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Running from the comments section... haha! Was not nearly fast enough for that. Plus, some of the comments or sentiments should be observed so you can better your craft and widen your perspective.
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Get more older participants for topics like this please! George and Ryan had no chance lol
No
@@TheNinjapancake14 yes please! They were eliminating because of age...
The fact that there are still people in 2023 who still believe that the earth is flat is so impressive for me
They probably believe mRNA is safe, and big pharma is trust worthy too.
More like sad.
Zherka
@@dylanwtff1370oh how’d I know one of these replies would be saying zherka 😂
Considering that there are still people who support Democracy, people who like Capitalism, and people who like Globalisation, flat earthers are not that big of a surprise
I love that the flat earther had to sit there and be insulted as everyone else laughs that flat earthers are real
Small price to pay to be on TV
They're used to it though
FR
Well, they're flat wrong, so...
Yes😭
I feel so bad for George. He literally got voted out for saying it’s important that you keep an open mind, and used the greatest possible example in Einstein.
Thank you for noticing.
Few seem to realize that most of the great scientific ideas were from outliers (including Einstein, Tesla, and Faraday) or the result of decades of debate and research. Even the scientific community doesn't simply recognize an improved theory and instantly accepts it, and there will never be a theory that cannot be improved on or eventually found to be inaccurate.
@@WhetScience you were the smartest one in the group.
@@harkharajbharali808 Thank you for saying! You are very kind. ☺
He got voted out for saying that space is flat
hes correct space is flat but it can curve @@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally
I feel like George was twice as smart as everyone else in the room and he said things that went over their head, causing them to vote him out.
Thank you for that!
to be fair he made himself look suspicious lmao
bro said that space is flat and that he has a whole argument for it. bro is a crackpot. no hate, but he's a crackpot. I don't blame them for voting him out
He also said the moon landing probably isn’t real so you know...
That was more Ikponmwosa that was saying that@@APairOfOldSkoolVans
The fact that his fiancée is THAT lady is absolutely wild 😂
Omg yess cause she is sooo crazy for arguing with an ASTROPHYSICIST!!
Idk how he deals with her, unless he black pilled her 😮
@@DanHoslerhow do black pill someone? Just curious.
@@kekekong9Not what black pilled means
i actually screamed
i feel bad for george, he is basically saying he is educated enough in the topic to completely discredit the flat earth theory, but because he kept explaining himself too much he just made himself sound like the flat earther
Yeah thats what made me think it wasn’t him, also the way robert reacted to when he spoke made me think it was him
I immediately knew it was him because of those cargo shorts, he sounds a little sad in his tone, and when he said "I've had multiple jobs". People who fall into conspiracies start off in a vulnerable state in their life depressed looking for something to believe in. Its honestly sad, I feel bad for these people.
@llux Thanks for that. In my experience, some of the most interesting revelations are made while considering what appear to be ridiculous ideas. Even if I wholly disagree and can find no rationalization, it always leads me to a new revelation.
That being said, I also talk too much! 😅
@@WhetScience nah bro I enjoyed hearing you talk, keep it up brother👍💪
I believe we can only progress from considering all possibilities, even plainly invalid ones.
I also talk too much. 😆
The editors tried so hard to make George look guilty
It worked on me for a moment. Then I picked it and I said, why would the editors do that... So maybe he's not the mole?
I completely agree with George. You have to keep an open mind to everything you can’t just assume something is wrong without proving it first. I remember learning in science class that is exactly what scientists do.
Disclaimer: I do not believe in a flat earth.
Thank you for your kind and insightful words.
Science must be a continuous process of doubt and validation. As we make new discoveries and more refined observations, we always need to be open to the idea of finding the next more true theory even if we must admit we were mistaken previously. Even the most outlandish idea may lead, even if indirectly, to a new discovery.
But as for the geometry of this or any other planet, a sphere for sure. It's hard to even think of an angle where any other topology is valid. 😅
@@skyyyybbgo ahead and prove the globe. Get me a video of Australia at the bottom of the ball, with people and buildings upside down
@@skyyyybbthen get me a video of 66.6 degrees tilt, that causing seasons
@@Globeishoax just because I have a different opinion than you and I have posted it on a public forum doesn’t mean I’m required to convince you of it. I respect that you can believe whatever you want, so please do the same for me.
He really said, “i feel like i should start making up arguments for flat earth to spice things up” lmaoo
That's when i know he's not the mole lol
we watched the video
@@unoriginalconten5217 Did we?
@@unoriginalconten5217they know… r u special or something. they were saying how that quote was funny like how a person might repeat something someoen said that was funny to them in a convo 🤦♂️
@@unoriginalconten5217 Obviously. Just as Kian5374 said, people quote things from videos they like or find funny.. you know the crazier part?? Those type of comments usually ALWAYS have the MOST likes & comments on videos. On almost every video I've ever watched, the comments with the most likes are a simple verbatim quote from the video. 🤷♀
I wish we heard more of his reasoning behind why he believed that
He believes it because he doesn't want to admit he's wrong, that's literally true for every flat earther. There is so much evidence the earth is not flat and NO EVIDENCE the earth is flat. They say "pictures of a round earth are photoshopped" meanwhile they don't have a single photograph of a flat earth, they're all DRAWN plus they're all illustrated DIFFERENTLY, they can't even agree on the same idea of what a flat earth would be, they illustrate countries being in completely illogical places, like we have planes you know? We can visually see where countries are on the earth. They are hypocrites. It's so incredibly simple to prove it too, without even thinking, travel in one direction and you'll return to where you started. But not a single one wants to do this. There's a documentary from a few years ago where flat earthers use a lazer to prove the earth is flat, it proves the earth is not flat and you know what they do? They admit they were wrong. LOL NOT, they say they must have made an error in the testing. Also the "travel in one direction" thing I mentioned earlier, a guy in the documentary said he's got the funding to do it, it's been multiple years since the doco and guess how long it took him to the do the trip around the world? Oh he didn't, because he knows it'll prove him wrong and my first point in this comment was they don't want to admit they're wrong, so they're obviously not gonna do a test that they cannot lie themselves out of when it prove the earth is not flat.
