Having served on a nuclear submarine that was over 360 feet long, had three decks, both extracted its oxygen and distilled its potable water from seawater, had plenty of storage for food, operated in a gravity present environment, was relatively comfortable, and could surface in an emergency...I sincerely wish the Mars crew good luck with a mission extending beyond a year.
The whole Mars thing is just pure propaganda . There is no way our technology can send humans there . In order to do so we need first to have proper propulsion for our rockets and not a second WW technology in order to reduce the time of the journey because of radiation and lack of gravity . We will need 50 years of first really managing to stay on the moon in order to send people to Mars and during that time AI might be implemented into sophisticated human type robots that can handle the journey and do any job on Mars .
I would hope that the flight to Mars will take advantage of all of ideas available. I hope they will take ideas from subs give astronauts space to live. Could you imagine going to Mars in an Applo style ship?
I thought I saw a woman submariner touted as an astronaut. Lots of spurious studies mentioned. My favorite. If not given enuf space the crew will go mad.
I was 8 years old when I watched the first men land on the Moon, and I've been waiting for them to get to Mars ever since. I hope I'll still be alive to see it happen.
Hopefully the Chinese can do it, after 50 years its pretty much out of the question for anything associated with the USA to make it. The red tape space x is dealing with will bankrupt them first.
In my 70s now and wish I could be here to see this achieved. Glad I got to see A. Shepard go sub orbit to Armstrong go manual safe landing on the moon. Best wishes to all future pioneers!!
What a time to be alive: watching Alan Shepard and hearing the ominous beeps of Sputnik... I'm only old enough to see the wall come down, but to have seen and bear witness to those events that led to that moment, must have been truly amazing.
I'm going to challenge the first part of this video - establishing a Moonbase as the initial step. According to this idea, we have to lift all the Mars equipment that we will need out of the Earth's gravity well, drop it into the Moon's gravity well, and then later, when all is ready lift it out of the Moon's gravity well again. But surely if the Mars rocket assembly process was all completed in Earth orbit, we would obviate the extra mass required to get on and off the Moon. In other words, unless you manufacture the propellant and necessary hardware actually on the Moon, you don't win anything by going there first.
Yes, the Moon will be used as a fuel-manufacturing base, using the Moon's vast supply of frozen water at the poles. So the Moon will not merely be a low-gravity pit-stop. Its low-gravity will of course come in handy for leaving the Moon to go to Mars. It will also make a useful training environment for eventual Mars habitation (which will probably not happen for at least 20 years).
@@Fitness4London I'm aware of the potential of lunar ice to make rocket fuel, but the video suggests that the Moon's lower gravity will make it easier to launch a Mars mission than it would from Earth - i.e. the whole mission and not just the fuel. But it forgets that the Moon is in the Earth's gravity well too. So you're not just escaping the Moon's gravity. You have to escape the combined gravity of the Earth/Moon system. They will both act to retard your progress. Frankly this is above my level of physics and mathematics expertise, but I think some clever boffins will have to sit down and work it all out properly to find the optimum solution (they probably already have).
@@martinsutoob Very good point! (incidentally, I'm constantly amazed there have been no further humans on the Moon since the 1972 Apollo 17 mission. A lot more activity on the Moon needed before any manned mission to Mars.)
Making the station in Earth's orbit means you are still in the grip of Earth's gravity. You're still going to use more fuel to escape that, which means more weight. The idea is to go from the lunar space station, not the moon's surface.
You forgot to add galactic radiation ☢️. Radiation not from our sun but from beyond the solar system. Further from our sun you get, the more galactic radiation gets you
Best of luck to the first crew to Mars, most likely they won't be seen again, it won't be as easy as these video's portray that trip to be, the time it will take, how almost every mechanical device must work, the Van Allen radiation belt to go thru, the need to get along with one another for such a long period of time, and the space hazards as the vehicles travel thru space beyond the Moon, the odds are not in their favor, lots of luck.
@@tedh.8356 Well sir, our robotic probes, rovers, and orbiters (with their sensors) have revealed to us that Mars has no magnetosphere to protect against deadly cosmic rays and radiation; nor does it have an ozone layer to protect against almost equally lethal UV radiation, nor a thick atmosphere to also protect against X-rays and Gamma rays from our own Sun. Furthermore, the Martian "soil" (regolith), is riddled with calcium and ammonium perchlorates, planet-wide, as well as lead, arsenic, and mercury, and is UTTERLY TOXIC to all known animal and plant life! Mars is NOT a, "Second Earth". Mars is an extremely cold (Average Global Temperature Minus -82 Degrees Fahrenheit), irradiated, dry, poisonous dustball.
@@MRblazedBEANSChinese military scientists believe the tardigrade’s cells improve a human's ability to withstand radiation and potentially other diseases
I have suggested using older folks, like me, on these missions. That way, if something goes wrong, it’s not a loss of someone in their prime. Likewise, we are far enough on, in years, that cancer doesn’t have as much of a chance to entrench itself.
Short stay using a gravity assist around Venus is incredible. Imagine being the crew on that ship. Not only do you get to see Mars up close, but you also get to see Venus, too.
Your trip around Venus, I’m afraid, will be rather disappointing. You won’t be seeing much. What you’ll see are orange, seared cloud tops with occasional flashes of lightning. Nothing more. You won’t be seeing the ground of Venus. There’s no rivers, lakes, or oceans, as it’s a very dry planet, the hydrogen element of it’s water having been stripped off into space eons ago due to the lack of a magnetic field. Venus has an incredibly SLOW retrograde spin that makes it’s day longer than it’s year. Yet there’s no place to escape from the suffocating heat unless you can “float” in the upper reaches of the atmosphere, where it’s cooler and the pressures won’t squeeze you flat.
Nuclear thermal rocket engine sounds like something Wil-E-Cyote would chase the Roadrunner with, but with DARPA involved, probably much more likely to work. Very interesting!
It took 25 years to get JWST in Space, so I don't see a manned space craft that can stay on Mars for practical reasons and usage for at least 25 more years, and that's being super optimistic 😂
Yep. These ultra-Mars enthusiasts are seriously deluded in their forcasted timelines. Much of all this hoopla originates with Musk, and is just publicity for SpaceX, I believe. But, 20 or fewer years from now, Musk's idealistic forecasts are going to create a negative mood towards him and SpaceX because of unfullfilled dreams and actual delusions.
My thoughts are that it's a crazy thing expecting people to travel for two years in such a confined object and an out of this world experience,the astronauts must be very brave but what about the families they leave behind,I think it's an impossible mission, just remember how lighthouse keepers found it difficult to cope in isolation for several weeks so imagine years,ya can't imagine it.
Adam Tyrell. Yes it does sound very daunting and dangerous, but I really believe that there will be people who are willing to undertake the challenge. They will be very special people with very high qualifications and training, very psychologically stable and very physically fit and their spirit of adventure and determination will overcome any fear they may have.🎉
@@travisgrant5608 It's worse. They die for nothing... leaving Earth to claim a dead, utterly sterile, radiation soaked ball of rock and toxic dust. Our culture has really messed up values and priorities.
They may be old school, but we have no alternative. The wheel is also old school, but it does not mean it is not still the best solution to the problem.
@@Mikhail-Tkachenko Why would you do that? We know this fantasy trip to Mars is not happening in the next 10 years. The James Webb telescope took a zillion years to build and put into space. Now think about landing humans on Mars.
Nuclear Fusion is never going to be viable, even if they manage to do it. However, there are no insurmountable technical issues will getting to Mars and establishing a permanent presence. Quite why anyone would want to go there is beyond my understanding, it sounds like a vision of Hell to me.
@@davebryant8050I agree. Go to the library and challenge yourself to talk to someone. Only small talk. “A bit chilly outside”, “when you’re finished with that book, can I get it”…….
