When Batman is flying around the room, beating a crowd of thugs unconscious one by one while barely even touching the ground, I can feel it in my soul. It’s fucking amazing.
@@FullFatVideos the story really was nothing to write home about imo, especially considering what we have now like King In Black which is arguably the best Venom centered storyline, but there really isn’t any other game that gives you the same feeling of Spider-Man at his prime, moving extremely fast on land, air, and walls, but still hitting very hard. Plus it introduced me to Moon Knight, a character who was rarely touched on in other media, and now one of my favorite marvel characters.
I can still remember playing this game as a kiddie, back in 08…. Game was badass then, and even better now. My favorite thing to do was throw cars, Tendril-pulling enemies, and finishing enemies off with Black Suit’s fully upgraded aerials.
@@FunnyVidzzYouLike The amount of speed and momentum you can get in the swinging in web of shadows is still unmatched. The swinging is good in new Spider-Man but doesn't have nearly the amount of speed and freedom that web of shadows has.
@@FunnyVidzzYouLike Insomniac swinging is great but it feels kinda like autopilot by comparison It's slick and cinematic but it's less rewarding Wish they'd offer a classic option too
I’m on board with your thesis, but there’s one thing I’ll disagree with, and that’s the comment on pacing in Marvel’s Spider-Man. Not about the MJ or Miles missions, mind you. Those sequences can go die in a fire. Rather, I don’t think the Spider-Man game would have worked nearly as well without the Peter Parker stuff. The Bruce Wayne/Batman dichotomy is such that you don’t really need to focus on Bruce’s life at all to have a good Batman story. Bruce has no real compunction about shredding his personal life or image in the service of justice as long as it serves a greater purpose. His personal life is so insulated by his crazy amount of wealth that he gets away with people thinking that Bruce Wayne is a jerk or just a vapid playboy. On the other hand, great Spider-Man stories balance the cost of being Spider-Man with the sacrifice it takes on being Peter Parker. The toll on Peter and the conflict of what he wants to do vs. what he needs to do IS the story. Spider-Man can’t be interesting without Peter Parker.
I’m happy to see someone give Arkham Knight the respect it deserves. Marathoning the Arkham series is always a good time for me, that gameplay is smooth as butter!
I agree about the Spider-Man PS4 combat. It was ok but I felt like something was missing in the combat plus I ended up using the gadgets to fight the enemies most of the time in that game which I shouldn't be the case in a Spider-Man game. The Batman games the combat was so much fun it felt like I was fighting as Batman.
I had a long diatribe typed out going into what makes the various gadgets not work and how having a quickfire option would have helped them at least flow in combat better, but in retrospect, none of the enemies requires specific gadgets to counter them, so even then it wouldn't work cohesively because you'd still be randomly throwing out special moves left and right with no explanation for how Spider-Man is carrying so many gadgets, why he's using them against regular thugs, or why he'd ever want to cycle through different gadgets during a combat encounter (if he doesn't need to). Batman's gadget wheel makes sense because the gadgets are part of his character; but Spider-Man's only consistent gadget is his webshooters. Everything else he does is either by modifying them with every-day crap, or through tricks he does with his standard webshooters. It just doesn't make any narrative sense for Spider-Man to have the gadgets and it doesn't work in the confines of the gameplay because you have to pause the gameplay to open the gadget wheel to select them... on top of, again, having no narrative justification for Spidey using or having them.
Funnily enough for me it was the opposite, it wasn't until super late game that I really even bothered using the gadget outside of webbing up the big guys. Lime the guy before me said, it would have been really good to have a quick fire thing, also if there was actual variety to the gadgets.
Hey now, don't sleep on Web of Shadow's web swinging. My personal favorite in the series because of the incredible animations and the depth that is offered if you experiment with it enough. There are tons of hidden mechanics that make swinging feel really personal.
Agreed. I personally love how we can instantly go from Web Swinging to Combat without even letting go of the button, Spidey kicking while mid swinging. That always felt amazing to me.
@@santiviera literally the only game where swinging kicks are a 100% viable option. Still requires some skill, but isn't nearly as impossible to aim and thanks to the fluidity of the air combat, pops every enemy into the air for some aerial combos. So satisfying.
Yea the web swinging is the best and has such a good feeling of momentum and speed to it. The swing kicking is also amazing. You can swing kick into a whole group of enemies and they all go flying. Whereas in Spider-Man ps4 you can only swing kick one enemy at a time and it is very slow.
@@xgrillsenx the speed cap once you get the max level is practically non-existent, too. Puts every other swinging speed to shame. I once swung so fast that the camera couldnt keep up, and then Spidey hit a wall and instantly died. I was so confused and amazed that something like that could happen because I was too good at swinging lol
Paul Dini had zero involvment in writing *Arkham Knight.* Here's his response: "According to Dini: "The last talk I had with Warner Interactive about future games was while I was doing promotion for Arkham City last September. Naturally as there was such a rush of interest about Arkham City, everyone was asking me about a third game, and frankly, I had been wondering about that myself. When I asked about the possibility of working on a third game I was told that as Rocksteady had just finished wrapping the second one, it would be a while before everyone was ready to sit down and discuss future plans. That said, it was intimated that for future games, Warner and Rocksteady might not be looking as much to freelance writers, the message being, that if I had something else interesting coming my way, I might want to take it." So essentially Rocksteady moved to a writer who actually worked for them in house rather than a freelancer like Dini." By u/Batknigh12 from the r/batman subreddit.
My vote for the next Superhero that should try to make the most perfect version of them in a game: Aquaman Make underwater combat different from surface combat. Give us proper twirling trident attacks, calling in aquatic life to maintain combos. If an enemy gets hit by you send them flying. Aquaman is strong! Plus what amazing open worlds could they build for you to explore!?
Honestly do we need more different superhero games I would love individual justice league hero games batman and wonder women are having and had games now. We just need flash, greenlantern, superman, Martian man hunter or cyborg , and aquaman game and we can then finish it up with a justice leauge game.
Totally agree. I love all of Insomniac games and got platinum on every of them (Spider man, Racket and Clank, Spyro etc), but Arkham is just on another level. Legendary projects
I wished you also talked about the amazing X men origins: Wolverine game its the best Wolverine game out there and really makes you feel like you are Logan and has an amazing combat system
Dang, you just gonna ignore Arkham Origins like that? Sure it didn't make huge strides but the new look and incredible boss fights with the electro-gloves made me feel so damn badass. The new voice actors actually did a great job, considering they were following up Conroy and Hamill. Plus being able to play as Deathstroke with Arkham combat was just awesome
I would argue the Insomniac's Spider-man (don't forget the hyphen between spider and man) has a combat system that does make you feel like Spider-man if you use it effectively. Just using striking, countering won't get you that feeling. But when you add in the webbed based gadgets and are able to effectively switch between all of those gadgets in mid combat as well as flinging objects at the enemy is fun. Though being able to battle opponents on a wall would really make the game for me. Some of the gadgets throw off the flow of the combat for me though, like the gravity bomb only really has one good use and that's when your getting overwhelmed by enemies and I really enjoy the feeling of being overwhelmed and still coming out triumphant. And throwing objects at your enemy when your on the ground really throws off the flow of the combat. But that's really the only thing I don't like
But even using all the powers there is a rhythm to Arkham that Spidey just can’t replicate. It’s awkward and slow by comparison in my opinion. Thanks for commenting!
I agree lol Spider-Man made feel like Spider-Man. When I played i was not even touching the ground I was all air combos I was basically doing the things he showed in the old Spider-Man game. I had whole enemy encounters were I didn't touch the ground lol and thats were the gravity gadget came in handy but I rarely used gadgets unless to mix it up. I would also use ground & air combat together to mix it up. I had a blast trying to make the sickest way to beat everyone up. The gadget scroll wheel is kinda trash do since it takes you out the fight but I would swap fast so I didn't mind but it was prone to miss clicks. One of the thing I fond enjoyable in Spider-Man is that you can be creative with your combat and how you wana approach enemy's juggling people around while batman is just punching and dodging and countering the counter with in a set way and keeping the combo going. Both are enjoyable but both are different I personally like Spider-Man more but batman beat Saber type of fighting is great aswell. I wonder how this youtube guy played Spider-Man ps4 lol.
