I have no idea why fender is doing the bare minimum with the Jaguar, makes no sense. I would like to see a SHerwood green , rosewood fretboard Jaguar widely available for sure
What I don’t understand is why they make several versions the models they do but refuse to give people what they want - such as a Sherwood green reissue. I also loooove that color
@@AudiomoMusicthey already did the ocean turquoise lately (since most frusciante lovers have always mistaken his sherwood for an OT in the under the bridge videoclip, they were super happy)
Fender has no real competition for Jags. PRS Silver Sky is putting strats under pressure but Fender is the only show in town for jags and jazzmasters. So if you don’t like their cheap jags - yes you have to go up to a Johnny Marr etc
Literally was just in the market for a jag, but when I get a guitar I want it to be the way it was designed…am going with a custom builder who will make me a nitro finished jag any color I want rather than waiting on fender anymore
Yep, which also impacts Japanese customers. Fender USA's lack of supply to the west for desirable Jaguars hurts the domestic Japanese players ability to get the guitars that were meant for them in the first place. It's all so ridiculous and easy to fix but they won't do it.
This player 2 series is sad for the jag. Fender doesn't understand its like enjoying cruising around in an old classic with tons of chrome. Switches, and style.
@@AudiomoMusic i imported one from japan for less than the cost of American and Mexican and it came in 3 days with no customs costs. i feel like yall are stuck in the past. The Japanese models aren't like out of stock or anything they've been restocked a ton of times already this year.
Great video man. I’m so glad you started this conversation. I, and evidently so many others, have been thinking the exact same thing. Hoping a Jaguar joins the American Vintage II series soon 🤞🤞
If Fender isn't going to do anything cool for the Jags here, then they might as well make the MIJ ones available here for the US domestic market. But we both know that's not going to happen, justice for the Jag, Fender, come on!!
I don't think it's logistically possible for Fender Japan to increase production to a number that would satisfy the demands of the US market without sacrificing quality control and other production Quotas they have. The other thing that we all know would happen is they would be marked up by a minimum of 50% if some new ones were sold here in the US which wouldn't really fix anything
Flipping has existed since the instrument was first released, the flippers just had a store front where the buyer could come in and see it first. Again, it’s down to the buyers. Buyers regularly spending 2 grand on these guitars from shops when they cost about a grand to begin with gave shops the green light to continue and also buy more inventory. If the buyers didn’t spend the two grand in the first place, it wouldn’t have become the norm. It also allowed others in the know the then get the same guitars and undercut the bigger stores who created these norms. All of this was enabled because buyers willingly chose to pay the asking prices and some still do. It is what it is.
@@AudiomoMusic But those shops also bore the brunt of the customer service end of the business, today's sellers just have to say "as-is no returns" and if you buy sight-unseen you have no recourse
@jasondorsey7110 which is the exact same policy that anyone gets when they order from Japan directly to get the guitars in the states or UK. Trust me, I get where you’re coming from but there is a lot to this whole thing.
I share your concerns. I ended up scoring an FSR in Sherwood Green (rosewood, bound neck, 7.25 neck radius, etc.) in late 2023 from Kinko Music and absolutely love it; in total it cost me $1207 USD. Your videos introduced me to this series and led me down the path to figuring out how to order one of these successfully. Thank you.
It makes me happy to know I have helped people like yourself discover guitars like that and at the original prices available. If you ever want to sell it let me know, of all the runs I missed the Sherwood green was also my favorite haha
Dude, I just want to say thank you for all your content. Before finding your channel I wound up buying the player ii jaguar. Upon setting it up with 11's and playing around with it, I realized I was not truly happy with the quality and lack of features overall. I typically play my 90s mik epiphone rivieras and am more used to their 40mm nut width and neck shape, for my leads and rhythms. I learned a lot watching your videos and I just ordered a MIJ 60s traditional jaguar on ebay, I'm so stoked for it! Tomorrow I'll be heading to guitar center to return the player ii jag lol. Anyway, thanks again! You have earned a new subscriber, keep up the great work! 👊😎
Fantastic video as ever, and a great tangent. Here’s hoping fender do put these in the next vintage line at the very least (probably won’t be long until vintage 3 line I imagine so fingers crossed they are finally added) And I feel your pain- Gibson often post ‘which is your fav from the original collection lineup’ with no Firebird even pictured (guessing as they stopped making them but it was still part of the collection and original release) - is funny how some guitars get very little love (and annoying they’re often my favourites 😂)
@@AudiomoMusic yeah it really does - get its divisive but its also a guitar with a lot of interesting history and a growing following but hey, very very grateful I have mine at least :)
"Just not pay" and "Prices will correct themselves" are the best piece of advice in any context of spending money in something not essential. I'm in hunt for my first Jag. I play mostly Mustangs and Strats. I've found a used, pretty beat up AVRI 62 Jag and played it a bit plugged and unplugged - great tone, great playability but kinda on the heavy side and also worth mentioning it has no case, not sure if the mute is working properly and no tags too. The owner would get my Mexican Mustang Pawn Shop and some more money (with this amount I could buy a new Squier Jag Classic Vibe). Neck is not as thin as any of my Mustangs (vintage 65, Pawn shop Japan and Mexico, Char) feels a bit bigger is there any Jags with thinner necks? Vintage only? Would you say it is a good deal? Thanks!
I think the reason why the Jaguar is not manufactured in the USA is because it does not sell well, this is what some distributors have told me in the country where I live, which is why most of them only bring Stratocasters or Telecasters to the country. The Jaguar is usually a person's third or fourth guitar, I think you buy a Stratocaster, Telecaster and Les Paul first. Also the lack of famous/popular guitarists who use the Jaguar as their main guitar on stage would be another reason. Cheers Jim!
@@omarfranco8426 weird, cause a Japanese after import taxes is comparable to an American price wise. Why wouldn't we just buy the one made here? Oh that's right, they still wanna pretend all the new guitarists are buying Telecaster and Stratocaster or that old hat musicians are attracting new players to these two models, they aren't, but Fender cannot change. It only deletes or fucks things up now. I been faithless in them since the 90's, when they completely threw the last genre to mean anything and organically change the entire entertainment scene under the bus making ZERO EFFORT, to reissue during the grunge years. What a fuckin miserable bustard of a company. I hope they get sold, management has been stupid for years about what we want, the way we want it. See the Vintera 2 Mustangs, note they are NOT matching headstock, and are the 73' model, not the 69', the only one of the bunch we ASKED FOR FOR DECADES.
Why won't Fender make a proper Jaguar reissue? my guess, $. fender knows they might sell a lil less because of lack of controls but the savings of the parts far out way selling a few less in quantity.
What a beautiful Jaguar that is, I must say I'm jealous of that matching headstock and the color is superb. As you know Jags got discontinued and used to be on the resale market for cheap. A lot of players like Cobain would modify them significantly which brought back the popularity but also confused Fender it seems. They're on a mission to fix something that wasn't broken by "modernizing" whatever they can. Although I did like the original Player Series I just don't understand anything about this new offering other than the rosewood. The pickups aren't even Jaguar pickups. Your observations about the used market now on these things speaks volumes.
You *certainly* aren't the only one feeling this way about Jags bro! That blue japanese model you have is absolutely beautiful 😍😍 I, on the other hand, am one of the people who absolutely adores the maple board on the vintera II... that's on my wish list. You're right about the colour choices though, i don't mind white... real white... that vintage egg shell almost off white sickly cream colour is not at all my colour. One of the first guitars i ever bought was a Squier Vintage Modified Jag, White, (real white) with a tortoise shell guard. Soooooooo nice. But I sold her to a friend... I wish i had kept it. 😒
Great video, agree with everything you said. I recently got a Classic Vibe 70’s Jaguar and I love it, though I don’t know what to compare it to cause I’ve never even held a Fender. I wish the Player 2 Jaguar had the chrome and vintage controls. I would buy one of those in that Hialeah Yellow for sure. I love your passion for these guitars it’s contagious, keep up the great work.
I’m sure to some people absolutely, all depends if you want the bigger fret wire, flatter radius, and relicing. They get the hardware and electronics right either way
The fact that "get a mod shop" guitar is floated as a way to get a Jaguar in its classic form is very sad. Fender loves to flaunt its legacy, and them not offering the most attractive form of a pre-CBS jaguar in either Vintera or American Vintage II boggles the mind, especially in the latter case. Let's say that okay, they don't want to offer options for MIM guitars because they want to push buyers towards MIA, then at least make the Vintage II line truly representative of the best of classic Fender.
Oh it always makes me laugh when people tell me to just "go to the mod shop" because they have clearly never looked at the Jaguars options on the mod shop to see it's not the answer to any of the requests a lot of players want. Awesome, I can get a modern spec'd guitar in Plum Metallic then replace all of the electronics with stuff I'd actually want and be 2300+ in the hole for a poly finished guitar... Make it make sense
Thing is also, if they want to push people towards MIA then why bother having MIM or Squier? The choice is there for Classic Vibe Strats, Teles and JMs, so players aren’t being pushed towards MIA for those, it’s just not for Jags
Not having basic options like non-marr electronics in the mod shop is a crime, let alone there not being binding/inlay choices and an option for painted headstocks or more than one pickup choice. They're REALLY dropping the ball here, regardless if they're trying to push people towards custom shop or not
The Johnny Marr Jaguar, which I have, suffers from a miss manufactured StayTrem imitation bridge. I took it to my local luthier, because both E strings were slipping off the neck. We looked it up, and it is a known problem. One of the main selling points of the guitar, and they screwed it up. 😊 So if you buy one of these, just be aware that you still may have to replace the bridge with a StaytYem or a Mastery, even though it comes with a bridge that is supposed to make that unnecessary. 😄
They actually fixed it in 2018. The original Marrs had the incorrect string spacing which leads to the strings being too close to the edges. It took Fender over 6 years for them to fix something that should have been caught in the R&D period and that says a lot about how little they put into the actual production process.
Loving my 60s American Original jaguar that I bought 2022. My local finnish guitar shop had installed 11. gauge strings. I think originally that had 10., but 11. is working too good. Most likely my favorite guitar, liking even bit more that Marr's Jaguar that I also have. Marr Jaguar is great but american original feels bit more Jaguar. Rythm circuit is great, liking the 3 switch toggle and no issues with the jaguar bridge. Planning to get 3rd jaguar and try lollar pickups for it.
Lollar make great stuff, big fan of their pickups for every Fender honestly. Happy to hear you enjoy the more traditional style Jag - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it imho just a lot of user error from people that don't understand how they work.
@@AudiomoMusicWhile Marr jaguar is great, the 4 position switch and mustang bridge definitely feels quite artificial. Forgot that American Original had one fun problem, had to set tremolo screws upside down or E-strings would break. Hope to find Japanese Jaguar some day.
I got one in Coral Red and it's a lot of fun to play and sounds great. I like vintage spec (and miss the extra chrome) but this has it's own vibe. My only complaint is that it's a lil heavy. Appreciate the video.