Same!
Because his crazy fiance says so.
As someone who dipped my toes into those ideas, I think it's 80% distrust for the government and 20% distrust for scientific hubris. A very large amount of what we consider to be 'facts' about space comes from people that are not credible or trustworthy. A common theme is that there is something either in space or "beneath Antarctica" which is so valuable or powerful that the government misrepresented space in order to access it. Another is that aliens project space onto a dome or bubble around us. I came around to the idea because while pursuing my degree, I learned that a lot of concepts about space that are accepted as fact are based entirely on mathematics that can't be tested or verified. I also learned that a lot of the things we consider to be 'tested and verified' are actually very inconsistent in observations.
My go to example is that we accept it as a fact that the speed of light is a constant. and all of our measurements of the distance to and composition of objects in space rely on the assumption that the speed of light is a constant. Yet in reality, every single test that has ever attempted to measure the speed of light had yielded a distinct and different value. We have actually never performed two tests which yielded the same value EVER. If we were to accept that the speed of light in a vacuum is NOT constant (which should be obvious when we know that gravitational forces bend light) then we would have to accept that every single time weve ever measured the distance to anything in space, the values are almost definitely wrong.
Point being, when you don't trust them to actually know, and you don't trust them to be honest with what they do know, it leaves a lot of room for whatever idea someone throws at you that they can make sound credible. I am skeptical and rational and it didnt take me too long to realize they dont have any credible evidence, so I dont believe the Earth is flat, but I also don't believe that the vast majority of information we are taught about space is accurate or true.
There's no reasoning
So out of seven people there were 3 conspiracy theorists: a flat earther, a moon-landing denier, and a... theory of relativity denier?
Moon is a luminary light. It’s not a place you can ‘land’ on
@@Globeishoaxomfg
@@GlobeishoaxIf true, it wouldn't ever have shadows.
Einstein did not use Minkowski spacetime to create his theory of special relativity. He treated time as a separate entity from spatial dimensions. The spacetime model was proposed several years after he published.
Although spacetime is the most popular conceptual tool for describing relativity, it has been largely incompatible with quantum mechanics which emerged decades later. And the recent LIGO interferometer observations have shown a surprising lack of the distortion one would expect to see if gravity waves were traveling through warped space.
In short, utilization or "belief" in relativity is not dependent on a literalization of the spacetime manifold model. Feel free to follow my link in the video description (George) if you want to know more.
@@WhetScience The gravitational lensing evidenced in the James Webb First Deep Field literally proves that space bends and warps due to gravity though, you really think that if gravity doesn't bend space-time the scientific community wouldn't have figured that out by now? In the 70-odd years since general relativity has been accepted as fact?
I did NOT get why George showing that he's intelligent or knows a lot made them think he's a flat earther?? That was actually what convinced me that he isn't one
Thank you for your comment!
To be fair, here is a list of people I'm confident would have also been voted off of the show if they shared their views on science:
Einstein - Gravity is fictional, and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is impossible.
Tesla - Electrons don't exist.
Hubble - The universe is eternal and static...and accelerating...but forever...?
Faraday - VERY Fundamentalist Christian.
Everyone constantly name drops these pioneers (😁 guilty) to try and validate theories that they would have never agreed to, even if they were alive today. The moment they said anything they would be voted out for sure!
People get scared of things they don't understand. George is more intelligent than the others, so I am with you on that one.
Because flat earthers usually do lots of research so they can use it to strengthen their own argument, ofc they only take what's beneficial for them
@@minji1877they dont do research. I was "into" flat earth for 4 years. Usually they watch yt as only source of information
I mean, if it is a game about getting the liar and odd one out it was fairly risky for him to take the stance he did, If i have to eliminate someone and hee seems risky I would vote him out to be on the safe side
'Globe Earthers' isn't a thing.
That's just the common knowledge of anyone with an elementary education.
It’s just a name to distinguish them from flat earther. It just means “not flat earther”
@@mikepictor Exactly. As in majority of the human population and the "norm". Flat earthers are the ones that should be distinguished because they're going against the norm.
@@mikepictor doesn't need to be said. Its delusional like cis women and men.
"Common knowledge" is not scientifically sound. The times in history when "common knowledge" was turned on its head by a maverick are uncountable. There are hundreds of citable examples and even Einstein faced a hundred scientists who opposed his Theory of Relativity. They all signed a letter challenging his beliefs and presented him with it. "Why a hundred?", Einstein reportedly asked, "If I am wrong, one would do."
And no, I am not a flat earther but that is because I have actually investigated the proofs of a round earth and found the "globist" argument to be sound. I cannot say the same for a few other widely-believed "truths".
The elementary education explains in exact detail the way the earth is round? It’s funny we all believe to be some expert because our fourth grade teacher told us and we got no follow up. But sure, that elementary education really solidified the hard facts for you and now you can so easily explain why it’s round that no flat earther should exist!
