THE BIGGEST LIE in Bodyweight Fitness and Movement
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Revealing the 2 biggest fallacies that have dominated the landscape of bodyweight fitness, movement and calisthenics since the beginning of time. PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE FOR 100% INFO ➞ bit.ly/the-move...
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Are we all not just insecure? Why do we need the body, the skills? I feel we are lost as a society and trying to find meaning in impressing others. It will not work.
Climbing is like this, some body types favor footwork, technical moves, or upper body strength.
That's the beauty of climbing! (Almost) Everyone can climb but to get better at climbing you have to adapt the style of climbing to your given bodytype. Look at Ashima Shiraishi for example, she climbs realy hard routes even tho she is really short and have to compensate her lack of reach with different techniques. Gotta love climbing.
Ever since I ended up needing surgery to repair my fractured femur which had started as a stress fracture from putting too much strain on it over time and I had to not exercise much or sit still while the bone healed, I have been very contemptuous of the thumbnails I see while browsing online of jacked-up bodybuilders, calisthenic stunt people, and super-bendy yoga fanatics. They are basically saying, "Look at me!" I always think that any of them should try not being able to do much of anything for a while and then working on what areas of the body that had been neglected, and developing some inner fitness in the meantime. Having a strong mental outlook is more important than how you look on the outside.
Great comment Melanie
Such a pure, positive message in a world full of noise, screaming the opposite. Much Respect 🙏🏼
Thank you Matthew 🙏🏼
I totally understand where you are going with this conversation. I've always thought of gym workouts as people either being , pushers, or pullers. I am not a pusher, I don't enjoy bench presses and anything I have to push away from my body, but give me an exercise that I can push away, and I will excel in that.
I've never had difficulty doing pull ups of any kind, wide grip, close, you name it and I can do it easily, even with a 35lb weight dangling between my legs, I have no problem. But, put me on a bench with a bar, and I'm just minimal. Not that I don't do that well, but I don't enjoy it, so, I don't do as well. I just don't enjoy pushing things away.
Bodybuilders, well, that's not so much genetics, as it is where can they find a good dealer. I don't have much praise for that, unless a person is completely natural in what they do.
Good conversation. I enjoyed it. Btw, I like that couch 👍
Thank you greg, a great comment. It's necessary to work on the weaker areas (especially when it comes to structural balance) but everyone has different strengths/weaknesses and that's perfectly fine
Everyone's genetic potential is different but I wouldn't assume that it's so easy to hit your genetic wall. It's easier to lack the skills in proper programming and recovery. I don't claim that he didn't work hard enough, but rather that there was probably a lot more potential for growth that could have been reached, with the presence of an experienced coach.
Obviously smarter training done longer will help you get further in anything that you do - but this is not even about that really.
That is the exact excuse that people have: You are not training hard enough, long enough, consistently enough, smart enough or “THE RIGHT WAY”. This is what we mean with the pedestalization - only the genetically gifted teacher who has the extreme skills has the “secret knowledge”.
There are secrets to training and competence/experience matters A LOT but there are no secrets to change the genetics or the body structure. There is no guru who has secret methods that can make you grow an inch.
In basketball, if you want to be really good at dunking or have a high vertical jump in general, you need to have the fast twitch muscle fiber type and also be exceptionally tall. You can train hard and smart to improve your vertical jump but you will never reach the same level as the people with the perfect genetics.
This is exactly the same with bodyweight feats but people fail to accept this. Just like Steve Maxwell said in our earlier interview, for every 10 who makes it there are countless who didn’t with broken joints.
This is disappointing but we will make a video about how this whole thing about needing to pursue the extreme feats is actually a limiting belief that prevents the person from pursuing his or her full potential.
Samuli
@@VahvafitnessThanks for the answer, Samuli. Yes, I don't disagree with the general message of the video and your comment here :). I was just pointing out that reaching extreme skills/individual genetic potential may require extreme expertise in programming. There are lots of people working hard and trying different approaches and still struggling to reach their goals. Still, with the right coaching or knowledge the person might find how much unfulfilled potential there was, when the training was done in a smarter manner. I guess this might seem nitpicking and besides the point, but I sometimes see people unnecessarily discouraged and going straight for blaming genetics, when they haven't even scratched their true potential.
I totally agree with you about the obsession of trying go for the extreme skills. I think it's about the journey and during that journey you will get better, even if you don't reach your ultimate goal. The assisted one arm chin that you performed is an impressive feat and is a result of your hard work. You still reaped the benefits of the training and attained something that you couldn't do before :).
@@PrimiFit The next video we are planning is about how people haven’t even scratched the surface when it comes to their own potential.
You are trying to keep the hope up but both fallacies still apply.
