SCOTUS Trainwreck Is Getting Worse | Peter Shamshiri | TMR
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Live-streamed on April 30, 2024
Peter Shamshiri, or Law Boy on Twitter, co-host of If Books Could Kill & the 5-4 Podcast, discusses the recent oral arguments at the Supreme Court.
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Peter Shamshiri then joins, first looking to Grants Pass v. Johnson, the SCOTUS case tackling an Oregon municipality’s criminalization of sleeping outdoors in an attempt to initiate police crackdowns on homelessness, discussing the precedent of Martin v. Boise - requiring adequate shelter beds for the unhoused population before the criminalization of “camping” - that this case is attempting to overturn, and framing it within the context of the 8th Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. After further contextualizing this case within the West Coast’s ongoing crusade against the houseless, and tackling how a Court desperate to undermine the 8th Amendment is likely to handle it, Shamshiri turns to Idaho and Moyle v. United States, and the Supreme Court’s impending decision on whether the US Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act requiring necessary care in life-threatening situations should override Idaho’s stringent abortion ban (it should). Next, Peter, Sam, and Emma parse through Starbucks v. McKinney, Starbucks’ challenge to the NLRB’s lower standards for court injunctions, allowing them to rush to prevent potential unfair labor practices while they assess the situation, and what the Supreme Court’s likely anti-labor decision will mean for the future of the NLRB, before wrapping up with a conversation on the “novel” case around Donald Trump’s presidential immunity, and what dwindling faith in the Supreme Court means for the American legal profession.
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I lost all respect for the legitimacy of the supreme court somewhere between 'corporations are people' and 'bribery is speech'.
not dred scott?💆🏿♂️
I'm not quite that old. Don't think they covered that one on CSPAN.
And they did say it was up to states to regulate women's pregnancies. Until that is, that Republicans ban all abortions, then they will say it is meant to be decided by the federal government. SCOTUS as it is today is ruled by scum political hacks, everything they do is to back up a current Republican position. Like they said here, only if Biden wins, will they decide that a president can in fact be held accountable if he breaks the law. If they did not do that, it would give Biden permission to put a hit on the conservative justices as a "threat to democracy" and allowable.
@@yesteryear Lol, Excellent rebuttal. I was gonna say giving GW the election but your comment is much better
"Corporations are people " happened back in 1886.
Rents and mortgage held captive by corporate greed. Persons are in absolute trouble. Courts are enjoying lobbying to look away
And they shouldn’t be the highest court in the land shouldn’t be so fucking corrupt.
They don't care what people think as long as their pockets get filled. Yes I am saying I think they are getting paid for many of their decisions.
Call for Govt by Citizen Initiated Referendum
No more Parties or Politicians, occupy the capitals and March every Oct 14
Openly corrupt hyper partisan scum bags. IMO the biggest threat to U.S. democracy and we can't even vote them out. They're like god kings, handing down edicts that wreck millions of lives from their untouchable palace.
@@Uncanny_Mountain hahahahaha the national guard would be on the streets that day
It's already incredibly well-documented.
@@yishnir and ignored
Who knew religious judges could ignore all the evidence in front of them.......
Yes. They have ‘FAITH’ ..in their self esteem / lifetime appointment / judgments 😤
Scrotus is a train wreck
very good word play 500 points lol
Roman Catholic Inquisition
7/9
Is pretty high, at least five are Opus Dei, some are rapists, open Nazis
So is 33% of the Senate, for 22% of the population
Yeah and it's thanks to RBG and progressives.
@@Freerider93you can hold them to account but they are not responsible for this bullshit
@@justinspencer983 They are directly responsible. RBG should have taken her butt off the court when Obama had the votes to replace her. Progressives also allowed Trump in office by refusing to vote for Hillary. THIS is what they gave us and they are about to do it again.
Quote of the week[end]:
“Alito… well I try not to parse his logic too much, because his brain is truly melting before our eyes…”😂😂👍🏼
How is confiscating someone's tent - their only shelter, however inadequate - which they are extremely unlikely to be able to replace, NOT cruel even if it has become usual? 🤬
Scallia argued that the state putting innocent people to death was not cruel or unusual. Again. No morals.
