Is Orban's Hungary A Revisionist State?
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@@Hollgersson using geolayers3, an adobe after effects plugin that costs 300$
It is rather obvious that association of Orban with revisionist states, make Poland associated with those. Due to Kremlin pushed conspiracy theory of spiting Ukraine. Even if in reality government of Kaczyński, was seeking ally against Germany in EU. Due to fear of Germany receiving similar propose from Moscow (Sikorki confirmed that Russia did give him this proposition, what he reported to NATO but was ignored). When German sucking pipe and acting in denial, strongly implied could be the case. Even if now we know that Germans were honesty oblivious and eventual talks didn't go beyond Merkel, who didn't treat it seriously.
Russia strait refused Ukrainians claims of neutrality. Only pulling back to it when they army was annihilated. But at this point Ukraine do not give a shit.
Hm yet another of those bloody countries who think that just coz some of their ethnicity lives/lived in certain area it historically fully belongs to them even if the area was always multi-ethnical throught the history. It's same exact sh*t Hitler was all about. Have you learned nothing?
27:35 Sergey Lavrov is not the defence minister of Russia, Lavrov is the minister of foreign affairs
Even prominent politicians in the west are extremely ignorant. What do you expect from a regular blogger? "We are so blessed having such stupid and ignorant people our enemies", Putin said.
To be fair, it can be hard to keep track of who is in or out at any given time...
In some countries that is a same position. In Croatia, we have the ministry of defence and foreign affairs as one ministr
Sergei Shoigu is quite famously the defense minister. This was a sloppy slip up on his part, esp for a geopolitics channel
good for you
As a Hungarian, I can state that Hungary wants peace, not war! We want stability, friendship with other nations so that economy can run fast and smooth without any disturbancies. A healthy, working economy means much more than a futile war for territories. We all live on the same land, it's called Planet Earth.
As a Romanian of mixed heritage, I will say this you and I are one of the many normal people who want things to back to normal as in reason to dictate better actions, the problem or should I say problem, is very pro-imperialist in Hungary, whom like her are part of the old guard from the USSR days whom are nothing more than cutthroat bastards or robber barons that want to crown the next king,
Removing Orban is only one-half the other is removing all the cronies, by fore if necesary
Sorry to say this, but I still remember the 8 years of commies before them, they did the same thing, the only difference was that the commies sold the country to foreigners.
To Pozsonyi Katalin: That's fake news, what you're saying. This video was exemplary. I am forwarding someone's post from another such video. I got a lot of heat from trolls over it, but if I can .... well, my examples might get me punished by UA-cam, so I'll leave it: Can we finally stop calling this "a deal". You can't get more deceptive than that. He'd give Ukraine two weeks to surrender their land and people to Russia. It's called surrender, not "a deal", because none of Ukraine's interests would be taken into consideration. I'm American, but I have been living in Hungary since 2002, and I speak and study Hungarian and history and have lots of students. You don't even know your own history well. I have 24-25 flyers on this topic. All professionally translated: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yPkMtzdcZtILMSYQdx_yIpuEEdkyUssM
It says you have 3 replies, but I only see one. My previous blog has been hidden. You have a false narrative. I previously posted a longer version of this, but my info, which is more than valid and more than relevant here, has been removed or hidden. Here is a forwarded post by another blogger, perfectly stated for this occasion: Can we finally stop calling this "a deal". You can't get more deceptive than that. He'd give Ukraine two weeks to surrender their land and people to Russia. It's called surrender, not "a deal", because none of Ukraine's interests would be taken into consideration.
In a better world, the imperialists would be curbed by their people, and the minorities wouldn't be treated as second class in the neighboring countries. That is so rarely the case sadly.@@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723
I also have to argue with Putinism as an extension of the Soviet era, because you only half quoted him. Paraphrasing from memory, "The fall of the USSR was one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century. Anyone who doesn't mourn its downfall has no heart - but anyone who wants to bring it back has no brain."
Putin's rhetoric very clearly dismisses the validity of Soviet Russia and sees it as an anomaly to the natural state of Russia as a true empire. In this, he doesn't want to revert Russia back to 1990, he wants to revert Russia back to 1917 and undo the Soviet era, launch instead into full-blown tsarism.
He manages to romanticise the USSR just enough to pacify nostalgic pensioners (his main voting bloc, which matters more than one might think about democracy in Russia) but overall repudiates Soviet doctrines, rhetoric and management style. He emulates instead such as Peter the Great and other tsars in history.
Finally, someone who gets it!
So the USSR collapsing is somehow worse than the tens of millions dying due to the Great Leap Forward, or Hitler's invasion of Russia? What a joke that quote is.
@@theredscourge I can't say that I'm directly quoting him, because I don't speak Russian, and so have to rely on translators. It is possible I am misrepresenting him; it is also possible he is misrepresenting himself, playing up the tragedy for the commons and posing himself as the leader to unite Russia in the post-Soviet era.
One must remember that when a world leader makes a statement, he has many audiences. It is important to take Putin in the context of: who is this message for? Is it a message for Russians, or for the West? Many Russians do not know what the Holodomor or Holocaust or Great Leap Forward felt like first hand: they do know the economic and security chaos that was Russia in the 1990s, the massive instability that became their lives after the fall of the USSR. I imagine these are the people Putin is targeting by romanticising the fall of the Soviet state.
It should also be noted that Putin seems to genuinely believe that the cultural ethos of the world is Russian - so it doesn't matter what happens to these lesser countries. The downfall of Russia is to the detriment of everyone in the world, who ultimately take their cues from Russia in this worldview. A lot of this is based in this logical jumpfrog game of tying Russia to Greece through historically Greek lands that later came under Russian occupation (Crimea being the most prominent example). So he may also think the rest of the world can die horribly, and it would not be as great of a tragedy as the inconveniencing of many Russians.
Putin is notoriously hard to read, and I don't pretend to understand him. He is a master of vranyo. I say all this to caution against taking too simple of an understanding when he speaks. He uses words like a tactician uses mortar shells.
@@hieronymusbutts7349 You translated the quote accurately, it's just that it's an example of the distorted view of the world that Putin has. He views a disaster for Russia's geopolitical strength as a tragedy, and tens of millions dead as a mere statistic. His actions flow fairly logically from that distorted world view though, as flawed as it is.
Personally I would argue that the biggest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century was that Russia's elite managed to outlast the Communist system and more or less stay in power, bringing the same authoritarian mindset with them, which is why Putin has basically been able to pull all the strings since 2001 - because he does so with the consent and support of the Russian elites, such as rigging their elections and eliminating or imprisoning the competition.
Non biased correct translation would be "one of the largest tragedies of the 20th century"...
That was completely true for the tens of millions of soviet citizens, whose life was ruined due to the collapse of the economy and new borders that split families of all soviet ethnicities, not only russian, or who just died in the criminal or interethnic conflicts that followed.
Hungary did not lose Croatia in Trianon. The map you are showing at 3:00 says "Countries of the Hungarian Holy Crown" that is a personal union of Hungary and Croatia. Croatia was a separate entity.
Plus there was no "Hungarian Royal Navy" stationed in Fiume. There was only an Austro-Hungarian navy that was stationed in Pola and Cattaro (Pula and Kotor) while Fiume (Rijeka) was the commercial port of Hungary. (That city did not belong to Croatia but Hungary.)
Perosonal union? Wtf fiction is that? Like Serbia was in "personal union" with Ottoman empire, America was in personal union with Britain, Tibet in personal union with China...
@@alexandartheserb7861 Fiction? When Stjepan II died in 1091, ending the Trpimirović dynasty, Dmitar Zvonimir's brother-in-law Ladislaus I of Hungary claimed the Croatian crown. This led to a war and personal union with Hungary in 1102 under Coloman.[53]
@@swinfeflue You mean Trpimirović from Knin throne which was untill 1995. settled 90% with Serbs? And Stjepan=Stefan, it was Nemanjic dinasty crown title. Read own Mavro Orbini from Dubrovnik 1600. Kingdom of Slavs and you will understand it better
@@alexandartheserb7861 bro Croatia had special status under the personal union. It is called a personal union in history books.
@@swinfeflue And mouse is called Mickey Mouse in books but Im talking about reality
Hungary is not a micro-state. That's a stupid comment. Monaco and San Marino are micro-states.
The whole video reeks of bias.
"Bias" meaning doesn't justify autocrats wanting to conquer lands?@@dchri18
I think he meant minor.
@@dchri18 The video must have been made by some pro-USA smartie! My message to him: More migrants, more migrants, more migrants!!! Then talk about it!
"The amoral West is bad and Christianity is a bulwark against Islam.
Now let me tell you about my plan to get closer to amoral China and a nostalgic Turkey."
Great job there, Mr. Orban.
Germany's biggest trade partner is China.
Islam is taking over Russia and Erdogan is basically an islamist. China is even a communist country. I find it weird how plastic identity politics can get.
I am not opposed to nationalism or even irredentism in some cases, but it really is not obvious to me what do these all these players have in common to build on. Russia takes what Russia can from European countries and its sympathizers can hope to become at most like Belarus, completely deprived of any power on their own.
It is sad that Hungarians don't always seem to remember who their enemies and opressors have always been.
Turkey and china are civilisation states that focus heavily on heritage, the west is ashamed of their heritage and is purposely replacing it. Doesn't take a genius to understand orbans thinking
NOT A GREAT JOB AS ORBAN IS A THICKO
@@anthony64632 Perhaps, but you don't appear intelligent either. Fully capitalized sentences don't enhance your voice.
Speaking of voice, I wonder why YT doesn't display my previous comment here.
Hungary didn't loose "his territories" these territories didn't belong to Hungary they where annexed and belonged to other people and kingdoms before Austria-Hungary even existed, so you can't be mad about loosing territory which you stole in the first place.
So, it serves Orbán to "remember" 1919, whilst ignoring 1956.
..and 1848, another freedom fight crushed with the help of the russians. For some magical reason all the commemorations mentions only Austria but actually the russian empire sent even more men than the austrian army.
I'm not joking when I say that the current party line is "1956 was just as much Ukraine as it was Russia, but also present day Brussels is worse than 1956 Moscow." they literally say this.
Heck! Even worse, credulous voters believe such waffle.@@lvvgyk
@@lvvgyk Yup, saw it this past month. It's despicable, get out of EU if you hate it like that.
And ignored the Holodomor
As a Hungarian, I am sure in private, Orbán is revisionist, however I don’t think he will ever publicly and explicitly admit it or act on these sentiments. He is also only revisionist towards territories lost to Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine and Serbia. In my opinion he knows that in the past decades most of these territories lost the majority or all of their Hungarian population and reacquiring them would not be worth the international isolation any such action would bring with it.
Well he well damn already admitted his revisionism several times...
Greater Hungary on his clothes.
Greater Hungary in his office as a map (not Hungary, just greater one)
Talking about "stolen" poets in Croatia.
Talked of stolen lands in Slovakia and Romania, as well as referred to them as the regional Greater Hungarian territories...
All publicly... Most caused diplomatic "incidents".
He just won't go forward because he is entirely blocked from doing so.
I am afraid, that if what he publicly and explicitly admits doesn’t even describe his private revisionist opinions, that I would had puke if I knew what he thinks.
@@tomasvrabec1845 "He just won't go forward because he is entirely blocked from doing so.
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He can't go forward. Hungary is weak, small, and relatively poor.
You need term limits my friend, or start learning how to speak mandarin chinese. Once Orban realizes its Xi that keeps him in power, he will sell Hungarian culture to the chinese and your identity as Hungarians will be smashed. As long as Orban remains on Xi's payroll, though, all is good for him. And you will find, that just like in Belarus, your election results will have absolutely nothing to do with the will of Hungarians.
This is why Russia needs to lose. If Russia doesn’t lose then the tyrants across the planet will be emboldened to restore thousand year old grudges
Orban: We are bulwark againts islam. Therefore, Turkey is our best ally ... what ? :D
😂 seems like he wants his European identity but Golden Horde values
bullcrap.... backstabbing toads is what they are, history shows it !
I was just thinking the same thing 👍
@@ISLAMMEHMEDOV Godzilla had a stroke reading this and fucking died
Against Islam in EUROPE, not against Islam in their own Islamic countries.
Hungary lost 72% of its teritory not 60%
Hungarians are free to revert to their true territory in the Urals mountains- great place, much closer to the beloved putin-khuilo, China and the Turks world:). I am sure Hungarian politicians will not like the idea because there would not be any subsidies and funding from the EU.
@@theeyeofthebeholder7099 and so are you valachians back to the balcans wher you come from
Thanks for telling us to stay where we are as of now, atleast there wont be hungary on our border anymore
As a Hungarian, I was raised in a "If you don't feel pain about Trianon, you aren't even Hunagrian" spirit... but I fail to see how the EU didn't solve most problems that ever came from it. Borders don't mean anything now, you can travel from the Adriatic Sea to the Tatras without looking for your passport.... I don't know why we fight against that...
