This isnt actually a full episode, does anyone remember Robot Chicken? Lmao their episodes were literally 6-7 minutes to 23-24 minutes of commercial. Albeit they were stop animated which is tedious as all hell.
+ They just show just the interesting myth here. Usually it was 5 minutes of an experiment you wanted to see, 15 minutes commercials, and 10 minutes of the other 3 Mythbusters testing what happens if you drop a mentos into a coke.
Had an uncle in the merchant marine who experienced a sinking. He said he was pulled under by suction as the ship went down wearing a life jacket. Without the life jacket he said he would have never made it back to the surface. He attributed the suction to the rushing in of water filling compartments within the sinking ship. They probably did need a larger ship to come anywhere near an accurate simulation of the phenomenon.
BINGO!!! The boat they used was too small and they were not on a part of it that would be subject to the forces of suction. Sometimes this show can be downright dangerous in the misinformation it spreads.
Yeah, the suction is not from the ship but from the cavities being filled by water pulling anyone in. But other than that I think you're safe. The chief baker of the Titanic said he stepped off and never got his hair wet as he rode the stern down as it sank. But there is the survivor account of Jack Thayer who jumped in the water near the end. A friend of his jumped first and never resurfaced. He said if he didn't hesitate on the jump he would have met the same fate. I think his friend got sucked into a submerged grate or a window. But if there are no cavities I think you're fine. But it's probably a safe bet to get away from a sinking ship regardless.
@@ricopaulson1that’s tecnicly not correct. The suction is created by the rapid sinking body of the ship. The ship leaves an empty space above it, when rushing down. The water filling this empty space is creating the suctions. Flooding of compartments is just a small part oft that, although it is the initially moth threatening part. The suction of a sinking ship is dependent on 4 factors in decreasing order: size, speed of sinking, depth of wattee and empty space inside the ship.
@@ricopaulson1 On the other hand, I have just read a first hand account of Archibald Gracie's experience with the sinking of the Titanic. Gracie was in the water at the time of the sinking and he was sucked under when the ship went under. He said it was like being sucked down a whirlpool. He went down a long way too and only lived because he was a strong underwater swimmer and could hold his breath under water longer than most people. He had even utilised the pool on the Titanic the day before just to stay fit and also because he managed to mostly keep out of the water by way of an upturned boat once he made it back up.
The Titanic's second officer, Charles Lightoller, who survived the sinking, revealed he did indeed get sucked down when one of the vents were taking in water. He was stuck to the vent underwater until there was an explosion which set him lose.
With a ship the size of the titanic, there would be massive amounts of air inside the hull. Upon sinking, the massive air bubble would reach the surface, and when the thin layer of water holding in the air burst, there would be a massive pocket of air deep under water in which the water would equalize by rushing in to fill the gap, in turn causing massive current, or suction
Apart from sheer size it is also about the speed of the sinking (directly related to flux of water entering the hull) and where a person in the water is in relation to the point (s) of entry of water into the ship.
Once again Adam and Jaime didn't take into account that the Titanic was a much larger ship than the little dinghy they used to test the myth. Since the Titanic was much larger, the suction would much bigger and could therefore pull someone down with it.
I think the cavities of the ship filling with water and creating a pull theory makes a lot of sense. Just imagine holding an empty bottle under water. You can see the the little vortex it creates
Charles Lightoller the highest ranking crew member to survive, said that he was sucked onto a grate on the ship as it sank, then an explosion from inside the ship freed him with a blast of hot air. If you read up on the man, he doesn't seem like much of a fibber.
It definitely is not busted. Water goes down in a huge area and water streams from the sides and down onto it. You will feel some amount of suction, definitely.
Willy29821 this proves nothing each sinking off a vessel is different and your position in the water relative to the board determines if you will be sucked Or not
Yeah this is not 100% accurate. But there should have been atleast some effect. I think when a large ship sinks it might make harder for you to float but I doubt it would pull you down, atleast not very far.
Mythbusters had Busted, Confirmed and Plausible. They needed a 4th one, Unconfirmed, where they can't replicate the myth and just admit failure. "Well we tried our best, maybe next time"
there have been reports from survivors of fighting against being sucked down by water flowing into vetilation ducts, doors, windows... the ship itself might not pull anything down, but the ship will still be filling with water when it leaves the surface, so the suction would pull down towards the falling ship
Those are small vents that water is rushing into in isolation, like someone said, those vents and windows are like a submerged bottle creating a vortex. Everyone mentions lightoller, who jumped and got stuck to one of these ventilation vortexes. But I haven’t seen a single mention of Charles Joughin, who stayed at the top of the ship, rode it down “like an elevator” and walked off when the water reached him and swam away somewhat peacefully, claiming he didn’t even get his hair wet and that there was certainly no suction when the ship took its final plunge and descended beneath the water. The suction myth was one the officers were so concerned about due to a novel about a ship sinking and creating a massive suction that pulled the lifeboats under with it. This, of course, didn’t happen and the officers were worried about something that wasn’t going to happen. However, this fear has propelled the myth of being sucked under for over 100 years.
In Titanics final moment it had about 90000 cubic meters of ocean rushing into her all at the same time - How many cubic meters is this boat taking in... About 6? (If that)
It was not all at the same time. The Titanic took 2 hours to sink and by the time the power was cut almost half of it was already under water. Not only that but the Titanic sank stern first which allowed it to slip into the water much more smoothly than the tugboat which lay on it's side.
Survivors on the Titanic reported they felt no suction from the ship. Titanic's chef reported even that he got on the rail of the ship and remained on it until all the ship sinked then he floated: his hair didn't get wet.
It doesn't make much of difference, which way it sank. And yes, 90000 cubic meters sound pretty realistic.. atleast at the end of the sinking. I made a rough calculation about the volume of the ship.. and I mean rough! It was around 250 meters long, 50 meters wide and 60 meters of height. So with these numbers the total volume of the ship would have been 750,000 cubic meters. It was totally possible it took in water around 90000 cubic meter at the end.
I don't know whether sinking ships really do create suction or not, but using a 9 ton dinghy to approximate the force of a 50,000 ton ship (yes folks, that's 0.018%) and saying "I didn't feel anything" is meaningless. Myth NOT busted.
Actually 9 tons is far more than enough. It's about the physics.. if you think there's a NOTICEABLE effect at 50k ton, then there has to be a margin where the effect becomes noticeable.. The tales describe muche smaller ships, like the 1500 ton SS Islander pulling people under. The fluid-dynamics of this topic have been studied to death. There's NO effect there. Would you agree that a 1/166th scale should have an effect (if people said others were dragged down to their death by the suction)?
One of the senior officers on titanic later said in an interview about the sinking that he jumped to make for an upturned lifeboat instead of the running to the stern with the others to "delay the inevitable" and that his training always been to get away from a floundering vessel. He was sucked underwater whilst swimming across the submerged bow when a hatch gave way and he was pinned against a grate whilst the compartment beneath filled with water.
personally I have been boating almost my whole life...I highly doubt that they got this right....when a boat/ship moves through the water, it pulls water along behind it...the same concept as drafting behind a big truck on the highway or a car in a race. the bigger the boat or ship the more water that is being moved and the more that will be pulled behind it...so I would be quite sure that a ship like Titanic or a large freighter would easily have enough mass to create quite a violent suction down...
Exactly what I was thinking. You could see even on the demonstration that at some small fraction of time, the water level dropped where the boat was and a violent wave took its place. They're wrong
This is by far the dumbest one they've done. There is no myth. It's a well known fact to all sailors that big ships (not small fucking dingies) will suck you down. There's a reason why in Navy boot camp you are required to be able to swim at least 50 meters....
I generally like their channel as well, but not when they do stuff like this. Their misinformation due to lack of research is not science. This is pseudoscience, and they have done this on multiple occasions. Worst thing is, some of the misinformation they spread can get people killed.
If you want a case of people being sucked down with the ship look up Ted Briggs, He was aboard the British Battlecruiser HMS Hood when she was blown in half by incredibly lucky/unlucky hit from an enemy ship (Bismarck)and Hood weighing 48,000 tons sank in three minutes the suction created by the sudden sinking of such a large vessel pulled Mr Briggs underwater for estimated a minute and it was only due to what has subsequently have been deduced to have been an air bubble (possibly from a boiler exploding/imploding) that he was blown to the surface. From what I know the other servers did not experience any suction while escaping the ship but that being said out of a crew 1418 men, only Ted and two other survived, now a good number would have been killed outright by the explosions, but numbers still tell. There's a great video that covers the voyage of the Bismarck and features Ted Briggs of the sinking oh his ship, I've provided a link bellow to the point in the video were it features Ted's text account of him after he entered the water (though I'd recommend watching from an earlier point 31:00). Hope this helps for anyone interested in an actual account of this phenominom ua-cam.com/video/n69kV4gVoDw/v-deo.html
Sure it is true , one of the 3 survivors of HMS Hood told of how he was dragged down as he fought to get away from the sinking ship, he thought he was going to die but managed to fight clear !