2 years in a tin can? air supply? food? , water? heating, power? radiation shields? All these need to be sorted out just on the way there. Once on Mars, a liveable sturdy domicile with air supply? food? , water? heat? power, radiation shields? Would all need to be erected before the first ship even arrives on Mars. The resource logistics for such a venture, would be critical path to the survival of the crew. If you had sufficient resources to get there , to last the duration of your stay on Mars, and the return journey back to earth, you would only need to worry about everything else that could go wrong. Thus sickness of crew, contagion of unknown viruses, life threatening accidents , malfunctioning of critical systems and equipment, and a myriad of other unexpected things, like meteor storms, dust storms, etc, that could be deadly to the crew. If this venture /mission was truly ever undertaken, the life expectancy, or survival of the astronauts would be minimum. That is , not many, if any, would ever return safely back home to earth alive. There are just way too many deadly factors , any one of them, which could result in a total mission failure. So dream on, and fantasise all you like, but the odds , if you really consider them, are stacked against a successful mission.
Actually you’re right, which is why we still have to do it. Many volunteers will accept that necessary fate. Same as the first marines when told ‘Take That Hill’ also know their fate. The benefit is: while they are there they and many computers and machines report hundreds and thousands of reports on countless areas of importance. My point is: We must start SOMEWHERE! We must learn on the ‘Fly’. If we start the process now, we could conceivably do the trip say…, 10-15 years. I’m 74 now and I’m SURE I’ll be alive to see it. Many said flight wasn’t possible, Then they said ok, but it’s too dangerous, then they said “Get A Horse” I mean l can tell by the way you talk you’re intelligent, however Americans Dream! I don’t feel any of that sentiment in you remarks. Do if you’re an American.., Act, Talk, And DREAM LIKE OBSESSED!!
Just seeing all of these older people here wanting to see us walk on mars is making me want it to happen even sooner. Thank all of you old timers for giving us the stepping stones to make this happen.
I can't be bothered to watch this. Could someone please explain to me how NASA proposes to keep the astronauts from dying of cancer in the hard radiation of space? Also, if they did get to Mars alive, what do they propose to do about the incredibly toxic environment there, and continued hard radiation? The seldom-admitted truth about the ISS is that it is actually in the upper fringes of the atmosphere ( that's why it constantly needs to be 'boosted' ) and is well within the protection of the planet. Otherwise it would be a deathtrap. Robots exploring space makes sense. Humans exploring space is idiocy, until the robots find something worthwhile out there. Even then, robots can probably do it better.
Chinese military scientists believe the tardigrade’s cells improve a human's ability to withstand radiation and potentially other diseases, so scientists in China are already looking into it, and most of Chinese science is stolen from the USA so it wouldn't surprise me if NASA is actively working on this
They're blinded by their dreams and idealism. These 'Mars enthusiasts' never mention the logistical, technological, physical, FINANCIAL and biological hurdles and barriers standing in the way of actually, 'living on Mars'. No one wants to live permanently in Antarctica, so, why would anyone want to live permanently, or even indefinitely, on the Moon or Mars?
A 2 year journey without gravity. I'll have to see it to believe it. Until they work out a viable artifical gravity system, any manned venture to Mars is going to be difficult if not impossible.
Totally agree, among all the other seemingly intractible problems of actually staying on Mars for over two years. IOWs, we could probably get there, but what about living there for over two years? ISS astronauts that spend more than 6 months on the station come back to Earth totally fucked up! We have no idea how to keep people alive off Earth for 9 months transit to Mars, 2 years and 2 months there, and 9 months return to Earth. The ISS is pretty large, and, with an average of six astronauts stationed there at a time, it has to be resupplied with oxygen, water, food, and medical supplies every MONTH for Christ's sake!
Currently fastest is 9-7 months. I am sure that will be rapidly reduced once we use nuclear energy to proper the trip. Would be easier and faster to return to earth from Mars.
"can be made in less than a week... fine right here on earth".... why? There's Nothing your doing in your life now that you cant be doing on the ship to mars. (For alot of people generally) :)... not trying to pick a fight. Its just kinda true. :)
If landing on Mars is going to be an island hopping venture, such as first having a base on the moon and then jumping off from there, don't hold your breath, if the last 55 years progress can be extrapolated into the future, ain't no way it's going to happen in 200 or more years. It's nice to dream but a dream without a goal is a hallucination
Sorry to say 'Not quite there yet' is a bit of an understatement. Just a few scientific impossibilities to overcome before we get to Star Trek. Travelling Faster than Light, Mechanical teleportation -that sort of thing.
According to the late (and great) theoretical physicist Freemon Dyson, it would take the equivalent energy of the entire Milky Way Galaxy to warp space like Captain Kirk and Company. That's not just the energy emanating from the Galaxy's 200 Billion Plus suns, but the potential energy contained in every ATOM of this Galaxy!
"Sorry... 'Not quite there yet' is a bit of an understatement".... DEI, BLM, CRT, LEGBHGF+.... get your priorities straight human. AI aint got those concerns and will solve FTL Travel quickly. My Predic
Water will be very hard to come by on Mars, so I doubt they'll use a drop of it to brew beer. That's just Musk and his typical bullshit. [edit] Whatever water they'll be able to extract, detoxify, purify, and filter will be used to drink, make oxygen, or feed food crops. (And btw, good luck growing anything in Martian "soil" eh, regolith, because that Martian dirt is a toxic cocktail riddled with perchorates, arsenic, lead, and mercury.)
This would make a good science fiction movie. That's about all this is. Even the tiny part about colonizing the Moon... infrastructure there... living there... manufacturing and processing facilities there... producing and making what you need there... If the countries of the world got together and attempted it, that one little part alone is still a pipe dream.
Not sure if Mars can be a habitable planet considering that it’s gravity is a fraction to that on Earth, it’s just not suited for human life, It’s probably a better idea to construct Mall-sized living space ecosystems with either centripetal or centrifugal motion to create artificial gravity. We could print the parts in space and assemble it all in space. Sure, do the Mars stations and exploration but gravity is the elephant in the room that needs to be front and center in the continuing need to journey out into the heavens. Without solving Earth-like gravity problem, we might as well scrape the idea of routine long-hall space exploration.
@@dantrav1927 there’s a video of an astronaut demonstrating the creation of gravity through centripetal force using liquid in a plastic pouch. Not only can it be done, it has been done. It’s just a matter of logistics for space travel/space stations at this point.
The long duration mission actually sounds safer if we can't use a rotating vehicle. On the other hand if we can then the short duration mission would clearly be better. Its possible (really not that difficult) to simulate 1G in space with a teather and counterweight.
Dreams 40. When I was little I asked my mother if we would ever have colour tv and she said she didn’t think so, but years later here we are with colour tv!😅
@@rocquecaceres9221 It’s not naive at all, when I was little colour telly seemed as far away as going to Mars was in this day and age, don’t be so nasty I was only a child.
Actually best to go direct from Earth to Mars. As it actually takes more fuel to go to the Moon than to go to Mars. This is because at the moon, you can’t use aerobraking.
If we figure out how to build and maintain a base on the moon, then Mars or another moon visit can be considered. The “new” technologies keeping humans on the moon , I think , will make visiting Mars possible.
Where did all this information come from? Specifically the Artemis 10+ missions and Mars mission durations? Adding your sources to the description would allow people to get more info and would be a great way to maintain credibility!
Half of me thinks, what's the point in going to Mars, and then the other half of me thinks, we might as well because we'll never get any further than that anyway because of the distances and the time it would take to get there is beyond anything a human could withstand.
It's just inexcusable how little (as in, pretty much no) research has been done on free-space centrifugal 'gravity' and its effects on mammalian biology. 2 Starships (or whatever) at opposite ends of a long tether (at least a few hundred meters, to minimize Coriolis forces), spun end-over-end during the coast phase, and folks can just get out and walk when they get there (make it .5g, say, and they'll be all John Carter...as opposed to just better than Charles Xavier). And the Artemis plan is an excruciatingly Byzantine hodge-podge of extraneous steps. Some variant of "Mars Direct" (cf. Robert Zubrin's The Case For Mars) is the way to go.
"The alien agenda, if revealed, would undoubtedly send shockwaves through humanity, forever altering our perception of reality. Mundane interests and burdensome mortgages would become trivial matters in the face of mind-bending physics and extraordinary discoveries. With unequivocal proof of the human Soul and the afterlife, a new era of communication with the deceased would commence, allowing us to explore realms beyond our wildest imagination. As the Soul's ability to traverse the universe at the speed of thought is unveiled, the very fabric of our existence would undergo an unprecedented transformation. No longer plagued by unanswered questions or unsolved crimes, humanity would stand on the precipice of a truly remarkable future."