I actually don't have a problem with the Player ii or any Jaguar in the video ( minus the Cobain that is a mess haha ), my problem is their refusal to offer this many Jaguars without offering a single proper vintage spec one like they do for the Jazzmaster.
@ yeah those were definite choices re: the Cobain. I agree completely, we need more Jags. They rule. If it means that I need get another then I will gladly make that sacrifice.
American Original 60s and AVRI 62s are tough to find in more desirable colors. You're going to pay $2K+ for those models because they are vintage spec and have nitro finish, but realistically Fender is not going to charge any less than that for a vintage spec production model so I don't think there's any reason to wait on it. Best thing I did on mine is add a Halon bridge with brass saddles. Magic. Highly recommended.
They didn't make nearly as many custom color runs for the AO line compared to the original AV's which makes those even a bit harder for people that want the modern radius but man... the models I'm most interested in - the fsr thin skin 65 jaguar or one of the limited edition thin skin 62 reissues are either out of this world expensive ( 3k-5k) or go months without being listed. Happy you got what you wanted, never tried the Halon bridge that's good to hear
I'm with you. I'm currently in the process of building my dream jag, which I need to do through parts. It's going to be a 70s-ish spec build, with some fun outside the box and/or blasphemous things. I love the look of the rosewood, but I've always felt a better connection with maple fretboards and I love the feel of raw wood, so I'm doing my first roasted maple neck guitar. I have a cheap one now I'm working with, but planning to eventually get a Warmoth roasted maple neck with black blocks and binding, vintage small frets, and probably a 9.5 radius to better jive with the rest of my parts. I think the darker color of the roasted maple will help it sit a bit more close to rosewood visually compared to normal maple. I plan to paint the headstock, so sanding and painting it won't be painful like doing the same to an old neck or USA neck. I have an AVRI trem and an american pro bridge (seems to be the staytrem copy), a vintera 60s body in factory sunburst, and it'll have vintage spec wiring. I'll be painting a thin nitro sherwood green with a tinted amber clear over the current sunburst, which will hopefully wear really nicely over time. Tort pickguard, which I had never been too sold on before, but I think looks ultra good with the sherwood green. I'm also considering checking the finish, since realistically I don't think that will actually happen naturally. Jaguars have always been one of my favorite guitars and I'm SUPER excited for this project. I just got enough parts to have something playable and it's been so fun. I feel like jags are becoming more and more popular these days and that Fender would start selling a ton more if they'd just start painting those damn headstocks!
I was waiting to hear your take on the PSII Jaguar. I'm super disappointed that they didn't include the rhythm circuit and at this point I'm probably going to have to buy a Squier CV Jag and put the new PSII rosewood neck on it once they're available. Edit: I'd want either a Sherwood Green, Shell Pink, or Lake Placid Blue Jaguar. I adore the UA-camr Nisebelle's blue Jaguar. You should check her out if you never have!
It's something a lot of people do, I did it on a CV. Replaced everything except the body... in the end it wasn't exactly what I wanted and sold it. Just kinda sucks we have to go through that much effort to make something that should be offered from Fender on a regular basis.
@@AudiomoMusic I actually rewatched your video on that a couple days ago and thought it looked like more work than it was worth but it's the only way to get a brand new traditional Jaguar setup for under $1000. It's too bad yours still didn't end up what you wanted. I'm a sucker for dark fretboards so I don't have any interest in the Vintera II line either. I think Fender's Professional II lineup is overpriced but I'd probably buy a Jaguar from that line if they'd just make it. The Marr is cool but I'm not a 7.25" radius guy. I've been looking at '90s Jags and Japanese ones but it's almost impossible to find the colors (Sherwood Green or Shell Pink) I want.
Yes, we've had this convo a bit but I did end up returning the Japanese one that was a pretty recent issue and still had likely some the same issues here... BUT also I didn't see too many overtly essential upgrades the MIM one I have except that you would prefer the brighter pickups and probably not mind the Fiesta "Red" [meh pink] but the GC guys also could not figure out what whammy bar actually should fit the thing, either.
Like I said before, I think the Squier sounds about the same as MIM and plays mostly well enough for a casual enthusiast BUT would definitely need fret work right out the box. I also don't know whom else might make a custom one that could rival or best that I could afford or if Fender is still worth investigating eventually, but the ones I've seen used are a smidge too pricey when I don't know if there's any hidden flaws, etc.
Also, we seem to be in shrinking minority of people who consider the rhythm circuit even good, much less essential. It's a confusing world? I think the Jazzmaster players had more t' do with this, but the circuit still standard on all JMs, right??????
You could get the guitar routed easily enough to add circuitry, I'm sure. Probably wouldn't be as cost effective as I'd like to spend on feature that should be standard, but I asked a tech guy about chambering for Telecaster and he kind of missed the point about the usual honeycomb designs and was saying that it was mostly done under the pickguard and likely wouldn't lighten the body as much as I had hoped, so same procedure but for different reason. We didn't really get into specifics about price at the time, so I can't quote anything very accurate here now.
Yeah, the black and white V2 left me cold, although I didn't think the block neck looked as bad as some critics because the Squire has block inlays but with a dark fingerboard and the edge binding that usually Fender is always just the dots, so gets redundant.
I have an MIJ Jaguar (97-99) Love it. It’s my main guitar. Bought on reverb for 1200 two years ago. Got delivered to me in like four days. No big deal. There’s usually 20 good ones to choose from on any given day for 1200-1500. I agree it would be awesome to Fender Japan stuff in our shops here in the US - or even better - for Fender US to make better stuff (as you stress here) but Reverb has made getting stuff from far away super easy.
Even better is skipping reverb entirely and getting the same guitars from Japan for well under a grand 😁 It’s just sad that’s the only viable and consistent option. All the AVRIs are priced to the moon unless they are beaten to death or three tone sunburst.
why send japan models to u.s? why not send mediocre u.s. models to u.s. shops which sell for more and make fender more money? all the while not paying tariffs. sad but true, fender's #1 priority is money, not the guitar player
Honestly, so is the strangle. A lot of people don't realize how it is a staple of surf music and even in country for a time in the 60's and 70's. Those two features are part of what make the Jaguar the Jaguar indeed
I bought Marr Jaguar used for 1000 euro and deMarred it using my 50th anniv US Jaguar, now it looks like 60s one and I really like it, even tho it doesn’t come out on stage very often…
Great GREAT video. Only time they remotely even thought about it was the Johnny Marr Jaguar, and that guitar is a little off of the beaten path for Jaguars. Honestly, I would say it's Fender's R&D team probably attempting to avoid a repeat of the model's inception run by reissuing Jaguars without the original obscure design features - features which ironically give the Jaguar it's character. And while Fender can dodge that very same bullet with the Jazzmaster (i.e. the Squier J Mascis, which was put out with P-90 pickups was a remarkably versatile yet popular guitar) it's just wildly reluctant to with regard to the Jaguar, success of the Player Series model aside
@@AudiomoMusic Legitimately quite fascinating - you and me both on that. Other than Fender litigating business decisions from *1962* (which is insane given that the 90's happened lol) literally every argument you present in this video is air-tight and it makes zero sense to reissue something that is iterative of the idea instead of the genuine article. Fender, amirite lol
How do y'all jag lovers change positions quickly? Sincerely asking. I dont mind the look of the sliders, but two movments for a single position change, I just find it an odd dance. It's kept me from gigging it.
Honestly, the same way I do on mustangs. You play one long enough you just get the muscle memory to do it quick. I can’t stand the blades on jags cus I’m so used to the sliders on short scale fenders haha
The rhythm circuit, toggle switches, matching headstocks, and pickups I’m talking about in this video are not selectable options on the mod shop design site, and the last time I emailed about it they told me the options they had were all they offered at the time but to always look out for updates…
I've had several of those both production and FSR models, some of the hybrids, and numerous older MIJ and CIJ jags over the years. They are absolutely what is missing here in the market.
Well, I know where I'll be visiting next time I'm over in Tokyo! No Jags here in HK, plenty of everything else (and I mean PLENTY!). I would love a good original AND a Johnny Marr - the mods he did with Fender make perfect sense for my style of playing, but I really do want an original . . . we'll see. Thanks for the vid - didn't know it was as bad as this but had noticed a lack of Jags when I checked Fender and a few big dealers online.
I'd still say no honestly Rex, it's well worth the effort of buying one from Japan that will cost roughly a grand to your door for a regular model. Far better made and spec'd instruments.
I have a 2010 classic player jag that I absolutely adore. My favorite guitar ever. I know the trem is placed differently, and the bridge is different…. But I feel like the classic player REALLY captures everything I love about the jaguar. I also have a 1st gen “player” HS jag that I love too, but the large pick guard annoys the fuck out of me. It reminds me of a lot of the affinity squire’s. It had the same “we removed all the bells and whistles” vibe. Lucky gen 1 IS routed for a rhythm circuit, but I actually prefer the coil tap that’s there instead. I definitely want to get a plate for it to make it look more like a proper jag.
Great video! FMIC took over Fender Japan LTD in 2015. It's now officially called Fender Music Corporation (Japan), but some Japanese Fenders are still exclusive to Japan, so maybe not much change in availability
It is indeed a beaut, I have it listed for sale now as I'm going to try to fund an actual vintage Jaguar and call it a day so I don't need to rely on Fender to make anything new at this point
I think a 3-tone burst Jag is THE Jag, but I know some people like the custom colors and the matching headstock so Lake Placid Blue is cool too. There are some recent artists using Jags, Kurt Vile (tuned up to F standard), and Courtney Barnett (though she plays a lefty Cobain model). One of the guitar playing twins in The National had an LPB Jag with matching headstock as well.
I think the issue is Fender isnt looking to win over the offset fans with these guitars. They are looking to get people who play strats, telecasters, and les pauls with something different but not too different. Fender seems to hate their original offset designs and the ayers who love them. The guitars didnt sell well in the 50s and 60s and thus are viewed as failures and Fender doesnt want to take a risk on them. Similar to Gibson refusing to reissue Norlin era guitars and specs.
I feel your frustration brother!. Fender are all over the shop with regards to historic accuracy, even the custom shop get features completely wrong?. Fender Japan have always done it right!.
They make very few custom shop Jaguars annually, it's sad the majority are relics and have modern neck specs but at least it's something I guess... for the rest of us there is Fender Japan haha
It's always been Fender Japan, even before F.J was a thing!. I've got a lot of love for Tokai and Greco. You have to try a Galanti Grand Prix, a classic 60's Italian twist on the off-set shape and fantastic pickups!.
Fender Japan mostly is good, but some of their pickups have not been the greatest, mind you I have some but not jaguars and they sound good; most of the guitars are poly not Nitro, some of the hardware could be a bit better also?
@mohamedtlass3842 Granted the electronics are not the best but the craftsmanship of the guitars themselves is excellent. Pick ups and pots can always be changed.