Politicians want citizens to feel pain because it is great populist tool to grow power around. Either Hungarians let the wound heal and move on or they will be dammed by their own ruling class to suffer in anger while other nations will flourish in prosperity of friendship and cooperation. Politicians don't care about Hungarians' feelings, they don't want them to be happy and content because it is hard to manipulate such people, on the other hand angry and bitter people are easy to manipulate. Politicians surely know that within NATO and EU redrawing borders is unlikely but they will keep the wound open just because they know it will be at least easy to get reelected and voters will be too bitter at the ghosts to notice that they are being manipulated. It is actually crazy how obvious it is that whole "lets build the society upon Trianon" idea doesn't have a 'good' outcome with salvation unless whole Europe collapses and Hungary somehow aligns itself with some alliance which will allow it to retake lost lands. Either way it is so unlikely or so fake used purely for manipulation that in vast majority of historical outcomes Hungarians will continue suffering from anger and bitterness being injected to them by their ruling class just because it is easier them to manipulate and not because undoing Trianon is even remotely likely.
As a Hungarian I can tell this person is telling you all a people pleasing lie. You "were raised If you don't feel pain about Trianon, you aren't even Hunagrian" is simply not in the proximity of truth. You were thought a lesson that you compleatly ignoring the meat of. We like everybody on this planet learn about our own history because noone else will. I am pretty sure that nobody expects the Chinese to feel good about the century of humiliation or the Polish to not care about the partitioning of their country. Also teaching facts about said history and a teacher being there who demands that you know them are not extraordinary at all. Do people think about what they had been though? Why would not they? "I was raised" uuuhh my... I was forced to feel pain.... ooo my... like I should insert a picture here from the movie Clockwork Orange..... Only thing you have been forced to is learn like anyone.
Good to see the "wind of change" in the Hungarian youth.
@@gergelyoskolas182 it's definitely real, I have heard the very same thing not just from family but also from my all my history teachers
Schengen and EU are not the same thing
Croats and Hungarians lived surprisingly harmonious in the past 900 years! That's like unheard of in the Balkans, it's got a be some kind of a record :) Only exception was 1848 and then during Khuen Hedervary regime at the turn of the century.
We're so intermaried, most Croats have some hungarian ancestry (myself included) and vice versa. Common surnames like Horvat in Hungary or Mađarec in Croatia are a proof. I find Fidesz politics shameful and disgusting and I don't understand ordinary Hungarians who vote for them. Viktor Orban brings further instability to an already unstable region, he is throwing a boomerang and thinks it's a spear.
I totally agree with you my croat friend, Viktor Orban is a Neo liberal like any ordenary/average EU politician, but in the propganada in hungary, he is usually proposed as "saviour of the hungarians" and a "great conservative mind" or a "famous conservativ thinker around the world" he is like Mathias Rakosi, who was the leader of the commi hungary in the 50s, and you know he s titels were the same expect in he s version, insted of conservative, it was communist........
The most intresting thing in hungary, that as a middle class citizen nothing seems too bad, because we always hear from the news and from the TV that "our nation is proudly standing against the imigrant floud" etc. But you know when you realize the literally EVERYTHING what they say is a bullshit, and the price of 1kg bread is above 3,50 euros, the oil is very expensive too, the gas prices are high as f, and the prices of an appartment is literally cost like 105344,67 euros (and it is like 70 m'2 long appartment) and cost of the building materials is also high as f, than you may start concidering that this political system and goverament is f d up, and if it is not enough than you should know that the average payment in hungary is between 526,72 euros and 921,77 euros, which is very very low compared that they take the 1/3 part of it because taxes and other sht things........ Sir if you are intrested more about this kind of suffering life style, then you can ask for more if you respond here in the comments....
I have only one question to you my croat friend....
Do you think that the croats and the hungaryans could live toghether in a personaly union, as they did for almost a 1000 years?
Thank you for your answer ❤ from hungary.... God bless you all great Croatians!
Hungary is playing a very negative role in the unity and integrity of the EU and that won't fly for long. As we know no good deed goes unpunished, but evil deeds are another thing whatsoever. There are no coincidences, its all matter of actions and causalities. Hungary and Slovakia are currently an outlier who will only suffer from lack of cooperation and shows a lack of common sense, which is shameful to say the least.
@istvanabai2566 wish I could give you more likes. A lot of that going around. Peace upon you and those you love. From the U.S.A
@@istvanabai2566 Thank you for the sincere reply. As for personal union (that existed for centuries) I don't see how that could happen, there would first have to be a shared monarch - Hapsburgs were the last dynasty who wore Szent Istvan crown. Would Hungarians want a Hapsburg in charge in the 21 century? Croats certainly wouldn't. Also, Croatia is a republic and so is Hungary. We paid for our independance with a lot of blood not that long ago. Besides we already are together in the EU, isn't that enough? Cheers from Horvatorszag ;)
@@natkojurdana9673
Thank you for your replie, i agree with your reply, and don t forget that we hungaryans and croats, have the same enemy, the serbs, and i hope that if there will be any conflict between the serbs and the croats, we hungarians can give you a helping hand, as we did in the yugoslav conflict in the 90s...
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The past two world wars Hungary was on the losing side, not necessarily a trend but interesting tidbit
The winners rarely lose, and the losers rarely win.
And then on the losing side in the cold war. It`s very reassuring that they`re with Russia, China and Turkey now. It just shows that no matter how bad things look, it will all be fine in the end.
Hungary has been alot on the wrong side of history.
It is a fairly obvious reason that the restoration of Trianon's injustice dragged him into the war and German expansion.
@@Andre-by4suHungary and Turkey Nato membership. So you have a little disturb.
An English journalist makes a report with an old Hungarian man:
- I would like you to tell me about your life.
- I was born in the Kingdom of Hungary and studied there, then I started working in Romania. Later I got married in Ukraine and now I am retired in Slovakia, but unfortunately my children rarely visit me because they don't live in this country.
- You had a very busy life, that you were able to travel so much.
- Ah, I didn't even move out of my hometown, only the borders of the country often changed around me according to the interests of power.
Mulțumim Imperiului Austro-ungar.!😭
This channel sounds like Soros shills and corrupt corporate media propagandist.
That doesn't exactly work. Perhaps in modern Zakarpattia(Carpathian Ruthenia) which went from Hungary>Czechoslovakia>Carpatho-Ukraine>Hungary>Soviet Union>Ukraine, but those countries you mentioned never shared territory.
The video omitted one salient fact: Hungary has been for all intents and purposes, a maquiladora for German manufacturing companies (as has other lower wage Eastern EU countries like Czechia, Poland, etc.). The problem with being a maquiladora is that they are prey to slumps of the parent company's sales.
You are right. Problem is that local political class is too stupid, lazy and corrupt to create conditions for growth of local businesses. So we need thos german investments...
Wages in Eastern EU are no longer low and only Hungary and the Czechs are dependent on German companies. The ridiculous situation is that Hungarian manufacturing is also dependent on Russian energy so they're facing a double crysis.
@@leme5639 Slovakia and to some extent Romania too, only Poland has a substantial economy that is not owned by foreign investors.
@@AB8511 The real problem is in 1990 the traitor local post-communist elite sold out the country almost for nothing to western firms. Hungary had "goulash - communism" which one the early form of capitalism and accumulated national treasure and created companies. The Western firms first brought up all of them then was destroyed directly to reason not being a competitor of the western firms any hungarian one...
Fair but what is the alternative really? Unemployment or farming economy?
you could make a similar video about austria, also loosing terretory in czechia slovakia, and most importantly Südtirol, yet revisionism is not much a popular idea here
What do you mean? Isn’t this channel Polish?
It is a sign of disfunctioning. Normal
countries cope with reality in a normal ways, Hungary started to believe in tales. Pretty scary, how orban can sing them, and they fully believe him.
Yes since Austria was the head of the state not Hungary. Austro-Hungaria failed to be a functional state because it was so multi-ethnic. It’s also why they didn’t win a single battle in the war they started. WWI Started not because archduke Ferdinand was killed but because he was no longer there to check the ambition of his field marshal to go to war whom he had rejected request to go to war no less than 16 separate occasions.
You do not have much minorities in Slovakia... As four the South Tirols, the German speaking Volk got languages right. Look a the language law in Ukraine and weep.
@@kashmirha stroking the ego of the common man is how you get him to die for you, you start by getting him to blame your enemies for his problems.
You can't say Hungary lost 5 million people to Romania,3 millions of those people were Romanians.
its not true...
@@agostonszabo8211 what is true?
@@aiurea1 after trianon until 1990 all big cities is 90% (60%-90%) hungarians... so matematicly its not true. Under trianon talking (my english is bad, i talk about when trianon is happend and the leaders talk with each others) their minister of ethnic (how much % is the Hungarians, Tót, romanians,( all other 30 human type) of the population) he said the hungarian map is more correct map then the romanians, serb, slovaky map... and our map is said that % thing. If i remember well, 1 citties is near 95% hungarian... most of the cittoes is around 70%. So because their minister said who actualy not use our map its mean we have right (just hes job is not to be fair), so its not 3 million of that is romanian... székely and Hungarian mean the same, this is why, i know in the romanian school, most of the time they said these lie, and bullshits but i search a lot in the internet and i find a lot of proof, and these proof is not from wiki pedia (the wiki is give the right to hungarians to but not just that).
@@s.i.3556 that can be
@@agostonszabo8211 There were 3.2 million Romanians in Transylvania by 1910. 3.5 by 1920. This is according to Hungarian censuses. Also, the cities maintained an artificial Hungarian majority, but as soon as you went outside of them, everybody spoke Romanian for a reason. The reason why Romanians penetrated the cities only after Trianon is because prior to Trianon it would be almost impossible for Romanians to buy or build anything in the confines of the city. Hungarian mayors and city councilors would not grant authorizations nor allow the selling of land and buildings to Romanians.
There are only a few people in Hungary who seriously think that the lost territories must get back. I'm hungarian nationalist, but I can see the reality. Percentage of the Hungarian minority In Roumania is 6 %, in Slovakia 8 %, in Ukrain 0,27 %, In Serbia 3,5 %, in Croatia 3 %. Who says that the revision of treaty of Trianon has some reality wants evil for all people who live here in this part of Europe.
Wrong. You view those statistics from the whole country as a whole not the region in which the Hungarians reside. You are anti-Hungarian. Never call yourself a "nacionalist" again.
Oh yea.. because we can just casually ignore how they ethnicly cleansed entire towns. Or how the very reason hungary is a minority in those areas is because they genocided us.
How about counting the population percentage in just the Hungarian part of those countries (occupying powers)? Of those you mentioned only Felvidék is fully Hungarian, and in its case the Hungarian population is all concentrated along the border.
Today in European politics the territorial integrity is the non plus ultra. What if you change your view and you do not count every time how many of you remained and where? Was there a public vote in 1920? No. Then it was a dictatum, mere agression, to use the word popular today (in every other case). Have you considered this before? Reuniting is not meant on an ethnical basis, since ehnical arguments were rigged from the start. If it had not been the situation like that, 3 millions of Hungarians would not have fallen on the other side of the borders. (Hungary has to prove (and it can) that everyone benefits from a reunited Carpathian basin. Ethnical arguments, like yours, and like today's Hungarian main views are dead ends. They lead to nowhere.)
@@militaryorchid7937 You cannot convince a Romanian that a reunited Carpathian Basin is good for him. This is mere nonsense your vision. In a united Europe with full minority rights there is no need to change borders.
Trying to play two or more sides while having nothing to offer spells annihilation in any language.
You hit the nail on the head.
Only if you think in the framework of rivalry. Once you draw in the framework of common interest, it becomes much more sensible to be on good terms with many.
Hungary is on the side of NATO when it comes to war conflicts. Currently Hungarian troops are in several war zone among NATO forces. But geopolitics is an other issue. While the US has maintained it’s trade with Russia or China, why on Earth can’t we have the same pragmatic economic relations with these countries?
This is a very shallow @@KolostoriGabor-mc3wi This is a very shallow view Gaby. Of course, Hu has to honor it's engagement with NATO. The point is however that the irredentist views in Hu are at all time high hence Orban sucking Putin's cock at every opportunity.
Putler was going to redrew Europe's borders and promised Orby some of lost Hu territories. Well, that's all up in flames now and Hu has no friends. Hu on the wrong side of history. Again. Minden yot boratom.
Hungary doesn't have the demographics, money or military capability to achieve their territorial ambitions.
Thats why they need to make "deals" with devils like putin and jinping.
But they sure as hell like to hang out with the gang of dictators who would grant Orban's every little wish in return for political favors.
It's just the ideology and narrative orban use to maintain legitimacy. The same old ethno nationalism BS.
Probably because it was all unfairly ripped away from them
@enclave8310 thats what happens when you lose a war
There was no Hungarian Royal Navy. There was the kaiserliche und königliche Kriegsmarine, or k.u.k. Kriegsmarine, part of the common (gemeinsame) armed forces controlled by the war ministry in Vienna.
There was no naval equivalent to Austrian Landwehr or Hungarian Honved, the supplementary land forces of the two halves of the empire.
