Not sure I really agree with many of your points but cool video! I think you're forgetting how harsh the world is in the Gentleman Bastards world (Camorr in particular). I think Locke would do just as well manipulating nobles in Westeros and I think Tyrion would struggle big time in Camorr. Tyrion has the same wit and intelligence but he lacks the practical abilities (such as false-facing) that helps Locke get by - what you referred to as "luck". We need to remember also that Tyrion gets by mostly using his status as a Lannister while Locke is so much more resourceful and can mingle with any type of company. Don't agree regarding the character development bit either but I think personal bias does tend to creep in a fair bit with issues of such a high degree of subjectivity :)
Tbh i wouldnt agree with the last point. While i would agree that Locke wouldnt get very far in ASOIAF, i dont think Tyrion would do any better. He was able to talk himself out of many situations, but that was usually in some form due to his family name. Without it he would be just a smart dwarf against a smart but also physicaly capable and trained in combat thief who doesnt really need connections to figure something out. I wouldnt also call Tyrion a secondary character, when you consider that he has the most chapters in whole series, with 49 to Daenerys 31.
Tyrion would do better in Lockes world? Are you kidding me? Locke would be like Littlefinger on steroids. Tyrion would be nothing without the lannister name
Tyrion's ability to succeed is based that hes a Lannister. When you put him in Locke's world, is he still a member of a very powerful noble family, cos otherwise he'll just be a common dwarf who wouldn't too well.
I just don’t think I could explain the nuanced metaphors and complex meaning behind all the braid pulls :/ we will need to leave that for future philosophers to discuss. /s
I don't really agree on some points tbh. Though Tyrion is my favourite character in ASOIAF, I just finished book 3 of the Gentlemen Bastards and have a developed a huge crush for Locke. That being set aside, here comes my question: origin? What does that mean? Parents, upbringing, social class? And as for Locke, his origins seem to be very unclear and mysterious. He is even described as someone or rather something "unique". Does that not count as origin? Tyrion on the other hand is more "normal" in that his origins can be reduced to biology alone. However this is far from me, and I think that his origin IS interesting because of the reasons you mentioned. I just don't think that Locke lacks intriguing qualities as far as origin is concerned, more so because we don't know his full (origin) story yet. But they sure both stick out like sore thumbs.
I'll agree with your views up until the last point. Tyrion wouldn't survive Camorr very well at all because the City is unforgiving. Perhaps if Tyrion was a Don he would be treated fair enough until his tounge caused him to lose his first duel (Camorri pride doesn't let one pick a champion for duels). As an underling his stature would bring too much attention to him. As a child he wouldn't have been able to survive the streets. The theifmaker wouldn't even buy him, he would be off to the whore houses in Jerem lol. Where as Locke in ASOIAF would thrive. There is a character in Martin's book that has a similar build, temperment, and mind. He thrives in convoluted chaos and has a knack for working his way up from nothing....that character is Littlefinger.
Are You comparing book Tyrion or tv series Tyrion? (im asking because I don't think that Tyrion is with Daenerys in the books, isn't he with the mercenaries?)
I think Locke would do better. He is cunning and smart. He doesn't just get dumb luck he spends time to get his plans together. Also his acting skills can get him far. As for tyrion he uses his last names to do things. Also it seems like everyone would most likely be against him. Lockers relationships are based on friendships and how they help him which they are greatly written.Also for the origin Locke is ment to be a bit more mysterious.
I had to look before stepping up on the same soapbox. I was expecting him to have a caption reading "You know what I mean," but he seems to be saying it straight. Ah well, we all have moments like that.
To those of you saying that Tyrion wouldn't fare well in the Gentleman Bastards world because his Lannister name means nothing in that world, you have to consider Tyrion is one hell of a smooth-talker too. Just look at how he convinced Bronn and the mountain clans to join him in book 1. I would recommend watching Charisma on Command's Tyrion videos. He easily proves that point.
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But you can’t put Locke in a world without Jean
I give the Iron Bank 1 year before they are robbed silly.
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Not sure I really agree with many of your points but cool video! I think you're forgetting how harsh the world is in the Gentleman Bastards world (Camorr in particular). I think Locke would do just as well manipulating nobles in Westeros and I think Tyrion would struggle big time in Camorr. Tyrion has the same wit and intelligence but he lacks the practical abilities (such as false-facing) that helps Locke get by - what you referred to as "luck". We need to remember also that Tyrion gets by mostly using his status as a Lannister while Locke is so much more resourceful and can mingle with any type of company.
Don't agree regarding the character development bit either but I think personal bias does tend to creep in a fair bit with issues of such a high degree of subjectivity :)
Tbh i wouldnt agree with the last point. While i would agree that Locke wouldnt get very far in ASOIAF, i dont think Tyrion would do any better. He was able to talk himself out of many situations, but that was usually in some form due to his family name. Without it he would be just a smart dwarf against a smart but also physicaly capable and trained in combat thief who doesnt really need connections to figure something out. I wouldnt also call Tyrion a secondary character, when you consider that he has the most chapters in whole series, with 49 to Daenerys 31.