Wow this is so stupid. That boat was tiny of course nothing would happen. Something the size of the Titanic or even half the size would have been a good test. This was just a waste of film.
+XXJoshXX x It would. But they could use one that's broken or something and then have it used as an artificial reef. I figured that's what they would do. :P
apprently the titanic didnt cause suction either the chief baker by the name of Charles John Joughin rode it down like an elevator and just swam away he was in waters between -2 and -3 for around 2 hours and was surprisingly fine only suffering swollen feet
@@barnacle_bill2257 um, you realize you see with sensors right? You feel, taste, smell, and hear with sensors. The only difference is that those sensors are being interpreted by your brain. If you hook a sensor up to a computer, it is able to interpret it in much more accurate ways than a brain will. For example, pick up a rock. How heavy is the rock? Could you tell me how heavy it is in grams without using a scale, use a scale and tell me how far off you were.
if the sinking ship has a large amount of trapped air inside that is suddenly vented, I believe that the turbulence caused by the escaping air and the water rushing in to fill up the volume left by the air could be dangerous.
Well they actually tested that later. Bubbles have the opposite effect many people think. They indeed lower the density but that effect is more than counteracted by the current created by the upsurge.
@@adamseidel9780 It is VERY unlikely though. There have been countless sinking incidents over the hundreds of years we’ve had large ships, and most of the time, people can just step off the ship as it goes under. Cases of being sucked along with water rushing into the ship are reported, but in the grand scheme of things extremely rare. Something as described above required some very specific circumstances, and while I’ll agree that if those present themselves, they could potentially be dangerous, not only is that scenario unlikely, but it’s also not what the myth is about. The myth is about the ship itself pulling you along with it.
@@joelmulder listen, if you’re on a sinking ship, it doesn’t really matter if you have to worry about a vortex from the ship itself going under, or water rushing into the ship, or bubbles coming up from the ship, any of which is plausible on certain conditions. What’s important is you just need to be safe rather than sorry and get the hell away from the ship to make sure you don’t get unlucky. If you’re in a lifeboat… I doubt you’re at much risk.
There was actually a guy named Charles Joughin who survived the Titanic wreck. He threw several chairs off the boat for people to hold onto once the ship went down, he did this while getting absolutely plastered. He was one of the last people to get off the boat and is depicted in the film beside Rose and Jack. He never jumped off the boat, he stayed on while it sank and is said to never even gotten his head wet. With the alcohol in his blood, he was able to survive in the frigid water until he was found by a boat.
Not true. The alcohol in his blood did NOT save him. Alcohol kills you faster in cold water. Him surviving in the water for 2 hours was PURE luck, as most people only lived for up to 30 minutes in that water.
@@petermatthews2831 The theory is that it didn't send his body into shock and he was able to get to a raft to get his core out of the freezing water. Cause he didn't go into shock he was able to swim to safety.
@@LazyLizzy706 It did help him because in my comment to the other guy, he didn't go into shock which allowed him to swim to safety. If he wasn't plastered he would have went into shock. This is the explanation by scientists and even cameron himself.
Hms hood engaged with bismark in 1941. She was cut in half and sunk very fast. Many hundred sailors that had survived and were in water were sucked under by suction. Only three survivors survived because they were shot back to surface by underwater explosion happening as main gun ammunation imploded in the sinking ship. The suction is totally real, there are So many accounts of it.
Agreed they got this wrong. A ship like the titanic would release enormous amounts of air. You can't swim in bubbles because it's basically like swimming in air.
i worked in a water treatment plant as an electrician contractor. they had tanks. 60 feet deep as long as football fields called aereation tanks to futher filter out solids from the water. one of the plant workers one day said "you see dem lifepreservers? yea they just for show. you go in your going to the bottom. well have to drain the tank" he was right. little 3m plastic wirenuts wouldnt float in them tanks. condoms would tho.
Cut a few portholes in a shipping container and see how strong the suction is at the holes, as it submerges. The suction doesn't come from the ship replacing the water as it goes down, it comes from large quantities of water rushing into the ship to replacing the air inside. So a sinking ship will create many points of suction as it sinks, but the ship as a whole will just rush down to the bottom like an arrow and create only little suction of its own. We know this from Titanic testimonials, where the last guy to be on the ship is said to have ridden her stern down like and elevator and didn't even get his hair wet. Maybe an overstatement, but the last guy on the Titanic wasn't sucked down and he's even in the 1997 film, right next to Jack/Rose as she goes down.
That's one of the things I disliked about the movie. It showed all this suction as the stern went under and as you mentioned the Baker literally stood on it and road it down to the water like an elevator and didn't even get his head weight. On the other hand Charles Lightoller definitely experienced suction as he was pinned against a ventilator grate when by inrushing water until a blast of air from inside the ship blew him away from the opening.
It depends on the ship...I don' think it is busted. I have read WWII accounts of men on sinking ships and they have been sucked down...that said it would often be only so far then they would pop up due to their life jackets. SO the force due to whatever, be it just drag, was enough to counter the buoyancy of the life jacket for a time. I expect there is a nice math formula to work it all out. Displacement of the boat/ship, speed of sinking, and so forth, to work out how much force will be there to drag the person under.
Same thing with M/S Estonia. I have heard several interviews with survivors saying that they had to tie themselves to nearby floating objects to resist the heavy suction created by the sinking ship. The myth is absolutely not busted.
I doubt it has anything to do with falling speed, but more to do with surface area of the boat. since the boat was so small it didn't create an effect at all hardly. I'm willing to bet that there is no suction at all until the boat starts to submerge underwater. once the boat goes underwater, the water around it will start to rush at a high speed to fill the gap in the water created by the huge boat, and that's what's causing the people to get sucked underwater
Next time don't take your lessons on naval architecture from a video game. The truth is there is no definition for ship other than a large buoyant vessel. A boat that can hold another boat is not necessarily a ship because a 30' ketch could hold a small dory as a tender, and nobody would call a 30' sailboat a "ship." Several centuries ago, a ship was defined as any full-rigged sailing vessel, meaning it had at least 3 masts and was at least partially square-rigged. As times changed and steam and later motor vessels became commonplace, the definition never caught up and these days a ship is simply a large vessel. But there is no definitive cutoff. Is a 40' tug a ship? I'm not sure, to some it could be. Is a 150' ocean tug a ship? I would think most people would say yes, but there are quite a few people who would still call it a boat. And on the Great Lakes, the mariners are much more informal. "Left" and "right" are often used in place of "port" and "starboard," and ship and boat is used interchangeably to refer to the lakers.
The idea that Adam and Jamie “can’t stand each other” is inaccurate. Both men stated this is false and rather they are just not personal friends, but somehow not being friends morphs into they hate each other’s guts. Their relationship is similar to a coworker you’d talk to at work but never hangout with when you aren’t working.
They got this one very wrong. There has been countless reports of sailors almost drowning after being sucked down with sinking ships. You have to consider the mass, water being sucks into the hull, and all that stuff.
+Michael RedCrow The biggest thing to me in their final build was the rate at which the ship sank. When done with a rapidly sinking weight with Adam on top of it, he was dragged straight to the bottom. Several shipwrecks, such as the Titanic, were known to have sunk extremely quickly, partially owing to the ship being pointed straight at the bottom when it finally went under, making it like the small scale test, which was positive.
Gentlemen, I was a sailor, 1983-1987, a rapidly sinking ship of massive tonnage will drag you down. I realize you are trying to debunk a myth but this is a myth that is real. You need to remove this video.
Depends what country you're in :P But in the west it means someone who is VERY into anime. In Japan (where the word came from) Otaku has a similar meaning but it is more to do with being a shut in and doesn't HAVE to be someone who is into anime, it can be something else like games. If i am wrong please tell me :).
Otaku doesn't mean being a shut it. The word is often used for people who like anime or manga but the word can be used to anyone having an obsessive interest on anything. A shut in is called an hikikomori and the ones that doesn't do anything, freeloading is called NEET, "Not in Education, Employment or Training." Otaku is often associated with hikikomori and NEETs but they are totally different things. Otaku just basically has the same meaning as nerds or geeks.
The suction of a boat or ship is a mixture of weight and air pockets that little boat didn't have over 1'000 rooms like the titanic and and weigh 52 thousand tons, the reason why so many people got sucked down with the ship was because when the funnels came of the water flooded the compartments at the stern creating a whirlpool of suction and dont forget all of G,F,ED,C,B,A and boat deck at the stern were entirely dry so when the stern went under the portholes/windows on the ship couldn't take the water pressure and gave way letting in more water to a huge air pocket and let me say it. small air pocket = small suction TITANIC SIZED AIR POCKET = very large suction
Well, the chef of the Titanic, one of the survivors, stated that he felt no suction from the ship at all. Hell, it was even said that his hair didn't even get wet.