Maybe the Jag just doesnt sell as much as other offsets, so there less need for fender to do it 'right'? I can understand why the player 2 series isn't vintage correct though. It's entry level stuff. However the vintera 2 Jag offerings are indeed very limited. Good shout!
When they did the 60th anniversary Jaguars they sold out within days of being listed and a lot of people were angry they made so few. Fender said not to worry because they would be making vintage spec models for the Jaguar in full production shortly - that was 2 years ago.
Why won't Fender make a proper Jaguar reissue? my guess, $. fender knows they might sell a lil less because of lack of controls but the savings of the parts far out way selling a few less in quantity.
I agree with you so much on this. It's so infuriating that Fender has decided to treat the Jaguar this way. I own a '66 Jag and have been looking to get a comparable re-issue as my second guitar, and while there are countless reissues of Teles, Strats, and even Jazzmasters, with true vintage specs, there's nothing I've seen for the Jag.
You got me curious about recent Fender Jaguar versions. Isn't there the original Vintera that was more the original 60s /custom colour style? I've seen one in Ocean Turquoise with the matching headstock and tort pickguard and it looks great for under 1k. And it's Pau Ferro board, not the 70s maple, which I'm personally fine with. There's a Surf Green version too, without the coloured headstock. They don't look as dark, but they play really nicely. I have original Vintera I Telecaster and Stratocaster in Seafoam, and they're two of my better guitars, especially once the Strat was professionally setup (Telecaster was perfect).
I got one of the Fender Classic 60s Lacquer Jaguars with the rosewood fingerboard on fb marketplace. It was a really good reissue with the only difference to my eyes being the non-locking tremolo system, which is easily replaced. Fender needs to bring that line back. No other affordable Jaguar is nearly as "correct" as that one to my knowledge.
everything in fact! Finding a new canonical Jaguar is very difficult now; there are many guitars on the used market with different bridges, pickups, tuners, guitars that are 20-30 years old. I recently picked up a Fender 2021 Traditional II 60s Jaguar Matching Head Black Japan, almost new, very happy about it, the Japanese really care about Jags p.s. In my country the import is closed, it is very difficult to order guitars, so things are even worse(
So bummed I didn’t grab the olive when they had American standard run in like 2019 or something. I have no Jag in my collection! I’ll either buy a used olive or build a jag-caster
Great video calling out the lack of Jaguars...I did a similar video a year ago or so. I think I have a more optimistic opinion on the current models though. Yes, the Player II Jaguar has no rhythm circuit (or routing) and is lacking 2/3 chrome plates, BUT at least Fender actually designed new pickups AND they're actual Jaguar pickups! It's also not aimed at the vintage Jag fans. The Vintera II isn't that bad IMO, maple is kinda sick, and the vintage white is pretty cool looking. Black is boring. The lack of American Jaguars IS a problem...but I think it's a symptom of poor sales. Consistently, the Jaguar undersells the Stratocaster, Telecaster, and Jazzmaster. So, Fender just doesn't want to spend R&D money on them if no one is buying. It's too bad that the Japanese Fenders aren't available to us.
Fender sold out of the 60th anniversary jags within days of them being listed ( the actual jaguars not the black one that was nothing like a Jaguar ) and went on record saying not to worry to those that missed out as there would be similar vintage specd American ones available for everyone “soon”. Over two years later and nothing has changed. It’s also worth remembering at the time those were released, there were still some American Original Jaguars available on a regular basis both new and used so it’s not like there was a big gap between production as there is today. In an ideal world they’d add it to the AV ii line but they make strange bets financially on models or gear that has zero following or demand so I can’t understand their logic at times. It is what it is
You are right about Fender Japan. I just got two. I got the FSR Inca Silver Jaguar. I also just got a limited run Cyclone. Both guitars are awesome. Build quality is fantastic. I spent a little too much on the Jaguar through a reseller. However, I ordered the Cyclone over a broker on ebay and it was only $1,150 (including tax) with free shipping. This is all to say that they are doing it right in Japan and anyone thinking about buying directly from there really should not hessitate.
I've been saying it for years, that's where the value and quality are if you're into Fender guitars. It's a tall ask to order something blind and I understand why some are hesitant to do it but man, all it takes it that first one to show up and you think "why haven't I been doing this for years?" haha
Totally agree! It is so frustrating to be a Jaguar fan these days. First of all... don't put Jaguar on the headstock unless it has all the chrome plates! It is the one of the main things that sets it apart from other Fender offerings. I have been waiting for over a decade for Fender to put out a Sherwood green Jag (hopefully with matching headstock). I would even be happy if it was a Squier Classic Vibe Jag, which I am shocked they haven't refreshed the colors on in years.
I recommend going to digimart.net - then finding one you like and start sending emails. All the info you will need is on that site. I’m not going to endorse the other shop mentioned or any shop in the US if price is your number one concern.
I think they change overtime, they’re probably gonna come with a vintera 2 jaguar 60s specs overtime. And they also sometime do traditionnal MIJ available sometimes
Yeah it's just about being in the right place at the right time. For full model refreshes we have 4 total years in each life cycle, so the next vintera refresh will be a ways off unless they do a mid life release for a rosewood version. Only time will tell I suppose
@@AudiomoMusic it’s true it’s about the right time, and there are chances the offset trend will be already gone in 4 years, cause we can already see the grunge/shoegaze trend is already starting to fade, for the emo / 00s / nu metal revival with humbucker guitars and big amp stacks
You can get the MIJ 60s jaguar (only one option) here in Australia for less than the Vintera II. Jags look best with all the chrome and a dark fingerboard.
Chrome plates are quite expensive, but my best guess is that they go for the bare minimum, and also they want to milk out as much as they can, I mean profit wise.
Yep, it's all money driven thanks to penny pinchers designing guitars and not guitarists anymore, but to think they went out of their way not to route the body underneath like all of the other Mexican Jaguars is just silly.
@@AudiomoMusic I have the older player series mexico jag, the top is routed, but there's no room for rhythm circuit. You can choose if you want to stick to the coil split or install in 'n out phase. The problem is made way worse.
I remember there was a “lacquer” series with MIM guitars with nitro finishes. It was such a beast for the money. I’ve seen a very good deal on this one around 8 years ago and still regret not picking this one up. And they even had a road worn jags back in the day. MIM in late 00s and early 10s were really nice instruments. Baja tele is legendary at some point
I had one of those fiesta red lacquer MIM jags as a backup I brought to gigs in San Diego! I paid $600 for it new as a "dent and scratch" and it even had a hardshell case, and i ALSO had a baja 60's tele in sonic blue shortly after that! It is insane to me the steps backward Fender has taken since that era with the Mexican made guitars
Weird times, when the best option is to buy a CV Squier and upgrade the pickups and electrics, and optionally the trem and maybe the tuners. But i know most people won’t do this because they think having the word Squier on the headstock is a total non-starter. EDIT: That blue Japanese Jaguar is freaken *gorgeous*
I’ve done it three times on this channel and none of them stuck around. I’ve found it’s silly to buy and mod one to get basic things to the spec ( the bridge, vibrato, neck, all of the electronics ) when you can buy a new Japanese one that was built by people that give a damn about QC for the same price after everything has been upgraded on the Squier AND it will hold its value on top of being objectively superior as an instrument. Sadly if you take Fender Japan out of the equation, completely nuking a CV and building it from scratch is indeed one of the better options for the Western market.
I've never understood this. All I want is a regular Jaguar in player or player II form Edit to say with vintage correct custom colors and control layouts
They treat the Jag’s like the lefty’s. Which being left handed myself, means I’m equally screwed since the only option they have for lefty’s in Jags are the Mod Shop or Custom Shop. The MIJ FSR’s are like finding a needle in a haystack.
I have the Fender Japan Late 60s Traditional II like you used to have and there is no way I am selling it for the very reasons you mention about why won't Fender make a proper Jaguar. The Trad II has a 9.5 inch radius neck I believe and a real one would be 7.25 but that is okay, I accept it because the rest of the guitar is pretty accurate.
This is a well made, well said video. I haven’t bought a Fender guitar in years. Partially because of timing, partially because of issues like this. There’s something to be said with “Frankensteining” a guitar to your desires, tastes, and price point. But when I want certain classic models of guitars, I want them for their traditional features. Sure, I am not Johnny Marr, but guess what? I don’t play the same as him, don’t have the same issues or thoughts about my head as he does, and don’t need my traditional model of guitar to be based on his specs. I can mod my own if I really wanted too. I just had this same discussion with a friend about the Jim Root Jazzmaster. Is it a Jazzmaster if it has those humbuckers in it? Or is it just a Frankensteined offset? Especially with no rhythm circuit and definitely not with that bridge/trem system. Sure my short comment here is only a small part of the conversation, but I appreciate your well spoken thoughts on the issue. Otherwise I (and some others) will probably end up writing a book’s worth of comments on various social media posts about it!
That's a really good tangent you just went on with the frankensteining part of the equation... When the guitars were first released, they failed to meet the target audience so others although without modifying the guitar itself, modified the "intended usage" so instead of Jazz it was Surf. Decades later the Jaguar only came back to the mainstream again because of someone using it in their own modded and extremely unique way in the 90's. The idea of making something your own or finding a different use for it is an admirable one and has yielded some incredible music and guitar designs. That being said it shouldn't come at the cost of completely refusing to offer the original design to people especially given there is nothing objectively wrong or unstable about it. It can also be looked at as a blank canvas for others to make their own tweaks and minds about it, based on the original formula so to speak.
Some Fenders they add the logos before the lacquer, some they don't. Never had enough interest in the Marr to grab one in person to see but that's good to know
I agree Seems like Fender has no love for one of its coolest models . Wish they’d reissue a 60 ‘s Jaguar in Olympic white . Matching headstock of course !
Very nice hearing your opinion on the Jag Jim, the only "fender" I have is the Vintera II White with the black inlays just like my squire jazzmaster, I do have a squier Jaguar '60 s with the white headstock that I got from Sweetwater. I tend to use that more than the '70 V😁🎸 Nice video on the Jag in your opinion. Jim, keep rocking man 😎👍
I couldn't agree more. All very well said. I ended up buying a Vintera 2 70's that was B stock but I was really after an American version with a rosewood board. I do like my Vintera, it's the colour of custard!
Here in New Zealand our main guitar shop has a limited range of MIJ. I got a new Ice Blue FSR 70s Jaguar 33% off for $1999. A Vintera II Jag here retails for $3799 and Player series $1899. Still cant believe the deal..
