Warrior Cats Pregnancy RANT
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2018
- It's always made me a little upset that Warrior Cats glorifies pregnancy as much as it does. Here are my thoughts.
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I don’t see why Violetshine was SURPRISED when she found out she was pregnant, like “omg what? I thought we used a cat condom wtf”
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Bluefur was too. She mated with Oakheart despite knowing how kits are born and the fact that she couldn't stay with him, and then gets surprised when she gets pregnant.
I mean... mating is literally never brought up in the first place, but I guess that’s understandable since “kids book” but yeah.. it’s like... they hang around for a bit and suddenly there’s pregnancy, I understand them not bringing up the actual mating but surely the cats would be aware that it would probably happen
Lol
It also makes most of the “who’s the father?” questions super weird tbh
'Responsible, experienced adults.' *shows Dovewing*
yeah xD
Wow! Thanks for the heart, Bright Guardian Akira! :D
That's what I said !🐈
HAHAHA
*wait*
Dovewing is far from responsible.
Female cat: I’m pregnant
Male cat: LE GASP! WHAT?! IT’S NOT LIKE WE BRED ONE DAY AGO GASP!
Brave Spirit1738 it’s still exiting tho like your not gonna get pregnant every time
'LE GASP'. I love that 💘
Cats getting their throats slashed, hit by cars or ripped apart by dogs - No issue.
Cats giving birth - Eww, gross! So inappropriate! I'm traumatized!
Siobhan Noble
Senseless whining is what it is. Lol
Actually, I hate that stuff too.
And yet this is what you choose to rant about.
@@siobhannoble8545 yeah
This is a problem why
@@siobhannoble8545 are people not allowed to have problems with multiple things
“Pregnancy rant”
*casually thinks of leafpool holding a positive pregnancy test*
Pineapplix Mrs, your pregantete
Same XD 😂😂😂😂
Pineapplix I im not the only one!
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I am not the only one
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In my state they are NOT children’s books
They are found in the Teen section
So oof
Same
I never got why they were kids books. Tigerstar I graphically got his stomach sliced open and had his guts spilling out. Not to mention murder, blackmail, forbidden love, insanity, etc.
i honestly don't believe these are kids books, cause i don't remember reading kids books when i was younger of someone or something getting their throat ripped out, etc.
They're "Young Adult" in my library.
Tom 。 Here in Cove they’re a mixture of young adult, and kids book
Bluestar: Casually mates with Oakheart, being a cat and knowing what will happen.
Also Bluestar: oMg iM pReGnAnT??
Lol
She’s pregananant
Teacher: what’s wrong
Me: sliverstearm is giving birth
Teacher: maybe you should give me that book
Me:NEVER
Miss black cat Yay omg 😂😂
She was 21 moons old
'-'
wow
Ye like in the Survivors series which is also by Erin there was a book that was just like dogs ripping ears off and ripping out jaws and throats-
Omg right. I bet when I did a book report on the painful moth flight my teacher was like; ummmmm BIRTH?!?!?!?!?!(
@Lime Imposter's UA-cam Channel ok
Can un get... *P r e g a n t e*
but r yu gregnant?
Is it possible to get pregonate?
Am i gregnant? H e l p .
if a gurl has starch masks on her body. dus that mien, she has ben pregernate b4?
Can un get... *P r e g o*
They should really write a female character who doesn’t want a mate or kit and dies withoutht a mate or kit, or they should at least write a character who has a mate but withought kits, I really can’t imagine ivypool with kits , I can imagine her with a mate, but I just can’t imagine her with kits
**Throws MouseFur in here**
GOSH DARNIT ERINS, YOU DID HER RIGHT SO WHY CANT YOU DO IT AGAIN
Mousefur
Ruby
I agree with you. It would be nice to slightly hint at an Asesexual character, because that would be really relateable because i am asesexual!
Hazeltail and Mousefur are the two that I can think of.
Lizard stripe hated kits but that’s different I guess XD
* Love to warriors *
1 "oh, you would be such a wonderful MOTHER"
2 "hi, I like you. LETS HAVE BABIES"
3 "hey, my son kinda likes you. hes so immature! MARRY ME"
4 "Mate"
5 "You saved me. I like you now."
LMFAOOOOO IM DYING
The births are actually pretty inaccurate. There can be up to forty minutes between kits, or sometimes even more (that's a problem, though) and it can take 6-12 hours of the cat prepping before she actually goes into labor. She might even stop eating. In the books, the queens are like, "Oh! My kits! They're coming right now!" Cats in real life know for quite a while beforehand when they're gonna give birth.
Right?! The whole "Oh! My kits are coming right now omg what a surprise!" thing is definitely more human.
Warrior cats throws all logic out the window
@@polargalaxyyt7758 thats kinda true...
Yeah but imagine how boring that would be “ jayfeather stood beside the queen “how are you feeling ?” He says “perhaps another 40 minutes will do it “ says alderheart then they just sit there in silence 40 minutes in between each kit, no one would want to read that, not everything has to be accurate they are literally feral cats living clans with a warrior code and some of them have special powers do you really expect it to be accurate ?
@@Stalefruitloops that is very true!
It's a good thing Spottedleaf didn't get pregnant with Thistleclaw
Oh god no. And I'm not sure if he was able to impregnate her since he's dead...
@@kay812 *cough* Spottedleafs Heart
@@startheangel9760 oh yeah I forgot he was still alive in that book
@Wowie Zowie no I have not read it and I do not plan to in any way. And Thistleclaw died in Bluestar's Prophecy.
That is a nightmare!!
Unfixed cats get pregnant. I’d love to see a book where the whole Clan gets TnR’d (Trapped and Released) and now they’re all fixed and unable to reproduce. 😂😂 That’d be awesome.
I bet a moon of dawn patrols that ShadowClan will be the victim. ShadowClan has always been the black hole of trouble.
Lol. Someone should write an AU with that
PINKYYYYY
A wild pink! And y e a h.
No more kits flying everywhere
She-cat with a mate : * exists *
Erins : * Waves prenagnt wand * it's show time.
LMFAOAOOOO
"Bippity boppity boo, four kits for you." - The Erins
“hocus pocus, children are now your new focus!”