Because they aren't people
@jb-vb8un apart from the fact that on a death penalty case that Scalia argued that the state murdering an innocent person is not cruel and unusual? Our of curiosity, if the state murders someone the state knows to be innocent and that is fine under the 8th, what exactly isn't? Fast forward bow and you have 3 justices to the right of Scalia and 2 who are right about where he is. Maybe you don't know what an example is?us? Or what facts are you looking for?
This court heard arguments that a president is absolutely immune from all crimes associated with presidential duties including calling for assassinations, an abortion case where women's organs are fine to remove to save a fetus, and a case that will gut all federal regulatory agencies. Homeless people being beaten by police is not even that bad compared to women having no bodily autonomy while "the life of the mother" is hotly contested.
@@jb-vb8un "This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is “actually” innocent." - Scalia.
@jb-vb8un this is a well known position. Alito's entire reason why he was against gay marriage was because gay sex was icky. He even managed to squeeze how preventing a status (marriage) did not prevent access to status benefits (the 1000's of federal benefits). So yea. I guess none?
Why aren't they holding the individual city governments accountable for not providing adequate shelter?
They are republicunts
Or Congress for catering to their donors over the populace and letting the wealth gap get so wide that homelessness is more likely to happen
Wages vs rent - doesn't cut it.. tax the rich
Ha ha…concerning Alito- “don’t dig too deep, you’ll go crazy, he’s just a dick…”. Sums up conservative justices…
"I'll tell you why you going to sleep on the beach won't be prosecuted. Cause you're a Supreme Court Justice and the laws don't apply to you. Would you care to partake of some of this bald eagle casserole? It's delicious!"
Treating the homeless as open-air prisoners. ... treating the least among us the way Jesus would.
Least and wouldn't, not last and would.
@@margotpreston thanks
Like the bumper sticker says - Who would Jesus bomb ?
Jesus is window dressing for Christians.
The GOP have chosen!!
BARABBAS! WINS IN A LANDSLIDE!
You can afford to incarcerate but not to house..... 🤔
I like Peter and 5-4. The Supreme Court in this era is a politicking force despite their idealistic mission. Thanks for a great discussion on these cases
EXiStiNG iN AMeRiCa
IS NoT a CRiMe
I just started listening to If Books Could Kill... it's great so far!
When Sam is talking about bush v gore, Peter is constantly thinking, “I was 16” and Emma is thinking “I was 6”
And I was 50.
Somehow missed this live but always love this crossover.
Random salute to the Majority Report. Great channel
Much respect Peter.
Yay for Peter!
Can you imagine the US developing slums like India or Kenya. Jam a bunch of people into an area with inadequate food, water, sanitation and pretend they don't exist... Houseless epidemic is such strong proof of capitalism's failure.
Why doesn't the useless , lawless court make some rulings on providing affordable housing ?
I get the sentiment, but that's not the function of the courts. It's the function of legislators, with follow-through by local governments.
Because they are rich and serve the rich. They are hostile to poor and homeless.
Because that wouldn't benefit the owner class in the short term.
@@Haldurson it's not the courts function to take my bodily autonomy or supercede my OBGYN if my pregnancy goes sideways either. And yet , here we are .
Mostly neo-liberal or republicunts
The horrific part of this story is how insulated from repremands they are. They govern themselves, which strectches the honesty of their being. As we end up at their mercy with no defense. Chillingly inappropriate.
Hey, you guys.
I just wanted to pass along my condolences from Canada about how your country is going. Don't forget to vote!
LMAO I'm an American living in Canada, and it's honestly strange this comment seems to imply Canada is doing significantly better than the states. I just paid 3 CAD for an onion because corporatism is rampant and monopolies control all basic needs here. Poiliever has a real chance of winning and he's as much a fascist as Trump is. Healthcare here has already started to become privatized, and soon you'll have the American system. I could go on and on. What you mean is that you can commiserate with Americans, not that you are offering condolences.
even if there were shelter beds available for them, does anyone realize how much shit goes on in shelters? why do you think people don't want to live in shelters? 😄🙃
They think it's because of the no drugs policy
Do you know what goes down in the streets? I'm sorry, the streets are way worse. If you don't know that, then you just don't know. I do know and a shelter run by Catholic charities is a dream compared to a sidewalk in the Tenderloin. Get real dude.