Even the Danube Flotilla was fully controlled by the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine.
The k.u.k. Kriegsmarine naval ensign was always the red-white-red Austrian flag overlaid by the shield in the same colours, under the imperial crown.
according to the Ausgleich, the Ministry of Defense was controlled by both crown-states
@@Csongor-wo4le - No, it controlled by the emperor as supreme commander, who appointed the war minister and officers.
@@TenOrbital You just agreed with me because the Emperor is also crowned Hungarian King
@@Csongor-wo4le - 🙄 Nope. You're playing with words. The Hungarian crown-state government did not control the navy, even in part. The most power it had was over funding through the annual delegations' common budget process.
@@TenOrbital Miklós Horthy is the most prominent evidence for Hungarian control over PARTS of the Navy. Of course, the War Department and the Emperor had the final word. It's not my intention to play with your words, it's just that your statements are PARTLY contradictory.
I am a hungarian and I do not want any revisions. You know what I want? Good international relationships and economic prosperity. Easy, nobody wants to die for a bygone era.
yeah but most of your people (the youth and a lot of old farts) want the stupid kingdom of hungary back, thanks to orban and old maygar farts being salty about wwi. tbh it would be better to take more hungary lands, mainly for romania and slovakia to protect them more, focus maygars outside of hungary to assimalate or get out like the germans in czechia and poland after wwii. Bc otherwise hungary is too much of a risk for all the nations bordering it, where romania and the other nations will have to beat their ass again like in 1919 where romania invaded budapest.
@@dannyboy218 Hungary is no risk. It is all bark and no bite. Orban needs fodder for his electoral popularity and what better way to look good in front of it by acting as the defender of all Hungarians within and outside the country. He also needs to shower the Hungarian communities in Romania, Serbia and Slovakia with stuff so that they can keep voting for him and his party.
100%
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth :) :) :) You give a great review of a country you've heard of but don't live in. You're just trying to assert someone's interest. :) How do you evaluate the practice of the US presidential election, eg the relationship between Donald Trump and Joe Biden? The USA evaluated the conversations between the leaders of the Soviet Union as "conversations of the dying". There was nothing to blame in their person or appearance. (they didn't shake hands with the wall, etc.) They were right. How is the president, who is the symbol of the USA, evaluated now?
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth why shower them? Like can Hungarians outside of Hungary vote? Bc if so that makes no sense if some 18 year old now who lived their entire life in Serbia and their parents did too have a Hungarian citizenship. That’s a conflict of interest as the maygars outside of Hungary don’t care too much of Hungary’s policies as it doesn’t effect them. Like how the maygars in Hungary don’t give a fuck about what maygars outside of Hungary want as they don’t pay taxes and why should they get benefits of both Hungary and Serbia government for example? And last that’s more likely to cause uprisings in slovakia Romania and Serbia as a lot of radical maygars outside of Hungary can vote for someone like orban who probably has the Hungarian military make up war plans to invade its neighbors when the time is right. Like seriously I believe orban and his government have a lot of spies in Romania and Slovakia as they keep illegal visting those nations and sending funds and buying lands in those nations and others to prompt maygars in those nations, which idk why tf the European Union didn’t do anything about it, so when the time is right many maygars in slovakia and Romania cause a civil war to disrupt those nations and then Hungary invade when the maygars inside Romania and Slovakia damage the nation and army a bit
Nobody will ever accept the hungarian joke again!
and Hungarians would never accept the foreign joke ever ... our entire history proves that ..
all the rest of our neighbours just subjugates itself cowardly to the big powers ... only the Hungarians resist .... pffff
As a fairly old Hungarian, I think the Trianon-mania strengthens when we are relatively unsuccessful at present, and weakens when we are successful. During the socialism, we were relatively successful compared to our socialist neighbours. Nobody was crying on Trianon. When the socialismus collapsed and there was an economic downfall, the Trianon-mania outbroke. Then during the economic crisis of 2006 strengthened again, and now when we see how the Romanians and Slovakians became more developed, this crying is louder again.
So the fact that dirty politicians stole most of our country doesn't matter to you?
With the economic problems of the last period, the nationalist and sovereignist trend is artificially growing in Romania as well. Politicians - who are inherently hypocritical and immoral - prefer to blame foreigners, rather than admit they were wrong
After fall of communism Hungary imported / get donations of military technic /tanks, armoured vehicles ,guns, cannons from East Germany stock
In this way was more equipped then all non soviet states .
Now they don't have Patriot, Himars .,Reaper drones ,F16, .
Romania and Poland do and in future F35 stealth aircraft
Military now Hungary get the TRIANON 2.0 .
Nobody was crying Trianon, because in commie times whoever said anything about Trianon was locked up.
Te idióta barom.
That is correct my grampa said simular things.
As a Hungarian myself, I would like to point out, that the percentages on the support of certain topics may be misleading, as they are not a country-wide research, rather a subsection, who are mostly on the lower end of the social and economic scale, hence influencing their opinion is significantly easier.
On revisionism - please keep in mind, that Hungary, despite not starting WWI (ruled by the Austrian Emperor), have lost more of it's population and landmass than e.g.: Germany, with Hungary losing 325411 square kilometers opposed to 69929 square kilometers, 72 % compared to 10%. With these facts, having to cross borders just to visit a third of your wider family significantly influences daily life even without the additional toll of loosing our resources. Hungary will always remember to the Trianon treaty as one, which tried to cripple our nation, heritage and economy, and have benefited others significantly. Therefor while revisionism is not a solution and the majority would not support it, it will likely remain a fond thought - at least in theory - for most Hungarians. Capitalizing on this is simple populism, with no real intentions behind it...
what do you mean "having to cross borders just to visit a third of your wider family", you do that only with your identity card. You had to travel the same distance as before
There are still borders, which may be closed for national reasons, and there are areas - namely to the east and south - which are not part of the Schengen area.
Also please bear in mind the social and mental effects of visiting your relatives in another country - despite it was not their intent to end up on the other side of a border. This is not the same as opportunism to the "western" states.
I am not promoting revisionism, just to make this clear.
However if what you say is thue, than what was the point of establishing sovereign nations in the first place instead of a then "central" government, which would have had the chance to create a strong economy based on the collective resources?
And to note: while free border crossing is considered normal, even I remember the days, when you have been stuck at border checkpoint for up to 24 hours - which may or may not return.
@@isunembizsu or, your relatives can move. You're free to travel.
Also, talking about exceptions with border control instead of the free movement rule is useless, as I can too debunk any rule that worked for a long time with just 1 exeption.
Austria and the netherlands are in charge of schengen so you're barking at the wrong tree there. Everything else is blabla. Not your lands, not your rules. You want relatives close? Just move. But no, you want your cake and to eat it too. Case closed
@@vardekpetrovic9716 kosovo is not serbia, your point is invalid once. 2nd invalidation comes from the fact that hungarians aren't even on the ethnic composition of kosovo map, so their numbers are so tiny they don't matter. Case closed, you're out
totally out of touch view point of yours. How can u say free to travel? At covid, any foreign conflict like in ukraine U COULDN'T visit your family or u have to flee from a country to a anouther. U know how many hungarians fled Ukraine just because of the war? Its not the same situation ever to live in a different country. The Standard of living is not really different but the rest is hard to live by. Discrimanation or vistiing family across the border.@@kysfggt
This is basically a long form cnn/bbc article (that is an insult)
Now I understand why Tucker Carlson loves Victor Orban.
For that amount of money you you would also love him
LOL 🤣
Both Carlson and Orban are thick
I have a gaming buddy from Hungary and as a result I have learned a lot about this beautiful country. thankfully he isn't on the Orban Express, but the dive into Hungarian history is an interesting one.
You don't know Hungarians completely, because you don't want to know the right wing. You know a lot of lies and therefore draw wrong conclusions.
All Hun's have an obsession with recent their history. It's part of Orban's propaganda.
Hungary is far from a being a beautiful country. Flat as pancake, boring, conservative and unsafe.
@@Horizontal77 Nobody knows Hungarians completely.
@@Subher0 This is true. Anyone who really knows Hungarians realizes that he doesn't know them. I don't understand half of it, but I don't really understand the other either, even though I'm Hungarian.
@@Horizontal77 I would've guessed you were, and I am not. The OP does not assert it either.
But to assert that what the right in Hungary is about is an unknown to people is silly and untrue. At least, that is what I draw from your statement.
The right wing leadership, a.k.a. Orban, has little interest in the wellbeing of Hungary or Hungarians compared to his interests in power and the retention of it. Any narrative the right spins is in service to that first, and other things second.
Hungarians are humans just like the others, and are influenced and conditioned in exactly the same ways. So, we don't have to understand "all Hungarians", to whatever degree that is even possible.
In the culture of my people there is an expression "The dog that barks does not bite" So Orban can bark as much as he wants.
Orban can keep dreaming forever! 😅
Hungarian myself, and as others point out, this is a well research overall solid video on the topic, but as a native... I would argue one of the points on some level. You dismiss Hungarian Turanism as pseudo-scientific (the theory that Hungarians and modern Turkic people share common ancestry, culture etc..) but this is an oversimplification of a more complex picture. The scientific consensus currently clearly agrees that Hungarian is an Uralic language, and it's closest relatives in the Uralic language family are the Ugric languages of the Mansi and Khanty people. This is fact. What is also fact however, that an incredibly significant part of old Hungarian words are from Proto-Turkic / old Turkic. You can research this in linguistic studies done on the subject such as "OLD TURKIC LOAN WORDS IN HUNGARIAN" by Árpád Berta and András Róna-Tas (2002). The sheer number of Proto-Turkic / old Turkic words in the Hungarian language outweighs the number of original Uralic words by significant margin (especially if you try to find words outside of the Mansi Khanty connection), which leads many scientist to believe the Hungarians in their steppe horseman era were at a time bilingual or at least lived very closely with Turkic tribes. In the early bloom of linguistic studies there was a war between Uralic and Turkic connections in the Hungarian language and there were supporters of both theories. Hungarian belonging to the Uralic tree was supported by the base words, and linguistic systems... while Turkic / Altaic connections were supported by the sheer number of Turkic words. There is so much to say on this debate... both in some ways both of these are correct. Hungarian is an Uralic Language BUT Hungarian is closely connected with Proto-Turkic / old Turkic dialects. Very clearly the early history of Hungarian people IS connected with Turkic people like it or not... that is not pseudoscientific, but obvious... and one would not be surprised given how they were horse archers from the steppe... The Byzantine emperors basically called the Hungarians Turks. The Christian Crown of Hungary that is a holy symbol of the state has a Byzantine Icon which portrays one of the kings of Hungary and literally says: "ΓΕΩΒΙΤΖΑϹ ΠΙΣΤΟϹ ΚΡΑΛΗϹ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΑϹ" Géza, faithful king of the land of the Turks, and I could list a hundred additional points. Clearly early Hungarians are Turks had a LOT in common, and therefore it's simply wrong to think Turanism is some kind of fairytale. Perhaps some of the wilder claims of Turanism are incorrect, but it is easy to understand that the core of it has very solid scientific basis. There are also quite a few important words from old east Iranian languages in Hungarian... many of which can be found in the language of the Alans and today Ossetians. Again... it's complicated.
I appreciate the sensitivity and sophistication of what you wrote, but isn’t it weird to start a short essay with: “Turanism is pseudoscience” and then spending a million characters explaining how your starting thesis is actually incorrect?
I think we can confidently declare that Turanism was considered as pseudo-science until modern genetics literally proved the Iranian theory right.
How could ever anybody think that it’s not true, when we almost literally share the word “mother” with modern Turkish is beyond me.
I’ve heard finnugric propagating people claiming that we have only started using the word “Anya” during the Turkish occupation 🤦♂️ I’ve needed to pull up the Tihanyi Apatsag’s founding letter from 1055 on Google to prove them wrong.
I’ve also heard an Iranian friend saying that Persia has effected Turkey, and Turkey effected Hungary during the occupation… just another ignorant idiot really.
I also have a Slovak friend who thinks Hungarian’s eastern origin is just Slovakian anti-Hungarian propaganda…
I think people like you and me who are interested in this matter are very lucky to live in the era of genetic research.
32:18 this Turul bird is also a Turkic thing i think. it is called Tuğrul in modern Turkish and derived from Turkic tradition. for example one of the few things known about the father of Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire, is that his name was Ertuğrul, literally means male falcon. Tuğrul and Ertuğrul are male names still used in Turkey and some other Turkic countries.
@@mda990Awesome information, thank you!
Hi! very interesting video! I was wondering if you could explain what your sources were for this video? The sources in the bio are a little unclear. thank you!
The propaganda of DK, Momentum, and all the left parties 😄
I am a Hungarian from Budapest. I have been following the political life in Hungary for almost a decade. This video gives a great, comprehensive and accurate picture of the country's political set-up, dependencies and problems. For those of you from abroad who might be interested in the situation here, this is the best video I have seen on the subject.
