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Harley Benton MR Modern - It certainly looks the part!
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2022
- In today's video we check out the new Harley Benton MR Modern! We do the normal bench observations such as weighing the instrument, going over the specifications, measuring the neck thickness, and seeing how good the quality control is. For the sound demo today I used the Neural DSP Soldano plug in. If you find this helpful and ever order something from Thomann it would really help me out a lot if you used my affiliate link that's right below this.
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I don't typically like these style of guitars, but at a Harley Benton price point I would be interested. It does have a certain charm to it. I hope HB keeps putting out these new designs faster and faster because I really like where this company is going.
agree. i am far more tempted to buy this harley benton as i would i.e. compared to yet another strat copy. this seems to be a fun and 'different' guitar to have kicking around
I do too Andrew, it's nice to see them making stuff other than Fender and Gibson style instruments.
@@santrixhimself3679
When Thomann started the Harley B. guitar line some years ago they made some pretty unic guitar designs wich were not just straight copies.
It changed over the years when every big music dealer startet to offer cheap knock offs of the main brands cause this was what the "Newbie's" wanted.
Btw. I live about 40 minutes from Thomann.
Thanks for mainly keeping the sound clean, for the reasons you gave.
Here’s hoping HB starts selling those kluson-style locking tuners as a separate part. I think they’d be a nice upgrade to the P90’d SC-450 that I’m thinking of ordering lol
I agree, it'd be nice and I'm sure they would be priced pretty reasonably!
I have this model guitar. I actually really love the sound of the pickups. In my opinion they have the highs of single coils but with fuller mids and lows. My control pots work perfectly. The only negative for me personally is the weight. Mine is also over 8 lbs. That my not be an issue for many of you but for me I prefer a guitar to be closer to 7 lbs ideally.
I also didn't end up loving the weight especially on this guitar because of the actual body size of it - it really isn't a very comfortable guitar to play in that sense to me as I always prefer lighter guitar s
I'll be honest and say I'm not enamoured with the typical styling of the guitar but I liked the sounds. I continue to appreciate you checking out Harley Benton guitars - the best affordable guitars for us in the UK. Enjoyed your playing as always. Would love to hear more of your surfy style too! 😊
I love your playing man, it's so inspired!
The (8:13) part in particular i can listen on repeat all day!
It's so refreshing to hear someone actually play and focus on the music instead of noodling the same 5 pentatonic licks.
Man I really appreciate this comment, and I try to actually take the focus away from myself on these demos and try to just show how the guitar sounds in as non boring of a way as possible. Thank you for such a nice compliment
I subscribed as soon as you put the guitar on the scale. Thanks for weighing the guitar as it's one of the more important specs for me when making an online purchase.
Thanks Scott and it's something that has always been a priority to me as well so I wanted to include it, glad it was useful for you too
Mine was 8lbs8oz they are pretty consistent (little heavy)for some folks
Nice looking guitar and loved the sound too, perfect punk rock guitar !
You nailed it, that's pretty much my exact thoughts on it. It's made for gain
Love the look of this guitar. The pickups sounded livelier split.
Yeah I feel the split is the way to go with these pickups unless you throw heavy gain at it.
I agree. The coil splitting actually sounded pretty good.
Maybe lowering them makes them more appealing? It does a lot to the sound.
I feel like there's gonna be a very specific audience for this and they are gonna love it.
Yep, thats my thoughts as well and im happy harley henton are doing more of this instead of very common models
Probably Ramones or Nirvana fans
It's me, I'm that audience
@@misada7744 yeah or any fans of the ventures or 60s surf, or maybe old school country fans
@@bigmuffmelvin7388 As an owner of 2 Mosrites, this sounds nothing like a Mosrite. It's more Fendery. I'm not saying it's "bad," but don't expect Mosrite tone out of it *if* you want that; it'll never do that this way, it doesn't have the right scale length (few copy the original 24.50" scale,) and it has no neck angle.
Beautiful guitar from HB. I have the real deal in cherry red. Only thing that bums me out is that they didn't copy the zero fret pioneered by Semie Mosley. THAT is what made the Mostrites so ridiculously easy to play with a literal credit card string to deck height. My Dad just received a sunburst modern today. Can't wait to see it.
The zero fret is indeed the biggest difference, I played one last week and it was an extremely fun playing experience
Love the neck pickup. Thank you for this cool review.