Really? Why? I would never give up living on Earth to move to such an uninhabitable (and dangerous) environment. Now if they found an Earth twin (or better) and had a way to get there in a few weeks, maybe.
@@igg3937 Those early guys were looking to make a buck. And you can hardly compare the ocean to outer space in terms of hazards. They didn't know what to expect; we know how bleak Mars is. And for what?
@@igg3937 Columbus did. And it did not cost nearly as much as this Mars stuff is going to cost. Are people really going to want to leave earth and move there?
Well, the parts about human curiosity and determination were spot on. But humans will have to wait a couple of generations before they see humans on the surface of Mars. The videogame dreamers of today who think they're gonna see it will be long gone before it happens.
Artemis 10 amnd 11 do not exist, they are just currently 'proposed' but without any planned idea of what they would be used for. Artemis 12 isn't even a proposed flight. Pretty much this entire video is at best speculation and at worst flights of fancy all decked out as if it's real. There appears to have been no real investigation and research done by the author and instead this appears to be his wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is fine just so long as you make it clear that that is what it is, and don't hold it out as fact.
If the trip includes 1 CD of a botched up version of the song Older by They Might Be Giants being played on a recoder on repeat for 10 hours then thats about the only song that would be a morale booster for the crew knowing its a one way trip, i wouldnt be rocking to AC/DC knowing that im not coming back to Earth from Mars
Stephen Baxter wrote a book called Voyage. Using Apollo technology with a gravity assist using Venus to add extra speed, a manned mission could've been done in the 1980s. It's a well written story worth checking out.
Glad to see you promoting Nuclear Thermal, I get tired of those that promote the money pit VASIMR. Pretty good break down although I suspect the plans will change once SpaceX's StarShip is operational, with the new Raptor3 engines the amount that will be able to be lofted beyond orbit in a single launch gets much bigger. Generally speaking plans use hardware available or very near available to make decisions but when a dramatic shift in capability comes online plans change.
Before revisiting the Moon or voyaging to Mars cleaning up what we can out of Earth orbit is needed. The astronauts onboard the International Space Station have to cower in a protective area because of space debris that could impact the station.
I am pretty sure any plans NASA has for a Mars mission will be altered by what SpaceX does with Starship in the next few years. By the late 2020s all NASA's exploration plans will be built around what Starship is capable of doing and has demonstrated.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver And let us all put our hands together to celebrate that, FFS. 54 years ago, rocket technology was putting man on the Moon. Now we're supposed to jump up and down celebrating because one actually left the launch pad. Then we're meant to clap even louder when a controlled detonation of the rocket occurs FFS, FFS! One small step for mankind, one giant leap for marketing departments. FFS. How do people get sucked into this garbage.
My brother's first job out of college was with Mac Dac, building bits of the ISS, or the Boeing Space Station, it's nick name after Boeing bought macdac. We've been science geeks since birth, Dad was USAF electronics and Motor Pool trainer, If it drove on base he could drive it, and teach you how to as well. thanks for the videos
*Have a Wonderful Winter Solstice.* A traditional celebration dating back more than 5000 years in which the Sun is literally rebirthed in the passageway of an ancient tomb, (where have you heard that before?) "The Grand Passage Tomb", a World Heritage site. A celebration of life and renewal, peace and camaraderie with food, song, dance drink and good cheer. Happy Holidays. Let the Sunshine In... *Be Happy* .
The blooming space-age blows my mind and inspires me to get healthy and finish my education so that I can experience these monumental times... Imagine what the world could accomplish together...
And by that time we will have finally figured out that there really is not much of a reason or purpose to send humans to such an inhospitable place. Why send people when AI Robots will be able to perform the same tasks without the danger to humans. I just can't see it taking off myself ;-)
If humans would put our egos aside we could be making so many strides in exploring and understanding the universe. Humans are the weakest link and most expensive part of these missions. let the robots go explore and we can figure out how to join them in the future!
I agree with you, to a point. But, without those human egos, we wouldn't have the robotic probes in the first place! :) We're all fallible, my brother, or sister.
It's nice to live in a perpetual dreamworld. Sometimes, however, one has to come down out of the soft and fluffy clouds and get a dose of reality. We can't even take a remotely reasonable trip to the moon. Two of our shuttles got blown into smithereens. Good luck to those suicidal maniacs who volunteer to blast off to eternity...I mean Mars.
7:35 - Hold up.... by what logic is longer transit better than longer stay on Mars? Based on below, I would posit that shorter transit would be the way more desirable option. 1) Gravity: At least you have a decent amount on Mars. Supplement with resistance training (think stretching/hydrolic/pneumatic items rather than weight plates) and cardio, you might be minimally OK. In transit, micro-G is a lot worse for you, relatively speaking. 2) Radiation: On Mars, a cave or other subterranian habitat could help mitigate exposure. Plus you could "pre-ship" additional shielding. In space, it's whatever shielding you bring with you, and that means more weight to propel and other considerations come into play. 3) Supplies (food, water, spare parts, etc.): Similar pros/cons as #2 (e.g., "pre-ship" additional versus carry all with you) 4) Mental health: you can more easily vary routine and environment on Mars. Take a walk, ride a rover, etc. In transit, "the same 4 walls" the entire time. I look forward to a possible healthy debate on this.
All these seems too expensive and hard to accomplish in the long term, at least to me, it would be an incredible success if they do it, but I'm not sure about the Nasa's capability of having enough budget for so many years.
@@dalezegarelli5553 I suggest you get counseling for your anger issues. Do you really think there were women on those ships? They were at sea for months at a time. Oh, look for a cure for your ignorance, too.
@dougball328 if there is ever a ship that can get out of earth's orbit and travel 6 months to an unhabital planet. I HOPE YOU ARE ON IT! lmao!! Like I said; curiosity killed the cat!!
Great video! Why are we acting like we won’t massively be using humanoid robots enabled with generative AI as part of Mars and other manned space missions that are at least 2 years out? Probably at minimum 3:1 ratio robot to human. I feel like the technological concept should be updated post-gpt4.
All this talk about landing humans on Mars is a bunch of hooey. First of all, by doing so, any nation or group of nations would be violating the Outer Space Treaty, which, in one clause, the Planetary Protection Clause,prohibits the contamination by human intrusion of any celestial body. It's astute of you that you mention AI, because AI is how we're going to end up directly and with human control, exploring Mars and other bodies in detail, i.e., through teleorobotics. In other words, (I and others believe), that once we are able to actually proactively explore Mars, we will do so from manned space stations in Martian orbit, with people communicating and controlling robots on the surface in real time. (well, with a split-second delay). Teleorobotics. THAT is the real future of humans exploring pristine, albeit probably dead, worlds. But we don't know for a fact that Mars is dead, and until we do, we have no business or moral or ethical reason to actually land people on the surface, as we will contaminate it with our microbiome. Robots and rovers can be sterilized, humans cannot be!
I watched Neil Armstrong step on the moon when I was 6 years old. Still remember it like it was yesterday. I hope to watch someone repeat that feat on Mars.
When I watched Star Trek as a young girl I was always over exited about space. I used to talk for hours with my grandfather about it. When I asked him when we would be able to really explore space he gave me the following answer. When mankind will find a way to overcome all it's differences and stop all the bloody wars and quarreling on this planet, when man will get enlightened enough to work together as a team we will find a way to explore space for real. It may still take a while, we are slow learners. His view on things had probably to do with him fighting in WWII. Anyway it makes me happy that there is progress in space exploration. On the other hand there is still a lot of bad will and concurrence between nations. it would be amazing what could be accomplished if all nations would put their knowledge together and make it happen. In fact this is for all the many challenges we need to tackle on this Earth of ours.
...very well said my dear...your Grandfather is a wise man...my dad was also a wwll veteran. As you mention, there are many more issues here on our earth to address than worrying about Mars...We must figure a way "fix" ourselves and our differences, if that is even possible...I fear that it will never come to fruition...man is too greedy and power hungry...
