Sensory Percussion In-depth Review
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2020
- Sensory Percussion is the most unique drum trigger systems I've ever tested on the channel. It's it can literally do anything you can imagine when it comes to triggering a drum. But that doesn't mean Sensory Percussion is for everyone. Today I'm breaking down the good, the bad, and who this might be for.
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Features:
10 Zones on Snare/Toms (kick has a few less.. Because it’s a kick)
Assign Or Layer as many sounds as you want on each zone
You can decide which layer is played with ALL the modes they give you like cycle, random, stack, and more
Speed controllers, you can make the sound change depending on how fast you play. For example the fast you play the higher the pitch of the sound, or the faster you play the more distortion you hear.
LFO controls
You can adjust the trigger curve for each one of the zones on the drum, not just the whole thing. You can also make it so that sounds don't activate until you hit them a certain amount of force
You can tune the sounds to different octaves
You can reverse the sounds
Blending Between zones is really fun, and makes playing this more immersive. Especially with electronic sounds. Or you can choke the previous sound when you hit a new zone, it’s up to you.
There’s a bunch of effects you can drag onto each zone to mold the sound
You can do things like pitch the sound up and down by how hard you play
You can change kits by hitting a certain zone, you don’t even have to touch the computer or hit a foot switch
Lots of built in sounds, plus more you can download for free, and you can import your own
MIDI In and Out
Stand-alone, or plug-in mode stand-alone program stand alone or plug-in mode
Whats it like to use?
Set up is longer than most trigger systems it takes time to learn how to use this thing.
At first you'll sound like a crazy person hitting a keyboard with drumsticks. The people that can create entire songs with this system are very good at what they do and they make it look easy. But there's a lot of work involved. I'm continually impressed at how powerful the system is, just when you think you got it figured out it turns out there is another rabbit hole that you can go down and a whole new set of features.
Pros:
10 Zones Per Drums
Software Has Many Sounds And Effects
Sound Layering
Sound Blending
Trigger Is One Design That Fits On Kick/Snare/Toms
Works On Mylar Or Mesh
Works On Mac And PC
No Proprietary Drum Module, Works With Any Audio Interface
Midi In and Out
Cons:
Expensive: $450/$779-$1000/$1600. This hurts especially because this is just an add-on device.
You Need A Computer
You Have To Train Each Trigger
Complex (time investment is needed to get the most out of this system)
If The Drum head Goes Out Of Tune The Zones Are Messed Up
The Metal Dot Didn’t Stick Well To Drumtec Real Feel Mesh (although it worked fine on everything else)
it could be overpowered for what you actually need
More Traditional Trigger/Module Systems Are better for Very Fast Soft Playing
Bottom line:
For some drummers, this system will be overkill. If all you need is a sound or two per drum, there are similar and cheaper ways to do it. BUT if you love to explore new and unique sounds, and love experimentation, there is literally no other system like this. Sensory Percussion only gets more interesting the longer you try it.
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Intro track sounds like oh hold music when you call Verizon or a doctors office 😆
Love Mason Self. I like these in a hybrid setup better than in a pure electronic environment.
15:04 _with just a handful of drums_
...and about $5000 worth of synthesizer gear holding the multi-colored spaghetti in place. 😁
What a great honest, and realistic review thank you!
I was wondering if you would get around to this one. I've learned more from your review then I have from their UA-cam channel, so thanks very much!
This reminds me a lot of the Korg Wave Drum. Thanks for the review!
Great breakdown, as usual! I've loved the idea of it since it came out and think it's amazing they've got it to this point with their tech but, even for someone who loves tweaking, I struggle to imagine getting it any time soon. The levels of articulation are amazing though, and the scope of what it could do with both traditional drum sounds and non-traditional ones is practically unlimited. If there was a way to run it without a laptop with its own solution, that'd be interesting - though I can see why it's not possible or even close to affordable to do something like that at this point. You kind of need the availability of a full computer's power to make use of it. Definitely something I'll be keeping an eye on.
Great review, man. Side note, noticed you’re have affinity designer on your pc. Great choice, so much easier and more initiative than illustrator.
Justin I'm 65 years old after seeing this video I wouldn't buy this even though it looks and sounds good I have no time for this my thing is to set up my kit and play besides it very expensive!
Hi, I would like to see an acoustic drum set program with multiple layers, round robin samples and position sensing. That would be a perfect application for that. Do you know if they have or 3rd parties?
Hey Justin, I've been using ddrum redshot triggers for a few years now but keep having them crap out on me. Im not trying to break the bank but Im looking for a better quality trigger for a little bit higher price. Any suggestions?
