Although this is a great film, I found a few mistakes that could be fixed should another remaster of this film be released: 1. The description fails to mention the main point of divergence (P.O.D.) in the novel, which happens in 1963, when Jacqueline Kennedy, JFK's wife, is killed instead and JFK incapacitated. 2. The assembly of the propulsion stack (which consisted of 1 launch for the Mars and Earth transfer stages, 2 fuel tank launches and 6 fuel tanker launches using modified Saturn VB rockets) is not shown in the video. 3: The Ares vehicle was fitted with 4 solar panels (2 on the propulsion stack and 2 on the crew quarters) which were deployed after the external tank separation and CSM transposition. 4. The MAV had several fuel tanks attached to it which were jettisoned during ascent. 5. The MAV was landed nose-down on Phobos before being sent back to the Ares MTV and jettisoned. 6. The Ares MTV made a flyby of Deimos before heading back to Earth.
This video made me know about the book. It took me some time but I finally just finished it. Nice book, extremly detailled for those fond of astronautics and politics. There's just not enough about of the effects of space radiations and the lack of exercices, points largely researched after the 80s/90s. The context of the rush to Mars explains this in the book. Glad to see the way back in the video as it was not mentionned in the book.
The silver-white large cylinder (Apollo-Ares Mission Module - AAMM) is a module of 6 meters in diameter with room and storage space. Or you thought that astronauts lived only in the CSM? Actually this ship is huge for 3 crew, with living space almost 1/3 of the ISS
I'm going to leave a long comment so bear with me. First off, thank you for producing and posting this video. I hope Stephen Baxter has seen this video because it is THE BEST graphic simulation of one of his best novels. You literally bought his book to life. I only hope at some point that Baxter revisits this story and focuses his attention on what happens after the landing and goes into greater detail on the flight out and back plus the public reaction to the mission.
I still remember the old version of your Orbiter Voyage movie. I liked the music in that one a bit better, but I lvoe how you remade everything in detail (down to the launch sequence and everything). :-)
Nice, well thought out plan. Some complicated maneuvers. I really think if we could pull off something like this financially it would only be one mission. I think that a reusable tug to ferry the crafts from Earth to Mars would be a much more viable way for continued missions to Mars. I like the Mars lander concept though.
in this video the upgraded F-1 engines that would have been used as the core of the rocket (F-1A) had an exhaust that was almost transparent when compared to the SRB's however they would have been quite brilliant in their luminosity
i think this is still the best plan so far I have seen. The Constellation Project is to complicated with too many launches and requiring delivery of equipment before the Astronauts. This method uses current technology to get the job done. Very do able.
This is an awesome concept. Problem is it would cost upwards of trillions of dollars, for governments at least, to do it. And they may want a larger habitat unit than that if they're gonna be in it for a year total. Really neat video though!
I do something: Skip reentry. It means reentry, slowing down, "skip" into space and reentry to fall at a slower rate (see Skip reentry in wikipedia) In Orbiter sim, I did 6 G and 4 G
There were studies and plans to uprate the Saturn V in all directions. Including higher thrust F1A and J-2S engines, stretched stages, a first stage that jettisoned the outer 4 engines at 30% fuel, huge strap-on SRBs, nuclear thermal upper stages, fourth stages, etc.
Thanks for making this video. I read the novel, and enjoyed it, and it was great to see the animation which helps bring the aspects of the Mars Mission to life. The only complaint I had with the novel was that there were parts of the novel I felt that Stephen Baxter plagiarized events from the Apollo missions. I won't say which ones because I don't want to post spoilers.
Yes, I spotted them too! Perhaps a sideways tribute from Baxter to Apollo? There were problems with editing too, some characters were on their first flight more than once! But yes an enjoyable novel, even if I did think losing 3 Apollo's, the Hubble, all post 1971 space probes, including the Voyagers, apart from Mars ones (but no Vikings either), was way too high a price to pay for a few weeks on Mars with equipment little better than an Apollo J mission. In fairness, Baxter alludes to this dilemma in the novel.
@Historianization I was talking strictly technically. Are there any benefits in terms of fuel consumption, by receiving a gravity assist from Venus? I repeated this flight in Orbiter and got very small bonus in terms of fuel from Venus gravity assist. The voyage was very long, so I had to take a lot of oxygen with me. A shorter voyage (direct to Mars) would be better for the crew and easier, because I was able to take more fuel instead of tons of oxygen.
