German model of deep cooperation and brotherly relations in a broader European Union. Nagyon szeretek a magyarokat, a magyar kultúrátokat és a magyar nyelveteket, és remélem a jövőben minden jobb, békés és barátságos két országunk között az EU-ban lesz! Éljen a román-magyar egység! 🇭🇺❤️🇷🇴
But it was a bad solution. In one case Hungary is whole, minorities have no problem at all. Maybe 54% of the population had a little bit more rights in romania, the other solution. But think of the fact that romanians migrated to hungary for a better life from romania and they found it. The other solution was realized. 46% of the population was brutally oppressed for 100 years but at least 70 years. Maybe 10 million people since then. Their schools were closed, their lands, properties, money, industries, banks were stolen, their religion and language was persecuted. They were fired from their workplace. Just in the first year 150k hungarians fled to hungary. Years later, a decade later many hungarians still didnt have any citizenship. 10 000s lived in hungarian railway stations later. Many of them were killed. There were death camps until the 60s like the valley of death. Hungarians were imprisoned, relocated to old romania, hungarian language was banned everywhere. Hungarian villages were destroyed even in the 80s. Etc. In their own 1000 years old land by the immigrants. Germans were killed and almost all of them were sent or sold to Germany. The economy of the area was partitioned. The railway, the roads, everything was partitioned. People became very poor while hungary improved before 1918. Imagine this case in the US. Mexican immigrants became majority in some states, Mexico annexes them and this happens with the americans... who thinks its good is not normal.
Citeste ce a scris nagy asta. Cum gandesti tu si cum gandesc ei! Frate, esti naiv. Cu astia care cred ca sunt o rasa superioara nu ai cum sa faci reconciliere pe model franco-german. Dar probabil asta e doar un extremist si gresesc eu.
@@timeanagy8495 Wich immigrants? Romanian population in Transylvania is undoubtedly present since the 13th century. That's more almost one millenium of documented (!) Romanian presence there.10 million people? Which 54%, where, who? There were never 10 million Hungarians in Romania, not even if we calucalate all people that lived there and already died since 1919. Banat didn't have a Hungarian majority ever in its long history, Syrmia, Croatia and Slavonia either. Death camps? Please, provide some information about your sources. There were death camps in communist Romania, but there were also Romanians, Serbs, Germans and all the other ethnicities there. Comparison with US and Mexico is silly and offensive. Germans had actually the very best treatment in the Romanian state in comparison to Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia or even socialist Hungary. There were no camps for Germans after WW II, but Romanians couldn't have stoped the SOVIET deportations in Gulags. Economy... Well, I invite you to visit Romania and compare Nyíregyháza to Oradea (Nagyvárad) or Timișoara (Temesvár) to Szeged. I'm sure, that you wouldn't be able to see so many differences... Kudos to Hungary for the maintenance of its railway network, that is correct. Minority rights... Well, in Romania, I agree, it should and could be better, but for exaple in Serbia or Croatia, you can even get your national ID, driver's licence and other documents bilingual - in their respective national and in Hungarian language. Romania offers free state academic education in Hungarian! The Hungarian state, more than 100 years after Tianon, doesn't provide such rights. No, unfortunately (and I say this as a person, who is nostalgic about the Austro-Hungarian Empire), Trianon was the best solution possible at that very moment.
@@necanecameca I am just answering you the immigrant question before reading the rest of your comment. I think he meant that those people who are Romanians, but not native on the lands with diverse population. The same happened in Vojvodina. The native Serbs-Hungarians lived "happily" together just like the native Romanians-Hungarians. After their equivalent of "Magyarization" happened, many people from outside these regions were arriving, making the percentage of Hungarian population less dense. Those might be the "immigrants" who he mentioned. People who were not aware of the local customs, and were even mad that there are other nationalities living there. This mentality is still observable in current Serbia, but the situation has improved a lot in the past decades.
@@necanecameca romanians are an immigrant minority for the hungarians. Most of them migrated after 16-1700 but hungary is much older. Btw its not equal when immigrants have to speak the language, and when immigrants or others steal a land and native people have to speak their language. Many people dont understand why many hungarians cant speak the language in romania or ukraine... because they always lived there in hungary, the occupation is not their fault, they didnt move to another country like the romanians. Trianon as the best solution? In hungary nobody was killed, robbed, discriminated, expelled, etc. Minorities had no problem. Romania is not better for romanians then hungary. In the other case almost 50% of the people were oppressed, persecuted, expelled, robbed, relocated, sold, killed, etc. People lost their work, their land, money, house, etc. 10 000s of people lived in railway stations in wagons in hungary. 150k people fled in the first year. Schools were closed. Romanians killed ca. 5k people in the war in 1919 and looted everything from hungary throughout a year. People suffered. They killed people in every town. 10 000s of people were killed after it. Villages, houses, towns, the economy , railway lines, families were cut in half by the border. Yes, there were many villages cut in half. People couldnt travel to hungary and vice versa. Nowadays ca. 5 million germans and hungarians should live in Transylvania, the germans totally disappeared. It was just Transylvania. 1 million people wete killed just in Yugoslavia. The whole wwii originates from these treaties. They couldnt create worse treaties. Not often loses a country 2/3 part of itself.
Bosniak and Bosnian are not the same. It`s not only Bosniak diaspora when you talk about Bosnia at 0:59 , but also Serbian and Croatian. About 50% of Bosnian population is comprised of Serbs and Croats, and 50% of Bosniaks.
I second this. Bosnians are just Muslim Serbs. The identity didn’t exist during the Slavic invasions but came about after ottoman occupation and the forced conversions of Catholic Serbs and Croats
@@fortyan roughly 30-35% Serbs, 15-20% Croats, 50-55% Bosniaks, depending on sources. Because of huge diaspora (every second native Bosnian is not living in Bosnia), and because Bosnian Serbs in diaspora count themselves as Serbian diaspora (same for Croats-Croatian), it is realy hard to give precise numbers.
@@Da__goat Nope. Bosniaks are separate and distinctive ethnic group, based on their religion (Islam). Although they are very similar to Serbs and Croats, and that the national idea of Bosniaks is quiet young compared to Serbian and Croatian one, they have their own distinction, and most important, over 2mil. people identify themselves as Bosniaks. Yet, it is hard to deny that Bosniaks are descendants of medieval Christian inhabitants of Bosnia (and other Balkan regions, many of them migrated from modern day Croatia in 17th and modern day Serbia in 19th century), both Roman Catholic and Orthodox ones who converted to Islam (mostly opportunistic as Christians has to pay aditional taxes in Ottoman Empire, but also because of ideological and religious reasons, and because of forced islamisation). And you won`t be wrong if that medieval Bosnians call Serbs or Croats, but be aware that it`s way before the birth of national ideas in 19th century. Also, modern day Bosnia and Herzegovina is product of Tito`s Yugoslavia, and historical and ethnic borders are way different.
Everybody expects Romanians and Hungarians to have terrible relations, meanwhile me, a Romanian, is out drinking every weekend with my Hungarian best friend from Romania
Whilst growing up one of our cats was named Miklós after him 👊 my old man was an ethnic Hungarian from Kolozsvár. Alhough I consider my nationality to be British I am immensely proud to be half Hungarian.
Can't wait for Hungarian Nationalist to comment "Slovakia, Translvania, Vojvodina is Hungary!" As a Slovak, i understand Southern Slovakia, but if you want the rest of Slovakia, well that might be too far.
Hey what is the general opinion on such a thing there? I have been to Hungarians in Slovakia a lot of times and they said that in the villages with a majority Hungarian population I can speak Hungarian (to my friends) but I should avoid it in Kosiće / Kassa because they would look mad at me. Is this true or just some racist biases? (I don't know which part are you from but just how do Slovaks view Hungarians?)
@@matyasfukk3270 I think we view them sorta neutrally, never really though about asking that to any other Slovak. Tho there might be some Nationalist Slovaks.
Hungarian speaking here. I honestly don't understand why so many of us are still obsessed with returning to the old kingdom specifically. The old austrian empire was already too dysfunctional with it's multitude of ethnicities as it was. That would not change today. If we Really wanted to bring back the old borders, that state should not be called Hungary. It should be something like the "carpathian federation" or something similar, with all the different language areas given statehood and full representation. Otherwise, everything will descend back into chaos and rebellion. But then again, looking at Yugoslavia's case, i'm not too positive on such a state doing it's job properly. Maybe some peoples here just need to realise that we can't win the past back anymore. This is no longer the middle ages where which king or lord you serve determines which country you belong to.
Quem também tinha uma população amplamente dispersa eram os alemães! Alem da Alemanha, Austria e Suiça, haviam alemães na França, Romenia, Polonia, Ucrania e até na região russa do Volga e possuiam uma república soviética autônoma! A situação mudou após a segunda guerra mundial!
A Europa mudou muito no século XX. A Europa de hoje, então, seria irreconhecível para um europeu que estivesse vivo 100 anos atrás. É, e sempre foi, um continente muito dinâmico, em constante mudança.
I feel your pain, but please note the order of magnitude difference between territories lost (in terms of ethnic population) by Austria compared to Hungary. Not to mention that Austria got compensated (for S-Tirol) with an entire new Bundesland taken FROM HUNGARY. Go figure.
As a Hungarian I think, that the Treaty of Trianon should've been more fair, mainly because this whole thing brought a lot of suffering for both sides. However I also think, that changing it back today would create just as many problems. Treating each other fairly, respecting each other's culture and language and try to find a way to live peacefully together - I think, that's the way forward.
It's also not really enforced, so most Hungarians and even a lot of Carpathian Ukrainians (Rusyns) applied for Hungarian citizenship, as it grants them free movement and the right to work anywhere within the EU.
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sfaxx how many of zelensky ministers got dual citizenship you full of it dude
The Treaties that ended WW I was collectively known as The Paris Peace Conference 18th January 1919 to the 21st January 1920. The five Central Powers signed their separate treaties with the Allies at various locations in and around Paris. 1) Germany signed at Versailles on 28th June 1919. 2) Austria signed at Saint-Germain-en-Laye on 10th September 1919. 3) Bulgaria signed at Nueilly-sur-Seine on 27th November 1919. 4) Hungary signed at Trianon on 4th June 1920. 5) Turkey signed at Sevres on 10th August 1920. However there was so much resistance to the Treaty of Sevres in Turkey itself. Which was coupled with the fact that the Allies were unable/unwilling to impose the Treaty by military intervention meant that a second revised Treaty between the Allies and Turkey was required. This revised Treaty being signed at Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24th July 1924. The Treaty of Trianon was in many ways the harshest of the Treaties. Hungary lost over 70% of it's pre war territory (down from 325,408 Square Km to 92,962 Square Km) Hungary was also the only former Central Power signatory at the Paris Peace Conference to lose territory to another former Central Power signatory. As most of the Burgenland (with only Sopron remaining in Hungary following a plebiscite) was ceded to Austria. This was due to the area being largely German speaking.
A little addition: The decrease of the population was also caused by the Ottomans and later the revolution of 1848-49 as the country was attacked by 6 nations at the same time, 7 if we include Russia that joined the Habsurg's side later
A true success story, eh? 😆 Anyway, good video. To my ear it's always strange to hear 'Magyar' as opposed to 'Hungarian', since they literally mean the exact same thing ('magyar' means 'Hungarian' in Hungarian). But I understand the distinction in the historic context. About Trianon, let me start by saying I hate the revisionism that's being supported by some elements in the country, and I think it's about time people moved on and make the best of what we've got (oh they're gonna love this). Some of this 'trauma' stays because it wasn't properly analysed and honest truths were never really spoken (kinda like Japan in WWII). Our involvement is undeniable in this. However, I will say that objectively, Trianon was in fact harsh and it could've been more 'fair', if you want to use that word for a losing country. But then again, our leaders at the time weren't exactly on top of their lobbying efforts either. Oh well. I maintain my belief that the vast majority of my countrymen don't want anything to do with restoration of any kind and instead want a lasting good relation with our neighbors - which, despite everything, we largely still have right now. And with that, let the abuse begin. 😂
Every Hungarian from Hungary I've met has revisionist beliefs. And they don't even hide it. The szekelies I live with are chill tho. I don't get how the "mainland" Hungarians can be openly extremist and the ones out of the border can be so humane and reasonable.
@@horiabalaban7968 you're probably in wrong company then. Feeling a 'nostalgia', while I agree it doesn't help anybody today, isn't the same as 'let's go get Transylvania back'. Talk about barking dogs. In your next paragraph you call them extremists (rightly so), so by definiton they aren't the majority. They szekelys are anything but chill, no offense. 99.9 percent of them are staunch supporters of the current government, who uses them to their political ends. What does that tell you?
@@dddaddy it tells me that you don't live in Transylvania. I grew up w szekelies and still have Szekely friends. I doubt that that 99.9 percent of them support the Hungarian government when I've met no one that does it. With openly extremists I meant those who make "let's go get Transylvania back" their personality when they find out I'm Romanian. I would label anybody who votes for Orban an extremist. Hungarian majority keeps voting him. They don't hate him that much to get rid of him.
@@horiabalaban7968 you can doubt all day long, it's an unfortunate fact. I don't need to live there to know, we can see that election after election, especially since they got voting rights, which I vehemently oppose. Maybe the '99.9' is over the top, but you get the point. It is whatever it is, but let's not be hypocritical about it. I feel bad about your experiences, and that has to be open provocation, but really, the silent majority wouldn't even think of doing that.
If all Hungarians thought like you, Hungarians would be seen by the neighboring peoples, not as braggarts who cannot be satisfied. Even if he had an even bigger territory, he would have done the same.
Video is spot on. I saw the video though some mainstream media and I thought that Trianon would be completely left out of the picture. You said very good that France had huge impact of the partition of Hungary. France is the main player, which wanted this kind of scenario. Another one, which wanted this was Czechia. First it was Tomas Masaryk who was in close ties with the french about the czech-hungarian question. Then, in the 30s, before WW2 Edvard Benes was the one who was greatly critisizing Hungary in favor of Czechia, knowing that France would welcome that with open arms.
When the Turks left the Habsburg used the political and power vacum and took over Hungary. It was the Habsburgs who really ruled. Also wasnt fair how the ww1 ended for us Hungarians. Means deciding the borders without actually knowing the different populations there. On the other side, yes, those territories where not Hungarians lived, was a valid decision to get them. And please dont forget that we share this planet, its not ours, so lets stay good neighbours and be happy for the fact that Europe is so colorful.
From Orava, the Poles received land in exchange for Tešín (this was inhabited by Poles), but in the county of Szepes there were lands that had been under Polish rule in the past.
There were some minimal deportations to my knowledge. From Bratislava, but that was more against the German majority living there and a minor one after WW2. It was a "population-swap" officially but seeing how long the Benes dictat was part of the Czechoslovakian and later Slovakian constitution I don't think there was much of a choice for the Hungarians.
Hungary not just lost their people and territories but rich mines, skiable mountains and contact to the Mediterrian sea (tourist and transport places), road network, etc. That was a cruel decision back in time while Hungary wanted to separate from Austria in 1848-49 who was one of the real actor in the first ww.
They couldn’t lose countries that were never Hungary! Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Romania, Slovenia, and others were its own countries and were taken over by Hungary. Let people be happy that they are finally free.
Yeah it was unfair, sure, but it doesn't really matter now. I once crossed the hungarian-slovakian border without even noticing and I'm palanning on going to a hungarian speaking university in Romania. We're learning to live alongide eachother in peace. It's a process for sure, but we're getting there.🙂
It may not matter that much anymore with the blurring of national borders thanks to the EU, but deep down it is still a problem. These were Hungarian lands, and after Trianon the little entente got more than they deserved out of Hungary. Many of us were separated from the country because of it and it wasn’t until 80 years later that they even got the right to cross the border freely. Trianon needs to be revised.
@@Lucas_FiczSo you would rather choose violance, the spilling of the blood of you're beloved brothers and sisters in a war to gain back lands and redraw borders when you could work with you're neighbours to make thoes borders meaningless in the first place? If you want hungarians over the border to live better, to be able to live as hungarians, for their kids to grow up in peace without a drunk romanian calling them dirty bozgors and beating them up, you should advocate for unity and peace. Violance and hate goes both ways. We have to let go so that they can too.
When Wilson was in Paris for the Peace treaty, Ho Chi Minh was was working as a cook at a Chinese restaurant, sent a letter to the American president asking that the US acknowledged Vietnam’s independence. He was ignored and then turned into Communism after realising the West’s hypocrisy. Such a hilarious episode and such a lost opportunity
I'm a little confused by the Portugal reference in the beginning. If referencing a countries population it should be by citizens right? Not just heritage? So I assume you're saying that the Portuguese people in France Luxembourg and Switzerland your referencing still hold Portuguese citizenship. This Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia, do they hold Hungarian citizenship? Also back to the Portugal reference I think it should be taken into account if they have plans to go back to Portugal, like if it's temporary? Because if they're moving to France to live and work and intend to stay there then they no longer contribute to Portuguese population whereas if they have like a 5 or 10 year plan to work there then return to Portugal then yes they are still a part of the population
Keep in mind: Hungary didn't really have a chance to "chose" their allies. In the second world war Hungary was forced to help Germany (among many other nations), although wanted to stay neutral. The leader of Hungary at the time was even threatened that germany would kill his kidnapped son if they chose otherwise.
It's even more complicated than that. If Hungary stayed alone in WW2, there would be no more Hungary. So Hungary had to ally with Germany again, as the allied powers, mainly France caused the massacre of Hungary in Trianon, and all our neighbors were allied with them.