I want you to read this even though it's a lengthy one, but you'll get a better answer to that: "Dave Nitzer , all things RMS Titanic Updated October 19, 2019 While the ship is still filling up with water, if you’re in the path of that water, yes, you could easily get dragged along with it, like an undertow or rip current at the beach. This very thing happened as the Titanic was going down for the final plunge. Jack Thayer and his friend Milton Long jumped overboard from the Boat Deck right before the end, a few seconds apart. Milton Long jumped first and was sucked into the water which had begun pouring into the Titanic’s open A deck just below; he was never seen again. Jack Thayer adjusted his life belt first, then jumped a few seconds later; those few extra seconds made all the difference. He said he was first pushed out and down, away from the Titanic, by the backwash from the same water that had just sucked his friend back inside the ship. When he finally came to the surface, he had been pushed some thirty yards clear from the twisting, sinking hull. When the first funnel fell over, the hole at its base immediately opened up a whirlpool for a few seconds, 25 feet across, as the sea poured straight down into the forward boiler room. Those who had been standing or swimming in the immediate area were taken right down with it. Eugene Daly, swimming in the water a distance away from the ship, watched the second funnel submerge a minute later: “those poor people that covered the water were sucked down in those funnels… like ants” as the forward part of the ship went under. Several others who jumped at the last minute and survived described similar effects. Second Officer Lightoller said he was twice pulled back against some gratings where the sea was pouring straight down into the stokehold; he knew full well that if that grating gave way, he would be plummeted straight down into bowels of the ship. He got away when a blast of hot air came up, but then he was sucked right back up against another one. He said he didn’t know how he got away that second time, as he was “rather losing interest…” Colonel Gracie, First Class, didn’t exactly jump overboard, he climbed on top of a deck house and grabbed onto a railing but before he could sit upright, that deck went under, and he went with it. He said it took a few strong kicks to get himself out of a little whirlpool and swim away. But a few survivors who were in the water and very close to the ship as she went under said they felt no suction at all. Harold Bride, wireless operator, said he didn’t feel any pull whatsoever, she just kept going slowly, not far from where he was. And the last man off the Titanic, Chief Baker Charles Joughin, was standing on the ship’s starboard side, a little forward of the propellers. He said it was like taking an elevator, and when the water reached him, he just paddled off and felt the ship leave him beneath his feet. He didn’t even get his hair wet. So it depends on a lot of factors: where you are, how fast the ship is going down, how much the water and air have equalized in your vicinity, and more. It’s sheer damn luck."
His testimony is unreliable and Titanic historians have noted flaws/inaccuracies in his testimony. Charles Joughin was steaming drunk during the sinking and downed an obscene amount of whiskey. He was also positioned on the starboard side of the poop deck and not at the pinnacle of the stern where the suction would have full effect. He slid off the side as the water reached him and swam away to collapsible lifeboat B.
The stern sank so fast being pulled down by the fully flooded bow that it didn't have a chance to flood normally. After it slipped below the waterline the unflooded compartments imploded once the steel of the hull and bulkheads sunk to a depth where it could no longer resist the outside water pressure. Those compartments imploded very suddenly over a hundred meters beneath the sea. Survivors felt and heard those bubbles surface but were luckily too far up to be dragged down by it.
The initial rush of water submerging the boat alone will be enough to bring you under, however, knowing how to float and swim, I don't believe it will be strong enough to keep pulling you after you're under water. As you can see from your small boat, even when it came down, water quickly rushed in to fill that area. Now, think of a giant ship, a titanic, imagine the scale of a human and a ship like that, now imagine water rushing in both sides while you standing there in the middle of the ship. Both sides of you will have huge amounts of water rushing inwards. It's not much of a "suction" but, it is strong enough to pull you in.
The problem is there is no water rushing quickly. The titanic took two hours and 40 minutes to sink. There were people sitting on the final part to go under who were rescued. They weren't pulled under in any way. Charles John Joughin was on the titanic right up to the final piece went under. His head didn't even get wet.
@@jackquick8362 different parts of the ship sink at different rates. The titanic is a pretty bad example, however the sinking of HMS hood is a great one. Sank in three minutes. Only three survivors from 1400. Effects from the water are very quick and short lived but very strong.
They discounted their own sinking. They show the footage of how big ships cause massive water pull because of their mass compared to that of a person. The reason no one can be on a scuttled ship for reefs isnt just because of explosives but because they'd be pulled under just like numerous sailors and veterans have reported when their massive ships go under and the vortex pulls them in. They disproved their own experiment.
30 ton boat vs a 50,000 ton ocean liner... It's very different and the thing is this isn't a myth from just Titanic tons of ships experienced this, HMS Hood when she sank in fact she only had 3 survivors due to the suction.
This is true. I’m sure that’s partly because she went down so quickly too. Imagine how many compartments were releasing air and any one swimming above would struggle too fight the cavitation
@@my_name_is_chef4856Hood was a bad sinking due to several factors, first of all the initial explosion would have killed hundreds and injured hundreds more. The sinking after that was rapid of course, and since the combat continued for some time afterwards rescue was delayed.
[uses comically small boat to verify witness accounts of the largest sunken passenger liner in history] Adam: Nope, no suction. Jamie: *W E L L I ' M S A T I S F I E D*
A several thousand ton ship sinking quickly is going to have all sorts of air filled spaces suddenly being exposed to the ocean. The surrounding water is going to be rushing to fill those void spaces with increasing pressure. Anything/anyone nearby is going along for the ride to the bottom.
If you read up about Charles Joughin, the chef aboard RMS Titanic, he was clinging onto her stern as she sank from under him into the depths. He stated afterwards, that she sank out from under him, and he just stepped off, his hair not even getting wet. So, he lived clearly, and wasn't sucked under.
Different ships, different sinking speeds, different angles for the suction effect to be created, ie standing at the very stern of the ship, rather than the centre of mass falling below you. Look at the witness reports from the only 3 guys to survive the HMS Hood going down. They only survived the suction effect because something (most likely a boiler) exploded below them, propelling them to the surface.
@@Edvard.Munchkin “The suction was dragging me down. The pressure on my ears was increasing each second, and panic returned in its worse intensity. I struggled madly to try to heave myself up to the surface. I got nowhere. Although it seemed like an eternity, I was under water for barely a minute. “My lungs were bursting. I knew that I just had to breathe. I opened my lips and gulped in a mouthful of water. My tongue was forced to the back of my throat. I was not going to reach the surface. I was going to die. As I weakened, my resolve left me. “What was the use of struggling? I had heard it was nice to drown. I stopped trying to swim upwards. The water was a peaceful cradle. I was being rocked to sleep. There was nothing I could do about it-goodnight, mum. I was ready to meet God. “My blissful acceptance of death ended in a sudden surge beneath me, which shot me to the surface like a decanted cork in a champagne bottle. I wasn’t going to die. I wasn’t going to die. I trod water as I panted in great gulps of air." - Ordinary Signalman Ted Briggs
It probably has something to do with the speed it sinks at. The Titanic took over 2 hours to sink. Ships like the Empress of Ireland and Lusitania sank in less than 15 minutes, probably creating a lot more turbulence through the water.
Just because he didn't feel it, doesn't mean that it's not there. It was just too weak for him to feel it. Test it with something bigger, and you would feel it. Test it with something like the Titanic, and you've got yourself a real phenomenon. Provided this theory is valid.
Suction would be difficult to feel physically, since it would affect your entire body, similar almost to gravity, so if it doesn't result in a significant amount of force you mighty not notice it. They certainly didn't measure. But just looking at the footage you can see how some of the water flows into the boat. Just looking at the footage they show of the large ship sinking you can clearly see how the effect is amplified as the water rushes onto the deck. If you were in that water 10 or so feet away you yourself would be sucked all the way onto the deck. You would probably survive but it would be life threatening. Now imagine your fleeing a ship as big as the titanic. Not only is the water rushing onto the deck but also onto the lower floors. Unless you get very far away you are going down with that ship and nothing will save you.
"i didn't sink when the dingy sank therefore there's no suction when a giant titanic sized ship sinks" i like mythbusters, they're great and i watched them for years while it was still on but this is just lazy and stupid on their part.
Any solid object moving through a fluid that isn't completely streamlined will develop vortices in its wake (like a slipstream). The power of this slipstream will depend on the shape, speed, and size of the object. I don't think this test was very conclusive, but I am willing to believe a ship going down doesn't develop a strong enough vortex to pose a threat to overboard sailors, especially if they're wearing life vests. As far as life rafts are concerned, in any case where the water's surface is intact, they will be riding high above the mayhem.
Even that little boat has that effect when it suddenly disappears it makes a space for the water to focus in the center where the mass of the ship was before, but because of the small size they can't feel it at all, but you can see it. I am sure a huge ship like Titanic or giant cargo ship or battleship would make that effect even if it would suck you just 1-2 meter under the water. They have to accept that they can't bust it for sure, because they don't have the money to sink a huge ship. :)
My theory in the beginning was that water rushes into the boat and as it goes down it pulls water with it and now other water fills that spot and has to fill the spot.