Alright I looked up spiderman web of shadows and jesus that games fighting looks cool idk if it feels fun to pull off but yeah spiderman ps4 should get more development in spidrrman 2 to add some more cool fun stuff.
Glad to know I wasn’t the only one who didn’t feel as Good Playing Spider-Man in SMPS4 as I did as Batman in Arkham Knight. Still both amazing Games, Though Batman Arkham Origins is still my Favorite game Ever!
Finishing a combo by quick fire grappling an enemy and clothesline slamming him to the ground has always been my go to finisher in Arkham city and Knight.
Sir, I'm finally thankful that you counted Web Of Shadows. People always talk about who's the strongest, if it's Tobey, Tom, Andrew, or Yuri's version. But they never heard of this version, like this dude is OP asf
The Incredible Hulk Ultimate Destruction and it's spiritual successors the 2 prototype games did a great job with their gameplay of making the player feel like a good among men something the infamous games never did for me
I couldn’t agree more. Arkham has the best combat in gaming and while most of the games that try to emulate its combat are good, they have yet to do it better. Arkham Knight was the pinnacle of the combat with Origins being a close second. Personally, if a person says that the combat is just button-mashing, they are playing it wrong. The game gives the player easy to learn tools and makes it harder to master. After playing the Arkham games for over 10 years now, the combat is instinctual and I can still make mistakes. Spider-Man PS4 was not as fluid as it should have been and I felt that the gadgets were useless. The lack of a counter make it less fluid and quite frankly, it was frustrating at times. Glad to see someone recognises the brilliance of Web of Shadows, my favourite Spider-Man game to date.
I only played Arkham City and Origins. I love the fights, the puzzles, the character designs, the collectables, and the voice acting. They are two of my favorite games and that fight in BvS that was so much like those games was the peak of that movie. Also, the show Reacher on Amazon Prime has solid fights that remind me of the Arkham games. He often fights more than one guy, lots of elbows and knees, trapping and using the environment.
Excellent video, but a little correction on 3:23 and 5:09, Treyarch didn't develop Web Of Shadows instead the project was given to Shaba Games as Treyarch was busy working on Call Of Duty and various other projects, although they did give Shaba Games there own custom engine which is why you can see some similarities between this game and Spider-Man 3, so while they might be listed as a "developer" they wern't the ones who actually worked on the game as your wording suggests.
Arkham Knight is literally the best game I have ever played. Every gameplay element from previous Arkham games elevated to perfection and then some. Arkham Knight's combat is an industry class melee based combat system with a lot of permutations and combinations. I challenge anyone to complete the game by spamming a triangle. It's impossible. Do you know why?? Because there are different enemy types. There's an enemy with shields, enemies with electric batons, enemies with electricity running through their body, enemies with knife, medics brutes etc. and all these enemies require a specific move set to defeat them. Also, contrary to what a lot of people said, Batmobile is just 20-25 percent of the whole game and not 50 percent. People who claim tank combat is 50 percent suck at math. There are videos on UA-cam that confirm this. The story is literally awesome. Give me a Batman story where Batman is trying to resolve his personal struggle over a court of owls story anyday. Arkham knight was also much darker and grittier than any other game. The ending felt so satisfying. People thought Batman died a heroic death and the way Batman conquered his fears at the end. And I am so glad that focus wasn't on the Batfamily but Batman. After all, the tagline of the game was "Be the Batman" not "Be the Batfamily".
I've been alive for 28 years, been playing games for 23 years, there's 200 games I like, 100 games I would recommend, 20 games that are classics, and 8 that are top of their genres. The Arkham series for me is top of the story driven counter combat genre
I really wish Insomniac or some other developer took more inspiration from past Spider-man games for the combat instead of copying the basic aspects of Arkham's combat but not fully utilizing them. Web of Shadows shows what happens when developers let their creativity run wild.
@@baki484 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I mean, I'm more of a Spider-man fan than Batman, but that's just objectively wrong saying the Arkham games are "overrated". Those types of fanboys are really dumb, honestly.
@@doclouis4236 well batman is my favourite hero of all time but I can still acknowledge that the Spiderman games are on their way to surpassing batman arkham with Spiderman 2. Hell I'm more interested in Spiderman 2 and what marvel is doing with games like Wolverine and I'm dying to know what Amy henning is cooking over suicide squad and Gotham knight wonder woman is the only thing peaking my interest in DC games. I just love superheroes.
@@baki484 Well, cool to hear. Too be honest, Insomniac needs to completely overhaul the combat and make it more challenging in order to be on equal terms with the Arkham games if I'm being real here. Because very inconsistent and easy at times.
@@doclouis4236 I get what you mean it's too forgiving even in the ultimate difficulty stealth doesn't compare to arkham and the gadgets in combat are cheese mechanics that easily fill up through finishers personally those are the issues I have I also refrain from using gadgets like suspension matrix and concussive blast. I've been to comment sections and people really love marvels Spiderman and miles morales to bits you're first I who doesn't share that mentality as a discussion with them devolves into Spiderman innovated, it's the highest selling superhero game, arkham didn't win any awards combat in arkham is simple button mashing or batman sucks.
You really have my exact opinion on the games. I did enjoy my time with Spider-Man but with Arkham City being my favorite game of all time I always found the core gameplay of Spider-Man hard to swallow. But the unfortunate part is that since Spider-Man came out it seems at least to me like the general public left the Arkham games in the past, praising Spider-Man as the best superhero game yet. I do like the game (especially its story, which I do think is genuinely better than what Arkham offered) but for me it just can't measure up. Thanks for the great video and here's hoping Suicide Squad and Gotham Knights can hold up Arkham's legacy.
Ah yes, Batman being the very combatant who can fight super beings without the need of being superhuman. Spider-Man is a formidable fighter as well. He's not strong as Superman, but that doesn't mean he should be underestimated. Both Spider-Man and Batman are great crime fighters for many good reasons.
I do agree that the Insomniac Spider-Man combat feels too grounded and repetitive which takes away that Spider-Man feeling in combat because Spider-Man does zip around and fights very agile rather than hopping around a little and being grounded or just being in one spot most of the time. After a while, Peter Parker’s combat moves got repetitive and I find myself actively pressing the triangle button and holding the square button just to get a punch mixed into the combo to shake it up a little because otherwise, Peter’s combo after the first initial punch is just kicking over and over.
Arkham Knight is still the gold standard for super hero combat mechanics. Arkham City has enough nuance and balance to make it complicated, but Knight truly took it to the next level. Spider-Man PS4 and Mile Morales are lacking, the stealth and gadgets are an afterthought, they don't mesh well into the environment, they're just your choice of a projectile. In Batman, there's always experimentation in the predator sections, along with each gadget having a quirk in free flow depending on your combo meter. Arkham Asylum is still playable, but without beatdown and variation, it's too simplistic.
honestly, i know its the generic "button mash" easy to look badass combat, but i just adore the arkham combat. its the perfect system to be easy but still challenging enough to push you to get better. i wish more games had this style of combat
Web of Shadows combat, though the game is a bit unfinished, is second to none in my opinion. Slamming 15 dudes into the pavement with your thick black goo makes me tingle inside.
After watching The Batman and Batbert Battinson’s fight scenes, it makes me sort of upset that we couldn’t smack around criminals with their own guns like in the movie. Imagine instead of only being able to destroy the gun, you could use it like the bats. The sound of the gun breaking someone’s jaw or just hitting them in general would be so brutal and feel so much like BATMAN
Funnily enough, the Arkham combat system fits agile and reactive Spider-Man better than methodic Batman (who's approach really is more strategic: analyse->plan-> execute). I guess that's partially down to its core weakness being it's ability to make one on one fights interresting. That clashes a bit with a rather fitting defeat in detail approach.
Web of shadows web strike was unparalleled. Air combat in Spider-Man PS4 felt clunky and slow. Fighting the Sable agents with jet packs was annoying af because of it.