@@bjardin France needed to protect themselves from Germany after the huge massacres in WW1. So the natural reaction was to split Central Europe. Besides Hungarians were absolutely ok with ruling other nations but if some Hungarians are ruled by someone else then they call it the biggest disaster ever. Isn't that a hypocrisy?
@@miroslavdusin4325 Stop looking at history from 21st century approach. Hungary always have been a multicultural state, so us ruling other nations makes no sense, we did not rule other nations, those territories and cultures were integrated parts of the Historical Hungarian Kingdom.
@@miroslavdusin4325 Though making a Peace Treaty signed by 48 states on the winner side and only 1 on the looser one, and forcing a country to give away 1000 years old borders, its a political and historical massacre and a rape, one of the biggest injustice in history ever. Forcing millions of Hungarians to the surrounding countries without rights, under oppression, after being there for more then 1000 years ... That is not comparable with anything you said previously.
Hungarians have a special way of thinking about foreign policy...in the first world war they believed that communism would restore their empire...in ww2 they believed that Nazi Germany would and they felt compelled by them to fight until total destruction ...now Orban is playing his card with Russia against NATO and the EU ....each time they were humiliated and destroyed ...so intelligent people never invent even though the results of the equation are the same ...but they should understand something .... if you buy weapons from those who challenge them to fight, you have already lost... with Swedish planes and German weaponry to overthrow NATO and the EU... it is the death of reason..
In order to understand who the real Hungarians were, it is important to know the real data about the population of the Carpathian Basin and the military people of Árpád! I quote from scientific publications of recent years, from the website of the Hungarian Research Institute: "The presence of the ancestors of today's Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin has been continuous for thousands of years" "A new database of 16,000 mitogenomes of 172 ancient and living populations has been created and investigated their connection system based on artificial intelligence method. The new algorithm recognizes all haplogroup correlations, regardless of the time of the process behind the correlation. A new methodological article (1) has been published in the journal Molecular Genetics and Genomics by the researchers of the Archaeogenetic Research Center of the Hungarian Research Institute, the Department of Genetics of the University of Szeged, the Institute of Technical Physics and Materials Science." "The Carpathian Basin is an unbreakable unit / Applying the method to the investigation of the former and present-day populations of the Carpathian Basin, the authors found that the vast majority of the present-day population is from a Copper Age (4500 BC-2800 BC) - Bronze Age (2800 BC-700 BC) can be traced back to a basic population, while immigration from the eastern steppe region seems to have had a smaller genetic impact on the population in the tenth-eleventh centuries." By analyzing the contemporary data and comparing it with the latest archaeological and archaeogenetic data, it is increasingly clear that the Magyars were the military tribes that came with Árpád, who, according to the chronicles, returned to their Scythian-Hun heritage in the Carpathian basin, where the "Hungarians" and "Szeklers" awaited them! Historians ignore the fact that the names Ungarus and Hungarorum appear as early as the 8th century sources, which are all about the Hungarians or Ungarians of the Carpathian Basin, such as in 760: Via Ungarorum, or in the 790s Paulus For Diaconus: the name form Ungarus. Or Liutprand in the epitaph of a Lombard king, in the Annales Rotomagenses; In Annales Gemmeticenses and Annales Uticenses in 793: regnum Hungarorum/Karolus rex vastat. Or what Jordanes wrote in his book "Getica" in the 6th century, that "the Hunugors, who are also called Sabers, lived in Scythia and Dacia as well." It logically follows from this that even under the Huns and Avars there were people who called themselves Hungarians or Ungarians, but the European peoples often wrote their names in a distorted form, such as: Ungros - Ungarer - Ungrare - Uher - Unkăr - Venger - Hoongar - Hongrois and so on. Only the eastern peoples and two or three neighboring peoples called us Magyars later, such as the Arabs: Madjar, the Turkmen: Mazsar, the Tatars: Madjar, the Uzbeks: Mojar, the Tajiks: Maçor, the Russians : Madьár - Magyar, and they are more Slavic neighbors than Serbs: Мађар, Slovaks: Maďar and Slovenes: Madžar. So the Hungarians were the original people here in the Carpathian Basin and it was the militarily strong Magyars who organized the Hungarian statehood! Dr. Fehér Bence, historian and classical philologist at the Institute of Hungarian Studies, came to the conclusion that the Hungarian language was spoken in the Carpathian Basin at the latest in the so-called "Avar"age, and since the specific runic writing on these relics were written in Old Hungarian, and these are perfectly similar to the Szekler - Hungarian runic writing, which is why these writings were named Carpathian basin runic writing. But such finds with similar runic texts have not been found anywhere to the east, neither among the finds of the Magyars who came with Árpád, nor among the Huns, nor even among the runic inscriptions of the Far East! On the contrary, they were found in the Carpathian basin from the Cimmerian and Scythian eras, or in the Maros valley, ancient clay tablets and discs with the signs of the Szekler-Hungarian runic script were found in several places! But elsewhere in the Carpathian basin, such short writings engraved in stone thousands of years old have been found, as well as many ancient motifs that are still used in Hungarian folk art today! So when the geneticists say that all archegenetic and population genetics research proves that the majority of Hungarians are of Carpathian origin, then these results that I wrote about all prove that the basic Hungarian population and the Hungarian language were formed here in the middle of Europe! And if that's not enough, there are the river names mentioned since ancient times, which can only be interpreted in Hungarian, especially in the eastern half of the Carpathian Basin. Because it cannot be a coincidence that only here in the Carpathian basin have the most ancient river names survived to this day, most of which can only be interpreted in Hungarian, such as Tisia - Tisza, Maris - Maros, Samum - Szamos, Crisos - Körös, Alutus - Alot - Olt, Tamis - Temes rivers name! But these river names have been written down and that is why we have known them since ancient times, except that it seems more and more that the other geographical names of Hungarian origin are also much older from the Carpathian basin than what the toponym researchers thought. Because even in the first documents written in Latin, place names and geographical names of Hungarian origin appear in more than 80 percent, but these are probably names from much earlier than researchers thought for a long time! An example from the 8th century, where it is written about Charlemagne for a new settlement between Sarwar and Heimburg". But in order to understand this, you must first know Hungarian, and if you already know the language well, then maybe look for these data, which the anti-Hungarian historians hide even from the Hungarians! If you look at the wiki dictionary, the word Sár - mud, is an ancient Hungarian word. The WikiDictionary says: Origin: sár < Old Hungarian: sár < Proto-Hungarian: savár, csér (mud) < Dravidian: seru, siru (mud, swamp). And then for: Vár - castle, if you type the origin of the word vár into Google, the WikiDictionary says:Origin [vár < Old Hungarian: vár < Proto-Hungarian: vár, várta (castle, guard place) < urr, ur (city) < Dravidian: ur (castle, city, estate) < Sanskrit: oru (place). If one understands these data, she can see that if Hungarian speakers had not been the majority in the Carpathian basin for thousands of years until the 19th century, then by now the majority of the population would have already been Germanized or Slavicized, and they might have remained Turkic speaking groups too! This is why the American anthropologist and cryptologist Grover Sanders Krantz was right, who came to the following conclusion in her book named "Geographical Development of European Languages" (New York, NY: Peter Lang Publishing, 1988. ISBN 978-0-8204-0800-2): "...so the Greek language was formed in its current location in 6500 BC, and the Celtic language in Ireland in 3500 BC. The antiquity of the Hungarian language in the Carpathian basin is similarly surprising, I find that its origins go back to the Mesolithic, preceding the Stone Age." So the ancestors of the Hungarians have lived here for thousands of years, where the Danube and the Tisa flow, and the lying historians and politicians try to hide this from the Romanians, because then the big lie about Daco-Romanian continuity will be revealed!
Were the people living inside what is now Hungary, in 1910, 100.00% ethnic Hungarian or were there, also, incidentally, some ethnic Romanians, Slovaks, Austrians and so on?
Yes absolutley there were.There was a lot of what were called "population exchanges" that basically meant deportion of not hungarians on one and deportion of hungarians on the other side. Most were actually german, but most of them were deported after wwII.
There was no border for centuries, so there were naturally many ethnic Slovaks living south of the current border, just as there were many ethnic Magyars living north of the current border. The placement of that border was largely based on trying to minimize both "lost" groups. Also, not the city itself but the countryside around Budapešť had tens of thousands of ethnic Slovak residents. Finally, there were areas in the south where substantial numbers of ethnic Slovaks and Rusyns had migrated in the 1700s in organized groups to repopulate the territory left empty once the Ottoman Turks were driven out by the Austrians. Some of the descendants of these Slavic people still retain their language and ethnic traditions and identity. But most have been assimilated over the years.
One thing you probably missed (I don't blame you it is pretty obscure) is the Rákóczi Szövetség (Rákóczi Alliance). It's an organisation that helps Hungarians living in neighboring countries. They help Hungarians in Kárpátalja (Zakarpattia, AKA:Carpathian Ruthenia, AKA:Transcarpathia) flee from getting drafted into the Ukranian army. But they also support them in Erdély (AKA:Transylvania), Felvidék (AKA:Slovakia) and in Délvidék (AKA:Vojvodina).
Hungary goverment still trying to influence these people living there, by investing in people with Hungary ancestors, they support theyr bussiness outside of Hungary, as of now there are atleast one football first league club, each of these football clubs in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia (all, exept Austria), which is being owned by Hungarians or they related.
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As long as I know, why we (Slovakia) got such a big part of land with ethnical Hungarians was - because of the infrastructure. Old Hungarian kingdom made Budapest a centre of the kingdom, so all the roads and railways went from borders to the Budapest. So if the Trianon threaty wouldn't give us this land, we wouldn't have continuous connection between west and east. And to build new roads and railways, after so many problems after finished war - would take astronomical costs. Especially, when 80% of Slovakia is covered by mountains. Yes, I (as Slovak) also think, it was not fair to Hungarians to draw borders between and split Hungarian nation. But on the other hand, Hungarians were in that time considered very agresive and dangerous (because of aliance with Germany and very brutal Magaryzation programs). I guess, if it would happend today, Hungary would get whole territory, where are living ethnical Hungarians. Dispite of all extrem nationalists on both sides of the border, I wish just a peaceful and respectsful relationships with the Hungarians (as well as with all other nations and minorities). If we will have good relationships, we can prosper all 👍 Greetings to my Hungarian friends 😉👍
Hungarian here. 90% of Hungarians think that taking away so much territory was very unfair and exaggerated (-67%), but 90% of Hungarians also think that it should be left as it is for the sake of peace. Of course, there are extremists in every country who can be presented in the media in neighbouring countries, making it seem as if the majority of Hungarians are like them. But the vast majority think that, although this was unfair, if the Hungarians are treated well by the surrounding countries, then in the end this is not such a serious issue within the European Union. There is good relations between ordinary people in these regions. The conflicts are rare. Perhaps only in Transylvania would an autonomous Hungarian territory be justified, because there are a large number (1 million) of Hungarians living in a block. But autonomy is all nothing more is necessary. Unfortunately, the current Hungarian mafia government is trying to get extremist votes and incite people against each other, but most Hungarians don't like this troublemaking.
@@paltomori4625 Are you some Russian propagandist troublemaker who is trying to make tense in Europe? Germany is not a great power at all :) China would change borders in Europe? LOL :)) But in the EU, the non of the country wants to change borders any more. The EU countries suffered a lot in the two world wars and everyone realised (even the Germans and the Frech) anything is beter than war. In the EU anyone can travel freely, anyone work anywhere, can buy a house in any other EU country. Political borders don't have much significance in the EU so there wouldn't be sense to change them.
@@Gil-games Then you are in the 10%. Why shouldn't be left as it is? Isn't it the same in the 21th century in the EU? Europe is going to a confederation because separated EU countries are very weak alone besides USA and China. Even the weight of Germany and France is a joke compared to the USA and China. But a confeederatve EU with a common foreign policy, common, powerful army, common tax and social policy that is something on the world map. A third superpower in the world that can have a voice at the big table. Moreover since Russia attacked Ukraine it turned out Europe lived in an illusion. Russia is a military threat and it can make irrational steps. A powerful common army has become vital.
@@paltomori4625 Germany is not a great power. :)) Would China change borders in Eurpe? LOL :))) The USA doesn't want trouble in Europe as well. And non of the EU coutries wants to change borders. Since you are a Hungarian let me recommend to you an excellent old Hungarian drama film set during the Second World War, "Az ötödik pecsét" , in which the wise innkeeper says: "No interest is worth fighting a war, no matter as what that interest may be presented." Russian hasn't learned it yet.
There are like 10 million Hungarians with a language that sounds like nothing between it's neighbors and most likely will slowly disappear. The future of Hungary does not look great.
3 things to make it more precise, an otherwise objective and reasonably factual video. 1, the territories were not lost at war to these 3 states because: after the armistice of Padova on the 3rd of November with the Italians and the Belgrade convention of the 7th of November with the French, the Austro-Hungarian, respectively Hungarian army and administration was asked to retreat in a sign of goodwill...and fair treatment at the forthcoming peace conference, which was a French lie and deceit, such a shame! The Serbian and Romanian armies were defeated totally previously, the Serbians were coming back from Corfu !! and the Romanians signed a peace treaty in May 1918 in Bucharest. They swapped their government quickly and declared war on French insistence on the 10th of November again....Czechoslovakia didn t existed at that time.... The war ensued in deep despair after this stupid and naive Hungarian prime minister who signed the Belgrade convention resigned, witnessing that he let half of the country being occupied by the enemy without a single shot !! Some former prisoners of war returning from Russia called Lenin-boys declared the Hungarian soviet republic and later formed a Red Army. They beated the Czechs but the French lied again, convincing them to retreat from the so called Slovakia and in exchange they would order the Romanians to retreat as well from Transylvania... This was a deceit again, just to suppress socialism, so the army became demoralized and disorganized in the conditions of a deep societal divide between the whites and the reds , so the Romanian kingdom's army commanded by the French, the Serbian royal army and the Czechoslovak legions commanded by the italian officers went deep inside the country and the Romanians marched finally into Budapest in aug 1919 and even more west to Gyor, looting everything. The Austrians were promised Hungarian lands because they wanted to join Germany and that was unacceptable for the French---an Austrian corporal made it to happen anyway 20 years later... The Romanians wanted even more, up to the Tisza river, the Serbians up to the Balaton lake and the Czech as well. In their imperialistic ambition they wanted to divide Hungary totally... The antanté forced Hungary to set up a government recognized by them the British choose admiral Horthy, who cannot become a communist being an army officer. He had to sign the peace treaty whatever it takes, otherwise the Antanté threatened to partition Hungary totally.... The Hungarian delegation was not allowed to take part in any border discussions it was forced to sign so Trianon was a dictate and therefore void ab ovo...The Hungarians asked for plebiscite in every disputed territory but this was repelled by the French... Wilson got disillusioned and left the peace conference , the US didn't sign the trianon treaty, nor the SU !!! Italian, British, American top politicians recognized later that they made a fatal mistake , Lenin called it " a peace of robbers, gangsters forced upon their defenceless victim". Aware of this Italians and British supported the revision of the treaty and acknowledged the peaceful Vienna awards in 1938 and 1940 as legitimate. Even the French recognized it and asked for forgiveness 3 times... 2, the statistics are manipulated by the conquering states, the maps also. For example, even socialist Romania had 1.75 million Hungarians, 10% of Romania's population, 36% of Transylvania's population, Slovakia had 1 million, Serbia/Vojvodina 0.5 million. In total 38% of the Hungarina population was left outside the borders... The minority population was put under persecution, colonisation, deportation and forced assimilation, so in 100 years their number halved, officially...Slovakia pursued "reslovakisation", Serbia committed genocide with 70,000 Hungarian civilian males killed in Vojvodina in 1944-45, the SU/Ukraine deported 1/2 of the Hungarian male population from Zakarpatiya to the gulags after 1944 (alongside 800,000 other Hungarians) All Hungarian towns near the border were massively colonised " to secure them" and made majority Romanian, Slovakian, Serbian, Ukrainian. 80-90% of Hungarian schools were forcefully closed, real estates sized/nationalised, numerus clausus laws were introduced to prevent to formation of Hungarian intelligentsia. The Hungarian autonomous region created by the SU was abolished by the Romanians in 1968 and ever since every peaceful attempt to reestablish it is demonized by the democratic nationalist governments... The borders were dawn such as that the remaining Hungary be left defenceless--cutting all railway lines, depriving it from rivers, mountains---not even a salt mine was left !! the borders crossed even the danube to form "bridgeheads" and served to divert the Danube and deprive the country from its main water source !! Czechoslovakia annexed even more territories after 1945, right for this purpose !!1 the border was dawn to be at 30 km from Budapest as to be in the range of the Czech cannons of that time... 80-90-95 % Hungarian towns like today's Oradea, Satu mare, Arad, Kosice, Unghorod, Munkacevo, Beregovo, Salonta,Carei, Sacuieni, Subotica, Komarno etc.... were left 10km outside of the border , by then half Hungarian half German 300 years Hungarian capital Pozsony was made Bratislava, inhabitants expelled, 400,000 Slovaks settled in, 85% Hungarian Kolozsvar, capital of Transylvania was colonised by 350,000 Romanians and made it 65, then 50,35,20 and now 16% Hungarian.... These borders are the most unjust in Europe, having a match only in colonial Africa, even the SU's inner borders were/are a fair play compared to this...