Elsewhere on UA-cam you can see film of the dreadnought SMS Szent István sinking in 1918. More than 1,000 of her crew survived (about 90 died) - they swam off. There's no sign of powerful suction in the film and you can see the sailors swimming without difficulty, poor devils.
Um, actually there testing help save someone, when there were testing out what to do if you drive you car into a lake or an ocean, a woman tried out the method of wait for the pressure to equalize so she can open the door
+Ever Free Gaming So they balanced that out with convincing people that they don't need to swim away from a sinking boat. Trying to get someone killed if a large ship goes down
People are saying that they need a bigger boat, they addressed this issue at 4:05. The problem I see here though is that there weren't watertight compartments still filled with air that went below the surface. When they bust eventually, (and very soon since you don't have to go down very deep to get to water with enough pressure to just cave in glass) thats when you get the vortex and the air bubbles that make up suction.
Ther's no kind of "suction". But if you are in the water nearby a ship going down, you might get sucked back i n t o the ship by water entering the ship itself. And then, there's no way out anymore, and you'll go down with the wreck. Honourable for a captain only, but deadly anyway.
*Thank you for comparing the "Largest Ship In The World of 1912" to a "TINY FISHING BOAT"!* Edit : Plus, the Titanic was probrably sinking 10x faster than the tiny fishing boat. ALSO, the fishing boat is a BOAT not a CRUISE SHIP.
Speed and size are prime parameters in a vortex. Bravo you have demonstrated that even as you get sucked behind a freighter at 60 mph you might not get sucked behind a shopping cart at 3mph.
Personally I'd have to agree with the second theory because I think if you get caught with the rush of water when the air leaves the ship it will suck you down. I think their issue is that the boat was not nearly big enough.
+MCTimTime Yeah she was as this is just a small little pilot boat. Though not much larger as the Titanic only were about 260 meters. And yes 260 meters is big but compared to todays Panamax container ships wich some even being 399 meters and the oil tanker Seawise Giant(sadly she was scrapped) who were even 449 meters. Though it's still very big as even ships that are 80 meters is giant when you come close to them in real life
The only way they could properly test this is with a dummy placed a board a large ship which is then scuttled. And yes, this does happen, it's called 'reefing' when an obsolete vessel is towed into open water and the seacocks opened, the wreck being intended to serve as an artificial reef to attract marine life and dive tourism. They've done it with a number of really big ships including the 8,000-ton, 500' long Texas Clipper (formerly a prewar ocean liner called the Excambion) and the 31,000-ton, 900' long USS Oriskany, a huge WW2 era aircraft carrier. Next time they sink something big, someone should give Mythbusters a call :)
With large vessels, there are many different pressure zones. Some will suck water in, others expulse it at high pressure. They are right that there is no OVERALL pull down if averaged over the entire area, but it can still be extremely dangerous in some spots.
I new a man Charlie Brooks and he was on the USS Indianapolis. He told me that when the torpedoes hit there was hardly time to get off the boat and he said that a couple of his friends did get sucked down. On of the guys was able to get back to the top. The problem with the mythbusters is they didn't try their little experiment on a big ship that went down in 12 minutes.
It's not necessarily weight that would cause suction, but surface area and the speed it goes down. The bigger the surface area, and the faster it goes down, the bigger the volume of water it "cavitates" as it sinks.
Surely the presence of suction around a sinking vessel depends on several factors like weight, speed of sinking and volume of water. If you slam your fist down into a pool of water the displacement of water causes a form of suction as the water behind it fills the void left by the disturbance. Gently place your fist on the surface and move it downwards and the displacement is less if not absent. To a person that “suction” is minimal, but to something like an ant, it’s going to be massive.
They're gonna need a bigger boat...
I came to the comment section to say exactly that! You got there first :D
Same
try a cargo ship that should do it
but it could probably kill them
You must not have gotten the jaws joke.
This is accurately how long Myth Busters episodes really are when you take out the commercials. Thanks Discovery.
Mr Voks they're around 40 minutes each. This is basically Mythbusters for people who want a quick explaination.
/r/woosh
This isnt actually a full episode, does anyone remember Robot Chicken? Lmao their episodes were literally 6-7 minutes to 23-24 minutes of commercial. Albeit they were stop animated which is tedious as all hell.
+ They just show just the interesting myth here. Usually it was 5 minutes of an experiment you wanted to see, 15 minutes commercials, and 10 minutes of the other 3 Mythbusters testing what happens if you drop a mentos into a coke.
How bad is your short attention Spam? They cut 63% of the Episode.
Had an uncle in the merchant marine who experienced a sinking. He said he was pulled under by suction as the ship went down wearing a life jacket. Without the life jacket he said he would have never made it back to the surface. He attributed the suction to the rushing in of water filling compartments within the sinking ship. They probably did need a larger ship to come anywhere near an accurate simulation of the phenomenon.
BINGO!!! The boat they used was too small and they were not on a part of it that would be subject to the forces of suction. Sometimes this show can be downright dangerous in the misinformation it spreads.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 That was my exact thought too. Their comparison was all wrong.
Yeah, the suction is not from the ship but from the cavities being filled by water pulling anyone in. But other than that I think you're safe. The chief baker of the Titanic said he stepped off and never got his hair wet as he rode the stern down as it sank. But there is the survivor account of Jack Thayer who jumped in the water near the end. A friend of his jumped first and never resurfaced. He said if he didn't hesitate on the jump he would have met the same fate. I think his friend got sucked into a submerged grate or a window. But if there are no cavities I think you're fine. But it's probably a safe bet to get away from a sinking ship regardless.
@@ricopaulson1that’s tecnicly not correct. The suction is created by the rapid sinking body of the ship.
The ship leaves an empty space above it, when rushing down. The water filling this empty space is creating the suctions.
Flooding of compartments is just a small part oft that, although it is the initially moth threatening part.
The suction of a sinking ship is dependent on 4 factors in decreasing order: size, speed of sinking, depth of wattee and empty space inside the ship.
@@ricopaulson1 On the other hand, I have just read a first hand account of Archibald Gracie's experience with the sinking of the Titanic. Gracie was in the water at the time of the sinking and he was sucked under when the ship went under. He said it was like being sucked down a whirlpool. He went down a long way too and only lived because he was a strong underwater swimmer and could hold his breath under water longer than most people. He had even utilised the pool on the Titanic the day before just to stay fit and also because he managed to mostly keep out of the water by way of an upturned boat once he made it back up.
Their version of a “big ship” is WAY different than mine.
Greetings from 2 years into the future! But yeah you really compare a 20 ft boat to an 865 ft ship!
yeah, plus they say there was no suction when i clearly saw them fall toward the suction.
LOL, exactly what I was thinking!
The Titanic's second officer, Charles Lightoller, who survived the sinking, revealed he did indeed get sucked down when one of the vents were taking in water. He was stuck to the vent underwater until there was an explosion which set him lose.
Yep, I remember reading that as well. If I remember correctly, he thought it was a ventilator to one of the boiler rooms, which would make sense.
that would be terrifying
that was not "suction" Lightoller was at the first funnel when that happened.
@hectorpous517 What explains him getting stuck in the funnel though??
@@vinayseth5899 It was taking in water. He was being sucked in.
Need a bigger boat!
Definitely a larger boat is needed.
NEED DA TITANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEED DA TITANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xXChaos FloeXx
Natural Theist need a lot of battle ships and aircraft carrier
Small boat -> small action....
Big boat -> big action...
Same with the dicks.
+Rainers Kristers ...
wrong get ur law of physics right
+Rainers Kristers I agree
Gao Zhi not sure how you interpret physics to say this is wrong.
With a ship the size of the titanic, there would be massive amounts of air inside the hull. Upon sinking, the massive air bubble would reach the surface, and when the thin layer of water holding in the air burst, there would be a massive pocket of air deep under water in which the water would equalize by rushing in to fill the gap, in turn causing massive current, or suction
Apart from sheer size it is also about the speed of the sinking (directly related to flux of water entering the hull) and where a person in the water is in relation to the point (s) of entry of water into the ship.
They tested that little ass boat lol
I mean that sounds good on paper but it still isn’t definitive because you have no hard proof.
So go get the proof for us
@@basketcas3717 The titanic survivors are proof since they literally did get sucked down.
Once again Adam and Jaime didn't take into account that the Titanic was a much larger ship than the little dinghy they used to test the myth. Since the Titanic was much larger, the suction would much bigger and could therefore pull someone down with it.
This has to be one of the dumbest attempts at 'myth busting' that I have seen.
And the suction happend more so towards the bow of said dinghy
I think the cavities of the ship filling with water and creating a pull theory makes a lot of sense. Just imagine holding an empty bottle under water. You can see the the little vortex it creates
Charles Lightoller the highest ranking crew member to survive, said that he was sucked onto a grate on the ship as it sank, then an explosion from inside the ship freed him with a blast of hot air. If you read up on the man, he doesn't seem like much of a fibber.
It definitely is not busted. Water goes down in a huge area and water streams from the sides and down onto it. You will feel some amount of suction, definitely.
if not suction call it the current of water flowing into a hole.