I was so close to buying that guitar for much of last year for a similar sort of price. It just looks amazing. The only thing that held me back was the basswood body. I know Jim has spoken about it before and quite likes them, I'm still on the fence. Seems they are already discontinued, so I have some regret. However, I do have a JG '66 ('97) with antiquities and mastery bridge, so in reality that impacted my decision above. Happy playing - killer guitar. 😎👍
You all will probably skewer me, but I’m actually excited about the player ii jag. I currently have an olympic white mustang 90 (with the rosewood FB). These were $500 new when I bought it. I absolutely love it and fell in love with short scales. I’ve been wanting another short scale but with a trem. The AM Pro Jag or Mod shop jag has been on my radar for some time. I like the simplicity of the controls. But for me, the price is too much. I would totally buy a player ii jag and I dig some of the colors. I know I’m in the minority, but I’m also probably the exact type of person they are marketing to. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think there is anything wrong with liking the player ii or any of the other versions of Jaguars in the video, my problem is with Fender refusing to give the Jaguar the same vintage options they do with the Jazzmaster because they are more than capable of doing so and just won't do it.
yep- well fenders offset offerings have sucked for such a looooong time now. Buy used. Buy directly from kinko music. Just the way it is. I flying over there next year and will take a jm and a jag with me. Great video my man! New sub
As you may see from the video, I've been supporting that shop for a long time although they have their own side of this story as well which I think gets overlooked by people in the west that do order from them ( understandably so ). Lots of moving parts involved that could all be easily fixed by FMIC if they wanted to do it.
Just buy the American 65 reissue. Build quality is fine, standard pickups sound good, angled neck pocket means it has solid tuning/intonation even with the the standard bridge and 11s.
@AudiomoMusic Good to hear. I hope you have as much fun with it as I have with mine. Every so often fender get everything right and make a keeper, this is one of them👍
@tonykeyworth3522 the only USA fender I have never, ever considered selling is an AV65 Jazzmaster I gigged with for over a decade… due to the low supply it took a while to find a Jaguar from that series but I truly believe those are the last genuinely great guitars the company has made. Happy you have one too!
Im lucky in that im a 70s fanboy at heart so the Vinteras are right up my ally with the huge block inlays and flatter radius! I also have to admit the JM looks great on paper, i like the 4way and ill take Bareknuckles over Vmods allday!
Well in an ideal world, Vmods would not be offered on any reissue Jaguar and instead at the bare minimum they would reuse the pure vintage 65 pickups haha
If I could pick any custom color, IBM. I didn't go for the trad 60s because of the radius. I just ordered a used AV62 sunburst today. My "last" guitar.
@@AudiomoMusic studio has been slow but getting busy and I'm actually busy with 3 projects. Most of my time is devoted to guitar repair and maintenance. It was my hobby, but since the AI revolution I thought what can I do that AI can't so I converted the 1st floor of my rented home to a guitar maintenance shop.
My thoughts exactly. That is the reason I went with a 1999 CIJ in lake placid blue with Matching Headstock as my first jag. Fantastic instrument and very beautiful. That being said, I ended up getting a great deal on a new Johnny Marr, and it's also amazing. They are both Jags, yet are quite different in the way they feel and sound. Love them both!
In a perfect world, they'd just make both. i have no issues with Marr jaguar outside of the fact it's the only available US option outside of the custom shop. Happy you got lucky with two Jags!
@@AudiomoMusic I agree, Fender USA/Mexico having no options for a standard configuration Jaguar makes no sense to me, or the people that tell me that they like the look of the Jaguar but are put off by "too many switches and and knobs that are confusing." The classic Jag layout is awesome, very intuitive.
@@72chevelle530ss I think the people that say things like that have just never played a Jag & taken the 2 minutes it requires to figure it out. If you’re put off by 4 switches & 2 roller pots you may have some attention span issues you need to look into.
Except they aren’t remotely vintage spec. They are nyatoh bodies, laurel boards, wrong fret wire, modern radius on the neck. They are the best way to “look” like a vintage spec offset from far away that’s about it.
Dude even the Kurt Jaguar is entirely wrong. The fingerboard radius is 9.5 when the actual one was 7.25. Even though it likely was a custom/heavily modified neck, there’s no evidence that points to it being a 9.5 radius. Fender also did the same thing to J. Mascis signature guitars even though his was 7.25. The pickup placement is wrong. The original has the pickups very close up to the neck and the bridge, and it’s missing the extra strap button on the other horn. The tune-o-matic is wrong. It’s supposed to be black chrome with brass saddles. The bridge pickup should also be a JB. Yeah it had a super distortion when he originally got it, but he obviously changed it out for a JB for a reason. Even the fucking sunburst color and pick guard color are wrong! They couldn’t be bothered to put any work into the thing because they were too busy jerking each other off over how much money this shitty approximation of Kurt’s Jaguar would make them. There’s the same kind of problems with attention to detail on Fender’s Jag-Stang and Signature Mustangs as well. The mustangs never had the “Mustang” on the headstock, just Fender logos. The switches weren’t shortened, but filed all the way down. The pick guard colors and patterns on the sonic blue models are wrong, and the holes for the phase switches on the pick guard of his fiesta red mustang were rounded as it was a custom made piece. There was obviously no lake placid blue mustang with that set up (single coil-JB) and even as an “inspired-by” guitar the color is wrong and the headstock should match. Shit, the Jag-Stang’s don’t even come with the Texas Special and Seymour Duncan JB, just shitty fender pickups. The body shape is off, the pick guards are wrong, and so is the bridge. This is the kind of shit we should come to expect from Fender because this is what we’ve collectively allowed Fender to get away with. But hey who cares, we just want that sweet sweet Nirvana money! Fuck the fans. Fuck putting in the work to make accurate representations of iconic Fender guitars for a signature model. And most of all, fuck making these guitars for a reasonable price, we need to bleed our customers dry and then make it limited run so the resale market is even more outrageously expensive.
I actually dig it, however, the new Squier Affinity Jaguar coming out is essentially the same thing as this new player series. I do wish they would bring back the contemporary jaguar with a TOM style bridge. That bridge with Jaguar pickups would be my cup of tea. I wish fender would bring back the toronado too.
Might just be, but on the other hand maybe I'm a fool and they're on pace for another record year of sales against all the odds . Anything is possible haha
I had a Vintera Jaguar in Ocean Turquoise with tort guard for like 8 days... That is my only experience with a Jag. The vibrato was garbage. The Pau Ferro was dry and ugly. The neck had a thick gloss and thin shape. I did like how it looked A LOT, and the sound was pretty usable. I luckily got almost all my money back as I found someone locally who was interested. One of the quickest times where I bought and resold a guitar right away. I just knew it wasn't for me... I think...that sonic blue Jaguar is one of the most BEAUTIFUL guitars I have ever seen. Tell me it's staying. If not, I will give you my parent's address in the US so you can ship it to them for me. 🤣
Yeahhh agree on everything. I’m no where near a traditionalist when it comes to guitars I prefer a 9.5 radius with narrow frets. The 7.25 kinda screws me up a bit. But to be honest fender jags that we can buy are super boring. I go with a Sherwood green with black pickguard jag or Jazzmaster any day of the week. I’ve been on the market for a jaguar for awhile the squiers sound great but every single one I’ve played can’t hold tuning or is never set up in the shop it really turns me away from buying any of them. Personally I’m a Jazzmaster guy but having a jag would be sick for layering tracks and using it for leads.
the reason they all dont look like a true jaguar is because they want you to pay the premium to have the Fender logo+ classic look, you come to a certain age and you want your guitar to look and feel the part and they just arent gonna give you that for 800 euros. Kids are just gonna get a Squier or perhaps some used mex. I'd say buy a used vintera online for the price of a new player II. Mod later if you feel like it or sell for the same price.
I have no idea why fender is doing the bare minimum with the Jaguar, makes no sense. I would like to see a SHerwood green , rosewood fretboard Jaguar widely available for sure
What I don’t understand is why they make several versions the models they do but refuse to give people what they want - such as a Sherwood green reissue. I also loooove that color
Honestly it’s because they’re just going to get sold for Johnny Marr Jaguar lol That’s the holy grail Jag
@@AudiomoMusicthey already did the ocean turquoise lately (since most frusciante lovers have always mistaken his sherwood for an OT in the under the bridge videoclip, they were super happy)
Fender has no real competition for Jags.
PRS Silver Sky is putting strats under pressure but Fender is the only show in town for jags and jazzmasters.
So if you don’t like their cheap jags - yes you have to go up to a Johnny Marr etc
I would buy a Vintera Jag in Sherwood green in a heartbeat as long as it has rosewood. Been waiting for years for that one.
Finally. Someone called this out.
Hopefully the rumors about an AV ii jag that have been floating since even before the release of the entire series come true at some point.
Literally was just in the market for a jag, but when I get a guitar I want it to be the way it was designed…am going with a custom builder who will make me a nitro finished jag any color I want rather than waiting on fender anymore
I live in Japan. The FSRs are often limited to as low as 10. I think many of the people who buy them are living overseas.
Yep, which also impacts Japanese customers. Fender USA's lack of supply to the west for desirable Jaguars hurts the domestic Japanese players ability to get the guitars that were meant for them in the first place. It's all so ridiculous and easy to fix but they won't do it.
And many of these FSRs went to oversea scalpers for reselling at ridiculously high prices.
This player 2 series is sad for the jag. Fender doesn't understand its like enjoying cruising around in an old classic with tons of chrome. Switches, and style.
@@AudiomoMusic i imported one from japan for less than the cost of American and Mexican and it came in 3 days with no customs costs. i feel like yall are stuck in the past. The Japanese models aren't like out of stock or anything they've been restocked a ton of times already this year.
I’ve imported countless and am aware of the prices… you are also speaking to people in this particular comment that live IN Japan, they also know.
The boy's pissed. And who could blame him.
I'm not angry, I'm disappointed hahahaha
Great video man. I’m so glad you started this conversation. I, and evidently so many others, have been thinking the exact same thing. Hoping a Jaguar joins the American Vintage II series soon 🤞🤞
One can hope they do it, but at this point I'm not holding my breathe as they've teased this for over two years now
Even after 60 years it’s not getting enough love
One day man, one day.
If Fender isn't going to do anything cool for the Jags here, then they might as well make the MIJ ones available here for the US domestic market. But we both know that's not going to happen, justice for the Jag, Fender, come on!!
I don't think it's logistically possible for Fender Japan to increase production to a number that would satisfy the demands of the US market without sacrificing quality control and other production Quotas they have. The other thing that we all know would happen is they would be marked up by a minimum of 50% if some new ones were sold here in the US which wouldn't really fix anything
@@AudiomoMusicFlipping for profit has ruined the used guitar market, each new flipper expects more than they paid
Flipping has existed since the instrument was first released, the flippers just had a store front where the buyer could come in and see it first. Again, it’s down to the buyers. Buyers regularly spending 2 grand on these guitars from shops when they cost about a grand to begin with gave shops the green light to continue and also buy more inventory. If the buyers didn’t spend the two grand in the first place, it wouldn’t have become the norm. It also allowed others in the know the then get the same guitars and undercut the bigger stores who created these norms. All of this was enabled because buyers willingly chose to pay the asking prices and some still do. It is what it is.