We could have made it to mars in the 80s. And despite the crippling cost for the time it would be paid back several times over by now. Breaks your heart to see how far we have fallen.
Firstly, very nice animation. Congrats. I recall reading the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter some years ago and enjoying it. The BBC did a 4 part radio adaption which I have in the archives somewhere. It's sad that after Apollo the manned program got stuck in little more then going up and down to orbit. I remember the launch of the first shuttle, and now they're all retired. It really is time to get back to the moon and then on to the mars. Or maybe just go straight to Mars.
They wouldn't spend a year inside the Apollo capsule. Check out the docking maneuver at 2:41. They're linking up to a habitat module roughly the size of Skylab. The astronauts would only be in the Apollo capsule proper during launch, re-entry, and some of the complicated orbital linkup maneuvers in Martian orbit.
Not is a rocket Ares. Ares is the name of the mission in the book "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter (1996). Is a Saturn V without SIVB stage, and propelled by boosters SRB
What is up with the solid IUS on the Crewed launch payload stack? Also, why were there 5 pads? Even 3 probably would have been able to do that mission...
When it comes to spaceflight, no task is more important than another. Getting satellites into orbit is just as important as setting foot on the moon. Repairing the Hubble Space Telescope is just as important as repairing a part of the ISS. Going to Mars is just as important as... you get the idea.
You know, that lander could be called ''Atlantis''. ''Challenger'' was also name of Lunar Module used in Apollo 17 flight. But its nice film. Thanks a lot.
@deathrooster14 Saturn V-4X(U). Boeing study, 1968. Four core vehicles from Saturn V-25(S) study lashed together to obtain million-pound payload using existing hardware. First stage consisted of 4 Saturn IC's stretched 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines; second stage 4 Saturn II standard length stages with 5 J-2 engines.The F-1s were to be uprated to 2 mill lb thrust per. Total, 40 mill lb thrust.Over 1 million pound payloads! (I need a cigarette!) Whew!
It's funny, this video reminds me somewhat of the 1978 film "Capricorn One", in which the titular spacecraft has a very similar configuration. In the film, the mission was cancelled due to problems with the environmental systems, but the US government would not tolerate this, so they blackmailed NASA (which they own) into faking the mission. And once the spacecraft's orbit decayed and it burned up in the atmosphere, things went from bad to worse...
Well they did use the last stage of the Ares stack to brake into a high earth Orbit. Given the that the service module engine hadn't really been used to that point, it should then be sufficient to decelerate to re-entry
Actually, if you were to do an outside estimate for a Moonbase, subsidizing launch costs for LEO space-based manufacturing, and manned missions to Mars, it would costs at most $300 billion over 10 years. Consider that we spend at least $700 billion PER YEAR on defense and trillions on Social Security and Medicare alone, and you'll see that $30 billion per year is actually VERY cheap.
I do not understand the question. The spacecraft approaches the planet Venus to purchase alli speed and reach Mars (It requires less energy to go to Venus).
In this case the ship is designed to fly like a "flying saucer." Furthermore, the ship weighed dozens of tons (I do not remember how many) so the parachute would have a huge area.
@Bloodgod40 I think that Baxter wrote in the novel that NASA had developed lightweight freeze-dried food that was very,very compact so that they could store a lot of food in a small space aboard the wet workshop.
Especially after reading The Martian, It dawned on me the true insanity of getting to Mars this way. An equivalent of 20 Saturn V launches?!?!?! If you've seen the thing in person like me, it's unimaginable for anything to require 10 beefed up versions (the Saturn VB had an equivalent lifting capacity of about 1.8 Saturn V's) of it. The thing is absolutely massive, the S-IC alone is about 4 lanes wide.
Very nice, I enjoyed reading the novel when it appeared, even with some dodgy editing and a few too many exact parallels to Apollo incidents. It could have been done too, though in the novel, what is cut to fund it is just too much, (3 Apollos, no Vikings, no outer planets Grand Tour, no Hubble, no Mariner Venus/Mercury), for a 30 day surface stay on Mars with only Apollo style Rovers for transport. Plus the effects of having to work on Mars after a year in ZeroG Still a thought provoking book.