The fact someone asked to provide a defense for flat earthers and Ikponmwosa was the only one to answer and afterwards have him voted out the next round based on him answering the question is mildly infuriating
the reason why i think it was reasonable to vote him out is that he as the only one wanted to end the game. obviously he just believed the mole was out (i did too), but that could be also a hint that he is the mole. it was very unfortunate how the dice fell for him, but in the end there is no real evidence who is the mole.
he was a confirmed conspiracy theorist bc of the whole moon thing… i think voting him out was logical.
He was annoying I'm glad he was voted out
He threw suspicion on himself by talking about the moon and then no one added anything besides George. No one else stood out so it was just natural for him to be voted out.
@@draedon_On scientific topics, today, Catholicism is actually the least bigot of all Christian denominations. The Creationism movement for example is 100% a Protestant fraud and the Vatican never even considered it seriously.
george literally had been such a chill vibe in all his videos, like he has such an open and accepting mind and seems like he would be really fun to just have philosophical chats with
When they introduced themselves I was like "It's Ryan, Ryan looks like a flat earther," but then along the way I convinced myself it wouldn't be the obvious person so I was sure it was Jose for a while because he's quiet and his reactions to people saying flat earthers are single and live with their parents looked to me like he disagreed with that/wanted to argue but couldn't.
Probably to say "I live with my parents and I know the Earth is round"...but, like who would admit to that?
Everybody said in the intro: The earth is round. Ryan said. The. Earth. Is. Round. And that is what gave him away from the get go for me'
@@r0260064 I don't understand why they use the term "round", because round as a shape could easily be flat or 2D. Isn't way more correct to say "sphere" or "globe"?
Kinda bothers me ngl, because flat earthers mostly think the Earth is like a disc or a plate, which is round shaped, although I guess there's some that think it's a square??? No clue, I'm just ranting about nothing
Now do six flat earther and one sane person
LMAO that would be great
I think they’d struggle to find enough flat earthers for the episode, and the flat earth community is probably so small that they’d all recognise each other anyway. Would have to be one of those online ones where they’re all typing in a chat
YESSS
@@meinkanta You would be surprised as to how many ignorant Flat Earthers there are on the planet...there are maybe thousands.
@@meinkanta I think that their community is growing. Distrust in the government is increasing, and stupidity likewise.
i absolutely knew it was him as soon as he started “making fun” of flat-earthers, you could see it in his face that he was just being sarcastic. also the fact that switched careers so much to get to where he is now 👀
Yeah, felt like he just threw software engineering in there to sound sophisticated lol
I knew it was him when he replied "yeah" when the guy said 'you could fisheye the photo' lol
Yeah, the "single and lives with their parents" seemed like too harsh & prejudiced opinion most people wouldn't feel comfortable publicly expressing online & knowing there's a flat earther among them.
@@alimachowdhury7435 exactly this!!
A lot of flat earther’s are “teachers”, because they want to influence others.
Not a flat earther but the stuff these people said about Political beliefs, Religion, Critical thinking, younger generation being smarter etc. Was more wild than who was the flat earther tbh
Totally agree. Was looking for comments about this
Why are you not a flat earther? Do you really believe sun is 90 mil miles away and seasons caused by 66.6 degrees tilt?
@@Globeishoax the sun is 99.8% of the solar systems mass so yes, i do
@@Globeishoaxthe sun is super far away, and the seasons are caused by the tilt of the earth (and that tilt is not nearly 66°) It’s similar to electric flux. It’s all about the area that the light has to cover
Yea that was wild
I found it weird that they voted out the older ppl before and reasoned it by saying that they were more educated by being younger… like???
They're all liberals what do you expect? 😂
but were they wrong?
They weren’t wrong though
George is older and, quite obviously, smarter than the rest of that panel. @@xcg4278
@@xcg4278yes they were
I like the fact that Jubilee showed the backstage at 14:26, it made the episode feel more organic.
Also nice they showed us the people voted off are still watching.
@@outsideaglass Lol of course they are. What did you think, they went outside for a smoke?
@@apolicumimagine being a that rude to strangers for no reason
@@bethsparks3566LMAOOOOOO it was a little snide cmon bro
Never seen that on a Jubilee video before and it's nice to know more about how they produce it
Although i aint no flat earther, i like ryan’s statement that “we are taught more what to think instead of how to think”
i thought it was kinda cool the way he said its a wacky idea and stuff id love to know why he thinks its flat but ive never heard any kind of reasoning thats even remotely logical lol
I think he doesn’t actually believe it’s flat but says he is to engage thinking in his students.
@@elefanamir9087 his fiance was in this other video and she definitely believed it was flat, it was wild
@@erikaalexx2372I'm not a flat earther, but I know the flat earth model very well. It has answers to what causes all of our natural phenoma, but as soon as you dive into how those things work, their model is just faith based. One classic is their explanation of gravity, I've heard too explanations from flat eathers on this, 1) that the earth disc is simply moving upward and our own momentum is the gravity we feel. This falls apart because the earth disc would need to be accelerating at 9.8m/s/s which means it would be going well beyond the speed of light by now. The other i that its merely buoyancy, that we are sinking in the atmosphere, which is technically true tbf, but this fails when you explain that materials of different densities do absolutely separate, but the heavier one going down is due to gravity. So I then ask, "yes we are more dense than air, but what makes us separate downward toward the earth? if its just buoyancy without gravity, we could all settle to the side, not down" then they just shrug their shoulders because at the end of the day flat earth iis just religious faith in a new package.