- The Erins
😂
I know this was said before but what the author meant by “Bigger” is that Twigbranch had grown older and looked more mature, not pregnant. If a cat is pregnant they’ll either say it outright or that she smells different
Okay, okay, here's s wild idea: They introduce a tortoiseshell tom. He loves his mate more than anything else in the entire world and wouldn't leave her for anything. All cats expect them to have kits soon, and when they don't after 12 moons, the Medicine Cat tells him that he may be infertile. The she-cat's parents are miserable since she was their only kit and their only chance to continue their family, so they prompt her to find a new mate, but the she cat reveals that she actually didn't want kits. In the end, the couple stays together and they prove to everyone that you don't need children to be happy while sneaking some real world problems and realism in there since Warriors loves to do that.
Probably never going to happen, but I think it would be cool, especially if pregnancies became less common among important cats after that.
I have an OC like that, but they both really wanted kits- but still really loved eachother, so both the tom and his mate became permanent queens (Like Sorreltail and Ferncloud) and helped to raise other kits.
@@shadeddreamer6864 That's great too! Too bad the Erins will probably never do it.
WRITE A BOOK
Tortoise shells cannot be males but it's an amazing idea!!
@@juniperthepotato7848
Actually, they can. It's just very rare and they're almost always infertile.
I personally don't see an issue with Violetshine being pregnant. It's something she wanted and she's been a warrior for a while now. If you're comparing cats and humans, It's no different than a twenty-something year old getting pregnant, which many do now days. And it is not stated that Twigbranch is pregnant. When they say "she looks bigger" her compares her to Squirrelflight, meaning she'd gotten taller and stronger.
And considering these books rely on cats being born so more conflict can arise by cats dying without dwindling down to only a few characters being left. That and the clans kind of need to reproduce to survive. And i'm really getting tired of people comparing the cats to humans. Yes they have human personalities, but their ageing system and laws are completely different from ours. The only thing that makes them "human like" is the personalities.
Clear Sky was nasty dude and his whole thing with Star Flower freaked me out, i'll give ya that one.
With Moth Flight, yeah even I was confused on how old she was supposed to be, but I still enjoyed the book. I really felt for her when she lost Micah and was so happy when it was confirmed she was pregnant, seeing how happy she was at the news. I also thought it was interesting to see how she struggled to balance her duties and, even if i don't approve of the rule, i found it interesting to see how the medcat rule of not having a mate came to be. She did not "casually" decide to get rid of her kids. She was so upset by the decision but felt she had to otherwise her kits wouldn't get the love they deserve because she felt she was an unfit mother and her kits had nearly died several times trying to follow her and get her attention. She was very upset by it, i don't get where you're getting the idea she didn't care.
And maybe it's just because i'm not squeamish but... i really didn't find the birth scenes that graphic.
These books certainly have issues, especially pertaining to pregnancy, but i feel like your points are a bit flimsy.
Cate Siebert totally and entirely agreed
Yeah I agree
I entriely agree with this VERY LONG essay on how wrong this guy is (Dont judge meh typeing skills.) I agree, I have read a lot of these books and being their wild cats as well and the ageing system is very diffrent from human life I agree, plus they do have a lot of battles in warriors, And I think that moth flight was about a year or so, and if you really wanna compare it to humans a Year old cat is perfectly eleigible to have kits, I haven’t read about twigbranch or anything yet, but I’m sure that It’s completely fine. Thanks for reading. Again this video is very wrong, cat ageing in life is comepletely unlike humans.
THANK YOU
Omg thank you so much. His argument is really weak and I don't think there was really any point to the video. The videos are sometimes really rude too. Idk just my opinion
This is what confuses me. Leafpool had her children, and when Crowfeather found out that they were his kits, he was bewildered. Seems like most toms in this series forget they even mated with the shecats. Ohh nah, they mate each other just for fun. Another thing is, is that Brambleclaw was delighted to hear Squirrelflight gave birth to three of his kits. When he found out they weren’t his, he was also shocked. But man, Brambleclaw, you gotta mate with a shecat to get kittens. He obviously never mated with Squirrelflight so why isn’t he thinking, where in the name of StarClan did these kits come from?! *Ah, Warriors logic.*
uhhh Crowfeather was in deep denial over Leafpool having his kits and BrambleSquirrel definitely were mating
As someone who's study vet med, the birth scenes could've been much worse. I think the constant flow of kits is needed. It also helps to show how the clan is doing "economically" when a clan has no kits and the cats comment on it, its always in a negative light. When it's full of kits the clan is seen as healthy and in a good space. Usually.
You know what really bothers me about pregnancy in warriors books?
So many unwanted pregnancies, like most of plots revolwes around cats born as a mistake or something. Why can't we have it the other way around ? Like, cats wanting to have kits REALLY REALLY BADLY but beeing unable to become parents? And their struggle with that, maybe even thinkng about changing mates, because of their dream, but then realising that they love each other to much for that and adopting some kits or just helping rise other cats babies? (Like Dako's CopperCloud?) I mean it makes it look like having kids is like a curse in this universe and something everyone should avoid unless you're a background character. I get it, yes it is a big thing and might be a problem when you are irresposoble, or not ready but come one, EVERY SINGLE SERIES IN WARIORS HAS AT LEAST ONE UNWANTED PREGNANCY and its conceqences.
And I don't think this birth scenes are graphic, I mean death scenes are far worse in theese books, and many kids have pets that give birth in real life. It's just life. I was really happy when as a kid I've seen a real horse birth in The Saddle Club episode, I was excited not grossed out and it was shown in the tv series itself not just described (understandable as the entire series rewolved around horse riding and breeding you know, for horse lovers) but maybe I am just weird.
Also why do Humans *NEVER FIX THEIR FLUBBING CATS*
Poke what about squirrelflight? She couldn’t have kits and really wanted kits so she took in leafpools kits.
@@thesecretmetalfan6741 Yeah... offscreen novlas don't count) And then she got her own kits anyway, and we never seen her struggle with the fact that she couldn't be a mother, and it was not THE issue of this story but the EVIL AND BAD PREGNANCY OF LEAFPOOL THAT WAS AN UNWANTED MISTAKE THAT THEY JUST TRIED DO FIX AND HURT EVERYONE IN THE PROCESS!
I rest my case.
Oh my you tiped for a while
Would you mind if I used this plot? It’s amazing!
2:47 "... by mature adults." did you just call Dovewing mature?
She's just an adult
Nah, Dovewing's to childish
@@lizzie_playz3480 Not as far as The Raging Storm and even River of Fire.
Pffft that's funny. Dovewing. Mature.
*reads Tigerheart's Shadow* ...