Its a pipe dream. This species continues to kill one another with reckless abandon. We should take some lessons from the other top predator on the planet.. Orca. they do NOT kill like kind.
Not saying it can't or won't happen someday, but we can't even get our crew off the International Space Station so I'm thinking landing humans on Mars is at least a half century or more in the future.
As much as I love the idea of humans managing to land on Mars, I find it impossible to imagine anyone surviving the journey with the technology and speeds currently available. The human body just plain isn't designed to live outside of gravity and natural oxygen conditions for such extended time. We are only in the infant stages of studying the impact of short stays on the space station. The changes in body dynamics is profound and much of them may be permanent. The eyes change, the pressures in the brain change, the brain itself changes, bone density changes. It's an enormous dream to think humans can overcome all of this any time soon. My hunch is we need decades of unmanned missions to figure out what, if anything, Mars offers people back on earth. I can't see how living there is worth striving for without first testing long range living on the moon...Sure hope I'm wrong but I am not at all optimistic any of this will happen for decades if not much longer.
Having served on a nuclear submarine that was over 360 feet long, had three decks, both extracted its oxygen and distilled its potable water from seawater, had plenty of storage for food, operated in a gravity present environment, was relatively comfortable, and could surface in an emergency...I sincerely wish the Mars crew good luck with a mission extending beyond a year.
Yeah, not going to happen is it really
The whole Mars thing is just pure propaganda . There is no way our technology can send humans there . In order to do so we need first to have proper propulsion for our rockets and not a second WW technology in order to reduce the time of the journey because of radiation and lack of gravity . We will need 50 years of first really managing to stay on the moon in order to send people to Mars and during that time AI might be implemented into sophisticated human type robots that can handle the journey and do any job on Mars .
I would hope that the flight to Mars will take advantage of all of ideas available. I hope they will take ideas from subs give astronauts space to live. Could you imagine going to Mars in an Applo style ship?
@@danielsweeney6742
What's an Applo style ship?
I thought I saw a woman submariner touted as an astronaut. Lots of spurious studies mentioned. My favorite. If not given enuf space the crew will go mad.
I'm almost 71 now, and I hope I live long enough to see Man set foot on Mars.
Have faith my man. Walk plenty and keep yourself busy. All the best to you.
@@MrEncore91 I'm so busy I don't know weather to wind my butt or scratch my watch!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sorry you won’t. It’ll be a woman of colour.
Sorry you won’t. It’ll be a woman of colour.
You go. I will stay home.
Nobody's going to want to actually LIVE on Mars. Doesn't matter what they say.
No, no, I insist, you can have my seat. Hey, I even pay you a free Big Mac 'n' Co Meal to go instead of me.
@@Peter_Tissot Does that include a side of homemade, Southern-style, Mac 'n Cheese? (If so, count me in!) hehe
Your proposal is acceptable.
@@stumboguy Thank you, Senator!
I was 8 years old when I watched the first men land on the Moon, and I've been waiting for them to get to Mars ever since. I hope I'll still be alive to see it happen.
Spacex planning to land humans on Mars as early as 2028.
Me too
Hopefully the Chinese can do it, after 50 years its pretty much out of the question for anything associated with the USA to make it. The red tape space x is dealing with will bankrupt them first.
@@infernoplexx9562 🤣And Nasa was planning on 1980.🤣 Still waiting....
@@infernoplexx9562 I highly doubt it my geometric friend
In my 70s now and wish I could be here to see this achieved. Glad I got to see A. Shepard go sub orbit to Armstrong go manual safe landing on the moon. Best wishes to all future pioneers!!
You will be here don’t worry 💙
thank you brother
What a time to be alive: watching Alan Shepard and hearing the ominous beeps of Sputnik... I'm only old enough to see the wall come down, but to have seen and bear witness to those events that led to that moment, must have been truly amazing.
@@Itsmytest It was, and still is!
You might see it hoaxed.
I'm going to challenge the first part of this video - establishing a Moonbase as the initial step. According to this idea, we have to lift all the Mars equipment that we will need out of the Earth's gravity well, drop it into the Moon's gravity well, and then later, when all is ready lift it out of the Moon's gravity well again. But surely if the Mars rocket assembly process was all completed in Earth orbit, we would obviate the extra mass required to get on and off the Moon. In other words, unless you manufacture the propellant and necessary hardware actually on the Moon, you don't win anything by going there first.
Yes, the Moon will be used as a fuel-manufacturing base, using the Moon's vast supply of frozen water at the poles. So the Moon will not merely be a low-gravity pit-stop. Its low-gravity will of course come in handy for leaving the Moon to go to Mars. It will also make a useful training environment for eventual Mars habitation (which will probably not happen for at least 20 years).
@@Fitness4London I'm aware of the potential of lunar ice to make rocket fuel, but the video suggests that the Moon's lower gravity will make it easier to launch a Mars mission than it would from Earth - i.e. the whole mission and not just the fuel. But it forgets that the Moon is in the Earth's gravity well too. So you're not just escaping the Moon's gravity. You have to escape the combined gravity of the Earth/Moon system. They will both act to retard your progress. Frankly this is above my level of physics and mathematics expertise, but I think some clever boffins will have to sit down and work it all out properly to find the optimum solution (they probably already have).
@@martinsutoob Very good point! (incidentally, I'm constantly amazed there have been no further humans on the Moon since the 1972 Apollo 17 mission. A lot more activity on the Moon needed before any manned mission to Mars.)
Making the station in Earth's orbit means you are still in the grip of Earth's gravity. You're still going to use more fuel to escape that, which means more weight. The idea is to go from the lunar space station, not the moon's surface.
Bone loss, muscle atrophy, blood pooling - gonna be a hell of a ride. I would be surprised if they could even survive returning to Earth.
Yes, got over come lack of gravity
Going to Mars is a suicide mission.
How do they get above 62 miles high
Don't forget the solar radiation. Sorry but we are not going anytime soon. Might want to focus on fixing things here first.
You forgot to add galactic radiation ☢️. Radiation not from our sun but from beyond the solar system. Further from our sun you get, the more galactic radiation gets you
Best of luck to the first crew to Mars, most likely they won't be seen again, it won't be as easy as these video's portray that trip to be, the time it will take, how almost every mechanical device must work, the Van Allen radiation belt to go thru, the need to get along with one another for such a long period of time, and the space hazards as the vehicles travel thru space beyond the Moon, the odds are not in their favor, lots of luck.
On top of that the Rover Samples also need to come back
You are correct. It's easy to make a plan on paper. A very different thing to execute effectively
Mars is as hostile as space itself.
@@samr.england613 Has anyone ever been there to really know? a robot one thing, people another...
@@tedh.8356 Well sir, our robotic probes, rovers, and orbiters (with their sensors) have revealed to us that Mars has no magnetosphere to protect against deadly cosmic rays and radiation; nor does it have an ozone layer to protect against almost equally lethal UV radiation, nor a thick atmosphere to also protect against X-rays and Gamma rays from our own Sun. Furthermore, the Martian "soil" (regolith), is riddled with calcium and ammonium perchlorates, planet-wide, as well as lead, arsenic, and mercury, and is UTTERLY TOXIC to all known animal and plant life! Mars is NOT a, "Second Earth". Mars is an extremely cold (Average Global Temperature Minus -82 Degrees Fahrenheit), irradiated, dry, poisonous dustball.
We better work out a cure for cancer first, the radiation for the long stay would damage the human body severely.
Yep. We really don't know what will happen at a cellular level.
We have the ability to shield it.
@@MRblazedBEANSChinese military scientists believe the tardigrade’s cells improve a human's ability to withstand radiation and potentially other diseases
I have suggested using older folks, like me, on these missions. That way, if something goes wrong, it’s not a loss of someone in their prime. Likewise, we are far enough on, in years, that cancer doesn’t have as much of a chance to entrench itself.