- The “scam” is that there is no master with knowledge or expertise that can somehow give you the skill you are not suitable for. A great teacher can do wonders in many areas of fitness and change you life but cannot morph the fabric of the reality. This is what we mean when people have been abusing their status. This is also what has happened in the martial arts scene for a very long time. It's an old trick.
- Another fallacy is to think that these skills even matter or make any difference. You mentioned my pull up: it was for reference to show where I come from but in reality it means nothing. Even if it was a weighted one arm chin up with a great form it would mean nothing. This is the cage.
I personally started to make real progress in training only once I gave up all this silliness with skills and "feats". This was 5 years ago. Training before that wasn’t a waste of time but in comparison to proper training - it was.
Samuli
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
The video *discusses two key fallacies in bodyweight fitness and movement training.*
The first *fallacy is the belief that every person is capable of achieving extreme physical skills and abilities, such as one-arm chin-ups or one-arm handstands. The reality is that genetics play a significant role in one's potential for these skills, including muscle fiber type and body type.*
The second *fallacy is the idea that everyone should prioritize acquiring these extreme skills above all else. This mindset can lead people down the wrong path and may not necessarily lead to true fulfillment, health, or well-rounded strength.*
The video *emphasizes the importance of recognizing and respecting one's unique potential and not comparing oneself to others. It encourages focusing on health, posture, and overall physical performance rather than chasing extreme skills that may not be within one's genetic makeup.*
The speakers *also highlight the need to accept personal limitations and weaknesses and use them as a path to uncovering one's true potential and fulfillment in fitness and movement.*
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I'm starting to come to terms with a lot of these points you're making as well. I don't like to sell myself short, but do believe that a lot of the standards that the exceptional athletes set are unattainable for a very large % of the people training for them. Although I haven't given up on some of my loftier goals, I am realizing that there are definitely certain things that I hope to achieve that may not be achievable. Now I am trying to figure out what my personal strengths are. Great video
Great comment Hybrid Athletix. Once you discover your strengths you can just go all in IN YOU and it's the most liberating feeling you can get.
I'm not very tall, but I make up for it by being slow.
Great video, there is a lot of superficiality within the fitness industry but also there is a lot within people as well. It's a bigger problem to consider and the best way to fix it is to not add to it and change yourself.
This is it
Great discussion guys. I enjoy these conceptual talks as they help to give a why to the what I'm doing when training. Also bonus points for the couch. That's a nice couch.
Thanks, it's indeed a very comfortable couch!
Yes I agree that everything out there is Fake! What's important is to stay healthy and train to your own potential, we are all different and each and everyone is a unique individual defined differently, train to stay fit and well and you will have longevity! Thanks for sharing this wonderful video guys, you are both awesome!👌👍😄💖
Thank you for the great comment Carla!
Not everyone can do every exercise. I can not do the yoga move, the triangle. I look like a drunken giraffe. But, I can do a fabulous burpee. And the bear crawl. Thank you, Eero. for that move. It's sometimes height, short or tall. Or one has short arms. Or even long ones. And there's a reason a pull up is one of the hardest moves around. And sometimes, an arm or leg just doesn't go a certain direction. I once heard the best exercise is the one that you'll actually do. And I fun plays into that to. I love all your videos. You explain it clearly and don't rush it.
Thank you LOUISE! People can change a lot and make massive improvements but it's good not to let other people's standards dictate yours.
Nice seeing you, I love your talking videos! Thank you, more please 💖
Thank you!
i was thinking about what said about the lever. maybe some people can’t get a planche or one arm pull up because they have developed their legs too much so their opposite end of the lever, can’t manage to stalize or perform the lift. if the person ignored training the legs, and they atrophied. the skill could be achieved due to having better leverage. but is that progress?
I have been studying scientific papers about longevity and health. None says you need to be very strong or mascular. You need to eat well, workout regularly and properly and have a happy meaningful life with friends and string family bonds. All the rest is worth nothing.
i absolutely love you guys. thank you so much for making these amazing videos. one of the most fascinating things about your channel is that you emphasize movements and bodyweight training, gymnastics, and novel ways of moving. i continue to be a huge fan of your channel because very few channels talk about the levels of athleticism that you guys do. that being said i have to disagree with some of your wisdom. i believe that our body is amazing and it will eventually get better and better when we stimulate it the right way. it may not take us 4 years or 5 years it may take us 10, 15, or 20 years, but i do believe that our body can and will eventually make progress. will you be able to do a full planche? i dont know, but i'm willing to bet that you will get a lot further by trying. i think you're putting out the wrong message by saying that there are these hard limits and you should "accept" yourself for what you are as a superhero. i do believe that you should explore your strengths and maximize them, but i also believe that you should work on other areas as well to be well rounded. your channel really reflects this fact. also, i find it ironic that you guys embody the message of limitless (it's in your banner) and yet you have essentially said these are the 'soft limits', dont even try. steve maxwell is a very wise man but i dont agree with everything he's saying here.
one other thing, it's not just about the result itself. it is the journey that's really important, through the journey that's truly important...