@@AudiomoMusic But those shops also bore the brunt of the customer service end of the business, today's sellers just have to say "as-is no returns" and if you buy sight-unseen you have no recourse
@jasondorsey7110 which is the exact same policy that anyone gets when they order from Japan directly to get the guitars in the states or UK. Trust me, I get where you’re coming from but there is a lot to this whole thing.
I share your concerns. I ended up scoring an FSR in Sherwood Green (rosewood, bound neck, 7.25 neck radius, etc.) in late 2023 from Kinko Music and absolutely love it; in total it cost me $1207 USD. Your videos introduced me to this series and led me down the path to figuring out how to order one of these successfully. Thank you.
It makes me happy to know I have helped people like yourself discover guitars like that and at the original prices available. If you ever want to sell it let me know, of all the runs I missed the Sherwood green was also my favorite haha
Dude, I just want to say thank you for all your content. Before finding your channel I wound up buying the player ii jaguar. Upon setting it up with 11's and playing around with it, I realized I was not truly happy with the quality and lack of features overall. I typically play my 90s mik epiphone rivieras and am more used to their 40mm nut width and neck shape, for my leads and rhythms. I learned a lot watching your videos and I just ordered a MIJ 60s traditional jaguar on ebay, I'm so stoked for it! Tomorrow I'll be heading to guitar center to return the player ii jag lol. Anyway, thanks again! You have earned a new subscriber, keep up the great work! 👊😎
Man that's wild and humbling, I'm happy to have helped you find one of those. Which color did you end up buying and did you get it yet?
@@AudiomoMusic I got the 3-tone sunburst. It should be arriving sometime in the next 7-10 days. I can't wait! 🙌
Fantastic video as ever, and a great tangent. Here’s hoping fender do put these in the next vintage line at the very least (probably won’t be long until vintage 3 line I imagine so fingers crossed they are finally added)
And I feel your pain- Gibson often post ‘which is your fav from the original collection lineup’ with no Firebird even pictured (guessing as they stopped making them but it was still part of the collection and original release) - is funny how some guitars get very little love (and annoying they’re often my favourites 😂)
The poor firebird gets treated even worse than the Jaguar 🥲
@@AudiomoMusic yeah it really does - get its divisive but its also a guitar with a lot of interesting history and a growing following but hey, very very grateful I have mine at least :)
For the vintera iii series, they should bring back the musicmaster and bullet guitars and basses
@@IanNorsworthy phil manzanera
"Just not pay" and "Prices will correct themselves" are the best piece of advice in any context of spending money in something not essential.
I'm in hunt for my first Jag. I play mostly Mustangs and Strats. I've found a used, pretty beat up AVRI 62 Jag and played it a bit plugged and unplugged - great tone, great playability but kinda on the heavy side and also worth mentioning it has no case, not sure if the mute is working properly and no tags too.
The owner would get my Mexican Mustang Pawn Shop and some more money (with this amount I could buy a new Squier Jag Classic Vibe). Neck is not as thin as any of my Mustangs (vintage 65, Pawn shop Japan and Mexico, Char) feels a bit bigger is there any Jags with thinner necks? Vintage only? Would you say it is a good deal? Thanks!
How much extra cash are we talking about on top and what's the finish of the AV62?
@@AudiomoMusic the amount could buy a new Squier CV Jag (here in my country) and the finish is a sunburst!
The guitar itself is around USD2100 and I'd return around USD1000 to him in money
I was watching this waiting for the Fender Japan moment. I love my 90’s CIJ jag.
It was inevitable, Fender Japan are the only ones trying with the Jaguar imho.
I think the reason why the Jaguar is not manufactured in the USA is because it does not sell well, this is what some distributors have told me in the country where I live, which is why most of them only bring Stratocasters or Telecasters to the country. The Jaguar is usually a person's third or fourth guitar, I think you buy a Stratocaster, Telecaster and Les Paul first. Also the lack of famous/popular guitarists who use the Jaguar as their main guitar on stage would be another reason. Cheers Jim!
@@omarfranco8426 weird, cause a Japanese after import taxes is comparable to an American price wise. Why wouldn't we just buy the one made here? Oh that's right, they still wanna pretend all the new guitarists are buying Telecaster and Stratocaster or that old hat musicians are attracting new players to these two models, they aren't, but Fender cannot change. It only deletes or fucks things up now. I been faithless in them since the 90's, when they completely threw the last genre to mean anything and organically change the entire entertainment scene under the bus making ZERO EFFORT, to reissue during the grunge years. What a fuckin miserable bustard of a company. I hope they get sold, management has been stupid for years about what we want, the way we want it. See the Vintera 2 Mustangs, note they are NOT matching headstock, and are the 73' model, not the 69', the only one of the bunch we ASKED FOR FOR DECADES.
Fender should hire you to design these year over year changes...
Perhaps but I don’t think it’s very likely haha
Based on what experience designing guitars? Oh just because he wants a vintage correct jag? 🤦🤦🤦
@@J.C... 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Why won't Fender make a proper Jaguar reissue? my guess, $. fender knows they might sell a lil less because of lack of controls but the savings of the parts far out way selling a few less in quantity.
It’s like the AM Fender Performer Mustang. There are no in/out phase slide switches; a defining feature. Why?
Yeah right?! I'd want the switches
They don’t like short scale guitars 🥲
What a beautiful Jaguar that is, I must say I'm jealous of that matching headstock and the color is superb. As you know Jags got discontinued and used to be on the resale market for cheap. A lot of players like Cobain would modify them significantly which brought back the popularity but also confused Fender it seems. They're on a mission to fix something that wasn't broken by "modernizing" whatever they can. Although I did like the original Player Series I just don't understand anything about this new offering other than the rosewood. The pickups aren't even Jaguar pickups. Your observations about the used market now on these things speaks volumes.
What's the deal with that green LP special back there on the rack. Is that a factory color or mod shop or just a refin
That’s not a Gibson, that’s a Japanese Schecter LP-SP that came with that finish.
@@AudiomoMusic oh ok looks cool.
You *certainly* aren't the only one feeling this way about Jags bro! That blue japanese model you have is absolutely beautiful 😍😍 I, on the other hand, am one of the people who absolutely adores the maple board on the vintera II... that's on my wish list. You're right about the colour choices though, i don't mind white... real white... that vintage egg shell almost off white sickly cream colour is not at all my colour. One of the first guitars i ever bought was a Squier Vintage Modified Jag, White, (real white) with a tortoise shell guard. Soooooooo nice. But I sold her to a friend... I wish i had kept it. 😒
Great video, agree with everything you said. I recently got a Classic Vibe 70’s Jaguar and I love it, though I don’t know what to compare it to cause I’ve never even held a Fender. I wish the Player 2 Jaguar had the chrome and vintage controls. I would buy one of those in that Hialeah Yellow for sure. I love your passion for these guitars it’s contagious, keep up the great work.
what about the Nash JG63, is that a viable alternative?
I’m sure to some people absolutely, all depends if you want the bigger fret wire, flatter radius, and relicing. They get the hardware and electronics right either way
Wait, what about the Vintera 60s Jag? i thought it was nearly all period correct down to the fretboard radius
The vintera 60s jag was discontinued over a year ago and pau ferro is repulsive
I think the Squire Classic vibe Jags have been great! But I think I’ve decided mod a thinline tele into a jazzy/jag trem, instead of getting an offset
The fact that "get a mod shop" guitar is floated as a way to get a Jaguar in its classic form is very sad. Fender loves to flaunt its legacy, and them not offering the most attractive form of a pre-CBS jaguar in either Vintera or American Vintage II boggles the mind, especially in the latter case. Let's say that okay, they don't want to offer options for MIM guitars because they want to push buyers towards MIA, then at least make the Vintage II line truly representative of the best of classic Fender.
Oh it always makes me laugh when people tell me to just "go to the mod shop" because they have clearly never looked at the Jaguars options on the mod shop to see it's not the answer to any of the requests a lot of players want. Awesome, I can get a modern spec'd guitar in Plum Metallic then replace all of the electronics with stuff I'd actually want and be 2300+ in the hole for a poly finished guitar... Make it make sense
Thing is also, if they want to push people towards MIA then why bother having MIM or Squier? The choice is there for Classic Vibe Strats, Teles and JMs, so players aren’t being pushed towards MIA for those, it’s just not for Jags
Not having basic options like non-marr electronics in the mod shop is a crime, let alone there not being binding/inlay choices and an option for painted headstocks or more than one pickup choice. They're REALLY dropping the ball here, regardless if they're trying to push people towards custom shop or not
The Johnny Marr Jaguar, which I have, suffers from a miss manufactured StayTrem imitation bridge. I took it to my local luthier, because both E strings were slipping off the neck. We looked it up, and it is a known problem. One of the main selling points of the guitar, and they screwed it up. 😊
So if you buy one of these, just be aware that you still may have to replace the bridge with a StaytYem or a Mastery, even though it comes with a bridge that is supposed to make that unnecessary. 😄
They actually fixed it in 2018. The original Marrs had the incorrect string spacing which leads to the strings being too close to the edges. It took Fender over 6 years for them to fix something that should have been caught in the R&D period and that says a lot about how little they put into the actual production process.
Loving my 60s American Original jaguar that I bought 2022. My local finnish guitar shop had installed 11. gauge strings. I think originally that had 10., but 11. is working too good. Most likely my favorite guitar, liking even bit more that Marr's Jaguar that I also have. Marr Jaguar is great but american original feels bit more Jaguar. Rythm circuit is great, liking the 3 switch toggle and no issues with the jaguar bridge. Planning to get 3rd jaguar and try lollar pickups for it.
Lollar make great stuff, big fan of their pickups for every Fender honestly. Happy to hear you enjoy the more traditional style Jag - there's absolutely nothing wrong with it imho just a lot of user error from people that don't understand how they work.
@@AudiomoMusicWhile Marr jaguar is great, the 4 position switch and mustang bridge definitely feels quite artificial. Forgot that American Original had one fun problem, had to set tremolo screws upside down or E-strings would break. Hope to find Japanese Jaguar some day.
You skipped the vintera1 jag. It came with a pau ferro fingerboard, but aside from that and a poly finish, its supposed to be similar to a 62'.
I didn’t skip it, it’s no longer in production
I got one in Coral Red and it's a lot of fun to play and sounds great. I like vintage spec (and miss the extra chrome) but this has it's own vibe. My only complaint is that it's a lil heavy. Appreciate the video.
I actually don't have a problem with the Player ii or any Jaguar in the video ( minus the Cobain that is a mess haha ), my problem is their refusal to offer this many Jaguars without offering a single proper vintage spec one like they do for the Jazzmaster.
@ yeah those were definite choices re: the Cobain. I agree completely, we need more Jags. They rule. If it means that I need get another then I will gladly make that sacrifice.
American Original 60s and AVRI 62s are tough to find in more desirable colors. You're going to pay $2K+ for those models because they are vintage spec and have nitro finish, but realistically Fender is not going to charge any less than that for a vintage spec production model so I don't think there's any reason to wait on it. Best thing I did on mine is add a Halon bridge with brass saddles. Magic. Highly recommended.