I have a serious question to ask you .
I have a decent acoustic kit which I am using for gigs and playing from last 5 years. I am in an year old metal band and its the time we are going to release few songs by the band. Its just too much time consuming to program realistic drumming for a whole album and I just want to play it and record it . Do u suggest I should buy an electronic kit to record it or get a couple of condenser mics and try to record from my acoustic kit. Which is less time consuming coz this is my side proffesion. Looking forward to a helpful respond. Thankyou so much. Tc
Hi Justin, would it be still worth it to buy a 1 year old used TD-11 KV for about 700 dollars? In India, a new one (out of stock now) was retailing at around 1650 dollars. And a new TD-17KV currently retails at 1735 dollars. I need it mainly for practice and to trigger VST for recording.
Very interesting kit and great analysis. I can't see me using this currently, but will keep it mind for who knows what in the future. Although, for me I'd probably get a Trap Kat where the zones are more defined rather than learned. But, very interesting. The monkey banging a keyboard with a stick was a great simile! Yeah it didn't sound like what I was watching. Kind of a strange disconnect, but that's just my perception problem. That said, I imagine the audience would have a similar issue. Although the same is true with electric drums in general. Audience sees you hit a cymbal they don't necessarily expect to hear a dog woof or glass break sound.
Have you done an episode of all the beaterless bass drum triggers?
Although it's expensive and complex, it's also a really power system. It's not for everybody though
in regard to the sensitivity and positional sensing it's better? do u have any ideia how the f they can track the position?
One person I think would be interesting in front of that "drum" is Terry Bozzio. Considering how many instruments he carries around, with a device like that, his rig would sound exponentially larger.
I really like your videos, the editing, how you explain everything, it is very informative and interesting and it shows that you put in a lot of work into all of that.
What I also noticed is, that every time you show a demo of you playing, you have inconsistent timing. I don't know if you are aware of that or not and I don't mean to be condescending, bevause I am also not a perfect drum machine :D just what I mean by that is, that your spaces between your notes differentiate a lot. If you are interested in improving that, you can exercise Rudiments with George Stones book and play simple drum grooves with a metronome set to the half notes or 16th notes and play very slowly.
This would make a great jump in quality for your videos as well!
I hope I didn't offend you, thank you for your videos!
Video on how to use this as a midi trigger for Superior Drummer/Drum vsts??
Can you review the new version of this? (The Evans Hybrid Sensory Percussion Sound System). It seems as though I should be able to have 10 digital zones on the snare and connect it to something like superior drummer to have an ultra responsive snare drum which should be even better than the Roland digital snare which has 8 triggers inside it. So if one wanted to use it just for ultra realistic acoustic electric drum triggering they should be able to do that with this it seems. Or use it for all the funky sounds etc. I’d really love for you to dig into that with the new system!! Thank you!
Grind to 70k
I’ve had this setup since the beginning of COVID and it turned me into a believer in electronic and hybrid drumming.
SunHouse just released their V2 edition of this whole setup and it ships next month. Comes with its own interface now with up to 7 triggers instead of 4, and the new version uses 3.5 mm jacks instead of XLR. It seems like they’ve fixed all my personal complaints from having these a couple years (plus V1 owners got a sweet discount on the upgrade). I’d love to see a new in-depth review on the upgrade! These things get insanely powerful when you use the plug-in to control VSTs in Ableton and use controllers to modulate effects
There’s a STEEP learning curve but Mason Self has a whole series of incredible tutorials and templates on his UA-cam that took me from having no clue what I was doing to being able to teach a couple friends how it works
Can I connect this trigger to a drum module???
I use SP Triggers / Metaldots with drum-tec design series meshheads, works fine...
Dude... I hereby prohibit you from using the Tama pad as a shelf ever again!!! lol
The level of articulation though......If they could make the triggers internal and add a vst library it would be next level
Well, he did sort of show you can put them into a drumhead and they do have Aquarian inHead, or the hybrid heads on the alternate mode Website. I don't disagree with you that they should create a module with a VST sample library.
So do these work on regular run of the mill acoustic drum heads? I am interested in getting the sensors to incorporate into my acoustic setup, but not if that means I have to sacrifice my acoustic heads for electronic heads
Yes, they work with acoustic drum heads as well as mesh heads.
You can also get Aquarian inHead, or Alternate Mode Hybridhead drum heads if you want to hear the real acoustic sounds from your drumset and send electronic sounds to the PC or front of house.
Hi, it isn’t about the video but I wanna get your opinion. Which one should I buy Yamaha DTX402K or Alesis Turbo Mesh Kit? Thanks.