I know right? I almost noped myself out at that point
Graphic birth scenes? I never found them to be very graphic. The death scenes though...
the worst I remembered them being was something like “the kit slithered out and plopped onto the mossy bedding” which is kind of disgusting in itself, but not as bad as other parts of the series
in ‘eclipse’ millie’s birth scene 😨😨 the way they talk about the ‘slimy membrane’
GIMMIE THE PAGE PLSSSSSS
Yeah, no, I don't agree on that one. You can't use the apparent maturity of cats to judge on how old they are. You can be very old but very immature and vise versa. Maturity doesn't mean a thing. It's more likely the Erin consider the cats as adults when they become warriors. And it's not like they've been made pregnant the day they become warriors.
well, I mean Ferncloud kind of did but I guess not exactly. Just wanted to put that out there.
@@deborahboyd8668 snowfur a little bit too
All I want is one she-cat. Just one. Who isn't a medicine cat, and doesn't have kits or a mate. One main series she-cat. Please. Harper Collins please. Our only beacon of hope is Heatherstar from Tallstar's Revenge. We did have Ivypool, but then she had kits with Lionblaze's son. Which is just.... Weird. She was the one cat who was both a warrior, and uninterested in kits or a mate. Then she had babies with a close relative. Not even a distant relative. A close one. There was a whole arc about how she is related to Firestar, and so is her sister, and Lionblaze and Jayfeather. Why. Why was this needed? I mean we had Hazeltail and Mousefur and we have Cherryfall. But they are all background characters, so background character-y that Hazeltail got the dreaded death by greencough between books. And all Cherryfall ever did was apprentice Sparkpelt, which makes me think that maybe she might be of more importance later, but still. Why. Why. Why.
We had Hollyleaf.
ShadedDreamer
These are cats who are not allowed to mate with anyone outside their clans. There is GOING TO BE INBREEDING!!! But they don’t acknowledge it because it’s a kids book and it doesn’t really matter. They can’t just let the cats die out! So just get over it
Did you mean Leopardstar?
Dappletail as well.
Shadowstar, to our knowledge, also doesn’t have a mate and kits.
Mousefur didnt. And I totally agree
Wow i never thought there’d be a pregnancy rant
Akatsuki AJ same
Same
i mean there is no one else who woudl talk about the topic about it im sure it bothers for people but the rest likes seeing more kits for no reason
Same-
nah this shouldve been made a long time ago
To be honest... I don't know where the whole "marketed towards children" thing comes from. I've been to many book stores in many states here in the U.S and they've always been in the teen/young adult section.
I've always found them in the kids section, but that's probably because the bookstores where I live literally only have "adult" and "kids" and no in between so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At Barnes and Noble it’s in the children’s section but in the Teens area of the children’s section. At least, in the one near me.
I've owned and read the Russian adaptations. There was always a note above the synopsis in the very beginning: "for young and middle school age". Some books said they were for "high school aged kids". They were always sold in kids' section, not in young adult one, still are to this day. I started reading the series as a 6 y.o.
Here in Canada there in the 9-12 age group with the wings of fire books.
@@Feezee223 Warrior Books in Idaho are marketed for 8-12 year olds for some reason.
A cat with its warrior name is typically considered an adult by canon standards. Heck, a lot of apprentices are technically well into adulthood before they become warriors in the books.
Yeah, just young adults
Apprentices become warriors at 12 moons old. In the real world, that's like 15 years old in cat years, but I don't think Erin Hunter knows that, so maybe new warriors are meant to be like 18 in cat years?
Here is a mini rant from me.
NOT ALL RELATIONSHIPS HAVE TO HAVE CHILDREN (or in this case kits) why can't we just have a relationship without kits in it for once?
Agreed, there's so many kits with sooo many relationships- like what the heck!?
Almost all relationships have kits for some reason.
@DoDa SpaceyThing i know that im not retarded, but what IF theres a relationship that didn't mate?
@DoDa SpaceyThing it is if a she-cat can't ever have kits tho.
they're wild cats, and wild animals mate often, if you ask me, in the books they don't really mate as much as real cats would
2:49
I am humored by the fact that you think of Dovewing as a 'mature and stable adult'.
I mean, she's doing a pretty good job at raising her kits, particularly with how she handles Shadowkit's seizures. She's very calm and loving with him. So i think she makes a fine example. She's actually matured quite a bit over the course of the series.
haha mary sue is certainly not
The thing is, no queen is a mature and stable adult in these books anymore
When did this book come out? It can't be too old, and people are already including them in their criticism. A book's not canon until it's been around for about five months. You know that right?
(Please don't kill me for my sarcastic joke.)
Ilove Cheez Lmao! That part just came up as I read this
The birth scenes tie up with the whole graphic feel of these books among fight and kills. Yes it is uncomfortable to read bc that's the point, giving birth sucks. And yes they are in a fantasy book thinking in possible human ways cats wouldnt be able to but they also carry on the physical acts of cats most of the time. Kittens not to be trained before 6 moons is for their strenght devolepment and body size. I cant see reasons why natural cat maturity wouldnt be counted in with in the books
“Are they teenagers or are they adults? We don’t know, they just make ‘em pregnant” -Bright guardian Akira 2018
Why did they have to ruin finleap
Sasha Minimoore He did grow at the end, and became a better cat.
@@blueskylark9965 true
Yeah Finleap was such a great cat then they had to ruin him!😤
well i think its bcuz SO MANY OF THE CATALITIES ARE THE SAME MY FAVE CHARACTERS ARE JAYFEATHER VIOLETSHINE (DURING DARKTAIL) NEEDLETAIL AND HOLLYLEAF BCUZ THEYRE INTERESTING TRIALS AND FAULTS MAKE A PLAUSIBLE INTERESTING CHARACTERS sorry yeah finleap was nice but o well XD
I really agree with this. Why did Violetshine need to be shown as pregnant? She and Tree _just_ met. I feel like it would've been more appropriate for her to just show up with some kits in book 1 of the next arc, like what happened between the first and second with Firestar and Sandstorm. And I really hope Twigbranch really has just gotten taller instead of being pregnant. As you said, it destroys the whole conflict of The Raging Storm if she's having Finleap's babies now.
I also want to say that even though I liked Moth Flight's Vision, I have to admit the kitting scenes did make me uncomfortable. I just hope there's not a particular writer who's making these scenes graphic on purpose...
Also, how do cats not know where these kits are coming from? Tigerheart was totally dumbfounded when Dovewing told him she was pregnant. He was like, "cool, who's the dad?, which kind of destroys the whole point of signifying that cats with kits are officially a couple. It sort of felt like he wasn't committed and just wanted to try her out, which isn't what I think the Erins wanted.