As a romanian from Kolozsvar, I think Victor Orban losts his minds. He came here this summer and denied sovereignty of Romania. All the romanians from here were schocked. For Victor Orban we, 80% of Transilvania population don't exist. I have many magyar friends and work colleagues including the szeklers. Tell me, why he did this? Do You know how many romanians from north Erdely died as hungarian heroes in Russia? They rest in peace at Rudkino cementery. Verify yourself. My great grandfather was one of them. He died for Orban's arrogance. We wanted to belive in friendship with hungarians from Hungary but for you, we don't exist. Orban does the same mistakes like hungarian politicians before Trianon. We didn't exist for them, also. That's why we wanted to unite with Romania. It's sad because as a romanian I can't imagine Transylvania without our magyar friends.
@@madalinamuntean4684 Thank you for your feedback, as a Hungarian I am sorry about this.
It is good to see you have friendly relationships with Hungarians/Székely Hungarians.
The current situation with neighbouring countries is not that great.
About the initial comment, I almost agree, it might need a bit more balanced opinion but I can not support our current goverment on many things unfortunately. Cooperate with the west has opportunities but it is very very false if we would live like people in China, Russia or even Turkey.
... I had hope in 2022 but the country did not vote against them, for most of the people here seems like the governance is ok
Greetings from Hungary, Budapest, originall from Baranya, Pécs.
@@danielvarga_p Transilvania is above of all a spirit statement. Karoly Kos spoke about transylvanism. Miklos Bannfy also. Did You know that Miklos Banffy saved Kolozsvar in WWII, as foreign minister of Hungary? That's why, the germans burned his castel from Bonchida. He loved so much Transylvania, especially Kolozsvar. I'm glad that he finally rests in peace in Kolozsvar because this was last wish. Every ruin, every castle, every church, every river, forest has a story. So many cultures: magyars, germans, szeklers, romanians, armenians, jews. We miss so much the germans. Yes, Transylvania is a bless land. Pope said that is Lord's Mother land. Trianon will fall when the hatred between us will no longer exist. Our magyar friends read for us a poem, At Danube( Dunanal i think) by Jozsef Attila.I swear all the romanians were moved to tears at the final of the poem. The truth is that we love and respect each other here. If the magyars including the szeklers will leave from here, like the germans the beautiful spirit of Transylvania will die.
@@madalinamuntean4684 Thank you, I am not really sure why you mentioned those things to me, but appreciatedd. Maybe my comment did not explain what I wanted to say, well.
Most important, I am happy you have a good view on Hungarians and other nations people in Romania.
In my opinion this is already over, as both country part of EU, and that we could celebrate. Unfortunately there are also people who does not like each other from both sides, but that will change over time.
Have a great day.
@@danielvarga_p thanks. I wish You all the best.
I am Hungarian.
1: Let us not confuse Hungary with Orbán. Hungary is not equal to Orbán, and Orbán is not equal to Hungary.
2: Revisionism means the desire to restore the former borders of a country. In this sense, I think, Orbán is not a revisionist. He thinks in terms of cross-border national cohesion, so that magyars can become a global nation like jews.
3: Sovereign Hungary is the most important for Orbán, for 2 reasons: For the sake of the survival of our country, Hungary, which is more than 1000 years old, and because he knows well, that his autocracy is impossible to overthrow from within.
Love Hungary from Bulgaria ❤
1. On the contrary: the Hungarians elected Orban. His views, statistically speaking, are no different from what the average Hungarian thinks. Did Hungarians take to the streets when he opposed aid to Ukraine? Did they scream when he went to his daddy in Moscow? So, yes: he represents Hungary. No - he wants to be Hungary. And you, statistically speaking, applaud.
2. It's hard to see anything other than a revisionist desire when you wear scarves with greater Hungary printed on them, when you keep talking about the "injustice" of Trianon, when football fans chant xenophobic and revisionist slogans, when Hungarian politicians refuse to acknowledge and respect the national symbols of the neighbouring countries they visit and make provocative comments, etc.
3. Orban's influence in Hungarian communities in neighbouring countries is undeniable. Hungarian communities tend to isolate themselves, believing that everyone is a threat. Read about the xenophobic incident in Ditrău on Wikipedia. The Hungarian state is so scared of the danger of perishing that it has a law on naming newborns - parents can only choose a name from an approved list. Names "in accordance with Hungarian linguistic and cultural traditions".
So, no - Orban is what Hungarians are.
@@fd2824 True, that he is (Orban) the prime minister and the most important person in Hungary, but he's not all the hungarians. And i think this video is pointless, because no evidence of any revisionist idea in his politics. I mean, treaty of trianon is part of the hungarians history, but thats all. Yes, he built so called "close" relations with China, Russia etc. but right now, what we know about it, its just economical relations, nothing else. Hungary is part of NATO and EU. The only reason (i think) that video is exist, because the other countries scared of Hungary, but i dont know why. No reason to do that.
@@fd2824 i think big part of the problem is that following the Trinanon treaties there were were well documented large scale pogroms including human torture solely based on ethnicity against Hungarians. Later the aggressive assimilation policies of the Caucescu regime did not help. I grew up fearing all our eastern neighbors. Why do you think these communities isolate? All these traumas left deep scars. We grew up fearing our neighbors who really stabbed us in the back and treated us mercilessly. I personally do like many Romanians I actually think we share a lot but as a nation I wish I could feel safe around them. I really do. Comments like yours do not help. Allowing minorities to live in safety and peace would make a difference in the region. It would make this whole argument about revisionism absolete. But as long as you treat your minorities as you do there will always be strategies to try to represent the rights of your nationality across the border granted in bilateral agreements and at the level you signed when joined the UN and the EU.. which you don’t now.
Orban is actually very soft. He wears that scarf to show that his team is representing all Hungarians i the football field.. I don’t see how is it upsetting.
When An American puts out an American flag in his room living abroad you don’t think he is a nationalist. When a Hungarian celebrates his language or culture you get aggressive.. you have the land.. you have the overwhelming support of nato and America you have the power.. why don’t you use it to create peace?
About the Ukrainian issue.. same stuff… personal threats against Mayors of Hungarian nationality closing of schools denying the right to speak your national language did not convince us to stand up an cheer for this overly nationalist Ukrainian government we do support humanitarian aid to any Ukrainian but supporting this nationalist war ? While they trash all minority rights including Romanian and Hungarian nationalities? Why? ..
Last but not least Orban won because his opposition was complete collection of contradicting idiots. 56 percent of all voters voted for him. That’s far less maybe third of population of Hungary. I’m not gonna lie I’m happy he won..
you criticize Hungary for dependence on Russia but wasn't it Germany who lead the way in dependence on Russia for energy ?
Orban is a power and fame addict. He just loves the spotlight that is given by world leaders and how some of his followers idolize him. The feeling that he is in the big leagues must be ecstatic for him. He does not care about any the mentioned topics in the video, but he knows how to use those to manipulate people and stay in power. I would say he only care about money as it is just another tool to keep playing the game by buying more influence. From the money he built a loyal oligarchy and a media empire that will keep him in power while the money is flowing. Also before every election they do some gerrymandering so he does not really have 2/3 support from the country.
Besides Hungary how about Slovakia and netherlands? I am sure the number will increase.
about 45% of the votes went to FIDESZ which gave them 2/3 majority. Also about 33% of the eligible voters voted for them.
@@alexhumble7653 You are right. Orbanism is like a cancer in Europe. Spreadings and spreadings.
He created an example for politicians how to become a dictator in a democratic environment like the EU.
He is a talented person, but he choosed money and power and not to make his homeland great, unfortunately.
Így igaz 😊 egy itt élő magyar
A post full of lies and misinformation, Orban is not a power or fame addict, and it is not him who gives spotlight to everything in Hungary but the western media handdrived by Soros empire and pan-european antidemocratic far left mainstream triing to demonize him. The feeling of that we are in the big leagues, if you mean big colonizer / world robber nations like french, netherlands, germans etc doesnt give us any extatic feeling if you want to know, we rather try to cooperate with the current european mafia elite with a handpalm on our nose and taking white gloves when shaking hands. Hungary currently has a public affairs, public speech and media more free then any other country has in Europe, you can absoluitely state any liars and nonsense about Hungary or Orban without police knocking on your door - try the similar for example in Germany, where you literally imprisoned after stating that migration causes crime, but similar can happen with you in Ireland (see the case of MgGregor), France or Sweden for example. Also, making gerrymandering is a frequent lie originated from the fallen opposite forces, as Hungary iafter the communistic uniformization of society simply does not its politics definitely divided by territories. And also 2˛/3 support in parliament nowhere means 2/3 support by population, as in every western country, there are standardization of votes to balance parties and making possible to manage a stable goivernment. OIn the british vote system for example, witrh this number of voites Fidesz had not 2/3 but 90% of seats. So, while 2/3 does not mean in Hungary and in no demoicratic states that every 3rd ppl voted for the governor party, it is still a huge achievemetn from Orban to reac h it, despite the whole european mainstream, the progressive net of far left, the traditional left and hungarian soft nazis alongside with so-called liberal parties aLL want to replace orban with a brusselyss puppet like tusk, mr von der pheizer or the new spanish dictator and "loser-of-elections-still-won-by-democracy-hack" gonzales-sanches or what the hell his name is.
As a Hungarian I can only say, that I rarely see such a comprehensive and insightful report in a foreign media.
The only thing Id put here as a note is, that you mention Budapest as Hungary several times, but the capital is the most anti-orban in the whole country. The Fidesz voter base are the rural people, several statistics show that the more uneducated and poor people are, the more willing they are to vote for them. This is an important mark of this regime.
Yeah, Budapest in this context is a rethorical figure meaning the goverment authority. Often used in the geopolitcal pieces.
The Fidesz voterbase is even worse - It is the ethnic Hungarians that got passports a few years ago from an Orban project that vote for him the most. It is literally a Turk-in-Germany situation - they vote on a basis of nationalistic pride and do not have to experience Orban's terrible domestic policies.
Orban represents the disenfranchised and the poor. Good 👍🏻
@@JS-cc6dz you are the funny one😂
@@JS-cc6dz No he doesn't. His crony capitalism and constitutional amendments to make it harder to eject him are proof enough by themselves, not to mention his policies against basic education, small business, let alone the actually most disenfranchised group - Romas. He is is simply a corrupt politician that will do anything to be able to suckle at the teat of the Hungarian treasury - he actively damages the disenfranchised and the poor.
Hungary is what would have happened if Germany post WW2 would have once again go revisionist and if the germans would have remained in their lands post war while the territory would still go to Czechia and Poland.
Its the good old Carthage rule:
After the first war with Rome they were still a major power (War for Dominance)
After the second war with Rome they were still a regional power ( War for Revenge/Revisionism)
After the third war with Rome: "Carthago delenda est"
Germany stopped after losing one fight for dominance (WW1) and one fight for revisionism (WW2), Hungary currently wants to go the third step...
“An insignifIcant landlocked microstate” oh like Austria?
They seem to be doing quite alright.
Austria?? Not really, they're also completely in the pocket of Russia. And they're increasing their dependency even more on Russian gas and oil... Crazy stuff. I mean what happens for example if Ukraine stops transporting anything through their country?? This is actually guaranteed when the contract expires next year. What happens if Bulgaria decides to stop all Russian gas to pass through their country? which they've been discussing?? All of Europe has made sacrifices to replace their Russian vulnerability, buying more expensive stuff if needed... the only exceptions? Austria and Hungary... nobody will feel bad for them.
Yeah.. they only seem to do ok..
Austria before joining EU was a relatively poor state.
After ww1,ww2 they starved and get freeloading from allies
As far as I can remember, (and I'm 35 years old), the prospect of taking back old territories in some way, any kind of revisioniosm was never a talking point for any of the ruling parties. Nor is it now.
Well you gota look at more media proving this. Since orban bans any media that he doesn’t like, you’re not going see his revisionist motives on state approved media
What do you even mean. The so called Szekely land flag flies on Hungary's parliament everywhere next to Hungary's flag. The ruling party goes to Szekely land with speeches supporting Szekely secessionism every year. Anything more revisionist than this implies the army and flying bullets.
@@nydydn oh yes, maintaining a good, supportive relationship with the only group of people outside our country who speak the same language? That can only mean revisionism and nothing else.
@@vodkavecz I'm talking about the big map of greater Hungary that can be seen when visiting the Hungarian parliament next to the Szekely land flag. There is no sane person that would say this isn't revisionism.
So being proud of our history is a problem?@@nydydn
Best country! Regards from Poland 💪
They side with Russia against you
Are you writing from Lvov?
The author of this video has a one sided view of history, he assumes absolute goods and evils as if we still existed in the 1940s. A few words to reflect on; the world is far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I think he just have bad sources.
@@the_white_rabbit I gave up on him on one of the first few videos that he originally published in Polish. It's one thing to be biased as you attempt to rip off Caspian Report, it's something else entirely where you're trying to sell your bias as some kind of objective geopolitical fact (such as this guy's hatred of Germany and deeply rooted conviction that this feeling is reciprocated by Germany in regards to Poland).
Becoming more and more biased it seems with time. Disappointing to say the least
Seems like he took great inspiration from Pootin!!