Spider-Man web of shadows in my opinion still has the most exciting swinging gameplay there are so many things to learn how to do in that game so much variety and yes I'd say that about the combat as well the momentum felt I'm that game is unlike any other Spider-Man game even the new ones from insomniac aren't that free in their gameplay
I'm so glad you're taking a look at Spider-Man: Web of Shadows in regards to combat. For years it has held the title for best Spidey combat ever, it's so fluid and fast and it's the perfect thing for the character. I strongly disliked Spider-Man PS4's combat simply for one reason: It's Batman combat, not Spider-Man combat. All the gadgets, slow-feeling movements, punches, takedowns, etc. That's all from the Arkham games and does NOT belong in a Spider-Man game.
Web of Shadows is an underrated game. Loved switching from ground combat to wall combat to air combat seamlessly. So much fun. I will defend the Insomniac Spider-Man combat though. There is a rhythm to the combat, but the problem is that it’s more optional. You can go through the game easily without taking full advantage of it, but it leaves quite a bit to be desired. Being more experimental and diversifying your moves leads to more exciting gameplay. I can easily fight through enemies from the ground then switch to enemies in the air, dodging and weaving and web striking the whole way. And for me I can easily switch through gadgets in a split second that helps add variety and style to the combat. Launching an enemy into the air, shooting them with electric webs, bringing them back down onto a group of their friends, electrifying them all, then shooting a web bomb and blasting a concussive blast is so much fun. I also love shooting an enemy into the air, webbing them up then kicking them to a wall to stick them there then web striking an enemy on the ground for more combos. There is a lot of fun to be had in the combat. I really loved mixing and matching gadgets and suit powers (using Equalizer + gadgets is a sick combo). And Miles Morales added some cool new elements with the Venom abilities. I definitely feel like Spider-Man when I’m playing those games. But yeah Web of Shadows is a fire game as well. And Arkham combat slaps.
I'd rather have insomniac tone it down with the gadgets especially the concussive blast and suspension matrix rather go for something like acid or cryo webbing if not just use web variations like shooting a web double web like batman could alternate in arkham knight between triple and single batarangs and the gadgets shouldn't refill after a finisher. The sequel well hoping for seamless switching between miles and Peter if they will be incorporating the dual combat from arkham and seamless switching between the symbiote suit/those spider arms.
While I definitely mostly agree with your statements on the Arkham games, I do think the insomniac Spider-Man games have kind of picked up where those games left off. The combat feels distinctly Spider-Man, to me at least, and most definitely the movement mechanics. I also do see how you could have the opinion do on the combat in insomniac’s games. I definitely started off the game thinking combat was basically Batman ripoff, but as I got better and gained more upgrades/gadgets something finally clicked. I found myself stringing together combos with so much variety and fluidity, using everything I had at my disposal, and you honestly can’t tell me you don’t feel badass when you get that perfect dodge on multiple gun enemies and take them all out with the instant ko follow up right after. I think, while Arkham definitely has better combat initially (and that it has pretty good variety), after trying all your options in Spider-Man it far exceeds and builds upon what rocksteady started.
I also haven’t played web of shadows to clarify. Seeing the gameplay does make me hope that with the inclusion of venom in the next insomniac game we’ll get more opportunities for combat on the sides of buildings. I loved the last fight with Octavious and seeing the combat from web of shadows made me want to see an updated version of that mode.
I agree they have picked up where arkham left off but further polish it they are close a few tweaks here and there like the webstrike and seamlessly shooting webs while moving instead of stopping to a grinding halt like in web of shadows. I'm hoping they also incorporate dual combat and stealth like arkham knight did. Those transitions were seamless but insomniac already employed the stealth variant in the heist dlc minus the switching between characters. Arkhams incorporation gadgets in combat is unrivaled with its quick fire feature. But honestly insomniac is headed in the right direction. Glad there's no co-op as well. Edit: Nevermind spiderman 2's combat is worse than the first aside from the swinging. And stealth is even more braindead.
Your thoughts on the Arkham games focusing on The Joker and setting each of them in one night are actually the main reasons why I think Spider-Man PS4 has a MUCH better story than the Arkham games. Putting aside how much it personally stretches my suspension of disbelief that Batman is able to pull off all the shit in these games in one night (discounting Asylum, that one felt reasonable enough), it forces the story to push forward at an awkward pace, never giving you the chance to get a feel for what's going on before things change. Arkham City would've been a cool place to explore, but the story never really does that, just taking you across the map. And I'd rather not get into a rant about how these games constantly giving Joker the spotlight are the specific reason why I can't stand the character at the moment, so I'll leave it with my biggest gripe with the Joker's overuse in these games: Scarecrow and the Arkham Knight, the villains that Batman: Arkham Knight spent its playtime building up, end up being footnotes to Batman dealing with the Joker again, despite him being dead.
@@triforcehero9353 I'm not opposed to him being in City or Origins, but he shouldn't have jacked the plot from the other characters. Protocol 10 feels like an afterthought in City, same with Black Mask's Assassins in Origins. Both are put on the back burner to give Joker more screentime. Compare this to Spider-Man PS4, which establishes and fleshes out two main villains, while setting up two more for the sequel.
@@Robbinson98 For me the series peaked with Asylum. No other Batman media used the same main villain 4 times. It's boring. They should've had the sequels be like the Spider Man games. Set in an open world Gotham city, where the Batmobile/Batwing is optional and you can interact with civilians and see how the crime impacts them. When Asylum came out, it wasn't the Arkham series. It was just loosely based on the graphic novel. Turning it into the Arkham series gave us limited open worlds, instead of the full city.
I couldnt disagree more with your take on Spider-Man PS4. It has a higher barrier to "badassery" and it doesn't have as high a maximum skill ceiling as Arkham, but it is pretty good in its own right.
@@izer0z I honestly think its round the same speed especially Arkham Knight, I prefer Arkhams combat since all of your gadgets have quick buttons unlike Spiderman
@@Zeff0 I like that in Spider-Man, mashing on button can't win you fights. I haven't played enough Arkham to know the skill ceiling of it, but I feel like the skill *floor* for SMPS4 is higher.
@@izer0z definitely not Spider-Man is was pretty easy to be honest compared to Batman I’m replaying the Arkham games right now and damn I forgot how good the combat was compared to Spider-Man. Still an amazing game but combat wise Batman wins easily
The Vulture fight in Web of Shadows felt so epic since your just in the air the entire fight sometimes in that game too Idk I feel like the Spider-Man fights in Web of Shadows really made me feel flexible
I feel like insomniac didn’t have peter punching dudes through concrete because they would prolly die. He’s prolly holding back but that not a good excuse
it’s so nice to see arkham knight getting praise. Arkham city used to be my fav in the series, then I got arkham knight premium edition a couple weeks ago for $8 and have been so addicted. it def surpasses city for me and this was a game I’d totally forgotten had come out cause I only got a ps4 last year and it’s just great. the combat’s so addicting, the game in general is awesome
I'm by no means a big Superhero fan, but holy hell are the Arkham games so fucking FUN. The combat flows so well & feels so weighty and visceral. That shit makes you feel like you're goddamn BATMAN.
I love that you highlighted Web of Shadows, that game feels so underappreciated thanks to its unfair reviews. That said, I do think Insomniacs' combat is good; it's easily the best Arkham clone we've had when compared to previous superhero games that also ripped of Arkham, but the Aerial Combat is lacking, whereas I think the ground combat is great and less button-mashy than Web of Shadows. I really hope we get wall combat and the Web Strike mechanic in Insomniacs' next installment, since that would be a perfect Spider-Man combat system, at least for me. Also, stop forgetting Origins, it's better than Asylum IMO lol
Also the web strike animations and transitions to the next move in web of shadows are seamless lending themselves to dynamism along with shooting webs while traversing not stopping you to a grinding halt hopefully insomniac can adress all this. And the aerial combat in web of shadows vulture bossfight need I say more?
I never played Web of Shadows but I everytime I watched a video on it I just loved the way the Web Strike looked. And I love that it's using the Todd McFarlane Spaghetti Webs.