@elefanamir9087 he's married to a flat earther so she has probably messed with his head over time
12:54 as a person who watches this show pretty frequently too, I'm glad one of the contestants broughts that up. I think about it everytime, as I'm playing the game with them (and not looking at the damn comments cause of the spoilers). Jubilee like to make it seem obvious and then throw us off with the appearance of the actual mole.
I love it "a lot of flat earthers do their research" How can you argue something if you don't know what your are arguing against.
I had the same thought
I knew it was Ryan from the beginning. The way he said "I believe the earth is round" in the intro in a way that sounded too vehement while staring into the camera made him look suspicious and then he asked if anyone had heard of the flat early theory because it's probably his hobby
He tried to keep his eyes as wide open as he could. Although eye contact is a sign of being honest, it can also be a sign of lying. Natural eye contact is one thing, but forced eye contact is another. Pretty easy to tell the difference when you're able to read body language and non-verbal cues/communication.
That's also the first thing I noticed. 👍
Yeah, I knew it from how he said the earth is round as well
I like to read the comments before watching the video and you just spoiled it for me, also no need to flex for knowing who it was
1. Cargo shorts
2. "I've had multiple jobs"
3. Sad tone in his voice
These people are depressed and looking for something to believe in while living in this chaotic world.
@@janaidelacruz1829as tempting as it can be, don’t ever read these comments before the vid. I’ve never not seen it spoiled in the top 5 comments of any video.
The scary part is how chill and unbothered he is, when actually it’s just insane.
What’s insane.
An example of insanity: Wearing a mask because strangers told you to.
@@Kyle_G1993😐 it’s just a mask, sir! I swear that little cloth won’t strip your rights away!
@@Kyle_G1993sorry not sorry but masks arent some kind of evil thing in the world 💀
@@Kyle_G1993uhhh ok, I wore one because I care about people and my loved ones
I love the comment that the flat Earther made at the end of video about how people hate when someone believes something different. Perfectly sums up how the world works, even shown in this comment section. Even if what he is saying is may be false, keeping an open mind to all possibilities is a way to seek truth while having calm rational discussions without negativity.
Everything should be considered with an open mind, but once overwhelming evidence is presented, then an understanding can be formed, and those who willfully reject any evidence should be treated like the idiots they are in that topic (but respectfully as fellow humans of course)
@@zildjiandrummer1 My field of academic expertise is economics. The mainstream consensus is entirely in error. Notice, members of the mainstream say the EXACT same thing as you do.
@@seankennedy4284 Economics is messy and inherently deals with humans and game theory, while many sciences have repeatable, predictable, and verifiable experiments. Not sure what your point is but if 99% of experts agree on something, and if I agree with the methods and process they use to get there, then that's what it is. Flat earthers are not some academic crew arguing whether string theory is still applicable and how many dimensions exist, it's super basic stuff, and the internet's echo chambers enforce their beliefs.
@@zildjiandrummer1 sum:
Just stop taking so many things for granted.
Each idea must stand or fall on its own merits, unfortunately. I say unfortunately, because it takes some amount of expertise to know whether a given idea, with a field of pursuit, is valid or potentially so.
All I'm saying is, people go around taking for granted the truths of what their teachers and textbooks tell them. In economics, this is a disaster for society that cannot be gone into here. But for instance, the fact our money is managed by a privately owned entity disguised as a government agency ought to give one a decent indication of the 'disaster' I'm referring to. But it goes MUCh further than that.
So if it can happen in econ, it can (and, importantly, WILL) happen in other fields, too. Simply to serve the interests of whoever runs the show in those fields.
And I've seen enough critique of the conduct of academic science to know that, yes, it too, is VERY far from the scientific ideal of disinterested and objective truth seekers.
@@zildjiandrummer1 My first reply got blocked by the powers that be. Basically, stop taking for granted everything you're taught in school. The problem in econ imposes MASSIVE wealth transfers, from the populace at large to those running the show behind the scenes at the top. And if it can happen in econ (where $$ incentives dictate people --- and more of them --- will seek truth more diligently than otherwise) it can and will happen elsewhere. This goes for physical sciences too. Again and again I've seen examples and arguments (indeed entire books) speaking to the lack of objective science being conducted. I'm not saying THEREFORE everything must be thrown out, I'm saying take nothing for granted. Each idea must be examined in and of itself. Painstaking and slow, but necessary.
You should film a "Middle Ground" episode featuring minimalists and fashion influencers
and invite the shein brand trip people !!
Kat kept using the term "free-thinking" when accusing someone as the mole. I just know flat earthers and their egos are going to love that one, though I'm sure she meant to use different wording.
To be fair, to believe something crazy or at least so outside of the norm, you do need to be free thinking
free-thinking = believing lies
Scientists have to be open minded and consider even the craziest of ideas. I don’t believe the earth is flat but you can’t shame people for doubting what is considered “real” by society. That is the road to ignorance and being indoctrinated
Thinking outside the box. Oh dear.
Yeah, the way she meant it is probably along the lines of "so open minded your brains fall out"
actually the mole was visually the most flat earther looking person in the room
This comment is hilarious 😂
yeah when i see them i was like it's either him or the guy in orange
Ah yes let's attach labels on people based on their appearances
@@missemotional8710its hard to say dont judge a book by its cover but we cant really cant we?
@@bashbaby it really depends how much someone's open-minded. Imagine if I labeled all rappers as shady impoverished thugs whilst they make more than some bankers
"We're younger, and therefore more educated" ... 🤦♂
The idea that a flat earther must be a conservative white guy, when one of the most prominent ones to talk about it was Kyrie Irving is hilarious.