Actually, the capsule needs enough power to lower it's approach distance into the upper atmosphere just enough to slow down and get a highly elliptical orbit around Earth. On the second pass it would go for reentry. If they just went right for reentry at interplanetary speeds (11-15 kilometers per second at perigee), the capsule would melt and evaporate due to the extreme friction. Note, those speeds assume the return trip used the most fuel efficient Hohmann Transfer possible.
Viper77Wolverine, the real axe wielder was Nixon. Three Apollos axed, the second Skylab, any thought of anything not in LEO. The Shuttle only survived with Pentagon pressure and Nixon made sure his home State got to build the Orbiter, even though it was a Grumman design from the East Coast - the part of America he so hated. Apollo after all was associated with another obsessive hatred of his, the Kennedy's. For all that, he wasn't anti space per se, he liked the heroic aspect of it. After the mid 60's, one off funding peak for Apollo, there was always going to be a comedown. Plus, lest we forget, within weeks of Apollo 11 the majority of the US public lost interest and soon began to resent their tax $ being spent on Nasa. It's true Carter's VP Mondale was very anti NASA, however Carter would not let Mondale split NASA up, with much of it going to the Department of Transportation. To ensure that manned flight would whither away. Really, the only proven pro space POTUS was Johnson, Kennedy did not live to either see Apollo happen or perhaps in a second term cancel or scale it down, we'll never know. LBJ nurtured Apollo but feared that after him, 'we'll all just piss it away'.
+Steve Serba Except there's not enough short-term return for it to be viable for much of Wall Street and the private sector. Estimates of a manned Mars mission range from $40 to $55 billion. Not that many firms have the free money to even think about that, and their investors wouldn't like it because the returns aren't fast enough. Better to have the NewSpace companies invest in asteroid mining instead and have NASA go to Mars.
A lot of politicians and CEOs do, it's just they don't have the voting base or money in invest in space. Kennedy's dream only got done because he was assassinated. The reason Musk can do more stuff is because he has lots of his own money, while most CEOs have at most a few hundred million and politicians have to deal with demands for bigger stuff.
In the book, they weren't doing the Venus flyby for sightseeing or science purposes (although they did run what tests they could), but for the gravitational slingshot.
Not only Apollo capsule, we have the AAMM, housing of astronauts during the flight, with a habitable volume of 1/3 of the ISS. I recommend the documents on file with the link orbithangar * com / searchid . php? ID = 3393
There is a need to use ion engines where possible. They provide economical transport, but take time. They could be used for shipping at least the lander, and also fuel + supplies for the return leg of the mission to a Mars parking orbit before the arrival of the crewed ship. It would shave off many, many tons of launch mass.
Yes, it's often simplier to draw on computer than to think properly. Mars ascent stage most probably will be (if any) landed on martian surface in advance in robotic mode and mostly fueuled on site. NERVA tugs could put payloads interplanetary for 2 months. Since 70ies. Tug itself takes to LEO just one Sea Dragon rocket. By 6 V-5 launches it's possible to assemble on LEO even chemically propelled space ship. Round trip could be just for 6 moths. There is simply almost no reason (see Part 2).
I love it, and I love the book! But also, just a tip: I believe the video would have been better if you used the song "Mars" from "The Planets Suite"> It would have made the launch seem a lot more impressive (Not that it is not impressive as it is).
+Diabetic Atheist I had already used in another video, the Orion mission to Mars. The video of Voyage I did later, because he had another channel that was closed in 2009.
Great video. But there is NO spinning section of the space ship to prevent bone and muscle loss for the human crew ?. Similar the design of the spaceship in the film "Mission to Mars" !
I think he was referring to the retrorockets on the Mars descent capsule. Since it was only moving at a speed necessary for Mars orbit, not interplanetary approach, would the same maneuver be required to deorbit? With the weaker gravity well and relatively thin atmosphere, I assumed only a small retrorocket burn was necessary for a safe deorbit.
![MARS [NEW!!!]Constellation(DEFUNCT)/SLS : Manned Mission to Mars/ SLS ARCHITECTURE](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uUBhn3_P3hU/mqdefault.jpg)
As much as I loved the Shuttle and how big a part of my childhood it was, this is what we should had built.
Very accurate, according to data from Orbiter Simulator.
In the novel, it has taken nine saturn VB launches to put the Ares complex in to orbit.