Proper captain america game set in the modern world with flashbacks to world War 2 seamless transition between h2h and shield combat and the 2 can be mixed while the shield is bouncing around and staggering enemies in the background you can attack the other 3 with or without the shield he should be a threat.
My dream is for insomniac to take heavy inspiration from web of shadows for their sequal. But considering Miles Morales, I think they'll stick to their guns. Which is a shame. I mean the games are solid. But the swinging and combat is too streamlined for me. I don't think web of shadows is perfect at all. But It does some things that can't compare to any other game
@@FullFatVideos highly unlikely. They would have to make it from precanned animation based, to pure hit box based. And that's just not gonna happen, like the climb button. Man I miss the climb button in spidey games
@@teneesh3376 I mean we should see what they do. Looks like Spider-Man has Iron Spider arms, and considering Peter might get the symbiote, it could make for interesting gameplay.
i totally disagree with the ending, spiderman ps4 is a really great game. ive played alot of both and im not saying i dont preferer arkham, but spiderman has a great story, characters and mobility that all make for a almost perfect spiderman experience. i just wish you would have given it more credit.
I absolutely hate how people pretend that Spider-Man ps4 is the be all end all of superhero games, it’s a fun game and the traversal is amazing but that’s about it, the story is ok (if you disagree, tell me what stand apart moment you remember apart from aunt may dying ), the combat doesn’t flow well and the gadgets kinda break the flow even more
The way you described the PS4 story is kind of how I feel about Arkham Citys' plot; other than Jokers' death, I don't think it's very memorable when compared to its sequel etc.
I remember I used to play web of shadows at my cousins house on his wii all the time then when he got an Xbox he gave me all his Wii games and I spent an entire year playing that game every hit felt powerful and you were always on the move
Web of shadows was really fun, i just didn’t like how they added the sparks when he hits someone. Makes him look like he’s shooting hadoukens and kamehehas out of his hands and feet
For me the best combat is arkham Knight hand to hand combat. I know a lot of people didn’t like the tank and the story, but the hand to hand combat was the best out of the entire series in my opinion
The combat in ps4 spider man doesn't feel as good as the arkham games but honestly as of late i've been able to get the combat to look pretty good by just web striking, jumping off opponents, yanking and tossing them around in the air, using the environment to jump or web zip off to attack while also trying to not focus on only one enemy while punching. Using the web swing kick is very effective after launching your opponents into the air too. Basically always trying to keep moving around and keeping in the air which is very possible and not just punching and dodging all the time.
17:04 Funny you mention that. Had the Burton/Schumacher film series not been canceled, the fifth movie would’ve done exactly that. Jack Nicholson would’ve even reprised his role and everything.
Loved arkham knight Tanks are my personal hell tho because i got stuck on a tank level with the fear gas everywhere and quit and have never gotten past there, tho it has been several years Also i wish that there were at least one or two bruce missions ngl
I hope one day rocksteady go back to Batman but before then I really need to see what they can do with Superman. Hopefully after suicide squad that will be there next game.
When I realized I could play as The Joker in Arkham Asylum I was absolutely stunned. I thought at first it would only be a reskin but no. He has his own fighting styles. It was nuts!
WOS has the best overall traversal, I recall even the swinging being better than the Spider-man 3 game which I assume has the same swinging as in spider-man 2.
@@ultamatejoker8282 Ah thanks. So a little more exhilirating but not functionally different. Thanks, never had it as a kid and people always criticize the first and third versions of Spider-man 3, while the 2nd version is the best, so I don't take their criticisms to heart.
The swinging is not fine. Its amazing things from Web of Shadows swinging should definitely be included like running and sliding down the wall and that fast swinging momentum. Such a great game.
If there was a CW Green Arrow based video game or even a Marvel Daredevil based video game, the Arkham combat system would work brilliantly for both those characters!
I couldn't agree more the minute I did a beatdown in Arkham City I was hooked it just felt so badass same goes for web of shadows fighting on the side of buildings you just get hooked it's so good and honestly you can go further back IMHO the best and deepest combat system I've played is Prince of Persia Warrior Within just the variety in that system you never get bored 💯
When Batman is flying around the room, beating a crowd of thugs unconscious one by one while barely even touching the ground, I can feel it in my soul. It’s fucking amazing.
Sure sex is cool I guess but have you ever gotten a 200 hit combo on an Arkham game ?
@@FullFatVideos That's about as unlikely as lasting more than 2 minutes T^T
@@FullFatVideos Those events are mutually exclusive I think
I am immensely happy for any recognition Web of Shadows gets nowadays. Sorely underrated game
I couldn’t believe the negative reviews when I finally played it
@@FullFatVideos the story really was nothing to write home about imo, especially considering what we have now like King In Black which is arguably the best Venom centered storyline, but there really isn’t any other game that gives you the same feeling of Spider-Man at his prime, moving extremely fast on land, air, and walls, but still hitting very hard. Plus it introduced me to Moon Knight, a character who was rarely touched on in other media, and now one of my favorite marvel characters.
@@snuffles5897 yee plus they never explained how or why Venom was even multiplying in the first place
Web of Shadows has a special place in my heart
I voted for the cover they ended up going with too!!
I can still remember playing this game as a kiddie, back in 08….
Game was badass then, and even better now.
My favorite thing to do was throw cars, Tendril-pulling enemies, and finishing enemies off with Black Suit’s fully upgraded aerials.
Web of Shadows is criminally underrated. That game while it is rough around the edges has the best spidey combat and arguably swinging.
I agree it’s underrated
Ok I agreed with u until u brought up the swinging there is no argument Insomniac has the best web swinging especially Miles Morales
@@FunnyVidzzYouLike agreed
@@FunnyVidzzYouLike The amount of speed and momentum you can get in the swinging in web of shadows is still unmatched. The swinging is good in new Spider-Man but doesn't have nearly the amount of speed and freedom that web of shadows has.
@@FunnyVidzzYouLike Insomniac swinging is great but it feels kinda like autopilot by comparison
It's slick and cinematic but it's less rewarding
Wish they'd offer a classic option too
I’m on board with your thesis, but there’s one thing I’ll disagree with, and that’s the comment on pacing in Marvel’s Spider-Man. Not about the MJ or Miles missions, mind you. Those sequences can go die in a fire. Rather, I don’t think the Spider-Man game would have worked nearly as well without the Peter Parker stuff. The Bruce Wayne/Batman dichotomy is such that you don’t really need to focus on Bruce’s life at all to have a good Batman story. Bruce has no real compunction about shredding his personal life or image in the service of justice as long as it serves a greater purpose. His personal life is so insulated by his crazy amount of wealth that he gets away with people thinking that Bruce Wayne is a jerk or just a vapid playboy.
On the other hand, great Spider-Man stories balance the cost of being Spider-Man with the sacrifice it takes on being Peter Parker. The toll on Peter and the conflict of what he wants to do vs. what he needs to do IS the story. Spider-Man can’t be interesting without Peter Parker.
I’m happy to see someone give Arkham Knight the respect it deserves. Marathoning the Arkham series is always a good time for me, that gameplay is smooth as butter!
Idk y but asylum is still so fun.
City bored me like the hits have less weight but arkham knight bought back the impact that I liked from asylum
Arkham knight was made in 2014 yet it has THE best graphics a game could possibly have.
They’re all so fun. I literally started a new Knight save for this video and ended up completing it. I couldn’t resist!
I agree, but you say “respect it deserves” as if they aren’t already some of the most highly praised superhero games of all time
@@seoul08 lmao
I agree about the Spider-Man PS4 combat. It was ok but I felt like something was missing in the combat plus I ended up using the gadgets to fight the enemies most of the time in that game which I shouldn't be the case in a Spider-Man game. The Batman games the combat was so much fun it felt like I was fighting as Batman.