So true! I don't want Twigbranch to have kits because she had been fighting against it and then all of a sudden she just agrees to it? Seriously, why did she want to have babies NOW, after not wanting them. She said at the end of the book
"I don't want to have kits yet and I probabaly never will"(something like that)
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN SHE'S PREGNANT????
XD
I bet and this is my opinion please don’t hate me :<
I remember the Erins stated they couldn’t do LGBTQ ships because other countries would ban it.
Now this goes to my claim that the Erin’s will rush a shecat or tom to start a family because they don’t want their book banned.
Get it? Ivy pool for example was more manly then feminine (girly idk how to spell). In some countries they don’t want women to be independent so Ivy pool got put with fernsong a less manly tom. Hoping that it wouldn’t anger the people who believe in that stuff of manly men and girly women. Same here, violet shine seems to be one serious independent she cat. Then BOOM she pre gan tae! (Pregnant.) BOI same reason I think???????
@@ilikecats3687 When Tigerheart asked who the father was, i don't think he was being serious. He was just caught off guard and his brain was trying to catch up with the news. Even real parents get like that with big news. Your brain fritses out for a second and you ask dumb questions.
@@lobstercity9274 Also, It is never stated that Twigbranch is pregnant. When they say she's gotten bigger, they compare her to Squirrelflight, meaning they were saying she's taller and stronger. She's grown since Alderheart first found her. THAT'S what they meant. I don't get why everyone thinks she's pregnant now.
They are Wild cats, the live in the wild. not SPAYED and not NEUTERED??
This is what happens in the real world?
Why teach kids something untrue?
Ghost * / but the books aren’t meant to teach, and they’re hardly realistic. The cats are super humanized.
I’m not ever going to fix my animals when I grow up plus it’s warrior cats your very dumb
They're anthropomorphic. If Warriors was a documentary about feral cats it would be a whole other story. If you have issues with realism, I think you should take a closer look at how this is a society of cats with a complete language, relationships, and organized religion.
@Emily plays games Stuwe you should. Read about the importance of spaying/neutering cats. If you don't, your cat could have a litter of kittens that grow up feral or are put down. There are too many cats in the world anyway, and it's important to keep the population down. You'll understand eventually, but it's the best choice to fix them. For example, if you have a female cat, she could die giving birth/have health problems. Plus the feral kittens thing. Don't let Warriors make you think it's harmful to spay/neuter a cat. It's not. It's the safest option. Look it up and read about it, or watch a video.
@@strawberryspikes yeah but they still don't have protection
I really hate how Bluestar and Oakheart immediately do the snoo snoo the first time they meet in private
Yes finally someone who points it out. And the fact Bluestar is surprised to be pregnant… 🤦♂️
@@nacht_himmelreal
38 + 2 Weeks... PREGANANANT
I always felt like with most mothers, there was no emotional connection with thier kits,only when it was important to the story. I don't know, maybe there was and I just didn't see it.
Yeah
@@heatherheatherheatherandpe8102 Hey I love your username lol 💛❤💙💚
That's ture. Warrior cats seem to barely think of their parents :(
I read warriors starting when I was in second grade, and the birth scenes never phased me or caught my attention, I just kinda thought, “So that’s how kittens are born,” and moved on.
Same but I read warriors when I was 9 and I was also like “oh well that’s wonderful..” it didn’t bother me a bit but if I had told my mom…
Okay... They're anthropomorphized sure but like... They are literally not humans. They have human relatable traits, but they're still cats. This happens to cats.
And heck, have you ever watched older cartoons? Dark humor and veiled adult subjects are abound. They didn't scar children or damage them.
Also those couple paragraphs weren't graphic, not at all. Not even for a kid. Graphic would be detailed, not a couple of sentences.
Pregnancy.. wow there’s a video about it. Also Twigbranch..the name is just meh. Originally, it was going to be Twigshade. But, publishers decided it should be Twigbranch. *thanks Harper Collins*
I think Twig glow would have been a good name for her. Don't ask why, I just like it.
Well, this is what happens when you let publishers change names of characters. This shouldn’t happen honestly. It’s basically like writing an autobiography and the publishers changing your real name to another name just because they didn’t like it
Twigshade is actually kinda pretty
SpottedLeaf, the publishing world is kinda shady. They don’t care about if the book is actually any good, they just care about how many people buy it.
Hey arnt you dead
well thats not a notifcation you get very often
well thats not a profile picture you see very often
Dovley Artist i just saw this comment and i choked on air omg
@@suzannejaneroberts XD same with that seagull
I kind of disagree. I feel like warrior cats is a slight mix of realism and a chunk fantasy. I mean the way they age is still like real life cats. I know people don’t like it because of the anthro/human like qualities they have but they still age like cats not humans. Also (in my experience) the books are read by kids who are around that age where they learn about birth anyway in school. By the time I heard about warrior cats I was in middle school I know everyone’s experience with the books will be different though.
I have only read Warriors to halfway through The Omen of the Stars (because the latest book that has been translated to my mothertongue is The Last Hope and i haven’t even gotten around to read Sign of the Moon yet) but i’m going to respond to this nevertheless.
Honestly, I think that there’s little to no issue with young cats in Warriors being pregnant. While they’re anthropomorphic to some extent, they’re basically treated as adults when they become warriors or medicine cats. Even if the characters who got pregnant were not emotionally the most mature or were incompetent in their tasks, if they’re warriors, they’re basically adults, based on how they’re treated among the other clan cats and based on the fact that cats in real life aren’t considered kittens anymore when they get 1 year old. I see no issue in warriors or medicine cats who get pregnant when they’re still young adults and not emotionally as mature as older warriors, because they’re adults. Unexperienced young adult cat getting pregnant and having to take care of her duties as a warrior and her kits at the same time could potentially just cause more drama in the series, and that’s a good thing. Maybe her clanmates will think she just became pregnant because she thinks being a warrior is too much work for her and that she only wants to be lazily laying around in the nursery. Maybe her kits grow up with an unexperienced, possibly even straight up unintentially bad mother figure and have issues in the future because of it. Maybe she decides that she’s just not ready for raising kits and dumps them to someone else or to another clan. Many possibilities for different plot points!
With the main characters being bland and having little to no personality and that being a good thing, i have to disagree. I think one of the biggest faults in the whole series is protagonists being so bland that they could be replaced by any other character and there would be no difference. A character can be relatable and still have various, defining personality traits. It’s kinda lazy to just make a bland character ’’just so the reader could relate’’. Also, aren’t all the protagonists in main Warriors series kits at the beginning?