Happy you enjoyed it!
Great demo, thanks 🙏🏻
Glad you liked it!
Mine should be here Monday. sunburst. Your demo is perfect for me. No regrets, just enthusiasm.
I grew up listening and playing Nokie Edwards stuff in the early '60's. always wanted one but couldn't spring the big bucks.
This design is really good and should quell my itch. Maybe I'll grab some Mosrite pickups. The originals were not P90's. They were grossly overwound, taller bobbin, alnico Semi Mosley designed creatures.
I think a couple companies make them today. I'll use the Thomann ones (Artec) for a good while, and am glad to see they designed this for what should be a drop in for P-90 style.
Thanks again and play some more of this thing!😁
I have been playing it a bit! It reminds me so much of my Jazzmaster strangely enough between the weight slightly bigger body and scale length. Its a fun guitar and im sure youll love yours
@@AudiomoMusic Thank you! I'll give it the once over: set up, fret polish and level, roll the edges, polish fret ends, file the nut all over. We'll see. Thank sgain for you 're work!
I hadn't realised this had humbuckers, so was expecting something more jangly. It all sounded really usable, very decent for that price. That angled front pickup just makes my eyebrow twitch though, my OCD can't handle it.
Hahaha I was very taken aback by the p90 sized humbucker. It's not something I see everyday and yeah, it is strange seeing it angled but on this model it doesn't bother me since the originals from the 60's had the same thing
I ordered a black classic. Had some exceptional guitars from HB with no flaws at all. But there’s only 2 reviews online and they’re all showing cosmetic issues. I have a bad feeling they’ve dropped their QC standards and have rushed these out.
I had the same 'customs problem' outer (large box) had been opened,the copper staples where removed,all the packing material was missing,,and the box was delivered un-sealed,not even taped up ?.....it's a miracle it didn't fall out of the box when DHL couriers delivered it....
I just had the same thing happen again today. The people at customs truly do not give a damn.
@@AudiomoMusic Oh no...... guess what, I'm actually waiting for another guitar delivery from Thomman, it's an MR Modern...very worrying. 😱
Harley Benton really is trying to up their game. I own 3 of their of guitars so far, and my favorite is my SC Custom Lite II. I didn't have to change a single thing, the stock pickups even sound amazing. I really like this baritone, especially that they kept to using a graphtech nut, but that body outline/indentation is just a bit overkill for me. The pickups don't sound terrible but I would likely replace at least the bridge one out. Great review and breakdown thanks for sharing! Subbed!
I really like what they do Christopher, they are able to provide a much better quality of product for the prices they do because they refuse to use middlemen and barely do marketing outside of their own social media. It's the way companies SHOULD be approaching things in the modern age, helps the players and helps them keep more of the money without price gouging their stuff.
Your rhythm playing is stellar!
You're too kind Hugh as always
Great playing as always!
Thank you. An honest and helpfull review.
Glad it was helpful!
Good episode. I, like yourself have never owned or played a Mosrite guitar but have wanted one for a long time. I may pull the trigger on one of the knock-offs some day. The only thing that stops me from buying one of those are the pickups. I would want a replica Mosrite pickup.
I would have been fine with just traditional p90s even if they weren't the same as the originals.. these pickups are very strange and I'm not entirely sure they fit the guitar for the market that would be interested in buying one... so you have to consider potentially swapping those out in the price and that raises this thing to around 600 even if you do the solder job on your own... a lot to consider at that point
@@AudiomoMusic yeah I think I would just wait on another offering from Harley Benton or another brand. However overall it seems like a nice guitar. However, at the moment I have a Squier 40th Anniversary Strat coming and a Gretsch G5422TG to order so I’ll have to wait. Lol.
Very good review! Thank you. :)
Seems like a pretty big guitar? I'm really pleased HB put a trem on this guitar though. Don't know why they don't do the same for their Jazzmaster copy.
Funny you mention a Jazzmaster, it feels extremely similar in size to that. It's definitely not small but that's the best way I can describe it
Fantastic tones!!!!🥰
this guitar is really good
hey, what a good sound, very punkysh, I'm going to buy one like that but sunburst colour. liked and subscribed to your channel thanks for the review, it helped me a lot my friend.