Willy29821 this proves nothing each sinking off a vessel is different and your position in the water relative to the board determines if you will be sucked Or not
Adam Deste
Willy29821 true
Willy29821
They probably would've if they used a ship any bigger then one of the titanic's lifeboats
I like Mythbusters... but this one... ehh... you're not seriously comparing a Titanic with a puny fishing boat...
I know right? They should have gotten a titanic sized ship to use.
+Dat Boi they aren't gonna waste that much money
+Nova Noob tK titanic took a fuckin long time to sink
yea lets rebuild the titanic and then make it sink to see if it actually pulls people down
Yeah this is not 100% accurate. But there should have been atleast some effect. I think when a large ship sinks it might make harder for you to float but I doubt it would pull you down, atleast not very far.
"You're gonna need a bigger boat." -Chief Brody, _Jaws_
Yeah well nerds be like it's we're not you're 🤓🤓🤓🤓
Ryanthegamer 12 I'm not sure what you mean. In the movie he says "you're."
Oh
aa Doug done done
+jake type "bigger boat jaws" into the search bar at the top of this screen. :-)
Mythbusters had Busted, Confirmed and Plausible.
They needed a 4th one, Unconfirmed, where they can't replicate the myth and just admit failure. "Well we tried our best, maybe next time"
there have been reports from survivors of fighting against being sucked down by water flowing into vetilation ducts, doors, windows... the ship itself might not pull anything down, but the ship will still be filling with water when it leaves the surface, so the suction would pull down towards the falling ship
Those are small vents that water is rushing into in isolation, like someone said, those vents and windows are like a submerged bottle creating a vortex.
Everyone mentions lightoller, who jumped and got stuck to one of these ventilation vortexes.
But I haven’t seen a single mention of Charles Joughin, who stayed at the top of the ship, rode it down “like an elevator” and walked off when the water reached him and swam away somewhat peacefully, claiming he didn’t even get his hair wet and that there was certainly no suction when the ship took its final plunge and descended beneath the water.
The suction myth was one the officers were so concerned about due to a novel about a ship sinking and creating a massive suction that pulled the lifeboats under with it.
This, of course, didn’t happen and the officers were worried about something that wasn’t going to happen. However, this fear has propelled the myth of being sucked under for over 100 years.
"A sinking ship is every sailor's nightmare" no, ITS EVERYONES NIGHTMARE
:)
Autumn_ Studios Thrill? What’s so thrilling about most likely dying?
Autumn_ Studios omg at least im not the only one
@@ryounsk yes you are
@@ryounsk if you are a girl then you most likely would be saved on a lifeboat so yea u would have a story to tell.
In Titanics final moment it had about 90000 cubic meters of ocean rushing into her all at the same time - How many cubic meters is this boat taking in... About 6? (If that)
It was not all at the same time. The Titanic took 2 hours to sink and by the time the power was cut almost half of it was already under water. Not only that but the Titanic sank stern first which allowed it to slip into the water much more smoothly than the tugboat which lay on it's side.
Survivors on the Titanic reported they felt no suction from the ship. Titanic's chef reported even that he got on the rail of the ship and remained on it until all the ship sinked then he floated: his hair didn't get wet.
It doesn't make much of difference, which way it sank. And yes, 90000 cubic meters sound pretty realistic.. atleast at the end of the sinking. I made a rough calculation about the volume of the ship.. and I mean rough! It was around 250 meters long, 50 meters wide and 60 meters of height. So with these numbers the total volume of the ship would have been 750,000 cubic meters. It was totally possible it took in water around 90000 cubic meter at the end.
It took almost 3 hours tho
Hasla Hali wait how heavy was the ship when it sank with the extra water or how much water flood inside
The myth is about a sinking ship, not a sinking dinghy...
It's like you people think they actually didn't know that..
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LifeisGreat lol 😂😂😂
I don't know whether sinking ships really do create suction or not, but using a 9 ton dinghy to approximate the force of a 50,000 ton ship (yes folks, that's 0.018%) and saying "I didn't feel anything" is meaningless. Myth NOT busted.
Actually 9 tons is far more than enough. It's about the physics.. if you think there's a NOTICEABLE effect at 50k ton, then there has to be a margin where the effect becomes noticeable..
The tales describe muche smaller ships, like the 1500 ton SS Islander pulling people under.
The fluid-dynamics of this topic have been studied to death. There's NO effect there.
Would you agree that a 1/166th scale should have an effect (if people said others were dragged down to their death by the suction)?
One of the senior officers on titanic later said in an interview about the sinking that he jumped to make for an upturned lifeboat instead of the running to the stern with the others to "delay the inevitable" and that his training always been to get away from a floundering vessel.
He was sucked underwater whilst swimming across the submerged bow when a hatch gave way and he was pinned against a grate whilst the compartment beneath filled with water.
"Don't get caught up the cable!"
That guy is so nice.
9 tons? Try with 50 000 tons.
+8b64z Titanic 2
Titanic had 43
I mean 44
Titanic 2 will have 54
For Titanic? Try 78,000...
personally I have been boating almost my whole life...I highly doubt that they got this right....when a boat/ship moves through the water, it pulls water along behind it...the same concept as drafting behind a big truck on the highway or a car in a race. the bigger the boat or ship the more water that is being moved and the more that will be pulled behind it...so I would be quite sure that a ship like Titanic or a large freighter would easily have enough mass to create quite a violent suction down...
Exactly what I was thinking. You could see even on the demonstration that at some small fraction of time, the water level dropped where the boat was and a violent wave took its place. They're wrong
Spot on!!!
This is by far the dumbest one they've done. There is no myth. It's a well known fact to all sailors that big ships (not small fucking dingies) will suck you down. There's a reason why in Navy boot camp you are required to be able to swim at least 50 meters....
Shut up complaining about it
Walter, explain where he did not use normal English?
I will repeat myself Shut Up Complaining About It
You do have a point only larger ships but I do live mythbusters
I generally like their channel as well, but not when they do stuff like this. Their misinformation due to lack of research is not science. This is pseudoscience, and they have done this on multiple occasions. Worst thing is, some of the misinformation they spread can get people killed.
If you want a case of people being sucked down with the ship look up Ted Briggs, He was aboard the British Battlecruiser HMS Hood when she was blown in half by incredibly lucky/unlucky hit from an enemy ship (Bismarck)and Hood weighing 48,000 tons sank in three minutes the suction created by the sudden sinking of such a large vessel pulled Mr Briggs underwater for estimated a minute and it was only due to what has subsequently have been deduced to have been an air bubble (possibly from a boiler exploding/imploding) that he was blown to the surface. From what I know the other servers did not experience any suction while escaping the ship but that being said out of a crew 1418 men, only Ted and two other survived, now a good number would have been killed outright by the explosions, but numbers still tell.
There's a great video that covers the voyage of the Bismarck and features Ted Briggs of the sinking oh his ship, I've provided a link bellow to the point in the video were it features Ted's text account of him after he entered the water (though I'd recommend watching from an earlier point 31:00). Hope this helps for anyone interested in an actual account of this phenominom ua-cam.com/video/n69kV4gVoDw/v-deo.html
Sure it is true , one of the 3 survivors of HMS Hood told of how he was dragged down as he fought to get away from the sinking ship, he thought he was going to die but managed to fight clear !
Wow this is so stupid. That boat was tiny of course nothing would happen. Something the size of the Titanic or even half the size would have been a good test. This was just a waste of film.
But it'd be pretty stupid just to go sink a ship thats so big and just to waste it
+XXJoshXX x It would. But they could use one that's broken or something and then have it used as an artificial reef. I figured that's what they would do. :P
AlixxA7X Tru. Definitely could've done something of that sort
apprently the titanic didnt cause suction either the chief baker by the name of Charles John Joughin rode it down like an elevator and just swam away he was in waters between -2 and -3 for around 2 hours and was surprisingly fine only suffering swollen feet
yeah totally let's waste a huge ass boat that costed a good amount of money and sink that shit down and let's also make somebody drown
No calculations, no sensors. Just "I didn't feel a tiny ship pulling me down".
Ok...
stfu sensors don't do anything.
@@barnacle_bill2257 um, you realize you see with sensors right? You feel, taste, smell, and hear with sensors. The only difference is that those sensors are being interpreted by your brain.
If you hook a sensor up to a computer, it is able to interpret it in much more accurate ways than a brain will.
For example, pick up a rock. How heavy is the rock? Could you tell me how heavy it is in grams without using a scale, use a scale and tell me how far off you were.
@@barnacle_bill2257 yes, they sense everything, that's why they're sensors.
if the sinking ship has a large amount of trapped air inside that is suddenly vented, I believe that the turbulence caused by the escaping air and the water rushing in to fill up the volume left by the air could be dangerous.
Well they actually tested that later. Bubbles have the opposite effect many people think. They indeed lower the density but that effect is more than counteracted by the current created by the upsurge.