Spiderman doesn't punch enough. He mostly kicks
@@KerioFive
That's a byproduct of the 90s cartoon having a "Spider-Man can't punch people" mandate from some executive
I had a long diatribe typed out going into what makes the various gadgets not work and how having a quickfire option would have helped them at least flow in combat better, but in retrospect, none of the enemies requires specific gadgets to counter them, so even then it wouldn't work cohesively because you'd still be randomly throwing out special moves left and right with no explanation for how Spider-Man is carrying so many gadgets, why he's using them against regular thugs, or why he'd ever want to cycle through different gadgets during a combat encounter (if he doesn't need to).
Batman's gadget wheel makes sense because the gadgets are part of his character; but Spider-Man's only consistent gadget is his webshooters. Everything else he does is either by modifying them with every-day crap, or through tricks he does with his standard webshooters. It just doesn't make any narrative sense for Spider-Man to have the gadgets and it doesn't work in the confines of the gameplay because you have to pause the gameplay to open the gadget wheel to select them... on top of, again, having no narrative justification for Spidey using or having them.
Feel like Batman moment
Funnily enough for me it was the opposite, it wasn't until super late game that I really even bothered using the gadget outside of webbing up the big guys. Lime the guy before me said, it would have been really good to have a quick fire thing, also if there was actual variety to the gadgets.
Hey now, don't sleep on Web of Shadow's web swinging. My personal favorite in the series because of the incredible animations and the depth that is offered if you experiment with it enough. There are tons of hidden mechanics that make swinging feel really personal.
Agreed. I personally love how we can instantly go from Web Swinging to Combat without even letting go of the button, Spidey kicking while mid swinging. That always felt amazing to me.
@@santiviera literally the only game where swinging kicks are a 100% viable option. Still requires some skill, but isn't nearly as impossible to aim and thanks to the fluidity of the air combat, pops every enemy into the air for some aerial combos. So satisfying.
Yea the web swinging is the best and has such a good feeling of momentum and speed to it. The swing kicking is also amazing. You can swing kick into a whole group of enemies and they all go flying. Whereas in Spider-Man ps4 you can only swing kick one enemy at a time and it is very slow.
@@xgrillsenx the speed cap once you get the max level is practically non-existent, too. Puts every other swinging speed to shame. I once swung so fast that the camera couldnt keep up, and then Spidey hit a wall and instantly died. I was so confused and amazed that something like that could happen because I was too good at swinging lol
The web-swinging feels faster in that game compared to the PS4 franchise, and I love the wall zip slide you can pull off.
Spider-Man Web of Shadows is simply not talked about enough, and that's considering I played it on the Wii for HOURS.
Paul Dini had zero involvment in writing *Arkham Knight.*
Here's his response:
"According to Dini:
"The last talk I had with Warner Interactive about future games was while I was doing promotion for Arkham City last September. Naturally as there was such a rush of interest about Arkham City, everyone was asking me about a third game, and frankly, I had been wondering about that myself. When I asked about the possibility of working on a third game I was told that as Rocksteady had just finished wrapping the second one, it would be a while before everyone was ready to sit down and discuss future plans. That said, it was intimated that for future games, Warner and Rocksteady might not be looking as much to freelance writers, the message being, that if I had something else interesting coming my way, I might want to take it."
So essentially Rocksteady moved to a writer who actually worked for them in house rather than a freelancer like Dini."
By u/Batknigh12 from the r/batman subreddit.
Love how much recognition Web of Shadows has been getting lately, still play it after all these years and its just as fun
My vote for the next Superhero that should try to make the most perfect version of them in a game: Aquaman
Make underwater combat different from surface combat. Give us proper twirling trident attacks, calling in aquatic life to maintain combos. If an enemy gets hit by you send them flying. Aquaman is strong! Plus what amazing open worlds could they build for you to explore!?
Honestly do we need more different superhero games I would love individual justice league hero games batman and wonder women are having and had games now. We just need flash, greenlantern, superman, Martian man hunter or cyborg , and aquaman game and we can then finish it up with a justice leauge game.
They should do Daredevil and have a black screen at all times and you have to use headphones to know where enemies are
@@kosmickosm771 😭 lmfao that's to realistic. who's making that game Rockstar?
@@TacoYoMaMa definitely, imagine the visuals they could pull off
@@kosmickosm771 😭 a new way to see black lmfao but nah no need for that I can play any game and just close my eyes and im playing daredevil
Totally agree. I love all of Insomniac games and got platinum on every of them (Spider man, Racket and Clank, Spyro etc), but Arkham is just on another level. Legendary projects
Batman Arkham(Knight specifically); Complex, Grounded, and Focused.
Spider-Man Web of Shadows; Powerful, Fast, and Creative.
Couldn't agree more
Web of shadows is my favourite Spider-Man game because of both combat and story, and nothing could top the Batman Arkham combat
I wished you also talked about the amazing X men origins: Wolverine game
its the best Wolverine game out there and really makes you feel like you are Logan and has an amazing combat system
Dang, you just gonna ignore Arkham Origins like that? Sure it didn't make huge strides but the new look and incredible boss fights with the electro-gloves made me feel so damn badass. The new voice actors actually did a great job, considering they were following up Conroy and Hamill. Plus being able to play as Deathstroke with Arkham combat was just awesome
I would argue the Insomniac's Spider-man (don't forget the hyphen between spider and man) has a combat system that does make you feel like Spider-man if you use it effectively. Just using striking, countering won't get you that feeling. But when you add in the webbed based gadgets and are able to effectively switch between all of those gadgets in mid combat as well as flinging objects at the enemy is fun. Though being able to battle opponents on a wall would really make the game for me. Some of the gadgets throw off the flow of the combat for me though, like the gravity bomb only really has one good use and that's when your getting overwhelmed by enemies and I really enjoy the feeling of being overwhelmed and still coming out triumphant. And throwing objects at your enemy when your on the ground really throws off the flow of the combat. But that's really the only thing I don't like
But even using all the powers there is a rhythm to Arkham that Spidey just can’t replicate. It’s awkward and slow by comparison in my opinion. Thanks for commenting!
I agree although I do wish they made Peter felt more powerful and also hope they make the fighting more fluid and have more variety in the combat
Full Fat Videos often prefers nostalgia over newer adaptations of characters, games etc. Kinda disappointing
I agree lol Spider-Man made feel like Spider-Man. When I played i was not even touching the ground I was all air combos I was basically doing the things he showed in the old Spider-Man game. I had whole enemy encounters were I didn't touch the ground lol and thats were the gravity gadget came in handy but I rarely used gadgets unless to mix it up. I would also use ground & air combat together to mix it up. I had a blast trying to make the sickest way to beat everyone up. The gadget scroll wheel is kinda trash do since it takes you out the fight but I would swap fast so I didn't mind but it was prone to miss clicks. One of the thing I fond enjoyable in Spider-Man is that you can be creative with your combat and how you wana approach enemy's juggling people around while batman is just punching and dodging and countering the counter with in a set way and keeping the combo going. Both are enjoyable but both are different I personally like Spider-Man more but batman beat Saber type of fighting is great aswell. I wonder how this youtube guy played Spider-Man ps4 lol.
Alright I looked up spiderman web of shadows and jesus that games fighting looks cool idk if it feels fun to pull off but yeah spiderman ps4 should get more development in spidrrman 2 to add some more cool fun stuff.
Glad to know I wasn’t the only one who didn’t feel as Good Playing Spider-Man in SMPS4 as I did as Batman in Arkham Knight. Still both amazing Games, Though Batman Arkham Origins is still my Favorite game Ever!
Always nice to see some Origins love
The Arkham series is my favorite iteration of batman. Period.
Finishing a combo by quick fire grappling an enemy and clothesline slamming him to the ground has always been my go to finisher in Arkham city and Knight.
Sir, I'm finally thankful that you counted Web Of Shadows. People always talk about who's the strongest, if it's Tobey, Tom, Andrew, or Yuri's version. But they never heard of this version, like this dude is OP asf
The Incredible Hulk Ultimate Destruction and it's spiritual successors the 2 prototype games did a great job with their gameplay of making the player feel like a good among men something the infamous games never did for me
Ooooh I could totally do a follow up to this on Ultimate Destruction!!!!