I'm happy this helped you out, I'm sure you'll love it when you get it and yes, it is a very aggressive and fun guitar to play!
I just can’t make up my mind how I feel about these guitars! It does look great and the price as always is unbelievable. I also like that this is more ‘original’ and less influenced by other guitars. Hmm…
I own a lot of them and use them in all of my covers. I can easily recommend them.
@@PegeCovers They are great. I just can’t decide what I think about them (probably because of my age!). Great playing on your channel, I had a listen.
@@aaronshortmusic Cheers breh. Also, yeah. I'm 28 and when I started, I didn't care about specific brands. So I never cared if the instrument was a fender or whatever. But if I one day decide to go for a high end brand, it sure won't be any of the old brands that seem to be stuck in the past. I'm gonna go for those modern brands that aim for raw results. Like that mayones brand. Or dingwall.
@@PegeCovers I haven’t even tried those yet. So many guitars so little time!!!
@@aaronshortmusic Those brands I mentioned are mega expensive, so maybe better if you don't ;)) I certainly won't.
I ordered the exact one but it didn’t hit UPS before the long Holiday Weekend in Germany. It says on the way. It will probably actually leave Tuesday. It might be interesting if you put real P90s in and used the push pull as a series parallel switch.
Thats actually a really cool idea! I hadn’t thought about that. Which finish did you end up going with?
@@AudiomoMusic I got the Blue like you did.
I should add that I use the volume and tone pots a lot so I will mess with different caps if I don't like the hum buckers out of the box. I am real curious how they sound in person with soap bar baseplates. I also have some Alnico 3 magnets.
I love oddball style guitars and this just does it for me! I’d be keen to buy one and relic it (understand it’s not for everyone!)
I think a guitar like this would be a weird relic candidate because the originals from the 60's haven't even relic'd very much outside of just regular usage as opposed to Fenders where the paint has worn substantially and discolored in some spots but i'm sure you'll enjoy the process if you do it!
@@AudiomoMusic You’re definitely right but I love the aesthetic
Looks fantastic........Old old stuff but I wonder if a squirt of D5 would cure the pots / switching. At this price point I fully agree new pots/switching is fine anyway if rest is correct..............Not into changing stuff and usually dislike headstocks not wood colour BUT does look super here, IMNSHO, LOL. Can't help but think asking for trouble the way they package it though???
Thomann themselves pack things fine, it was the US customs that decided to destroy the original packaging then repack it like a drunk college kid. I could not believe how poor of a job they did with that.
the pickups are made by Artec, and they sound very good.
Very interesting.
If that turned up at a rehearsal, I'd be like "oooooh what's the Moserite looking thing!?" & be immediately curious and interested.
When guitars at that price point have that kinda draw, and performance that can certainly be worked, that, is very very good for us as guitar players.
Great channel btw, subscribdd
That's kind of the appeal to something like this and why I liked the fact it wasn't just a strat/tele/les paul style instrument for once. It does make you say whoa that's different! Then you realize it's really affordable and it becomes something that you might actually want to try for yourself. Happy you enjoyed it and the channel itself, thanks man!
Is this quick muted chickin' pickin' at 6:03? How did you do that? Or did you just use the pick?
This will be a must watch, the contours around the body look a bit strange, but the proof will
be in the playing and how the guitar sounds and feels.
I have never played a Mosrite, so only have the video's of the artists to go by, they had a very
distinctive sound to them.
Hi Jim. Would you say the bridge pickup has as much low end as a squier jaguar or Tele. In humbucker mode. Thanks
More for sure
honestly this guitar sounds pretty good but I haven't finished the review video just yet!
It's definitely a punk rock guitar stock, it absolutely pulls that off thats for sure
Hey Jim! Would you say the Wilkinson VS-50 is a decent enough vibrato for light use (no dive bombs and stuff like that)?
And if I am to replace it with it's bigger brother, the Gotoh VS-100, with it's string spacing being 10.8 instead of 10.5 (like on the VS-50), would that be that big of a difference and would that affect my strings to edge of fretboard ratio too much?
Send that guitar back! U.P.S. delivered a hardly bent one! I wonder about paying Thomann extra for a plek job? My L.P. junior copy had several high frets, after leveling it myself it was fine, but could have been a headache if worse. Nice job Jim. Peace.