Some context kind of missing from this video on entente thinking on Hungary: 1. Hungary had a reputation, and not a good one. Hungary was notorious as one of the last places in Europe to abolish feudal land ownership, only completing the process around 1850, with the largely Hungarian land owners maintaining effective control of most of the land even outside of ethnically Hungarian land. This combined extremely poorly with both widely circulated and respected protests against Magyarization policies by minority leaders in Hungary as well as the reputation of the kingdom of Hungary as torpedoing proposals to ease ethnic tensions by granting greater autonomy or rights to other minorities. This meant Hungary was generally perceived by most of Europe as oppressive towards minorities and as impoverishing it's peoples, this sometimes took on explicitly racist tones casting the Hungarians as the oriental barbarian horde incapable of true civilization, sometimes it remained pointed at the land owning class who genuinely did not get along well with peasants, even ethnic Hungarian ones, and did often resist aspects of industrial development. 2. The maps of the area where actually kind of a problem (I think it was a french? delegate that even has a little rant about them recorded). Every country and people that had an interest in the region had extensive maps, all of which both would give them the most land, people, etc. and of course contradicted everyone else's maps. This made it very difficult to reasonable determine where lines should be drawn. Especially since running new surveys and holding plebiscites was impractical as... 3. The actual region was in chaos, violent chaos. The Hapsburg empire was not dissolved by the entente, it disintegrated under internal uprisings. The Hungarian military had started to break away from the Imperial military to focus on Hungarian interests, and it was fighting the Romanian, Czechoslovakian and Yugoslav forces. This fighting is what would ultimately be pivotal in setting the actual lines so unfavorably against Hungary. Not only where all the forces partitioning Hungary members of the entente (the Czechoslovak's had even had there legion), it was unclear if they would actually listen if the big powers told them withdraw without using military force, force that only France, who was in favor of a weak Hungary, had any willingness to provide in the region. This was capped of by a communist revolution promising to destroy the landholders, stop the territorial dissolution, and link up with the Russian bolsheviks. Given that this was not a position that featured a willingness to give up anything, the entente hated communism, and the entente had sent forces to actively fight the bolsheviks in Russia, it should not be surprising that any claim someone could take with force of arms was ultimately legitimized by Trianon. As a side note the Slovaks generally supported a Czechoslovakia. This was also generally true of the Slavic areas that joined Yugoslavia. Both where in fact generally under control of the local uprising in favor of the concepts, trying to carve back up would probably have been a bigger violation of self determination, especially given how famously well that has gone in former Yugoslavia.
@@georgesmith4768 Yes, it is the propaganda of the successor states, you may not be aware of it . Look for example at Romania where serfdom was abolished in 1907, even slavery existed--the slaves were Gypsies, mainly, then look at the whole ottoman Europe, Russia etc. Well if it was a Hungarian state for that long is normal to have the majority of its landlords Hungarian, no? Minorities were NOT suppressed---again, the Romanians had their national party in the parliament in Budapest, their churches , bishops had huge feudal estates, had nearly 3000 schools, they could use their language on every level, even in the army, so it s a very long story... 2, running plebiscites was very easy, one was held in 1921 in Sopron/Ödenburg, but none before....if it would have been held and the Hungarian delegates always asked for it---then this monstruous act wouldn't have happened or not to such a criminal extent...3, yes, it was chaos, instigated by the entente to weaken the enemy...In Russia it proved to be successful, so they tried to do the same in A-H and they succeeded with agents and so called peace propaganda !! war and peace propaganda are alternated to force regime change. Chaos for regime change and political gains is a well known recipe or scenario even nowadays, so nothing has really changed...why they didn't allow the separation of Kosovska Mitrovica? or of Catalonia, Basque country, or of Transnistria, Artsak--everyone kept quiet about the total ethnic cleansing..., Gagauzia, Palestine, Kurdistan---is a very long list ...
@@wanderlewis8552 I did try to word what I said carefully. It simply true that there where ethnic tensions in Hungary that spiraled out of control. It is also true that many of the delegates at Versailles had very poor opinions of Hungary and that many luminaries of the minority groups in Hungary where well known and regarded by much of western europe and the US. I explicitly never said that Hungary was actually actively terrible on the issues of ethnic minorities nor that any of there neighbors where exceptionally better than them (it is definitely true that Romania was impressively terrible). I was mostly pointing out that what the delegates at Versailles believed and the other extenuating circumstances, as in the video there is not any of this context and it is easy to think that the major entente powers where drawing completely arbitrary lines across and land they had only just learned anything about, which did happen to an extent in the middle east. I’ve not really looked into Magarization or the like enough to realy be confident in personally rendering judgement on such a complex issue in such unique and complex country
@@wanderlewis8552 As for the difficulty of referendums and the such, yes the entente could have run them. If they where being fair to the hungarians they probably would have, but while the borders where being drafted it would have required the major powers to militarily intervene to create enough security to credibly run them. Given that they where exaugsted from the war, didn’t like hungary, would be angering friendly states to bowster hungary and could not even rely on Hungary being more friendly in turn given the extremism, instability , and irredentism that characterized Hungarian politics at the time, it become extremely obvious why they didn’t bother. My goal was to help understanding of why the major entente powers did what they did, not say it was fair.
As whole regions, yes. But many parts of these regions were ethnically pure hungarian and only given to the neighbouring countries for geopolitical reasons: railways, mines, more farmland for Slovakia ect.
@@lharsaythere was not possibke to split regions into little enclaves and viliges and towns whwre the hungarians were the majority.most of them were not near the border. This is what happened to the germans in Hungary. Lots of then lived inside Hungary and those viliges and little regions could not be given to Austria because they were inside Hungary.
As a Hungarian living in Transylvania, I would consider it best if Transylvania were a separate country, like Switzerland. In the course of history, a similar state structure already existed, for several centuries under the name Transylvanian Principality. Its capital could be Cluj-Napoca and its official languages Romanian and Hungarian. A much more liberal and democratic country could be created than what exists in Hungary today, and the two nations could live together in much greater harmony than they do now in Romania. Bucharest exploits Transylvania's natural resources and sells them all to foreign companies. Both Hungarian and Romanian culture could flourish and mix in this country if people would forget the past grievances and finally look to the present.
In the 1920's a treaty could have been signed to exchange people. Over a 2-3 yr period the Rumanian families living on their northern border would exchange houses, farmlands, stores, etc with the Hungarians living in central Transylvania. Then the border would be adjusted. Adjusting the borders with Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia would have been very simple to do.
The majority population in Transylvania (Romanians) already decided on this topic in Alba Iulia, 1st of December 1918. Then the 3rd large population (Germans in Transylvania) aligned their position to that of Romanians and supported unification with Romania. Stop the bullsh.. pseodo-arguments. Cluj-Napoca does not have natural resources. So - under your logic, the people in Mediaș should split from Cluj and burn that gas only for themselves.
Magyarization never existed, it was only invented by the Ceausist and propagandist Romanian historians for the fools, and they did it in order to cover up the Romanianizations that really existed and are still going on today!
It’s interesting as a Hungarian that you chose the Felvidék (Lower Slovakia) flag right at the end when you mentioned Hungarian diasporic communities making flags. The first one that comes to mind are the Székelys who are a very big group within the Transylvanian diaspora itself.
I dont like how everytime there is topic about Uhorsko, people start from 896. It gives feeling there really wasnt anything before. When Magyars came, there already was Principality of Nitra, Blatnohrad (Balaton) under Koceľ possesion. Yes they conquered and assimilated the areas. Principality of Nitra was still autonomous for a bit but then was also part of Uhorsko. No I dont wanna start wars, but we were living together for so long in one Empire and from 19th century all hell broke loose. I have also one more question, is it possible that presence of Magyars in southern parts of Slovakia in 1850 could be result of Ottoman expansions? Because Hungary was really devastated in the wars and even had to swap center of power.
Great Video 😃👍 I've been on a Holiday in the South of Slovakia and we treat our Hungarian Minority really good Funfact it's weird to speak Slovak in the South of Slovakia CUZ most of the citizens are Hungarian LOL 8:37 We were not Slovaks in that time we were united in one Czechoslovakian nationality and we wanted union so that's why + they didn't want to make a weak states
I think because thanks to the war, a lot has emigrated to Hungary or further and the last census was from 2001 so it's very outdated. If I remember correctly, there should be around a 100k according to pre-war estimates.
Well, he did. He said that the most recent data was from 2001, and that because of the war it’s unclear how many are currently still there. Thus, given that all other countries pretty much are EU members and have great statistics to draw from the same isn’t true for Ukraine.
@@matyasfukk3270 2001 number is 151k in Zakarpattia, most of them in villages (the biggest "hungarian" city is only 50% of 20k population; regional centre Uzhgorod with 100k had only 7% hungarians). And since villages were depopulationg across the whole country for 20 years, it's safe to assume that emigration to Hungary was huge. And in February thousands of men immediately rushed to the nearby border to avoid getting drafted. And poll from 2023 showed that only 1% of Uzhgorod inhabitans speak hungarian today. I've seen estimation of 70-80k hungarians left in Ukraine, seems accurate.
Not totally true data. Harghita County, Mures and Covasna are not full of hungarians, as you show on. Plus, where do we mention the mixed ones, like me, for example? Are Romanians or Hungarians? History, is not liable anymore, because you can' t argue with someone who's always right. Instead of believe that we are beter one from another, relied on random facts (race, nation, eye color, etc), we better prove that we're not in vain in this Life. I'm sick of fake mesianic stories from people who have no principles. Most of people who coment here are just like that. In fact, you can't have Transylvania, is too much for one person😅, but you can buy a home here, learn in your language, marry yourself, make kids, hungarian or romanians ones, or' doesn't matter, but do something, not arguing like pussies. Thank you! Have a great life, real one, not in the Past!
LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCH YOUR VIDEO ABOUT MAGYARIZATION. Magyarization was perceived by other ethnic groups, such as the Romanians, Slovaks, Ruthenians (Rusyns), Croats, Serbs, and others, as aggression or active discrimination, especially in areas where they formed the majority of the population. The radical liberal revolutionary Lajos Kossuth advocated for rapid Magyarization, pleading in the early 1840s in the newspaper Pesti Hírlap, "Let us hurry, let us hurry to Magyarize the Croats, the Romanians, and the Saxons, for otherwise we shall perish." Kossuth stressed that Hungarian had to be the exclusive language in public life, writing in 1842 that "in one country it is impossible to speak in a hundred different languages. There must be one language, and in Hungary, this must be Hungarian. The Hungarian national awakening had the lasting effect of triggering similar national revivals among the Slovak, Romanian, Serbian, and Croatian minorities in Hungary and Transylvania, who felt threatened by both German and Hungarian cultural hegemony. These revivals would blossom into nationalist movements in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries and contribute to Austria-Hungary's collapse in 1918... For a long time, the number of non-Hungarians that lived in the Kingdom of Hungary was much larger than the number of ethnic Hungarians. According to the 1787 data, the population of the Kingdom of Hungary numbered 2,322,000 Hungarians (29%) and 5,681,000 non-Hungarians (71%). In 1809, the population numbered 3,000,000 Hungarians (30%) and 7,000,000 non-Hungarians (70%). An increasingly intense Magyarization policy was implemented after 1867... "The Hungarian secondary school is like a huge machine, at one end of which the Slovak youths are thrown in by the hundreds, and at the other end of which they come out as Magyars." - Béla Grünwald, adviser to Count Kálmán Tisza, Hungarian prime minister from 1875 to 1890 (Source: Wikipedia)
Fake history. Its incredible that magyarization is in Wikipédia. Kossuth was a liberal politician... it says a lot what things the neighbours lie about hungary. They say its a sin when a state has one official language... while this is totally normál. It hurts them that hungarians number kept growing after the turkish rule ended and immigrants started to assimilate.
@@timeanagy8495 In the Wikiedia, there are also the sources of the historical facts unlike such YT videos like this one. I don´t see any source of information below this video.
@@katarinakatarinova1306 yeah but these quotes are stupid. Maybe somebody said that but its misunderstood or was just a statement, not an act. For instance hunfarians fought actually for their language against german, the official language was latin in 1842. To present it like it was about magyarization is a lie.
Its easy, in 9th century the Hungarians came and conquered these lands and their original inhabitants by power. In 20th century they have lost several wars and lost their rule over these territories. If there was nothing wrong with being a minority in a multi-ethnic state during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, surely there is nothing wrong with being an ethnic minority in an independent neighboring states. F.E., Slovak Hungarians get special status and treatment including own Hungarian media, schools and so on, in order to allow them to preserve their ethnic identity. That is more than many nationalities were offered during some nine centuries of the Hungarian kingdom. I like and respect Hungarians, their culture and habits, but when it comes to Trianon... just get over it, you have been down the nationalism road several times and it has never served you well.
There are some little differencies... it was really not a problem in Hungary, many minorities lived in peace. Who migrated into the country, the country was almost 100 percent hungarian before the mongol invasion and most of the minorities migrated after 16-1700. But there was problem in the New states. Minorities were oppressed, killed, terrorized. The slovak constitution still declares that the hungarian minorities have absolutely no humán rights because they have collective sins. In yugoslavia more than 1 million people were, you know, killed, in death camps or other places, it was even worse than a death camp in Poland... romania also had death camps after wwii. 100 000s of minorities were deported from slovakia, 3 million from czechia. It was a little bad, you know.
@@timeanagy8495 Are you lying on purpose or because of a failure in scholar system? How could have been this area "100 percent Hungarian" if the Slavic and Germanic population has been living there for centuries before the Magyars came, let alone the Mongols 😁 Or do you imagine the Magyar tribes came to an completely empty area or they just killed every single person upon their arival to the Central Europe? Also, the Slovak constitution doesn't name or mention Hungarians AT ALL, and as to the minorites in general (including the Hungarian one) it guarantees rights such as no one shall be discriminated against based on their belonging to any ethnic minority or ethnic group and several other rights such as right of education in their language or to use their language in official communication. Just google Articles 33 and 34 of Slovak constitution if you have any doubts. God, can you even imagine any country being able to join the EU with a constitution like you descibed?
@@MichalBratyes, it happend with czechia and slovakia, it was a problem that their constitution, the Benes decrees well do not fit too much into the eu's laws, it includes that germans and hungarians have no rights (slovakians should give back the properties to the hungarians withou it but of course they wouldnt do that like the romanians do). The avars lived here before the hungarians, for 250 years, they and other people assimilated to the hungarians. It was ca. 350 years between 900 and the mongol invasion, and 650 years to the turkish era... i think it is enough for assimilation... and assimilation was much faster in that time
@@timeanagy8495 You said that "the Slovak constitution declares Hungarians as people without any human rights", which is a blatant lie and has nothing to do with Edvard Benes. Also, are you seriously saying that the Hungarians came, assimilated everyone and then the Slavs arrived several hundred years later? That is the most delulu thing I have heard from a Hungarian.
@@MichalBrat maybe some slavs always lived in northern hungary i dont know exactly. The slovakian nation came into exist later than 900, their number was not a lot for along time. Constant migrations happend, croatians czechs poles ruthenians hungarians germans, they assimilated to slovaks. Look át transylvania. Zéró romanians, then in 1918 almost 3 millions.
3:20 "now we can understand why there were and are so many Hungarian people there, it was territory for a pretty long time" This is very poorly worded and doesn't reflect reality. It wasn't territory of Hungarian people but territory belonging to Hungarian Kingdom (Hungarian Kings weren't for very long time even ethnic Hungarians btw) and lands itself was divided between the crown (land belonging directly to the king), the nobility (which was mostly Hungarian but also locals) and the church. Land itself was however settled by non-Hungarians (in Slovakia Slovaks and Germans) except for parts where population was mixed which are and always were only regions directly bordering the core of the Hungarian Kingdom. Your wording suggest that ethnic Hungarians used to live all over the place until they were displaced by present day people.
No, hungarians lived everywhere, but later migrations happend. And many ppl didnt assimilated until 1918. (Many did) the map and this whole conception that there were not a lot of hungarians, they just controlled the lands etc. is ridiculous. Many coutries have minorities, so what? When yugoslavia was created, just in croatia 40% of the ppl were not croatian... we think of a more homogenous croatia but its wrong. You wrote about germans. They were good hungarians. They loved hungary. They had own schools universities. They were expeled deported, oppressed in slovakia, the, disappeared completely. The slovak capital was german in 1918. Germans were very sad after 1918. It was a tragedy for them. All germans disappeared from all new states. So the conception that all minorities wanted to live in another state is wrong.
@@lamebubblesflysohighhungarians are not wrong in history. We do not falsify history, we learn facts whether these are good or bad. Unlike our neighbours. By the way we even belittle our history, hungarians like to insult themselves, they are very much anti nationalsts. Thats why hungary could be robbed so easily. If anybody attacked hungary now, not á lot people would defend it. And thats why our neighbours lies are so dominant. We dont even defend ourselves against their insane lies.
@@timeanagy8495 ”So the conception that all minorities wanted to live in another state is wrong” - good to know. That applies now to the Hungarian minorities in other states. Cheers!
@@ionbrad6753 no, because they are oppressed while hungarys minorities settled down in the country and were not oppressed at all. We know that all hungarians hate their oppressors.
In Slovakia the numbers are more like 4 to 6% and that is due that a large group of roma (gypsy) people living in these regions identifying themselves as Hungarians rather then Roma.
Back when ottomans were invading balkans, Croatia and Hungary joined a personal union. That union was beneficial to both nations and there were almost no issues between the two if u excuse Hedervary and Jelacic. So i assume Hungary doesn't really claim those territories inside Croatia as part of their own. Correct me if am wrong fellow magyars.
You're right. 3:02 The core state belongs to Hungary. The Croatian-Hungarian personal union operated freely. Habsburg rule caused many problems. It was a completely blood-infected ruling house. The Habsburgs' desire for power led Europe to bloodshed. The great powers took revenge with the Hungarian territories. Austria even got a piece of land from us after WW1, which is nonsense.