@@PeacefulPariah then why do so many people choose the streets? According to market economic theory you're full of nonsense.
@@PeacefulPariah Many people without homes find a supportive community on the streets that they can’t find with people like you around. Plenty of people survive the streets and don’t trust a “free” meal from experience.
Where are you supposed to go when there is no where to go ?
Shelters aren't always peaceful and safe places so some people will always choose to avoid them at all costs. Everyone needs to sleep somewhere, you'd think they wouldn't make it a crime.
Left is best.
Prove it-!!! 😮
@@PauloAdriano-zo2ngBlue States literally prop up and subsidize red States. Without our tax base, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee would be unable to function. This isn't my opinion, this is shit.u can verify through government statistics. Not liberal administration statistics but government statistics that are released every single year. Take a gander and you will notice that the 10 poorest states in our country are all red States aside from New Mexico. In the past 30 years, The Republican presidential nominee has only won the popular vote one time.
Isn't Clarence Thomas an under the night sky camping type of guy?
Does it really count if you use a $200,000 camper?
@@rebeccarittenhouse2203 These lazy people could too, if they would just get a job at Arby's for $10 an hour.
Nah, he prefers camping in shopping center car parks in his very expensive rv that was gifted to him.
@@beantacos1843
Nah, at least for $27 per hour. Making tasty sandwiches requires major skills. 😉😋
Such as: Good hand to eye coordination, chopping skill, dicing skills, slicing skills, mincing skills, the ability to season, and a healthy knowledge of breads, meats, cheeses, veggies, condiments, etc...
@@rebeccarittenhouse2203
Some of the nicer models sell for up to $1.5 million.
I went to California on vacation for a few weeks. I didn't get a hotel room a couple of the nights and figured that I would just sleep in my car 3 nights. I had to be wicked tricky about it. There were signs everywhere that said you couldn't do it. I looked for places that allowed it and couldn't really find anything. I ended up 3 nights just pulling into a parking space down dark streets and then jumping into the back of the car.
Biden needs to get re-elected to at the very least ensure that should something happen to Thomas and/or Alito he can replace them with Liberal Justices rather than have Trump replace them with Conservative 1s.
Imagine backing a Genocider
Like vote Hitler Pogues at the DNC
PRO PEACE 🕊️
PARTY FOR PEACE ✌️
Focus on the solution SIR: *Govt by Referenda 70/30 split.* By Mascot Party or *Velvet Revolution*
Single Issue Referendums with thresholds and a social contract means Communities can vote their own laws.
A Public Authority can audit police and prosecute bad cops in our own courts.
Nationalise resources and give Indigenous peoples the right of Sovereignty over them as Guardians.
This can be achieved through a General Strike or Velvet Revolution, much like the Occupy movement, peacefully occupying State Buildings until a People's Mandate can be implemented.
With the appropriate checks and balances, you could have a national digital forum where qualified professionals can debate the issues in a public setting without all the disinformation and bad faith antics, hatespeech etc.
Any vote would need to pass the 70% threshold, with a veto or _rewrite_ vote needing 30%.
The issues would be debated, the public educated, and then a vote taken. Votes that fail will have to wait a year before trying again. Any new proposal (Citizen Initiated Referendum) would have to reach a threshold of support before it made it onto the register. This would be subject to a Social Contract (New Constitution) that forbids human rights abuses and discrimination.
That can be written in the same manner based on the core principles we all share. Councils and Boards could operate in the same fashion at Scale.
It works in a way that obligates people to better educate themselves ( that is to use logic and evidence in their reasoning ) for a better understanding of the issues, and then take collective responsibility for the outcomes. As opposed to the divisive US v them scapegoating and bi-partisan finger pointing the current Capitalist Pyramid Scheme runs on.
We need Government by People's Referenda, either through Mascot Candidates or Peaceful Occupation of the Capitals until one is established.
Make it an annual March on Oct 14.
Take back the Temples under a single white flag! 🏳️
He will replace them with fascists as he did with earlier picks.
He'll kowtow to McConnell (or some other Republican leader) just like Obama did
Jackson and Sotomayor are pretty decent.
Thats sad that you still think Biden is a democrat.