I'd get a used roland drumset from Facebook marketplace honestly. I don't like either of those two kits
65 Drums Oh, thanks. Can you recommend a drum about 400-500$. I am beginner and wanna use it for like 2-3 years. What is your favourite in overall? Thanks again.
When I saw this, I immediately thought of Neil Peart. I think he would have loved to add this to his palette of sounds. RIP Neil
Wayyyy too much for me personally. Much better idea for me is to just get a multi pad. Nice review!
Looks really cool but I know I would be to stupid to figure it out.
I want to learn but when they start getting technical Im lost. Just like when I watch videos about math thinking Im going to understand😂
Very interesting. I'd love to see someone take this and throw it on the snare. Setup the trigger zones especially for superior drummer with all the velocity/voicings/nuances and see if you can get a real snare feel/reaction out of a trigger. I can get a DDRUM trigger to get 85%-90% there but never get it that last 10%. I would pay $550 for that. I've used a lot of triggers/electronic kits over the years and you can NEVER get the snare to react perfectly to press rolls etc so I'm interested to see how this could handle that. To even get normal triggers CLOSE you have to sit for hours dialing in the settings/velocities/crosstalk/etc. So spending hours dialing this in is not out of the realm of what you normally have to do. This is definitely geared toward a next level musician/drummer/one man band. Very interesting.
FSR tech doesn't use Piezo's (sensitive microphones), it is two, or three layers of plastic like a regular drum head that has printed metal infused ink that is conductive and the layers have to hit each other physically to send a signal. No sound vibration will cause them to send a false signal and this is why you can get a super sensitive roll like he demonstrated in the video.
What I'm wondering is about the latency performance with this. I bet it's way more than roland. The software is doing a fourier transform to be able to do this. Basically it converts the sensor signal into frequencies. I'm not sure how fast they can do this. Roland needs about 2ms to scan for peaks (scan time), then the additional processing is pretty fast and then the delay of converting a digital signal to a sound. This is about 3-3,5ms in total. I believe this technology needs more time. I could be wrong, someone with more theory knowledge should chime in.
Yeah it for sure has a bit more latency. But for the types of experimental music people that use this for, it's not a problem. This latency would be too much if this was for metal drummers or something
Latency comes down to your audio interface and how low a buffer your computer can handle
@@christopherpederson1021 No it doesn't. You have 3ms of latency from a roland module before the MIDI signal comes into the PC. An alesis module needs much more, maybe 6ms at least. Then you have audio interface latency on top of that which CAN be as low as 1ms depending on how good your audio interface is for latency (most will be above 2-3ms though). This technology that he is testing will have at least 10-15ms of latency for the processing and that is without the audio interface latency. I'm a software programmer who works on software for electronic drums BTW :)
@@sabahoudinithe version 2.0 has been released . Do you think the latency has been improved? Now they have their own audio interface , which they call "the portal"...
I want to know how much latency does this add.
@@BeatMachinery I don't have one so no clue but I bet you can find it in their documentation.
I just Want to know about this product, why don't use this tecnology as a accurate trigger, to use with drum library, or sell as that?, in the market everyone release the same tecnology and they fight for who is the best. I don't understand Why put ridiculous sounds in the software.
Nice.
Good to know that it exists... but not for me.
Stay safe jbomb
oh boy, it's more expensive than the mandala pads, and it has fewer zones. really regret not getting one when they were still making them.
How many zones do you need? 10 isnt enough?🤣
@@christopherpederson1021 the idea is that instead of acting like discrete areas, you treat position as a continuous CC value. im more interested in e-drums for wholy synthetic sounds rather than emulations of acoustic drums, so being able to map position 1-1 with a synth parameter like a comb filter's frequency is more useful than having 10 little areas like an invisible handsonic
So many electronic drum choices these days, but all I want is a Mandala pad (or 3)! Are there no plans to make them again? I’ve been on the waiting list for years... hahaha.
Danny Carey would have a field day with these
yes he would
Seems like an expensive way to get a Mandala pad with way less playable zones.
I am on that Mandala waiting list for like... what? 10 years now? smh...
I can't see myself using this.
Ok cool vid as ush..... but u spelt CONTROLER wrong everywhere
*CONTROLLER
I spent weeks making this video, and your main takeaway is one misspelled word. Ok
Nope not my main takeaway just my only critique which should be a compliment to u. Sorry didn’t mean to upset u.😉. U are the most amazing UA-camr ever
1st lol
nah, just get a multi pad... form alesis, roland or yamaha