They didn't make nearly as many custom color runs for the AO line compared to the original AV's which makes those even a bit harder for people that want the modern radius but man... the models I'm most interested in - the fsr thin skin 65 jaguar or one of the limited edition thin skin 62 reissues are either out of this world expensive ( 3k-5k) or go months without being listed. Happy you got what you wanted, never tried the Halon bridge that's good to hear
I'm with you. I'm currently in the process of building my dream jag, which I need to do through parts. It's going to be a 70s-ish spec build, with some fun outside the box and/or blasphemous things. I love the look of the rosewood, but I've always felt a better connection with maple fretboards and I love the feel of raw wood, so I'm doing my first roasted maple neck guitar. I have a cheap one now I'm working with, but planning to eventually get a Warmoth roasted maple neck with black blocks and binding, vintage small frets, and probably a 9.5 radius to better jive with the rest of my parts. I think the darker color of the roasted maple will help it sit a bit more close to rosewood visually compared to normal maple. I plan to paint the headstock, so sanding and painting it won't be painful like doing the same to an old neck or USA neck. I have an AVRI trem and an american pro bridge (seems to be the staytrem copy), a vintera 60s body in factory sunburst, and it'll have vintage spec wiring. I'll be painting a thin nitro sherwood green with a tinted amber clear over the current sunburst, which will hopefully wear really nicely over time. Tort pickguard, which I had never been too sold on before, but I think looks ultra good with the sherwood green. I'm also considering checking the finish, since realistically I don't think that will actually happen naturally.
Jaguars have always been one of my favorite guitars and I'm SUPER excited for this project. I just got enough parts to have something playable and it's been so fun. I feel like jags are becoming more and more popular these days and that Fender would start selling a ton more if they'd just start painting those damn headstocks!
I was waiting to hear your take on the PSII Jaguar. I'm super disappointed that they didn't include the rhythm circuit and at this point I'm probably going to have to buy a Squier CV Jag and put the new PSII rosewood neck on it once they're available.
Edit: I'd want either a Sherwood Green, Shell Pink, or Lake Placid Blue Jaguar. I adore the UA-camr Nisebelle's blue Jaguar. You should check her out if you never have!
It's something a lot of people do, I did it on a CV. Replaced everything except the body... in the end it wasn't exactly what I wanted and sold it. Just kinda sucks we have to go through that much effort to make something that should be offered from Fender on a regular basis.
I want a Sherwood Green jag like you wouldn’t believe. Looks fantastic!
@@AudiomoMusic I actually rewatched your video on that a couple days ago and thought it looked like more work than it was worth but it's the only way to get a brand new traditional Jaguar setup for under $1000. It's too bad yours still didn't end up what you wanted.
I'm a sucker for dark fretboards so I don't have any interest in the Vintera II line either. I think Fender's Professional II lineup is overpriced but I'd probably buy a Jaguar from that line if they'd just make it. The Marr is cool but I'm not a 7.25" radius guy. I've been looking at '90s Jags and Japanese ones but it's almost impossible to find the colors (Sherwood Green or Shell Pink) I want.
I put a Vintera neck on a shell pink Squier body with AVRI hardware and pickups and it looks and plays way over what it cost me!
Yes, we've had this convo a bit but I did end up returning the Japanese one that was a pretty recent issue and still had likely some the same issues here... BUT also I didn't see too many overtly essential upgrades the MIM one I have except that you would prefer the brighter pickups and probably not mind the Fiesta "Red" [meh pink] but the GC guys also could not figure out what whammy bar actually should fit the thing, either.
Like I said before, I think the Squier sounds about the same as MIM and plays mostly well enough for a casual enthusiast BUT would definitely need fret work right out the box. I also don't know whom else might make a custom one that could rival or best that I could afford or if Fender is still worth investigating eventually, but the ones I've seen used are a smidge too pricey when I don't know if there's any hidden flaws, etc.
Also, we seem to be in shrinking minority of people who consider the rhythm circuit even good, much less essential. It's a confusing world? I think the Jazzmaster players had more t' do with this, but the circuit still standard on all JMs, right??????
You could get the guitar routed easily enough to add circuitry, I'm sure. Probably wouldn't be as cost effective as I'd like to spend on feature that should be standard, but I asked a tech guy about chambering for Telecaster and he kind of missed the point about the usual honeycomb designs and was saying that it was mostly done under the pickguard and likely wouldn't lighten the body as much as I had hoped, so same procedure but for different reason. We didn't really get into specifics about price at the time, so I can't quote anything very accurate here now.
Yeah, the black and white V2 left me cold, although I didn't think the block neck looked as bad as some critics because the Squire has block inlays but with a dark fingerboard and the edge binding that usually Fender is always just the dots, so gets redundant.
I don't know if there's any difference from the 60s to 70s sound, but most people consider anything past '64 the crap CBS years or something already?
I think this every day.
I have an MIJ Jaguar (97-99) Love it. It’s my main guitar. Bought on reverb for 1200 two years ago. Got delivered to me in like four days. No big deal. There’s usually 20 good ones to choose from on any given day for 1200-1500.
I agree it would be awesome to Fender Japan stuff in our shops here in the US - or even better - for Fender US to make better stuff (as you stress here) but Reverb has made getting stuff from far away super easy.
Even better is skipping reverb entirely and getting the same guitars from Japan for well under a grand 😁
It’s just sad that’s the only viable and consistent option. All the AVRIs are priced to the moon unless they are beaten to death or three tone sunburst.
why send japan models to u.s? why not send mediocre u.s. models to u.s. shops which sell for more and make fender more money? all the while not paying tariffs. sad but true, fender's #1 priority is money, not the guitar player
it doesnt even have to be about being vintage correct. the rhythm circuit is a core part of what the JM and Jag offer
Honestly, so is the strangle. A lot of people don't realize how it is a staple of surf music and even in country for a time in the 60's and 70's. Those two features are part of what make the Jaguar the Jaguar indeed
I bought Marr Jaguar used for 1000 euro and deMarred it using my 50th anniv US Jaguar, now it looks like 60s one and I really like it, even tho it doesn’t come out on stage very often…
1000 euro used I'd likely have done the same thing, new pricing is wild for a mod project
Great GREAT video. Only time they remotely even thought about it was the Johnny Marr Jaguar, and that guitar is a little off of the beaten path for Jaguars.
Honestly, I would say it's Fender's R&D team probably attempting to avoid a repeat of the model's inception run by reissuing Jaguars without the original obscure design features - features which ironically give the Jaguar it's character. And while Fender can dodge that very same bullet with the Jazzmaster (i.e. the Squier J Mascis, which was put out with P-90 pickups was a remarkably versatile yet popular guitar) it's just wildly reluctant to with regard to the Jaguar, success of the Player Series model aside
It's fascinating isn't it? I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the board room where they make the decisions on these things.
@@AudiomoMusic Legitimately quite fascinating - you and me both on that. Other than Fender litigating business decisions from *1962* (which is insane given that the 90's happened lol) literally every argument you present in this video is air-tight and it makes zero sense to reissue something that is iterative of the idea instead of the genuine article. Fender, amirite lol
How do y'all jag lovers change positions quickly? Sincerely asking. I dont mind the look of the sliders, but two movments for a single position change, I just find it an odd dance. It's kept me from gigging it.
Honestly, the same way I do on mustangs. You play one long enough you just get the muscle memory to do it quick. I can’t stand the blades on jags cus I’m so used to the sliders on short scale fenders haha
They will if you order and spec it out via the mod shop ( even for lefties).
The rhythm circuit, toggle switches, matching headstocks, and pickups I’m talking about in this video are not selectable options on the mod shop design site, and the last time I emailed about it they told me the options they had were all they offered at the time but to always look out for updates…
@@AudiomoMusic maybe the custom shop (at a price)!
You nailed it with the Blue Jaguar at the end of the video.
Fender Japan nailed it to be fair, I just knew where to find it before it there
The Japanese line of traditional ii is kind of what you want but you have to arrange to import one. They look like amazing guitars
I've had several of those both production and FSR models, some of the hybrids, and numerous older MIJ and CIJ jags over the years. They are absolutely what is missing here in the market.
Well, I know where I'll be visiting next time I'm over in Tokyo! No Jags here in HK, plenty of everything else (and I mean PLENTY!). I would love a good original AND a Johnny Marr - the mods he did with Fender make perfect sense for my style of playing, but I really do want an original . . . we'll see. Thanks for the vid - didn't know it was as bad as this but had noticed a lack of Jags when I checked Fender and a few big dealers online.
So are the Player II models the best sub $1k offsets here in the US, compromises and all?
I'd still say no honestly Rex, it's well worth the effort of buying one from Japan that will cost roughly a grand to your door for a regular model. Far better made and spec'd instruments.
I have a 64 all original Jaguar, recently got a CME Blue sparkle Squire jaguar, it’s awesome, has a mustang bridge but it actually works great.
I have a made in Japan E series 84-87’ jaguar that is absolutely the best jaguar I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned quite a few
Never, ever, ever sell that guitar. You really lucked out with that one
I have a 2010 classic player jag that I absolutely adore. My favorite guitar ever. I know the trem is placed differently, and the bridge is different…. But I feel like the classic player REALLY captures everything I love about the jaguar.
I also have a 1st gen “player” HS jag that I love too, but the large pick guard annoys the fuck out of me. It reminds me of a lot of the affinity squire’s. It had the same “we removed all the bells and whistles” vibe. Lucky gen 1 IS routed for a rhythm circuit, but I actually prefer the coil tap that’s there instead. I definitely want to get a plate for it to make it look more like a proper jag.
Great video! FMIC took over Fender Japan LTD in 2015. It's now officially called Fender Music Corporation (Japan), but some Japanese Fenders are still exclusive to Japan, so maybe not much change in availability
That light blue jag could be the nicest guitar I’ve ever seen
It is indeed a beaut, I have it listed for sale now as I'm going to try to fund an actual vintage Jaguar and call it a day so I don't need to rely on Fender to make anything new at this point
I think a 3-tone burst Jag is THE Jag, but I know some people like the custom colors and the matching headstock so Lake Placid Blue is cool too. There are some recent artists using Jags, Kurt Vile (tuned up to F standard), and Courtney Barnett (though she plays a lefty Cobain model). One of the guitar playing twins in The National had an LPB Jag with matching headstock as well.
I think the issue is Fender isnt looking to win over the offset fans with these guitars. They are looking to get people who play strats, telecasters, and les pauls with something different but not too different. Fender seems to hate their original offset designs and the ayers who love them. The guitars didnt sell well in the 50s and 60s and thus are viewed as failures and Fender doesnt want to take a risk on them. Similar to Gibson refusing to reissue Norlin era guitars and specs.
I feel your frustration brother!.
Fender are all over the shop with regards to historic accuracy, even the custom shop get features completely wrong?.
Fender Japan have always done it right!.