Of course pregnancy in real life is a big deal. But these are books. If an unexperienced young adult cat in Warriors gets pregnant, it creates more drama and situations than an experienced older adult cat getting pregnant, because the young adult cat is unexperienced.. Not everything has to be ’’this should be done like this in real life’’. Warriors shouldn’t be the thing that teaches life lessons to kids. It’s about cats killing each other and trying to survive in the wilderness. I doubt any kid starts thinking ’’oh i should also get pregnant when i’m a young adult even if i was unexperienced in life!’’ just because a cat in a book did so. Also Spiderleg and Daisy had kits. I doubt they did that to announce everyone they were in love. Wasn’t it heavily implied to be a one night stand?
So, Moth Flight gets pregnant when she’s a young adult medicine cat. Also, i think Raven Pelt isn’t saying ’’shes too young to know about having kits’’, i think it’s more of a ’’i think she’s not experienced enough to know how to raise kits’’. I was talking about drama before, and i think that Moth Flight sending her kits away because she thinks they’re getting in the way of her medicine cat duties is a great plot point. It brings drama. Dramatic things and plot twists keep the plot alive. Warriors is here to tell a story, not to teach you what to do if you become a doctor and have kids who are getting in the way of your job. The fact that she doesn’t care could be bad writing of emotional stuff or just her not caring. The characters in Warriors aren’t always the most emotional. It makes the characters bland. Squirrelflight told Ashfur she couldn’t be hurt by him killing Jayfeather, Lionblaze and Hollyleaf, because they weren’t her kits but her sisters’ kits. That’s kinda just how emotional stuff works in Warriors, even if it was bland.
Kids book include serious topics sometimes. Generally, kids that are old enough to read don’t really like media in which nothing serious ever happens. I loved horror stuff when i was a little kid. I hated stuff that was just happy fluff with nothing serious ever happening, even though i liked cute and positive things too.
You’re bringing Percy Jackson into this, showing us the cover of the Lightning Thief. The characters in the Lightning Thief are like 12 and in the latest books they’re 17. They’re kids/teenagers. Not adults. In Warriors, warriors and medicine cats are adults. Not kids or teenagers. Adults. Adults can get pregnant. We know for sure that in Warriors, the aging of the cats is very similar to real cats. Kits are less than a half a year old kittens. Apprentices are older kittens. Warriors are adults. There are no 40 year old cats in Warriors, because cat’s don’t live that long. Mousefur was considered an elder at the age of 10, and in real life, 10 year old feral cat would definitely be considered old. The aging of the cats is so clearly very similar to real life that i honestly am baffled that you don’t seem to notice it in the books. That sounded mean, and i’m sorry, but honestly. I have nothing against you, but this just so clear.
Kids know about pregnancy but in general kids who can read aren’t that interested in it. They don’t read Warriors just to read about pregnant cats. They read it because they think it’s interesting to read about feral cats surviving in the wild. And how do you think they should be bringing new kit characters to the books? Why would they not tell the reader that a certain cat is pregnant? It’s not wise to just say ’’oh a new kit, where did this come from? Cats don’t get pregnant haha no sir!!’’. Cats kill each other in these books. Cats are fairly realistic in these books (they for example hunt, get pregnant, smell the air for prey and mark their borders). It would be silly to just not include pregnancy in Warriors. That’s how new kits are born to the clans. That’s how we get new kit protagonists for future books.
Kids know about murder being a thing, too, and usually know something about mental illness too. Trust me, if we’re going to just erase topics of mental illness from kids books, it could potentially make mentally ill kids feel more alone. I wish there was more kids books in which mental illness is addressed. Maybe i wouldn’t have felt so alone as a kid with only a little knowledge on mental health. Censoring serious topics from kids books is dumb. Life isn’t always fun and positive and rainbows. Sometimes people have issues. Sometimes murder and violence happens. Sometimes pregnancy happens. Serious things have always been a part of kids books.
Cats get kinda high on catmint. Yeah. My cat does that too. Catmint isn’t harmful to cats. Every kid knows what catmint is and that it makes cats ’’high’’.
Making random side cats main characters suddenly is kind of a weird move. It’s kind of like making Connor and Travis suddenly main characters in Percy Jackson. They’ve always been sidecharacters. Making them more important characters wouldn’t be too weird, but making them protagonists would be. That’s how writing kinda works.
Protagonists being kits of characters you already usually know and love is a good way to continue the family line of the old characters and you can also see the kit protagonist grow to be an adult warrior and see the development right from the beginning. Also the parents of the main character are usually somewhat important characters as well if they were the previous protagonists, so you can see how they’re doing now. It’s a smart move.
Kids aren’t going to be traumatized by reading about cat giving birth in detail. Why would you censor that? There are kids who have seen or helped a cat give birth. It’s not that deep fam. Remember when in the Dreamworks movie Spirit, the horse mom gave birth to Spirit? Is that something that you think shouldn’t have been included as well?
Yeah, lowkey graphic description of cat giving birth. A bit of graphic violence etc in kids books is normal. Kids usually don’t care. It’s not a big deal.
’’No other book would get into detail’’ what? I mean, maybe in case of birth scenes, because there aren’t many kids books in which characters give birth, but in case of violence, even kids book can get kinda graphic. And you have said that you don’t like violence in Warriors either. So, did you only read Warriors as a kid, or just somehow didn’t stumble along other books in which violence is also a thing?
Not every relationship is good. That happens. Kids know it. Nothing new here.
Warriors is not that child friendly? What? Of course it is! It’s pretty standard lowkey edgy kids book material.
Pregnancy adds to the story because new kits to protagonists and good plot flow. Firestar and Sandstorm have Squirrelflight and Leafpool, who are interesting partly because they’re the kits of former main characters.
And that’s about it.
A+ good essay
I just really need characters who don't have kits. That's all I want. It gets boring having all the main characters be direct descendants of Firestar or Tigerstar. It was interesting, but we just need to drop it at some point and start fresh. Once Firestar died we sort of got that, but idk. I have a whole plot that I want to happen where the Clans dissasemble and most of them die off, and then the few that are left join together with an improved society without StarClan, where the Clans are united. (There's a lot more detail to this idea but I really want it to happen.) That got off-topic though. I just want there to be several main characters who don't have mates or don't have kits, or both. It's an annoying pattern at this point. I need it to mix up a little. I agree with some of your comment, but I also agree with Akira on a few points.
I was caught without cellular connection (so we couldn't look up what to do) at a farm while a cat was giving birth once and the only other person didn't know what to do like, at all. I obviously didn't have a great understanding and warriors isnt a great guide by any means, but my mind immediately connected the two events and allowed me to take control of the situation in a calm manner. I'm still thankful for that
@Blue that's really cool.