Segment lengths are the biggest factors in what lifts and movement you will excel at.
After that it is overall ability to recover between sessions and therefore do more sessions at a higher level.
Bodyfat levels are the most deceptive thing of all. It is absolutely a metric of NOTHING other than diet. Of course it's harder to move a big body, but that says nothing about the force they can produce against YOU.
Eye opening. I always understood that not everyone will have the same potential as an endurance athlete bodybuilder or powerlifter but did not consider the same true for bodyweight training. For example I did not realize the planche to not be attainable for most people. What is a good resource into the study of body type, muscle insertion and levers as it relates to genetic potential?
The magic word called the training of "connective tissues".
You can make progress in everything (and it's good to make progress in everything) but everyone has a different potential in different areas of fitness.
We covered the different athletic types more in depth in the article: www.vahvafitness.com/the-biggest-lie-in-bodyweight-fitness-and-movement/
Soooo helpful - Great information - I learnt a lot & understand so much more now.
Many thanks......all the way from London !
I'm pretty flexible and I can grow muscle pretty fast, but I don't have the strength that my muscles portray. It's a curse because I'd rather be thin while being a little lean.
Same here. Cardio and muscle comes easy but strength does not even after perfecting alignment.
Yup , took me 5 years too to realize what my body is built for. I am born to be able to do the pistol squat , and I can actually do ankle pistol (but now I don't think this is really healthy for the feet). I can never do the muscle up btw. My friend spent 4 years to learn the planche , but he failed and actually hurt himself. Feel free to look up single leg hindu squat (I actually learn that in 3 days), I have a solid form now , but I don't think this is any good for the feet. I can assure you no matter how strong you are , this type of exercise is only possible if your body is built for this.
You are right. I was also able to learn and perform the pistol in a few weeks. And I thought the front lever and flag were also similarly around the corner. But they never happened ☹️. While I understand what they are saying I still think if I could work towards them with dedication I might be able to, or anyways be better off for trying, like, a little further along the road to being stronger in those areas. But it's funny how I can do pistols even after so many months of weakness or being out of practice. Perhaps they do have a point there. And btw even I feel pistols aren't healthy I feel it's much safer to do the box squats in regular training.
Where is the video AFTER this where you fine tune your message. You started the video with Somewhere Over the Rainbow and ended it with pressure from the outside, power from the inside. Greatest video I have ever seen. I can't seem to find it now.
I am 6'1, very small hands and wrists. 180 lbs. Front lever feels impossible for me even if I had 10 strict MU at some point.
I just made myself some potato wedges with seitan medaillons and brusselpsoruts with garlic and chili ( from your Absxx Guide ), and now is see this video. Can this be coincidence? XD
Great topic to clear up about guys.
I also liked when you talked about achieving a skill just for the sake of the skill in an earlier Video.
And especially what you said about different types. For example nick and nate diaz. They look like endurance guys alsmost even a little skinny fat and not that muscular but IMO they are totally badass fighters.
Its an interesting topic.
Keep it up guys.
Cheers, Nils
Thank you Nils. Yep, there are many dad bod fighters in UFC who just dominate :D . Diaz brothers are some of them.
Wonderful casual conversation between the two of you. I have to find a school of similar style in my area of the USA.
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You can be fit but not necessarily look fit! As most would describe the typical fit look! Work within your own genetic capabilities!!
It's important to know your strengths and weaknesses!
Health and self awarness from the inside out not reverse. I guess it is our human nature to be or do like the other
cause we are usually in very very young age tought this by our parents, by our society and enviroment.
If you think that mostly all your believes are given to you and are not yours ,it is fact. Then we are spending other part of
our lives ( mostly after 32 years old ) to deprograme our believes, certain programs that are not evolving us.
Sport , music all is Energy which should change our biology towards a better health, selfawarness to be in the end here
for the others and to be fullfiled of this great comunication ........
Great comment!
Somewhat. Skills require time. However, also muscle mass and high levels of relative strength. The guys who are able to do one-arm pull-ups build up massive biceps and back muscles for their bodyweight.
From looking at the video though, I hope you didn't give up on the one arm chin up. It might be good to focus on dropping body fat and developing more arm and back muscle mass. it should be within reach from the video you posted.
Such a great message
Jep. Esimerkkejä muualta: en tule erottamaan Ishihara-väritestissä kaikkia numeroita koska olen punavihersokea, mutta pystyn nimeämään sävelten nimet ilman apusäveltä. Joku toinen yltää 10:nteen pianon valkoiseen koskettimeen, joku toinen 12:nteen. (pikkurilli-peukalon väliin siis)
Jep, just näin
Guys, it's amazing that you share your experience, but i think is not good to make assumptions based in your fails. The guy with glasses said he try everything, but didn't explain what. By his videos i think he just tried strenght training which imo is wrong to do it always. With a fried cns is hard to make progress.