I think that 6% in the beginning supposed to be 60%... Just that 1 million Hungarian in Romania are already 10% of Hungarys population. Also maybe I'm wrong, but last time I read about it, it was around 16 million Hungarian around the world, almost 10 million living in Hungary.
There may quite a few in Romania but still that doesnt change the fact that the majority is still Romanian. Its straight up stupid for Transylvania to belong to Hungary just because there are a few Hungarians there when the majority still is Romanian. Fair or not it isnt so bad now. The romanians in Transylvania during Austro Hungary were treated horribly and had little to no rights. At least the Hungarians in Romanian owned Transylvania are left alone and treated fairly.
@@hdaNhun Dude i live in transylvania and i never see discrimination against them. Obviously there are some people that hate them but that doesnt mean the majority does aswell. As a matter of fact Hungarians in Transylvani treat Romanians way worse than Romanians treat Hungarians.
Hungarian nationality never existed, there were magyars, serbs, romanians, slovaks, ruthenians but no unified hungarian nation. Latin was official state language until 19th century. With rise of nationalism magyars with dominant role supressed other nationalities and through magyarization tried to erase them. Trianon is logical outcome of that. Magyars didnt want to free other nationalities after ww1. Magyar army was kicked out of czechoslovakia by force and trianon was signed while romanian army was in budapest and half of the country was occupied. Hungary stopped existing after trianon 1920 and there were new states magyaria, czechoslovakia, romania, yugoslavia. By calling magyaria hungary you make a claim on territories of other states based on borders of historical kingdom of hungary. Please stop it, hungary doesnt exist anymore after 1920 and hungarian nation never existed
Thank you. Finally someone made this very obvious point. So much of the questions raise in the video would not come up at all if the questioner used the term Magyar to refer to the ethnic group and the term Hungarian to refer to a citizen of the Kingdom that was broken up after WWI. Hungary didn't have any land or any people taken from it by Trianon; Hungary ceased to exist. I think every honest person looking at the post-Trianon borders, based on a combination of ethnicity, economic viability, and defensibility, would consider them about as fair as one could hope for.
As a Hungarian from "abroad" I can say it`s a good video. What it`s really missing it`s maybe the communist regimes pressure on Hungarians after WW1. On the divided lands of Hungarian Kingdom (where the damn communist were ruling) it was a sin to be Hungarian. There`s reason why Slovakia`s and Romania`s population grew, but the number of Hungarians there decreased. Unfortunately it`s not only immigration`s fault...
Considering how ruthless the Austro-Mongarian empire was, its a miracle the Allied powers didn't absolve it all together! The Treaty of Trianon reflected the atrocities the Mongarians perpetrated on neighboring peoples for close to a millennia. The Mongarians has many opportunities to demonstrate their privilege in keeping their empire, but time and time again all the showed was how inhumane they were to neighboring peoples
@@robm7163 bro, Transylvania was under Hungarian control for 1000 years before Trianon. Yes, Magyarisation was brutal but that doesn't mean that millions of Hungarians have to be left out of Hungary. I'd say at least the strip in southern Slovakia and a bit of Vojvodina and Romania - the parts that were actually Hungarian majority (except the little thing in Transylvania cuz it would be a logistical nightmare) It's unfair just how the modern history of Bulgaria was. Our people got separated by the central powers just because some imperialist dreams. 700 000 Bulgarians were assimilated in Serbia, the Bulgarian majority is Aegean (Greek) Macedonia and Western Thrace were deported and the ones in Eastern Thrace were massacred by the Turks.
@@robm7163 1000 years ago Romanians were nowhere, not even the name existed for them, let alone any kind of statehood. Even their initial Moldova and Wallachia principalities were created by Cumans.
@@mydude_ don't play a victim here. We were there before you, you tried to forcefuly magyarise us, yet you still act as if this land belonged to you, and you still cry about Trianon. The deportations were a terrible thing. But you fail to see that you essentialy caused them yourselves. The reason why the Kingdom didn't work were not minorities, but rather a will of Hungarians to turn the Kingdom into an ethnostate. And only thing we wanted from you was an authonomy. Now, you can see fruits of those actions.
@@janjurik660 It is totally fake. Already a lot of Hungarians left Czechzoslovakia after the Czech occupation. And after 1945 The state forced the mainly the germans and the Hungarrians to leave the country.. They were deported. Like the nazis the jewish.. because Benes wanted to have a pure- ethnic slavic state. The deportation was stopped for the asking of Stalin finally
@@rabandris except the deportations were a consequence of Potsdam conference. And honestly, if you know history, you are the last people who should complain, since you tried to forcefuly assimilate us, and despite you having national rights in every succesor state, you still whine about Trianon being unfair. And yes, Trianon was unfair, but Magyarisation was not fair either. You have this victim mentality, but you are just a bully who was finaly punished by the teacher, even if unfairly
The thory is that abaut 2000 years ago it was a single language spoken in siberia, but since then they deverged so much there is little to no relation left today. Hungarians and their relatives (many of whome still live in siberia) went south and were influanced by turkick, iranian and later slavick and germanic languages and the finns and their relatives (including estonians) went north and were influanced by skandanavian languages.
@@swabianbug2000 years ago is too late. The latest date for when Proto-Finno-Ugric existed, from which Finnish and Hungarian eventually evolved from, is 4000 years ago. In fact, 2000 years ago the ancestors of Finns were already in northeastern Baltic region and had not been in the Ural region for a long, long time. 2000 years ago is closer to when Hungarians branched off from their closest linguistic relatives, the Ob-Ugrian Khanty and Mansi.
Yes, Hungary should have kept some territories. The borders between 1941 and 1945 were perfect. I don't want more than that. And if Hungary can't get those territories back, then I hope every Hungarians that become foreigners in their own homeland will be granted with the same rights as their overlord's citizens have. Anyone, who read this, can say, that "oh, but they already have same rights". No, they don't. Compare the Romanian/Slovakian/Ukrainian minority laws to the Slovenian one. You will see the differences. Minorities in Slovenia are treated as minorties should be treated, and all of our neighbours should take Slovenia as an example in this case
A big lie that Romania would not respect the rights of minorities. The capital of the country, Bucharest, today has as many Hungarians as a Hungarian city, but being an emancipated population, you will not hear it crying for rights. The Trianon abolished a nuisance in Transylvania, the arrogant Hungarian nobility, even with its own people.
@@CocoSon-we2rg As for the respect of rights: Have you ever heard about what happened in Valea Uzului (Úzvölgye) in the military cemetery? If not, look it up As for the Hungarian nobility: You are right. That's what nobilities did in the past. Not just in Hungary, but in France, England, or in the HRE. They did this to their people because they were rich and ignorant, just like most of the nobility, and not because they were Hungarians. If the Romanians would have already and Independent state in that time, the nobility of it would have done the same Edit: pls respond to the Slovenian minority rights part pls. Have you compared it to yours? I suggest it, before write any dumb things on the internet
@@ionbrad6753 I am not lying. Here's a list that Slovenian minorty rights provides for Hungarians while the Romanian minority rights doesn't: -Hungarian is recognised as an offcial language -Hungarians can learn Hungarian in every level of education (while in Romania they only can until elementary school) -Hungarian can be used as formal language during administartions -At least one seat in the Slovenian parliament is guaranteed for the Hungarians politicans (but they can earn even more) -There is an offical local council of the Hungarian minority which cooperates with the Slovenian government to make the life of the Hungarians even better and also they get funds for cultural events and constructions -There is another international council with Hungarian and Slovenian members, which make an assembly every year alternately in Slovenia and Hungary It is a really interesting addition to these informations. The Hungarian population of Slovenia contains 10.500 people. Which is ONLY 0.3% of the whole population of Slovenia. While in Romania, around 1 MILLIONS of Hungarians live which is 6% of the whole population of Romania. I hope you see the differences. And as for what we want: -Every rights that the Hungarian minorty in Slovenia has -Autonomy for Székely land, where nearly 700 thousands of Hungarians/Szekelys live, and they are IN MAJORITY in Județul Harghita (Harigta megye) and in Județul Covasna (Kovászna megye). This is the minimum that we need and the Romanian government should provide, for a national minority that is as big as the Hungarian one in Romania, Transylvania. And for the end: don't think that this is just for Romania, this is for every other neighbours of us, that doesn't respect Hungarians. So beside Romania we ask Slovakia, Ukraine, Serbia and Austria too, to act like Slovenia. I hope you agree with me, if don't belive in any of the infos that I mentioned, feel free the look it up, I am honest with you, you will see it. I am waiting for your response. Have a nice day!
To answer your question, the answer should be what the Hungarian delegation asked for: The will of the people, or referenda. Of course, the Allies were not interested in democracy as racist and imperialist powers (see what they did in Africa and the Middle East.) Grant our request and all will be fine.
Fun fact, there are tribes of Hungarian origin in both Egypt and Sudan called Magyarabs that wandered across the Nile and the previous Kingdom of Nubia around the XVI during Ottoman times sending troops. This is why in Arabic Hungary is called al-Madjar. Also, they logically have lighter skin, but not white.
if you are Hungarian and you think about Trianon that only lead you to make sad, you can not do anything againts it, and if you are speaking people from neighbour countries, you can never ever agree with history
It would be fair to give some of the historically majority Hungarian populated land back to Hungary, only the small bordering lands just enough to be fair with the current states as well, and for the rest of historically lands without a majority or few Hungarians remaining it wouldn't have sense nowadays to revert back to Hungary.
I can already tell that the comments will be very civilized and polite.
Until Hungarian nationalits visits.
@@Amanbiswas_2003. Wait for the Romanians 😂😂
Elég érzékeny a téma sokaknak.
@@mrbubbles293 what?
It's hungarian culture bro don't judge them
I've had conversations with 2 Hungarian individuals decades apart and they both used the phrase 'My little country' as in 'I'm impressed that you know so much about my little country.' I don't think they meant that it was like Luxenberg. They meant it was smaller than it should be. This feeling has been passed down through the generations.
No, it has nothing to do with it.
@ClifffSVK how can you talk for people you don't know
"smaller than it should be" No. Southern Southern Slovakia is way too large.
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivajao my god just shut up,your countries history couldnt full up an A4 paper
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja2:38 where is slovakia?
Hungarian-Brazilian here. (Part of) My family left Hungary because of Trianon, as they were living in Trieste at the time and the end of the war got them kicked not to Hungary but to Yugoslavia (???). In 1926, they arrived to Brazil and started out fresh, but the trauma of war and post-war persecution made them completely hide their identities (and language) as Hungarians. I claimed Hungarian citizenship based on descent and now strive to rebuild what we have lost: our language and customs, but never our country.
Trieste was awarded to Yugoslavia initially before being ceded to Italy.
@@fumo7467 that explains a lot. They went to Brazil with Yugoslavian passports, not Italian ones, as one would expect. Trianon dictated that those who remained outside of Hungary’s borders would receive the citizenship of the country they were in
Hope u make it from a Turk from Turkey to brother
Interesting. I'm hungarian with brazilian partner. We will move to Brazil in the next few years. Life is much easier over there...
@@koverlaszlotitkosugynok8971 - your avatar pic is awesome
Life is easier over here as long as you have money. Brazil is perverse with its lower income population. If you're at least upper middle class you'll be fine.
I've been to Budapest once and it's one of my favorite places in the world. I quite like the sound of the language as well, even though it's impossible to learn
We going back to the 9th century with this one
Never ima send the Magyars back to asia
to 1771 AD. All this ego duck shoving, because 3 German families decided to
Partition the Lithuanian - Polish Commonwealth.
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Forgot to mention the Communist Revolution that occurred in Hungary, this massively impacted the treaty of Trianon
Yeah, invading your neighbors mid-negotiation doesn't make you any friends.
@@flazzorbexcept there were no negotiations. In fact the Communists were the first government that the Entente negotiated with, as they actually took up arms instead of accepting every demand imposed on them
@@lvvgyk Except there were no negotiations because the Hungarians refused to negotiate, and the HSR only came to the table as it was collapsing.
No, actually not really. The terms of the treaty was decided between the Entente powers before Hungary became Soviet.
@@flazzorbNot reaally. At the end of the war, Mihály Károlyi, a democratic Prime Minister, reduced the millitary in order to negotiate with the Entente. This led to the conquering of Budapest by Romanians. Nobody negotiated with them.
i just have to say i'm actually pleasantly surprised that so far there were very few and not very severe fights in the comments between romanians and hungarians, keep it up guys!!!
Fuck disney land to be clear
Romanians are tired of arguing about this issue. Trianon was inevitable and the people decided. The rest is history. Romania also has a lot of its people in the surrounding countries.
@@sierraleonediamondexplorat2080 The land was ours for 1000 years, so yes, it is rightfully ours
@@blueninja3630 LOL...
Fun fact... as a reaction to Woodrow Wilson's 14 points program, there was a proposal in Czechoslovakia to rename Prešporok (historical name of Bratislava, which is a Slovak capital) to Wilson City... but it was decided to pick Bratislava instead
Thank heavens, that man does not deserve any praise. He ruined America and Europe.
Fun fact, it was called Pozsony....
@@Gil-games That's just a magyarized version of Pressburg. The city was 65% Austrian and German.
@@elichris6348 many many nations contributed to this city. But we did it first.
@@Gil-games Nope. Austrians and Carpathian Germans did it first.
As a History enthusiastic Romanian studying Politics and International Relations in the UK, I have dedicated many years of my life better understanding this dispute concerning our two countries.
I was born and lived all my life almost in the city of Arad, very close to the Hungarian border, a city shrouded in deep multicultural history, a reference point for both the Hungarian and the Romanian nations in the making of their recent histories. Living in a multicultural environment and having many friends of Hungarian descent, but also having travelled to Hungary at some point for 2-3 years almost weekly, helped me gather the similarities between our two peoples. I personally find Hungarians extremely kind and friendly, with a very rich culture, beautiful language (that I am myself trying to learn out of respect for my region’s unique multiculturalism - Transylvania and Banat), with some of the tastiest food on the continent, and their country having an absolutely gorgeous architecture overall.
Being in close contact with Hungarians in Romania and with Hungarians from Hungary made me better understand what 1920 meant to them, and I am very glad I got the chance to view the other side of the same story as well! What I can say is that yes, the empire could not further survive in the form it used to be at that time, given the constant push from all sides to form or reunite their nations in the age of solidifying one entity’s cultural and linguistic identities.
I personally think that Romanians did deserve taking a big chunk of Transylvania, given the demographic figures at that time supporting a Romanian majority living on that territory, but the way this took place should have been different. I completely acknowledge that Northern Transylvania was, and still is to some extent, more Hungarian, while the southern bit of the territory more Romanian. Therefore, cities on the border such as Oradea (Nagyvárad), Satu Mare (Szatmárnémeti), Salonta (Nagyszalonta), even my city Arad perhaps, should have stayed within Hungary, given the immediate proximity to the border and the overall Hungarian ethnic and linguistic majority there. On top of that, I assume few people in Hungary today may be aware that when the Romanian elite and people in Transylvania gathered in Alba Iulia (Gyulafehérvár) to proclaim the unity of the territory with the Kingdom of Romania in 1918, that proclamation of unification addressed to Bucharest also entailed equal linguistic and religious rights for all nations comprising the territory, not just for the majority, demanding even their autonomy, a fact that only goes to show how visionary the Transylvanian Romanian elite at the time was, mainly thanks to living in such a diverse empire beforehand. Sadly, Bucharest took too little notice of our endeavours, and pursued a policy centred solely around the further consolidation of the most numerous ethnicity.
It is hard and almost impossible to redraw borders today, given that demographics changed for the most part, but what the Romanian state could do would be to grant more rights to the ethnic Szeklers. My personal idea is that granting them autonomy in Transylvania could be a bit risky in light of Victor Orbán’s constant revisionism today, but my solution would the decentralisation in administration and the creation of 9 historic and autonomous regions (based on the Spanish model), where each region minds its own internal affairs without too much intervention from Bucharest. Therefore, Hungarian could become co-official in Banat (Bánság), Transylvania (Erdély), Crișana (Körösvidék), and Maramureș (Máramaros), leading to a long-term peace prospect. And this could happen, as it is already a reality in the Serbian autonomous province of Vojvodina (Vajdaság), where 6 languages are official, this example also being an important reference point to the topic discussed.
I am as well asking the Hungarian part to also acknowledge the struggles of the Romanian people under the Kingdom of Hungary and their neglect from education and political and administrative lives. The policy of magyarisation for example was one of the worst to all ethnic groups living withing Greater Hungary, and I wish more Hungarians shed light on the importance of this to us, and what led to the ultimate breakaway of the empire as well. I mean this in the least nationalistic manner, but it is paramount for both sides to acknoweldge their wrongdoings in building a better future.
All in all, I will personally do everything in my power and ability as an aspiring politician home to ensure that the rights of all ethnic groups in Romania are fully respected, and I truly and wholeheartedly hope that one day our two countries will learn the art of compromise and reconciliation, based on the post-World War 2 Franco-German model of deep cooperation and brotherly relations in a broader European Union.
Nagyon szeretek a magyarokat, a magyar kultúrátokat és a magyar nyelveteket, és remélem a jövőben minden jobb, békés és barátságos két országunk között az EU-ban lesz! Éljen a román-magyar egység!
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But it was a bad solution.
In one case Hungary is whole, minorities have no problem at all. Maybe 54% of the population had a little bit more rights in romania, the other solution. But think of the fact that romanians migrated to hungary for a better life from romania and they found it.