I wonder if they offer that, that would be something im going to have to actually look into and would be a fun test run of another guitar later from them
I still haven't decided on the Blue or Burst. They are both in the cart. lol
When in doubt go blue!
HI, I suppose you no longer own the guitar, but I'll try to ask you a question anyway. Is the height of the pickups adjustable by acting on the two side screws?
Yep, it is adjustable that way indeed
grazie! ciao@@AudiomoMusic
Hi Jim, sorry to bother you again... is this MR uncomfortable on your leg because of the weight... Im wondering whether to get this or the Harley Benton JA-60CC as they seem to be quite llight
id spend a little extra then and get the JA 25th anniversary model, it's the clear winner of the lot imo
@@AudiomoMusicits a good idea.. but I love the colors on the cheaper models more :)
Mister Modern (said my google assistant)
hahahaha
Good video, well presented, in my opinion they are hideous looking guitars, but they play well, great sounding instrument for an affordable guitar.
It's absolutely a love it or hate it look, I ended up parting with it because of the bulkiness of it actually
What is that white coating on the fingerboard? I often see this on rosewood type fingerboards.
a lot of these companies don't condition the fretboard prior to shipping so the whiteness is apparent, I even had that on an American Original 60's Jaguar. Crazy to me since it takes like 5 minutes before putting the strings on.
I'd hate the flaw on the headstock finish, but I'm a maniac... Other than that 8 pounds makes it rarther on the heavy side... The thing looks quite good and the sound could do for surf, although you didn't go that way in your playing. Also, your not a whammy kinda guy, but you ought to test that if you want to make your demo complete... Tschüss!
I'm a huge vibrato guy, this one was just stiff as a board and unstable and I didn't want to fight with retuning it constantly during the demo. I mostly play Jazzmasters, Jaguars, and Mustangs.
Guitar was heavy but par for the course with these sorts of body styles, I had a Japanese Mosrite from the 90's that weighed just about the same and recently played a vintage american one that was basically a boat anchor.
Mention that in your demo to be honest! If the trem system is crappy say it or fix it before the demo, so we know whether fixing the shit is possible or not... get it,@@AudiomoMusic
I love the CAR!
It's a very sweet color indeed!
Smoking playing bro
Can't the humbuckers be wired in parallel? (clarity and no hum)
I don't see why not, I'm going to take the pickguard off to replace the push pull with a much nicer one I have lying around so I'll see what I can do with the pickups as is
The 'classic' version has got p90 pickups,but no tremolo.....
Yeah kind of a bummer but some people actually dont' like tremolos or vibratos... blasphemy is you ask me
Ohh dear, not quite what i was hoping for, it's certainly no Mosrite, the pickups and cheap electronics must take a lot of the
blame, these are easy to replace.
But i just don't like the strange looking stepped countours around the edge of the body.
Looks like i will have to wait until i can afford the real thing.
Many thanks for your excellent demo Jim, you have just saved me from buyers remorse.🙂
Take a look at the contours on some of thre original Mosrite models, several had a "German Carve" e.g. ua-cam.com/video/-ZT2Wnf7BHM/v-deo.html
It's absolutely on the electronics imho, the rest of the guitar is actually really well put together and plays well! I know they want to modernize everything about these guitars but I don't know if the pickup choice was the best idea for this guitar
@@AudiomoMusic The problem for me is that i can close my eyes and remember how an original Ventures Mosrite should sound, and this guitar is miles away from that quirky sound.
You could replace everything with no guarantee of getting even close to the original Mosrite's
It's easy enough with the right guitar and effects to get close to the Ventures sound
but i doubt that you ever will with this one.
why did you get the Modern one instead of the Classic? The Classic has P90s, is non splittable, and costs 250 instead of 350. Is it because of the tremolo?
Alder body, tremolo, stainless frets were the reasons. If this just had the p90s it would have been ideal.
@@AudiomoMusic makes sense. I guess that if you keep the guitar (big if) the P90s will be there in no time. Thanks for the answer!
the ebony is almost a Royal Ebony look.
I like it! I think it has a really nice character to it. The guitar in general looks great imho
Would you say the neck is chunky?