If we put a liner of water around the living quarters we should be good, 20cm of water and more in a “safe space” should be enough
By the time they build something I'd feel comfortable taking that trip on, I'll be long gone but I do hope I live to see people land on Mars
1ST LETS TAKE BABY STEPS MOON 1ST OK. TIL THIS DAY ITS IMPOSSIBLE
Let’s get the launch and landing right before we start worrying about the journey
Obviously, but you still need to plan for the journey
Short stay using a gravity assist around Venus is incredible. Imagine being the crew on that ship. Not only do you get to see Mars up close, but you also get to see Venus, too.
No. The alignment that favors this trip are too rare to be worthwhile.
AND NO SEX? I'LL STAY IN MY SMALL TOWN AND HAVE A GOOD TIME ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. 💅💃
Imagine is all anyone can do.
Your trip around Venus, I’m afraid, will be rather disappointing. You won’t be seeing much. What you’ll see are orange, seared cloud tops with occasional flashes of lightning. Nothing more. You won’t be seeing the ground of Venus. There’s no rivers, lakes, or oceans, as it’s a very dry planet, the hydrogen element of it’s water having been stripped off into space eons ago due to the lack of a magnetic field. Venus has an incredibly SLOW retrograde spin that makes it’s day longer than it’s year. Yet there’s no place to escape from the suffocating heat unless you can “float” in the upper reaches of the atmosphere, where it’s cooler and the pressures won’t squeeze you flat.
Going to Venus is better in the first place, closer, floating colonies can be built in the atmosphere, and gravity is very similar to Earths.
I once went on a Mars simulator at an amusement park when I was a little girl. It was a bumpy ride, took about 10 minutes!
Thank you for your service
@@pirax5552she's the real hero.
Wow! Thanks for sharing.
You sure it was a simulator and not just the janitor?
Did you survive?
I’m sure SpaceX will greet them and take them out to dinner a few days after arriving.
400 day return? That is almost unbelivable, I think the plan will change as we get closer and technology gets better.
id rather die on mars
@@222cubing8 Me too just not on impact.
Just take one way flight 😮
Astrophysics are a complicated thing 😂
24.months
Not even mentioning Mars or even the permanent Moon base, just the phrase “Lunar Gateway Space Station” brings me so much joy and chills 😅☺️
It's all fake
Well - it makes me laugh my ass off!
Nuclear thermal rocket engine sounds like something Wil-E-Cyote would chase the Roadrunner with, but with DARPA involved, probably much more likely to work. Very interesting!
Till goes pop
Sounds safe
@koori ...... 20 Cummings Diesels... V-8's. They run for ever
It took 25 years to get JWST in Space, so I don't see a manned space craft that can stay on Mars for practical reasons and usage for at least 25 more years, and that's being super optimistic 😂
Yep. These ultra-Mars enthusiasts are seriously deluded in their forcasted timelines. Much of all this hoopla originates with Musk, and is just publicity for SpaceX, I believe. But, 20 or fewer years from now, Musk's idealistic forecasts are going to create a negative mood towards him and SpaceX because of unfullfilled dreams and actual delusions.
I'd estimate 125years.
100 years.
That's because JWST is a scientific tool with gov funding and organization. Private companies move much faster.
Def not by nasa.
My thoughts are that it's a crazy thing expecting people to travel for two years in such a confined object and an out of this world experience,the astronauts must be very brave but what about the families they leave behind,I think it's an impossible mission, just remember how lighthouse keepers found it difficult to cope in isolation for several weeks so imagine years,ya can't imagine it.
Plus they probably won't return. The first will die up there. Things go wrong.
Adam Tyrell. Yes it does sound very daunting and dangerous, but I really believe that there
will be people who are willing to undertake the challenge. They will be very special people
with very high qualifications and training, very psychologically stable and very physically
fit and their spirit of adventure and determination will overcome any fear they may have.🎉
It’s essentially a suicide mission for the betterment of mankind
@@travisgrant5608 It's worse. They die for nothing... leaving Earth to claim a dead, utterly sterile, radiation soaked ball of rock and toxic dust. Our culture has really messed up values and priorities.
training, dedication...First crew will rewrite the history books..
We are still very prehistoric when you come to space travel. Rockets are like old school
😂
They may be old school, but we have no alternative.
The wheel is also old school, but it does not mean it is not still the best solution to the problem.
Human Technology is constantly advancing. At some point we'll use new propulsion systems and methods of travel to explore our universe
In one word: ''Deadly.'' Goooood luck to the first adventurers...do send postcards!
A hundred years from now we'll still be planning a Mars mission. Just an opinion. A bit like nuclear fusion.
Agree!
Ah so you have the inside scoop on it then? I know a journalist who would pay you a few thousand for your sources and story if you'd like.
@@Mikhail-Tkachenko Why would you do that? We know this fantasy trip to Mars is not happening in the next 10 years. The James Webb telescope took a zillion years to build and put into space. Now think about landing humans on Mars.
Exactly. If humans have not regressed into the Era of Stupidity.
Nuclear Fusion is never going to be viable, even if they manage to do it. However, there are no insurmountable technical issues will getting to Mars and establishing a permanent presence. Quite why anyone would want to go there is beyond my understanding, it sounds like a vision of Hell to me.
Send me to mars , i'm already spending all my time alone 🥲 . Being stuck in a spaceship with 2-3 people is an upgrade to my social situation 😅
@@davebryant8050I agree. Go to the library and challenge yourself to talk to someone. Only small talk. “A bit chilly outside”, “when you’re finished with that book, can I get it”…….
😂😂😂😂
@@davebryant8050I can't believe how dense you are. What are you even doing?
poor guy
It was sarcasm 😂 but thanks
2 years in a tin can? air supply? food? , water? heating, power? radiation shields? All these need to be sorted out just on the way there. Once on Mars, a liveable sturdy domicile with air supply? food? , water? heat? power, radiation shields? Would all need to be erected before the first ship even arrives on Mars. The resource logistics for such a venture, would be critical path to the survival of the crew. If you had sufficient resources to get there , to last the duration of your stay on Mars, and the return journey back to earth, you would only need to worry about everything else that could go wrong. Thus sickness of crew, contagion of unknown viruses, life threatening accidents , malfunctioning of critical systems and equipment, and a myriad of other unexpected things, like meteor storms, dust storms, etc, that could be deadly to the crew. If this venture /mission was truly ever undertaken, the life expectancy, or survival of the astronauts would be minimum. That is , not many, if any, would ever return safely back home to earth alive. There are just way too many deadly factors , any one of them, which could result in a total mission failure. So dream on, and fantasise all you like, but the odds , if you really consider them, are stacked against a successful mission.
That's correct. Thank you
Actually you’re right, which is why we still have to do it.
Many volunteers will accept that necessary fate. Same as the first marines when told ‘Take That Hill’ also know their fate.
The benefit is: while they are there they and many computers and machines report hundreds and thousands of reports on countless areas of importance.
My point is: We must start SOMEWHERE! We must learn on the ‘Fly’. If we start the process now, we could conceivably do the trip say…, 10-15 years.
I’m 74 now and I’m SURE I’ll be alive to see it.
Many said flight wasn’t possible, Then they said ok, but it’s too dangerous, then they said “Get A Horse”
I mean l can tell by the way you talk you’re intelligent, however Americans Dream!
I don’t feel any of that sentiment in you remarks.
Do if you’re an American.., Act, Talk, And DREAM LIKE OBSESSED!!
Exactly. Staying for 30 days is the dumbest thing ever. And to use expendable rockets? Unreal
robots, will be the future, they are already being tested in restaurants
Once they get there, it won't even be a relief or chance to rest, but a different kind of hell.
imagine being on a coach flight for 2 years?
Economy Plus.
I'll take the exit row.
Beans and wienies again tonight ?
What is the next up from economy plus
Won't be flying for 2 years gowls😅
ayo star wars is about to be real. i use to dream of walking on mars. i can not wait wait for this man. i hope i live to see this
Just seeing all of these older people here wanting to see us walk on mars is making me want it to happen even sooner. Thank all of you old timers for giving us the stepping stones to make this happen.