Seems authentic to return Hungary it's 'possessions' after returning Hungary to Austria 😅
Good plan lol😂 be careful what you wish for
they can have our dirty underwear ! ( both austrians and hungolians )
Hungary was never part of Austria though. Habsburgs ruled it as Kings of Hungary not as Holy Roman or Austrian Emperors.
@@bences3736 before the 1800's it wasn't called Austria-Hungary, it was just the Austria Habsburgs as part of the Holy Roman Empire...
dude Hungary had its territory long before Austrian rule
As a Hungarian I have to admit this is the most detailed and thorough video about Hungary to date. It gives enough backstory, provides context and manages to stay factual throughout. Congratulation to the team at GTBT!
Despite that, I dont entirely agree with the final conclusions of the video. The Russian connection is way overemphasized and paints an inaccurate picture of Orban's ambitions. I know it was not in the scope of the topic of this video, but adding Orbans connections to Trump/Republican party and the right-wing network of like-minded parties within the EU would have given a more nuanced picture.
As for the alliance for WW, Orban has said over and over that we prefer neutrality. Like you guys pointed out, we allied with the Germans twice already, lost both times...not gonna be fooled into 3rd time.
If they want neutrality why did they join NATO? Or the EU for that matter? The way Orban has gone out of his way to block aid packages from the EU for Ukraine and not sign on to sanctions has some people wondering if he isn't actually a Russian Trojan horse.
Kind of hard to be neutral when you’re part of EU and NATO. Probably have to leave those organizations before you can be neutral like Switzerland.
When children were killed in one of your neighbours' houses, women were raped and the house was set on fire, don't you think it's strange to insult the victims and shake hands with the murderer?
Congratulations, now you will be fooled by someone new🎉
If we're neutral, why is the Kremlin propaganda flowing from government-affiliated media translated to hungarian? (Zelensky wants war, Putin is open to peace, just to mention one headline) The statement in the video was accurate: The government is as pro-Russian, as it can be while being a member of NATO, and EU. This is what I always said, basically since the beginning of the war, to everybody claiming our neutrality.
Hungary is our brother. All Turks and Turkic peoples like Hungarian İ am loving Hungary and Madgars İ hope Hungary will be more big country in the future time
Thank you Ali! We just want to leave us to live what way to choose, but you see: many of westerns not accept this. But we are strong agains agressive ideas. We will step through of them InsAllah! ;)
Thanks! Great content and well presented.😊
Finally!!! An explanation for all the news about Hungary 🇭🇺 I've been reading, listening to and watching over the past decade.
Without knowing any of the post-WW1 specifics...I had already guessed that Hungary's attitude had something to do with its diminished status post-Austro-Hungarian Empire. Too bad that Hungary, like Russia, but unlike England, has not yet come to terms with its current reality in the world pecking order.
This history also explains the very different attitudes that Hungary and Poland have vis-a-vis Ukraine.
Thanks!
I think Hungary should be booted from the EU until they kick out orban and change their values. Their leaders obviously don’t want the EU so they need to leave until they come back begging for benefits of a liberal society
The military industrial complex is very happy with this retro thinking,,,💹🗡️📈🗡️
@@EdT.-xt6yv Irrelevant
@@simian_essence elaborate on your response,,,from what I have noticed ,out of every conflict some shareholders makes $€¥£? Ethics is thrown out the window. Very similar to biolabs, always a virus in the way and funds must be AVAILABLE. Here , the complex always has an enemy even a few hypothetical ones.
An Extra upvote just cause of putinchimpanze pic
What an excellent job, and a lot covered! I think it's pretty clear from living and doing business in Hungary that what Orbán Viktor learned is how to stay in power. He's no ideologue. He'll adopt just about any position that keeps him and Fidesz in power. The informal alliances with other authoritarian regimes is also a matter of self-preservation; authoritarians who support each other improve their own chances of survival.
Your definition of liberal democracy is obviously spot-on, but that's not what many Hungarians from the countryside would pick up on. What they would associate it with is smarty-pants from the big cities telling them to embrace gay marriage and foreigners with dark skin.
These really aren't things Orbán ever really worried about (like Putin), it's just stuff they found worked for getting easy votes (as has Trump).
A few items of clarification for viewers (if anyone is reading): Modern magyarok (Hungarians) have no greater genetic connectivity to central Asia than Slavs or Germans. After the Ottomans were pushed out, much of modern Hungary was resettled by Swabian Germans and others from the surrounding areas. 200 years ago, Hungarian as a language of Hungary had just rebounded. Genetic studies put Austrians as being the closest relatives to Hungarians.
In the Austro-Hungarian maps used in the video, there was a little overlap between Hungary proper and Transleithania. Hungary proper didn't reach to the Adriatic. That was Slovenia-Croatia, that had a degree of autonomy, just like Hungary did from Austria. There would have been almost no ethnic Hungarians in that part of Hungarian administered Transleithania. Hungary didn't have a separate navy from Austria, as all foreign affairs were managed by the Austrians.
Trianon came quite a bit after the end of WW1 as folks in the west think of it (11th hour of the 11th day...), whereas in Eastern Europe fighting continued. There were the wars of the Bolsheviks, Poles and Ukrainians... and Hungary had the stupid idea of trying to take back parts of modern day Slovakia, Ukraine, and Romania by force, the culmination of which had Romanian soldiers occupying Budapest. Hungary could have been wiped off the map (I exaggerate a bit, but for a point) had it not been for the French and Americans, particularly. You can look at Trianon as shrinking Hungary, but you can also look at it as preserving Hungary and the ever-important Hungarian langauge, amit szeretek.
In the end, Hungarian nationalism isn't any more over the top than elsewhere (certainly not more so than Serbia). It's buoyed by the have nots embracing a version of history that makes them feel like they come from important and influential people. The reality is it's a tiny country with a funky language, an economy a bit smaller than metro Portland OR, and a people who I've generally come to adore.
The same rural/urban divide is what drives the division in American politics. The sad truth of representative democracy is that sometimes the idiots win.
Incorrect, the communist government was quite successful in taking back unfairly taken away lands and then gave them up for international recognition. The hungarian reds and whites were united until that, but after that the whites stopped supporting the reds. Hungary would have been able to keep those lands and it wasnt a stupid idea at all to take back lands that were unfairly taken away, without any consideration for ethnic lines (the supposed justification, ethnic self preservation, expect when it came to hungarians, because f them)
dogshet propaganda
@@thorthewolf8801 Yes, I admit, it's only in hindsight where it's 100% clear that by gaining nothing and losing a lot that the stupidity is compelling. At the time, only a rational person would have seen it as I described it. Perhaps I am being too blunt in my choice of words. I'm no diplomat.
But tell me, why is it fair for Hungary, or any nation, to take land by armed conquest, but it's unfair for them to lose it in a similar fashion? I never understood that reasoning and I've been eager for someone to explain that to me.
@@thorthewolf8801 BTW, if anyone reading his comment is confused by the timing and the word communist, Hungary had a brief 6mo flirt with communism in the early 1920s. It was, I had thought, a clear disaster but apparently we have one dissenting opinion on that. This government had nothing to do the the later disastrous and periodically evil communist government that held Hungary for 45 years.
Considering how harshly they were reduced and repressed after AuH's breakup in WW1, I wouldn't be surprised they still feel wronged by everyone.
It was justified if you check an ethnic map of Hungary in 1918, I remember reading that Hungary's population was only 47% Hungarian. So a lot of territory was going to be lost either way. And in the border areas with mixed population, well, they were the losers.
@@catalinmarius3985Like in the donbass and crimea. And ukraine is just weak. All is perfect no?
@@catalinmarius3985 Yes, and why you did not give back at least the territories that were not populated by Roumanians? Do you know how present day European politics name situations where territories are taken without asking the people living there? If not, read something about the Russian-ukrainian war and see it yourself how Roumanian press is talking about Russia.
@@catalinmarius3985no it wasnt justified based on ethnicity. That is why MILLIONS of hungarians are still living in neighbouring countries. It was a "grab as much as you can" scheme: mines, forests, railway etc. Nobody cared about ethnicities of the population.
@@militaryorchid7937 Because those territories were in an exclave cut from the rest of Hungary. Hitler tried to do it in WW2 by giving North Transylvania to Hungary, it still ended up a region with 50% Romanians and 38% Hungarians. You cannot connect Szekelyland to Hungary because there are many Romanians in between.
Everyone becomes a revisionist if more than half of their country is lost.
But everyone will be a revisionist even if it is only a possibility that they can get territories. It's a simple fact.
I would be curious if an American citizen were asked if his country would get Canada or Mexico, what would they say? :D
They would say that they leave the vote to the citizens, we are in the 21st century ffs..
Half of Transleithanien you mean?
But how can you lose something that never was yours?
@@slick83boby erm... uhm.. it was always ours, the conquered population under the Austro-Hungarian superpower Empire already living there were just animals, it's even written by our national poet, that means they have no rights.
Vagy Ukrajnát.....😃
Very biased presentation.
You never mentioned why Hungary got such a punishing deal in Trianon.
You also never mentioned why Romanians, Slovaks, Ukrainians and Serbs are so apprehensive of Hungarian revisionism.
I am not impressed.
Whenever there is a major conflict in the world, look at Hungary, whatever side they are on, be on the opposite to be on the winning side.
Let me tell you why Hu got punished at Trianon:
1. It started a war and it lost.
2. It was the weakest link at the negotiation table that followed the war and it got reaped apart by the big dogs that won the war; natural selection.
3. It was not Slovakia, Romania or Serbia (these are insignificant countries today and were even more insignificant 100 years ago) that took territories, it was Hu that lost them.
Moral of the story: When you play stupid games, you get stupid prizes.
@@drosophilamelanogaster3957 best part was when after the war was lost, hungarians tried to suckerpunch the allies again by attacking after the truce was already in effect.
@@drosophilamelanogaster3957it didnt start the war.
You'd expect an English-speaking video to say good things about Hungary?
He is only holding up a mirror. @@dchri18
3:30 Anyone can imagine a justification of ceding territory to AUSTRIA, with Hungarian majority in the area? Only reasoning I can come up is to create tensions between the Monarchy's successor states.
Magnet McMilin's "Paris 1919" has a section on that particular transaction. Biggest reason I recall was railway lines, and the important depos. Some areas would have become economically screwed if they lost certain rail yards and turn heads. Happened in quite a few other places to. Another large factor into a lot of what happened to hungary is the communist government that took over the nation. It was unreconized and did not recognize the peace talks. Thus they had no representatives. Kind of hard to get a good deal when u don't show up to negotiations.
@@Skritshell What screwed Hungary the most in my opinion was fighting Czechoslovakia and Romania in 1919-1920, the Allies were pretty much fed up with the war in 1918 and Hungary keeping fighting when it was clear they lost certainly didn't win them any friends with the Allies. I remember reading that a French general straight up insulted the Hungarian delegation when they arrived in 1920, in public.
false analogy. Most ex hungarian regions had hungarian population ( at least before the Ottoman attack ),settlement names and history. meanwhile Hungary doesn’t have any austrian history from the beginning till the 1600 s . not a meaningless difference.
@@catalinmarius3985You're not wrong there but what really screwed Hungary is their "own" bolshevik revolution. People forget this, especially Romanians who (kind of victoriously) mention the siege and conquer of Budapest in 1919; that Hungarians had to fight their own (whites vs reds), while being completely depleted. Of course it was impossible to hold out against CZ and RO, who both had the Entente power's support. But then again... you're not wrong.
@@Skritshell Western leader tend to create states and border just so there would be further conflict. Look at all the African countries. Or the middle east. Its not out of the norm that they argued for these partitions just so there would be war at a later time.
Perhaps, but its neighbours are not indulging Hungary's revisionism. Article 1 of the Romanian Constitution defines the country as a "sovereign, independent, unitary and indivisible national state." As a result of this provision, any ethnic-based territorial autonomy, including that of the Székely Land, would be unconstitutional, as stated by The Supreme Council of National Defence of Romania.
Laws are made by people ,so people also can change them.Tirany of majority over minorities doesn't lead to anything good.
If Orban thinks Croatia wants to be part of Greater Hungary then he has another thing coming.
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He also want's to annex Vojvodina so you'd be fighting side-by-side with Serbia if that war came to pass XD
same with Romania. Little Entente ftw. ! Orban and his hungolian toads can suck the big one !
@@RunawayTrain2502stranger things have happened hahahaha
@@DacianRider I'm part of the Hungarian minority (not Székely though) but I have no desire to be part of Hungary and Orbán is definitely not my leader. About 15 years ago I looked at Hungary as the gateway to the West, nowadays I don't even like to go there.