And that water rushing into those cavities wouldn't only come from above. It would come from all sides, greatly lessening the suction force overall
@@joelmulderyes, but if you happened to be caught in some of that water, it’s not great for you
@@adamseidel9780 It is VERY unlikely though. There have been countless sinking incidents over the hundreds of years we’ve had large ships, and most of the time, people can just step off the ship as it goes under. Cases of being sucked along with water rushing into the ship are reported, but in the grand scheme of things extremely rare.
Something as described above required some very specific circumstances, and while I’ll agree that if those present themselves, they could potentially be dangerous, not only is that scenario unlikely, but it’s also not what the myth is about. The myth is about the ship itself pulling you along with it.
@@joelmulder listen, if you’re on a sinking ship, it doesn’t really matter if you have to worry about a vortex from the ship itself going under, or water rushing into the ship, or bubbles coming up from the ship, any of which is plausible on certain conditions. What’s important is you just need to be safe rather than sorry and get the hell away from the ship to make sure you don’t get unlucky.
If you’re in a lifeboat… I doubt you’re at much risk.
There was actually a guy named Charles Joughin who survived the Titanic wreck. He threw several chairs off the boat for people to hold onto once the ship went down, he did this while getting absolutely plastered. He was one of the last people to get off the boat and is depicted in the film beside Rose and Jack. He never jumped off the boat, he stayed on while it sank and is said to never even gotten his head wet. With the alcohol in his blood, he was able to survive in the frigid water until he was found by a boat.
Doesnt alcohol send blood to your extremities thus cooling you quicker?
Not true. The alcohol in his blood did NOT save him. Alcohol kills you faster in cold water. Him surviving in the water for 2 hours was PURE luck, as most people only lived for up to 30 minutes in that water.
@@petermatthews2831 The theory is that it didn't send his body into shock and he was able to get to a raft to get his core out of the freezing water. Cause he didn't go into shock he was able to swim to safety.
@@LazyLizzy706 It did help him because in my comment to the other guy, he didn't go into shock which allowed him to swim to safety. If he wasn't plastered he would have went into shock. This is the explanation by scientists and even cameron himself.
Hms hood engaged with bismark in 1941. She was cut in half and sunk very fast. Many hundred sailors that had survived and were in water were sucked under by suction. Only three survivors survived because they were shot back to surface by underwater explosion happening as main gun ammunation imploded in the sinking ship. The suction is totally real, there are So many accounts of it.
Next time try it with a 50 000 tonne battleship...
Good luck it is 15 billion for a ship that large
welllll we don't use battleships anymore so maybe they can get a discount on one
Bastion Art *cough what about now cough*
Can use a submarine
Bastion Art yeah we do ughhh U.S Navy
Agreed they got this wrong. A ship like the titanic would release enormous amounts of air. You can't swim in bubbles because it's basically like swimming in air.
Survivors of the Titanic reported no suction so yeah, it's a myth.
i worked in a water treatment plant as an electrician contractor. they had tanks. 60 feet deep as long as football fields called aereation tanks to futher filter out solids from the water. one of the plant workers one day said "you see dem lifepreservers? yea they just for show. you go in your going to the bottom. well have to drain the tank" he was right. little 3m plastic wirenuts wouldnt float in them tanks. condoms would tho.
Titanic Survivors DID report being pulled down. Specifically Charles Lightoller
But what about scale? Is it the same a one man boat than a transatlantic?
Cut a few portholes in a shipping container and see how strong the suction is at the holes, as it submerges. The suction doesn't come from the ship replacing the water as it goes down, it comes from large quantities of water rushing into the ship to replacing the air inside. So a sinking ship will create many points of suction as it sinks, but the ship as a whole will just rush down to the bottom like an arrow and create only little suction of its own. We know this from Titanic testimonials, where the last guy to be on the ship is said to have ridden her stern down like and elevator and didn't even get his hair wet. Maybe an overstatement, but the last guy on the Titanic wasn't sucked down and he's even in the 1997 film, right next to Jack/Rose as she goes down.
That's one of the things I disliked about the movie. It showed all this suction as the stern went under and as you mentioned the Baker literally stood on it and road it down to the water like an elevator and didn't even get his head weight. On the other hand Charles Lightoller definitely experienced suction as he was pinned against a ventilator grate when by inrushing water until a blast of air from inside the ship blew him away from the opening.
Okay. So now try it with an 883 foot long, 50,000 ton ship
You can pay
Service members who had their ships sink in WW2 in the pacific mention that they would get pulled down by the ship .
3 people survived the hams hood sinking and one was dragged all the way under until a boiler explosion propelled him back up
It depends on the ship...I don' think it is busted. I have read WWII accounts of men on sinking ships and they have been sucked down...that said it would often be only so far then they would pop up due to their life jackets. SO the force due to whatever, be it just drag, was enough to counter the buoyancy of the life jacket for a time. I expect there is a nice math formula to work it all out. Displacement of the boat/ship, speed of sinking, and so forth, to work out how much force will be there to drag the person under.
Same thing with M/S Estonia. I have heard several interviews with survivors saying that they had to tie themselves to nearby floating objects to resist the heavy suction created by the sinking ship. The myth is absolutely not busted.
And they used a tiny boat, something of larger mass would have a completely different effect
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thanks again 5
I doubt it has anything to do with falling speed, but more to do with surface area of the boat. since the boat was so small it didn't create an effect at all hardly. I'm willing to bet that there is no suction at all until the boat starts to submerge underwater. once the boat goes underwater, the water around it will start to rush at a high speed to fill the gap in the water created by the huge boat, and that's what's causing the people to get sucked underwater
Lol that's a boat not a ship 😂
I learned the difference in assassin's creed 4: a ship is a boat that can hold another boat
Next time don't take your lessons on naval architecture from a video game. The truth is there is no definition for ship other than a large buoyant vessel. A boat that can hold another boat is not necessarily a ship because a 30' ketch could hold a small dory as a tender, and nobody would call a 30' sailboat a "ship."
Several centuries ago, a ship was defined as any full-rigged sailing vessel, meaning it had at least 3 masts and was at least partially square-rigged. As times changed and steam and later motor vessels became commonplace, the definition never caught up and these days a ship is simply a large vessel. But there is no definitive cutoff. Is a 40' tug a ship? I'm not sure, to some it could be. Is a 150' ocean tug a ship? I would think most people would say yes, but there are quite a few people who would still call it a boat. And on the Great Lakes, the mariners are much more informal. "Left" and "right" are often used in place of "port" and "starboard," and ship and boat is used interchangeably to refer to the lakers.
+Colton Reeves I don't think he meant it literally bro. Lol
Colton Reeves if you are on mobile rip for da typing amount. I consider anything larger than a standard tugboat a ship
Berenger Christy a ship is a boat that is approximately 60 feet long or longer
For two guys who apparently couldn't stand each other in real life, I always respect Adam and Jaime for being so civil and polite on screen.
They are both intelligent men, both making lots of money. To be anything else would just be stupid.
The idea that Adam and Jamie “can’t stand each other” is inaccurate. Both men stated this is false and rather they are just not personal friends, but somehow not being friends morphs into they hate each other’s guts. Their relationship is similar to a coworker you’d talk to at work but never hangout with when you aren’t working.
@@thewhexperience3901 didnt the ceo of discovery not like jamie ?
They should have tested the myth that the two of them making out would get me hard.
Myth busted! Haha
3:04 It did have a suction but you need a bigger boat to have it impact a human.
They got this one very wrong. There has been countless reports of sailors almost drowning after being sucked down with sinking ships. You have to consider the mass, water being sucks into the hull, and all that stuff.
I agree with you
too right
+Michael RedCrow The biggest thing to me in their final build was the rate at which the ship sank.
When done with a rapidly sinking weight with Adam on top of it, he was dragged straight to the bottom.
Several shipwrecks, such as the Titanic, were known to have sunk extremely quickly, partially owing to the ship being pointed straight at the bottom when it finally went under, making it like the small scale test, which was positive.
Gentlemen, I was a sailor, 1983-1987, a rapidly sinking ship of massive tonnage will drag you down.
I realize you are trying to debunk a myth but this is a myth that is real. You need to remove this video.
"folklorist" is that an actual title? Like is every otaku a "folklorist" can I put that on my resume???
"Expendable" was the most accurate job title in this case.
lol
what is otaku
Depends what country you're in :P
But in the west it means someone who is VERY into anime.
In Japan (where the word came from) Otaku has a similar meaning but it is more to do with being a shut in and doesn't HAVE to be someone who is into anime, it can be something else like games.
If i am wrong please tell me :).
Otaku doesn't mean being a shut it. The word is often used for people who like anime or manga but the word can be used to anyone having an obsessive interest on anything.
A shut in is called an hikikomori and the ones that doesn't do anything, freeloading is called NEET, "Not in Education, Employment or Training."
Otaku is often associated with hikikomori and NEETs but they are totally different things. Otaku just basically has the same meaning as nerds or geeks.