I can't be bothered to watch this. Could someone please explain to me how NASA proposes to keep the astronauts from dying of cancer in the hard radiation of space? Also, if they did get to Mars alive, what do they propose to do about the incredibly toxic environment there, and continued hard radiation? The seldom-admitted truth about the ISS is that it is actually in the upper fringes of the atmosphere ( that's why it constantly needs to be 'boosted' ) and is well within the protection of the planet. Otherwise it would be a deathtrap. Robots exploring space makes sense. Humans exploring space is idiocy, until the robots find something worthwhile out there. Even then, robots can probably do it better.
Chinese military scientists believe the tardigrade’s cells improve a human's ability to withstand radiation and potentially other diseases, so scientists in China are already looking into it, and most of Chinese science is stolen from the USA so it wouldn't surprise me if NASA is actively working on this
Space is so vast i wonder how far we will travel but we have a few billion years to come up with something
Google "The Great Filter"
An unmanned mission to Mars is one thing, but a manned mission to Mars is something far more challenging and dangerous
They're blinded by their dreams and idealism. These 'Mars enthusiasts' never mention the logistical, technological, physical, FINANCIAL and biological hurdles and barriers standing in the way of actually, 'living on Mars'. No one wants to live permanently in Antarctica, so, why would anyone want to live permanently, or even indefinitely, on the Moon or Mars?
A 2 year journey without gravity. I'll have to see it to believe it. Until they work out a viable artifical gravity system, any manned venture to Mars is going to be difficult if not impossible.
Totally agree, among all the other seemingly intractible problems of actually staying on Mars for over two years. IOWs, we could probably get there, but what about living there for over two years? ISS astronauts that spend more than 6 months on the station come back to Earth totally fucked up!
We have no idea how to keep people alive off Earth for 9 months transit to Mars, 2 years and 2 months there, and 9 months return to Earth. The ISS is pretty large, and, with an average of six astronauts stationed there at a time, it has to be resupplied with oxygen, water, food, and medical supplies every MONTH for Christ's sake!
Couldn't the gravity problem be solved simply by rotating the spacecraft at the right speed?
Centrifuges.
@@TheRichestManInBabylon-s7d 'In Other Words'.
@@John-wg6xw
Google the 'Coriolis Effect'
Until the Trip to Mars can be made in less than a week I am fine right here on earth .
Currently fastest is 9-7 months. I am sure that will be rapidly reduced once we use nuclear energy to proper the trip. Would be easier and faster to return to earth from Mars.
You won't live to see the day when regular folks can go.
@@lmdetect trip for normal folks will be 2030. R u living in a cave?
2030 will be the 2nd colony trip. Will be open for normal people.
"can be made in less than a week... fine right here on earth".... why? There's Nothing your doing in your life now that you cant be doing on the ship to mars. (For alot of people generally) :)... not trying to pick a fight. Its just kinda true. :)
If landing on Mars is going to be an island hopping venture, such as first having a base on the moon and then jumping off from there, don't hold your breath, if the last 55 years progress can be extrapolated into the future, ain't no way it's going to happen in 200 or more years. It's nice to dream but a dream without a goal is a hallucination
Sorry to say 'Not quite there yet' is a bit of an understatement. Just a few scientific impossibilities to overcome before we get to Star Trek. Travelling Faster than Light, Mechanical teleportation -that sort of thing.
According to the late (and great) theoretical physicist Freemon Dyson, it would take the equivalent energy of the entire Milky Way Galaxy to warp space like Captain Kirk and Company. That's not just the energy emanating from the Galaxy's 200 Billion Plus suns, but the potential energy contained in every ATOM of this Galaxy!
"Sorry... 'Not quite there yet' is a bit of an understatement".... DEI, BLM, CRT, LEGBHGF+.... get your priorities straight human. AI aint got those concerns and will solve FTL Travel quickly. My Predic
Just wonderful! I feel so upbeat! Ever since my childhood, space exploration never failed to ignite my imagination.
The cosmic radiation may be the most difficult thing to overcome for these missions.
First they have to figure out how to get to the moon which never seems to happen. :(
Nice thing is NASA when they land can go for a drink at SpaceX Mars bar.
I asked SpaxeX to name that bar after me for a million dollars. "Bart's Mars Bar." Wouldn't you know, they don't need the money. Curses NASA!
I’m sure Spacex will send over a taxi (based on a Tesla) to pick up any NASA astronauts for a visit to Elon City.
Water will be very hard to come by on Mars, so I doubt they'll use a drop of it to brew beer. That's just Musk and his typical bullshit. [edit] Whatever water they'll be able to extract, detoxify, purify, and filter will be used to drink, make oxygen, or feed food crops. (And btw, good luck growing anything in Martian "soil" eh, regolith, because that Martian dirt is a toxic cocktail riddled with perchorates, arsenic, lead, and mercury.)
Knowing Elon there will be a brothel there too.
@@Cwra1smith for sure. Basically total recall IRL
Love the TKS nod in one of the animations! 😍
All this money spent on this pipe dream could be better spent on solving the problems on this Earth planet !
The ignorance...
@@Dqriashuayour right, this is much better than curing cancer.
The research for such trip is what ends up as the next technology you use to make life easier.
A waste of money and earth resources to go to a planet where nothing grows. I totally agree with your comment.
But Nasa are not spending their own money you silly. When you realize the big scam, then you will understand why they are doing it.
Have you guys forgotten about SpaceX? I thought they were going to send the Starship to Mars and build a colony.
Still, I'm thinking 25 years from now, we will actually have a Crew on Mars, money and human safety being the serious considerations:(
Dream on.
Elon Musk should go to Mars. One way.
Space x is the only way we get to Mars lol 😂
@@sentientflower7891why?
Excellent. Very concise overview. Thank you!
At night, Mars temperature is 100 to 190 degrees below zero (F).
They should definitely bring a warm sweater.
And some long johns.
I would insist on taking my leccy blanky too.
Just like the moon. Been there, done that.
😂
I am really loving the details here, and the idea that innovation is going to make things quicker and easier than we know at this moment. Great video.
ARE U PEOPLE DUMB, THE MOON LANDING WAS A FAKE & GOVERNMENT ALREADY HAS TELEPORTATION TO MARS & WORMHOLES CLASSIFIED
Yeah, innovation is just a wish away!
@@jelink22 And if not, it's because you're not wishing hard enough!
Just got Apple TV and we are watching For All Mankind. It’s a great show and wonderful to thinking that these things HAVE and WILL come to pass!
This would make a good science fiction movie. That's about all this is. Even the tiny part about colonizing the Moon... infrastructure there... living there... manufacturing and processing facilities there... producing and making what you need there...
If the countries of the world got together and attempted it, that one little part alone is still a pipe dream.
Jason Bourne already made that mooovy
Not sure if Mars can be a habitable planet considering that it’s gravity is a fraction to that on Earth, it’s just not suited for human life, It’s probably a better idea to construct Mall-sized living space ecosystems with either centripetal or centrifugal motion to create artificial gravity. We could print the parts in space and assemble it all in space. Sure, do the Mars stations and exploration but gravity is the elephant in the room that needs to be front and center in the continuing need to journey out into the heavens. Without solving Earth-like gravity problem, we might as well scrape the idea of routine long-hall space exploration.
Jesus Christ, artificial gravity is not real
@@dantrav1927 You can create gravity in space through centripetal motion.
@@patricktuorto No you cant, never been done, only theoretical.
@@dantrav1927 there’s a video of an astronaut demonstrating the creation of gravity through centripetal force using liquid in a plastic pouch. Not only can it be done, it has been done. It’s just a matter of logistics for space travel/space stations at this point.
@@patricktuorto lol
This is good! Wow, lots of comments. I appreciate the work you put into this. Thank you for the entertainment.. I watch The Space Race often.
The long duration mission actually sounds safer if we can't use a rotating vehicle. On the other hand if we can then the short duration mission would clearly be better. Its possible (really not that difficult) to simulate 1G in space with a teather and counterweight.
It will have to be a big one, cannot rotate a small ship, people would get sick
Keep dreaming ...MORONS!!!
I sure hope we land on Mars during my lifetime! (I am not in my first youth) I would really like to witness that!
First youth?
Are you 3- or 4-years young? Then it probably will probably happen in your last few years on earth, when you are about 89- or 93-years young.