Although this is a great film, I found a few mistakes that could be fixed should another remaster of this film be released:
1. The description fails to mention the main point of divergence (P.O.D.) in the novel, which happens in 1963, when Jacqueline Kennedy, JFK's wife, is killed instead and JFK incapacitated.
2. The assembly of the propulsion stack (which consisted of 1 launch for the Mars and Earth transfer stages, 2 fuel tank launches and 6 fuel tanker launches using modified Saturn VB rockets) is not shown in the video.
3: The Ares vehicle was fitted with 4 solar panels (2 on the propulsion stack and 2 on the crew quarters) which were deployed after the external tank separation and CSM transposition.
4. The MAV had several fuel tanks attached to it which were jettisoned during ascent.
5. The MAV was landed nose-down on Phobos before being sent back to the Ares MTV and jettisoned.
6. The Ares MTV made a flyby of Deimos before heading back to Earth.
where did you get this info from?
I just finished reading the book and 4-6 aren't described. Where is that info coming from?
This entire video sent shivers up my spine. I LOVED it! Thank you all so much for your work on this project, and for posting it for us all to enjoy!
This should be in the series for all mankind
This video made me know about the book. It took me some time but I finally just finished it. Nice book, extremly detailled for those fond of astronautics and politics. There's just not enough about of the effects of space radiations and the lack of exercices, points largely researched after the 80s/90s. The context of the rush to Mars explains this in the book.
Glad to see the way back in the video as it was not mentionned in the book.
Yep, you're right... I saw the Venus transfer and thought it was an attempted landing on Venus. Comment redacted.
Ну просто супер, забываешь все земные проблемы!
Глобальный вояж
The silver-white large cylinder (Apollo-Ares Mission Module - AAMM) is a module of 6 meters in diameter with room and storage space. Or you thought that astronauts lived only in the CSM?
Actually this ship is huge for 3 crew, with living space almost 1/3 of the ISS
They're the same mythological being Mars and Ares and i think that was a cool touch
That was kind of incredible. And I thought the music was PERFECT. Awesome job. Awesome Sim.
Good work, pal. And good book too, thanks to Stephen Baxter.
I'm going to leave a long comment so bear with me.
First off, thank you for producing and posting this video. I hope Stephen Baxter has seen this video because it is THE BEST graphic simulation of one of his best novels. You literally bought his book to life. I only hope at some point that Baxter revisits this story and focuses his attention on what happens after the landing and goes into greater detail on the flight out and back plus the public reaction to the mission.
I finished Voyage only a week or so ago. Fantastic novel.
I still remember the old version of your Orbiter Voyage movie. I liked the music in that one a bit better, but I lvoe how you remade everything in detail (down to the launch sequence and everything). :-)
I remember watching this 2 years ago without much interest. It is so much more interesting to watch now that I know exactly what is happening.
Nice, well thought out plan. Some complicated maneuvers. I really think if we could pull off something like this financially it would only be one mission. I think that a reusable tug to ferry the crafts from Earth to Mars would be a much more viable way for continued missions to Mars. I like the Mars lander concept though.
in this video the upgraded F-1 engines that would have been used as the core of the rocket (F-1A) had an exhaust that was almost transparent when compared to the SRB's however they would have been quite brilliant in their luminosity
Terrific video! Very inspiring for what could have been. And a little sad for what wasnt, and apparently never will be.
i think this is still the best plan so far I have seen. The Constellation Project is to complicated with too many launches and requiring delivery of equipment before the Astronauts. This method uses current technology to get the job done. Very do able.
That's a lot of time to spend in space. What would a trip to Mars require in terms of crew needs?
That gravity assist reduces fuel 20-25%
This is an awesome concept. Problem is it would cost upwards of trillions of dollars, for governments at least, to do it. And they may want a larger habitat unit than that if they're gonna be in it for a year total. Really neat video though!
This is the best space fight simulator ever !
I am using this in my enrichment cluster for my first grade students to simulate a trip to Mars.
Loved your video as usual! But according to the book there are some solar panels missing.
Amos del Mundo he probably would edit the ship but he probably didn't know how to?
Thank you! What a wonderful video. I've often imagined how this would look after reading Baxter's Voyage...
i dint think of that. that makes this a whole new ball game
This is just epic.
0:18 basicly a saturn v on steroids.