The suction of a boat or ship is a mixture of weight and air pockets that little boat didn't have over 1'000 rooms like the titanic and and weigh 52 thousand tons, the reason why so many people got sucked down with the ship was because when the funnels came of the water flooded the compartments at the stern creating a whirlpool of suction and dont forget all of G,F,ED,C,B,A and boat deck at the stern were entirely dry so when the stern went under the portholes/windows on the ship couldn't take the water pressure and gave way letting in more water to a huge air pocket and let me say it.
small air pocket = small suction
TITANIC SIZED AIR POCKET = very large suction
Well, the chef of the Titanic, one of the survivors, stated that he felt no suction from the ship at all. Hell, it was even said that his hair didn't even get wet.
I want you to read this even though it's a lengthy one, but you'll get a better answer to that:
"Dave Nitzer
, all things RMS Titanic
Updated October 19, 2019
While the ship is still filling up with water, if you’re in the path of that water, yes, you could easily get dragged along with it, like an undertow or rip current at the beach. This very thing happened as the Titanic was going down for the final plunge.
Jack Thayer and his friend Milton Long jumped overboard from the Boat Deck right before the end, a few seconds apart. Milton Long jumped first and was sucked into the water which had begun pouring into the Titanic’s open A deck just below; he was never seen again. Jack Thayer adjusted his life belt first, then jumped a few seconds later; those few extra seconds made all the difference. He said he was first pushed out and down, away from the Titanic, by the backwash from the same water that had just sucked his friend back inside the ship. When he finally came to the surface, he had been pushed some thirty yards clear from the twisting, sinking hull.
When the first funnel fell over, the hole at its base immediately opened up a whirlpool for a few seconds, 25 feet across, as the sea poured straight down into the forward boiler room. Those who had been standing or swimming in the immediate area were taken right down with it. Eugene Daly, swimming in the water a distance away from the ship, watched the second funnel submerge a minute later: “those poor people that covered the water were sucked down in those funnels… like ants” as the forward part of the ship went under.
Several others who jumped at the last minute and survived described similar effects. Second Officer Lightoller said he was twice pulled back against some gratings where the sea was pouring straight down into the stokehold; he knew full well that if that grating gave way, he would be plummeted straight down into bowels of the ship. He got away when a blast of hot air came up, but then he was sucked right back up against another one. He said he didn’t know how he got away that second time, as he was “rather losing interest…”
Colonel Gracie, First Class, didn’t exactly jump overboard, he climbed on top of a deck house and grabbed onto a railing but before he could sit upright, that deck went under, and he went with it. He said it took a few strong kicks to get himself out of a little whirlpool and swim away.
But a few survivors who were in the water and very close to the ship as she went under said they felt no suction at all. Harold Bride, wireless operator, said he didn’t feel any pull whatsoever, she just kept going slowly, not far from where he was. And the last man off the Titanic, Chief Baker Charles Joughin, was standing on the ship’s starboard side, a little forward of the propellers. He said it was like taking an elevator, and when the water reached him, he just paddled off and felt the ship leave him beneath his feet. He didn’t even get his hair wet.
So it depends on a lot of factors: where you are, how fast the ship is going down, how much the water and air have equalized in your vicinity, and more. It’s sheer damn luck."
His testimony is unreliable and Titanic historians have noted flaws/inaccuracies in his testimony. Charles Joughin was steaming drunk during the sinking and downed an obscene amount of whiskey. He was also positioned on the starboard side of the poop deck and not at the pinnacle of the stern where the suction would have full effect. He slid off the side as the water reached him and swam away to collapsible lifeboat B.
The stern sank so fast being pulled down by the fully flooded bow that it didn't have a chance to flood normally. After it slipped below the waterline the unflooded compartments imploded once the steel of the hull and bulkheads sunk to a depth where it could no longer resist the outside water pressure. Those compartments imploded very suddenly over a hundred meters beneath the sea. Survivors felt and heard those bubbles surface but were luckily too far up to be dragged down by it.
That Chef turned out to be a lying fraud that never was on the Titanic to begin with
@@KatieWilliams1990x Unreliable testimony compared to what? _Your_ experience of being on the Titanic as it sank?
The initial rush of water submerging the boat alone will be enough to bring you under, however, knowing how to float and swim, I don't believe it will be strong enough to keep pulling you after you're under water. As you can see from your small boat, even when it came down, water quickly rushed in to fill that area. Now, think of a giant ship, a titanic, imagine the scale of a human and a ship like that, now imagine water rushing in both sides while you standing there in the middle of the ship. Both sides of you will have huge amounts of water rushing inwards. It's not much of a "suction" but, it is strong enough to pull you in.
The problem is there is no water rushing quickly. The titanic took two hours and 40 minutes to sink. There were people sitting on the final part to go under who were rescued. They weren't pulled under in any way. Charles John Joughin was on the titanic right up to the final piece went under. His head didn't even get wet.
They should of used ants as comparison instead of the 2 idiots
@@jackquick8362 different parts of the ship sink at different rates. The titanic is a pretty bad example, however the sinking of HMS hood is a great one. Sank in three minutes. Only three survivors from 1400. Effects from the water are very quick and short lived but very strong.
Less like suction, more like an underwater currant
They discounted their own sinking. They show the footage of how big ships cause massive water pull because of their mass compared to that of a person. The reason no one can be on a scuttled ship for reefs isnt just because of explosives but because they'd be pulled under just like numerous sailors and veterans have reported when their massive ships go under and the vortex pulls them in. They disproved their own experiment.
I strongly feel like you needed a bigger boat to test with.
30 ton boat vs a 50,000 ton ocean liner... It's very different and the thing is this isn't a myth from just Titanic tons of ships experienced this, HMS Hood when she sank in fact she only had 3 survivors due to the suction.
This is true. I’m sure that’s partly because she went down so quickly too. Imagine how many compartments were releasing air and any one swimming above would struggle too fight the cavitation
@@my_name_is_chef4856Hood was a bad sinking due to several factors, first of all the initial explosion would have killed hundreds and injured hundreds more. The sinking after that was rapid of course, and since the combat continued for some time afterwards rescue was delayed.
2:42 regardless of suction or not, wouldn't that force created by the boat submerging be insanely strong on a big ship?
I doubt you can just swim off like in this video xd
The ship was toooooooo small
[uses comically small boat to verify witness accounts of the largest sunken passenger liner in history]
Adam: Nope, no suction.
Jamie: *W E L L I ' M S A T I S F I E D*
Many, MANY ships larger and with more GRT than Titanic have sunk.
I'd guess that it has more to do with the speed at which it goes down than anything else .
The speed and the size
A several thousand ton ship sinking quickly is going to have all sorts of air filled spaces suddenly being exposed to the ocean. The surrounding water is going to be rushing to fill those void spaces with increasing pressure. Anything/anyone nearby is going along for the ride to the bottom.
That’s a tiny shrimp truck compared to the titanic myth buster fail
If you read up about Charles Joughin, the chef aboard RMS Titanic, he was clinging onto her stern as she sank from under him into the depths. He stated afterwards, that she sank out from under him, and he just stepped off, his hair not even getting wet. So, he lived clearly, and wasn't sucked under.
Different ships, different sinking speeds, different angles for the suction effect to be created, ie standing at the very stern of the ship, rather than the centre of mass falling below you. Look at the witness reports from the only 3 guys to survive the HMS Hood going down. They only survived the suction effect because something (most likely a boiler) exploded below them, propelling them to the surface.
@@chrisakky Will check it out
@@Edvard.Munchkin “The suction was dragging me down. The pressure on my ears was increasing each second, and panic returned in its worse intensity. I struggled madly to try to heave myself up to the surface. I got nowhere. Although it seemed like an eternity, I was under water for barely a minute.
“My lungs were bursting. I knew that I just had to breathe. I opened my lips and gulped in a mouthful of water. My tongue was forced to the back of my throat. I was not going to reach the surface. I was going to die. As I weakened, my resolve left me.
“What was the use of struggling? I had heard it was nice to drown. I stopped trying to swim upwards. The water was a peaceful cradle. I was being rocked to sleep. There was nothing I could do about it-goodnight, mum. I was ready to meet God.
“My blissful acceptance of death ended in a sudden surge beneath me, which shot me to the surface like a decanted cork in a champagne bottle. I wasn’t going to die. I wasn’t going to die. I trod water as I panted in great gulps of air." - Ordinary Signalman Ted Briggs
@@chrisakky Powerful
I can't imagine a huge ship like the size of the titanic not creating suction
But this dinghy was 1/1000 the size of the Titanic and it didn't suck him down. Busted!
It probably has something to do with the speed it sinks at. The Titanic took over 2 hours to sink. Ships like the Empress of Ireland and Lusitania sank in less than 15 minutes, probably creating a lot more turbulence through the water.
Problem here is that the scale is much bigger on something like the titanic. It's a much bigger syringe sucking everything in.
he said no suction at all. Even if the ship was as small as that it would still suck a little bit but in this case it didn't at all.
Wasn't much science done to prove that.