Maybe you will be reincarnated.
i like how you, as well as nasa, make it sound so doable :) i wish humans lived longer. hopefully it happens before im an old man
It won't we haven't even landed on the moon yet we all been scammed by the government its all bs
@@michaelmcmillan8815 Only BS is what's coming out of your mouth.
The disc shape must be launched in pie slices/ Vandenberg facility.
Great goals but seems highly unlikely that this will ever happen due to the costs and risks involved.
Dreams 40. When I was little I asked my mother if we would ever have colour tv and she
said she didn’t think so, but years later here we are with colour tv!😅
Haha very naive to equate colour tv with a trip to mars
@@rocquecaceres9221 It’s not naive at all, when I was little colour telly seemed as far away as going to Mars
was in this day and age, don’t be so nasty I was only a child.
Let's get t9 the moon first
Actually best to go direct from Earth to Mars.
As it actually takes more fuel to go to the Moon than to go to Mars. This is because at the moon, you can’t use aerobraking.
These intros are getting REALLY good. Been watching every video on both your channels for over a year and just want to say good job team 👏 👏
Wait what's the other channel? Just found this one and it's phenomenal
@@RailithicEmporthus The Tesla Space
@@RailithicEmporthus you’ll love it.
@@EvanDaniell thanks friend! Much appreciated
Wonderful cartoon and plan. Now, all they have to do is figure out how not to die from exposure to radiation after a few months on the Mars.
If we figure out how to build and maintain a base on the moon, then Mars or another moon visit can be considered. The “new” technologies keeping humans on the moon , I think , will make visiting Mars possible.
My children’s grandchildren will still be in the lifetime of planning a trip to Mars lol.
Where did all this information come from? Specifically the Artemis 10+ missions and Mars mission durations? Adding your sources to the description would allow people to get more info and would be a great way to maintain credibility!
I first heard most this back in the 1970's, not much has changed.
We are not going to Mars with rockets, we need a more advanced means of propulsion to get us there and secretly we have it
Where do I sign up
Half of me thinks, what's the point in going to Mars, and then the other half of me thinks, we might as well because we'll never get any further than that anyway because of the distances and the time it would take to get there is beyond anything a human could withstand.
We will see if this happens. Radiation will be the real threat
Artificial gravity would make the journey so much easier for humans!
Magnets?
@@joolanch2848 Some kind of magnetic resistance between the spacesuit and ship that mimics gravity, interesting.
It's just inexcusable how little (as in, pretty much no) research has been done on free-space centrifugal 'gravity' and its effects on mammalian biology.
2 Starships (or whatever) at opposite ends of a long tether (at least a few hundred meters, to minimize Coriolis forces), spun end-over-end during the coast phase, and folks can just get out and walk when they get there (make it .5g, say, and they'll be all John Carter...as opposed to just better than Charles Xavier).
And the Artemis plan is an excruciatingly Byzantine hodge-podge of extraneous steps. Some variant of "Mars Direct" (cf. Robert Zubrin's The Case For Mars) is the way to go.
Yes, I experience Artificial Gravity when i have wind.
"The alien agenda, if revealed, would undoubtedly send shockwaves through humanity, forever altering our perception of reality. Mundane interests and burdensome mortgages would become trivial matters in the face of mind-bending physics and extraordinary discoveries. With unequivocal proof of the human Soul and the afterlife, a new era of communication with the deceased would commence, allowing us to explore realms beyond our wildest imagination. As the Soul's ability to traverse the universe at the speed of thought is unveiled, the very fabric of our existence would undergo an unprecedented transformation. No longer plagued by unanswered questions or unsolved crimes, humanity would stand on the precipice of a truly remarkable future."
I hope I live long enough to see a thriving community of humans in space.
Really? Why? I would never give up living on Earth to move to such an uninhabitable (and dangerous)
environment.
Now if they found an Earth twin (or better) and had a way to get there in a few weeks, maybe.
@@apollo11guy Why did people first sail the oceans (a completely inhospitable environment for humans). It's part of our nature to want to explore.
@@igg3937 Those early guys were looking to make a buck. And you can hardly compare the ocean to outer space in terms of hazards. They didn't know what to expect; we know how bleak Mars is. And for what?
@@apollo11guy Expanding human knowledge? Conquering something difficult? Multiple reasons. People don't just explore to "make a buck".
@@igg3937 Columbus did. And it did not cost nearly as much as this Mars stuff is going to cost. Are people really going to want to leave earth and move there?
We are explorers looking for the next great adventure. What is behind or around the next corner
Well, the parts about human curiosity and determination were spot on. But humans will have to wait a couple of generations before they see humans on the surface of Mars. The videogame dreamers of today who think they're gonna see it will be long gone before it happens.
Artemis 10 amnd 11 do not exist, they are just currently 'proposed' but without any planned idea of what they would be used for. Artemis 12 isn't even a proposed flight. Pretty much this entire video is at best speculation and at worst flights of fancy all decked out as if it's real. There appears to have been no real investigation and research done by the author and instead this appears to be his wishful thinking.
Wishful thinking is fine just so long as you make it clear that that is what it is, and don't hold it out as fact.
If the trip includes 1 CD of a botched up version of the song Older by They Might Be Giants being played on a recoder on repeat for 10 hours then thats about the only song that would be a morale booster for the crew knowing its a one way trip, i wouldnt be rocking to AC/DC knowing that im not coming back to Earth from Mars
Stephen Baxter wrote a book called Voyage. Using Apollo technology with a gravity assist using Venus to add extra speed, a manned mission could've been done in the 1980s. It's a well written story worth checking out.
How do we know they aren't already going?
@@brianbartolomeo107 Gee, when was that launch?
I wrote a book called 'never went to the moon', check that out.
@@MrMarco855 Then you sir are a fiction writer.
@@MrMarco855 what??
Glad to see you promoting Nuclear Thermal, I get tired of those that promote the money pit VASIMR. Pretty good break down although I suspect the plans will change once SpaceX's StarShip is operational, with the new Raptor3 engines the amount that will be able to be lofted beyond orbit in a single launch gets much bigger. Generally speaking plans use hardware available or very near available to make decisions but when a dramatic shift in capability comes online plans change.
Before revisiting the Moon or voyaging to Mars cleaning up what we can out of Earth orbit is needed. The astronauts onboard the International Space Station have to cower in a protective area because of space debris that could impact the station.
I am pretty sure any plans NASA has for a Mars mission will be altered by what SpaceX does with Starship in the next few years. By the late 2020s all NASA's exploration plans will be built around what Starship is capable of doing and has demonstrated.
We'll see. And rather quickly at that, or not.
I think NASA might be taking a step back and looking at reviving the Saturn 5 rockets at this rate.
Well, so far, SpaceX has shown it can make a big dust cloud.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver And let us all put our hands together to celebrate that, FFS. 54 years ago, rocket technology was putting man on the Moon. Now we're supposed to jump up and down celebrating because one actually left the launch pad. Then we're meant to clap even louder when a controlled detonation of the rocket occurs FFS, FFS!
One small step for mankind, one giant leap for marketing departments. FFS.
How do people get sucked into this garbage.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 The Musk crowd acts as if all those prior achievements don't matter. It's almost a Jim Jones thing.
Nobody ever talks about the "Moondogs"!
Or the Clangers.
My brother's first job out of college was with Mac Dac, building bits of the ISS, or the Boeing Space Station, it's nick name after Boeing bought macdac. We've been science geeks since birth, Dad was USAF electronics and Motor Pool trainer, If it drove on base he could drive it, and teach you how to as well. thanks for the videos
It's not possible. At least not with current technology.
*Have a Wonderful Winter Solstice.*
A traditional celebration dating back more than 5000 years in which the Sun is literally rebirthed in the passageway of an ancient tomb, (where have you heard that before?)
"The Grand Passage Tomb", a World Heritage site.
A celebration of life and renewal, peace and camaraderie with food, song, dance drink and good cheer.
Happy Holidays.
Let the Sunshine In...
*Be Happy*
.
The blooming space-age blows my mind and inspires me to get healthy and finish my education so that I can experience these monumental times... Imagine what the world could accomplish together...