I do something: Skip reentry. It means reentry, slowing down, "skip" into space and reentry to fall at a slower rate (see Skip reentry in wikipedia) In Orbiter sim, I did 6 G and 4 G
There were studies and plans to uprate the Saturn V in all directions. Including higher thrust F1A and J-2S engines, stretched stages, a first stage that jettisoned the outer 4 engines at 30% fuel, huge strap-on SRBs, nuclear thermal upper stages, fourth stages, etc.
Amazing video now i have to download this and give it a go
I agree! Space exploration actually gives peace towards mankind!
Orbiter is not intended as eye candy. And if you want more high quality textures, go watch Tex's Orbiter machinimas.
this is amazing.
Thanks for making this video. I read the novel, and enjoyed it, and it was great to see the animation which helps bring the aspects of the Mars Mission to life.
The only complaint I had with the novel was that there were parts of the novel I felt that Stephen Baxter plagiarized events from the Apollo missions. I won't say which ones because I don't want to post spoilers.
Yes, I spotted them too! Perhaps a sideways tribute from Baxter to Apollo?
There were problems with editing too, some characters were on their first flight more than once!
But yes an enjoyable novel, even if I did think losing 3 Apollo's, the Hubble, all post 1971 space probes, including the Voyagers, apart from Mars ones (but no Vikings either), was way too high a price to pay for a few weeks on Mars with equipment little better than an Apollo J mission.
In fairness, Baxter alludes to this dilemma in the novel.
Excellent music!
Awesome both video and music !! Really enjoyed ! THX
@Historianization I was talking strictly technically. Are there any benefits in terms of fuel consumption, by receiving a gravity assist from Venus? I repeated this flight in Orbiter and got very small bonus in terms of fuel from Venus gravity assist. The voyage was very long, so I had to take a lot of oxygen with me. A shorter voyage (direct to Mars) would be better for the crew and easier, because I was able to take more fuel instead of tons of oxygen.
man on Mars in 1985 ? Cute (:
Downloading now
thanks you for this quality content
Fantastic video. The SVb with 4 SRBs seems like thrust/weight overkill to me. What is the acceleration on that thing?
We could have made it to mars in the 80s. And despite the crippling cost for the time it would be paid back several times over by now.
Breaks your heart to see how far we have fallen.
Firstly, very nice animation. Congrats. I recall reading the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter some years ago and enjoying it. The BBC did a 4 part radio adaption which I have in the archives somewhere. It's sad that after Apollo the manned program got stuck in little more then going up and down to orbit. I remember the launch of the first shuttle, and now they're all retired. It really is time to get back to the moon and then on to the mars. Or maybe just go straight to Mars.
They wouldn't spend a year inside the Apollo capsule. Check out the docking maneuver at 2:41. They're linking up to a habitat module roughly the size of Skylab. The astronauts would only be in the Apollo capsule proper during launch, re-entry, and some of the complicated orbital linkup maneuvers in Martian orbit.
Or just a saturn V rocket with some little adjustments and four boosters
The habitat is the AAMM (the large silver cylinder). The Apollo capsule would be used only on few occasions
Not is a rocket Ares. Ares is the name of the mission in the book "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter (1996). Is a Saturn V without SIVB stage, and propelled by boosters SRB
What is up with the solid IUS on the Crewed launch payload stack? Also, why were there 5 pads? Even 3 probably would have been able to do that mission...
It has SRB to launch the payload. There were more launches going on to assemble the Ares in orbit
would someone have stayed in Mars orbit during the 3-week-excursion to the surface ?
no
WOW! wat a mission! awesome rocket-system! I would say: Lets goooo!!!!!! thnx for saring!
Liked Plus 10!!
Awesome dude.
Remastered version of this or Apollo 13!
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Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker Fan #1 btw someone did do that! Or just buy apallo 13 with tom hanks. So you don't have to use the "music" because of this guy >©< it is epic soundtrack!
fantasious and fantastic
A saturn V with space shuttle SRBs? what variant is that? *rocketry intensifies*
+Ted Blackburn www.astronautix.com/lvs/satv25sb.htm
It's acctually a saturn V b rocket
they were originally built for it
That MEM gave a new definition to "flying saucer."
reached orbit really quick
When it comes to spaceflight, no task is more important than another. Getting satellites into orbit is just as important as setting foot on the moon. Repairing the Hubble Space Telescope is just as important as repairing a part of the ISS. Going to Mars is just as important as... you get the idea.
nice idea
You know, that lander could be called ''Atlantis''. ''Challenger'' was also name of Lunar Module used in Apollo 17 flight.