They make very few custom shop Jaguars annually, it's sad the majority are relics and have modern neck specs but at least it's something I guess... for the rest of us there is Fender Japan haha
It's always been Fender Japan, even before F.J was a thing!.
I've got a lot of love for Tokai and Greco.
You have to try a Galanti Grand Prix, a classic 60's Italian twist on the off-set shape and fantastic pickups!.
Fender Japan mostly is good, but some of their pickups have not been the greatest, mind you I have some but not jaguars and they sound good; most of the guitars are poly not Nitro, some of the hardware could be a bit better also?
@mohamedtlass3842
Granted the electronics are not the best but the craftsmanship of the guitars themselves is excellent.
Pick ups and pots can always be changed.
Maybe the Jag just doesnt sell as much as other offsets, so there less need for fender to do it 'right'?
I can understand why the player 2 series isn't vintage correct though. It's entry level stuff. However the vintera 2 Jag offerings are indeed very limited. Good shout!
When they did the 60th anniversary Jaguars they sold out within days of being listed and a lot of people were angry they made so few. Fender said not to worry because they would be making vintage spec models for the Jaguar in full production shortly - that was 2 years ago.
Hit the nail on the head. Fender has their head where the sun don't shine on this one.
nonsense, i've been told this was nothing but a clickbait video
Why won't Fender make a proper Jaguar reissue? my guess, $. fender knows they might sell a lil less because of lack of controls but the savings of the parts far out way selling a few less in quantity.
I like the ocean turquoise with plain white plate. Though i also like the squire blue sparkle fsr 70s vibe with matching headstock.
I agree with you so much on this. It's so infuriating that Fender has decided to treat the Jaguar this way. I own a '66 Jag and have been looking to get a comparable re-issue as my second guitar, and while there are countless reissues of Teles, Strats, and even Jazzmasters, with true vintage specs, there's nothing I've seen for the Jag.
I just can’t understand the decision making from Fender USA.
You got me curious about recent Fender Jaguar versions. Isn't there the original Vintera that was more the original 60s /custom colour style? I've seen one in Ocean Turquoise with the matching headstock and tort pickguard and it looks great for under 1k. And it's Pau Ferro board, not the 70s maple, which I'm personally fine with. There's a Surf Green version too, without the coloured headstock. They don't look as dark, but they play really nicely. I have original Vintera I Telecaster and Stratocaster in Seafoam, and they're two of my better guitars, especially once the Strat was professionally setup (Telecaster was perfect).
I got one of the Fender Classic 60s Lacquer Jaguars with the rosewood fingerboard on fb marketplace. It was a really good reissue with the only difference to my eyes being the non-locking tremolo system, which is easily replaced. Fender needs to bring that line back. No other affordable Jaguar is nearly as "correct" as that one to my knowledge.
everything in fact! Finding a new canonical Jaguar is very difficult now; there are many guitars on the used market with different bridges, pickups, tuners, guitars that are 20-30 years old. I recently picked up a Fender 2021 Traditional II 60s Jaguar Matching Head Black Japan, almost new, very happy about it, the Japanese really care about Jags p.s. In my country the import is closed, it is very difficult to order guitars, so things are even worse(
So bummed I didn’t grab the olive when they had American standard run in like 2019 or something. I have no Jag in my collection! I’ll either buy a used olive or build a jag-caster
Great video calling out the lack of Jaguars...I did a similar video a year ago or so. I think I have a more optimistic opinion on the current models though. Yes, the Player II Jaguar has no rhythm circuit (or routing) and is lacking 2/3 chrome plates, BUT at least Fender actually designed new pickups AND they're actual Jaguar pickups! It's also not aimed at the vintage Jag fans. The Vintera II isn't that bad IMO, maple is kinda sick, and the vintage white is pretty cool looking. Black is boring.
The lack of American Jaguars IS a problem...but I think it's a symptom of poor sales. Consistently, the Jaguar undersells the Stratocaster, Telecaster, and Jazzmaster. So, Fender just doesn't want to spend R&D money on them if no one is buying. It's too bad that the Japanese Fenders aren't available to us.
Fender sold out of the 60th anniversary jags within days of them being listed ( the actual jaguars not the black one that was nothing like a Jaguar ) and went on record saying not to worry to those that missed out as there would be similar vintage specd American ones available for everyone “soon”. Over two years later and nothing has changed. It’s also worth remembering at the time those were released, there were still some American Original Jaguars available on a regular basis both new and used so it’s not like there was a big gap between production as there is today. In an ideal world they’d add it to the AV ii line but they make strange bets financially on models or gear that has zero following or demand so I can’t understand their logic at times. It is what it is
You are right about Fender Japan. I just got two. I got the FSR Inca Silver Jaguar. I also just got a limited run Cyclone. Both guitars are awesome. Build quality is fantastic. I spent a little too much on the Jaguar through a reseller. However, I ordered the Cyclone over a broker on ebay and it was only $1,150 (including tax) with free shipping. This is all to say that they are doing it right in Japan and anyone thinking about buying directly from there really should not hessitate.
I've been saying it for years, that's where the value and quality are if you're into Fender guitars. It's a tall ask to order something blind and I understand why some are hesitant to do it but man, all it takes it that first one to show up and you think "why haven't I been doing this for years?" haha
@@AudiomoMusic For sure man. Just like you said, when you get that first one out of the way you are hooked.
Totally agree! It is so frustrating to be a Jaguar fan these days. First of all... don't put Jaguar on the headstock unless it has all the chrome plates! It is the one of the main things that sets it apart from other Fender offerings. I have been waiting for over a decade for Fender to put out a Sherwood green Jag (hopefully with matching headstock). I would even be happy if it was a Squier Classic Vibe Jag, which I am shocked they haven't refreshed the colors on in years.
IF I were interested in a MIJ Jaguar what is the best site to shop? Thx
Mike & Mike’s Guitar Bar has a great selection. Typically charge a premium for their guitars but they only stock really nice pieces.
do not listen to this guy, MM guitar bar is the last place to buy from and they are by far the most expensive.
I recommend going to digimart.net - then finding one you like and start sending emails. All the info you will need is on that site. I’m not going to endorse the other shop mentioned or any shop in the US if price is your number one concern.
@@AudiomoMusic Thanks, I did check out Mike and Mikes and they are not shy on their pricing!!
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I think they change overtime, they’re probably gonna come with a vintera 2 jaguar 60s specs overtime. And they also sometime do traditionnal MIJ available sometimes
Yeah it's just about being in the right place at the right time. For full model refreshes we have 4 total years in each life cycle, so the next vintera refresh will be a ways off unless they do a mid life release for a rosewood version. Only time will tell I suppose
@@AudiomoMusic it’s true it’s about the right time, and there are chances the offset trend will be already gone in 4 years, cause we can already see the grunge/shoegaze trend is already starting to fade, for the emo / 00s / nu metal revival with humbucker guitars and big amp stacks
what colour is the second telecaster on the left in the rack?
that'd be Flamingo Pink, a Japan exclusive color
You can get the MIJ 60s jaguar (only one option) here in Australia for less than the Vintera II. Jags look best with all the chrome and a dark fingerboard.
You're damn right about that
the Vintera II and Johnny Marr Jaguar are so sweet. I own and absolutely love them both.
Chrome plates are quite expensive, but my best guess is that they go for the bare minimum, and also they want to milk out as much as they can, I mean profit wise.
Yep, it's all money driven thanks to penny pinchers designing guitars and not guitarists anymore, but to think they went out of their way not to route the body underneath like all of the other Mexican Jaguars is just silly.
@@AudiomoMusic I have the older player series mexico jag, the top is routed, but there's no room for rhythm circuit. You can choose if you want to stick to the coil split or install in 'n out phase. The problem is made way worse.
yep
I remember there was a “lacquer” series with MIM guitars with nitro finishes. It was such a beast for the money. I’ve seen a very good deal on this one around 8 years ago and still regret not picking this one up. And they even had a road worn jags back in the day. MIM in late 00s and early 10s were really nice instruments. Baja tele is legendary at some point
I had one of those fiesta red lacquer MIM jags as a backup I brought to gigs in San Diego! I paid $600 for it new as a "dent and scratch" and it even had a hardshell case, and i ALSO had a baja 60's tele in sonic blue shortly after that! It is insane to me the steps backward Fender has taken since that era with the Mexican made guitars
Weird times, when the best option is to buy a CV Squier and upgrade the pickups and electrics, and optionally the trem and maybe the tuners. But i know most people won’t do this because they think having the word Squier on the headstock is a total non-starter. EDIT: That blue Japanese Jaguar is freaken *gorgeous*
I’ve done it three times on this channel and none of them stuck around. I’ve found it’s silly to buy and mod one to get basic things to the spec ( the bridge, vibrato, neck, all of the electronics ) when you can buy a new Japanese one that was built by people that give a damn about QC for the same price after everything has been upgraded on the Squier AND it will hold its value on top of being objectively superior as an instrument.
Sadly if you take Fender Japan out of the equation, completely nuking a CV and building it from scratch is indeed one of the better options for the Western market.
I've never understood this. All I want is a regular Jaguar in player or player II form
Edit to say with vintage correct custom colors and control layouts
Threw up in my mouth when I saw the first ad for the new Jag. WHAT DID THEY DO TO MY BOI.
Think someone there has a vendetta against jags honestly
They treat the Jag’s like the lefty’s. Which being left handed myself, means I’m equally screwed since the only option they have for lefty’s in Jags are the Mod Shop or Custom Shop. The MIJ FSR’s are like finding a needle in a haystack.
I have the Fender Japan Late 60s Traditional II like you used to have and there is no way I am selling it for the very reasons you mention about why won't Fender make a proper Jaguar. The Trad II has a 9.5 inch radius neck I believe and a real one would be 7.25 but that is okay, I accept it because the rest of the guitar is pretty accurate.
+1 for comp. mustangs without matching headstocks. Why Fender?
Only Japan gets that right
You can route anything you want, or get a good used one, in Gibson samething happens with the firebirds and flying Vs
The Vintera 2 is based on a maple cap and those pups are by far my favorite of any jaguar
This is a well made, well said video. I haven’t bought a Fender guitar in years. Partially because of timing, partially because of issues like this.
There’s something to be said with “Frankensteining” a guitar to your desires, tastes, and price point. But when I want certain classic models of guitars, I want them for their traditional features.
Sure, I am not Johnny Marr, but guess what? I don’t play the same as him, don’t have the same issues or thoughts about my head as he does, and don’t need my traditional model of guitar to be based on his specs. I can mod my own if I really wanted too. I just had this same discussion with a friend about the Jim Root Jazzmaster. Is it a Jazzmaster if it has those humbuckers in it? Or is it just a Frankensteined offset? Especially with no rhythm circuit and definitely not with that bridge/trem system.
Sure my short comment here is only a small part of the conversation, but I appreciate your well spoken thoughts on the issue. Otherwise I (and some others) will probably end up writing a book’s worth of comments on various social media posts about it!