Couldn't agree more with this analysis, great video as usual. I am really looking forward to the next fight between Drizzt and Lan!
Video I am most looking forward to doing.
Tyrion would do better in Lockes world? Are you kidding me?
Locke would be like Littlefinger on steroids. Tyrion would be nothing without the lannister name
You, Sir or Ma'm, just made my day. May the crooked warden bless you, and the old gods and the new.
Tyrion's ability to succeed is based that hes a Lannister. When you put him in Locke's world, is he still a member of a very powerful noble family, cos otherwise he'll just be a common dwarf who wouldn't too well.
Conversely if you put Locke in the Game of Thrones world, he would rob the Lannister's blind.
@@mr.bombastic6835 exactly!
George has said many times that Tyrion is his favourite character, that's most likely why he's so well written.
Do a Wheel of Time video explaining skirt smoothing and braid tugging.
no, that is too much Nynaeve to bear
I just don’t think I could explain the nuanced metaphors and complex meaning behind all the braid pulls :/ we will need to leave that for future philosophers to discuss. /s
I remember when I first read GoT and I got to Tyrions chapter and I fell in love with his character he was hilarious when he slapped Jaime.
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Mollie Thomas oof mb yeah I got those names mixed up, thanks for correcting me.
The Lannisters send their regards.
at some point Locke would get sent to the wall
I don't really agree on some points tbh. Though Tyrion is my favourite character in ASOIAF, I just finished book 3 of the Gentlemen Bastards and have a developed a huge crush for Locke. That being set aside, here comes my question: origin? What does that mean? Parents, upbringing, social class? And as for Locke, his origins seem to be very unclear and mysterious. He is even described as someone or rather something "unique". Does that not count as origin? Tyrion on the other hand is more "normal" in that his origins can be reduced to biology alone. However this is far from me, and I think that his origin IS interesting because of the reasons you mentioned. I just don't think that Locke lacks intriguing qualities as far as origin is concerned, more so because we don't know his full (origin) story yet. But they sure both stick out like sore thumbs.
I'll agree with your views up until the last point. Tyrion wouldn't survive Camorr very well at all because the City is unforgiving. Perhaps if Tyrion was a Don he would be treated fair enough until his tounge caused him to lose his first duel (Camorri pride doesn't let one pick a champion for duels). As an underling his stature would bring too much attention to him. As a child he wouldn't have been able to survive the streets. The theifmaker wouldn't even buy him, he would be off to the whore houses in Jerem lol. Where as Locke in ASOIAF would thrive. There is a character in Martin's book that has a similar build, temperment, and mind. He thrives in convoluted chaos and has a knack for working his way up from nothing....that character is Littlefinger.
Are You comparing book Tyrion or tv series Tyrion? (im asking because I don't think that Tyrion is with Daenerys in the books, isn't he with the mercenaries?)
I think he is doing a hybrid.
Riakm that would suck for Tyrion because of how much more stupid and less witty he is in the show now
He is in Mareen, and he has met Dany by this time, but they haven't made it to Westeroes. The tv show is only one season a head of the books.
I agree, book Tyrion is best Tyrion.
I really need to refresh ASOIAF
3 years ago bookshelf ranking:
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First analysis I have wholeheartedly disagreed with except for the who would win in a fight. Still enjoying the series though
I think Locke would do better. He is cunning and smart. He doesn't just get dumb luck he spends time to get his plans together. Also his acting skills can get him far. As for tyrion he uses his last names to do things. Also it seems like everyone would most likely be against him. Lockers relationships are based on friendships and how they help him which they are greatly written.Also for the origin Locke is ment to be a bit more mysterious.
Daniel on Tyrian "i don't know of any other dwarf character in fantasy" ummmmmm ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT? :P >.
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I assume he means people who have have a medical condition, as opposed to a fantstical humanoid being.
I know it just amused me. :)
I had to look before stepping up on the same soapbox. I was expecting him to have a caption reading "You know what I mean," but he seems to be saying it straight.
Ah well, we all have moments like that.
To those of you saying that Tyrion wouldn't fare well in the Gentleman Bastards world because his Lannister name means nothing in that world, you have to consider Tyrion is one hell of a smooth-talker too. Just look at how he convinced Bronn and the mountain clans to join him in book 1. I would recommend watching Charisma on Command's Tyrion videos. He easily proves that point.
Did you even read lies of locke lamora? a dwarf in camorr. enough said.
Coooooool video
I hate to be that one guy I was a little upset with the results but I can’t refute your points. Maybe a little over origin but that’s it
Yeah man. Dwarves are super unique in fantasy : \
Should this not of been Locke Vs Moist, conman vs conman.
A Tyrion vs Locke Lomara video? um subscribe
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