But its nice film. Thanks a lot.
Epic!
Is Capt. Price on board...? ;)
:)
he is going to fight general Shepard on the moon
Sam Dykstra
i mean mars this is a mars rocket
Treetop64 what about soap and ghost
@deathrooster14
Saturn V-4X(U).
Boeing study, 1968. Four core vehicles from Saturn V-25(S) study lashed together to obtain million-pound payload using existing hardware. First stage consisted of 4 Saturn IC's stretched 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines; second stage 4 Saturn II standard length stages with 5 J-2 engines.The F-1s were to be uprated to 2 mill lb thrust per. Total, 40 mill lb thrust.Over 1 million pound payloads! (I need a cigarette!) Whew!
It's funny, this video reminds me somewhat of the 1978 film "Capricorn One", in which the titular spacecraft has a very similar configuration. In the film, the mission was cancelled due to problems with the environmental systems, but the US government would not tolerate this, so they blackmailed NASA (which they own) into faking the mission. And once the spacecraft's orbit decayed and it burned up in the atmosphere, things went from bad to worse...
amazing. A very good work.
Well they did use the last stage of the Ares stack to brake into a high earth Orbit.
Given the that the service module engine hadn't really been used to that point, it should then be sufficient to decelerate to re-entry
Wow!
You should do one for Stephen Baxter's 'Titan'.
It would be so awesome if the reentry capsule landed directly on top of the aircraft carrier.
Voyage, my prefered book !
Actually, if you were to do an outside estimate for a Moonbase, subsidizing launch costs for LEO space-based manufacturing, and manned missions to Mars, it would costs at most $300 billion over 10 years. Consider that we spend at least $700 billion PER YEAR on defense and trillions on Social Security and Medicare alone, and you'll see that $30 billion per year is actually VERY cheap.
I do not understand the question. The spacecraft approaches the planet Venus to purchase alli speed and reach Mars (It requires less energy to go to Venus).
thank god we've got the new docking port sr.
In this case the ship is designed to fly like a "flying saucer." Furthermore, the ship weighed dozens of tons (I do not remember how many) so the parachute would have a huge area.
@Bloodgod40 I think that Baxter wrote in the novel that NASA had developed lightweight freeze-dried food that was very,very compact so that they could store a lot of food in a small space aboard the wet workshop.
And besides, even without that, there's still plenty of room for food. Food isn't a worry- all mission plans take that into account.
Mmmm, you read the description of the video?
yes
Super
For that read "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter.
Especially after reading The Martian, It dawned on me the true insanity of getting to Mars this way. An equivalent of 20 Saturn V launches?!?!?! If you've seen the thing in person like me, it's unimaginable for anything to require 10 beefed up versions (the Saturn VB had an equivalent lifting capacity of about 1.8 Saturn V's) of it. The thing is absolutely massive, the S-IC alone is about 4 lanes wide.
@masoaviator
in the book several manned and unmanned Saturn V launches were required to loft the components up, assemble, and fuel
Very nice, I enjoyed reading the novel when it appeared, even with some dodgy editing and a few too many exact parallels to Apollo incidents.
It could have been done too, though in the novel, what is cut to fund it is just too much, (3 Apollos, no Vikings, no outer planets Grand Tour, no Hubble, no Mariner Venus/Mercury), for a 30 day surface stay on Mars with only Apollo style Rovers for transport.
Plus the effects of having to work on Mars after a year in ZeroG
Still a thought provoking book.
I'm happy they didn't go to Mars in the 80's, cuz I wasn't born back then. I want to be there when people first step on Mars.
great vid, i expect this game is tediously difficult
It's hard to watch the video while rocking out to the Spetsnaz Theme
I think Mars' gravity is without the bounds of feasibility for colonization. Especially if you have a workout regimen for those living there.
Actually, the capsule needs enough power to lower it's approach distance into the upper atmosphere just enough to slow down and get a highly elliptical orbit around Earth. On the second pass it would go for reentry. If they just went right for reentry at interplanetary speeds (11-15 kilometers per second at perigee), the capsule would melt and evaporate due to the extreme friction.