The other solution was realized. 46% of the population was brutally oppressed for 100 years but at least 70 years. Maybe 10 million people since then. Their schools were closed, their lands, properties, money, industries, banks were stolen, their religion and language was persecuted. They were fired from their workplace. Just in the first year 150k hungarians fled to hungary. Years later, a decade later many hungarians still didnt have any citizenship. 10 000s lived in hungarian railway stations later. Many of them were killed. There were death camps until the 60s like the valley of death. Hungarians were imprisoned, relocated to old romania, hungarian language was banned everywhere. Hungarian villages were destroyed even in the 80s. Etc. In their own 1000 years old land by the immigrants. Germans were killed and almost all of them were sent or sold to Germany. The economy of the area was partitioned. The railway, the roads, everything was partitioned. People became very poor while hungary improved before 1918.
Imagine this case in the US. Mexican immigrants became majority in some states, Mexico annexes them and this happens with the americans... who thinks its good is not normal.
Citeste ce a scris nagy asta. Cum gandesti tu si cum gandesc ei! Frate, esti naiv. Cu astia care cred ca sunt o rasa superioara nu ai cum sa faci reconciliere pe model franco-german. Dar probabil asta e doar un extremist si gresesc eu.
@@timeanagy8495 Wich immigrants? Romanian population in Transylvania is undoubtedly present since the 13th century. That's more almost one millenium of documented (!) Romanian presence there.10 million people? Which 54%, where, who? There were never 10 million Hungarians in Romania, not even if we calucalate all people that lived there and already died since 1919. Banat didn't have a Hungarian majority ever in its long history, Syrmia, Croatia and Slavonia either. Death camps? Please, provide some information about your sources. There were death camps in communist Romania, but there were also Romanians, Serbs, Germans and all the other ethnicities there. Comparison with US and Mexico is silly and offensive. Germans had actually the very best treatment in the Romanian state in comparison to Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia or even socialist Hungary. There were no camps for Germans after WW II, but Romanians couldn't have stoped the SOVIET deportations in Gulags. Economy... Well, I invite you to visit Romania and compare Nyíregyháza to Oradea (Nagyvárad) or Timișoara (Temesvár) to Szeged. I'm sure, that you wouldn't be able to see so many differences... Kudos to Hungary for the maintenance of its railway network, that is correct. Minority rights... Well, in Romania, I agree, it should and could be better, but for exaple in Serbia or Croatia, you can even get your national ID, driver's licence and other documents bilingual - in their respective national and in Hungarian language. Romania offers free state academic education in Hungarian! The Hungarian state, more than 100 years after Tianon, doesn't provide such rights. No, unfortunately (and I say this as a person, who is nostalgic about the Austro-Hungarian Empire), Trianon was the best solution possible at that very moment.
@@necanecameca I am just answering you the immigrant question before reading the rest of your comment. I think he meant that those people who are Romanians, but not native on the lands with diverse population. The same happened in Vojvodina. The native Serbs-Hungarians lived "happily" together just like the native Romanians-Hungarians. After their equivalent of "Magyarization" happened, many people from outside these regions were arriving, making the percentage of Hungarian population less dense. Those might be the "immigrants" who he mentioned. People who were not aware of the local customs, and were even mad that there are other nationalities living there. This mentality is still observable in current Serbia, but the situation has improved a lot in the past decades.
@@necanecameca romanians are an immigrant minority for the hungarians. Most of them migrated after 16-1700 but hungary is much older.
Btw its not equal when immigrants have to speak the language, and when immigrants or others steal a land and native people have to speak their language. Many people dont understand why many hungarians cant speak the language in romania or ukraine... because they always lived there in hungary, the occupation is not their fault, they didnt move to another country like the romanians.
Trianon as the best solution? In hungary nobody was killed, robbed, discriminated, expelled, etc. Minorities had no problem. Romania is not better for romanians then hungary. In the other case almost 50% of the people were oppressed, persecuted, expelled, robbed, relocated, sold, killed, etc. People lost their work, their land, money, house, etc. 10 000s of people lived in railway stations in wagons in hungary. 150k people fled in the first year. Schools were closed. Romanians killed ca. 5k people in the war in 1919 and looted everything from hungary throughout a year. People suffered. They killed people in every town. 10 000s of people were killed after it. Villages, houses, towns, the economy , railway lines, families were cut in half by the border. Yes, there were many villages cut in half. People couldnt travel to hungary and vice versa. Nowadays ca. 5 million germans and hungarians should live in Transylvania, the germans totally disappeared. It was just Transylvania. 1 million people wete killed just in Yugoslavia. The whole wwii originates from these treaties. They couldnt create worse treaties. Not often loses a country 2/3 part of itself.
Bosniak and Bosnian are not the same. It`s not only Bosniak diaspora when you talk about Bosnia at 0:59 , but also Serbian and Croatian. About 50% of Bosnian population is comprised of Serbs and Croats, and 50% of Bosniaks.
I second this. Bosnians are just Muslim Serbs. The identity didn’t exist during the Slavic invasions but came about after ottoman occupation and the forced conversions of Catholic Serbs and Croats
Thank you for clarifying this.
I thought there were 50% serbs and 50% bosniaks & croats
@@fortyan roughly 30-35% Serbs, 15-20% Croats, 50-55% Bosniaks, depending on sources. Because of huge diaspora (every second native Bosnian is not living in Bosnia), and because Bosnian Serbs in diaspora count themselves as Serbian diaspora (same for Croats-Croatian), it is realy hard to give precise numbers.
@@Da__goat Nope. Bosniaks are separate and distinctive ethnic group, based on their religion (Islam). Although they are very similar to Serbs and Croats, and that the national idea of Bosniaks is quiet young compared to Serbian and Croatian one, they have their own distinction, and most important, over 2mil. people identify themselves as Bosniaks.
Yet, it is hard to deny that Bosniaks are descendants of medieval Christian inhabitants of Bosnia (and other Balkan regions, many of them migrated from modern day Croatia in 17th and modern day Serbia in 19th century), both Roman Catholic and Orthodox ones who converted to Islam (mostly opportunistic as Christians has to pay aditional taxes in Ottoman Empire, but also because of ideological and religious reasons, and because of forced islamisation). And you won`t be wrong if that medieval Bosnians call Serbs or Croats, but be aware that it`s way before the birth of national ideas in 19th century. Also, modern day Bosnia and Herzegovina is product of Tito`s Yugoslavia, and historical and ethnic borders are way different.
Everybody expects Romanians and Hungarians to have terrible relations, meanwhile me, a Romanian, is out drinking every weekend with my Hungarian best friend from Romania
Im pretty sure it's not Nicholas Horthy but Miklos Horthy.
Yeah, that was weird to see as a Hungarian. Lots of maps with Hungarian text and suddenly "translated" name.
seeing it translated is weird, but Nicholas is the direct translation of Miklós
Miklós is the Hungarian version of Nicholas. We Hungarians also use translated names for example we call the Russian Tsar II. Miklós
@@LadrixiaThorne We translate the names of historical figures too though. Ferenc József, Joszif Sztálin, I Erzsébet, Marx Károly...
Whilst growing up one of our cats was named Miklós after him 👊 my old man was an ethnic Hungarian from Kolozsvár.
Alhough I consider my nationality to be British I am immensely proud to be half Hungarian.
Can't wait for Hungarian Nationalist to comment "Slovakia, Translvania, Vojvodina is Hungary!" As a Slovak, i understand Southern Slovakia, but if you want the rest of Slovakia, well that might be too far.
Judging by results of recent elections, significant portion of your countrymen wants Slovakia to be Hungary...
@@martinsriber7760 Yeah...
Hey what is the general opinion on such a thing there? I have been to Hungarians in Slovakia a lot of times and they said that in the villages with a majority Hungarian population I can speak Hungarian (to my friends) but I should avoid it in Kosiće / Kassa because they would look mad at me. Is this true or just some racist biases? (I don't know which part are you from but just how do Slovaks view Hungarians?)
@@matyasfukk3270 I think we view them sorta neutrally, never really though about asking that to any other Slovak. Tho there might be some Nationalist Slovaks.
Hungarian speaking here.
I honestly don't understand why so many of us are still obsessed with returning to the old kingdom specifically.
The old austrian empire was already too dysfunctional with it's multitude of ethnicities as it was. That would not change today.
If we Really wanted to bring back the old borders, that state should not be called Hungary. It should be something like the "carpathian federation" or something similar, with all the different language areas given statehood and full representation.
Otherwise, everything will descend back into chaos and rebellion.
But then again, looking at Yugoslavia's case, i'm not too positive on such a state doing it's job properly.
Maybe some peoples here just need to realise that we can't win the past back anymore. This is no longer the middle ages where which king or lord you serve determines which country you belong to.
Hungary was divided completely unfairly after the First World War.
Yes, Hungary belongs to Austria like it did for hundreds of years. So unfair to separate it from Austria.
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 You mean just like Ukraine belongs to Russia?
Ah yes, "unfairly" say that to those you massacred in Černová
@@crimsonghost9136 like hungary belongs to russia
Yeah very unfair because the entirity of hungarybis actually slovaks who mistook duck qacks for a language.
Quem também tinha uma população amplamente dispersa eram os alemães!
Alem da Alemanha, Austria e Suiça, haviam alemães na França, Romenia, Polonia, Ucrania e até na região russa do Volga e possuiam uma república soviética autônoma! A situação mudou após a segunda guerra mundial!
I have german ancestry from Strasbourg
A Europa mudou muito no século XX. A Europa de hoje, então, seria irreconhecível para um europeu que estivesse vivo 100 anos atrás. É, e sempre foi, um continente muito dinâmico, em constante mudança.
Narkomani Germany. Slovakia Germany city Levoča, Bratislava, Poprad, Kosice
I also never understood why Italy got whole South Tyrol and not just the southern part where the majority were Italians
I feel your pain, but please note the order of magnitude difference between territories lost (in terms of ethnic population) by Austria compared to Hungary. Not to mention that Austria got compensated (for S-Tirol) with an entire new Bundesland taken FROM HUNGARY. Go figure.
My aunt ran away from hungry in 1956 and she's very rich and happy in San Diego😊
Because of the comunist
@@SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow Because of Russians.
@@ionbrad6753 same shit 🤣😂
@@SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow True.
@@SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow nah. Not only russian communists are bad.
As a Hungarian I think, that the Treaty of Trianon should've been more fair, mainly because this whole thing brought a lot of suffering for both sides. However I also think, that changing it back today would create just as many problems. Treating each other fairly, respecting each other's culture and language and try to find a way to live peacefully together - I think, that's the way forward.
Respect to you! The correct answer! We should respect eachother!
The people didn't move, Hungary did.
The border
Clarification: dual citizenship is not allowed in Ukraine for a long while, not just since recently
It's also not really enforced, so most Hungarians and even a lot of Carpathian Ukrainians (Rusyns) applied for Hungarian citizenship, as it grants them free movement and the right to work anywhere within the EU.
sfaxx how many of zelensky ministers got dual citizenship you full of it dude
The Treaties that ended WW I was collectively known as The Paris Peace Conference 18th January 1919 to the 21st January 1920.
The five Central Powers signed their separate treaties with the Allies at various locations in and around Paris.
1) Germany signed at Versailles on 28th June 1919.
2) Austria signed at Saint-Germain-en-Laye on 10th September 1919.
3) Bulgaria signed at Nueilly-sur-Seine on 27th November 1919.
4) Hungary signed at Trianon on 4th June 1920.
5) Turkey signed at Sevres on 10th August 1920.
However there was so much resistance to the Treaty of Sevres in Turkey itself. Which was coupled with the fact that the Allies were unable/unwilling to impose the Treaty by military intervention meant that a second revised Treaty between the Allies and Turkey was required. This revised Treaty being signed at Lausanne, Switzerland, on 24th July 1924.
The Treaty of Trianon was in many ways the harshest of the Treaties.
Hungary lost over 70% of it's pre war territory (down from 325,408 Square Km to 92,962 Square Km)
Hungary was also the only former Central Power signatory at the Paris Peace Conference to lose territory to another former Central Power signatory. As most of the Burgenland (with only Sopron remaining in Hungary following a plebiscite) was ceded to Austria.
This was due to the area being largely German speaking.
Thank you for the great video! It's great this subject gets more attention.
A little addition:
The decrease of the population was also caused by the Ottomans and later the revolution of 1848-49 as the country was attacked by 6 nations at the same time, 7 if we include Russia that joined the Habsurg's side later
A true success story, eh? 😆
Anyway, good video. To my ear it's always strange to hear 'Magyar' as opposed to 'Hungarian', since they literally mean the exact same thing ('magyar' means 'Hungarian' in Hungarian). But I understand the distinction in the historic context.
About Trianon, let me start by saying I hate the revisionism that's being supported by some elements in the country, and I think it's about time people moved on and make the best of what we've got (oh they're gonna love this). Some of this 'trauma' stays because it wasn't properly analysed and honest truths were never really spoken (kinda like Japan in WWII). Our involvement is undeniable in this.
However, I will say that objectively, Trianon was in fact harsh and it could've been more 'fair', if you want to use that word for a losing country. But then again, our leaders at the time weren't exactly on top of their lobbying efforts either. Oh well.
I maintain my belief that the vast majority of my countrymen don't want anything to do with restoration of any kind and instead want a lasting good relation with our neighbors - which, despite everything, we largely still have right now.
And with that, let the abuse begin. 😂
Every Hungarian from Hungary I've met has revisionist beliefs. And they don't even hide it.
The szekelies I live with are chill tho. I don't get how the "mainland" Hungarians can be openly extremist and the ones out of the border can be so humane and reasonable.
@@horiabalaban7968 you're probably in wrong company then. Feeling a 'nostalgia', while I agree it doesn't help anybody today, isn't the same as 'let's go get Transylvania back'. Talk about barking dogs. In your next paragraph you call them extremists (rightly so), so by definiton they aren't the majority.
They szekelys are anything but chill, no offense. 99.9 percent of them are staunch supporters of the current government, who uses them to their political ends. What does that tell you?
@@dddaddy it tells me that you don't live in Transylvania. I grew up w szekelies and still have Szekely friends. I doubt that that 99.9 percent of them support the Hungarian government when I've met no one that does it.
With openly extremists I meant those who make "let's go get Transylvania back" their personality when they find out I'm Romanian.
I would label anybody who votes for Orban an extremist. Hungarian majority keeps voting him. They don't hate him that much to get rid of him.
@@horiabalaban7968 you can doubt all day long, it's an unfortunate fact. I don't need to live there to know, we can see that election after election, especially since they got voting rights, which I vehemently oppose. Maybe the '99.9' is over the top, but you get the point. It is whatever it is, but let's not be hypocritical about it.
I feel bad about your experiences, and that has to be open provocation, but really, the silent majority wouldn't even think of doing that.
If all Hungarians thought like you, Hungarians would be seen by the neighboring peoples, not as braggarts who cannot be satisfied. Even if he had an even bigger territory, he would have done the same.
Thank you for covering this topic!
So is Romania.
Video is spot on. I saw the video though some mainstream media and I thought that Trianon would be completely left out of the picture. You said very good that France had huge impact of the partition of Hungary. France is the main player, which wanted this kind of scenario. Another one, which wanted this was Czechia. First it was Tomas Masaryk who was in close ties with the french about the czech-hungarian question. Then, in the 30s, before WW2 Edvard Benes was the one who was greatly critisizing Hungary in favor of Czechia, knowing that France would welcome that with open arms.
Do why there are so many Chinese in Singapore despite it being so far away from mainland China
When the Turks left the Habsburg used the political and power vacum and took over Hungary. It was the Habsburgs who really ruled. Also wasnt fair how the ww1 ended for us Hungarians. Means deciding the borders without actually knowing the different populations there. On the other side, yes, those territories where not Hungarians lived, was a valid decision to get them. And please dont forget that we share this planet, its not ours, so lets stay good neighbours and be happy for the fact that Europe is so colorful.
11:18 The way you self-censored this is hilarious lol
10:40 poland got some minor territories near slovakia
Polsko obsadilo severní části Oravy a Spiše.
From Orava, the Poles received land in exchange for Tešín (this was inhabited by Poles), but in the county of Szepes there were lands that had been under Polish rule in the past.
As a Polish i never understood why Hungarians werent deported like we were after ww2
and germans in poland too
@@fortyan 90% of germans were deported or ran away from the terror of the red army. Only small German minority was left on upper silesia
Because they refused to swap population, in Hungary there was and still is a romanian minority.
@@bogdandavid2644 Refusal was not possible when Stalin so wished.
There were some minimal deportations to my knowledge. From Bratislava, but that was more against the German majority living there and a minor one after WW2. It was a "population-swap" officially but seeing how long the Benes dictat was part of the Czechoslovakian and later Slovakian constitution I don't think there was much of a choice for the Hungarians.
Hungary not just lost their people and territories but rich mines, skiable mountains and contact to the Mediterrian sea (tourist and transport places), road network, etc. That was a cruel decision back in time while Hungary wanted to separate from Austria in 1848-49 who was one of the real actor in the first ww.
i think you don't really understand the meaning of the word "cruel", especially in the context when someone has just lost a war.
They couldn’t lose countries that were never Hungary! Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Romania, Slovenia, and others were its own countries and were taken over by Hungary.
Let people be happy that they are finally free.
Yeah it was unfair, sure, but it doesn't really matter now. I once crossed the hungarian-slovakian border without even noticing and I'm palanning on going to a hungarian speaking university in Romania. We're learning to live alongide eachother in peace. It's a process for sure, but we're getting there.🙂
It may not matter that much anymore with the blurring of national borders thanks to the EU, but deep down it is still a problem. These were Hungarian lands, and after Trianon the little entente got more than they deserved out of Hungary. Many of us were separated from the country because of it and it wasn’t until 80 years later that they even got the right to cross the border freely.