Wow i love this comment so much and couldnt agree more. Well... i did think the moth flight giving birth thing was a bit gross but thats it
It's funny how most of the protagonist's get someone pregnant or them pregnant.
Bristlefrost, you better run.
Rootspring, N o lol
I’m one of those 5 people who read the book. Yay?
Snowy Da fox Same!
I read it to XD
I can't read it because they are too lazy to write it in my language 😭😭😭
me too! but, even though i love the book, i understand why he mentioned it. it revolves too much around moth flight’s kits. in any case though, it's my favorite super edition (mostly because of how well-written micah was), and it is one of the only books that has made me cry.
Snowy Da fox I’m also one of those 5 people YAY
I used to love Finleap, he was the first character to EVER make me laugh at loud while reading a warriors book... But now, he just feels... Bad. I don't like him anymore. I wish I could erase that. I want to bring back the Finpaw I loved. :(
Honestly, when a protagonist's arc is over, I feel that it would be a whole lot better to let a more background character take the lead in the series. This would further add to an already existing cat's character, and expand on events that have already occurred from their perspective.
I mean, that would be so cool; to have a character we are all vaguely familiar with already expanded even deeper and their personality's and life given a heck ton more depth would be so interesting to read. Not to mention it would bring so much love to a character that was essentially ignored earlier and used as a plot device as nothing more than to go on patrols and to simply exist.
This also means that the Erins wouldn't have to take up as much time trying to create a character, since said cat already exists! In addition to this, the writers would also have more time to work on the story line as well, leaving a more believable story to be told.
I actually liked Moth Flight's Vision...
Me too...
Yea, and moth flight did care when she gave her kits away.
Stalker Cat I fckin *loved* Moth Flight’s Vision
Mystic Fox yeah idk why he said that... that was very cruel and exaggerate.
She didn’t throw them away for no reason, her clan needed a healer and there wasn’t enough time to train someone after her.
She had no help, and without help she couldn’t raise her kits AND be medicine cat. That, and people in her own clan weren’t all that capable at watching her kits anyhow.
Same...
I loved mothflight's vision! I do agree a little , she is supposes to represent a teen mom, Is what im sure of. That's the message I believe, I do love Moth Flight. The book suffered a little from a laid out story, though I wish they didn't scream " KITS KITS!" all the time. Warriors isn't really a kids book anymore that is, it is a teens book. My school didn't allow warriors until Middle school. I don't care about the pregnacy details, because if you dont like them you can skip them.
Dont take this the wrong way or anything, i just have a different opinion.
Eevee The nerdiest same I loved the book!
I agree on the skipping thing. After all, it is quite literally nature, and it's not exactly humans that are birthing, its cats.
i agree with this
The reason why they constantly get pregnant is probably because not fixed cats go into heat. Think about it.
Also, sure, the bloody warcult cats are definitely marketed towards children. You do realize that the books are either in the young TEENS section or the TEENS section. Teenagers aren't children. Infact, most of the entire fanbase are young adults or teenagers. Ever realized that?
And cats are induced ovulators, so every time they mate, they WILL get pregnant.
i praise you so much rn
yes!
I'm mean, I found these books and fell in love with them in Grade 2 so... XD
right
It’s funny how warrior cats is like
Spending time with mates=preggo
I agree with most of your points, but mothflight did care that she had to give her kits away, while it happens and after it happens you can tell she is heart broken, and she even tells the others not to have kits so they don’t have to give them away like she did. Other then that point this was great :)
i disagree there were several chapters after and only like twice does her heart feel pain for them
Pfffft forgot this comment existed.
@@Chai-the-Artist just poor writing. We can agree that was what she was SUPPOSED to feel
@@ManiacalBlueberry fair
i'm glad someone did a rant on this. it's just weird. the pregnancy in warriors is literally it comes by magic.
Like, Leafpool just hangs out with Crowfeather for less than a week and BAM! Children! I know the cat mating process (I'm not weird) and you CANNOT have children "accidentally."
Yeah well, if it didn't come by magic you'd still be complaining
@@lajjiggyjarjardoodurdurdur9607 i uh. well not really. it's a kid book and they wouldn't mention it, they just act like nothing happened and have no idea if they're expecting or not.
That's literally exactly what they do; they just can't mention it
nvm
BEFORE YOU READ: My point is to say that Adult Topics are okay for the age range that Warriors is marketed to, and that this stuff should be introduced at around that age range, as they are starting to hit puberty and such and should know about it.
I feel as if the pregnancy is perfectly fine. I imagine Twigbranch and Violetshine being around 20 - 25, which is considered young, and are blatantly acting similar to people around that age group. The whole Moth flight thing is about Teen Pregnancy and adoption, which is a topic that should be touched upon, so its completely fine to me. In my own book,I add Suicide, Drug Abuse, Parental loss, and knowledge of power and questioning the social norms, and ive been told that my warriors story is perfectly fine. I even have a character get burned alive and Milky's father Bumblestar(Stripe) is pressureed into suicide, and I've been told that its all fine. This ties in as saying that what i mentioned here is considered okay for audiences around 5 - 8 grade level (The Warriors age grouping), and i feel as if describing birth and teen pregnancy is frequently shown in books in the same level, and if the gorey stuff I include in my book is considered passing, Im sure there isn't anything wrong with the Teen Pregnancy. Ive heard from many that they are fine with a topic like this, so I feel as if its okay for the books to have that.
oof thats one big paragraph
Yeah you got that right
@Sarah Morey im too terrified to read what i wrote.
@Sarah Morey if my comment is anything from over 4 months ago its usually bad hot takes lmao
@Sarah Morey You sit on your chromebook in the middle of the night too? xD
@Sarah Morey fair enough xD
0:31 you're actually incorrect here. the books are meant to be about feral cats, not anthropomorphic cats. that's why warriors ocs aren't considered furries.
i do disagree with you here, cats sexually mature at ten months old (as you mentioned) and the warriors should be able to have kits after at least 6 moons of being a warrior in my opinion. but, we can agree to disagree. i respect your opinion :>
This comment is good and I agree with every part of it
Anthropomorphic refers to having any human characteristics. Talking is a human characteristic. Also, there are plenty of "feral" OC's within the furry fandom.