This whole video is based on the premise that Viktor Orban is friendly with these mentioned leaders because of the shared ideology or whatsoever (it is kinda shady what the editors thought by saying this, but fair enough). What you all here fail to consider, is the past of Hungary. And not talking about the treaty of Trianon. That was a shameful decision, a pretty unfair one, but we, Hungarians accepted it overall. It is undoubtedly funny and biased to accuse us with super-nationalism or territorial hopes. The reason why the PM of Hungary has these diplomatic ties with those leaders AS WELL, is that Hungary has always been a country between the West and the East. We have been invaded by both of them and it is against our interest them to be against each other, because we are in the middle and therefore we never come out of those conflicts well. I’d like to underline it again, maintaining fair relations with all leaders around the globe is couldn’t be further from betraying the West, on the contrary, this pluralism was the idea of the West before the 21st century. We are a peaceful, welcoming country with astonishingly beautiful arts, cities, nature and culture, feel free to visit us and prove the mainstream wrong! 🇭🇺
Even do not needed to make ideologies about bridging between east and west, however in the 19th century it was an existing view of the role of Hungary. A normal state in Europe simply tries to make friends not enemies, triing to trade and exchange cultural goods and not robbing each other. Thats what the greedy elite of the western colonizer countries never really could understood, they always thought in ruling the whole world and exhausting other ppls goods, and making world wars, becvause how funny those would be. thexy are basically opium warmongers. We are not indo-europeans, we never shoot first. Also Hungary is a little country, so if we hear that we should defeat Russia or the Chinese Empire, taking part in the silly shaking swords of the western lunatics, of course we laugh and leave that work to them.
@7:59 what does the quote "we light morning night and evening" mean. I don't understand the context.
Light=lied
I wish the EU was able to bring European countries closer together. But it probably has too many policies in place that don't regulate economic growth or stability wich were the founding principles of the EU.
Also it would help a lot if we had some damn oil. Thankfully the Russians are opressing their population and are afraid of losing power so they dont allow companies to grow too powerful. Otherwise we Europeans would probably fade into irrelevance in the next centuries.
The next biggest problem is probably that we dont have big internet companies that secure our data. We don't trust the chinese to build G5 but nobody even questions the Americans? They don't even try to hide the fact that they spy on us. Thats a big problem politicly and economically.
Well if our governments are that naive than they probably deserve it.
If u belive that the goal of the EU to bring Europeans closer than you are really lost somewhere.... You will learn in the future....
@@MiklosUwU, some people don't understand about the EU ,therfore comment utter nonsense
The EU and it's predecessor were literally founded to bring Europeans together...
the EU’s main goal is the establish a Superstate a authoritarian state that reduces your rights to being nothing but a corporate slave of a meaningless multiethnic supercorporation with no tradition or national pride like the United States is today. the EU second goal is the bring in million of economic surfs from AFRICA ASIA AND THE MIDDLE EAST to slave away next while the Brussels elite live in their segregated neighborhood like Apartheid SOUTH AFRICA.
It's come on quite well since the 50s don't you think?
Imagine: In Germany, there would be a party where flags with the old German borders would be seen on a regular basis. What would we accuse this party of?
And now let's put ourselves in the shoes of a Slovak. I can only imagine how you feel when your neighbor actually says you don't exist.
To be fair, that kind of stuff only faded in the 70's and 80's in West Germany.
Absolutely!
@@KommentarSpaltenKrieger So Hungary just needs more time?
Revanchism is older than time.
@@larsreckert5423 Probably.
we truly live in the worst timeline. this universe sucks.
Short answer: NO
(I have saved you 40 minutes)
Hungarian people are not revisionists. We have idiots, but most of us are not living in the past.
12:10 Felcsút is not even a town, it's a simple village.
Correction: you cannot organise referendum on constitution (in Hungary). The reason is simple a referendum means that a simple majority can change the constitution. And that makes the system very fragile. The reason the Fidesz was able to do it is due to an extraordinary majority gained by successive elections.
And the video maker forgot the fact, that the old constitution was a patched up version of the 1948 Communist one. Apparently, the "civilized" West is never get triggered by the bloody past of the Communist crimes.
Orbans bio sounds like he was recruited by the KGB/FSB.
21:20 Politics of people like Orban is not about people or the country, but about what he wants, power, more of it and afterwards he looks what fits his believes. Even if has to make it up.
29:10 He acknowledges, that he is powerless.
Turkey doesnt have claims on inhabited greek islands of the Aegean. The dispute is about small islets that arent mentioned in the treaty of Lausanne and they are willing to settle the matter in the international court of Hauge.
They are actually contesting the Dodecanese islands, which are inhabited. And the reason why they do that is because the Dodecanese islands were not subject to the Lausanne treaty. The Dodecanese belonged to Italy when the Lausanne treaty was signed, but Italy gave them to Greece after World War 2.
To be fair, Russia supplies the majority of global nuclear fuel exports and Rosatom has escaped a lot of sanctions resultantly. It's less a sign of Hungarian fealty than just a massively unbalanced market in Russia's favour.
Hungary would do anything, as long as its subsidies weren't on the line.
Can you please make video how Polish policy towards Hungary changed after Russian invasion of Ukraine. It was quite a rude awakening from your illusion about brothers in arms and bottles...
I'm afraid I must disappoint you. Hungarian Polish relations are too old and too strong to ruin it with one conflict. Just think! It survived both world wars and all conflicts back to medieval Europe.
Current polish regime in fact stabbed Hungary in the back with some public speech. Speaking about alliing with Romania was an extreme insult on Hungarians. Now we will see how polish get their reward and getting ruined in under the reign of Tusk lolz. However we still know a regime is not the same as ppl, so we still praying for Polland. As the old Hungarian saying tells, we love polish ppl really, but we never loved them because of their cleverness.
This high-stakes game with the big boys won't end well for a tiny 15m nation
You mean 9.71 million.
13,5 million in and around Hungary.@@Just_another_Euro_dude
For you they don't count. Ok. For me and for the majority of the hungarians they very much count. Nation is not about taxes, but about common past of more than 1000 years, history, culture, language, thinking. Hungarians abroad: if somebody sees him- or herself as a hungarian, he/she is definitely hungarian.@@Just_another_Euro_dude
Ok, it's your opinion, I don't agree, because for instance North Italian austrians in South Tirol are important for Austria, greeks in Cyprus are important to Greece, romanians in Moldova are important to Romania, etc. Hungary was divided in a very unfair way, throwing away about 3,5 million hungarians in new neighboring states. We must heal that wound. Giving up hungarian citizens abroad, forgetting our past is not "modern" at all. By the way, communists and socialists also said that nationality is not important and communism, socialism have also failed badly. Nationality, language and culture are very important, they are our roots and we don't want to melt away in a multiethnical mixture at all!@@Just_another_Euro_dude
How could you get from my opinion to a war between 2 slavic states? Incredible jump! @@Just_another_Euro_dude
This is full of factual errors.
Greetings from Finland. I would like if we could build relations with the Hungarians as it is rare for us to us to interact with others whose language might make at least some sense to us, but it seems that the Hungarian leaders do not want to even attempt to get along. We could disagree on some things but try to build relations based on everything else, but it seems like they are not willing.
I do hope that there's good, peaceful and prosperous future ahead for the Hungarians and would like to visit some day too (In the winter ofc, I'm a Finn). Also would like to go to other places than the biggest cities, not fan of big population centers.
You have to understand that Orban and his gang, are textbook narcissists with no other interests than narcissistic supply. Whether it is more power, more money, more influence, but they are not interested in building colaborations with coutries like yours, because you don't have anything in common with their political agenda. If you want to get closer to hungary, and built a relationship, you should try it with the regular hungarian people.
@@AquaTofana. There's limited opportunities to do that with regular Hungarian people. Only come across a few when gaming for +20 years.
Our relations with Russia have been complicated last about 900 years. I've gotten along with many many regular Russians despite the national level politics. I know it for a fact that people can get along splendidly despite such problems.
Who doesn't want to have good relationship with Finland, our distant cousins? The Hungarian government sure wants it and it's very open to it. But as long as the Finnish people vote in progressive liberal parties to power (the likes who put forward characters like Sanna Marin), parties who jump immediately on the bandwagon when it comes to attacking / criticizing Hungary on the European scene, there will be no good relations. Put someone to power who is representing Finland's interests and not the mainstream globalist narratives.
@justskip4595, maybe Finland and the west stops talking form the high horse, maybe if you gust stop "education us" how to be good citizen of EU, maybe if you are see us as partners and not some primitive Eastern Europeans, maybe than we could get along then. Till you do not leave arrogancia behind you will never be a partner to on one. So to make it more clear to you, how would you like if we Hungarians start to criticize your lifestyle the way you do thing and the huge level of antisemitism in your country which is happening right now. On top of that we would start lying about your county on the international stage, make some false claims and then we would look done on you and say poor poor Finland we can not even talk to them they ares so primitive. So how would you like that?
@@AquaTofana. what you are saying is a textbook libtard propaganda, because if it is not true what you are saying than the other option is that there is life beyond liberal democracy and this is a frightening tough for you. And no it is not dictatorship. Jut remember time is on our side.
Some tips for a more nuanced understanding of video content.
Due to the division of roles in the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy before the First World War, the Hungarians had their own military affairs and did not pursue foreign policy, so they had no influence on the military leadership and attack directions during the First World War.
For this reason, at the end of World War I, the Hungarians did not have a network of relations between the countries and did not have an interest representation system, so during the Trianon negotiations, significant distortions, misdirections, and shifts occurred during the establishment of ethnic borders, in favor of the newly created countries.
In a painful way, these territories were not acquired by other countries because of military activities, but through administrative decisions.
At the end of the First World War, the old country borders were intact, and there were no foreign soldiers in the old territories of Hungary. The victorious federal system (Entente) demanded the disarmament of the Hungarian military and then promised fair, ethnically based peace negotiations.
When this was achieved, the armies of the new states invaded, occupied and looted these territories without resistance, then carried out ethnic transformations, liquidated tens of thousands of people, and deported millions. All this happened under the supervision and tacit consent of the victorious powers.
(The vast majority of Hungarian families today were affected by these displacements and separations.)
Then, at the Trianon negotiations, the newly, absurdly created territorial borders were approved.
An example of this is the union of Transylvania with Romania.
In the fall of 1918, the 10-20% Romanian population living there announced their territorial accession to Romania, a decision that was later accepted as a fact by the great powers.
This means something like if the Muslims living in today's mosques in Marseille or Lyon in France announced their accession to Algeria, or the Cuban emigrants staying in the American area of Miami annexed the area of Miami to Cuba.
Around 6 million Hungarians still lived in the annexed areas, who lived and continue to live under economic, political and linguistic restrictions, as, for example, restrictions on the political and economic life, right to private property, and language use for Hungarians are still in force in Slovakia today.
After that, with the border changes of the great powers in 1938/39 (still in peacetime), new borders were created, approximately in accordance with the actual ethnic borders, which were abolished again by the Paris peace negotiations that ended the Second World War.
It is no coincidence that there is still considerable skepticism towards Western states.
During the economic changes that began in 1990 after the Soviet occupation, these same large countries gained significant economic importance, their dominance once again overwhelmed the country's economy and significantly drained the country's human resources.
Western economies allow limited inflow of goods produced here (unless they are produced by the multinational companies they own), so many people see the possibility of an economic breakthrough towards the opening to the East.
Hungarians do not look east for political or social reasons, but only for pragmatic economic reasons. Since this subordination and economic and human resource exploitation is the ideal state for today's western countries, they do not want to change it in any significant way, and therefore there is not much chance for a new economic prosperity or a reduction of the current subjugated state.
The new fault lines resulting from the current direction of the Union do not make the West, and the adaptation and integration expected from it, any more attractive.
From now on, it seems that the leadership of the Union does not seek the rise and development of Europe, but rather serves the economic and political goals of the USA, rather than European interests
The I. and II. The countries of the territories annexed by World War II can only be found today in traces, yet the Hungarians living there (ca. 4 million) still live there as hostages, and Hungarian inscriptions cannot be placed on the cultural heritage found there. The divided part of Germany was able to be reunited in 1990, the countries of Yugoslavia split up on ethnic grounds, Czechoslovakia split up on ethnic grounds, why can't this happen with the Hungarian nation as well??!!
LMAOOOO the amount of missinfornation just form the FIRST 2 PARAGRAPGHS is absolutely CRAZY. First of all the romanians in transylvania were an absolute majority with 54% and that's a fact, you can search it on any unbiased source, i agree that around oradea and satu mare there was a clear hungarian majority. The reason trianon was so cruel to hungary was because after you were asked to disarm, you started a communist government and attacked czechoslovakia and occupied it. Afterwards the romanians ran through you like through butter all the way to budapest where those lootings actually happened, which is, I agree, unfair. Keep in mind there was no trianon and no done negotiations yet when you started those stupid attacks. After the entente saw that you are still dangerous and you would start another war whenever you get the chance if you have power, they decided to punish you hard to make you less powerful so you dont start any wars, even though you did anyway. And dont start fucking talking about oppression after how cruel magyaryzation was. It was the most scandalous ethnic cleansing in the 20th century until ww2. Slovaks romanians, serbs being forced to use hungarian otherwise they couldnt trade, go to school, work, newspapers only in hungarian, school only in hungarian, churches only hungarian. And thats without forgetting all the centuries before when you misstreated romanians the worst, like subhumans, as many historic figures say. And we shall not talk what you all did in ww2. You are always the victim, never take accountabilty. While Trianon was harsh, I agree, you cant start playing the victim and spread false information
As a romanian born in Transilvanian i m amazed how stupid regular people can be. You got a leader who don t want to leave the power and is start talking about how great we are and how big we can be and we gave up all our rights for astory. Hungary in the 90' where much better economically than Romania, now poor hungarians are comming in Romania to do their groceries because first of all they found everything they need and some of the products are cheaper. I m sorry for all the honest hungarians who have to live lead by a puppet of Putin. One more time on the wrong side of the history. What i can say, we got what we vote for
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 who come to romania for work??? Those are romanian guest workers who's came home from Germany. LOL. Caucescu utopia and you think its the best place in the World. 🤣😂😂
...or you just simply afraid you choosing a wrong side and Putin give back Transylvania to its rifghtful owner. What came easily goes easily...