Trianon needs to be revised.
@@Lucas_Ficz No, the conquest of European lands by some Uralic tribes needs to be revised.
@@ionbrad6753why don’t we revise the entirety of history then? Why can’t we all live in peace on this damn spherical rock
@@shurikengaming4850 I agree with you. But you should ask the other ”respondent” this question. I was only pointing something to him.
@@Lucas_FiczSo you would rather choose violance, the spilling of the blood of you're beloved brothers and sisters in a war to gain back lands and redraw borders when you could work with you're neighbours to make thoes borders meaningless in the first place? If you want hungarians over the border to live better, to be able to live as hungarians, for their kids to grow up in peace without a drunk romanian calling them dirty bozgors and beating them up, you should advocate for unity and peace. Violance and hate goes both ways. We have to let go so that they can too.
When Wilson was in Paris for the Peace treaty, Ho Chi Minh was was working as a cook at a Chinese restaurant, sent a letter to the American president asking that the US acknowledged Vietnam’s independence. He was ignored and then turned into Communism after realising the West’s hypocrisy. Such a hilarious episode and such a lost opportunity
I'm a little confused by the Portugal reference in the beginning. If referencing a countries population it should be by citizens right? Not just heritage? So I assume you're saying that the Portuguese people in France Luxembourg and Switzerland your referencing still hold Portuguese citizenship. This Hungarians in Romania and Slovakia, do they hold Hungarian citizenship? Also back to the Portugal reference I think it should be taken into account if they have plans to go back to Portugal, like if it's temporary? Because if they're moving to France to live and work and intend to stay there then they no longer contribute to Portuguese population whereas if they have like a 5 or 10 year plan to work there then return to Portugal then yes they are still a part of the population
Keep in mind: Hungary didn't really have a chance to "chose" their allies. In the second world war Hungary was forced to help Germany (among many other nations), although wanted to stay neutral. The leader of Hungary at the time was even threatened that germany would kill his kidnapped son if they chose otherwise.
It's even more complicated than that. If Hungary stayed alone in WW2, there would be no more Hungary. So Hungary had to ally with Germany again, as the allied powers, mainly France caused the massacre of Hungary in Trianon, and all our neighbors were allied with them.
@@bjardin France needed to protect themselves from Germany after the huge massacres in WW1. So the natural reaction was to split Central Europe. Besides Hungarians were absolutely ok with ruling other nations but if some Hungarians are ruled by someone else then they call it the biggest disaster ever. Isn't that a hypocrisy?
@@miroslavdusin4325 Usual anti Hungarian speech.
@@miroslavdusin4325 Stop looking at history from 21st century approach. Hungary always have been a multicultural state, so us ruling other nations makes no sense, we did not rule other nations, those territories and cultures were integrated parts of the Historical Hungarian Kingdom.
@@miroslavdusin4325 Though making a Peace Treaty signed by 48 states on the winner side and only 1 on the looser one, and forcing a country to give away 1000 years old borders, its a political and historical massacre and a rape, one of the biggest injustice in history ever. Forcing millions of Hungarians to the surrounding countries without rights, under oppression, after being there for more then 1000 years ... That is not comparable with anything you said previously.
Hungarians have a special way of thinking about foreign policy...in the first world war they believed that communism would restore their empire...in ww2 they believed that Nazi Germany would and they felt compelled by them to fight until total destruction ...now Orban is playing his card with Russia against NATO and the EU ....each time they were humiliated and destroyed ...so intelligent people never invent even though the results of the equation are the same ...but they should understand something .... if you buy weapons from those who challenge them to fight, you have already lost... with Swedish planes and German weaponry to overthrow NATO and the EU... it is the death of reason..
why are so many hungarians in europe? - they emigrated from asia 1000 years ago
In order to understand who the real Hungarians were, it is important to know the real data about the population of the Carpathian Basin and the military people of Árpád! I quote from scientific publications of recent years, from the website of the Hungarian Research Institute:
"The presence of the ancestors of today's Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin has been continuous for thousands of years"
"A new database of 16,000 mitogenomes of 172 ancient and living populations has been created and investigated their connection system based on artificial intelligence method. The new algorithm recognizes all haplogroup correlations, regardless of the time of the process behind the correlation. A new methodological article (1) has been published in the journal Molecular Genetics and Genomics by the researchers of the Archaeogenetic Research Center of the Hungarian Research Institute, the Department of Genetics of the University of Szeged, the Institute of Technical Physics and Materials Science." "The Carpathian Basin is an unbreakable unit / Applying the method to the investigation of the former and present-day populations of the Carpathian Basin, the authors found that the vast majority of the present-day population is from a Copper Age (4500 BC-2800 BC) - Bronze Age (2800 BC-700 BC) can be traced back to a basic population, while immigration from the eastern steppe region seems to have had a smaller genetic impact on the population in the tenth-eleventh centuries."
By analyzing the contemporary data and comparing it with the latest archaeological and archaeogenetic data, it is increasingly clear that the Magyars were the military tribes that came with Árpád, who, according to the chronicles, returned to their Scythian-Hun heritage in the Carpathian basin, where the "Hungarians" and "Szeklers" awaited them! Historians ignore the fact that the names Ungarus and Hungarorum appear as early as the 8th century sources, which are all about the Hungarians or Ungarians of the Carpathian Basin, such as in 760: Via Ungarorum, or in the 790s Paulus For Diaconus: the name form Ungarus. Or Liutprand in the epitaph of a Lombard king, in the Annales Rotomagenses; In Annales Gemmeticenses and Annales Uticenses in 793: regnum Hungarorum/Karolus rex vastat. Or what Jordanes wrote in his book "Getica" in the 6th century, that "the Hunugors, who are also called Sabers, lived in Scythia and Dacia as well." It logically follows from this that even under the Huns and Avars there were people who called themselves Hungarians or Ungarians, but the European peoples often wrote their names in a distorted form, such as: Ungros - Ungarer - Ungrare - Uher - Unkăr - Venger - Hoongar - Hongrois and so on. Only the eastern peoples and two or three neighboring peoples called us Magyars later, such as the Arabs: Madjar, the Turkmen: Mazsar, the Tatars: Madjar, the Uzbeks: Mojar, the Tajiks: Maçor, the Russians : Madьár - Magyar, and they are more Slavic neighbors than Serbs: Мађар, Slovaks: Maďar and Slovenes: Madžar. So the Hungarians were the original people here in the Carpathian Basin and it was the militarily strong Magyars who organized the Hungarian statehood!
Dr. Fehér Bence, historian and classical philologist at the Institute of Hungarian Studies, came to the conclusion that the Hungarian language was spoken in the Carpathian Basin at the latest in the so-called "Avar"age, and since the specific runic writing on these relics were written in Old Hungarian, and these are perfectly similar to the Szekler - Hungarian runic writing, which is why these writings were named Carpathian basin runic writing. But such finds with similar runic texts have not been found anywhere to the east, neither among the finds of the Magyars who came with Árpád, nor among the Huns, nor even among the runic inscriptions of the Far East! On the contrary, they were found in the Carpathian basin from the Cimmerian and Scythian eras, or in the Maros valley, ancient clay tablets and discs with the signs of the Szekler-Hungarian runic script were found in several places! But elsewhere in the Carpathian basin, such short writings engraved in stone thousands of years old have been found, as well as many ancient motifs that are still used in Hungarian folk art today! So when the geneticists say that all archegenetic and population genetics research proves that the majority of Hungarians are of Carpathian origin, then these results that I wrote about all prove that the basic Hungarian population and the Hungarian language were formed here in the middle of Europe! And if that's not enough, there are the river names mentioned since ancient times, which can only be interpreted in Hungarian, especially in the eastern half of the Carpathian Basin. Because it cannot be a coincidence that only here in the Carpathian basin have the most ancient river names survived to this day, most of which can only be interpreted in Hungarian, such as Tisia - Tisza, Maris - Maros, Samum - Szamos, Crisos - Körös, Alutus - Alot - Olt, Tamis - Temes rivers name! But these river names have been written down and that is why we have known them since ancient times, except that it seems more and more that the other geographical names of Hungarian origin are also much older from the Carpathian basin than what the toponym researchers thought. Because even in the first documents written in Latin, place names and geographical names of Hungarian origin appear in more than 80 percent, but these are probably names from much earlier than researchers thought for a long time! An example from the 8th century, where it is written about Charlemagne for a new settlement between Sarwar and Heimburg". But in order to understand this, you must first know Hungarian, and if you already know the language well, then maybe look for these data, which the anti-Hungarian historians hide even from the Hungarians! If you look at the wiki dictionary, the word Sár - mud, is an ancient Hungarian word. The WikiDictionary says: Origin: sár < Old Hungarian: sár < Proto-Hungarian: savár, csér (mud) < Dravidian: seru, siru (mud, swamp). And then for: Vár - castle, if you type the origin of the word vár into Google, the WikiDictionary says:Origin [vár < Old Hungarian: vár < Proto-Hungarian: vár, várta (castle, guard place) < urr, ur (city) < Dravidian: ur (castle, city, estate) < Sanskrit: oru (place).
If one understands these data, she can see that if Hungarian speakers had not been the majority in the Carpathian basin for thousands of years until the 19th century, then by now the majority of the population would have already been Germanized or Slavicized, and they might have remained Turkic speaking groups too!
This is why the American anthropologist and cryptologist Grover Sanders Krantz was right, who came to the following conclusion in her book named "Geographical Development of European Languages" (New York, NY: Peter Lang Publishing, 1988. ISBN 978-0-8204-0800-2):
"...so the Greek language was formed in its current location in 6500 BC, and the Celtic language in Ireland in 3500 BC. The antiquity of the Hungarian language in the Carpathian basin is similarly surprising, I find that its origins go back to the Mesolithic, preceding the Stone Age."
So the ancestors of the Hungarians have lived here for thousands of years, where the Danube and the Tisa flow, and the lying historians and politicians try to hide this from the Romanians, because then the big lie about Daco-Romanian continuity will be revealed!
13:00 Dual citizenship has never been recognized in Ukraine. If anything, there are talks about implementing it.
Were the people living inside what is now Hungary, in 1910, 100.00% ethnic Hungarian or were there, also, incidentally, some ethnic Romanians, Slovaks, Austrians and so on?
Yes absolutley there were.There was a lot of what were called "population exchanges" that basically meant deportion of not hungarians on one and deportion of hungarians on the other side. Most were actually german, but most of them were deported after wwII.
Hungarians were a minority in 1910's "Hungary". They were less then 50%.
Nowadays there are 13 officially recognized minorities in Hungary: Gipsy/Romani, German, Slovak, Romanian, Serb, Croat, Slovene, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, Polish, Bulgarian, Greek, Armenian.
There was no border for centuries, so there were naturally many ethnic Slovaks living south of the current border, just as there were many ethnic Magyars living north of the current border. The placement of that border was largely based on trying to minimize both "lost" groups. Also, not the city itself but the countryside around Budapešť had tens of thousands of ethnic Slovak residents. Finally, there were areas in the south where substantial numbers of ethnic Slovaks and Rusyns had migrated in the 1700s in organized groups to repopulate the territory left empty once the Ottoman Turks were driven out by the Austrians.
Some of the descendants of these Slavic people still retain their language and ethnic traditions and identity. But most have been assimilated over the years.
Alternative title:Why are there so many Romanians &Slovakians in Hungary?
Exactly 😂 because very long time ago there wasn’t Hungary. They came and took the land
Hungary was so big
Here a real smart questions.Do you know from where hungarians have come to europe? And do you know who has lived in hungary before hungarians?
celts, yazigs, daco-romans, gots, all kinds of actual europeans
One thing you probably missed (I don't blame you it is pretty obscure) is the Rákóczi Szövetség (Rákóczi Alliance). It's an organisation that helps Hungarians living in neighboring countries. They help Hungarians in Kárpátalja (Zakarpattia, AKA:Carpathian Ruthenia, AKA:Transcarpathia) flee from getting drafted into the Ukranian army. But they also support them in Erdély (AKA:Transylvania), Felvidék (AKA:Slovakia) and in Délvidék (AKA:Vojvodina).
Hungary goverment still trying to influence these people living there, by investing in people with Hungary ancestors, they support theyr bussiness outside of Hungary, as of now there are atleast one football first league club, each of these football clubs in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia (all, exept Austria), which is being owned by Hungarians or they related.
As long as I know, why we (Slovakia) got such a big part of land with ethnical Hungarians was - because of the infrastructure. Old Hungarian kingdom made Budapest a centre of the kingdom, so all the roads and railways went from borders to the Budapest. So if the Trianon threaty wouldn't give us this land, we wouldn't have continuous connection between west and east. And to build new roads and railways, after so many problems after finished war - would take astronomical costs. Especially, when 80% of Slovakia is covered by mountains.
Yes, I (as Slovak) also think, it was not fair to Hungarians to draw borders between and split Hungarian nation. But on the other hand, Hungarians were in that time considered very agresive and dangerous (because of aliance with Germany and very brutal Magaryzation programs).
I guess, if it would happend today, Hungary would get whole territory, where are living ethnical Hungarians.
Dispite of all extrem nationalists on both sides of the border, I wish just a peaceful and respectsful relationships with the Hungarians (as well as with all other nations and minorities).
If we will have good relationships, we can prosper all 👍
Greetings to my Hungarian friends 😉👍
Hungarian here. 90% of Hungarians think that taking away so much territory was very unfair and exaggerated (-67%), but 90% of Hungarians also think that it should be left as it is for the sake of peace.
Of course, there are extremists in every country who can be presented in the media in neighbouring countries, making it seem as if the majority of Hungarians are like them. But the vast majority think that, although this was unfair, if the Hungarians are treated well by the surrounding countries, then in the end this is not such a serious issue within the European Union. There is good relations between ordinary people in these regions. The conflicts are rare.
Perhaps only in Transylvania would an autonomous Hungarian territory be justified, because there are a large number (1 million) of Hungarians living in a block. But autonomy is all nothing more is necessary.
Unfortunately, the current Hungarian mafia government is trying to get extremist votes and incite people against each other, but most Hungarians don't like this troublemaking.
The borders can be changed however, if some great powers like USA/China/Germany etc. would like to change it.
@@paltomori4625 Are you some Russian propagandist troublemaker who is trying to make tense in Europe?
Germany is not a great power at all :) China would change borders in Europe? LOL :))
But in the EU, the non of the country wants to change borders any more. The EU countries suffered a lot in the two world wars and everyone realised (even the Germans and the Frech) anything is beter than war. In the EU anyone can travel freely, anyone work anywhere, can buy a house in any other EU country.
Political borders don't have much significance in the EU so there wouldn't be sense to change them.
Other hun here, I think it should be not left as it is, but I can't think of any acceptable solution.
@@Gil-games Then you are in the 10%. Why shouldn't be left as it is? Isn't it the same in the 21th century in the EU? Europe is going to a confederation because separated EU countries are very weak alone besides USA and China. Even the weight of Germany and France is a joke compared to the USA and China. But a confeederatve EU with a common foreign policy, common, powerful army, common tax and social policy that is something on the world map. A third superpower in the world that can have a voice at the big table.
Moreover since Russia attacked Ukraine it turned out Europe lived in an illusion. Russia is a military threat and it can make irrational steps. A powerful common army has become vital.
@@paltomori4625 Germany is not a great power. :)) Would China change borders in Eurpe? LOL :))) The USA doesn't want trouble in Europe as well.
And non of the EU coutries wants to change borders. Since you are a Hungarian let me recommend to you an excellent old Hungarian drama film set during the Second World War, "Az ötödik pecsét" , in which the wise innkeeper says: "No interest is worth fighting a war, no matter as what that interest may be presented."
Russian hasn't learned it yet.
There are like 10 million Hungarians with a language that sounds like nothing between it's neighbors and most likely will slowly disappear. The future of Hungary does not look great.
That was the magyar empire managing several ethnic groups
3 things to make it more precise, an otherwise objective and reasonably factual video. 1, the territories were not lost at war to these 3 states because: after the armistice of Padova on the 3rd of November with the Italians and the Belgrade convention of the 7th of November with the French, the Austro-Hungarian, respectively Hungarian army and administration was asked to retreat in a sign of goodwill...and fair treatment at the forthcoming peace conference, which was a French lie and deceit, such a shame!
The Serbian and Romanian armies were defeated totally previously, the Serbians were coming back from Corfu !! and the Romanians signed a peace treaty in May 1918 in Bucharest. They swapped their government quickly and declared war on French insistence on the 10th of November again....Czechoslovakia didn t existed at that time....
The war ensued in deep despair after this stupid and naive Hungarian prime minister who signed the Belgrade convention resigned, witnessing that he let half of the country being occupied by the enemy without a single shot !! Some former prisoners of war returning from Russia called Lenin-boys declared the Hungarian soviet republic and later formed a Red Army. They beated the Czechs but the French lied again, convincing them to retreat from the so called Slovakia and in exchange they would order the Romanians to retreat as well from Transylvania...
This was a deceit again, just to suppress socialism, so the army became demoralized and disorganized in the conditions of a deep societal divide between the whites and the reds , so the Romanian kingdom's army commanded by the French, the Serbian royal army and the Czechoslovak legions commanded by the italian officers went deep inside the country and the Romanians marched finally into Budapest in aug 1919 and even more west to Gyor, looting everything.
The Austrians were promised Hungarian lands because they wanted to join Germany and that was unacceptable for the French---an Austrian corporal made it to happen anyway 20 years later...
The Romanians wanted even more, up to the Tisza river, the Serbians up to the Balaton lake and the Czech as well. In their imperialistic ambition they wanted to divide Hungary totally...