That's a really good tangent you just went on with the frankensteining part of the equation... When the guitars were first released, they failed to meet the target audience so others although without modifying the guitar itself, modified the "intended usage" so instead of Jazz it was Surf. Decades later the Jaguar only came back to the mainstream again because of someone using it in their own modded and extremely unique way in the 90's.
The idea of making something your own or finding a different use for it is an admirable one and has yielded some incredible music and guitar designs. That being said it shouldn't come at the cost of completely refusing to offer the original design to people especially given there is nothing objectively wrong or unstable about it. It can also be looked at as a blank canvas for others to make their own tweaks and minds about it, based on the original formula so to speak.
@@AudiomoMusic exactly.
Minor FYI, but pulling the sticker of the signature off of the Marr Jaguar takes three seconds and is super easy. No sanding required.
Some Fenders they add the logos before the lacquer, some they don't. Never had enough interest in the Marr to grab one in person to see but that's good to know
I agree Seems like Fender has no love for one of its coolest models . Wish they’d reissue a 60 ‘s Jaguar in Olympic white . Matching headstock of course !
Gotta have the matching headstocks!!!!
Very nice hearing your opinion on the Jag Jim, the only "fender" I have is the Vintera II White with the black inlays just like my squire jazzmaster, I do have a squier Jaguar '60 s with the white headstock that I got from Sweetwater. I tend to use that more than the '70 V😁🎸 Nice video on the Jag in your opinion. Jim, keep rocking man 😎👍
I couldn't agree more. All very well said. I ended up buying a Vintera 2 70's that was B stock but I was really after an American version with a rosewood board. I do like my Vintera, it's the colour of custard!
Custard... now I can't unsee that hahaha
Here in New Zealand our main guitar shop has a limited range of MIJ. I got a new Ice Blue FSR 70s Jaguar 33% off for $1999. A Vintera II Jag here retails for $3799 and Player series $1899.
Still cant believe the deal..
Ya stole it, and you got a better guitar than the Vintera on top of a way better price. Love the neck on that FSR with the block inlays.
I was so close to buying that guitar for much of last year for a similar sort of price. It just looks amazing. The only thing that held me back was the basswood body.
I know Jim has spoken about it before and quite likes them, I'm still on the fence. Seems they are already discontinued, so I have some regret.
However, I do have a JG '66 ('97) with antiquities and mastery bridge, so in reality that impacted my decision above.
Happy playing - killer guitar. 😎👍
You all will probably skewer me, but I’m actually excited about the player ii jag. I currently have an olympic white mustang 90 (with the rosewood FB). These were $500 new when I bought it. I absolutely love it and fell in love with short scales. I’ve been wanting another short scale but with a trem. The AM Pro Jag or Mod shop jag has been on my radar for some time. I like the simplicity of the controls. But for me, the price is too much. I would totally buy a player ii jag and I dig some of the colors. I know I’m in the minority, but I’m also probably the exact type of person they are marketing to. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think there is anything wrong with liking the player ii or any of the other versions of Jaguars in the video, my problem is with Fender refusing to give the Jaguar the same vintage options they do with the Jazzmaster because they are more than capable of doing so and just won't do it.
id love a sherwood green jaguar with 62-64 specs. none of this modern component and feature cost cutting like the current MIM MIA jaguars
I like that Teal color the Jag comes in but it looks funky with that huge plastic guard.
Yep, they got that color and the coral red right on the player ii series in general imo
Great video Jim 🎉
Thanks 👍
yep- well fenders offset offerings have sucked for such a looooong time now. Buy used. Buy directly from kinko music. Just the way it is. I flying over there next year and will take a jm and a jag with me.
Great video my man! New sub
As you may see from the video, I've been supporting that shop for a long time although they have their own side of this story as well which I think gets overlooked by people in the west that do order from them ( understandably so ). Lots of moving parts involved that could all be easily fixed by FMIC if they wanted to do it.
Just buy the American 65 reissue. Build quality is fine, standard pickups sound good, angled neck pocket means it has solid tuning/intonation even with the the standard bridge and 11s.
I was finally able to find one about two weeks after posting this. Stock bridge works fine with 10-46
@AudiomoMusic Good to hear. I hope you have as much fun with it as I have with mine. Every so often fender get everything right and make a keeper, this is one of them👍
@tonykeyworth3522 the only USA fender I have never, ever considered selling is an AV65 Jazzmaster I gigged with for over a decade… due to the low supply it took a while to find a Jaguar from that series but I truly believe those are the last genuinely great guitars the company has made. Happy you have one too!
Im lucky in that im a 70s fanboy at heart so the Vinteras are right up my ally with the huge block inlays and flatter radius!
I also have to admit the JM looks great on paper, i like the 4way and ill take Bareknuckles over Vmods allday!
Well in an ideal world, Vmods would not be offered on any reissue Jaguar and instead at the bare minimum they would reuse the pure vintage 65 pickups haha
@@AudiomoMusic aint that the truth, Fender's thinking is hard to figure out at times.
If I could pick any custom color, IBM. I didn't go for the trad 60s because of the radius. I just ordered a used AV62 sunburst today. My "last" guitar.
Man it’s good to see you around again, how has everything been with the studio?
@@AudiomoMusic studio has been slow but getting busy and I'm actually busy with 3 projects. Most of my time is devoted to guitar repair and maintenance. It was my hobby, but since the AI revolution I thought what can I do that AI can't so I converted the 1st floor of my rented home to a guitar maintenance shop.
My thoughts exactly. That is the reason I went with a 1999 CIJ in lake placid blue with Matching Headstock as my first jag. Fantastic instrument and very beautiful.
That being said, I ended up getting a great deal on a new Johnny Marr, and it's also amazing. They are both Jags, yet are quite different in the way they feel and sound. Love them both!
In a perfect world, they'd just make both. i have no issues with Marr jaguar outside of the fact it's the only available US option outside of the custom shop. Happy you got lucky with two Jags!
@@AudiomoMusic I agree, Fender USA/Mexico having no options for a standard configuration Jaguar makes no sense to me, or the people that tell me that they like the look of the Jaguar but are put off by "too many switches and and knobs that are confusing." The classic Jag layout is awesome, very intuitive.
@@72chevelle530ss I think the people that say things like that have just never played a Jag & taken the 2 minutes it requires to figure it out. If you’re put off by 4 switches & 2 roller pots you may have some attention span issues you need to look into.
The Squier Classic Vibe Jags and JMs remain the best way to get vintage spec offsets.
Except they aren’t remotely vintage spec. They are nyatoh bodies, laurel boards, wrong fret wire, modern radius on the neck. They are the best way to “look” like a vintage spec offset from far away that’s about it.
Dude even the Kurt Jaguar is entirely wrong.
The fingerboard radius is 9.5 when the actual one was 7.25. Even though it likely was a custom/heavily modified neck, there’s no evidence that points to it being a 9.5 radius. Fender also did the same thing to J. Mascis signature guitars even though his was 7.25.
The pickup placement is wrong. The original has the pickups very close up to the neck and the bridge, and it’s missing the extra strap button on the other horn.
The tune-o-matic is wrong. It’s supposed to be black chrome with brass saddles.
The bridge pickup should also be a JB. Yeah it had a super distortion when he originally got it, but he obviously changed it out for a JB for a reason.
Even the fucking sunburst color and pick guard color are wrong! They couldn’t be bothered to put any work into the thing because they were too busy jerking each other off over how much money this shitty approximation of Kurt’s Jaguar would make them.
There’s the same kind of problems with attention to detail on Fender’s Jag-Stang and Signature Mustangs as well. The mustangs never had the “Mustang” on the headstock, just Fender logos.
The switches weren’t shortened, but filed all the way down. The pick guard colors and patterns on the sonic blue models are wrong, and the holes for the phase switches on the pick guard of his fiesta red mustang were rounded as it was a custom made piece.
There was obviously no lake placid blue mustang with that set up (single coil-JB) and even as an “inspired-by” guitar the color is wrong and the headstock should match.
Shit, the Jag-Stang’s don’t even come with the Texas Special and Seymour Duncan JB, just shitty fender pickups.
The body shape is off, the pick guards are wrong, and so is the bridge. This is the kind of shit we should come to expect from Fender because this is what we’ve collectively allowed Fender to get away with.
But hey who cares, we just want that sweet sweet Nirvana money! Fuck the fans. Fuck putting in the work to make accurate representations of iconic Fender guitars for a signature model. And most of all, fuck making these guitars for a reasonable price, we need to bleed our customers dry and then make it limited run so the resale market is even more outrageously expensive.
I genuinely love this sort of unfiltered passion with the knowledge to back it up because most people won’t call stuff out for what it is. Well said.
Brother I feel you!
Damn. This guy understands us! Fender hire this man.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for that call hahaha
I actually dig it, however, the new Squier Affinity Jaguar coming out is essentially the same thing as this new player series.
I do wish they would bring back the contemporary jaguar with a TOM style bridge. That bridge with Jaguar pickups would be my cup of tea. I wish fender would bring back the toronado too.
I love the Toronado and Coronado, I'd happily endorse getting both or even just one of them back into production.
No binding 😢
Good honest call Jimlad. Fender USA are seriously missing the beat...
Might just be, but on the other hand maybe I'm a fool and they're on pace for another record year of sales against all the odds . Anything is possible haha
I had a Vintera Jaguar in Ocean Turquoise with tort guard for like 8 days... That is my only experience with a Jag. The vibrato was garbage. The Pau Ferro was dry and ugly. The neck had a thick gloss and thin shape. I did like how it looked A LOT, and the sound was pretty usable. I luckily got almost all my money back as I found someone locally who was interested. One of the quickest times where I bought and resold a guitar right away. I just knew it wasn't for me...
I think...that sonic blue Jaguar is one of the most BEAUTIFUL guitars I have ever seen. Tell me it's staying. If not, I will give you my parent's address in the US so you can ship it to them for me. 🤣
I would love for it to stay but ahem some other things are on the table going foward without the big F logo on the headstock...
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Yeahhh agree on everything. I’m no where near a traditionalist when it comes to guitars I prefer a 9.5 radius with narrow frets. The 7.25 kinda screws me up a bit. But to be honest fender jags that we can buy are super boring. I go with a Sherwood green with black pickguard jag or Jazzmaster any day of the week. I’ve been on the market for a jaguar for awhile the squiers sound great but every single one I’ve played can’t hold tuning or is never set up in the shop it really turns me away from buying any of them. Personally I’m a Jazzmaster guy but having a jag would be sick for layering tracks and using it for leads.
the reason they all dont look like a true jaguar is because they want you to pay the premium to have the Fender logo+ classic look, you come to a certain age and you want your guitar to look and feel the part and they just arent gonna give you that for 800 euros. Kids are just gonna get a Squier or perhaps some used mex. I'd say buy a used vintera online for the price of a new player II. Mod later if you feel like it or sell for the same price.