@@trunksajovobol3792 That's why Hungarian women are the sex workers of Europe. please...
@@trunksajovobol3792 If you want Transylvania so bad then let Romania annex Hungary and become Romanian, only then will Hungary and Transylvania be reunited :).
hungolian fascist sure are salty...
As a Clujean (aka Kolozsvár) I don't mind living our lives along the Hungarian minorities, I have a lot of friends, I'm the godfather for one of my mates whom are Romanian - Hungarian, learned even some basics of the language, we are living peacefully, they have a lot of rights including being able to walk trough the Romanian school from kindergarten to university all in taught in Hungarian, I'm all into living peacefully, but threatening the borders of Romania dose make me ... upset, enough to say that the Romanian Army did visited Budapest once 100 years ago an it can do it again if threatened, but I hope we can still be frenemies at worst, good neighbours at our best withing EU, helping each other not clinging to the past of our great grandparents.
You are delusional if you think Hungary would ever send in troops to occupy Transylvania. It will be done economically and diplomatically -- and if Romania maintains the current regime, the State would be just fine with granting Transylvania independent status (as a first step).
There would never have been war in 1919 if the Romanians didn’t destabilize the Hungarian republic.. just saying. And this time around maybe the Hungarians won’t be as fortunate
the romanian army invaded hungary after the signing of the peace treaty, and the ragged, barefoot army plundered, murdered and destroyed everything in its path. First you talk of peace, then you threaten war. The Romanians are rightly afraid of a revision, they own stolen land.
@@schutzanzug4518 you mean kick out the reds after they declared war on the neighbors? The only destabilization inflicted on the huns was limiting the standing army in case something like 1919 happened. The romanian army raised a romanian boot (opinca) on the flagpole in Budapest (that cleaned the grudges dating back to the medieval period) and left 1 year once the elections were done. It was Horty, and before the bots come screaming occupation, Horty invading checho-slovakia, iugoslavia, transilvanya once the 3rd Reich gave the romanian army a 24h ultimatum to vacate (after the SU did the same in eastern half of Moldova, this second time led to the military taking over government and the rest is history) and even their 1919 allies, the SU. And Horty stood in power until the germans took him down when the war was lost.
@@cristibrad6742 The Romanian army kept pushing the boarder of Hungary back before the treaty after the Hungarian army disbanded. This caused the Hungarian republic to capitulate and a communist government to take over. Then this state fought back againsed romanians, then they were called the aggressors! Insane how rewritten your history is
Putin did not say that collapse of the Soviet Union was “the greatest tragedy in history”. He said it was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century”. Careful with your words there, that’s a huge difference and is misleading.
First autonomy for Székelyföld and after we can talk about Romania Schengen!
Sunteți niște proști care nu au învățat nimic din istorie. Să vă rugați să nu dispăreți din istorie pentru că nimeni nu vă va mai apăra, nici măcar Vaticanul . Mi-e milă de voi👎🤫
False, 1 milion hungarians are not located in Szekely Land but in all of Romania: Transilvania, Banat, Crisana, Maramures etc. (in all of the country). Szekely Land is a mostly mountainous region and is not very densely populated, it’s biggest city has around 34.000 inhabitants
Székely Land has a population of 800 thousand with a 70% Hungarian majority.
If there was a referendum on it, I'd vote to kick Hungary out of the EU and even NATO.
There are no articles that allow to expel members from NATO.
The EU doesn’t even have rules for countries leave voluntarily (reason why Brexit was a bigger mess than it had to be).
Even if those articles existed, I’m sure our dear leaders wouldn’t let these decisions in the hands of the “common folk” via referendum.
While I wholly share your sentiment, the old adage of "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" comes to mind. There is a similar situation with Turkey and NATO. You cannot discount the position that NATO/EU membership imposes certain non-trivial constraints on these countries' imperial and revanchist ambitions and prevents them from going all in into the other camp. So one could argue that it's one of those situations where the West simply has to bite its tongue.
@@sshender3773 real politik
@@sshender3773 Very good point.
NATO is a terrorist organization and the EU is an imperialist totalitarian regime
I feel like Hungary is like Germany, in a sense, that it got the toughest of all treaties post ww1, but didn't had the opportunity, and the power in its own right to burst out in rage after, as the germans did... So the pressure remained in the society since then, and cooked it from the inside out. This was then topped by 40 years of communism, and as far as I can see, all this was too much for a society to handle... This explains how can an autocrat like Orbán be so popular, and how the general public sympatizes with similar nations, such as Russia, Turkey, or Serbia, both of whom lost a greater state in which they were the leading power, and they look back with nostalgia, and with pride to those times. All this is not an excuse for what hungary has became in the past 30 years, rather an explanation.
Be aware, that the youger generation feels alienated by this stuff, many already left, and as far as I can tell, those still remaining, have drawn their red line at EU, and NATO membership... if those cease to exist, hungary will lose it's youth forever.
Let's hope you're right about Hungary's youth.
Read up on Hungry in WW2
@@NankerPhelge65 what do you mean exactly? I'm Hungarian, and I'm better than average in history. not that that's a big thing considering how pathetic average is nowadays...
@@gyorgymuller5060 I was just referring to the territorial gains they received from hitler. And they were the last axis country to turn their back on nasi germany
@@NankerPhelge65 Yes, but WW2 just happened to hungary, they were not a significant actor in it. As you have mentioned, the gains were received, like a gift, and not acquired by diplomacy, or by force. The government was on a forced track to join axis, after what happened at trianon, and especially after the vienna awards. Therefore I consider the event from the point of view of the hungarian society as an additional shock, that they could do little against, rather than a steam release valve. For the Germans it was probably both, but I don't understand the German psyche as much as the Hungarian. I'm not even claiming that I fully understand the Hungarian, as it is so complicated with all the traumaas of the 20th century... i'm just thinking loud here basically.
3:40 there was no Hungarian navy. it was the k.u.k. Kriegsmarine. and Hungary was "not a large power" but simply the junior partner in an AUSTRO-Hungarian Empire. Hungarian elites worked so long and so hard to break away from that "stranglehold" of Vienna that they perhaps unwittingly contributed to the downfal of that empire
"Junior"
Are you serious?
Wiena not even was a house when the Hungarian Kingdom already existed.....
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@gaborjuhasz5610 Vienna did exist - since Roman times. but I wasn't talking about the medieval kingdom, which was completely destroyed by the Turks. neither was the author of this video. so your argument completely misses the point. that is something completely different from Hungary as part of the Habsburg domains. or do you forget the fact that for 400 years, Hungary was owned by an Austrian dinasty?
@@tombombadil9123
No .
We newer forget your behave....
Like supply cannons for the osmans against us....
Or how to robbed out our country many times...
Yeah we remember.....
How you mascared us....
Yeah you can be wery proud your past....
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You even get land from us in 1921,but the war started with those dirty Hasburgs ...
By the Vivadona=wiena?
Just like the others around us you want a accient history,when you're not really have any
It was Austrian navy commanded by Croats
battle on the Marchfeld - read about this. Habsburgs thank their existence only hungarian support. They were nowhere when Hungary was one of Europe most powerfull state...
where is the territorial autonomy of the 5 million Hungarians under occupation in the Carpathian basin ??????? ..what goes to the Catalans--to the Irish in the north--to the Austrians in South Tyrol...it goes to the 5 million Hungarians too!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............
" 5 million Hungarians under occupation" bla bla bla.
@@leme5639 minimum....
5 mil hungarians there?!? this kind of lies, false reports, exaggerated statistics you guys tried to present in Paris, cancelled for you any chance of debate
@@user-xd1yq4bq9q assimilation ?...name ?..parents? grandparents?...officially, there may not be 5 million..but unofficially there are....with the many assimilated...let's look at their names...parents---grandparents' names !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. .....in 1910, 1.7 million Slovaks lived in the highlands....in 1953, 4.5 million ?....joke.. ! where did they come from?...Hungarians...etc...and this is the case in the whole Carpathian basin!!!in the Carpathian Basin, many 1,000 Hungarian schools and kindergartens were closed after 1920!
Of all of neighbors from Hungary I have almost zero issue as long they stay with they silly ideas on they side of Drava and let's be real there is zero might in Hungary. Especially with this tactics of annoying neighbors.
It is kind of an open secret that we would have moved into zakarpatia if the russians had won the war in ukraine. Do with this info what you will
And before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, apparently people there happily spoke Hungarian or Ukrainian or both. But now, because Russia used language as one of the many false justifications for its terror, those of Hungarian descent in the area are beginning to speak Ukrainian as an expression that they see themselves as Ukrainian. I think Putin and Orban have been awful for their respective populations, their cultures, and now, their languages.
Its fascist propaganda ukrainian far right alongside with european far left pressing, and some lunatics in russia babbling about nuking various european countries, babbling about as well.
Very good analysis, although few described aspects can be disputed, it shows the whole picture very well !
As an American, I think Hungary is fine. Many Americans think this. This sounds like a subtle way to make Hungary look bad.
Many americans just dont understand how bad hungary under orban is
Orban is the slightly corrupt leader Hungary needed to save itself from the far greater corruption engulfing the Western world.
@@martinja9953 The problem is with the current hungarian government is that I live under in it. The opposition is kept out of everything and the money flows only to that populist Orban. But, hungarians will caricature corruption because we actually hate corruption that is going on right now. I sincerely hope that Orban and Gyurcsany (one of the alcoholic opposition guy, was minister before - he ruined the country 2006-2010) will be out of the political sphere, that is the time when everything can be reformed politically. Of course, I think Hungary is behind the mentality of the west at least 15 years so do not expect changes to happen instantly.
As a Hungarian, you are right.
The fact that Hungary is constantly at odds with the rest of EU nations is the first thing most people would fault Hungary for. I don't really fault them for that.
Supposed irredentism is the least of their faults, althought it would get rather interesting if that was ever acted out for real.
What I would criticize them for, however, is their tacit affinity with Russia and China, countries that are anathema to the west and present an obstruction to the western historical destiny. The latter is even a communist country to this day, anathema to civilization in general.
The west may be in decline, but demoralization dooms it instead of reviving it.
A few points to correct, the poll that was used to get the 60% and 90% was specifically worded in a way that unfairly represented the pro-ukraine arguments. Most of the hungarian minority in Ukraine does NOT want to seperate, and are overwhelmingly pro-ukraine. When Putin said that the collapse of the USSR was the greatest tragedy, that didn't necessarily mean he missed the USSR. After the USSR collapsed Russia erupted into total chaos civil wars, economic instability, just a whole mess, it definitely was a tragedy, and one that Putin lived through.
Lavrov is not the defence minister.
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You have a mistake! As a lousanne agreement, the islands close to Türkiye could not be weaponized. But last decade until now Greece put lots of weapons and soldiers on these islands. This is the Lausanne peace treaty article 13 ;
Article 13
With a view to ensuring the maintenance of peace, the Greek Government undertakes to observe the following restrictions in the islands of Mytilene, Chios, Samos and Nikaria:
(1)No naval base and no fortification will be established in the said islands.
(2)Greek military aircraft will be forbidden to fly over the territory of the Anatolian coast. Reciprocally, the Turkish Government will forbid their military aircraft to fly over the said islands.
(3)The Greek military forces in the said islands will be limited to the normal contingent called up for military service, which can be trained on the spot, as well as to a force of gendarmerie and police in proportion to the force of gendarmerie and police existing in the whole of the Greek territory.
Shame this one side and arrogant video!! You have no respect for countries having free policy’s. If they don’t think like you, they are tyrants, authoritarians. I am very sick of it!!!
What éver people thinking about Orbán we Hungárián stand by his leadership.We are people of Turian with Mongol and Hunnis background and flexsible enaff to to stay together based on our language and colorfull particular .
Greetings to our Hungarian historical friends from Türkiye
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Love Turkey
As a Romanian living in Transylvania for generations, I don't even want to watch this. If they want war they will have war.
ChatGPT: Following the Decree of Turda in 1437, Romanians in Transylvania were increasingly marginalized and excluded from political power, which was consolidated under the Unio Trium Nationum. This union excluded the Orthodox Romanians from political and social life in Transylvania. Over the centuries, particularly from the 16th century onward, the nobility became synonymous with Hungarianness, and Romanian nobles who wanted to retain power had to adopt Hungarian customs and convert to Catholicism.