The antanté forced Hungary to set up a government recognized by them the British choose admiral Horthy, who cannot become a communist being an army officer. He had to sign the peace treaty whatever it takes, otherwise the Antanté threatened to partition Hungary totally....
The Hungarian delegation was not allowed to take part in any border discussions it was forced to sign so Trianon was a dictate and therefore void ab ovo...The Hungarians asked for plebiscite in every disputed territory but this was repelled by the French...
Wilson got disillusioned and left the peace conference , the US didn't sign the trianon treaty, nor the SU !!! Italian, British, American top politicians recognized later that they made a fatal mistake , Lenin called it " a peace of robbers, gangsters forced upon their defenceless victim". Aware of this Italians and British supported the revision of the treaty and acknowledged the peaceful Vienna awards in 1938 and 1940 as legitimate. Even the French recognized it and asked for forgiveness 3 times...
2, the statistics are manipulated by the conquering states, the maps also. For example, even socialist Romania had 1.75 million Hungarians, 10% of Romania's population, 36% of Transylvania's population, Slovakia had 1 million, Serbia/Vojvodina 0.5 million. In total 38% of the Hungarina population was left outside the borders...
The minority population was put under persecution, colonisation, deportation and forced assimilation, so in 100 years their number halved, officially...Slovakia pursued "reslovakisation", Serbia committed genocide with 70,000 Hungarian civilian males killed in Vojvodina in 1944-45, the SU/Ukraine deported 1/2 of the Hungarian male population from Zakarpatiya to the gulags after 1944 (alongside 800,000 other Hungarians)
All Hungarian towns near the border were massively colonised " to secure them" and made majority Romanian, Slovakian, Serbian, Ukrainian.
80-90% of Hungarian schools were forcefully closed, real estates sized/nationalised, numerus clausus laws were introduced to prevent to formation of Hungarian intelligentsia.
The Hungarian autonomous region created by the SU was abolished by the Romanians in 1968 and ever since every peaceful attempt to reestablish it is demonized by the democratic nationalist governments...
The borders were dawn such as that the remaining Hungary be left defenceless--cutting all railway lines, depriving it from rivers, mountains---not even a salt mine was left !! the borders crossed even the danube to form "bridgeheads" and served to divert the Danube and deprive the country from its main water source !!
Czechoslovakia annexed even more territories after 1945, right for this purpose !!1 the border was dawn to be at 30 km from Budapest as to be in the range of the Czech cannons of that time...
80-90-95 % Hungarian towns like today's Oradea, Satu mare, Arad, Kosice, Unghorod, Munkacevo, Beregovo, Salonta,Carei, Sacuieni, Subotica, Komarno etc.... were left 10km outside of the border , by then half Hungarian half German 300 years Hungarian capital Pozsony was made Bratislava, inhabitants expelled, 400,000 Slovaks settled in, 85% Hungarian Kolozsvar, capital of Transylvania was colonised by 350,000 Romanians and made it 65, then 50,35,20 and now 16% Hungarian.... These borders are the most unjust in Europe, having a match only in colonial Africa, even the SU's inner borders were/are a fair play compared to this...
Coincidentally, my next door neighbor’s parents came here to Oregon, USA from Hungary 😸
Attention,they will start to magyarise you.They will declare the area to be hungarian land.
Some context kind of missing from this video on entente thinking on Hungary:
1. Hungary had a reputation, and not a good one. Hungary was notorious as one of the last places in Europe to abolish feudal land ownership, only completing the process around 1850, with the largely Hungarian land owners maintaining effective control of most of the land even outside of ethnically Hungarian land. This combined extremely poorly with both widely circulated and respected protests against Magyarization policies by minority leaders in Hungary as well as the reputation of the kingdom of Hungary as torpedoing proposals to ease ethnic tensions by granting greater autonomy or rights to other minorities. This meant Hungary was generally perceived by most of Europe as oppressive towards minorities and as impoverishing it's peoples, this sometimes took on explicitly racist tones casting the Hungarians as the oriental barbarian horde incapable of true civilization, sometimes it remained pointed at the land owning class who genuinely did not get along well with peasants, even ethnic Hungarian ones, and did often resist aspects of industrial development.
2. The maps of the area where actually kind of a problem (I think it was a french? delegate that even has a little rant about them recorded). Every country and people that had an interest in the region had extensive maps, all of which both would give them the most land, people, etc. and of course contradicted everyone else's maps. This made it very difficult to reasonable determine where lines should be drawn. Especially since running new surveys and holding plebiscites was impractical as...
3. The actual region was in chaos, violent chaos. The Hapsburg empire was not dissolved by the entente, it disintegrated under internal uprisings. The Hungarian military had started to break away from the Imperial military to focus on Hungarian interests, and it was fighting the Romanian, Czechoslovakian and Yugoslav forces. This fighting is what would ultimately be pivotal in setting the actual lines so unfavorably against Hungary. Not only where all the forces partitioning Hungary members of the entente (the Czechoslovak's had even had there legion), it was unclear if they would actually listen if the big powers told them withdraw without using military force, force that only France, who was in favor of a weak Hungary, had any willingness to provide in the region. This was capped of by a communist revolution promising to destroy the landholders, stop the territorial dissolution, and link up with the Russian bolsheviks. Given that this was not a position that featured a willingness to give up anything, the entente hated communism, and the entente had sent forces to actively fight the bolsheviks in Russia, it should not be surprising that any claim someone could take with force of arms was ultimately legitimized by Trianon.
As a side note the Slovaks generally supported a Czechoslovakia. This was also generally true of the Slavic areas that joined Yugoslavia. Both where in fact generally under control of the local uprising in favor of the concepts, trying to carve back up would probably have been a bigger violation of self determination, especially given how famously well that has gone in former Yugoslavia.
propaganda
@@wanderlewis8552 ?
@@georgesmith4768 Yes, it is the propaganda of the successor states, you may not be aware of it . Look for example at Romania where serfdom was abolished in 1907, even slavery existed--the slaves were Gypsies, mainly, then look at the whole ottoman Europe, Russia etc. Well if it was a Hungarian state for that long is normal to have the majority of its landlords Hungarian, no? Minorities were NOT suppressed---again, the Romanians had their national party in the parliament in Budapest, their churches , bishops had huge feudal estates, had nearly 3000 schools, they could use their language on every level, even in the army, so it s a very long story... 2, running plebiscites was very easy, one was held in 1921 in Sopron/Ödenburg, but none before....if it would have been held and the Hungarian delegates always asked for it---then this monstruous act wouldn't have happened or not to such a criminal extent...3, yes, it was chaos, instigated by the entente to weaken the enemy...In Russia it proved to be successful, so they tried to do the same in A-H and they succeeded with agents and so called peace propaganda !! war and peace propaganda are alternated to force regime change. Chaos for regime change and political gains is a well known recipe or scenario even nowadays, so nothing has really changed...why they didn't allow the separation of Kosovska Mitrovica? or of Catalonia, Basque country, or of Transnistria, Artsak--everyone kept quiet about the total ethnic cleansing..., Gagauzia, Palestine, Kurdistan---is a very long list ...
@@wanderlewis8552 I did try to word what I said carefully. It simply true that there where ethnic tensions in Hungary that spiraled out of control. It is also true that many of the delegates at Versailles had very poor opinions of Hungary and that many luminaries of the minority groups in Hungary where well known and regarded by much of western europe and the US. I explicitly never said that Hungary was actually actively terrible on the issues of ethnic minorities nor that any of there neighbors where exceptionally better than them (it is definitely true that Romania was impressively terrible). I was mostly pointing out that what the delegates at Versailles believed and the other extenuating circumstances, as in the video there is not any of this context and it is easy to think that the major entente powers where drawing completely arbitrary lines across and land they had only just learned anything about, which did happen to an extent in the middle east.
I’ve not really looked into Magarization or the like enough to realy be confident in personally rendering judgement on such a complex issue in such unique and complex country
@@wanderlewis8552 As for the difficulty of referendums and the such, yes the entente could have run them. If they where being fair to the hungarians they probably would have, but while the borders where being drafted it would have required the major powers to militarily intervene to create enough security to credibly run them. Given that they where exaugsted from the war, didn’t like hungary, would be angering friendly states to bowster hungary and could not even rely on Hungary being more friendly in turn given the extremism, instability , and irredentism that characterized Hungarian politics at the time, it become extremely obvious why they didn’t bother. My goal was to help understanding of why the major entente powers did what they did, not say it was fair.
Very good documentation.
And you pointed very good that the split out regions were and are inhabited in majority NOT by hungarians.
As whole regions, yes. But many parts of these regions were ethnically pure hungarian and only given to the neighbouring countries for geopolitical reasons: railways, mines, more farmland for Slovakia ect.
@@lharsaythere was not possibke to split regions into little enclaves and viliges and towns whwre the hungarians were the majority.most of them were not near the border. This is what happened to the germans in Hungary. Lots of then lived inside Hungary and those viliges and little regions could not be given to Austria because they were inside Hungary.
Great video
As a Hungarian living in Transylvania, I would consider it best if Transylvania were a separate country, like Switzerland. In the course of history, a similar state structure already existed, for several centuries under the name Transylvanian Principality. Its capital could be Cluj-Napoca and its official languages Romanian and Hungarian. A much more liberal and democratic country could be created than what exists in Hungary today, and the two nations could live together in much greater harmony than they do now in Romania. Bucharest exploits Transylvania's natural resources and sells them all to foreign companies. Both Hungarian and Romanian culture could flourish and mix in this country if people would forget the past grievances and finally look to the present.
When have Romania szekely president? I guess never :D why?
If the majority wills it so be it. But I doubt the majority of this region would be interested in such an idea that does not benefit them.
In the 1920's a treaty could have been signed to exchange people. Over a 2-3 yr period the Rumanian families living on their northern border would exchange houses, farmlands, stores, etc with the Hungarians living in central Transylvania. Then the border would be adjusted. Adjusting the borders with Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia would have been very simple to do.
The majority population in Transylvania (Romanians) already decided on this topic in Alba Iulia, 1st of December 1918. Then the 3rd large population (Germans in Transylvania) aligned their position to that of Romanians and supported unification with Romania.
Stop the bullsh.. pseodo-arguments.
Cluj-Napoca does not have natural resources. So - under your logic, the people in Mediaș should split from Cluj and burn that gas only for themselves.
Many Hungarians in Romania were Magyarized Romanians or Slovaks or Armenians or even Italians
Magyarization never existed, it was only invented by the Ceausist and propagandist Romanian historians for the fools, and they did it in order to cover up the Romanianizations that really existed and are still going on today!
@@Ταργιτάος1 Wow then I wonder why so many ethnic minorities parted from Hungary if there was no Magyarization
It’s interesting as a Hungarian that you chose the Felvidék (Lower Slovakia) flag right at the end when you mentioned Hungarian diasporic communities making flags. The first one that comes to mind are the Székelys who are a very big group within the Transylvanian diaspora itself.
Idiot😋
I dont like how everytime there is topic about Uhorsko, people start from 896. It gives feeling there really wasnt anything before. When Magyars came, there already was Principality of Nitra, Blatnohrad (Balaton) under Koceľ possesion. Yes they conquered and assimilated the areas. Principality of Nitra was still autonomous for a bit but then was also part of Uhorsko. No I dont wanna start wars, but we were living together for so long in one Empire and from 19th century all hell broke loose.
I have also one more question, is it possible that presence of Magyars in southern parts of Slovakia in 1850 could be result of Ottoman expansions? Because Hungary was really devastated in the wars and even had to swap center of power.
Great Video 😃👍
I've been on a Holiday in the South of Slovakia and we treat our Hungarian Minority really good Funfact it's weird to speak Slovak in the South of Slovakia CUZ most of the citizens are Hungarian LOL
8:37 We were not Slovaks in that time we were united in one Czechoslovakian nationality and we wanted union so that's why + they didn't want to make a weak states
Why u didnt told about hungars in ukraine
I think because thanks to the war, a lot has emigrated to Hungary or further and the last census was from 2001 so it's very outdated. If I remember correctly, there should be around a 100k according to pre-war estimates.
Well, he did. He said that the most recent data was from 2001, and that because of the war it’s unclear how many are currently still there. Thus, given that all other countries pretty much are EU members and have great statistics to draw from the same isn’t true for Ukraine.
@@matyasfukk3270 2001 number is 151k in Zakarpattia, most of them in villages (the biggest "hungarian" city is only 50% of 20k population; regional centre Uzhgorod with 100k had only 7% hungarians). And since villages were depopulationg across the whole country for 20 years, it's safe to assume that emigration to Hungary was huge. And in February thousands of men immediately rushed to the nearby border to avoid getting drafted. And poll from 2023 showed that only 1% of Uzhgorod inhabitans speak hungarian today.
I've seen estimation of 70-80k hungarians left in Ukraine, seems accurate.
Short answer: Hungarians were on the losing side in both World Wars.
Not totally true data. Harghita County, Mures and Covasna are not full of hungarians, as you show on. Plus, where do we mention the mixed ones, like me, for example? Are Romanians or Hungarians?
History, is not liable anymore, because you can' t argue with someone who's always right.
Instead of believe that we are beter one from another, relied on random facts (race, nation, eye color, etc), we better prove that we're not in vain in this Life. I'm sick of fake mesianic stories from people who have no principles. Most of people who coment here are just like that. In fact, you can't have Transylvania, is too much for one person😅, but you can buy a home here, learn in your language, marry yourself, make kids, hungarian or romanians ones, or' doesn't matter, but do something, not arguing like pussies.
Thank you!
Have a great life, real one, not in the Past!
LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCH YOUR VIDEO ABOUT MAGYARIZATION. Magyarization was perceived by other ethnic groups, such as the Romanians, Slovaks, Ruthenians (Rusyns), Croats, Serbs, and others, as aggression or active discrimination, especially in areas where they formed the majority of the population. The radical liberal revolutionary Lajos Kossuth advocated for rapid Magyarization, pleading in the early 1840s in the newspaper Pesti Hírlap, "Let us hurry, let us hurry to Magyarize the Croats, the Romanians, and the Saxons, for otherwise we shall perish." Kossuth stressed that Hungarian had to be the exclusive language in public life, writing in 1842 that "in one country it is impossible to speak in a hundred different languages. There must be one language, and in Hungary, this must be Hungarian. The Hungarian national awakening had the lasting effect of triggering similar national revivals among the Slovak, Romanian, Serbian, and Croatian minorities in Hungary and Transylvania, who felt threatened by both German and Hungarian cultural hegemony. These revivals would blossom into nationalist movements in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries and contribute to Austria-Hungary's collapse in 1918... For a long time, the number of non-Hungarians that lived in the Kingdom of Hungary was much larger than the number of ethnic Hungarians. According to the 1787 data, the population of the Kingdom of Hungary numbered 2,322,000 Hungarians (29%) and 5,681,000 non-Hungarians (71%). In 1809, the population numbered 3,000,000 Hungarians (30%) and 7,000,000 non-Hungarians (70%). An increasingly intense Magyarization policy was implemented after 1867... "The Hungarian secondary school is like a huge machine, at one end of which the Slovak youths are thrown in by the hundreds, and at the other end of which they come out as Magyars." - Béla Grünwald, adviser to Count Kálmán Tisza, Hungarian prime minister from 1875 to 1890 (Source: Wikipedia)
Fake history. Its incredible that magyarization is in Wikipédia. Kossuth was a liberal politician... it says a lot what things the neighbours lie about hungary. They say its a sin when a state has one official language... while this is totally normál. It hurts them that hungarians number kept growing after the turkish rule ended and immigrants started to assimilate.
@@timeanagy8495 In the Wikiedia, there are also the sources of the historical facts unlike such YT videos like this one. I don´t see any source of information below this video.
@@katarinakatarinova1306 yeah but these quotes are stupid. Maybe somebody said that but its misunderstood or was just a statement, not an act. For instance hunfarians fought actually for their language against german, the official language was latin in 1842. To present it like it was about magyarization is a lie.
@@timeanagy8495 you can contact Wikipedia.
Because Czechoslovak diplomats were too competent in persuading Entente to give CS territories against their own good.
Its easy, in 9th century the Hungarians came and conquered these lands and their original inhabitants by power. In 20th century they have lost several wars and lost their rule over these territories. If there was nothing wrong with being a minority in a multi-ethnic state during the Austro-Hungarian Empire, surely there is nothing wrong with being an ethnic minority in an independent neighboring states. F.E., Slovak Hungarians get special status and treatment including own Hungarian media, schools and so on, in order to allow them to preserve their ethnic identity. That is more than many nationalities were offered during some nine centuries of the Hungarian kingdom. I like and respect Hungarians, their culture and habits, but when it comes to Trianon... just get over it, you have been down the nationalism road several times and it has never served you well.
There are some little differencies... it was really not a problem in Hungary, many minorities lived in peace. Who migrated into the country, the country was almost 100 percent hungarian before the mongol invasion and most of the minorities migrated after 16-1700.
But there was problem in the New states. Minorities were oppressed, killed, terrorized. The slovak constitution still declares that the hungarian minorities have absolutely no humán rights because they have collective sins. In yugoslavia more than 1 million people were, you know, killed, in death camps or other places, it was even worse than a death camp in Poland... romania also had death camps after wwii. 100 000s of minorities were deported from slovakia, 3 million from czechia. It was a little bad, you know.
@@timeanagy8495 Are you lying on purpose or because of a failure in scholar system? How could have been this area "100 percent Hungarian" if the Slavic and Germanic population has been living there for centuries before the Magyars came, let alone the Mongols 😁 Or do you imagine the Magyar tribes came to an completely empty area or they just killed every single person upon their arival to the Central Europe?