Bright Guardian Akira No lol. Anthro do not equal talking animals
@@BrightGuardianAkira
Incorrect~
Bright Guardian Akira although you may be correct on the whole speaking part, that doesn't make them fully anthropomorphic. anthro would be walking on two legs, having modern tech, etc. that's what makes a character anthropomorphic; an animal that does the exact same thing as humans, just being another species
Alternate title: BGA angrily explains the birds and the bees
Just like Bluestar’s Prophecy did
Mean there's been few good kitting relationships ,almost all young relationships go down terribly like crowfeather and leafpool having to separate due to the warroir code or Squirrelflight and bramblestar when they get in a disagreement about Hawkfrost and spend three books squabbling and Squirrelflight lying about jayfeather hollyleaf and lionblaze its unecessary only background charecters get good relationships like sorreltail and brackenfur the piece of cardboard
Edit:this is the most likes I've ever gotten thx guys!
Ivypool and Fernsong is cool
I see it as this... they’re cats. Animals don’t have a concept of marriage or any other human concept. The only reason they are given so human qualities is so the reader can understand what’s happening. They’re not walking on two legs and wearing clothes like some Disney animals. (Speaking of human concepts. If that’s the case, I believe the Lion King would be guilty of incest. Following animal logic/Lion pride behavior, Simba and Nala should be cousins...) Animals don’t have and don’t think of consequences like people do. The series can get dark, obviously. The pregnancy thing does make sense for cats... have you ever met an unfixed she cat, and had a Tom wandering the neighborhood/county? Cats can reproduce like crazy if not fixed. (I do think the capture and release idea would be interesting, but imagine trying to trap a bunch of cats... one of the most elusive creatures there is.) they’re displaying cat relationships... not humans. I do think animals grow attached to their mates, but not all animals. Some mate for life and have a deep bond, but I have not seen this in cats, and not many dogs. I don’t believe that the writers want them to act strictly human. Just enough for the reader to understand what is going on. If someone doesn’t like the way the books go, then just write a review and don’t read anymore. It isn’t for everyone, and if someone asks about it for a kid, don’t be rude, but you can give what you honestly think. There is nothing meant for everybody, because not everybody is going to like or agree with the same exact things. Sadly, my book set was stolen during a robbery, and I could not finish them all. I did enjoy what I did get to read though. Not the best series, but to me it was a decent one.
Twigbranch WASN’T pregnant
Bright guardian akira: *heck*
I really like pregnancy in warriors. Kids should know more about the topic and should be taught at a young age.
Lynn Somers I like it too!
While I understand your point there, most of the cats that are shown pregnant now (like Violetshine for example) aren't...adults. Or, in universe aren't. Violetshine had became a warrior not even a whole year yet from what we know, and we, as the viewers, didn't see much interactions with her and Tree (pulling a show, not tell). She ends up pregnant because...she had a few positive interactions with Tree so that means they are now a thing?
If that's the case...than that is like saying "hey, you just got out of high school, maybe not even...remember that kid you talked to and had some fun times with. Time to go and make a family with them!"
Or how about Twigbranch and Finleap? If Twigbranch really IS pregnant, than that is a really bad message to give to someone at a young age.
All the young cats now are having kits roughly around High School time if they were humans. That...isn't something I feel they should be reading about in their Cat Fantasy books.
Yeah I don’t mind the details, it’s nature and we shouldn’t be ashamed or grossed out at it.
If that stuff didn’t happen, you and I wouldn’t be alive.
But I agree with the Twigbranch and Violetshine stuff, they are going too fast with it now. It’s not as easy as: become a warrior, find a decent boy, BOOM BAM - children.
But why does every female main character either die or get pregnant? I had hope with Ivypool. (That’s down the drain) and hearing that Twigbranch but be pregnant is honestly a bit upsetting. Why does love have to always involve having lots of babies?
@@shinymarshies3735 to open up new protagonists...I guess.
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I do wish Ivy never had kids. She doesn't seem like someone who would...you know.
Am I pregegnent or am I okay?
4:30 Teen pregnancies, Boyfriends on the run, and doing drugs to get rid of the pain. What a lovely message!
Remember Bluestar’s Prophecy?
REMEMBER IN THE FIRST PAGES OF THE BOOK WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT SWIFTBREEZE (OR WHOEVER IT IS) AND BLUE KIT WONDERED (Where Do Kits Come From. Or however she said it)
I actually REALLY enjoyed Moth Flight's Vision. (There's literally zero Warriors books I don't like.)
Not even Spottedleaf's Heart?
@@brishtisengupta7180 I actually really enjoyed Spottedleaf's Heart, I had always wanted a stand alone about her :3 I honestly don't know what people don't like about it. Just the fact that the ship is bad doesn't make it a bad book, just a bad event in the storyline
@@LeafyBoy155 Well, it wasn't really just that the ship was bad, it just sort of felt like a cheap (and really dark and pedophilic) attempt to justify Thistleclaw being in the DF, because so many people were convinced he shouldn't be (at least, it felt that way for me). Another thing was that we again see another medicine cat forced into being one against their will. Spottedleaf was like the only TC medicine cat in recent Warriors history who didn't break the warrior code and actually wanted to be a medicine cat, but that was taken away too. There's other stuff too but I won't go into it, but this book is generally disliked in the fandom for a reason. However, if you like it, you should absolutely like it. To each their own.
@@brishtisengupta7180 ^u^ yeah, I do agree that the ship and theme was pedophillic. Buuutttt they are cats... age gaps don't make that much difference to animals. But like this video said, they are anthropormorphic, so we relate in a way we would with humans. And yeah, I really would have liked Spottedleaf to be pure and not be forced into being a medicine cat. But thank you ^•^ and I respect the people who don't like the book 😊
Same!
I sorta disagree because I think making main characters pregnant is a good way to get main characters if you know what I mean. Also, Warriors books usually are detailed so I like the fact that pregnancy is at least some what detailed and not boring.
As a kid, I knew the difference between anthropomorphic animal behavior and actual normal human behavior. I really liked these sense for their realism. Just an opinion/anecdote.
I actually started noticing that once a she-cat has her kits she totally could careless about her mate.
Today me and my friend were talking about Warrior Cats while reading The Power Of Three, and then I said to her: "Wait until the birth scenes." She was confused and so I said: "You'll see" and then I smiled creepily.
My theory/rant king.
these books are about feral cats that live out in the wild. they reach sexual maturity young, and have kittens frequently. in no way are these cats anthropomorphic. they can only have more cohesive thoughts. the writing team does not "exploit" anything. they include things in the books as they see fit. all warrior cats does is tell a story. they are telling the story realistically, and you cant blame them for it.
Twig: I don’t want kids
Fin: too bad...!