His reasoning in that simulation was equivalent to "pics or it didn't happen"
Just because he didn't feel it, doesn't mean that it's not there. It was just too weak for him to feel it. Test it with something bigger, and you would feel it. Test it with something like the Titanic, and you've got yourself a real phenomenon. Provided this theory is valid.
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Suction would be difficult to feel physically, since it would affect your entire body, similar almost to gravity, so if it doesn't result in a significant amount of force you mighty not notice it. They certainly didn't measure.
But just looking at the footage you can see how some of the water flows into the boat.
Just looking at the footage they show of the large ship sinking you can clearly see how the effect is amplified as the water rushes onto the deck. If you were in that water 10 or so feet away you yourself would be sucked all the way onto the deck. You would probably survive but it would be life threatening.
Now imagine your fleeing a ship as big as the titanic. Not only is the water rushing onto the deck but also onto the lower floors. Unless you get very far away you are going down with that ship and nothing will save you.
"i didn't sink when the dingy sank therefore there's no suction when a giant titanic sized ship sinks"
i like mythbusters, they're great and i watched them for years while it was still on but this is just lazy and stupid on their part.
First, they weren’t in the right place, have a look at the top of the cabin, and second, what everyone else said, they need a bigger boat
i believe if its a big ass boat, it will be more force, that was just a small little boat so yeah
You also have to remember the titanic sank in a different way than this ship with it going straight down not gradually sinking in by its side
Discovery Channel: hey lets test suction when giant ships sink
Mythbusters: uses a canoe
Any solid object moving through a fluid that isn't completely streamlined will develop vortices in its wake (like a slipstream). The power of this slipstream will depend on the shape, speed, and size of the object. I don't think this test was very conclusive, but I am willing to believe a ship going down doesn't develop a strong enough vortex to pose a threat to overboard sailors, especially if they're wearing life vests. As far as life rafts are concerned, in any case where the water's surface is intact, they will be riding high above the mayhem.
Even that little boat has that effect when it suddenly disappears it makes a space for the water to focus in the center where the mass of the ship was before, but because of the small size they can't feel it at all, but you can see it. I am sure a huge ship like Titanic or giant cargo ship or battleship would make that effect even if it would suck you just 1-2 meter under the water.
They have to accept that they can't bust it for sure, because they don't have the money to sink a huge ship. :)
My theory in the beginning was that water rushes into the boat and as it goes down it pulls water with it and now other water fills that spot and has to fill the spot.
That's like ''can you survive diving into a pool with 1/2 meter of water in it, from 25 meters?''
They should have used a bigger ship.. :P
lol
great example of smart people doing stupid stuffs.
+beliefmail shut your pie hole. mythbusters inspired a generation of engineers and scientific thinkers
Elsewhere on UA-cam you can see film of the dreadnought SMS Szent István sinking in 1918. More than 1,000 of her crew survived (about 90 died) - they swam off. There's no sign of powerful suction in the film and you can see the sailors swimming without difficulty, poor devils.
I always thought its because it leaves behind empty space with no water so the water rushes in to fill the gap and pulls you down with it.
Mythbusters never test any of the myths properly, nothing new.
Um, actually there testing help save someone, when there were testing out what to do if you drive you car into a lake or an ocean, a woman tried out the method of wait for the pressure to equalize so she can open the door
+Ever Free Gaming
So they balanced that out with convincing people that they don't need to swim away from a sinking boat. Trying to get someone killed if a large ship goes down
+Ever Free Gaming
also their*
that is not a myth..it is common knowledge.
common knowledge busted! next time: does 2+2 really =4?
2:42 there even though this is a small fishing boat there was still some suction, just not enough to pull down the person on this tiny boat.
So small boat vs. huge boat. Try that shit then get back to me.
People are saying that they need a bigger boat, they addressed this issue at 4:05. The problem I see here though is that there weren't watertight compartments still filled with air that went below the surface. When they bust eventually, (and very soon since you don't have to go down very deep to get to water with enough pressure to just cave in glass) thats when you get the vortex and the air bubbles that make up suction.
The wet suits also made the test invalid since it helps you stay buoyant in the water.
As you increase the weight of the boat, the 'pulling/sucking' power increases exponentially. Definitely worth a revisit.
Ther's no kind of "suction". But if you are in the water nearby a ship going down, you might get sucked back i n t o the ship by water entering the ship itself. And then, there's no way out anymore, and you'll go down with the wreck. Honourable for a captain only, but deadly anyway.
Jolly Roger that’s what people mean by suction
@@jadenhalstead7290 Lol
I for one don't think they busted this myth.
If I can "run" in a pool and drag small children behind me im pretty sure a larger boat would have the same affect.
*Thank you for comparing the "Largest Ship In The World of 1912" to a "TINY FISHING BOAT"!*
Edit : Plus, the Titanic was probrably sinking 10x faster than the tiny fishing boat. ALSO, the fishing boat is a BOAT not a CRUISE SHIP.
you're right, the titanic, which sunk over multiple hours, did sink 10x faster than the tug boat which sank in under a couple minutes,
@@lurac5710 He said *probably*
@@squidwardfromua you got me there squidward.
FAIL: I did not see any "ship" sinking in this video.
2:31 It sinks. But its a very tiny boat.
You can do this myth in your bathtub,get a toy boat and a small toy, do it tell me in the comments what you got.
Depends on the speed of the toy boat. If you drag it down, oc the toy will get sucked in. But slowly submerge the toy boat and well...nothing happens.
You have to use a big boat
Speed and size are prime parameters in a vortex.
Bravo you have demonstrated that even as you get sucked behind a freighter at 60 mph you might not get sucked behind a shopping cart at 3mph.
Personally I'd have to agree with the second theory because I think if you get caught with the rush of water when the air leaves the ship it will suck you down. I think their issue is that the boat was not nearly big enough.
that's a boat, not a ship which is worse
yea there's no way a boat that small recreates the circumstances close enough to what a boat literally 15 times bigger would cause
The titanic was more than 15 times bigger than that.
If it's 15 times bigger than this, it's not a boat
+MCTimTime Yeah she was as this is just a small little pilot boat. Though not much larger as the Titanic only were about 260 meters. And yes 260 meters is big but compared to todays Panamax container ships wich some even being 399 meters and the oil tanker Seawise Giant(sadly she was scrapped) who were even 449 meters. Though it's still very big as even ships that are 80 meters is giant when you come close to them in real life
TwoGunToast "Literally 15 times bigger"? Fuck off.
Titanic was 52000tons, compared to this little boat, I say 10tons, is 5200 times bigger than it.
thats a small ass boat tho
Calling a myth busted without taking to account that they've only tested it on a mini tugboat is beyond me. You need a freaking ship for this to work.
The only way they could properly test this is with a dummy placed a board a large ship which is then scuttled. And yes, this does happen, it's called 'reefing' when an obsolete vessel is towed into open water and the seacocks opened, the wreck being intended to serve as an artificial reef to attract marine life and dive tourism. They've done it with a number of really big ships including the 8,000-ton, 500' long Texas Clipper (formerly a prewar ocean liner called the Excambion) and the 31,000-ton, 900' long USS Oriskany, a huge WW2 era aircraft carrier. Next time they sink something big, someone should give Mythbusters a call :)
No way!!! You mean exactly like what is shown in the freaking video at the beginning?!?
@@TheSolongsidekick haha yeah, missed that 🤦♂️
I disagree with the results completely.
A bigger boat would have bigger results.
You were wearing a wetsuit. do you have any idea how buoyant they are? also the "ship" needs to be more heavy, 9 tonnes is nothing.
+G.E.W.H Yep, exactly.
I don't know what to say, wurd. How stupid are you?
+Vortex Donut *spelled
cancer this is
When navy sailors attest to it and mythbusters say no way, I tend to believe the sailors.
no navy sailors attest to it lol.
With large vessels, there are many different pressure zones. Some will suck water in, others expulse it at high pressure. They are right that there is no OVERALL pull down if averaged over the entire area, but it can still be extremely dangerous in some spots.
I new a man Charlie Brooks and he was on the USS Indianapolis. He told me that when the torpedoes hit there was hardly time to get off the boat and he said that a couple of his friends did get sucked down. On of the guys was able to get back to the top. The problem with the mythbusters is they didn't try their little experiment on a big ship that went down in 12 minutes.
There is suction when a ship or a boat sinks bc I almost died bc of it
That mythtanic is a joke.... Bring a real ship... Then you'll see a different story..
the bigger the boat the bigger the suction
*sucction
It's not necessarily weight that would cause suction, but surface area and the speed it goes down. The bigger the surface area, and the faster it goes down, the bigger the volume of water it "cavitates" as it sinks.
Surely the presence of suction around a sinking vessel depends on several factors like weight, speed of sinking and volume of water. If you slam your fist down into a pool of water the displacement of water causes a form of suction as the water behind it fills the void left by the disturbance. Gently place your fist on the surface and move it downwards and the displacement is less if not absent. To a person that “suction” is minimal, but to something like an ant, it’s going to be massive.