Also, the Slovak constitution doesn't name or mention Hungarians AT ALL, and as to the minorites in general (including the Hungarian one) it guarantees rights such as no one shall be discriminated against based on their belonging to any ethnic minority or ethnic group and several other rights such as right of education in their language or to use their language in official communication. Just google Articles 33 and 34 of Slovak constitution if you have any doubts. God, can you even imagine any country being able to join the EU with a constitution like you descibed?
@@MichalBratyes, it happend with czechia and slovakia, it was a problem that their constitution, the Benes decrees well do not fit too much into the eu's laws, it includes that germans and hungarians have no rights (slovakians should give back the properties to the hungarians withou it but of course they wouldnt do that like the romanians do).
The avars lived here before the hungarians, for 250 years, they and other people assimilated to the hungarians. It was ca. 350 years between 900 and the mongol invasion, and 650 years to the turkish era... i think it is enough for assimilation... and assimilation was much faster in that time
@@timeanagy8495 You said that "the Slovak constitution declares Hungarians as people without any human rights", which is a blatant lie and has nothing to do with Edvard Benes.
Also, are you seriously saying that the Hungarians came, assimilated everyone and then the Slavs arrived several hundred years later? That is the most delulu thing I have heard from a Hungarian.
@@MichalBrat maybe some slavs always lived in northern hungary i dont know exactly. The slovakian nation came into exist later than 900, their number was not a lot for along time. Constant migrations happend, croatians czechs poles ruthenians hungarians germans, they assimilated to slovaks. Look át transylvania. Zéró romanians, then in 1918 almost 3 millions.
Because WWI happened.
3:20 "now we can understand why there were and are so many Hungarian people there, it was territory for a pretty long time" This is very poorly worded and doesn't reflect reality. It wasn't territory of Hungarian people but territory belonging to Hungarian Kingdom (Hungarian Kings weren't for very long time even ethnic Hungarians btw) and lands itself was divided between the crown (land belonging directly to the king), the nobility (which was mostly Hungarian but also locals) and the church. Land itself was however settled by non-Hungarians (in Slovakia Slovaks and Germans) except for parts where population was mixed which are and always were only regions directly bordering the core of the Hungarian Kingdom. Your wording suggest that ethnic Hungarians used to live all over the place until they were displaced by present day people.
No, hungarians lived everywhere, but later migrations happend. And many ppl didnt assimilated until 1918. (Many did) the map and this whole conception that there were not a lot of hungarians, they just controlled the lands etc. is ridiculous. Many coutries have minorities, so what? When yugoslavia was created, just in croatia 40% of the ppl were not croatian... we think of a more homogenous croatia but its wrong. You wrote about germans. They were good hungarians. They loved hungary. They had own schools universities. They were expeled deported, oppressed in slovakia, the, disappeared completely. The slovak capital was german in 1918. Germans were very sad after 1918. It was a tragedy for them. All germans disappeared from all new states. So the conception that all minorities wanted to live in another state is wrong.
@@timeanagy8495 You are wrong
@@lamebubblesflysohighhungarians are not wrong in history. We do not falsify history, we learn facts whether these are good or bad. Unlike our neighbours. By the way we even belittle our history, hungarians like to insult themselves, they are very much anti nationalsts. Thats why hungary could be robbed so easily. If anybody attacked hungary now, not á lot people would defend it. And thats why our neighbours lies are so dominant. We dont even defend ourselves against their insane lies.
@@timeanagy8495 ”So the conception that all minorities wanted to live in another state is wrong” - good to know. That applies now to the Hungarian minorities in other states. Cheers!
@@ionbrad6753 no, because they are oppressed while hungarys minorities settled down in the country and were not oppressed at all. We know that all hungarians hate their oppressors.
In Slovakia the numbers are more like 4 to 6% and that is due that a large group of roma (gypsy) people living in these regions identifying themselves as Hungarians rather then Roma.
I'm Roma and I can confirm. Not to mention Hungarian politicians were bribing people to rewrite their nationality.
How about you do a video on romanians in hungary serbia and ukraine next?
Romanian (Roma) migrants in Hungary ?
@@bujdososzekely Don't be upset! This great love of the Roma for you starts with G. Bethlen.
@@bujdososzekely they arent romanians
Back when ottomans were invading balkans, Croatia and Hungary joined a personal union. That union was beneficial to both nations and there were almost no issues between the two if u excuse Hedervary and Jelacic.
So i assume Hungary doesn't really claim those territories inside Croatia as part of their own.
Correct me if am wrong fellow magyars.
You're right. 3:02 The core state belongs to Hungary. The Croatian-Hungarian personal union operated freely. Habsburg rule caused many problems. It was a completely blood-infected ruling house. The Habsburgs' desire for power led Europe to bloodshed. The great powers took revenge with the Hungarian territories. Austria even got a piece of land from us after WW1, which is nonsense.
I think that 6% in the beginning supposed to be 60%... Just that 1 million Hungarian in Romania are already 10% of Hungarys population. Also maybe I'm wrong, but last time I read about it, it was around 16 million Hungarian around the world, almost 10 million living in Hungary.
If you include the Hungarian diaspora, the number is about that much.
Yeah, I was looking for this comment. Should be higher.
It is 6% as in 6% of all romania, same for the other countries
We are talking about the part between 0:45 and 0:55.
Thank you for talking about my country! Love from a British Hungarian! 🇬🇧🇭🇺
Hungary hate uk🇭🇺🤜🏻🇬🇧
They also did tak half our territories away.
Alliance from West he he
Good luck from Poland 🇵🇱
There may quite a few in Romania but still that doesnt change the fact that the majority is still Romanian. Its straight up stupid for Transylvania to belong to Hungary just because there are a few Hungarians there when the majority still is Romanian. Fair or not it isnt so bad now. The romanians in Transylvania during Austro Hungary were treated horribly and had little to no rights. At least the Hungarians in Romanian owned Transylvania are left alone and treated fairly.
You're clueless if you think Romania ever left alone the Hungarian minority or treated them fairly.
@@hdaNhuni mean compared to what romanians faced during austrian rule, hungarians have it very easy in romania lol
@@whywhere1768 You are joking right?
@@whywhere1768 If it was so bad why did you keep immigrating?
@@hdaNhun Dude i live in transylvania and i never see discrimination against them. Obviously there are some people that hate them but that doesnt mean the majority does aswell. As a matter of fact Hungarians in Transylvani treat Romanians way worse than Romanians treat Hungarians.
Good video.
No, Hungary should not have any of these territories. It's not ok when you are a minority to claim lands of other countries.
Yet it was ours for more than 1000 years somehow 🤔
@@matejozsa6341 ... but you had other lands in Ural mountains for 5000 years, why don't you claim those?
@@ionbrad6753 Cuz now there aren't Hungarians only Tatars and Russians
@@matejozsa6341 Details... : )
The Austrian - Hungarian Monarchy goes on. But nowadays inside Austria. Just check out any hotels in any ski area... 😂
From what i know, Slovakia has lifted the dual citizenship restrictions in 2023
Under the condition you live in a foreign country for more than 5 years or you married foreign citizen
That is an excellent question. And the answer is: Only one way to find out.
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I have come to read comments only...
Hungarian nationality never existed, there were magyars, serbs, romanians, slovaks, ruthenians but no unified hungarian nation. Latin was official state language until 19th century. With rise of nationalism magyars with dominant role supressed other nationalities and through magyarization tried to erase them. Trianon is logical outcome of that. Magyars didnt want to free other nationalities after ww1. Magyar army was kicked out of czechoslovakia by force and trianon was signed while romanian army was in budapest and half of the country was occupied.
Hungary stopped existing after trianon 1920 and there were new states magyaria, czechoslovakia, romania, yugoslavia. By calling magyaria hungary you make a claim on territories of other states based on borders of historical kingdom of hungary. Please stop it, hungary doesnt exist anymore after 1920 and hungarian nation never existed
this is the stupidest thing i have seen in a while, thank you
What are you yapping about bruh 💀 Hungariand are a mix between Magyars and Carpathian-basin population, this is a Hungarian 💀
Thank you. Finally someone made this very obvious point. So much of the questions raise in the video would not come up at all if the questioner used the term Magyar to refer to the ethnic group and the term Hungarian to refer to a citizen of the Kingdom that was broken up after WWI. Hungary didn't have any land or any people taken from it by Trianon; Hungary ceased to exist. I think every honest person looking at the post-Trianon borders, based on a combination of ethnicity, economic viability, and defensibility, would consider them about as fair as one could hope for.
As a Hungarian from "abroad" I can say it`s a good video. What it`s really missing it`s maybe the communist regimes pressure on Hungarians after WW1. On the divided lands of Hungarian Kingdom (where the damn communist were ruling) it was a sin to be Hungarian. There`s reason why Slovakia`s and Romania`s population grew, but the number of Hungarians there decreased. Unfortunately it`s not only immigration`s fault...
At about 3:15: The painting of the Battle of Lechfeld is cool because the Magyars lost to the Germans.
Quick answer - Trianon was too harsh
Considering how ruthless the Austro-Mongarian empire was, its a miracle the Allied powers didn't absolve it all together! The Treaty of Trianon reflected the atrocities the Mongarians perpetrated on neighboring peoples for close to a millennia. The Mongarians has many opportunities to demonstrate their privilege in keeping their empire, but time and time again all the showed was how inhumane they were to neighboring peoples
@@robm7163 bro, Transylvania was under Hungarian control for 1000 years before Trianon.
Yes, Magyarisation was brutal but that doesn't mean that millions of Hungarians have to be left out of Hungary. I'd say at least the strip in southern Slovakia and a bit of Vojvodina and Romania - the parts that were actually Hungarian majority (except the little thing in Transylvania cuz it would be a logistical nightmare)
It's unfair just how the modern history of Bulgaria was. Our people got separated by the central powers just because some imperialist dreams. 700 000 Bulgarians were assimilated in Serbia, the Bulgarian majority is Aegean (Greek) Macedonia and Western Thrace were deported and the ones in Eastern Thrace were massacred by the Turks.
@just_hris yep close to 1000 years of subjugation. The medieval years in Europe were a disaster. In the end justice prevailed for the Romanian people
@@robm7163 1000 years ago Romanians were nowhere, not even the name existed for them, let alone any kind of statehood. Even their initial Moldova and Wallachia principalities were created by Cumans.
@@just_hrissame happens everywhere. Bulgaria still refuse now to recognize vlachs as romanians:)
Correct title:
Why Are There So FEW Hungarians In Slovakia & Romania Compares To The Past?
Answer: there were not more hungarians before. Those were just slovaks/romanians who claimed to be hungarian because of hungarisation policy.
@@janjurik660 you seem to forget that the reason there are less and less hungarians there is because of mass deportations and forcful assimilations.
@@mydude_ don't play a victim here. We were there before you, you tried to forcefuly magyarise us, yet you still act as if this land belonged to you, and you still cry about Trianon. The deportations were a terrible thing. But you fail to see that you essentialy caused them yourselves. The reason why the Kingdom didn't work were not minorities, but rather a will of Hungarians to turn the Kingdom into an ethnostate. And only thing we wanted from you was an authonomy. Now, you can see fruits of those actions.
@@janjurik660 It is totally fake. Already a lot of Hungarians left Czechzoslovakia after the Czech occupation. And after 1945 The state forced the mainly the germans and the Hungarrians to leave the country.. They were deported. Like the nazis the jewish.. because Benes wanted to have a pure- ethnic slavic state. The deportation was stopped for the asking of Stalin finally
@@rabandris except the deportations were a consequence of Potsdam conference. And honestly, if you know history, you are the last people who should complain, since you tried to forcefuly assimilate us, and despite you having national rights in every succesor state, you still whine about Trianon being unfair. And yes, Trianon was unfair, but Magyarisation was not fair either. You have this victim mentality, but you are just a bully who was finaly punished by the teacher, even if unfairly
So what is the link with the Finnish & Hungarian language? Not alike but linked. Why?
The thory is that abaut 2000 years ago it was a single language spoken in siberia, but since then they deverged so much there is little to no relation left today. Hungarians and their relatives (many of whome still live in siberia) went south and were influanced by turkick, iranian and later slavick and germanic languages and the finns and their relatives (including estonians) went north and were influanced by skandanavian languages.
@@swabianbug Thank you, Kiitos. This has always baffled me.
@@swabianbug2000 years ago is too late. The latest date for when Proto-Finno-Ugric existed, from which Finnish and Hungarian eventually evolved from, is 4000 years ago. In fact, 2000 years ago the ancestors of Finns were already in northeastern Baltic region and had not been in the Ural region for a long, long time. 2000 years ago is closer to when Hungarians branched off from their closest linguistic relatives, the Ob-Ugrian Khanty and Mansi.
@@jokemon9547 Oh yeah you're right. I was guessing the number to be honest.😅
Yes, Hungary should have kept some territories. The borders between 1941 and 1945 were perfect. I don't want more than that. And if Hungary can't get those territories back, then I hope every Hungarians that become foreigners in their own homeland will be granted with the same rights as their overlord's citizens have. Anyone, who read this, can say, that "oh, but they already have same rights". No, they don't. Compare the Romanian/Slovakian/Ukrainian minority laws to the Slovenian one. You will see the differences. Minorities in Slovenia are treated as minorties should be treated, and all of our neighbours should take Slovenia as an example in this case
A big lie that Romania would not respect the rights of minorities. The capital of the country, Bucharest, today has as many Hungarians as a Hungarian city, but being an emancipated population, you will not hear it crying for rights. The Trianon abolished a nuisance in Transylvania, the arrogant Hungarian nobility, even with its own people.
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As for the respect of rights: Have you ever heard about what happened in Valea Uzului (Úzvölgye) in the military cemetery? If not, look it up
As for the Hungarian nobility: You are right. That's what nobilities did in the past. Not just in Hungary, but in France, England, or in the HRE. They did this to their people because they were rich and ignorant, just like most of the nobility, and not because they were Hungarians. If the Romanians would have already and Independent state in that time, the nobility of it would have done the same
Edit: pls respond to the Slovenian minority rights part pls. Have you compared it to yours? I suggest it, before write any dumb things on the internet
Aha! Delete the comments so that the truth is not revealed. Well done!
@@MaceY._. Which right is not respected in Romania, liar?
@@ionbrad6753 I am not lying. Here's a list that Slovenian minorty rights provides for Hungarians while the Romanian minority rights doesn't:
-Hungarian is recognised as an offcial language
-Hungarians can learn Hungarian in every level of education (while in Romania they only can until elementary school)
-Hungarian can be used as formal language during administartions
-At least one seat in the Slovenian parliament is guaranteed for the Hungarians politicans (but they can earn even more)
-There is an offical local council of the Hungarian minority which cooperates with the Slovenian government to make the life of the Hungarians even better and also they get funds for cultural events and constructions
-There is another international council with Hungarian and Slovenian members, which make an assembly every year alternately in Slovenia and Hungary
It is a really interesting addition to these informations. The Hungarian population of Slovenia contains 10.500 people. Which is ONLY 0.3% of the whole population of Slovenia.
While in Romania, around 1 MILLIONS of Hungarians live which is 6% of the whole population of Romania.
I hope you see the differences.
And as for what we want:
-Every rights that the Hungarian minorty in Slovenia has
-Autonomy for Székely land, where nearly 700 thousands of Hungarians/Szekelys live, and they are IN MAJORITY in Județul Harghita (Harigta megye) and in Județul Covasna (Kovászna megye). This is the minimum that we need and the Romanian government should provide, for a national minority that is as big as the Hungarian one in Romania, Transylvania.
And for the end: don't think that this is just for Romania, this is for every other neighbours of us, that doesn't respect Hungarians. So beside Romania we ask Slovakia, Ukraine, Serbia and Austria too, to act like Slovenia.
I hope you agree with me, if don't belive in any of the infos that I mentioned, feel free the look it up, I am honest with you, you will see it.
I am waiting for your response. Have a nice day!
Long story short. Versailles and Trianon were both doomed treaties and France can be partially blamed for WW2
To answer your question, the answer should be what the Hungarian delegation asked for: The will of the people, or referenda. Of course, the Allies were not interested in democracy as racist and imperialist powers (see what they did in Africa and the Middle East.) Grant our request and all will be fine.
0:45 How do you mean the 6%? What does the x mean?
Even less than 6% today.
Them magyars shouldn't have pissed off Suleiman. They probably would be in a much better place and have a lot bigger country
When we start this discussion Slovak and Hungarian my friend from Turkey is loughing. It was Turkey my friends.
Porabje is Slovenian 🇸🇮
Oh boy this will be a fun comment section
Fun fact, there are tribes of Hungarian origin in both Egypt and Sudan called Magyarabs that wandered across the Nile and the previous Kingdom of Nubia around the XVI during Ottoman times sending troops. This is why in Arabic Hungary is called al-Madjar. Also, they logically have lighter skin, but not white.
Bro cant yall stop reminding me of trianon for 5 seconds?
if you are Hungarian and you think about Trianon that only lead you to make sad, you can not do anything againts it, and if you are speaking people from neighbour countries, you can never ever agree with history
It would be fair to give some of the historically majority Hungarian populated land back to Hungary, only the small bordering lands just enough to be fair with the current states as well, and for the rest of historically lands without a majority or few Hungarians remaining it wouldn't have sense nowadays to revert back to Hungary.
Shhh... triannon was perfect, the romanians, slovaks and serbs can't admitt they commited mistakes
It was Stalin that gave Transylvania to Romania.
I don't really know now where to take sides because I'm half Hungarian half Russian
The fact that every single neighbor took a part of it says alot.