Arkham knight is a beautiful looking game. It was ahead of its time
I couldn’t agree more. Arkham has the best combat in gaming and while most of the games that try to emulate its combat are good, they have yet to do it better. Arkham Knight was the pinnacle of the combat with Origins being a close second. Personally, if a person says that the combat is just button-mashing, they are playing it wrong. The game gives the player easy to learn tools and makes it harder to master. After playing the Arkham games for over 10 years now, the combat is instinctual and I can still make mistakes. Spider-Man PS4 was not as fluid as it should have been and I felt that the gadgets were useless. The lack of a counter make it less fluid and quite frankly, it was frustrating at times. Glad to see someone recognises the brilliance of Web of Shadows, my favourite Spider-Man game to date.
I only played Arkham City and Origins. I love the fights, the puzzles, the character designs, the collectables, and the voice acting. They are two of my favorite games and that fight in BvS that was so much like those games was the peak of that movie. Also, the show Reacher on Amazon Prime has solid fights that remind me of the Arkham games. He often fights more than one guy, lots of elbows and knees, trapping and using the environment.
It really makes you feel like a giant bat like creature
What in the name of!?
Excellent video, but a little correction on 3:23 and 5:09, Treyarch didn't develop Web Of Shadows instead the project was given to Shaba Games as Treyarch was busy working on Call Of Duty and various other projects, although they did give Shaba Games there own custom engine which is why you can see some similarities between this game and Spider-Man 3, so while they might be listed as a "developer" they wern't the ones who actually worked on the game as your wording suggests.
Arkham Knight is literally the best game I have ever played. Every gameplay element from previous Arkham games elevated to perfection and then some.
Arkham Knight's combat is an industry class melee based combat system with a lot of permutations and combinations. I challenge anyone to complete the game by spamming a triangle. It's impossible. Do you know why?? Because there are different enemy types. There's an enemy with shields, enemies with electric batons, enemies with electricity running through their body, enemies with knife, medics brutes etc. and all these enemies require a specific move set to defeat them.
Also, contrary to what a lot of people said, Batmobile is just 20-25 percent of the whole game and not 50 percent. People who claim tank combat is 50 percent suck at math. There are videos on UA-cam that confirm this.
The story is literally awesome. Give me a Batman story where Batman is trying to resolve his personal struggle over a court of owls story anyday. Arkham knight was also much darker and grittier than any other game. The ending felt so satisfying. People thought Batman died a heroic death and the way Batman conquered his fears at the end.
And I am so glad that focus wasn't on the Batfamily but Batman. After all, the tagline of the game was "Be the Batman" not "Be the Batfamily".
I know it just came out, but please do a sequel to this on how Insomniac can improve Spider-Man combat
I've been alive for 28 years, been playing games for 23 years, there's 200 games I like, 100 games I would recommend, 20 games that are classics, and 8 that are top of their genres. The Arkham series for me is top of the story driven counter combat genre
Batman's combat is simple (sometimes frustrating) but satisfying. It feels so satisfying when you finally knock out an enemy and hear that *CRUNCH*
I really wish Insomniac or some other developer took more inspiration from past Spider-man games for the combat instead of copying the basic aspects of Arkham's combat but not fully utilizing them. Web of Shadows shows what happens when developers let their creativity run wild.
Spiderman ps4 fans prefer not to acknowledge the arkham series its "overrated" they say it's garbage or Spiderman is the best and don't say otherwise.
@@baki484 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean, I'm more of a Spider-man fan than Batman, but that's just objectively wrong saying the Arkham games are "overrated". Those types of fanboys are really dumb, honestly.
@@doclouis4236 well batman is my favourite hero of all time but I can still acknowledge that the Spiderman games are on their way to surpassing batman arkham with Spiderman 2. Hell I'm more interested in Spiderman 2 and what marvel is doing with games like Wolverine and I'm dying to know what Amy henning is cooking over suicide squad and Gotham knight wonder woman is the only thing peaking my interest in DC games.
I just love superheroes.
@@baki484 Well, cool to hear. Too be honest, Insomniac needs to completely overhaul the combat and make it more challenging in order to be on equal terms with the Arkham games if I'm being real here. Because very inconsistent and easy at times.
@@doclouis4236 I get what you mean it's too forgiving even in the ultimate difficulty stealth doesn't compare to arkham and the gadgets in combat are cheese mechanics that easily fill up through finishers personally those are the issues I have I also refrain from using gadgets like suspension matrix and concussive blast. I've been to comment sections and people really love marvels Spiderman and miles morales to bits you're first I who doesn't share that mentality as a discussion with them devolves into Spiderman innovated, it's the highest selling superhero game, arkham didn't win any awards combat in arkham is simple button mashing or batman sucks.
You really have my exact opinion on the games. I did enjoy my time with Spider-Man but with Arkham City being my favorite game of all time I always found the core gameplay of Spider-Man hard to swallow. But the unfortunate part is that since Spider-Man came out it seems at least to me like the general public left the Arkham games in the past, praising Spider-Man as the best superhero game yet. I do like the game (especially its story, which I do think is genuinely better than what Arkham offered) but for me it just can't measure up. Thanks for the great video and here's hoping Suicide Squad and Gotham Knights can hold up Arkham's legacy.
That intro with the BvS and AK clips sums up exactly how it feels to play the games combat.
Thank you! When I started this video that was the first thing I cut because I had to see what it looked like
Ah yes, Batman being the very combatant who can fight super beings without the need of being superhuman. Spider-Man is a formidable fighter as well. He's not strong as Superman, but that doesn't mean he should be underestimated. Both Spider-Man and Batman are great crime fighters for many good reasons.
A level headed fan of both you are rare as hell.
I grew up with the Arkham games, they’re amazing and I really hope you do a full video on them in general
Any excuse for Arkham to be honest!!!
I second that idea.
I do agree that the Insomniac Spider-Man combat feels too grounded and repetitive which takes away that Spider-Man feeling in combat because Spider-Man does zip around and fights very agile rather than hopping around a little and being grounded or just being in one spot most of the time. After a while, Peter Parker’s combat moves got repetitive and I find myself actively pressing the triangle button and holding the square button just to get a punch mixed into the combo to shake it up a little because otherwise, Peter’s combo after the first initial punch is just kicking over and over.
Glad people are noticing the greatness of Venom May Cry. The only SM game where fighting in the air and on the wall is as great as on ground
Loved your comment. Great reference to DMC GOAT combat!
Always thought the Arkham series made you really feel like Batman.
FINALLY SOME GOOD PRAISE FOR THE ARKHAM SERIES, THOSE GAMES I USED TO LIVE FOR AS A KID, AMAZING COMBAT AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS AMAZING
This is why Affleck is my favourite batman. His fights are just perfect 😩👌🏿
It sucks that we might never see him again in the role after The Flash :/
Arkham Knight is still the gold standard for super hero combat mechanics. Arkham City has enough nuance and balance to make it complicated, but Knight truly took it to the next level. Spider-Man PS4 and Mile Morales are lacking, the stealth and gadgets are an afterthought, they don't mesh well into the environment, they're just your choice of a projectile. In Batman, there's always experimentation in the predator sections, along with each gadget having a quirk in free flow depending on your combo meter.
Arkham Asylum is still playable, but without beatdown and variation, it's too simplistic.
Playing Web of Shadows as a kid really put my bar of action beat-em-ups so high I couldn't enjoy much anything else.
Me seeing full fat videos praise the web of shadows combat in an unexpected review video: A surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Web of shadows 2: we will watch your career with great interest 😢
@@FullFatVideos Which will never happen 🥺
honestly, i know its the generic "button mash" easy to look badass combat, but i just adore the arkham combat. its the perfect system to be easy but still challenging enough to push you to get better. i wish more games had this style of combat
Web of Shadows combat, though the game is a bit unfinished, is second to none in my opinion. Slamming 15 dudes into the pavement with your thick black goo makes me tingle inside.
What.The.Fuck
Love the timing of this. I just replayed Arkham asylum+city. I’ve never played knight but I think it’s time once I play through origins again.