Note, those speeds assume the return trip used the most fuel efficient Hohmann Transfer possible.
Viper77Wolverine, the real axe wielder was Nixon. Three Apollos axed, the second Skylab, any thought of anything not in LEO. The Shuttle only survived with Pentagon pressure and Nixon made sure his home State got to build the Orbiter, even though it was a Grumman design from the East Coast - the part of America he so hated. Apollo after all was associated with another obsessive hatred of his, the Kennedy's.
For all that, he wasn't anti space per se, he liked the heroic aspect of it.
After the mid 60's, one off funding peak for Apollo, there was always going to be a comedown. Plus, lest we forget, within weeks of Apollo 11 the majority of the US public lost interest and soon began to resent their tax $ being spent on Nasa.
It's true Carter's VP Mondale was very anti NASA, however Carter would not let Mondale split NASA up, with much of it going to the Department of Transportation.
To ensure that manned flight would whither away.
Really, the only proven pro space POTUS was Johnson, Kennedy did not live to either see Apollo happen or perhaps in a second term cancel or scale it down, we'll never know.
LBJ nurtured Apollo but feared that after him, 'we'll all just piss it away'.
+Steve Serba Except there's not enough short-term return for it to be viable for much of Wall Street and the private sector. Estimates of a manned Mars mission range from $40 to $55 billion. Not that many firms have the free money to even think about that, and their investors wouldn't like it because the returns aren't fast enough. Better to have the NewSpace companies invest in asteroid mining instead and have NASA go to Mars.
SSCFPA No one cares about humanity any more. Most politicians and CEOs could care less. We need more Kennedys and Elon Musks
A lot of politicians and CEOs do, it's just they don't have the voting base or money in invest in space. Kennedy's dream only got done because he was assassinated. The reason Musk can do more stuff is because he has lots of his own money, while most CEOs have at most a few hundred million and politicians have to deal with demands for bigger stuff.
And the pentagon pressure to keep the shuttle completely changed the design and crippled it for nasa and scientific use
In the book, they weren't doing the Venus flyby for sightseeing or science purposes (although they did run what tests they could), but for the gravitational slingshot.
Not only Apollo capsule, we have the AAMM, housing of astronauts during the flight, with a habitable volume of 1/3 of the ISS. I recommend the documents on file with the link orbithangar * com / searchid . php? ID = 3393
@THEORIGINALEXSCAPER Wow. That's crazy. Did they use the same CSM from the Apollo missions?
There is a need to use ion engines where possible. They provide economical transport, but take time. They could be used for shipping at least the lander, and also fuel + supplies for the return leg of the mission to a Mars parking orbit before the arrival of the crewed ship. It would shave off many, many tons of launch mass.
Mars mission? Let's go to Venus!
@TheScienceguy1998 My account in Orbiter-Forum in "rseferino". the novel "Voyage" by Stephen Baxter, is "Jacqueline B. Kennedy Space Center".
Yes, it's often simplier to draw on computer than to think properly. Mars ascent stage most probably will be (if any) landed on martian surface in advance in robotic mode and mostly fueuled on site.
NERVA tugs could put payloads interplanetary for 2 months. Since 70ies. Tug itself takes to LEO just one Sea Dragon rocket. By 6 V-5 launches it's possible to assemble on LEO even chemically propelled space ship. Round trip could be just for 6 moths. There is simply almost no reason (see Part 2).
I love it, and I love the book! But also, just a tip: I believe the video would have been better if you used the song "Mars" from "The Planets Suite"> It would have made the launch seem a lot more impressive (Not that it is not impressive as it is).
+Diabetic Atheist I had already used in another video, the Orion mission to Mars. The video of Voyage I did later, because he had another channel that was closed in 2009.
One of the fees things I can agree with a atheist
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Great video. But there is NO spinning section of the space ship to prevent bone and muscle loss for the human crew ?. Similar the design of the spaceship in the film "Mission to Mars" !
I think he was referring to the retrorockets on the Mars descent capsule. Since it was only moving at a speed necessary for Mars orbit, not interplanetary approach, would the same maneuver be required to deorbit? With the weaker gravity well and relatively thin atmosphere, I assumed only a small retrorocket burn was necessary for a safe deorbit.
Yes.