Or even the religion thing. Most people in the country believe the earth is round and most people are religious.
They should of let him explain why he believes its flat
Ya i was waiting on that…
watch the episode who was made with his wife, they probably have the exact same arguments
@@tr4sh.doll_ yeah but not to be mean, his wife seems like a stereotypical flat earther, a little wacky. But Rick seemed a little more level headed and isn't the stereotypical flat earther so it would of been nice to hear it in his words. I mean he even said he knows it's wacky. Especially since he said he became a flat earther with his whole team while working. I wonder what happened that they all became flat earthers after. He said "there is things you don't think about until you do" I wonder what though lol
Should have, not should of. I totally agree though.
I understand that some people feel the need to question whether things are true or false by making their own opinions and a lot of research to not blindly believe what they learned or heard but about Earth being flat there are soooo many proofs and facts that make it impossible to be a lie.
also why would anyone feel the need to lie about such a pointless thing
You misunderstand him. He feels the need to question and form his own opinions... but he does no actual research. He just finds people who agree with him and then says "Research done, I was right, anyone telling me what to believe are manipulating me (except the people telling me to believe the Earth is flat)". People who actually do real research, looking for scientific and empirical evidence, don't arrive at such a ridiculous conclusion.
This type of argument/debate should always be objective. You can't "win" or change someone's point of view on something by being subjective with something like this. Maybe a different type of argument like fear of heights & why I'd never go skydiving, or why dark chocolate is better than milk chocolate, can be subjective. But not something like if the earth is round or flat. You need facts, proof, evidence, and credibility to back up your logic & reasoning.
Same goes for the moon landing, yet this guy openly admits to not believing in it and everyone on the show was just nodding their heads and didn't think much of it lmao. How is that any different. Shows how ignorant people really are to be fair. Not to forget 85% of the world being religious. Imagine the 15% would just talk to the rest of the world as we all do to flat earthers ^^ We pick and choose when and how to react
@@PotjandorieWell I don't believe it either. They also has tons of reasons to fake it. Like how is the flag blowing in the win when their is no win? They've lied about tons of things, but shape of the earth can be proven lots of ways because of science, the moon landing is different.
They voted them out in the order I had in my head of most to least suspicious 😂😂 I initially was like oh for sure it’s the Ryan guy, cause he asked if they had ever heard about it, but didn’t really say much beyond that, and all his other comments were very noncommittal. I was SUPER suspicious of George and then Ikponmwosa said the moon landing thing. I knew when they voted to keep playing, they were voting Ikponmwosa out after George had gotten voted out 🤣
Justice for George
Appreciated! 🙂
😊 Appreciated!
Yes
So 6 sane people vs one crazy person
I wouldn't call them drazy even though I'm a normal earther myself, although there can be exceptions
Jubilee inspires me.. My parents said if i get 60K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
@@namantherockstarno.
yeah sorry champ@@namantherockstar
girl if u dont go back to ur geometry homework @@namantherockstar
14:00 The Indian girl just nailed it😭🫶
the earth being round isn’t a belief, it’s a fact
But you got no proof
Some people need to see it for themselves, which to be honest is a completed fair way to live. It doesn't impact your life because anything that does impact you can be displayed in some way
@@Globeishoaxi have a brain. That’s my proof.
@@Globeishoax All flat earth experiments have failed.
Just a reminder.
Thank you
I was a sociology and Kinesiology double major! Tatum is literally the only other person I’ve ever seen with that combo 😅
That black guy always threw some racist "joke" and people don't care then tell me how black people are being opressed..
"as a young group we're more educated" lmao be so fr
I thought Ryan as soon as he said "single, lives with parents". Just got the *vibe* he was airing grievances about what he thinks people think about flat earthers. Also when he said "globe earther." Like, that's flat-earther lingo.
Globe earther makes more sense though. They kept saying "round Earth", but round can easily be a flat or 2D shape. Earth is spheroid.
@@declaracionespolemicas Yes, but most people don't have a name immediately to hand for "person who believes the Earth is spheroid." If you refer to someone as a 'globe-earther' you're at least familiar with flat-earth lingo.
Funny how people are willing to assume someone is a flat earther simply because they're religious or conservative
It's the same reason people are willing to assume the Earth is flat in the first place - no critical thinking skills.
Yeah I thought it was funny the black guy saying conservatives believe in the weirdest things but are happy for biological males to go into female toilets and compete at women's sports
or an older white man
The earth being flat is a very conservative idea and also mentioned in religious books so...
Cuz most to all flat earthers are conservative 😂
Like I get wut ur saying that there isn’t a causal effect, but there still is a correlational effect to flat earth theory and being a proponent of the Bible
LMAO at George when they started to grill him and he realized he was gonna be out😂😂😂
I'm chatty. 🤷♂
how did they grill him
Here's the thing, no matter how fundamental we may consider a scientific statement to be, people should be able to freely be skeptical of it and challenge it to come so that the discussion strengthen our understanding even more.
That is the ONLY way we make scientific progress. Most of the most progressive scientific theories in history were written by outliers. Faraday, Tesla, Einstein, all of them struggled to gain the respect of their peers.
Besides, globe is not a science, it’s pseudoscience
Fantasy and fiction
It's one thing to skeptical, it's another to be presented with evidence that completely refutes your point of view and you still stand your ground
@@LeeKnowsCatss what if that evidence doesn’t refute my point of view
What if you wrong
@@Globeishoaxthe flat earth theory isn’t a theory because it’s wrong and has no irrefutable evidence
My money was on Ikponmwosa. Believing the moon landing is a hoax is normally a dead giveaway.