Thus, Romanians faced a period from at least the mid-15th century until the 19th century where they were not allowed to settle in cities or participate in the political power structures of Transylvanian cities, effectively marginalizing them from urban settlement privileges.
De ce te-ai dus fix în evul mediu? În evul mediu toți erau persecutați. 😂😂
@@johnmanole4779 toți românii da. Uita-te pe statistici și ai să vezi că Ungaria are azi 20-35% etnici Romi în estul și nordul țării.
Apoi caută să vezi ce drepturi au și cât participă în viața politică. Oamenii s-au schimbat prea puțin din evul mediu până acum.
@@decemvre Given your post, I sometimes wonder why relations between Romania and Ukraine are so chilly. Considering the potential rivals (Magyars), the same religion and the good relations between the Republic of Moldova and Ukraine, it seems that these two countries should have closer relations. Maybe you have some opinion on this as a Romanian citizen.
@@Dar3MaxtaS That's quite simple. It stems from the Kremlin's divide and conquer policy and shortly after the breakup of the USSR from our (both Ukraine and Romania) own stupidity.
The Kremlin always (after 1947) scared Ukraine that Romania wanted back Moldovan territories (which we secretly did) which Stalin annexed and the Romanian parliament voted against Ukrainian independence in 1990 claiming that Ukraine could not become independent given that it was illegally occupying lands that Stalin illegally annexed.
On the Ukrainian side, Ukraine permitted the Russian army to participate in the Russo-Moldovan war in which Transnistria became separatist when Moldova wanted to unite with Romania. And also Ukrainians volunteered to fight Moldova to prevent it from uniting with Romania.
@@Dar3MaxtaS Oh and Ukraine had plenty plenty of nukes back then so it's not as if Russia could go to war with Ukraine over wanting to attack Moldova. So the decision was made in Kiev to allow the Russian army to attack Moldova.
If Kiev had chosen then to let Moldova unite with Romania they would have kept their nukes and independence, at that point.
"The main loser of WWI and WWII was Hungary. Trianon was unjust. Hungary was always respectful of ethnical minorities within its territory."
Exactly 116 years ago, the Hungarian Parliament adopted the 26th and 27th articles of the Hungarian Code, which, together with other regulations from 1908, are usually referred to as Apponyi's school laws. They were the last significant step that was supposed to contribute to the Magyarization of the whole Great Hungary.
In elementary schools, the teaching of the Hungarian language was prescribed, so that in the fourth grade the pupil could express his thoughts in Hungarian in words and in writing. Conscious Hungarians should have come out of elementary schools, regardless of what their mother tongue was.
It was only the culmination of a started process, the end of which was supposed to be a unified Hungarian nation speaking the Hungarian language.
The laws bear the name of their creator, who was the Minister of Culture and Education, Albert Apponyi. In Slovakia, his name became synonymous with the peak of violent Magyarization.
In the Hungarian national consciousness, according to contemporary Hungarian historian József Demmel, these
laws are known only hazily. Apart from a few focused experts, almost no one knows about them.
In Hungary, Apponyi's name is more associated with the unsuccessful Trianon peace negotiations after the First World War, which ended in 1920 with the definitive fall of the Great Hungary.
The 70s of the 18th century were a turning point for Slovaks in the Great Hungary. In 1875, Matica slovenská (National institution for Slovak interests) was abolished. Its building in the town of Martin was designated for government institutions, the government confiscated the funds and later used them to finance Magyarization associations. They immediately abolished the Slovak high schools.
Kálman Tisza made no secret of his aim to make the whole society Hungarian. His intention was to start at an early age, that is why he advocated the systematic introduction of Hungarian into schools. The School Law of 1879 legislated Hungarian as a compulsory language in all primary schools in the Great Hungary. Its goal was that every citizen could learn the state language.
The law on secondary schools from 1883 caused the complete Magaryzation of all state high schools. Hungarian language and literature became compulsory subjects for all students, who also had to take the final exam in Hungarian.
It is worth stopping at the Kálman Tisza´s school law, because a rare phenomenon occurred here - an influential Hungarian member of parliament spoke out against it. In it we find an example of a Hungarian politician who decided to go against the flow and that was his end. Lajos Mocsáry, a nobleman and a fearless man who advocated the granting of autonomous status to minorities, accused the proponents of the law directly contradicting the nationality law of 1868, which generally existed only on paper and was not implemented in practice at all. Mocsáry did nothing but stick to his own program, which advocated the rights of nationalities. He also spoke out against the abolition of Matica slovenská. In the parliament, he spoke for the expansion of nationality rights and against the Magyarization policy. The Independent party later expelled him. In 1889, Mocsáry was again elected to parliament, this time supported almost exclusively by Romanian voters. Nevertheless, he ended up as a political mummy, because his Hungarian colleagues wanted nothing to do with him.
The most severe, Apponyi school laws were adopted by the government in 1907. Another part of the law was that after the end of the fourth grade, children in all schools must be able to speak and write the Hungarian language. They were also allowed to speak only in Hungarian. Pictures from Hungarian history had to hang in the classrooms.Teachers were required to take an oath in Hungarian in presence of a government inspector. They could not bypass it in any way, because if they refused, they would be prosecuted for anti-state thinking. The government thus controlled all schools, state and church.
Such school laws are unthinkable for us today, while they were created only a little over a hundred years ago. In the literature, the statement of the Hungarian member of parliament Béla Grünwald from his book Felvidék from 1878 is often mentioned, where he writes that "the secondary school is like a big machine, where hundreds of Slovaks enter at one end and come out as Hungarians at the other". This was the goal of Apponyi's laws.The subject of Hungarian language often surpassed all the others combined in number of lessons, but it usually did not teach the children fluent Hungarian. The reason was simple. After leaving school, they stuck to their Slovak or Romanian, as their parents taught them.
The result was rather a decrease in the quality of teaching, because next to Hungarian language, there was less time left for other subjects or their teaching became incomprehensible to the pupils in Hungarian. Czech teacher Karel Kálal, who personally visited Slovakia in those days, wrote: "I tested several Slovak children from Hungarian schools and I was convinced that they did not know the multiplication, they did not know the world sides, they did not even know the clock, but above all: they had no opinion."
Another consequence of the harsh school laws was the escape of students to schools abroad. Then they returned to the Great Hungary with rebellious views. Slovaks left for Bohemia and Moravia, where the conditions for the national rights were incomparable.
Before the First World War, teaching in Slovak was practically stopped in public schools in Slovakia. Only one-sixth of children received information in Slovak in primary schools. In 1913, statistics said that in the Great Hungary (together with Croatia) there were 369 primary schools with at least partial teaching in the Slovak language, no high school with the Slovak language. In terms of percentage, primary schools with the Slovak language made up two percent of all primary schools in the Great Hungary, for high schools it was zero.
And this despite the fact that the 1910 census, which bore strong signs of manipulation, registered 1.97 million people speaking Slovak as their mother tongue in the Great Hungary, which means that they made up 9.4 percent of the total number. The numbers for the most numerous nation say that in the Great Hungary Hungarian native speakers numbered 10.05 million (48.1 percent) and had 13,692 primary schools (73.6 percent of the total). In high schools, the proportion with Hungarian as the teaching language was even higher - 84.9 percent.
Comparing the numbers leads to a single conclusion - the policy of Magyarization of education was slowly coming to a succesful end. The Hungarians only needed to acquire the remaining one quarter of all primary schools and a little more than one tenth of secondary schools in order to be completely homogeneous.
If we deduct from all these numbers the Croats, who had a semi-autonomous status and had ten percent of primary and nine percent of secondary schools, then the numbers for the Hungarians would be even more favorable and the final goal even closer.
Education was supposed to be the most effective method of Magyarization, because it took things straight from the floor. However, there were many more methods among the adult population.
...The Slovak deputy, Ferdiš Juriga, elected in 1910, became famous in mid-October 1918 when he declared in the Hungarian Parliament that the Slovaks had created their own national council, which would decide their fate. He indicated a possible connection between the Slovaks and the Czechs. The lower house laughed at him, and a few days later Albert Apponyi declared: "We do not know Czechoslovakia, Bohemia is a reality, the rest is just a formula."
A year later, Apponyi, as the head of the Hungarian delegation at the peace negotiations in Paris, asked the victorious post-war powers to preserve historic Hungary "in the name of civilization, because only this state is capable of ensuring peace, order and prosperity for the population." Aponnyi remained the same person and, as a sign of his unchanging attitude, did not sign the humiliating Treaty of Trianon. It was signed by designated representatives, who then disappeared from public life.
Very smart cookie this Orban who believes on sovereingty not submission. Great leader.
Until now Turkey invaded Syria 3 times and is expanding its infrastructure there: Schools, telecommunications, banking, administration. They drove out the Kurds (ethnic cleansing). One could see this as preparation for an annexation. And they support the Islamists in Libya. There is a small Turkish or Turk-descended population there. Also, they could try to create a land bridge between Turkey and Azerbaijan. One people, two states. Which gives Turkey the possibility to move troops on the Iranian border and have access to the Caspian Sea. North Iran is inhabited by lots of Azerbaijanis. Turkey has a lot of "projects" running, and I guess as long as Greece doesn't become a pacifist country, the threat is low compared to these other locations.
Yeah, Greece also has a defense pact with France, so Turkey attacking Greece would literally be the end of Erdogan
@@user-rv6cx3rz7t yes, because the French are known for their military prowess.
@@MrTaxiRob they wete the colonial power of Africa to last the longest woth influence and the like
@@Huminahumina465 oh wow, how amazing that they conquered people with scarcely better than medieval technology. You really love colonialism, don't you?
@@MrTaxiRob hey, IM just saying that shows France does have military capabilities. They’re number one in the EU
I may be missing something, but i was under the impression that Hungary lost its sovereignty in the early sixteenth century, when it was crushed by the Turks and what remained became under Habsburg rule. Only after the fall of the European land empires in 1918 did a sovereign Hungary emerge.
To be, the Hungarian attitude towards their "lost" empire is the most hypocritical of all, without Habsburg support, Hungary would have been wiped of the map centuries ago.
As long as any Habsburg wore the title of "King of Hungary", Hungary existed. It even had its own version of Parliament. It was a lot like Croatia had been in Medieval Hungary. An international coalition later restored medieval Hungary's lands to the Hungarian Crown by expelling the Ottomans, except for Transylvania, which passed directly to the Austrian Crown for a time. This was amended in 1867, reconstituting the medieval borders & forming the dual monarchy, aka. the Empire. Austria governed the Habsburg hereditary lands & Hungary governed all its former territories. Austria got the pot & Hungary was left holding the bag of problems. 😂 Hungary was never an empire in itself, just a kingdom in a problematic location.
As a Romanian I only send you Congratulations for your post.!
But what has Habsburg or any support to do with the scandal of trianon treaty, in which large masses of Hungarians were forced to live under hostile and racist antant regimes, suffering from oppression and the most brutal regimes like Tito,s or Ceaucescu,s, even committed genocides against Hungarians by the most brutal ways? Do you think that demanding the practice of ensuring ethnic minority rights or autonomy which the antant countries faced in the peace pacts, is hipocrisy or what? Anyway, Hungary lost his state of middle power by Turk attacks in defence of Europe, without us in Wienna and paris you would see not secular european countries, but ia bunch of islamic kalifates, paying tax to Erdogan, while Romania was reigned by the grabd-grand-grandson of Vlad Tepes Dracul, making joyful mass impalements on ewvery saturday?
Hungary fought back the Ottoman for two centuries, without any help. They were mad and threatened Europe, mainly attacking from Spain or Italy. Venice and Paris made a deal with them, they offered the middle third of a Christian country, Hungary. Venice but mostly France financed an inside war in Hungary for the Crown (Maidan 2014 if you follow), and paid off the authonom Transylvania (1/3 rd of the country) to stay away from the fight, not to arrive for Independence of the Ottoman. Habsburgs were (forgive me) f.. ng nobody. They were sponsored. If you any brain, Google it what it is, you would know that before the invasion Matthias Rex, the feared Hungarian King resided in Vienna for 30 years, and in fact built it mostly. All we need is dum f..ks like you telling history.
@@ive0804What do you mean Romanian? The small and intelligent part, survivals of the Roman Empire, or those low IQ Olah or Vlads, who can populate down whole countries in few decades and English voted for Brexit, just to get rid of them. Which "Romanian" did you mean?
As a Hungarian I agree with that "when you have no future, you live in the past". (John Grisham) - And I'm sure that there is a big plan in Orban's brain, because he is a great strategicm but he is liar, unfair. Sometimes I hate being Hungarian because he is our prime minister.
What about the deeds of your ancestral homeland in the middle-east?
I say: it is not mandatory being Hungarian "rather few lions than many rabbits ..." ... just take the easier way of living (cowardly) ... melt in and dissapear in irrelevance ... Hungarians are people who want to make a difference in the world!