Cause is soooo much cheaper to imprison people then to give them housing... Pfff wt...
It's simple:
Democratic Socialism solves societal problems.
Conservatism creates societal problems.
And here we are...dystopia.
I love Finland's "Housing First" policy.
There should be a federal law where cities with a cerain number or percentage of empty or unoccupied homes require they be sold at a certain price thats affordable.
Why don't we hear from more doctors on state abortion issues? The only time they are referenced is concerning their legal liability.
The for-profit media works for the two parties, billionaires, and corporations... they don't bring on people who will 'embarrass' any of those...
Many doctors do speak out, but there is also a huge risk to doctors who do. Doctors have been harassed or even killed for stating they are actively pro-choice.
Can we just continue calling homeless encampments "Hoovervilles"? It sadly may as well be an official designation in the United States.
You might want to look up what happened to the Bonus Army before you start calling for a return to Hoovervilles
@@VoteBidentoSaveDemocracy I'm not calling for a "return" to Hoovervilles, I'm saying that the word may as well be a US designation for an impromptu housing situation created by the dispossessed with no help from the government.
@@noheroespublishing1907I do love how people don’t recognize the mirrored history. But the language has gotten better at making it an individual issue. It’s might be an increasing social reality but truly they can find some reason that people who are homeless are the root of their problem.
@@noheroespublishing1907 I was just saying learn the history. There's a lot more context that you left out.
The person living nextdoor to you could be homeless and you wouldn't even know it! .... Got any change? Change?
Wait if the President cant be held liable doesnt that mean that the govt. Assumes the lianility from the act? (Or is the crime just nullifies which feels like a bug)
We have homeless because Congress does not do its job. They let foreign corporations come in and buy up our land, destroy neighborhoods and cause homelessness, also these corporations own our health care system and because of their greed are forcing people into debt and bankruptcy and into the streets. Also many older people of low income are living in vans and go to areas where it is warm. We have tent cities, it some cases , the people in them try to protect each other, some go to work from there. You also have the people with anxiety issues , individuals who can’t get their meds and get worse and just lay in the street.
That the court is politically slanted in their job is disappointing. Job 1 for a Biden 2nd has to be adding 4 Justices.
If you can’t afford a house, how can you maintain a house???
Why is it incumbent only on the public to provide sleeping space. Why is it not also impermissible to enforce trespass on someone sleeping on private property when there is not sufficient private accommodation at a reasonable price?
I just wasnt good enough when it came down to it
8:12 riiiight, come to think of it, I've heard of a lot of cases of starving people stealing food, not sure ive _ever_ heard of one successfully defend themselves this way 🤔
Difference is you can't steal land by pitching tent on it
Unless you have the full throated support of the us war machine@@thewhitefalcon8539
Do you people really think the solution to this homeless situation is so easy?
Free Palestine.
Send the homeless to Kristi Noem for her to give them the "Cricket" treatment. Perhaps that is the way the conservative judges are leaning.
Oh my god i took way too long to realize this is peter from if books coukd kill. he does have a face after all
Cant they just transfer these tents to a designated area? One could build cheap dorms thats movable.
Housing. Is. A. Human. Right.
For a 6 to 3 advantage the right has been splitting the decisions up quite fairly balanced. Does anybody on this show give a damn about anything that doesn't stink of some political punditry. Maybe this court might actually consider the actual charges that have been so flippantly levied against Trump in such a timely and ad hoc fashion. Imagine that. Perhaps the shallowness of these myriad charges may finally be brought to account by a higher authority than any state D.a.
🎉
That is a lovely scarf lawboy has where can I get one?
It's a Palestinian Keffiyah (or Kufiya)
@@Erschophone It is lovely. I just ordered a bunch for my friends and family. Guess what everyone is getting for Chanukah?
@@JakobVirgil
It's also an excellent Christmas gift to give the Evangelicals. They will cherish it forever. 😅
@@JakobVirgil Good job !✊
Why is there a Turning Point ad under every single progressive video I see? Them or Epoch. It’s ridiculous.
I hate Fox boomers so much.
Since the case is so important and could shape the future of democracy, can't you guys just postpone the election until the case is through?
trump wants to make homelessness illegal, so what happens to people that are evicted?