No idea Ryan was a flat earther, since he talked about spherical geometry and calculating distances. He is probably just convinced by his wife (maybe).
George did give off flat earther vibes (since he constantly tried thinking from a flat earthers perspective), but all his talking points were completely valid and coherent which flat earther arguments so rarely are.
😊 I am flattered! Your comment is appreciated.
as much as it's hard to take the guy seriously, he seems like a pretty nice guy, but I honestly had a gut feeling it was him from the get go
Well at least I'm glad he's not a teacher anymore
He was an English teacher@@axelode45
@@soandso5058 it was just a joke dude
Yeah I feel like his career had little enough to do with it (compared to the others) that it only made sense
I'm shocked that they didn't all vote for Ryan in round 1. He wasn't trying to hide his position very hard! Maybe I just read body language a bit better than most people. I imagine being in person adds a totally different element too.
Literally 😭 I saw him and was like oh that’s obvious
Exactly, he gave it away with his body language
For some reason, at the very start when it showed each person saying, “I believe the Earth is round” I immediately clocked him
@@faireroux8802 same. His facial expression gave it right away.
@@faireroux8802 Same. It's because he couldn't even say it without giving a big sigh, like he thought the very idea was exhausting.
One of the youngsters said that “I feel like as a young group we’re more educated” but none of them were open minded nor educated enough to make anti-thesis like George..
10:39 no he is smart and very well spoken, he should have his own documentary
Thank you! I do like to talk about science!
To me, it feels like a psychological thing where a part of you feels validated to be supporting something that is a minority.
It's reactance. He said it himself, that he feels like everyone is indoctrinating him, but this he discovered for himself. It's literally "people all agreed and told me I should believe this... so now I won't!" It's a pretty universal instinct, but most mature and sane adults learn to suppress it instead of embracing it so hard.
@@KBRoller interesting, is that something who was studied or it is just a theory ? i'm curious
That's how people end up trying to make hot takes and form unpopular opinions about things that are pretty popular.
@@tr4sh.doll_Reactance is a psychological phenomenon that's been studied for quite a long time, at least since 1981, though possibly as far back as 1966 before it had a name. There are many studies on it since then to the present day.
@@KBRoller it's also why there's more overlap between flat earthers and antivaxxers. Is it wrong to question the shape of the earth and confirm that fact for yourself? No. Is it wrong to question vaccines and search for the evidence of their benefit for yourself? No. But both these groups' motives are not just confirmation, it's reactance and validating their hunch that when everyone does/knows a thing "just because," they are sheep, and these people could never be sheep, so will never fall in line.
The dead give away from Ryan is that he looked like he was annoyed at 2:56 😂
For me it was when he said he was a “believer”
Poor George like imagine being the only conservative in a room full of liberals
It's so arrogant to say you're more educated because you're younger.
There really is someone out there for everyone. Congrats to them!
LMAOOO
When they said that I was just thinking "PLEASE don't have kids, please don't have kids"
It’s hard to believe people still think the Earth is flat even with all of the scientific evidence 🌎
do more independent research; you'd be surprised
@@AdrenolinFluxmillions of independent research has proven the earth is round..
@@AdrenolinFlux Independent research by flat-earthers continue to prove the Earth is a globe. They just refuse to accept even their own results.
Conduct some experiments on your own, and you'll find out the earth is in FACT flat.
@@brndnii7840 as if I have a million fucks to give lmaoo no save your breath
Justice for George🥲
🙂 Thank you!
Finding out that Ryan's fiancé was that lady in the Middle Ground video was the lore I didn't know I needed.
"As a young group, we're more educated." Oh how wrong he is.
100%. Bless him, but definitely exuding some subtle - and unwarranted - arrogance throughout, that lad.
I strongly believe I was a much smarter person senior year in high school than I am now. You are constantly being challenged by your teachers, you're constantly critically thinking and training your brain. After high school, it's all about learning how to be an adult, taking care of yourself, and how to survive in society which doesn't take much brain power. When you stop working your brain and critically thinking, it goes downhill from there. It's like working out your muscles. If you don't train them, they shrink.
So yes I believe these younger people are more educated than us older people because their priorities are education.
We just have more wisdom than younger people because we have more experience than them..
@@lalobarron5881 _"how to survive in society which doesn't take much brain power"_
As a student, one is insulated from the real world, cloistered on a college campus. Your academic curricula are (largely) chosen by others. Even your meals are prepared for you. You must make very few impactful life decisions. In the non-academic world, on the other hand, this changes entirely and one is now exposed to myriad decisions and decision-trees.
tbf he said more “educated” not smarter, wiser, or more intelligent, which just makes sense as younger generations of Americans are statistically more likely to attend college than their parent’s generation.
I'm writing this at 09:50 while George is saying that he thinks SPACE is flat, etc. Which is something I have very recently been very curious about. I believe Earth is round, just as the rest of the planets. BUT, if you do research on space, it's a bit of a different concept. Scientists are not 100% sure if space is flat or curved. But they think that if space is flat, it will be infinite & go on & on & on & on forever. But, if space is curved, it just gives the resemblance of going on & on & on & on forever but really doesn't. My thoughts.. If space is curved, that means there is something beyond space. What could it be? But if it's flat, how can something just continue and NEVER END. Space is something the mind cannot even comprehend.
tbh that is interesting but he fucked himself with that
If space is curved that does not necessarily imply the existence of something “outside” of space. If space is all there is, then there is no “outside” of space. It’s like saying there’s something outside of existence itself. It’s impossible. Everything that exists, is in space.