After watching The Batman and Batbert Battinson’s fight scenes, it makes me sort of upset that we couldn’t smack around criminals with their own guns like in the movie. Imagine instead of only being able to destroy the gun, you could use it like the bats. The sound of the gun breaking someone’s jaw or just hitting them in general would be so brutal and feel so much like BATMAN
Funnily enough, the Arkham combat system fits agile and reactive Spider-Man better than methodic Batman (who's approach really is more strategic: analyse->plan-> execute). I guess that's partially down to its core weakness being it's ability to make one on one fights interresting. That clashes a bit with a rather fitting defeat in detail approach.
Web of shadows web strike was unparalleled. Air combat in Spider-Man PS4 felt clunky and slow. Fighting the Sable agents with jet packs was annoying af because of it.
Spider-Man web of shadows in my opinion still has the most exciting swinging gameplay there are so many things to learn how to do in that game so much variety and yes I'd say that about the combat as well the momentum felt I'm that game is unlike any other Spider-Man game even the new ones from insomniac aren't that free in their gameplay
I'm so glad you're taking a look at Spider-Man: Web of Shadows in regards to combat. For years it has held the title for best Spidey combat ever, it's so fluid and fast and it's the perfect thing for the character. I strongly disliked Spider-Man PS4's combat simply for one reason: It's Batman combat, not Spider-Man combat. All the gadgets, slow-feeling movements, punches, takedowns, etc. That's all from the Arkham games and does NOT belong in a Spider-Man game.
Web of Shadows is an underrated game. Loved switching from ground combat to wall combat to air combat seamlessly. So much fun.
I will defend the Insomniac Spider-Man combat though. There is a rhythm to the combat, but the problem is that it’s more optional. You can go through the game easily without taking full advantage of it, but it leaves quite a bit to be desired. Being more experimental and diversifying your moves leads to more exciting gameplay. I can easily fight through enemies from the ground then switch to enemies in the air, dodging and weaving and web striking the whole way. And for me I can easily switch through gadgets in a split second that helps add variety and style to the combat. Launching an enemy into the air, shooting them with electric webs, bringing them back down onto a group of their friends, electrifying them all, then shooting a web bomb and blasting a concussive blast is so much fun. I also love shooting an enemy into the air, webbing them up then kicking them to a wall to stick them there then web striking an enemy on the ground for more combos. There is a lot of fun to be had in the combat. I really loved mixing and matching gadgets and suit powers (using Equalizer + gadgets is a sick combo). And Miles Morales added some cool new elements with the Venom abilities. I definitely feel like Spider-Man when I’m playing those games.
But yeah Web of Shadows is a fire game as well. And Arkham combat slaps.
I'd rather have insomniac tone it down with the gadgets especially the concussive blast and suspension matrix rather go for something like acid or cryo webbing if not just use web variations like shooting a web double web like batman could alternate in arkham knight between triple and single batarangs and the gadgets shouldn't refill after a finisher. The sequel well hoping for seamless switching between miles and Peter if they will be incorporating the dual combat from arkham and seamless switching between the symbiote suit/those spider arms.
While I definitely mostly agree with your statements on the Arkham games, I do think the insomniac Spider-Man games have kind of picked up where those games left off. The combat feels distinctly Spider-Man, to me at least, and most definitely the movement mechanics. I also do see how you could have the opinion do on the combat in insomniac’s games. I definitely started off the game thinking combat was basically Batman ripoff, but as I got better and gained more upgrades/gadgets something finally clicked. I found myself stringing together combos with so much variety and fluidity, using everything I had at my disposal, and you honestly can’t tell me you don’t feel badass when you get that perfect dodge on multiple gun enemies and take them all out with the instant ko follow up right after. I think, while Arkham definitely has better combat initially (and that it has pretty good variety), after trying all your options in Spider-Man it far exceeds and builds upon what rocksteady started.
I also haven’t played web of shadows to clarify. Seeing the gameplay does make me hope that with the inclusion of venom in the next insomniac game we’ll get more opportunities for combat on the sides of buildings. I loved the last fight with Octavious and seeing the combat from web of shadows made me want to see an updated version of that mode.
I agree they have picked up where arkham left off but further polish it they are close a few tweaks here and there like the webstrike and seamlessly shooting webs while moving instead of stopping to a grinding halt like in web of shadows. I'm hoping they also incorporate dual combat and stealth like arkham knight did. Those transitions were seamless but insomniac already employed the stealth variant in the heist dlc minus the switching between characters. Arkhams incorporation gadgets in combat is unrivaled with its quick fire feature. But honestly insomniac is headed in the right direction. Glad there's no co-op as well.
Edit: Nevermind spiderman 2's combat is worse than the first aside from the swinging. And stealth is even more braindead.
I just beat Arkham City on the 5th of February this year.
Love this series. Got Origin and Knight to play still.
Origins and Knight are my Favorite in the Series, Origins is my Favorite game of all time though.
There is no game more awesome than playing Arkham City whilst wearing the 1970s adam west batman outfit.
As an Origins lover, it stings a little every time he says there's only 3 games. Great video though!
Your thoughts on the Arkham games focusing on The Joker and setting each of them in one night are actually the main reasons why I think Spider-Man PS4 has a MUCH better story than the Arkham games. Putting aside how much it personally stretches my suspension of disbelief that Batman is able to pull off all the shit in these games in one night (discounting Asylum, that one felt reasonable enough), it forces the story to push forward at an awkward pace, never giving you the chance to get a feel for what's going on before things change. Arkham City would've been a cool place to explore, but the story never really does that, just taking you across the map.
And I'd rather not get into a rant about how these games constantly giving Joker the spotlight are the specific reason why I can't stand the character at the moment, so I'll leave it with my biggest gripe with the Joker's overuse in these games: Scarecrow and the Arkham Knight, the villains that Batman: Arkham Knight spent its playtime building up, end up being footnotes to Batman dealing with the Joker again, despite him being dead.
Agreed. The Joker shouldn't have been in City, Origins or Knight. He had his time in Asylum.
@@triforcehero9353 I'm not opposed to him being in City or Origins, but he shouldn't have jacked the plot from the other characters. Protocol 10 feels like an afterthought in City, same with Black Mask's Assassins in Origins. Both are put on the back burner to give Joker more screentime. Compare this to Spider-Man PS4, which establishes and fleshes out two main villains, while setting up two more for the sequel.
@@Robbinson98 For me the series peaked with Asylum. No other Batman media used the same main villain 4 times. It's boring.
They should've had the sequels be like the Spider Man games. Set in an open world Gotham city, where the Batmobile/Batwing is optional and you can interact with civilians and see how the crime impacts them.
When Asylum came out, it wasn't the Arkham series. It was just loosely based on the graphic novel. Turning it into the Arkham series gave us limited open worlds, instead of the full city.
I couldnt disagree more with your take on Spider-Man PS4. It has a higher barrier to "badassery" and it doesn't have as high a maximum skill ceiling as Arkham, but it is pretty good in its own right.
Honestly the Spider-Man PS4 combat feels a lot faster to me than Arkham. The 7 extra gadgets imo add more depth as well.
@@izer0z I honestly think its round the same speed especially Arkham Knight, I prefer Arkhams combat since all of your gadgets have quick buttons unlike Spiderman
@@Zeff0 I like that in Spider-Man, mashing on button can't win you fights. I haven't played enough Arkham to know the skill ceiling of it, but I feel like the skill *floor* for SMPS4 is higher.
It doesn't have the same freeflow rhythm as Arkham, but I think it's a great alternative in those games, plus the gadgets are a little simpler to use.