Im agree with you in something, genetics is very important, but imo is more important in muscle development and aesthetics, because i.e., how the hell are you going to fix your muscle insertions? You just can't, but surely you can improve in other aspects.
Fiber type were named quite a lot. I like to ride my bike and can be a lot of time cycling. Does that mean my legs are mainly slow twitch fibers? Afaik, fibers are able to adapt, and in my case, i showed no exception. Years ago i used to do parkour, jumping suited me well, even tho i was really good at biking. But, jumping and flipping is the opposite to riding a bike, how did i accomplish that?
Going back to the guy with glasses, i think he just gave up, and he is justifying his decision saying this. I don't know if im genetically blessed, my chest is not massive as i'd like to have it, im prone to store fat, my muscle gain rate isn't as fast as i'd want it too. Yet i've accomplished good strenght elements in the chase of those "pedestal skills" (agree with that too btw). I started to practice front lever two years ago, trained really consistent for almost a year, but couldn't get it, drop it after that. Some months later i resume the training but doing something different, and just to see how well it works. Use gtg for two weeks and at the end could hold full fl for 5 sec max, not perfect form, arms slighlty bent, but i could straight up my legs doing 3 to 5 attempts a day when before i couldn't even do that with "well structured" training. Same happened with straddle planche just attempts 2 times a week for two or three months, skipping progressions. Just started doing hs to straddle adv tuck and then hs to straddle and get 3 or 4 secs max fairly quick, again, not the best form. I failed at those skills too later, my mistake was that i haven't made a good background in callisthenics, didn't know how to train properly (neglect the power of hypertrophy and endurance training)
Maybe the guy with glasses made the same mistake i did, because i know my genetics sucks. I know people that do consistent gains, faster than me (get strong, lean, big faster than me). Does that mean i suck? Maybe, but also means that i have to try harder and train better, smartly.
We are all different, i agree with that, but at the same tieme,we are also not so different, don't you think? After all, we are all humans.
Good bible i wrote, but i feel i had to point this out.
Thanks for sharing but check out the new video "how to unleash your limits", it's a follow up for this video
Pure common sense. Why is it so rare?
that what is holding you back, is outside of the gym: When you act like a pussy all day you will never get the body of a man. traing and nutrition is not everything. You can just be succsesfull, when you grow in every part of your life.
I totally agree about genetics playing a major role , I’m naturally tall and slim and have good athleticism, but my natural strength is my weak point
You can certainly improve your strength but also realize that you can already be a badass with a good athleticism if you just develop it further.
Need to finish the video off but so far not that impressed with the beginning. Training for four years is not that long. Especially using UA-cam videos, did you consult a trainer / practitioner? Will continue continue to watch later though
Watch until the end. But you are definitely right: 4 years is not a very long time to reach your full potential and although I did utilize different programs, a good teacher would have helped (mostly in injury prevention). However, at this point I have trained for a decade and I know my strengths and weaknesses very well. 4 years is often enough time to see the "truth" if you are self-aware.
However, the second half of the video is that there is no need to even reach the extreme feats.They don't really have a purpose outside of the skill itself. More info here: www.vahvafitness.com/the-biggest-lie-in-bodyweight-fitness-and-movement/
In the article we also covered the "you just don't train hard enough, long enough, consistently enough, smart enough" argument.
Samuli
Good video, and the article too.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed them
I may not look like a superhuman to you but I am ..aaawww!
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great video
Thank you
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Well, Samuli, you tried to reach Hannibal4king skills, but you forgot to use some juice, man. I agree, that body type and muscles type play a major role in what an athlete is capable of. But juice makes this factor almost nonexistent, and since you are not competing in the professional sport i don't see why you shouldn't use it (in a smart way of course) to achieve something that you want
Hey dude, as far as I know the effect of juice is maybe 5-10% improved performance if not even that. There is actually scientific studies on this. The scientist who exposed the doping scandal of Russia (Icarus documentary) also said maybe half of the pro athletes are on juice. This means that half ARE NOT and they are still the best. I believe that supplements are unnecessary and a sign of mental weakness. What actually makes the difference is the optimal genetics for the sport/art and the intelligence of the training (this you can control). - Samuli
@@Vahvafitness i also disagree, that PEDs are sign of the weakness. It depends. If we are talking about professional sport and competition, then yes, an athlete who is using PEDs here is a miserable weak cheater and should be punished. If we're talking about gaining some aesthetic look or some additional strength, stamina or endurance to perform something we really like (like Hanniball4king moves) then i don't see weakness here. Even with PEDs you still have to work your ass off to actually have significant benefits of using it, they're not turning one into a demigod magically, without any efforts. If they did, everyone would have used it.
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