36:00 I wasn’t here in the country when Obama was president. There was hope. Unfortunately, there is an incredible sense of buyers remorse. I still think, what could have been.
Obama lied. That's it. He campaigned on change. He didn't change a thing. I'm surprised he won a second term.
From a totalitarian view, scotus is a trainwreck
From a totalitarian view, SCOTUS is doing quite well
NEVER DEMENTIA BIDEN
If I were Dementia, I'd avoid Biden too. 🤪
When does Life begin
According to your so called 'holy book,' when the first breaths are taken.
About 4 billion years ago.
About 4 billion years ago
I feel like my life began the first time I ever saw a pair of titties in person.
common socialist L. the daliban strikes again. dgg for life
Soooo...yall gonna elect Trump again and make it worse?
@@arsmor1end1 The progressives who elected Trump the first time silly!
@@Freerider93 You mean the democrats who failed to engage with the progressives, and thereby handed over victory to trump?
@@arsmor1end1 I know where I am. I've been watching since Michael Brooks. The problem is the "true left" is easily manipulated by the "true right" and you have "leveraged" yourself into a trick bag. Progressives have been used as "useful idiots" to unwitting usher in the age of autocracy...sometimes I wonder if RBG realized this....
Love how during the abortion discussion Sam said woman and then caught himself and realized that wasn't the appropriate lefty woke term to use and changed it to pregnant person. I couldn't help but laugh.
Didn't notice bc I and most on the Left are not obsessed with this sh!t. I'm glad that Sam was respectful, but whatever. What people on the Right don't understand is that we never signed up to be the official trans people, but we support equal rights for all and we oppose people that try to violate those rights. That is why we stand up for Trans rights, and gay rights, and minority rights.
Just my two cents y'all as a stakeholder I don't think you have to say "pregnant person" every time; it's okay and indeed important to center women in the conversation, just without excluding anyone else. In the context of discussing a law or the text of a law etc it is absolutely important to use egalitarian language sometimes.
If they’re camping why can’t they just go camp in the woods?
It is still considered private property .
What woods?
@@thewhitefalcon8539 The famous LA and San Francisco woods ya know?
@@sebastianlavallee706 exactly! 🫵🏻😉
@@sebastianlavallee706actually, there are quite a few wooded areas around San Francisco and Oakland. And of course, Marin is all Forest.
Sam sedar for gays
To be Gay just means you're happy and joyous. Sam could probably support that cause. 😅
Is this supposed to be an insult? For real? Who still hates gays in the year? 2024? That is so pathetic. Are you just a big loser or something? Or are you just a closeted gay guy?
Why do you use that bullshit term ‘unhoused’. I’m sick of this woke crap, it’s homeless, not unhoused
Who cares? Seriously, I don't use that word either, but who really gives a shit? Does it really offend you? Does it alter your life at all? Go with the flow dude. Take a chill pill. Touch grass.
i noticed some people seeing a saudi flag and calling it hamas thank god i goolge everything
It's a Wahabbi flag, and Hamas was founded by a Saudi Agent, it was a proxy for Palestine after all. Clearly Palestinians are built different, and managed to make the movement their own
Other Wahabbis include the Saudi Royals, Pakistani govt, Taliban, Isis, Epstein, Boko Haram, Al Queda, Bin Ladens, Sisi, Erdogan, UAE, and the Jordan King
..... It was founded in 1666 by Sabbatai Zevi, the Jewish Messiah of 1666 who "converted" to "Islam"
Greatest SCOTUS EVER
So I take it you're fairly well-versed in past supreme courts? Pardon me, of course you are. Or else you would not have made such a definitive statement. What did you consider to be the greatest supreme Court prior to this one? I am excited to hear your answer.
Peter SHAM shiri says it all. Nice scarf lgbtQ member
Let's go Dunning-Kruger!
@@arsmor1end1 what can't you understand?
@@moosenut1337So are you dissing on his scarf and insinuating that he's gay? What exactly did he say that ticked you off? This was a pretty uncontroversial segment. I'm super confused. So you want the president to have immunity? You realize that means every president, not just Trump, right? Do you hate the homeless or something? What a weird reaction to a fairly mundane video. You need to get a grip dude.
@@PeacefulPariah !!!