It's fascinating to think about other planets, but to leave our blue marble to go live on a dead dust ball is insane.
Hope the journey will happen in our lifetime!
We are two hundred years away from going to Mars
At least
@@davebryant8050 we've been to the moon mate
And by that time we will have finally figured out that there really is not much of a reason or purpose to send humans to such an inhospitable place. Why send people when AI Robots will be able to perform the same tasks without the danger to humans. I just can't see it taking off myself ;-)
No , just a few if Musk has his way .
Ok Einstein
If humans would put our egos aside we could be making so many strides in exploring and understanding the universe. Humans are the weakest link and most expensive part of these missions. let the robots go explore and we can figure out how to join them in the future!
I agree with you, to a point. But, without those human egos, we wouldn't have the robotic probes in the first place! :) We're all fallible, my brother, or sister.
Humans are top busy sinning to care about this nerdy stuff
Dois anos de viagem? Ok, estou pronto!!!!!
It's nice to live in a perpetual dreamworld. Sometimes, however, one has to come down out of the soft and fluffy clouds and get a dose of reality. We can't even take a remotely reasonable trip to the moon. Two of our shuttles got blown into smithereens. Good luck to those suicidal maniacs who volunteer to blast off to eternity...I mean Mars.
It is sad the US did not settling the Moon 45 years ago.
true, society could be so much more advanced if we did
Too bad all the funding went from one war to the next.
@@801oap yep
But the US decided to give billions of dollars to Israel every years instead. Never forget USS Liberty.
Yes, they could have had a great moon base today to allow them to build and service other rockets.
Exciting times, I hope I’m still around to see mard landing 👍🌙🚀🚀
Wonderful! ❤
Too much to go wrong. The astronauts are going to die. It's not worth it.
7:35 - Hold up.... by what logic is longer transit better than longer stay on Mars? Based on below, I would posit that shorter transit would be the way more desirable option.
1) Gravity: At least you have a decent amount on Mars. Supplement with resistance training (think stretching/hydrolic/pneumatic items rather than weight plates) and cardio, you might be minimally OK. In transit, micro-G is a lot worse for you, relatively speaking.
2) Radiation: On Mars, a cave or other subterranian habitat could help mitigate exposure. Plus you could "pre-ship" additional shielding. In space, it's whatever shielding you bring with you, and that means more weight to propel and other considerations come into play.
3) Supplies (food, water, spare parts, etc.): Similar pros/cons as #2 (e.g., "pre-ship" additional versus carry all with you)
4) Mental health: you can more easily vary routine and environment on Mars. Take a walk, ride a rover, etc. In transit, "the same 4 walls" the entire time.
I look forward to a possible healthy debate on this.
All these seems too expensive and hard to accomplish in the long term, at least to me, it would be an incredible success if they do it, but I'm not sure about the Nasa's capability of having enough budget for so many years.
Yes, I read it would cost to much, would take all the money in the world, to build a Conley on Mars
ARE U PEOPLE DUMB, THE MOON LANDING WAS A FAKE & GOVERNMENT ALREADY HAS TELEPORTATION TO MARS & WORMHOLES CLASSIFIED
>
Government is always of the opinion that the taxpayers have too much money.
Why not take it and spend it on cool toys?
Curiousity KILLED the cat!!!
That didn't stop Magellan, Drake, Cook, Columbus, the Vikings . . . .
@dougball328 they all had oxygen to breath, food to eat and as many women they wanted to make love too.
Your point is f'n ridiculous.
@@dalezegarelli5553 I suggest you get counseling for your anger issues. Do you really think there were women on those ships? They were at sea for months at a time. Oh, look for a cure for your ignorance, too.
@@dougball328 you are the one who thinks traveling to Mars is possible. Who is the ignorant one?
@dougball328 if there is ever a ship that can get out of earth's orbit and travel 6 months to an unhabital planet.
I HOPE YOU ARE ON IT! lmao!!
Like I said; curiosity killed the cat!!
they should've been doing this decades ago, they landed on the moon in 69'
It’s very exciting to look ahead to see what the future is gonna be like.🚀🤓⚡️
Great video!
Why are we acting like we won’t massively be using humanoid robots enabled with generative AI as part of Mars and other manned space missions that are at least 2 years out? Probably at minimum 3:1 ratio robot to human. I feel like the technological concept should be updated post-gpt4.
All this talk about landing humans on Mars is a bunch of hooey. First of all, by doing so, any nation or group of nations would be violating the Outer Space Treaty, which, in one clause, the Planetary Protection Clause,prohibits the contamination by human intrusion of any celestial body.
It's astute of you that you mention AI, because AI is how we're going to end up directly and with human control, exploring Mars and other bodies in detail, i.e., through teleorobotics.
In other words, (I and others believe), that once we are able to actually proactively explore Mars, we will do so from manned space stations in Martian orbit, with people communicating and controlling robots on the surface in real time. (well, with a split-second delay). Teleorobotics. THAT is the real future of humans exploring pristine, albeit probably dead, worlds.
But we don't know for a fact that Mars is dead, and until we do, we have no business or moral or ethical reason to actually land people on the surface, as we will contaminate it with our microbiome. Robots and rovers can be sterilized, humans cannot be!
That seems like a bit of a leap. We’ve got the AI, ish, but we don’t even slightly have humanoid robots that could crew a space mission.
I watched Neil Armstrong step on the moon when I was 6 years old. Still remember it like it was yesterday. I hope to watch someone repeat that feat on Mars.
you watched a hoax
When I watched Star Trek as a young girl I was always over exited about space. I used to talk for hours with my grandfather about it. When I asked him when we would be able to really explore space he gave me the following answer. When mankind will find a way to overcome all it's differences and stop all the bloody wars and quarreling on this planet, when man will get enlightened enough to work together as a team we will find a way to explore space for real. It may still take a while, we are slow learners. His view on things had probably to do with him fighting in WWII.
Anyway it makes me happy that there is progress in space exploration. On the other hand there is still a lot of bad will and concurrence between nations. it would be amazing what could be accomplished if all nations would put their knowledge together and make it happen. In fact this is for all the many challenges we need to tackle on this Earth of ours.
You grand papa was a visionary. We will explore space despite our differences. It may take longer, but we will get there. Cheers good lady.
...very well said my dear...your Grandfather is a wise man...my dad was also a wwll veteran. As you mention, there are many more issues here on our earth to address than worrying about Mars...We must figure a way "fix" ourselves and our differences, if that is even possible...I fear that it will never come to fruition...man is too greedy and power hungry...
@@ltdees2362 We can only hope Tom and be positive. For our children and grandchildren… they deserve a better world.
Its a pipe dream. This species continues to kill one another with reckless abandon. We should take some lessons from the other top predator on the planet.. Orca. they do NOT kill like kind.
Only the DEAD have seen the end of ware.
Not saying it can't or won't happen someday, but we can't even get our crew off the International Space Station so I'm thinking landing humans on Mars is at least a half century or more in the future.
Crazy to see just how much we’ve progressed in just a century ago. Hell, we barely even had the light bulb figured out lol
It's crazy what white people are able to accomplish
Happy to be alive now
And it gets faster and faster. Imagine the time when nothing would really change for centuries.
Don t worry they will film it in a studio like the moon landings ,nobody was hurt😂
They already have hired CGI movie producer James Cameron ( maker of those Avatar movies) full time for the I.S.S. videos.
And the morons will believe its real
As much as I love the idea of humans managing to land on Mars, I find it impossible to imagine anyone surviving the journey with the technology and speeds currently available. The human body just plain isn't designed to live outside of gravity and natural oxygen conditions for such extended time. We are only in the infant stages of studying the impact of short stays on the space station. The changes in body dynamics is profound and much of them may be permanent. The eyes change, the pressures in the brain change, the brain itself changes, bone density changes. It's an enormous dream to think humans can overcome all of this any time soon. My hunch is we need decades of unmanned missions to figure out what, if anything, Mars offers people back on earth. I can't see how living there is worth striving for without first testing long range living on the moon...Sure hope I'm wrong but I am not at all optimistic any of this will happen for decades if not much longer.
TLDR...