Though, this applies to our physical dimension, perhaps outside of “existence” there is a different dimension that is non-physical awaiting. Based on how fast space is expanding, it’s futile to even think about reaching the end of space. Perhaps tearing a hole in the fabric is the way “out” instead of trying to go past the end.
It took Voyager 2 over 45 years to reach the edge of our solar system it is now in interstellar space.
Thank you for that @3AmandaR1017. What few realize is that Newton's theories for the universe worked for everything until our observations showed cases that it didn't a hundred years later. Then, Einstein's relativity worked for everything, except 100 years later we have many observations that don't quite fit the model.
I don't question the math, and I agree with Einstein's own explanation of the "fictional force" of gravity. However, with another 100 years of observations since and the difficulty with resolving it to quantum mechanic theory, we should be open to consider what the next more inclusive model will be. 🤔
Love Kat's aesthetic, the skirt is so pretty with the high socks.
I called this one at the start when they said the same line to claim they believed in a round earth theory.
The way he said it wasn’t convincing at all.
16:21 wait… wasn’t she the one who’s husband died and then she started being a flat earthier? I’m guessing it was because of this guy… interesting
creepy af... but also her dead husband had the same beliefs lol
@@val3454 ah right okay. Still… bit weird haha
Wooooh what a pathetic lier she is
i remember watching the episode, and if i remember correctly she said something along the lines of, her husband was a flat-earther and she didn't believe in that. then when he died she suddenly became obsessed with the flat-earth theory. it's sad but i think because of the loss of her husband she felt compelled to submerge herself into his beliefs
Thank you so much for having me back!! This was so fun to film ❤
You were great!
Great job Kat! 💖
Where’s your skirt from!! It looks amazing!
@@kennedyblue6026 it looks like the Pirouette Tiered Skort from Popflex in Blue Mist :)
@@enhhas omg thank you!
i wish the time for each discussion could be longer for this video lol it was actually vry interesting
Its not a belief.
Its round whether you believe it or not.
Like a pizza
@@Globehoaxnice try lol
@@DCamp1271 what?
The black guy seemed pretty racist
He was super judgmental the whole time.
@@kbeezyk true
I hated him. I was hoping he was secretly the mole and was putting on a character to play the game. But unfortunately that's actually just how he thinks...
For real, he kept making judgemental comments about white people and stereotyping them 😭
What's new?
George is a wholesome dude
I'd honestly love to have a beer and talk gravity with him.
Aww Ikr
@shazam1334 is the literal best. ☺ Thanks!
@@jerrelynm8155 ☺ Thank you!
@@AurorXZ I would enjoy that immensely.
8:06 “there are shadows” bro the sun still shines when you are on the moon
dumbass 😢
Wow I was REALLY not thinking it was the teacher 😂 I felt bad for George. He was the smartest guy in the room hands down and these young people are like “well we’re young and not conservative so we’re definitely more educated” WHAT?? 😂😂😂😂
called it from the intro lmao. the way he paused and kinda sighed between “i believe the earth… is round” was a giveaway
Ikponmwosa loves to drop a bit of casual racism here and there
The methodology used to weed out the mole this time around was wild to me. Seemed like only a few questions were directly connected to the issue.
Because there’s not much to discuss. Unlike other episodes, this one is like totally not debatable. The earth is not flat.
@@shinichigojir12it's certainly not a tilted, wobbling, rotating oblate spheroid travelling through an infinite vastness of space.
@@Kyle_G1993so you think the earth is flat 😂
@@tiktoksyoulove it's demonstrably a stationary topographical level plane.
@@Kyle_G1993 look at the pictures OF earth. it’s spherical.
Holy moly,I would’ve never guessed this outcome!
They think conservatives are flat earthers? Lol that’s comical. I definitely believe the earth is round😭
So you believe in a satanic earth, tilted 66.6 degrees?
Weird
Im not convinced that there aren’t two flat earthers in that group lol
The gravity isn't real guy is suss
@@MarlaSingersCancer dont think he said that tho. he said he didn't really believe in space warping/relativity/spacetime which is pretty understandable since it's hard to visualize
@@Matt-jq7zwso he doesn’t believe in something even thought it’s been scientifically proven just because he can’t understand it? Definitely has the mental capacity of a flat Earther…
@@CAC1Aimer which guy said gravity isnt really?
@@Potjandorie george
Outside of his beliefs, I think his point has importance that is often overlooked - that we ARE taught a lot of things as facts, where in reality we're learning just about our current level of understanding.
Historically, there were wild swings in levels of understanding of natural or scientific phenomena, where "facts" would change completely - on top of that, there definitely is a bit of an entrenched elitist attitude in the science community that sets a non-insignificant hurdle to individuals' "question everything" approach and "free thinking". While I absolutely ridicule groups like flat-earthers, I do think we would benefit from emphasizing to our kids that what we're teaching them is just the current way we see and understand things and there's surely more to them, still to be discovered - even in "basic" topics, such as gravity, or cellular structure.
There still WAAAAY to go to deepen our understanding of nature and universe, and we should encourage kids to be open about it and explorative - HOW to think, like he says - although I can't grasp how you can apply analytical thinking and believe in the flat Earth...Oh well...
If you "absolutely ridicule flat earthers" then you're exactly part of the problem.
well said
George is like a philosopher/thinker which I find really interesting! I don’t see many people who question things like that anymore, we tend to just believe everything we’re told. I feel bad that he was voted out for being open minded
All things I aspire to do my best at. Thank you for your comment.