*gets pregante*
Twig: well shiat
“Alderheart wondered if she’d grown.”
So not only is she very young in maturity, she is expected to still be growing. Wtf.
*flashback of forest of secret at the chapter of silverstream giving birth*
If they can't have kits how are new characters supposed to be added in when the old ones die?
I'm pretty sure Moth Flight giving away her kits was because she couldn't focus on her medicine cat duties - not because they were in the way or anything, but because she couldn't stop worrying about them when there were other conflicts going on, which hurt her clan. She was very sad when she gave them away, but felt it was the right thing to do to be able to be a medicine cat. It has been awhile since I read the book tho so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anthropomorphism is quite a broad term when referring to 'anthropomorphic animals'. There are no guidelines or rules to set in place how many hybridized human traits can be mixed in with a generally animal character. The Erins never specified how mating age was to be laid out, and without any proper proof, facts and framework you cannot straight away claim that it is wrong for a cat to be pregnant at said age in the Warriors series. Plus, marriage and youthful pregnancy, however stated, is never perfect. Abusive relationships and bad choices exist, and Warriors captures that in certain points in the series. Plus, for every character to make the right decision when in a relationship would make them somewhat shallow.
I'd also like to cover that your review was also strictly opinionated, as whether pregnancy is an adult topic is very strongly debatable. Mind you, most kids learn about pregnancy at a younger age. I've witnessed my cat give birth when I was 6 or 7 years old while I had complete knowledge, and I'm sure millions of other kids have seen/heard of situations like that, if at an even younger age. With all that, I'd have to say I disagree with your overall viewpoint.
I was really afraid while reading Spottedleaf’s heart... I tought that Thistleclaw would get Spottedpaw pregnant.. *GOOD HE DIDN’T*
Not that your points are invalid, because I do agree with some of them, but Warriors is only marketed as a children's book franchise because talking cats don't really fall into any other demographic. It's true that unwanted pregnancies in these books are getting old, but none of these cats are sterile and it would be weird for a huge shortage of queens and kits to start. Cats grow up fast, and what with all the other clans starting battles, I feel like a clan would depend on relatively young pregnancies. I don't personally support it, but they might. Also the graphic nature of pregnancy and birth is a part of life and kids can live with it.
No one:
Erins creating leafpool wish: now, we have to distroy some childhoods and describe perfectly how a cat have her own kids, with EVERYTHING included :)
they're cats...........
Graphic kills = Nice!
Graphic birth scenes = OMG GROSS .
Imagine seeing 'pregnancy rant' in literally any other context
But dude, they are still cats. I mean i agree mostly with you. But even if they are like human, they are still cats.
I would just like to say that, in terms of how graphic the actual wounds, deaths, illnesses, and various other graphic portions of Warriors are, the birth scenes are actually fairly tame. They don’t go into extreme detail, only generally describing the newborn kits as being wet and the contractions as a similar visual to the cat in labor flexing their stomach muscles. In reality, newborn kits are generally extremely bloody looking and slimy, with the amniotic fluid being more goody than simply water. Also, there is an incredibly noticeable and pungent smell that comes with birth, and nothing like this is even remotely described in the books. While I do feel like the pregnancy in the books can be somewhat over-frequent, it’s far from being too graphic. Childbirth is practically the most natural part of life that there can be. Literally every living creature goes through it in some way, and it’s one of the few things that’s been happening to humans for thousands of not millions of years. If anything, the frequency and detail that is pregnancy and birth in Warriors can somewhat help to normalize these topics for kids, helping them to grasp a more mature understanding earlier than they might otherwise.
That was really long, but it was just something I felt like bringing up. I’ve had multiple cats of mine give birth to kittens, one had them in my closet, and I’ve witnessed human births as well and I feel like they shouldn’t be treated or viewed as something gross or disgusting, even if you’re a guy.
Akira : not for children
Me : uuuummmmmm
Pine grove elementary : sends out warrior cat books to 5 and 4 graders -
Me : YESSSSSS !!!!!!!
I've read it since 5th grade. I was comfortable with the pregnancies, I believe it might be because my mom was pregnant a lot when I was a child and I was pretty familiar with the concept of birth. I just never thought much about it, like, you fall in love, have kits.
While I agree on some of the points, I personally didn't see an issue with the way that cat birth was described. Honestly, I feel like it opens up a good teaching moment, as a curious kid may pick up the book, read this and later ask their parents about child birth. It normalizes a subject that tends to get glossed over. I do agree though that pregnancy does get thrown around willy nilly.
I think into the wild got it right. Just: this cat had kits! Yay! Let's visit them and welcome them to the clan!
Not: literally the entire birth in words.
I read moth flight's vision and liked it.
I’m going to read it
I don’t know I can’t agree with this video. I think the books are written for a more mature audience but unfortunately are marketed towards children which are two different things. Teenage pregnancy, drug abuse and unwanted pregnancy are very real issues that I can see translate into this story of humanized cats. However I do agree that it’s an annoying, overused plot device that ruins perfectly good characters. Not every character has to have kits and it’s a really lazy grasp at writing drama most of the time.
I checked the fandom wiki and didn't find any evidence of TwigBranch actually expecting kits. The quote might've referred to something else or the writers forgot the idea.
My mini rant is Umm... This is warrior cats. The entire 5 series (and side books) revolve around them being wild cats. And as everyone is saying there is A LOT of death. Therefore they need a lot of kits. Also, about how the main characters are always very young allow her to uphold a storyline without worrying about the cats getting unreasonably old and having 33 year old(cat years) wandering around.
anthropomorphic mean that it stands on two legs last time I checked the cats in warriors do not
Does anyone find it strange how the cats randomly get pregnant.
I know this was 5 years ago but yea, like take bright heart as an example, she was 17 moons when she got pregnant and she all she did was hang out with cloudtail
Mental illness is NOT an adult topic. I’ve been mentally ill since I was a very small child.
I think the most frustrating thing about pregnancy is it happens to important characters and the longer the series goes, the more pregnant cats there are, then the more background characters/clan members so deaths are more like a relief than an actual feeling. I still mourn Runningwind/Sootfur/Rainwhisker because, though they were minor, they couldn't go an entire series without being mentioned and I wouldn't notice. There are too many cats!
Some one on reddit said the thumbnail is fetish art 😑
Moth Flight cared when she had to give up her kids
So when Akira was saying so she just- he was gonna say sent the kits to four different clans, but a chick-fil- a ad came on I was laughing so hard.
*_Sometimes I just don't understand why people dislikes some videos_*