Sorry I somehow missed this comment, it isn't really chunky it feels just much flatter than I'm used to in the left hand. It definitely lives up to the modern in the name for sure in that aspect
Hi, I've been playing since 1962. I am embarrassed to say this is,4 the first time I've heard of a baritone guitar. I am afraid I am confused. What is the difference? I tried to buy an MR series through your link, but every one I saw in sunburst had a SB suffix. All I want is a standard, sunburst, Mosrite copy with a tremolo arm. I don care if it's Modern or Classic. The Tohmann site didn't give enough information. Could you kindly point me to both the Modern and Classic part numbers so I can place my order. BTW I will gladly buy through your link if it helps you! Also, I have subscribed to your channel Shalom/gw
Hey I was actually really confused at first when they launched - they really need to work on how they label these things. The one you're looking for is called Harley Benton MR-Modern SB item number 513266. I appreciate that a lot btw, thanks so much its a nice gesture and doesn't cost you anything extra to use my link many thanks again
A Baritone is usually of a longer scale from 26 to 29," it has thicker strings, and it's tuned lower; anywhere from A Standard to C Standard. They don't sound quite the same as a regular sized guitar that's tuned lower.
Lovely copy, but as with most Harley Benton's the pickups dont cut it, but for fraction of the real deal, one can swap them out.
bingo, that's the only thing really holding this up and luckily even top of the line lindy fralin p90s would be 200 bucks roughly and the guitar would be totally finished.
@@AudiomoMusic Eastwood and Airline make a very good clone of the Mosrite. No upgrades required and not very pricey either.
@@adrian_V99 I do like the eastwoods but it's a give and take with any of them, the stock jazzmaster style trem is pretty poor to me and I notice it's a budget part mainly because my main instrument of choice is a Jaguar so I'd be swapping that immediately, at that point the guitar is near 700 dollars, where the HB even with a pickup swap comes in at a bit less. I also really like the look of the Eastman a little bit more than the HB but it's a much more traditional instrument too. For me you can't really go wrong with either, if I see a eastwood come up locally at a decent used price I'll happily pick one up and do a direct comparison
@@AudiomoMusic Thanks, Jim. Great idea.
I wonder if the body would need routes? Those don’t look like normal size humbuckers
Have you checked that P90s will fit those routes?
I checked it a little bit ago, they fit just fine but you'll have to drill in the regular screw placement for the pickups to mount to the body. Not a big deal but it should be known before hand
The only Mos i tried in the 80s was set up terrible like most old guitars on the wall back then
As soon as I saw this I instantly thought about Nirvana, now I need one.
Has jumbo frets?
Indeed!
An affordable take on a Mosrite. Nice
Absolutely, good competition for some other brands that make similar kinds of guitars.
Love the Colour on this, hows it feel, not sure wether it’s the camera angle but it looks like a big guitar 🎸
Thanks for the Upload 👍🏼✌🏼
It is a bigger guitar, it reminds me a lot of a Fender Jazzmaster. Bigger body combined with the regular fender scale length and a little heavier than normal for a bolt on guitar
Nice may have a look into these myself
Thanks again Jim 👍🏼
Anytime Matt
looks amazing, maybe its time for HB to bring out a new 24 inch scale neck guitar with the same flair as the MR
I agree, even if they just did the Gibson 24.75 scale it would make for a very different playing experience
Very nice color
UPS the guitar destroyers =)
At least they didn't lose this one, they've done that to me in the past
There’s a P90 version just for you
Sadly, no trem, no ss frets, no alder body or locking tuners. Very different guitar in that sense. Luckily regular p90s will drop right into this one
@@AudiomoMusic ah, I see. Cheers
Keep in mind you need some serious tools to work with stainless steel. Do NOT try to file anything with ordinary lutherie tools.
😦🤔 very surfy indeed
Music man amp,!!!!
The amp of my youth, what a killer amp.
My guy, if you want a guitar with p-90’s just buy the MR-Classic instead
No trem no party
@@AudiomoMusic that is true🕺🪩
I think HB is showing us guitars are lo tech being around now 90yrs and have become cheaper to produce like all products. They shouldnt cost more than an iphone anymore. When we pay thousands we pay for perhaps unnecessary 1st world finishing labor.
Its all relative, for some brands its much easier to understand the pricing but for places like Fender to charge 5 grand for guitars that they finish beautifully then spend hours destroying to create an entirely fake aging. That stuff makes no sense to me price wise new. Its nice to see HB doing as well as they are with these, but id really like to see them make a full on higher end model with no corners cut at all. That will be the real turning point imho
I'm disappointed. expected a better sound i guess but then you have the old adage "You get what you pay for. " it looks like the 60s danelectro a buddy a mine had.