I like how all these people seem to get along well and are having fun regardless of beliefs, religion, affiliation, or age.
6 normal ppl w one dude just secretly getting offended the whole time
really enjoyed the vibes and conversations in this episode!! like everyone was just chill😆
the black dude is racist
George convinced me it wasn't him since the beginning when talking about greeks and saying "they knew that the earth is round..." a flat earther wouldn't use the phrase "they knew"
I love how free thinking, rationalizing, and considering all perspectives makes them wrong 🤣🤣🤣
Also for people who believe in subjective truth, can you explain to me why (out of curiosity, I don’t want to debate, I noticed they all said “interesting” when he said he holds to objective truth)
free-thinkers are not inherently wrong, but if your argument for not being a mole is to go on a tirade about free thinking then you're not sounding very wise.
6 Flat Earthers vs 1 Globe Earther would have been more fun, I guess 🤔
facts bc minority would be majority in that cade
Agreed. My problem is getting any flat earther to understand how to argue like an adult in the first place.
He had an opportunity for a nice sales pitch here, & ran with it. Credit where due: He’s _nailed_ the communication skills of charismatic High-Control Group leaders. It’s only natural to find him engaging or hypnotic, his message intriguing. This is by design- not by what he says, but _how_ he says it.
This isn’t a condemnation of him; I find his communication abilities genuinely impressive, if not also somewhat unnerving.
_"his message intriguing. This is by design"_
So he's a sociopath. Is that your diagnosis, Dr. Freud?
I knew it was Ryan from the intro, the way he hesitated when he said “I believe the earth is round”
I knew who it was immediately from when they were all saying, “I believe the earth is round.” He had to choke that statement out.
The concepts for these just keep getting funnier lmao and the participants took this exactly as (un)seriously as they should have 🥴🤣
"As a young group we're more educated".
Biggest lie in the episode, lol.
I thought the same way
Ok boomer
Young people are more educated... how many 60,70,80 year olds went to college compared to 20,30 year olds...?
it’s actually a fact that the younger generations are smarter and more educated than the older generations. y’all just love to hate on gen z like leave us alone.
here’s a quote from an article: “Gen Z is also the smartest and best educated generation. Having an unlimited wealth of information at our disposal has not gone to waste. In America, 57 percent of Gen Z is reported to have enrolled in a two-year or four-year college, compared to 52 percent of Millenials and 43 percent of Gen X.”
@@user-xr4in3de1wcollege now is a lot different than it was back then in terms of difficulty and I’m saying this as a zoomer.
I'm normally bad at guessing these, but this one I knew instantly. I heard his introduction, fast-forwarded to the end, and was instantly vindicated. I know crazy when I see it.
2:20 Kat, if the earth is flat, then sun is local. That means solar system and planets don’t exist.
I knew when George said he was conservative, he was gonna be voted out, Even he had all the talking points, he'd still be voted out.
Poor victim lol
Nah, that wasn't the reason he was voted out. It was him throwing out the majority of physics we have done and confirmed for the last 100 years.
I agree with gent in red and glasses. About always being open to new ideas. Question stuff. But that's about it.
The difference of being always open and flat earthers is they never accept the answer because they want the earth to be flat so they don't accept the proof of a globe.
😆 I think that is me. Thank you!
Of course, even when considering new ideas, they still need to match observations.
But even if an idea is wacky and seemly cannot be rationalized, even that exercise compels us to look at our preferred theories in a different way and can lead to deeper understanding, confirmation, or even reveal hidden deficiencies.
@@WhetScience When flat earthers use a Gleason time chart as a map, when it actually is a globe projection, to trick people into believing the earth is flat that shows they are not serious at all but grifters.
@@ImWilson1 On the topic of "flat earth", I am inclined to agree.
However, I reiterate that considering even the most outlandish idea is important to encourage other perspectives. This serves to help evaluate one's own convictions. But would we have the wisdom to recognize if the less valid position is our own? 🤔
So "open to new ideas" that they will never change their stance to believe new ideas, even when theirs is blatantly wrong.
So open minded!
I get these in the INTRO. You can tell as soon as they talk if they smile.
This was the easiest so far. He couldn't even say "I believe the earth is round" without sighing 😂
I need the reverse of this episode. The imposter would have SO much fun!
Please do 5 Flat Earther's vs. 1 Secret Glober. 🙏🏼
Ironically enough, flat earthers know a lot more about the globe and Heliocentrism theories than the vast majority of globers hence why they don't believe in the theories anymore. So if they did a reverse of this then it'd be fairly obvious who the globe believer is.
@@Kyle_G1993 "flat earthers know a lot more about the globe and Heliocentrism theories than the vast majority of globers"
Saying the earth is flat proves otherwise... Nice try though!
@@Digger-Nick I can guarantee that I know more about your globe claims than you do. Even the anti-flat earthers wouldn't use your claims that you've done in your replies to me as they expose the globe theory to be pseudoscience. Thanks for playing. 👍
@@Kyle_G1993 That's what I thought LOL.
You people are all the same, willfully ignorant and you run away with your tail between your legs when confronted.
@@rylandberger what observations tell you that it is round? Also, round doesn't exclusively mean spherical which is what Earth is claimed to be.
I hate when contestants in this game jump on someone who’s playing devil’s advocate. It is obvious that the mole would never risk doing that.
I hate the term 'the earth is round'. It can be flat AND round. A record is flat and round. The earth isn't 'round' it's a sphere.