@@izer0z definitely not Spider-Man is was pretty easy to be honest compared to Batman I’m replaying the Arkham games right now and damn I forgot how good the combat was compared to Spider-Man. Still an amazing game but combat wise Batman wins easily
Couldn’t disagree more about the Spiderman PS4 combat
The Vulture fight in Web of Shadows felt so epic since your just in the air the entire fight sometimes in that game too
Idk I feel like the Spider-Man fights in Web of Shadows really made me feel flexible
I feel like insomniac didn’t have peter punching dudes through concrete because they would prolly die. He’s prolly holding back but that not a good excuse
it’s so nice to see arkham knight getting praise. Arkham city used to be my fav in the series, then I got arkham knight premium edition a couple weeks ago for $8 and have been so addicted. it def surpasses city for me and this was a game I’d totally forgotten had come out cause I only got a ps4 last year and it’s just great. the combat’s so addicting, the game in general is awesome
I'm by no means a big Superhero fan, but holy hell are the Arkham games so fucking FUN. The combat flows so well & feels so weighty and visceral. That shit makes you feel like you're goddamn BATMAN.
It’s so good
The Dark Knight and Burton suits are my go-to every time ❤️🤟
i have completed it with each 😂😂
it was like dark knight 4 / batman 3
Agreed
I love that you highlighted Web of Shadows, that game feels so underappreciated thanks to its unfair reviews. That said, I do think Insomniacs' combat is good; it's easily the best Arkham clone we've had when compared to previous superhero games that also ripped of Arkham, but the Aerial Combat is lacking, whereas I think the ground combat is great and less button-mashy than Web of Shadows. I really hope we get wall combat and the Web Strike mechanic in Insomniacs' next installment, since that would be a perfect Spider-Man combat system, at least for me. Also, stop forgetting Origins, it's better than Asylum IMO lol
Also the web strike animations and transitions to the next move in web of shadows are seamless lending themselves to dynamism along with shooting webs while traversing not stopping you to a grinding halt hopefully insomniac can adress all this. And the aerial combat in web of shadows vulture bossfight need I say more?
I never played Web of Shadows but I everytime I watched a video on it I just loved the way the Web Strike looked. And I love that it's using the Todd McFarlane Spaghetti Webs.
Just need to say that Captain America gameplay in Avengers has so much potential. They should make him a solo game 100%
they did
@@Frogman1212 Yeah but how does one play that game without an old console
@@TheTurbanator123 manifest through sheer will.
Proper captain america game set in the modern world with flashbacks to world War 2 seamless transition between h2h and shield combat and the 2 can be mixed while the shield is bouncing around and staggering enemies in the background you can attack the other 3 with or without the shield he should be a threat.
Yes let's goooo Web of Shadows love and I'm here for it!!!
Arkham has 4 games. You completely left out Origins eventho it arguably has the best storytelling of them all!
Exactly it's the first Arkham game Batman has an arc
He said take your pick they are all great.
I'm sure someone has already said it but Battison's outfit is available for Arkham Knight now!
My dream is for insomniac to take heavy inspiration from web of shadows for their sequal. But considering Miles Morales, I think they'll stick to their guns. Which is a shame.
I mean the games are solid. But the swinging and combat is too streamlined for me. I don't think web of shadows is perfect at all. But It does some things that can't compare to any other game
Completely agree. The combat in the next game needs to be a more substantial overhaul than what we got in Miles
@@FullFatVideos highly unlikely. They would have to make it from precanned animation based, to pure hit box based. And that's just not gonna happen, like the climb button.
Man I miss the climb button in spidey games
@@teneesh3376 I mean we should see what they do. Looks like Spider-Man has Iron Spider arms, and considering Peter might get the symbiote, it could make for interesting gameplay.
i totally disagree with the ending, spiderman ps4 is a really great game. ive played alot of both and im not saying i dont preferer arkham, but spiderman has a great story, characters and mobility that all make for a almost perfect spiderman experience. i just wish you would have given it more credit.
18:58mans is so clean with editing
Thank you 🙏
I absolutely hate how people pretend that Spider-Man ps4 is the be all end all of superhero games, it’s a fun game and the traversal is amazing but that’s about it, the story is ok (if you disagree, tell me what stand apart moment you remember apart from aunt may dying ), the combat doesn’t flow well and the gadgets kinda break the flow even more
The way you described the PS4 story is kind of how I feel about Arkham Citys' plot; other than Jokers' death, I don't think it's very memorable when compared to its sequel etc.
They really are the best that superhero games have to offer. Even with Spider-Man (PS4) rivalling them, they still have an argument to be on top
I remember I used to play web of shadows at my cousins house on his wii all the time then when he got an Xbox he gave me all his Wii games and I spent an entire year playing that game every hit felt powerful and you were always on the move
Says there’s three Arkham games.
Arkham Origins: “I’ll be in my bedroom making no noise and pretending I don’t exist.”
Personally I love the combat in the insomniac Spider-Man games, still I do absolutely love web of shadows, it feels like a classic beat um up.
Web of shadows was really fun, i just didn’t like how they added the sparks when he hits someone. Makes him look like he’s shooting hadoukens and kamehehas out of his hands and feet
For me the best combat is arkham Knight hand to hand combat. I know a lot of people didn’t like the tank and the story, but the hand to hand combat was the best out of the entire series in my opinion
The combat in ps4 spider man doesn't feel as good as the arkham games but honestly as of late i've been able to get the combat to look pretty good by just web striking, jumping off opponents, yanking and tossing them around in the air, using the environment to jump or web zip off to attack while also trying to not focus on only one enemy while punching. Using the web swing kick is very effective after launching your opponents into the air too. Basically always trying to keep moving around and keeping in the air which is very possible and not just punching and dodging all the time.
17:04 Funny you mention that. Had the Burton/Schumacher film series not been canceled, the fifth movie would’ve done exactly that. Jack Nicholson would’ve even reprised his role and everything.
Loved arkham knight
Tanks are my personal hell tho because i got stuck on a tank level with the fear gas everywhere and quit and have never gotten past there, tho it has been several years
Also i wish that there were at least one or two bruce missions ngl
I hope one day rocksteady go back to Batman but before then I really need to see what they can do with Superman. Hopefully after suicide squad that will be there next game.
THANK YOU Insomniac Spider-Man games do not ever reach the highest highs of even Arkham city 🌃
It made me really think this is how Batman would fight idk the comics and movies made his fighting skills seem casual sometimes
When I realized I could play as The Joker in Arkham Asylum I was absolutely stunned. I thought at first it would only be a reskin but no. He has his own fighting styles. It was nuts!
Yeah it was so good! Good times in Batman gaming
Full Fat, agreed 100%. My god please let them make a Web Of Shadows sequel! With Agent Anti-Venom and Red Goblin in it!!
Its 2022 and i still play Arkham Knight!!!!!!!!
WOS has the best overall traversal, I recall even the swinging being better than the Spider-man 3 game which I assume has the same swinging as in spider-man 2.
In terms of Spiderman 3s swing vs Spiderman 2. Spiderman 2s swinging is just about twice as fast and has longer and higher charge jumps.
@@ultamatejoker8282 Ah thanks. So a little more exhilirating but not functionally different. Thanks, never had it as a kid and people always criticize the first and third versions of Spider-man 3, while the 2nd version is the best, so I don't take their criticisms to heart.
I can respect your opinion on Insomniacs Spider-Man games... but boy oh boy would I have to disagree.
I'd love to see you do a video on how insomniac can improve the spider-man combat
The swinging is not fine.
Its amazing things from Web of Shadows swinging should definitely be included like running and sliding down the wall and that fast swinging momentum.
Such a great game.
Arkham games are the standard. Nothing else comes close.
If there was a CW Green Arrow based video game or even a Marvel Daredevil based video game, the Arkham combat system would work brilliantly for both those characters!
I couldn't agree more the minute I did a beatdown in Arkham City I was hooked it just felt so badass same goes for web of shadows fighting on the side of buildings you just get hooked it's so good and honestly you can go further back IMHO the best and deepest combat system I've played is Prince of Persia Warrior Within just the variety in that system you never get bored 💯
Big agree with all those games you mentioned !!!
Warrior Within man. I got a copy again for my PS2 last year and it’s still great!
@@FullFatVideos it's a classic I wish more developers looked to that for reference 💯
BTW you got a shout out in the most recent episode of Film Theory
Oooh what link me?
@@FullFatVideos ua-cam.com/video/eTCzy5m6y5U/v-deo.html
“I like to think of it as a running GAG!”
Now you've just given me a bunch of new games to play