Pickups by far the weak point of this one. I like a lot of the modern stuff on it but why make such strange pickups, just go for decent p90s and its all good
looks super uncomfortable though
feels just like a jazzmaster to me, so if you like those it's fine if you don't then yeah you won't like it at all
@@AudiomoMusic nah i like jazz masters that ridge looked kinda uncomfortable
You don’t really notice it while playing, i think you might be surprised then. If you didn’t like jazzmasters you’d hate it imho
Problem is these guitars look like a cheap unstylish knock off (real or HB)
It will never be a Mosrite. Either buy a real Mosrite or buy a Hallmark, it is a superb copy. Forget this ugly crap.
I'm pretty sure they knew it would never be a Mosrite, just like a Eastwood will never be a mosrite, and neither will a Hallmark.
That's one fugly axe dude smh, i'm out.
I mean it was in the thumbnail and you clicked it anyways, just to let me everyone know it was ugly to you? Seems like a waste of your own time
Harley Benton guitars sound so lifeless and generic, most of the time.
These specific pickups definitely weren't my favorite from them, that much is for sure
One of the ugliest guitars i've ever seen 😬
At least it isn't the ugliest, that will always go to the SG. Truly the worst guitar ever put into mass production.
Wrong wrong wrong! I've had an original ventures 1967 model and an early mij mosrite. These POS HB's are way off. Everything HB sucks. I've owned and worked on hundreds of guitars since the 80's. HB's just suck, plain and simple.
Well. Id have to say the HB sc special in dirty mustard played great out of the box with just a fret polish
I will replace the POS wraparound bridge ....no flaws and $300 delivered ...I can't complain and I usually have something to bitch about....the contoured set neck joint on the sc special can't be found on Gibsons or other knock offs...just on the collings 290....but that's $4k..
I bet you'll like the HB SC special..
I've been playing since the 80s as well....
Elitist moron. Why did you even click on the video you idiot. No one wants your stupid negative opinion.
The ONLY REASON enybody would buy this guitar is the fact Johnny Ramone used Mosrite and the ventura model it was. This one aint a ventura. And why no glossy neck? 350€ and no glossy neck, get real! and one more thing, if Johnny Ramone did NOT USED Mosrite everyone would go : what an ugly piece of shit!
To be fair, I had no idea Johnny Ramone played one of these. I was never a huge fan of the Ramones. I see one of these I instantly think of surf, not early punk rock. It appears you haven't liked this guitar from the offset, so I'm curious why you clicked this video after basically saying the same thing on the previous video
Elephant in the room... Not sure if everyone is aware but Casino Guitars recently announced a 'Boycott' against Harley Benton. This is a UA-cam channel from a rather prominent retailer in North Carolina. The ENTIRE premise is BULLSHIT with a retailer that first of all... doesn't even sell HB guitars... placing a so call 'boycott' on them on the premise that 'they sell copies and rip off companies like Fender, Gibson and Taylor'
This is a result of HB recently releasing an acoustic that is similar to Taylor.
This is entirely marketing BS to 1- Gain viewers, 2- appease their suppliers. How do I know this? Because Casino Guitars has NO problems selling copies on their OWN website. They are an exclusive seller of John Cruz guitars which are almost exact replica's of Fenders. Hypocrisy at its finest and yet another American company hopping on the MISINFORMATION bandwagon.
I 100% support HB because THEY bring NEW players to a dying art. NO New player is gonna buy a Fender or Gibson, HB fits a well deserved market of offerinfg NEW players affordable, high quality instruments at great prices.
BOYCOTT Casino Guitars I say!
Truth be told, without this harley benton I would have never bought a guitar of this body style as they are extremely expensive and I had no way of trying one first to see if I would like it. So really, without Harley Benton making this guitar I may have never seriously considered buying an original Mosrite but now that I know the general idea of how it will feel size wise and the general vibe I'm much more likely to pull the trigger on a vintage one if the price is right.
So really, without Harley Benton I wouldn't potentially be spending even more money on the real thing later down the road. Don't see how that isn't a double win.
East wood makes a Mosrite copy for$999 and i can tell you it is no ware as good as the HP.